My ancestors were slaughtered in Africa, all of our wealth stolen, and we were blessed by being allowed into the USA without a penny to our name. Then, we got educated, worked our butts off, formed families, supported communities, and now we employ over 100 employees all over the world and give back to the USA. We are forever grateful and never forget how fortunate we are. All "Africans" in America should take note and stop trying to guilt people who never laid a hand on them to pay money they never earned bc many won't stop making destructive life decisions.
@@sistarkenyasue2078 - You are affected by the rebellious teen syndrom as an entire culture.. kick scream and cry that life is unfair. cry and cry at your daddy who is just trying to make you happy.. but knows that giving you everything you cry for is not how that works
Mike Benz : Who are the Africans in America most black Americans ancestors were already here so who are you speaking of?? The slave story left out the fact that blacks of America were also shipped out of the Americas also families broken up and shipped through out the Americas. My family is aboriginal to the Americas. America is an idea the land was inhabited before Spaniards and European colonization. My ancestors were murdered and enslaved on this very land. You can’t hide true history just have to dig. These monsters owe!!
As a born African, I feel these people who want to claim reparations (victimhood status) neglect to realize that we are capable people who don't need permission or help to bring ourselves to the table. This woman wears "Adrinka" symbols as earrings but does not represent the regal spirit of our ancestors who were proud Kings and Queens. They were not weak beggars needing scraps to show their worth. Our people can prevail regardless of their appalling disadvantages. Sadly this victimhood idea is prevalent in the west, and ironically this is where people have the easiest route out of poverty. But no, they wait to be carried to their seat at the table of utopian equality! In the west I notice many African-born blacks excel and elevate themselves and become very successful, while the majority of western-born blacks (not all, e.g. Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, to mention some notable ones) cling to some hope of handouts (reparations), and spend more time and focus on pointing out implied racism, and oppression committed by others(our ancestors ) to others (also our ancestors). I'll leave you with this scenario that I liken to..... Imagine you are on a 1000km journey in a vehicle. You are not the original owner (they have passed on). The vehicle breaks down at the 500km mark.there is a toolbox, a service manual for that car and enough provisions to survive a 200km walk. The closest town is 500km away. Would you: A) Start walking and hope some passer-by will save you? B) Blame the original owner, wait for some saviour, eat all the supplies? And 'IF' you got saved, you would seek damages from the original owner's descendants? C) Use the tools and service manual to learn to repair the vehicle whilst nourishing yourself sparingly. or D) Do Nothing and eventually starve. Most Africans born into poverty who are fortunate enough to escape to the west, would do A)or C) in my opinion. Again in my opinion, most Western born blacks would opt for B), C) or D). What these answers represent to me are: A) determined, uneducated, survival B) Reparations based entitlement C)determined, educated survival D) complacent ignorance. I hope this is not seen as offensive to anyone as it is not intended as such. And lastly I send you PEACE! You are my neighbor and regardless of your race, religion sex or any other defining characteristics, I love you in the same way that I would hope you love me! PEACE.
Well stated. And agree 100%. I've visited east Africa for three weeks last year. I only met nice, humble yet proud go-getters. We've become spoiled here in the US.
You Africans are a disgrace to the Black race. But then it was you that sold us to the yt man to begin with, so it makes sense you are still this lost.
I visited Kenya and Tanzania years ago with a group of college students, for biology and another group searching for their roots. At the end of the 6 weeks, a professor from Nairobi rose and addressed the group, thanking us for participating in a 2 week safari and 4 weeks in classroom (everyone had to pay their way) but he said, 'now go home. You are Americans. We love having you visit, learn the language, eat our native foods, but let's not forget, you've not been here for 100s of years. Your home is America.' What he was politely saying was none of us who came to learn had a claim to Kenya or anywhere in the continent of Africa.
And I feel that you have NOT been paying attention to when We tried and did so. But what came next to All of Our Pull Yourself Up From Our Bootstraps with the Black Panthers the Move Project and Black Wall Streets where EVISCERATED by guess who? NOT to mention We started EVERYTHING Math Medicine Culture Agriculture Etc. And THINK for a moment WhY can't We get along Please solve that part It is rather OPPRESSIVE (keyword) And it's obvious You have NO idea of how they've pitted Dark Skin folks against each other. Brown folks is doing what they can to build but the system isn't making it easy Nuff Said Inc. ✌🏾
Reparations is not about slavery or justice, it's about money. It's simply entitlement, victimhood mentality, and abusing the race card. Unless they were born into slavery or parents were slaves in America, they are as much an American citizen as you or me. They also have the freedom to go to Africa if they feel compelled. But they don't because it's actually about $$$.
Next debate: should the modern day nation of Turkey pay reparations to Eastern European countries for the for conscription of Christian boys in the Janissary regiments
Ppl quick to bring other issues when we on deck lol. Jews, Japanese, Mexicans, Irish ext.. got their day in court but us, and its coming. We made America trillions of dollars that allowed other countries and the world to get rich..
Joel 3:6-7 Solomon 1:5 1. Slavery was legal. You don’t retroactively enact punishment. 2. America’s wealth came from the industrial revolution because it aloud for greater profits. 3. The depression and Great Depression of the early 1900’s eliminated 90% of that wealth the world over. And most western nations had to start from practically scratch after WW2. 4. The vast majority of “white” nations were not involved with colonialism. 5. Most of the white population in America Immigrated after slavery was abolished. 6. You’re just a racist who doesn’t want to take responsibility for their own life and choices. FYI there are more white people living in poverty than the total amount of black people (rich or poor) living in the US. But somehow your tiny racist brain thinks they have privilege.
You were never a slave and I never owned one and neither did my ancestors. My family were dirt farmers from Ireland and Wales. Do I get money from England because of the past now? No, I do not.
@Un Bothered Sure, we can open another thread about black people and making sure that every black person specifically pays reparations to the descendants of whoever their ancestors conquered, destroyed or similar.
@petoz2 Just remember you will die one day and your previous comment is how you'll be remembered by many on this platform. I'm assuming you'll say the same things to the descendants of Jews who died within the concentration camps? Or think the Brits who died in the world wars were weak too? Have some humanity and think before you speak. If you were to say this to me face-to-face I would have no issue putting you in hospital!
R Eastman it’s not that simple. It wasn’t a war for one. It was a classic example of African’s not being united that led to slavery. Europeans (and Arabs) just happened to come at the right time to exploit the various African Tribal disputes for their own means. Africa hasn’t really been truly conquered like the Natives in North America and Australia. Lastly, no historian will disagree that to have a truly global empire you need Africa and its resources.
Nate Dogg those African slaves were from other tribes that lost wars with other African tribes, hence they became enslaved via losing battles by larger stronger African tribes and kingdoms, those African empires then traded ppl for guns etc with Europeans and Arabs, slavery has been a part of human history since the beginning, slavery is just free labour in reality, some worse than others of course, in end, it was white men who had to force African leaders to stop slave trading human beings and even embargoed so it’s not all bad
First speaker: 10 minutes of historical facts which are horrible to hear but not one single reason that reparations should be paid. Second speaker: first 10 sentences give multiple (obvious) reasons that this is an unworkable and somewhat ridiculous idea.
Hell, Blacks are THE most racist group in America, according to EVERY group polled, INCLUDING Blacks themselves. When they can cut it out, I'm sure others will too.
@Neach ie the ONLY people who deserve reparations are the enslaved people themselves. The beggars in this video are simply trying to profit from the pain of those people.
Not going to happen in my family. My mum is white and my dad is black. Therefore half my family are white and half my family are black. I’m mixed race and my husband is white. My kids are white. They have blond hair, blue eyes( exept for my daughter. She has green eyes), they look European. They have no “ black features “. I hope that all members of my family wouldn’t make their decisions based on race or colour. My white members of my family don’t stick together because they’re white. Just as the black members don’t, just because they’re black. Those that are mixed race in the family don’t stick together just because we’re mixed race.
@@TootsieRoll991 Think about it...if you target people for their race, they'll be defensive. That wouldn't mean they're racist. They would be defending themselves against racists.
These people are full of sh*t. If they were to see my kids...white, blond hair, blue eyes, daughter has green eyes though, European features, not black “ black features”... they’d blame them for and expect reparations from them. Not knowing that my dad ( their grandad): is black Jamaican and a descendant of slavery. Therefore that makes MY kids a descendant too. Do my white kids also get reparations? As I said... they’re full of sh*t!
As a Syriac living in the Levant, I want compensation from Saudi Arabia and Turkey for the monstrous genocidal rebels and armies killing millions here.
Debate: Mongolia must pay reparations to Europe for Genghis Khan. Debate: Palestine must pay reparations to Italy for the Byzantine empire. Debate: France must pay reparations to France for the Frankish barbarian kingdom. Debate: Everyone owes money to the Jews for 2000 years of persecution.
Debate: Italy must pay reparations to Britain for Conquest. Debate: Italy must pay reparations to Greece for their Conquest. The cycle is never-ending.
Debate : israel should be prosecuted in international courts for its constant violation of human rights, ethnic cleansing, illegal settlements, illegal annexations, death of thousands of Palestinians chikdren women and men, restricting access to basic necessities such as food, healthcare, water and electricity to the Palestinians, destruction of Palestinians settlement, schools and health care centers amongst many others
@@Skinhound just "Let's acknowledge the past and move forward" is a beautiful thought, but nobody except the most saintly of us actually lives by that in our daily lives. Which is why the law doesn't work that way either. It would be a perfect world...for psychopaths to take advantage of the rest of us
This is it! How so many people can miss this point, astounds me. If you want to be great, go after greatness! Don't waste time uncovering and explaining why it might be that that you think you're not great yet! Smh. Anyway thanks for this post!
Well, anyone could pick his "favorite" part of the history and demand reparation payments. Imagine American natives suing US and Canada, Israel suing Persians, S. America suing Spain and Portugal, Africa suing the world, Africans suing each other, W.C.E.Europe suing Turks, Italy suing Hungary, Egypt suing Greece, Greece suing Turks, Arabs suing Europe, S. America suing US, China suing Japan, Aborigines suing Australia, E.Europe suing Russia, India suing Pakistan and UK, Mexico suing US, Vietnam suing US...... A lot of fun.
Japanese Americans got paid reparations in the 90s, Native Americans were given land and avoid taxation (although still go through horrendous discriminations), Jewish people got Israel!... General William Tecumseh Sherman issued military orders to confiscate 400,000 acres of Southern land and to divide it into 40 acre parcels for 18,000 freed slaves to settle. Right after Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson repealed that act, and instead Andrew Johnson granted amnesty to most former Confederates and allowed the rebel states to elect new governments WHO THEN enacted black codes and measures designed to control and repress the freed slave population, such as requiring voters to be able to read and write, which they were DENIED to do as slaves. 150 years later and people think to themselves "It was so long ago..." "Why should I pay for people that didn't directly suffer from slavery" "I wasn't a slave owner"... yet people DO suffer the effects of these past sins... If you are born white, you are more likely to be born into a two parent family, with more wealth, and more educational and economic opportunities than black people. This has been designed... I don't get why people who aren't black are so opposed to reparations, as if its reverse racism. Black people still suffer from the effects of slavery, segregation, being denied loans post WW2 for homes (owning real estate is the #1 factor in determining generational wealth alongside stock market investing). Now we see the wealth inequality is atrocious, the hyper policing, the harsher sentencing, the 5 year minimum sentence for possessing 5 grams of crack compared to 5 year mandatory minimum for possessing 500 grams of cocaine (which population uses crack the most?) despite being the same drug. People think its unfair for black people today being paid reparations. Well is it fair that you don't reap the benefits of your ancestors work? Is it fair that the people that DO benefit are the same color of the people that have oppressed and still oppress you? That is what's disgusting, the same people that oppose reparations are the same people that have benefited from institutionalized slavery and racism, and can't stand to see justice be served. As if it's UNFAIR. HA... UNFAIR YOU SAY? THE IRONY...
Yes there is a lot of injustice in the world. But arguing that everyone is guilty of something therefore there should be no reparations just makes you sound insensitive. I get it Europeans are guilty of a lot. I don't know if it is greed or if power just corrupted them but I do know that progress at any cost is a white value. Capitalism is a dangerous unsustainable ideology that has led to many wars in history. If we want to change anything we will need to become kinder and love our neighbours as we love ourselves.
@@adamgrimsley2900 No proof. All opinions. I just have a habit of stating them as facts. It's just my experience that white people are more ambitious and drawn towards power and that they generally don't care what the cost is.
"The age of guilt is over, we will not apologize for our achievements, our history cannot be used as a weapon against us, no-one can say they have legitimate claims on us -- we are in debt to no-one. Our glorious past is a matter pride and joy to us, whatever we have done in the past only inspires us today for even greater deeds tomorrow. Those who feel that we have wronged them should be happy they are still alive. "
@@thehandoftheking3314A very small percentage did that. And most who bought slaves were actually buying family members to get them free. Africans were not the orchestrators of chattle slavery and that's FACTS. If you can name an African who directly benefited from slavery I'll be interested to document that. Do you have that information?
Let's make a deal. Reparation payment for any and all blacks who give up their citizenship in any western nation and return to Africa. It would be expensive in the short-run, but ultimately pay-off. Every western nation would be way better off, getting rid if it's forever complaining, no ambition, non-contributing, free-loaders in the long run. Any who chose to stay and refuse the reparation payment, would be just the opposite and would be better citizens. Getting rid of all the loosers and keeping the best. Let's make reparations happen.
You're a idiot. Learn how the world works. No gives foreign aid out of the 'content of their character'. They do it. To win goodwill and grease palms to win contracts.
Then blacks should also pay reparations to Koreans for the LA riots that destroyed thousands of Korean businesses. See how quickly this thinking can revolve into everyone owing everyone reparations for our ancestors?
What caused the riots? “The blacks”experienced more than the destruction of their businesses. There is no comparison? This has nothing to do with Koreans, but in fact FREE LABOR!
Yeah sure let’s add up the damages from both sides and see how much the Koreans still owe the black community. I’m sure black people wouldn’t care either way because the government owes them generations of wealth that IS being stolen and has been in many different ways in the past. The fact that people like you (who aren’t educated well in black history) use this deflective language towards an oppression that literally shaped the world we live in currently is the very reason we are separated today! Descendants and congress need to take responsibility by aiding the black community and learning more about African Americans because we are more similar than different. We deserve the same quality of life.
@@TootsieRoll991 oh but gladiatorial slavery and genocide by Rome is okay? Go bother Europe, they might actually pay up. Are the slaves used as house servants getting the same reparations as chattel? Are African Kings going to pitch in since they benefited? What you most miss is any government that gets the power to fix perceived debts in the manner you think of will also have the power to make slaves of others. But that is probably your hope.
Blacks like Madam Tinubu captured their own people and made a mint selling them as slaves to the entire world. Blacks do indeed deserve reparations from Africa!!!
Yup, but the money payed to the slave owners, is still around, and nicely multiplying over time for there descendants....helping widen the gap between the poor and the wealthy, funny how well you can track the money even back to David Cameron’s family, I believe they received £4,101.00 back in the late 1700s (approx 3 million in today’s money)....
It's a strange thing to say that a group of people who had nothing to do with the crime, should pay another group of people who were not the victims - just because of their skin colour. Especially when the crime was over a hundred years ago.
I think most people would agree redress would be appropriate for same generation and also next generation, feel really unsure/both ways about third generation later, by fourth generation and later be firmly opposed-and that common set of belief makes a lot of sense. Debt does not completely end right after an injustice but it can diminish after more and more and more time passes away from it.
@Zamolxis Considering I haven't changed any tactics, and I'm certainly not involved in any slavery, financial or otherwise - no, the question isn't rhetorical. Is the answer a secret?
@Zamolxis Ahh, so 'you' then is anyone who lives in a successful modern country, regardless of skin colour. That's a pretty big 'you' to be hurling around. Dunno about all the might makes right and weird slavery accusations, but I do enjoy life, so there's that I guess.
well I think the idea is not to do that, but rather pay people who have been harmed today by slavery's legacy, from the pockets of those who benefit today from slavery's legacy. I'll be the first to admit that this idea cannot be perfectly executed, but that's the idea.
Nonsense. Arab slave traders were selling Africans to the Egyptian pyramid builders and throughout the Middle East all the way to India. This only intensified when Arab slavers became Muslims, spreading wherever Islam triumphed. But what about the many Kings of Africa who enslaved fellow Africans by the millions. All such slaver nations/peoples/races should pay reparations before anyone things about what the West might "owe."
Slavery has existed since the beginning of mankind. Every race has been affected. There is still modern day slavery that is the most prevalent in Africa. This is insane. You just want to pick and choose what benefits you.
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States."
Before we even get started on the African transatlantic slave trade, first the Irish need reparations from Iceland. Every person of Norse Icelandic descent must pay every person of Irish descent. It's only fair.
so your argument is what? Should we not punish a murderer because people have been and still are murdering people all over the world? Justice is too complicated so fukit?
Oh so because it was done to you it’s ok that it was done to someone else?? Ok, I see you’re reasoning there…👀 I’m honestly beginning to think that a lot of rascist people like to abuse black people because otherwise they’d be fighting amongst themselves. All that hate has to go somewhere…such warlike people!
@@no1ladyj69 No, it's not okay. But I don't care about your ancestors more than I care about my own. Don't forget that slave owners were rapists. People descended from slaves are more likely to be descended from slaver owners than anyone else is. I know for a fact than none of my ancestors from the time of the Atlantic slave trade were slave owners, but if you are descended from enslaved Africans, you are also descended from slave owners. How do you pay reparations to yourself?
@@jacobmecrob5185 As long as its factual and fair. After all Jews have always represented a small percentage of the population. Their involvement was minimal.
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States."
@@ninnikins4768 Actually your African ancestors sold you and if not to the Europeans they would have sold you to the Islamic Arabs or would have kept you as a slave in Africa. Either way you were going to be slave. But if you were sent to the West you would not be castrated and in Africa they fought the British and the Americans to keep the slave trade.
Blown away by Katharine Birbalsingh's beautiful, thoughtful comments - which are now making the rounds on social media so they are finally getting the credit she deserves. I wonder why her remarks were not included in the "key moments" selected by Intelligence squared...?
They failed to answer the most important questions - Why is someone living today who was never a slave entitled to profit from the pain and bondage of a distant ancestor? Why is a debt owed to someone who did not suffer simply because of a bloodline?
@mo leahy Why is someone living today who have ansestors profited by inflicting pain and bondage on slaves be entitled to the profits of this. Just because of their bloodline?
@@appleyemma1 That's an argument for specific descendants of slaves going after the specific descendants of the slaveholders. There might be a case for that. But that's a very different argument than the one being put forward for reparations from the federal government.
Why is someone living today still enjoying the benefits of slavery .There are no slaves left .Yet generational wealth from slavery still benefits white people . So whites keep all the benefits of a system set up for them by the United States government . And blacks people didn’t benefit one bit from slavery . How in the hell do you think white people have majority of wealth .Not to mention generational wealth . Make it make f- cking sense .
Why should i pay for something i had nothing to do with and i am against? That is what you need to explain perfectly but you ignore this completely, that is the one question which has any relevance what so ever yet it is the question you never touch upon. Not to mention you are all ignorant about history, every single caucasian who lives today has ancestors who were black. So how far into history should we look? What is your arbitrary number of years? Which countries have ended slavery? Where does slavery still exist to this day? Also perfectly ignored, you arent suited to debate whatever you should eat toast or not.
1just because you personally didn't have anything to do with slavery doesn't mean you didn't take on the debt if or when you became an "American" citizen. 2 this is a debt for a country(America) not any specific persons - we pay taxes right now for things none us agree with yet we pay them so wether you want to or not doesn't have any standing This is the point all of these debates miss Also native black Americans those descended from American slaves ... "America" are not to be compiled into a group with those that are actually from the African continent or any ethnic group with heavily melinated skin and their home countries. This is happening this is why pole like you are so confused ADOS101.com If you can check out From Here to Equality
M Bryant Soooo are you gonna pay yourself reparations since you're an American citizen yourself? Or maybe perhaps you should take up the notion of "reparations" with Africa. Seeing as how blks sold other blks into slavery. Something they're *STILL* doing right now? 🤔🤔🤔🙄
Without the British Empire slavery would still be practiced and endorsed by nations all over the world to this very day. Britain enforced the ban on slavery with her power from the wealth empire created, so arguably Britain partaking in the trade has saved millions of lives and I don't even think that's a stretch to say that.
Britain did not abolish slavery was not for the good of the African people, it was to remove other countries competitive advantage. They along with much of Western Europe still had colonies around the world where people were treated to a live of servitude, starved, brutalised, had limbs amputated. etc. etc. There was no magic off switch for slavery, it simply changed form.
Actually the earliest abolition movement in the UK was started by Africans who were educated enough to EDUCATE the British public about slavery in the first place by writing books, lecturing, articles, this outreach reached a certain man William Wilberforce( a white man) who had access to parliament so the Sons of Africa ( African Abolition movement) pressured him to go to parliament to end the slave trade but even after the end of slave trade, the British would still go on to have wars in native land, made threats with bombardment, tax the natives and became a huge pest when it came to politics.
@@yousefhakbir1561 Ffs, can we not post this unsubstantiated bulshit piblically? Your ignorance of history doesn't give you carte blanche to intvent things to suit your delusion.
@@sizwenyuka4739 You remunerate people for crimes that were directly committed against them. Those people are all dead, and you can't tell a whole group of people to go and do this one thing for some other group of people. Both groups are full of people who had nothing to do with slavery, and many people who would receive benefits didn't suffer from slavery at all. Reparations have been given out totaling in the tens of trillions over the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries and those social programs are there for anybody to access. Reparations doesn't even make sense as an idea because you *cannot* EVER hope to "repair" the heinous crimes of centuries of slavery with a couple checks. Just give people what they deserve - freedom. If they need some help getting on their feet that's fine but there's no reason to just arbitrarily favor one race of people over the other.
@@superdog797 I presented a speech against reparations and my closing sentence was exactly this but I didn't put the now at the end. I lost a lot of friends that day in class.
oh then i guess paying the descendents of the so called holocaust is too late now or the slave owners or france who extorted haiti for years after there masters died. sounds like u want to change the rules when it comes to blacks
@@NoMoeMistaNiceGuy lol... yeah I know all those texts from European scholars who talk about learning in Eqypt, the history of crusades showing the West being bested by the Middle East continuously and the constant desire to find new trade routes to India... offer no context clues for you.
@@JNUMusic how is any of that proof that Europe wasn't advanced? I'd still rather be a woman in Europe in the year 1400 than in the middle East. Even with all the rights afforded by the prophet Muhammad. Africa, tribalistic, nomadic. Still prefer Europe. I guess seeing that the ruling elites had great intellectuals is your definition of advanced. Maybe you're right.
@@NoMoeMistaNiceGuy if European scholars needed to go to Africa to get educated, warfare/politics of the world were dominated by the Ottoman Empire and trade dominated by Asia with the Middle East being the middle men.... it doesn't really matter what you prefer. The evidence points to Europe lagging behind until they got gunpowder from Asia & slaves from Africa. Sorry.
Was there no polling done at the beginning and end? That's one of the things that sets IQ2 apart from other debates. What did the audience think going into it and who had the bigger impact at the end? Did I blink and miss something ?
@@antikokalis I wish somebody would tell me what I need to do on my own platform 😂🤣 you should be blessed you able to even have electricity to even insult me lmao be grateful bc ik u don’t pay bills
Of course!! Who else do they think would pay!! It's ALWAYS our fault..funny they NEVER mention the North that didn't own slaves who fought and died for THEIR freedom..But then again I'm sure they will find some " selective " history saying that's wrong
_You’re_ not “giving” anything. You have to have it to give. Your government will simply reallocate the resources that it already misuses. _You_ will continue to pay taxes and you will continue to have _zero control_ of how that money is arranged, invested, otherwise utilized. Business as usual. Don’t be dense.
@@21stcenturymuse27 *Yes, "The West" is just another racial code word for todays racists (the Social Injustice Warriors are todays worst, most rancid, racists).*
"The west" is an old concept going back to the division of the mediteranean world between orthodox east and catholic west. nowadays it generally refers to westen/northern europe and Anglo-north america aswell as AUS/NZ and depending on definition also latin america. Samuell huntingtons definition for example is a popular definition if your interested
The 3rd speaker said Arab's didn't need to pay as they have done enough. Does anyone know what they have done? As recently as 2003 a leading Saudi Cleric suggested slavery should be allowed.
Black on black slavery still exists in parts of Africa today but you'll never hear this guy talk about that as it doesn't fit with his weaponisation of victimhood.
@@mayanksaboo8045 No I won't, because it represents some of the dumbest thinking in the history of mankind. I am Irish, so ancestors faced genocide that wiped out most of the population, and extreme poverty, we were treated terribly by the west, but apart from that how are you going to trace everyone's relatives? What are you going to do for Jewish people who were probably treated the worst in history by having millions slaughtered, or how about people of mixed race? so the reparations thing falls apart very quickly under the slightest deconstruction
@@shughy1 Germany did pay reparations to an extent. Just because you don't understand how it can be calculated, doesn't mean it can't be done. If people can reap the benefits of slavery and genocide, they can pay for it as well.
@@mayanksaboo8045 You're very foolish to be taken in by such ill thought out ideas, they use terms like white privilege even though the Jews were treated even worse than anyone and the Irish too, that's how stupid these groups are. Educate yourself about history please, before latching onto the latest trend that makes you look virtuous to your friends, it only makes you look a bit dim.
@@mugimbaraymond2089 You missunderstand. My comment was in reference to how they conducted themselves personally and professionally not their opinions regarding the debate.
According to Yale historian David Blight, “by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.”
Professor Sandy Darity Jr.-a leading economist and premiere scholar in the area of American reparations- and Dania Frank have illustrated using the work of Vedder, Gallaway and Klingaman, the gains in wealth to white southerners from ownership of blacks in 1859 was $3.2 million. In today’s dollars, the value of that debt is estimated to be somewhere between $5 to $10 trillion dollars, depending upon the interest rate used for compounding purposes.
In his book, American Slavery, American Freedom, the historian Edmund Morgan concludes that slavery was not a contradiction of American freedom, but rather that slavery was the institution that made white freedom possible. In other words, slavery was not a mistake so much as a precondition for a societal hierarchy which requires descendants of slaves to remain a bottom caste and be made to suffer the necessary failures of a brutal economic system. This was followed by a Jim Crow-era that saw #ADOS become actual contagions that lead to a destruction of wealth; through federally-supported, discriminatory practices like redlining, black presence literally made wealth disappear in communities, all while American whites-and more recently, immigrants- enjoy advantage in a land of apparently equal opportunity that was in fact manufactured on the back of black failure.
@@tonyheard391 Your descendants will owe my descendants for not being accepted to colleges or getting jobs despite superior qualifications and also for my descendants paying exorbitant social welfare payments to your descendants while being told how everything was just given to my descendants because of their skin color.
In 1492 America most definitely did not have slaves, America also didn't have white people. Christopher Columbus may have stepped foot on the south american lands but never put a foot on a shore of north America. Slaves were not stolen from Africa by Americans they were enslaved by thier own people who then sold them to rich land owners in America. Only 20% of Americans owned slaves and at the time of the civil war not one republican owned a slave. Republican vehemently opposed slavery and started to abolish it in the north in 1775. Before American was technically a sovereign nation. The civil war was fought mainly between the slave owning Democrats in the north and south and the anti slavery Republicans. America was the first to abolish slavery, leaving slaves whom descended from enslaved ancestors whom were enslaved before they came to America and had they not been they for the most part would be in subsaharan Africa, in poverty unparalleled by anywhere else in the world, where every other person is affected by the hiv epidemic, bouts of Ebola, rebel militias, ruthless gangs and weak government's who suck all the wealth from the precious resources in that continent for themselves leaving most of the citizens in a race against time to not die, women to not be repeatedly raped captured and forced into marriage or sex work, little boys weilding ak47 killing each other over diamonds they can't even legally sell in the global market. Panning for gold only to make little to nothing if found yet paying a price for not finding any. I hate to sound like a cold hearted bitch but the more I hear Americans get lambasted and accused of crimes and told I should be made to pay for said crimes the more I feel inclined to tell the truth and also make it a point to say that the slaves who got to come to America pay a price to have kids grand kids great grand kids great great grand kids and so on be brought up in the greatest country the richest country the freest country the world has ever seen. They are lucky by every means and stretch of the imagination when compared to those still suffering terrible brutality and disease and crime and yes slavery in thier home countries..... Your welcome
Right on!! I learned something from this debate..NO white person has ever been enslaved..No NEVER!! Not even our ancestors!! You know us white people NEVER ever had any troubles including our ancestors..of course they don't want to hear history or truth if it doesn't help them get free money..I meant reparations Hahaha
Had there not been slavery, those claiming to have legitimate grievances would not have had families in the United States at the time of slavery. Therefore, in order to restore them to what likely would have transpired - as the pro reparations side is advocating - the correct action would be to established the aggrieved families in the African nation from which their families came, and give them the average amassed fortune of the current inhabitants of these those countries. Slavery was/is horrific, but every descendant of American slaves that currently lives in America is FAR better off than their distant cousins and their families who remained in Africa. If reparations seeks to restore “what likely would have been,” it certainly wouldn’t be improving their current American lifestyles.
Exactly they are far better off, if they want reparations they should receive it when they have been repatriated back to Africa. You can't have your cake and eat it.
@Un Bothered There is how many people in Africa still? How would it of made it better if they stayed, what would they have done different that would of made Africa better?
Everything Katharine Birbalsingh said, every historical fact she spoke, was ignored by the two on the left, and many in the audience, as if she wasn't even there. “The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident, which everybody had decided not to see.” - Ayn Rand Aristotle said: "Humanity is divided into two, the Master and the Slave." And all races, without exception, were on both sides of that divide. The greatest injustice, when it comes to the social and historical perspective of slavery, is how it's taught. Due to a concerted and successful effort on the Left, that has thoroughly saturated our MSM and academia, the only people who should be given the greatest credit in ending the practice are instead the only ones being held solely responsible for it. The speech presented by the honorable woman about the true history of slavery and the critical role played by Western Civilization in its abolition highlights a deeply concerning issue. Aristotle's division of humanity into masters and slaves serves as a poignant reminder that slavery has been a universal blight on all races and cultures. Yet, the current narrative, heavily influenced by leftist ideologies and perpetuated by the mainstream media and academia, has unjustly placed the burden of guilt solely on White Western Civilization. It was Western Civilization and the white-created Abolitionist Movement in Europe, spurred on by a White Western Christian philosophy within the contemporary social politics of the basic rights of Man (i.e., life, liberty, and self-determination), that was the first catalyst to end slavery in most of the world, with full emancipation here in America, at the cost of over 700,000 mostly white men and boys, buried in the ground. Such was the cost of black Freedom. The butcher's bill paid in MY white ancestor's blood. The purposeful removal of this reality from the public's conscience, and the selective historical teachings which ignore it, overlooks the monumental efforts and sacrifices made by white abolitionists and Western societies to eradicate slavery. As a descendant of a White Italian officer of Garibaldi's Red Shirt volunteers who came to America after the Emancipation Proclamation specifically to fight to free blacks from slavery, and who led a black regiment (39th U.S.C.T., United States Colored Troops) at the battles of Petersburg (including the Battle of the Crater) and was killed after the Battle of Ft. Fisher in 1865, the narrative becomes personal. The legacy of such sacrifice is overshadowed by a contemporary focus that disregards the contributions and losses of white individuals and instead perpetuates an agenda that seeks financial reparations. This agenda is supported by a segment of the black community and opportunistically exploited by the Democrats and their mass media allies. Despite this honorable woman presenting a thoroughly truthful history of slavery, in which every race played the role of both slave and owner, with Western Civilization making the pivotal and indispensable effort toward eliminating its practice at the bloody cost of hundreds of thousands of White lives; the self-serving opportunistic parasites, grievance exploiters, predatory race baiters, and perpetual social Victimists of the black community sitting on stage and in the audience, maintained a willful disinterest and apathy. Their total lack of interest in her well-researched facts demonstrated a race-based prejudice and a steadfast commitment to their anti-White narrative. This clearly manifests an agenda-driven stance, characterized by selective hearing and a blatant dismissal of historical truth, seeking only financial reward for those who were never slaves at the expense of those who were never slave owners because of a deep-seated racial animus built on resentment, nurtured and exploited for decades by the Democrats and their mass media.
Yes, the agenda is repair for those who are descendants of US chattel slavery. This idea that the debaters IGNORED Berbalsingh's historical recount, instead of engaging in the debate, the whole reason why they were on the stage in the first place, is demonstrative of your victim mentality needing to reduce your paltry defense as being picked on. It was not their job to shake their head and agree with everything she said, their job was to defend their position that reparations should be paid. Furthermore, insofar as slavery was a universal evil that was practiced by all races worldwide, does not act as a counterpoint to reparations not being paid. The distortion of the truth that it was Whites who ended slavery, all while saying that there were 20 million people currently enslaved today, also does not act as a defense. One could very well argue that spiritually, Biblically, ethically, and morally, the empires that bloated themselves off of the exploitation of slavery should probably organize and mobilize the wealth slavery begot to ending the practice as recompense and atonement for every having engaged in the practice in the first place. Imagine one thinking that one deserves a cookie for recognizing their behavior as evil and ceasing the evil. But then one would have to first acknowledge that western empires did not necessarily end slavery, at least not America, as much as they reconstituted it. I guess in your effort to defend Berbalsingh, you missed historically accurate information from Kehinde. Moreover, both you and Berbalsingh try to appeal to emotion by citing the numbers of White men killed to end slavery in the US, a war that did not have to be fought had it not been for other slave-thirsty Whites who initiated the war to begin with. Not only does this discount the role that descendants of slaves had in signing up for the war to liberate themselves, but it also insinuates that descendants of slaves owe Whites something for FINALLY doing the right thing and maybe, when you build a country on so much injustice, that war becomes an inevitable result. Also, could it be possible that the people who fought in the war would have agreed with reparations? We know at least one of them did because that's how Field Order 15 came to be in the first place.
53:42 to 54:02 - The west is the culture that actually implemented the techniques in the right way to make unprecedented technological progress. The west did use slavery to build wealth, which is a common phenomenon not at all unique to them, and was abolished by them long ago because they saw that it was wrong. If it were not for the west's progress, one slave operation among many in history would not have occurred, but the incredible technological progress that allows us all to be so comfortable would also not have happened. If the west were leaching off slaves to make their operations work, then why did the progress not collapse for the many decades after it was abolished if there was not an intrinsic strength within? Out of the atrocities committed, a better world was realised by these people and the advancements of technology, medicine and government have lifted billions out of abject poverty around the world. The west may have subjected countless lives to misery, but you're forgetting that misery is the typical human condition in all of our history. Only the west changed that, so hold not back in showing me the debt and the patriarchal oppression, the racial supremacy, all of the things the west made worse in the last 500 years, as it is outweighed by the testimonies of billions of human lives saved and nourished by western greatness.
The descendants of slave owners (who were not even born then but are alive today) received over £16 billion in reparations for the abolition of slavery, which took from around 1833 to 2015 to pay. This means today's generations , which includes the descendants of slaves, had to help pay this debt out of their tax money. And notice how European society is quiet like a church mouse about this. But as soon as black people mention reparations for slavery European society collectively are vocal and loud in their angry agressive and passive agressive opposition filled with hatred. Reparations is not a hand out but rather an inheritance for the 310 free hard, back breaking labour our ancestors were forced to endure with extreme barbaric violence. Therefore to deny reparations to the descendants of the Trans Atlantic Chattel Slavery Slave Trade makes Europeans the number 1 hypocrite on the planet.
@@mrcjrowe your acting as if black people were the only ones who did work, what about the millions of Irish immigrants who broke their backs building infrastructure across the country for a few dollars a day? The time for reparations was in the 1800s to actual former slaves, now it is simply too late and it is merely giving free stuff to people who’ve done nothing to earn it
"why did the progress not collapse for the many decades after it was abolished?" -- why didn't the buildings built by slaves just collapse after slavery ended? "misery is the typical human condition in all of our history. Only the west changed that" -- holy crap you're just ignorant af. not to mention none of what you said is an argument against reparations
@@obiwankenobi3574 "what about the millions of Irish immigrants who broke their backs building infrastructure across the country for a few dollars a day?" LOL are you serious?? or are you just trying to make him mad?
The North-West should pay reparations to the Mid-West: we can't let those Scandinavian nations get away with what the Vikings did! Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Carthagia should be destroyed.
Slavary is still Happening today. Why don’t they try and stop this now. I’m black Jamaican and I believe Reparations should NOT be given as they will continue to want it and how and who do you pay. It’s history LET it stay there. And this will create a divide. No reparations are about money because that what you want as your reparation.
As an African, I believe the reparation argument is specious. Slavery for economic reasons was a prevalent condition among all social formations irrespective of race at the time. The Europeans met a favourable condition that allowed them to cart Africans away for labour on the plantations; they met weak African tribes and kingdoms and they took economic advantage. If the Chinese were weak at contact with Europeans, they would also have enslaved and colonised them. We must do away with our self-imposed victimhood and mental slavery and&. get to work.
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States."
The first slave owner in the south was a black man and his name was Johnson, there were about 3,000 black slave owners (men and women), and how about the people in the North who didn't own slaves, what should we do about the 700,000 men who died in the civil war to fee the slaves, do their ancestors deserve reparations, so even the Americans who never owned slaves and had ancestors who lost their lives fighting to free the slaves, should pay reparations, you should have done this over 200 years ago, anyone who was a slave or had slaves or died in the civil are dead, and that's where reparations should be.
I was born a Slav in Eastern Europe and I am a Briton. The very word ‘slave’ those asking for an apology or reparations use comes from ‘Slav’ because for centuries most slaves in Europe were Slavs and they were usually enslaved by people with darker skin (Arabs, later the Ottomans). The Slavs did not enslave anybody. Yet they want me to apologize (because the British government represents me since I am a British citizen and the government will apologize on my behalf too) for enslaving somebody’s ancestors although my ancestors never enslaved anybody.
Really weak debate. The Guyanese woman was the most logical. Reparations are useless. Those that live now in the West won the lottery. The life they get to live is better than anything they would have had if their ancestors weren't brought over as slaves. The only way forward is to stop worrying about past wrongs and past on how to succeed and help their children to succeed.
The Latin root is - repair. Does anyone really believe that giving money to select people for something that happened before they were alive is going to repair anything?
Many Slaves were captured slavers themselves. How are they weeded out? West Africa was the world's largest slaver 800 years before Slavery in America. It still is today.
I am not responsible for, nor will I ever consider atoning for, things that other people did before I was born. I can't even believe I have to confirm to other adults what every child knows by instinct.
How would this work in the real world? My niece married a black man, so my grand nephew, with the same blood line as me, would get an extra piece of turkey at our next Thanksgiving dinner? Or maybe just half a leg, as his ancestors were only slaves on one side?
By outlawing laws that hinders blacks from getting wealth. Like redlining. A lot of black ppl live in apartments with families who were turned down for a home but a white guy can get the same house with same credit
Can the British get reparations from the Roman Empire for the slavery we endured? Can the white European community get some from the Turk empire who enslaved millions? Didn’t think so 😂
@Neach ie And do you want these reparations paid to anybody who is black or only those who can prove ancestry from a chattel slave? It might be easiest in the US where black Americans of chattel slave ancestry are a defined social group with their own neighbourhoods who have rarely mixed with immigrants from Africa or other ethnicities (indeed most of the theory and ideology of race focused on the Black American ethnic group, and has now started to be applied more generally by groups who don't share the same history), but in Europe most of the black people are more recent arrivals and not descendants of chattel slavery at all. You could maybe single out those of Caribbean ancestry in the UK for reparations also but it would require a process of proving ones ancestry. Is this what you are talking about or are you talking about a reparation scheme for black-skinned people more generally?
The moderator was poor, I hate debates that don't give people time to speak. Katherine made the best points, the other woman is crazy and Kehinde is so annoying. Not one bit about how they think reparations should be paid apart from seemingly stealing a company ie that angry point the woman made about British companies.
I don't believe you can prove that someone has an obligation to pay atonement for a crime they never committed. But for the sake of argument, even if we accept the highly flawed premise of one race owing something to another, the idea that government would implement the system properly is wishful thinking. They've already offered reparations in a certain sense via the welfare system, and the only thing it accomplished thus far is the destabilization of the black family (turns out incentivizing single parent households does not help a group become industrious). So with all that considered I have to say that it's an untenable idea. You can't defend it morally, plus you can't come up with an objective metric to determine who is owed what, and for how long.
Ms Singh, you've been picked and primed for the role to debate against reparations, but after hearing Kehinde speak the truth, that you yourself said you believe in, why didn't you just sit yourself down and declare to the audience that you had nothing to say in opposition. You could have saved yourself time and embarrassment by doing that, instead you carried on with your vacuous waffling.brief, picking around in the aftermath embers of the bomb that Kehinde dropped, to try and assemble some counter argument from pieces that have been blown to smithereens and no amount of gorilla glue can stick them together again.
Let's not forget that no other nation on the history of this planet had tried to ban the international slave trade until Great Britain decided to have a go and put it's vast power behind it and enforce it on Europeans, Africans and Arabs which certainly wasn't very popular with many leaders but Britain had all the cards.
Yep more racial tension and racism from both sides. The argument for reparations is so ridiculous and absurd, that I can only conclude that those arguing for it, are agent provocateurs for the Marxist Putsch, sowing division to forward an ulterior agenda.
My Ancestors migrated from Morocco later in the 19th centuries (1870's) to get away from a very repressive Islamic society, had little to no rights. Their property was basically stolen, and the justice system was rigged against them, so they left to Holland. The motion, and the speakers for the motion I think make a great case for the people and the country of Morocco paying me reparations for what their ancestors did to my ancestors. They stole their property, taxed at higher rates, overall treated more then badly. So badly that they were forced to leave their homeland
Yeah, at about 29:00, Ms. Stanford-Xosei cites an international law case that says "reparation must, as far as possible, wipe out all the consequences of the illegal act, and re-establish the situation which would in all probability would have existed if that act had not been committed." In all probability, in the absence of slavery the vast majority of descendants of Africans enslaved in the US would not be living in the US. Of course, this comment from me, a white person, will be interpreted as a racist call to send Black people back to Africa, even though it's Ms. S-X who's calling for it. And she doesn't even seem to know that this is the import of the case she's citing.
Correction: She does list repatriation among her long list of proposed forms of reparation. I wonder how many modern American blacks would accept the offer of a free one-way ticket to Africa?
@@salamjihad3449let's not forget the u.s government sent billions of my tax dollars to Israel and Ukraine but they won't send it to the people who struggle in the wealth gap due to 400 years and segregation from our ancestors in slavery. They gave reperations to the native Americans and to Israel but when it always comes to black people its always something right? The only reperations we got was the destruction of our communities we built before ww2 and segregation and systemic racism.
billions of dollars have been spent on the wealth gap due to segregation , schools were built to accomadate people of color. jobs were created, prisons were built to accomodate them. now there is now wealth gap . go to school get a job become a part of society. @@Azrael3176
@@Azrael3176 if people want to have children out of wedlock and expect them to become wealthy with no moral compass or father figure ,staying in school etc then you want to government to pay for that gap? what about the asians and whites who have a wealth gap? give them free money too? its not about the color of your skin its about working for your money.. there is no segregation now ! there is no slavery now !! everyone has the same chance to go and make money. if we dont have children out of wedlock and respect ourselves like asians and whites
yes ! we should forget about it. move on ! why should people who had nothing to do with slavery give their hard earned tax money to others who had nothing to do with slavery?
Can the Irish get reparations for slavery? How about for better reparations for the Japanese who were interned during WWII? Did not you realize that they had their lands confiscated here in the US? Also I think the Middle East should pay reparations to Central Europe for all the slaves they took out of there! And for those they took out of Africa!
Your a racist! Giving them reparations is the right thing to do. After all slavery ended many years ago. These people were never slaves, pay them because they suffered by learning a historic event. It makes sense to me.
The lady who spoke said most of the things i have argued about. As a black person i am so overjoyed at what she said. Truth hurts indeed but this truth must be told. She told the truth while the first guy simply gave pub talk
The Afro Indian woman's arguments are poor at best. If she claims reparations is part of a victim mentality and should be opposed. Then why doesn't she apply that same logic to Ashkenazi Jews, Japanese Americans, Armenians and worst yet the ex slave owners in the Caribbean, members of these groups either demanded and got reparations or are still demanding reparations. Did the French play the victim card by placing a hefty fine (reparation) on Haiti for daring 2 revolt against slavery?! No other group has made an entire industry and nation off their past suffering like the Ashkenazi Jews despite their unparalleled success in the US, what is her opinion on them?!
Reparations? The best reparation is really two words. Never again! But we continue to find ways to hate and hurt each other so there'll never be enough money for reparation because we find a way to hate because of race, religion, sexuality, weight, sexism, mysogeny, lack of citizenship. There isn't enough money to make up for those dislikes that keep on in perpetuity because we don't like harmony and getting along. If those things stopped and never happened again that would be reparations. Acting better to people is more lasting than monetary reparation.
Please notify me when our government intends to pay reparations. I plan on buying massive amounts of stock in Cadillac automobile, Courvorsier Cognac and Rap recording labels.
Why are people losing their minds at the fact this debate exclusively addresses the trans-atlantic slave trade? How are they supposed to effectively develop a specific argument if they’re discussing every slave trade which ever existed?
This is just a long drawn out frustration that is due to the refusal to recognize that disparities are not caused by historical circumstances, group differences are the norm and rates of "success" will always be disparate among groups
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My ancestors were slaughtered in Africa, all of our wealth stolen, and we were blessed by being allowed into the USA without a penny to our name. Then, we got educated, worked our butts off, formed families, supported communities, and now we employ over 100 employees all over the world and give back to the USA. We are forever grateful and never forget how fortunate we are. All "Africans" in America should take note and stop trying to guilt people who never laid a hand on them to pay money they never earned bc many won't stop making destructive life decisions.
Well said!
@Thomas Miller Are you nuts? Dont go back, only for holidays
You are affected by a condition known as Mentricide a spectrum of Syndrome known as Stockholm. Get help
@@sistarkenyasue2078 - You are affected by the rebellious teen syndrom as an entire culture.. kick scream and cry that life is unfair. cry and cry at your daddy who is just trying to make you happy.. but knows that giving you everything you cry for is not how that works
Mike Benz : Who are the Africans in America most black Americans ancestors were already here so who are you speaking of?? The slave story left out the fact that blacks of America were also shipped out of the Americas also families broken up and shipped through out the Americas. My family is aboriginal to the Americas. America is an idea the land was inhabited before Spaniards and European colonization. My ancestors were murdered and enslaved on this very land. You can’t hide true history just have to dig. These monsters owe!!
As a born African, I feel these people who want to claim reparations (victimhood status) neglect to realize that we are capable people who don't need permission or help to bring ourselves to the table. This woman wears "Adrinka" symbols as earrings but does not represent the regal spirit of our ancestors who were proud Kings and Queens. They were not weak beggars needing scraps to show their worth. Our people can prevail regardless of their appalling disadvantages. Sadly this victimhood idea is prevalent in the west, and ironically this is where people have the easiest route out of poverty. But no, they wait to be carried to their seat at the table of utopian equality! In the west I notice many African-born blacks excel and elevate themselves and become very successful, while the majority of western-born blacks (not all, e.g. Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, to mention some notable ones) cling to some hope of handouts (reparations), and spend more time and focus on pointing out implied racism, and oppression committed by others(our ancestors ) to others (also our ancestors). I'll leave you with this scenario that I liken to.....
Imagine you are on a 1000km journey in a vehicle. You are not the original owner (they have passed on). The vehicle breaks down at the 500km mark.there is a toolbox, a service manual for that car and enough provisions to survive a 200km walk. The closest town is 500km away. Would you:
A) Start walking and hope some passer-by will save you?
B) Blame the original owner, wait for some saviour, eat all the supplies? And 'IF' you got saved, you would seek damages from the original owner's descendants?
C) Use the tools and service manual to learn to repair the vehicle whilst nourishing yourself sparingly.
or D) Do Nothing and eventually starve.
Most Africans born into poverty who are fortunate enough to escape to the west, would do A)or C) in my opinion.
Again in my opinion, most Western born blacks would opt for B), C) or D).
What these answers represent to me are:
A) determined, uneducated,
survival
B) Reparations based entitlement
C)determined, educated survival
D) complacent ignorance.
I hope this is not seen as offensive to anyone as it is not intended as such. And lastly I send you PEACE! You are my neighbor and regardless of your race, religion sex or any other defining characteristics, I love you in the same way that I would hope you love me! PEACE.
Well stated. And agree 100%. I've visited east Africa for three weeks last year. I only met nice, humble yet proud go-getters. We've become spoiled here in the US.
People will be offended. never apologize for the truth
You Africans are a disgrace to the Black race. But then it was you that sold us to the yt man to begin with, so it makes sense you are still this lost.
I visited Kenya and Tanzania years ago with a group of college students, for biology and another group searching for their roots. At the end of the 6 weeks, a professor from Nairobi rose and addressed the group, thanking us for participating in a 2 week safari and 4 weeks in classroom (everyone had to pay their way) but he said, 'now go home. You are Americans. We love having you visit, learn the language, eat our native foods, but let's not forget, you've not been here for 100s of years. Your home is America.' What he was politely saying was none of us who came to learn had a claim to Kenya or anywhere in the continent of Africa.
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I feel that you have NOT been paying attention to when We tried and did so.
But what came next to All of Our
Pull Yourself Up From Our Bootstraps with the Black Panthers the Move Project and Black Wall Streets where EVISCERATED by guess who?
NOT to mention
We started EVERYTHING
Math
Medicine
Culture
Agriculture
Etc.
And
THINK for a moment
WhY can't We get along
Please solve that part
It is rather
OPPRESSIVE (keyword)
And it's obvious
You have NO idea of how they've pitted Dark Skin folks against each other.
Brown folks is doing what they can to build but the system isn't making it easy
Nuff Said Inc.
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SO, PEOPLE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY SHOULD GIVE REPARATIONS TO PEOPLE WHO WERE NEVER SLAVES !!..........BUGGER OFF !!
The are benefitting from it
@@famousblackberry5529 Not really.
@@famousblackberry5529 only thing we can do is segregate from these people since they dont want to own up to their shit.
Reparations is not about slavery or justice, it's about money.
It's simply entitlement, victimhood mentality, and abusing the race card.
Unless they were born into slavery or parents were slaves in America, they are as much an American citizen as you or me. They also have the freedom to go to Africa if they feel compelled. But they don't because it's actually about $$$.
@@milkncookie nobody told the jews to get American benefits and land Grant's for what took place in Germany but here we go. Cut the bullshit right now
Next debate: should the modern day nation of Turkey pay reparations to Eastern European countries for the for conscription of Christian boys in the Janissary regiments
You could add reparations to the Armenians and Christian Assyrians for the Anatolian genocide.
Ppl quick to bring other issues when we on deck lol. Jews, Japanese, Mexicans, Irish ext.. got their day in court but us, and its coming. We made America trillions of dollars that allowed other countries and the world to get rich..
@@gordonthefreeman dickhead
this video deserves like 10 Million dislikes no likes
Joel 3:6-7 Solomon 1:5
1. Slavery was legal. You don’t retroactively enact punishment.
2. America’s wealth came from the industrial revolution because it aloud for greater profits.
3. The depression and Great Depression of the early 1900’s eliminated 90% of that wealth the world over. And most western nations had to start from practically scratch after WW2.
4. The vast majority of “white” nations were not involved with colonialism.
5. Most of the white population in America Immigrated after slavery was abolished.
6. You’re just a racist who doesn’t want to take responsibility for their own life and choices.
FYI there are more white people living in poverty than the total amount of black people (rich or poor) living in the US. But somehow your tiny racist brain thinks they have privilege.
You were never a slave and I never owned one and neither did my ancestors. My family were dirt farmers from Ireland and Wales. Do I get money from England because of the past now? No, I do not.
I'm similer, my ancestors used to be poor farmers in England
@Un Bothered How does this not apply?
You sir are a moron
@@dc5024 Good argument, bro. Stay mad lol
@Un Bothered Sure, we can open another thread about black people and making sure that every black person specifically pays reparations to the descendants of whoever their ancestors conquered, destroyed or similar.
“No one on this side is saying we are victims.” ONE SENTENCE LATER: “The knife is still in our back.” SMH
Bumb bumb... After slavery injustice is still happening.
@petoz2 Just remember you will die one day and your previous comment is how you'll be remembered by many on this platform. I'm assuming you'll say the same things to the descendants of Jews who died within the concentration camps? Or think the Brits who died in the world wars were weak too?
Have some humanity and think before you speak. If you were to say this to me face-to-face I would have no issue putting you in hospital!
Nate Dogg it’s kinda true tho, if ur ancestors were slaves they lost a war and it’s sad but it’s reality
R Eastman it’s not that simple. It wasn’t a war for one. It was a classic example of African’s not being united that led to slavery. Europeans (and Arabs) just happened to come at the right time to exploit the various African Tribal disputes for their own means.
Africa hasn’t really been truly conquered like the Natives in North America and Australia.
Lastly, no historian will disagree that to have a truly global empire you need Africa and its resources.
Nate Dogg those African slaves were from other tribes that lost wars with other African tribes, hence they became enslaved via losing battles by larger stronger African tribes and kingdoms, those African empires then traded ppl for guns etc with Europeans and Arabs, slavery has been a part of human history since the beginning, slavery is just free labour in reality, some worse than others of course, in end, it was white men who had to force African leaders to stop slave trading human beings and even embargoed so it’s not all bad
When argument gets weak, voice gets louder
Or CAPS haha!
ALL CAPS!!!!!
its like playing pool, the harder you hit them, the better their english gets.
NO YOURE WRONG
Whoah @@dltharpe
First speaker: 10 minutes of historical facts which are horrible to hear but not one single reason that reparations should be paid. Second speaker: first 10 sentences give multiple (obvious) reasons that this is an unworkable and somewhat ridiculous idea.
Can the Irish get reparations aswell? I'll take either a trillion potatoes or Gibraltar
LMFAO class comment LOLZ
Still laughing 😂
@Markheef Dessal good joke bud
Hahah this is so funny 😂😂😂 😒
yes they almost definetly should
What about the racism of Africans against other Africans
Hell, Blacks are THE most racist group in America, according to EVERY group polled, INCLUDING Blacks themselves. When they can cut it out, I'm sure others will too.
Well fare = Reparations. It's done. No more well fare to ppl who identify as slaves.
@Herman Menderchuck yes and the Arabs in the Gulf are still at it but nobody seems to mind.
@@measl see SOUTH Africa NOW..
@ *So true.*
Debate: Every country that has had slaves must pay reperations therefore everyone will be paying to everyone therefore no one needs to pay
What?
@Neach ie the ONLY people who deserve reparations are the enslaved people themselves. The beggars in this video are simply trying to profit from the pain of those people.
debate questions don't usually have assume a premise, and yours is false
If this doesn't fuel racism, nothing will.
@Accelerationist Hopefully? Why?
Not going to happen in my family. My mum is white and my dad is black. Therefore half my family are white and half my family are black. I’m mixed race and my husband is white. My kids are white. They have blond hair, blue eyes( exept for my daughter. She has green eyes), they look European. They have no “ black features “. I hope that all members of my family wouldn’t make their decisions based on race or colour. My white members of my family don’t stick together because they’re white. Just as the black members don’t, just because they’re black. Those that are mixed race in the family don’t stick together just because we’re mixed race.
Why would this fuel racism? Unless you're already racist...
@@TootsieRoll991 Think about it...if you target people for their race, they'll be defensive. That wouldn't mean they're racist. They would be defending themselves against racists.
@@woahhbro2906 so what exactly do you think Black people are doing? I think you think this only applies to white people...
Implying that the only the West has engaged in slavery...... Haha
OZGlitch no, they just don’t like White people and they want your stuff.
just few years ago the stopped selling women in Morocco and in most Arab country they still buy the girls for only having fun with them
These people are full of sh*t. If they were to see my kids...white, blond hair, blue eyes, daughter has green eyes though, European features, not black “ black features”... they’d blame them for and expect reparations from them. Not knowing that my dad ( their grandad): is black Jamaican and a descendant of slavery. Therefore that makes MY kids a descendant too. Do my white kids also get reparations? As I said... they’re full of sh*t!
sambucca18 99.9% sure you’re lying like the usual white supremacist
@@sambucca1817 I guess lying is hereditary too lol
As a Syriac living in the Levant, I want compensation from Saudi Arabia and Turkey for the monstrous genocidal rebels and armies killing millions here.
Don’t forget the French!
Please stay there. Europe is full. (At least for your sort).
@@camarocarl7130 What is that supposed to mean?
I don't know anything about thst, but it sounds reasonable to me. go for it
May god bless your soul.Great point.
Debate: Mongolia must pay reparations to Europe for Genghis Khan.
Debate: Palestine must pay reparations to Italy for the Byzantine empire.
Debate: France must pay reparations to France for the Frankish barbarian kingdom.
Debate: Everyone owes money to the Jews for 2000 years of persecution.
Debate: Italy must pay reparations to Britain for Conquest.
Debate: Italy must pay reparations to Greece for their Conquest.
The cycle is never-ending.
Debate : israel should be prosecuted in international courts for its constant violation of human rights, ethnic cleansing, illegal settlements, illegal annexations, death of thousands of Palestinians chikdren women and men, restricting access to basic necessities such as food, healthcare, water and electricity to the Palestinians, destruction of Palestinians settlement, schools and health care centers amongst many others
Who is 'everyone'?
In summary, Human beings are shitty creatures. Let's acknowledge the past and move forward with the goal to be nothing like the past
@@Skinhound just "Let's acknowledge the past and move forward" is a beautiful thought, but nobody except the most saintly of us actually lives by that in our daily lives. Which is why the law doesn't work that way either. It would be a perfect world...for psychopaths to take advantage of the rest of us
As Bob Marley famously said, “Emancipate ourselves from mental slavery, NONE BUT OURSELVES CAN FREE OUR MIND”
bruh, only money can free your mind everyone enlightened knows that
He also said “No woman, no cry.” That could certainly be applied to the women on this panel.
He was actually quoting Marcus Garvey.
what does that have to do with anything?
This is it! How so many people can miss this point, astounds me. If you want to be great, go after greatness! Don't waste time uncovering and explaining why it might be that that you think you're not great yet! Smh. Anyway thanks for this post!
Well, anyone could pick his "favorite" part of the history and demand reparation payments. Imagine American natives suing US and Canada, Israel suing Persians, S. America suing Spain and Portugal, Africa suing the world, Africans suing each other, W.C.E.Europe suing Turks, Italy suing Hungary, Egypt suing Greece, Greece suing Turks, Arabs suing Europe, S. America suing US, China suing Japan, Aborigines suing Australia, E.Europe suing Russia, India suing Pakistan and UK, Mexico suing US, Vietnam suing US......
A lot of fun.
Japanese Americans got paid reparations in the 90s, Native Americans were given land and avoid taxation (although still go through horrendous discriminations), Jewish people got Israel!... General William Tecumseh Sherman issued military orders to confiscate 400,000 acres of Southern land and to divide it into 40 acre parcels for 18,000 freed slaves to settle. Right after Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson repealed that act, and instead Andrew Johnson granted amnesty to most former Confederates and allowed the rebel states to elect new governments WHO THEN enacted black codes and measures designed to control and repress the freed slave population, such as requiring voters to be able to read and write, which they were DENIED to do as slaves. 150 years later and people think to themselves "It was so long ago..." "Why should I pay for people that didn't directly suffer from slavery" "I wasn't a slave owner"... yet people DO suffer the effects of these past sins... If you are born white, you are more likely to be born into a two parent family, with more wealth, and more educational and economic opportunities than black people. This has been designed... I don't get why people who aren't black are so opposed to reparations, as if its reverse racism. Black people still suffer from the effects of slavery, segregation, being denied loans post WW2 for homes (owning real estate is the #1 factor in determining generational wealth alongside stock market investing). Now we see the wealth inequality is atrocious, the hyper policing, the harsher sentencing, the 5 year minimum sentence for possessing 5 grams of crack compared to 5 year mandatory minimum for possessing 500 grams of cocaine (which population uses crack the most?) despite being the same drug. People think its unfair for black people today being paid reparations. Well is it fair that you don't reap the benefits of your ancestors work? Is it fair that the people that DO benefit are the same color of the people that have oppressed and still oppress you? That is what's disgusting, the same people that oppose reparations are the same people that have benefited from institutionalized slavery and racism, and can't stand to see justice be served. As if it's UNFAIR. HA... UNFAIR YOU SAY? THE IRONY...
Yes there is a lot of injustice in the world. But arguing that everyone is guilty of something therefore there should be no reparations just makes you sound insensitive. I get it Europeans are guilty of a lot. I don't know if it is greed or if power just corrupted them but I do know that progress at any cost is a white value. Capitalism is a dangerous unsustainable ideology that has led to many wars in history. If we want to change anything we will need to become kinder and love our neighbours as we love ourselves.
Of course its cherry-picking. And Im still waiting for their explanation for the difference between colonialism and conquests?
@@nicobock6823 "progress at any cost is a white value" and how do you prove that? And what do you mean by progress. Just insane.
@@adamgrimsley2900 No proof. All opinions. I just have a habit of stating them as facts. It's just my experience that white people are more ambitious and drawn towards power and that they generally don't care what the cost is.
"The age of guilt is over, we will not apologize for our achievements, our history cannot be used as a weapon against us, no-one can say they have legitimate claims on us -- we are in debt to no-one. Our glorious past is a matter pride and joy to us, whatever we have done in the past only inspires us today for even greater deeds tomorrow. Those who feel that we have wronged them should be happy they are still alive.
"
Not an achievement. It's called theft in modern times.
@@TootsieRoll991 it wasn't called theft back then.
@@belindakennedy5828 yes it was. It just makes you feel better to think that.😒
@@TootsieRoll991 Africans sold over Africans to Europeans and made massive profit from it. Or does that not count as it doesn't fit tge narrative?
@@thehandoftheking3314A very small percentage did that. And most who bought slaves were actually buying family members to get them free. Africans were not the orchestrators of chattle slavery and that's FACTS. If you can name an African who directly benefited from slavery I'll be interested to document that. Do you have that information?
Let's make a deal. Reparation payment for any and all blacks who give up their citizenship in any western nation and return to Africa. It would be expensive in the short-run, but ultimately pay-off. Every western nation would be way better off, getting rid if it's forever complaining, no ambition, non-contributing, free-loaders in the long run. Any who chose to stay and refuse the reparation payment, would be just the opposite and would be better citizens. Getting rid of all the loosers and keeping the best. Let's make reparations happen.
Foreign aid should be stopped as well. All it does is fall into the wrong hands. Charities are now a business, they are not there to help.
psychopaths capitalizing on empathetic people, who woulda thought.
They MUST be purged
Nuke africa from orbit, it is the only way
You're a idiot. Learn how the world works. No gives foreign aid out of the 'content of their character'. They do it. To win goodwill and grease palms to win contracts.
Abraham Tsfaye exactly why it should be stopped you idiot
You don't know how foreign aid works. Lol
Then blacks should also pay reparations to Koreans for the LA riots that destroyed thousands of Korean businesses. See how quickly this thinking can revolve into everyone owing everyone reparations for our ancestors?
What caused the riots? “The blacks”experienced more than the destruction of their businesses. There is no comparison? This has nothing to do with Koreans, but in fact FREE LABOR!
Yeah sure let’s add up the damages from both sides and see how much the Koreans still owe the black community. I’m sure black people wouldn’t care either way because the government owes them generations of wealth that IS being stolen and has been in many different ways in the past. The fact that people like you (who aren’t educated well in black history) use this deflective language towards an oppression that literally shaped the world we live in currently is the very reason we are separated today! Descendants and congress need to take responsibility by aiding the black community and learning more about African Americans because we are more similar than different. We deserve the same quality of life.
Really no matter what the "yes" side says, normal people say "No. Come and take them." Can my family get money from Rome for their Empire?
Italians where are my reperations? lmao
@@SteaksOnSpear Italians weren't in chattel slavery. Fool.
No, racists say no. This isn't a debate anyway. Blacks will take back what is rightfully theirs. It's already happening, so get with the programme.
@@TootsieRoll991 haha, good luck comrade.
@@TootsieRoll991 oh but gladiatorial slavery and genocide by Rome is okay? Go bother Europe, they might actually pay up. Are the slaves used as house servants getting the same reparations as chattel? Are African Kings going to pitch in since they benefited?
What you most miss is any government that gets the power to fix perceived debts in the manner you think of will also have the power to make slaves of others. But that is probably your hope.
slavery in african was a huge part of their economy and their positions of power in the surrounding societies
what does this have to do with anything?
Blacks like Madam Tinubu captured their own people and made a mint selling them as slaves to the entire world. Blacks do indeed deserve reparations from Africa!!!
Professor of Victimhood.
155 Years means every slave and slave owner is dead.
Yup, but the money payed to the slave owners, is still around, and nicely multiplying over time for there descendants....helping widen the gap between the poor and the wealthy, funny how well you can track the money even back to David Cameron’s family, I believe they received £4,101.00 back in the late 1700s (approx 3 million in today’s money)....
@@andrewsilva4206the answer to your demand is NO!
@@andrewsilva4206 did you track the money of any black slave owners?
It's a strange thing to say that a group of people who had nothing to do with the crime, should pay another group of people who were not the victims - just because of their skin colour. Especially when the crime was over a hundred years ago.
I think most people would agree redress would be appropriate for same generation and also next generation, feel really unsure/both ways about third generation later, by fourth generation and later be firmly opposed-and that common set of belief makes a lot of sense. Debt does not completely end right after an injustice but it can diminish after more and more and more time passes away from it.
@Zamolxis Who is this 'you' you're referring to?
@Zamolxis Considering I haven't changed any tactics, and I'm certainly not involved in any slavery, financial or otherwise - no, the question isn't rhetorical.
Is the answer a secret?
@Zamolxis Ahh, so 'you' then is anyone who lives in a successful modern country, regardless of skin colour. That's a pretty big 'you' to be hurling around. Dunno about all the might makes right and weird slavery accusations, but I do enjoy life, so there's that I guess.
well I think the idea is not to do that, but rather pay people who have been harmed today by slavery's legacy, from the pockets of those who benefit today from slavery's legacy.
I'll be the first to admit that this idea cannot be perfectly executed, but that's the idea.
Nonsense. Arab slave traders were selling Africans to the Egyptian pyramid builders and throughout the Middle East all the way to India. This only intensified when Arab slavers became Muslims, spreading wherever Islam triumphed. But what about the many Kings of Africa who enslaved fellow Africans by the millions. All such slaver nations/peoples/races should pay reparations before anyone things about what the West might "owe."
Slavery has existed since the beginning of mankind. Every race has been affected. There is still modern day slavery that is the most prevalent in Africa. This is insane. You just want to pick and choose what benefits you.
I can't tell what side you're on, because I don't see how the facts you present argue for or against reparations
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States."
Before we even get started on the African transatlantic slave trade, first the Irish need reparations from Iceland. Every person of Norse Icelandic descent must pay every person of Irish descent. It's only fair.
Including the Icelanders paying themselves, as all Icelanders have a certain amount of Irish dna from the Irish women the men took home
so your argument is what? Should we not punish a murderer because people have been and still are murdering people all over the world? Justice is too complicated so fukit?
Oh so because it was done to you it’s ok that it was done to someone else?? Ok, I see you’re reasoning there…👀 I’m honestly beginning to think that a lot of rascist people like to abuse black people because otherwise they’d be fighting amongst themselves. All that hate has to go somewhere…such warlike people!
@@no1ladyj69 No, it's not okay. But I don't care about your ancestors more than I care about my own.
Don't forget that slave owners were rapists. People descended from slaves are more likely to be descended from slaver owners than anyone else is.
I know for a fact than none of my ancestors from the time of the Atlantic slave trade were slave owners, but if you are descended from enslaved Africans, you are also descended from slave owners.
How do you pay reparations to yourself?
LMFAO My comment about the Barbary Slave Trade was *CENSORED*.
Try to write anything about the Jewish slave trade...
@@sesus6 YT doesn't allow expressions of antisemitism.
@@Linda43 It isn't antisemitic to talk about history.
I can see it unless it's a repost.
@@jacobmecrob5185 As long as its factual and fair.
After all Jews have always represented a small percentage of the population. Their involvement was minimal.
I am owed reparations. My family fought and died to regain your freedom. Blacks owe me.
the same family that put us there in the first place
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States."
@@ninnikins4768 Are you still living like a slave, a slave in your own mind, always the victim....
@@ninnikins4768 Actually your African ancestors sold you and if not to the Europeans they would have sold you to the Islamic Arabs or would have kept you as a slave in Africa. Either way you were going to be slave. But if you were sent to the West you would not be castrated and in Africa they fought the British and the Americans to keep the slave trade.
@@ninnikins4768actually it was Africans who put them there not the white Europeans who ended the slave trade that originated in Africa
Blown away by Katharine Birbalsingh's beautiful, thoughtful comments - which are now making the rounds on social media so they are finally getting the credit she deserves. I wonder why her remarks were not included in the "key moments" selected by Intelligence squared...?
They failed to answer the most important questions - Why is someone living today who was never a slave entitled to profit from the pain and bondage of a distant ancestor? Why is a debt owed to someone who did not suffer simply because of a bloodline?
@mo leahy Why is someone living today who have ansestors profited by inflicting pain and bondage on slaves be entitled to the profits of this. Just because of their bloodline?
@@appleyemma1 That's an argument for specific descendants of slaves going after the specific descendants of the slaveholders. There might be a case for that. But that's a very different argument than the one being put forward for reparations from the federal government.
why is PROFIT given to newer generations simply because their parents are rich?
Why is someone living today still enjoying the benefits of slavery .There are no slaves left .Yet generational wealth from slavery still benefits white people . So whites keep all the benefits of a system set up for them by the United States government . And blacks people didn’t benefit one bit from slavery . How in the hell do you think white people have majority of wealth .Not to mention generational wealth . Make it make f- cking sense .
@@userjoao i mean it was past down in the family you cant just take peoples money
Why should i pay for something i had nothing to do with and i am against?
That is what you need to explain perfectly but you ignore this completely, that is the one question which has any relevance what so ever yet it is the question you never touch upon.
Not to mention you are all ignorant about history, every single caucasian who lives today has ancestors who were black. So how far into history should we look? What is your arbitrary number of years?
Which countries have ended slavery? Where does slavery still exist to this day? Also perfectly ignored, you arent suited to debate whatever you should eat toast or not.
1just because you personally didn't have anything to do with slavery doesn't mean you didn't take on the debt if or when you became an "American" citizen.
2 this is a debt for a country(America) not any specific persons - we pay taxes right now for things none us agree with yet we pay them so wether you want to or not doesn't have any standing
This is the point all of these debates miss
Also native black Americans those descended from American slaves ... "America" are not to be compiled into a group with those that are actually from the African continent or any ethnic group with heavily melinated skin and their home countries.
This is happening this is why pole like you are so confused
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Soooo are you gonna pay yourself reparations since you're an American citizen yourself?
Or maybe perhaps you should take up the notion of "reparations" with Africa. Seeing as how blks sold other blks into slavery.
Something they're *STILL* doing right now?
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Without the British Empire slavery would still be practiced and endorsed by nations all over the world to this very day.
Britain enforced the ban on slavery with her power from the wealth empire created, so arguably Britain partaking in the trade has saved millions of lives and I don't even think that's a stretch to say that.
Britain did not abolish slavery was not for the good of the African people, it was to remove other countries competitive advantage. They along with much of Western Europe still had colonies around the world where people were treated to a live of servitude, starved, brutalised, had limbs amputated. etc. etc. There was no magic off switch for slavery, it simply changed form.
Actually the earliest abolition movement in the UK was started by Africans who were educated enough to EDUCATE the British public about slavery in the first place by writing books, lecturing, articles, this outreach reached a certain man William Wilberforce( a white man) who had access to parliament so the Sons of Africa ( African Abolition movement) pressured him to go to parliament to end the slave trade but even after the end of slave trade, the British would still go on to have wars in native land, made threats with bombardment, tax the natives and became a huge pest when it came to politics.
oh yeah, in fact the descendants of slave should pay THEM reparations
lol
@@yousefhakbir1561 Ffs, can we not post this unsubstantiated bulshit piblically? Your ignorance of history doesn't give you carte blanche to intvent things to suit your delusion.
Attention slavery still goes on today
The time for reparations was when slaves still lived. It's simply too late now.
On what basis?
@@sizwenyuka4739 You remunerate people for crimes that were directly committed against them. Those people are all dead, and you can't tell a whole group of people to go and do this one thing for some other group of people. Both groups are full of people who had nothing to do with slavery, and many people who would receive benefits didn't suffer from slavery at all. Reparations have been given out totaling in the tens of trillions over the 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries and those social programs are there for anybody to access. Reparations doesn't even make sense as an idea because you *cannot* EVER hope to "repair" the heinous crimes of centuries of slavery with a couple checks. Just give people what they deserve - freedom. If they need some help getting on their feet that's fine but there's no reason to just arbitrarily favor one race of people over the other.
@@superdog797 I presented a speech against reparations and my closing sentence was exactly this but I didn't put the now at the end. I lost a lot of friends that day in class.
@@superdog797 Well said. I am an AA woman who is only owed freedom and the right to pursue goals within the open playing field that exists today.
oh then i guess paying the descendents of the so called holocaust is too late now or the slave owners or france who extorted haiti for years after there masters died. sounds like u want to change the rules when it comes to blacks
this just square rooted my inteligence to 0
@@sebastianconrad6823 kwik meths
As if the "slaves" made any major contributions to science and math. .....
Check IQ in Africa. They don't even understand how to clean their streets. You see it allover the world where ever they are.
They didn’t even invent the wheel.
@@anathema2me4EVR what about fire!
@kalunda VERY TRUE
@kalunda What resources does the world steal (buy at market rates) from Africa?
Europe wasn't advance in the 1400's???? Compared to whom? Africa? Native America? Lol
Actually yes... Africa, Asia, the Middle East... all were more advanced.
@@JNUMusic lol!
@@NoMoeMistaNiceGuy lol... yeah I know all those texts from European scholars who talk about learning in Eqypt, the history of crusades showing the West being bested by the Middle East continuously and the constant desire to find new trade routes to India... offer no context clues for you.
@@JNUMusic how is any of that proof that Europe wasn't advanced? I'd still rather be a woman in Europe in the year 1400 than in the middle East. Even with all the rights afforded by the prophet Muhammad. Africa, tribalistic, nomadic. Still prefer Europe. I guess seeing that the ruling elites had great intellectuals is your definition of advanced. Maybe you're right.
@@NoMoeMistaNiceGuy if European scholars needed to go to Africa to get educated, warfare/politics of the world were dominated by the Ottoman Empire and trade dominated by Asia with the Middle East being the middle men.... it doesn't really matter what you prefer.
The evidence points to Europe lagging behind until they got gunpowder from Asia & slaves from Africa. Sorry.
Was there no polling done at the beginning and end? That's one of the things that sets IQ2 apart from other debates. What did the audience think going into it and who had the bigger impact at the end? Did I blink and miss something ?
I guess yes los. They didn't have the balls to publish it so they cut that part
U just sound confused and scared . Like a agoraphobic
@@antikokalis I wish somebody would tell me what I need to do on my own platform 😂🤣 you should be blessed you able to even have electricity to even insult me lmao be grateful bc ik u don’t pay bills
@@JaySantanaofficial I don't understand your comment
The thing is when black people talk about getting money they don’t care what you think they want their money
Where's the diversity in this debate? Because actually the question is, should white people pay reparations. Where's the white voice?
Of course!! Who else do they think would pay!! It's ALWAYS our fault..funny they NEVER mention the North that didn't own slaves who fought and died for THEIR freedom..But then again I'm sure they will find some " selective " history saying that's wrong
The idea of reparations actually satisfying the angst of certain individuals is for fools. Self pity will keep you from succeeding every time.
Tell that to the Jews, who were fully compensated.
@@TootsieRoll991 so you agree.
@@TootsieRoll991 Fully compensated?
Well, it's clearly not helped you
@newellharry176 Clearly, self-pity helps no one.
Were the results of the poll too controversial to be shown? Every other IQ debate ends with the poll results, so what are they hiding?
As an American, i apologize for exporting this victim mentality.
Why on earth would people who’ve never owned slaves give money to people who’ve never been slaves?
_You’re_ not “giving” anything. You have to have it to give. Your government will simply reallocate the resources that it already misuses. _You_ will continue to pay taxes and you will continue to have _zero control_ of how that money is arranged, invested, otherwise utilized. Business as usual. Don’t be dense.
Define “the west”.
White people
@@21stcenturymuse27 *Yes, "The West" is just another racial code word for todays racists (the Social Injustice Warriors are todays worst, most rancid, racists).*
@@21stcenturymuse27 top kek
"The west" is an old concept going back to the division of the mediteranean world between orthodox east and catholic west. nowadays it generally refers to westen/northern europe and Anglo-north america aswell as AUS/NZ and depending on definition also latin america. Samuell huntingtons definition for example is a popular definition if your interested
oh and small adendum: at about 24:00 the one woman arguiung pro defines her version of the West.
Catharine shared the best argument imo.
@@edpistemic ♡
My goodness, you are right. She smashed it. A fabulous speech.
@@Topher_1986 I completely agree, broke her argument down beautifully.
@@johnsakars2358 She really did, I love wise people.
The 3rd speaker said Arab's didn't need to pay as they have done enough. Does anyone know what they have done? As recently as 2003 a leading Saudi Cleric suggested slavery should be allowed.
Black on black slavery still exists in parts of Africa today but you'll never hear this guy talk about that as it doesn't fit with his weaponisation of victimhood.
If he talks about it, will you agree to reparations? Or are you just trying to shift blame like the west has been doing for centuries.
@@mayanksaboo8045 No I won't, because it represents some of the dumbest thinking in the history of mankind. I am Irish, so ancestors faced genocide that wiped out most of the population, and extreme poverty, we were treated terribly by the west, but apart from that how are you going to trace everyone's relatives? What are you going to do for Jewish people who were probably treated the worst in history by having millions slaughtered, or how about people of mixed race? so the reparations thing falls apart very quickly under the slightest deconstruction
@@shughy1 Germany did pay reparations to an extent. Just because you don't understand how it can be calculated, doesn't mean it can't be done. If people can reap the benefits of slavery and genocide, they can pay for it as well.
@@mayanksaboo8045 You're very foolish to be taken in by such ill thought out ideas, they use terms like white privilege even though the Jews were treated even worse than anyone and the Irish too, that's how stupid these groups are. Educate yourself about history please, before latching onto the latest trend that makes you look virtuous to your friends, it only makes you look a bit dim.
@@shughy1 No rebuttal. Great.
Katharine Birbalsingh outclasses everyone else in that room.
Only because she speaks what you agree with.
@@mugimbaraymond2089 I said everyone, Including her debate partner.
@@mugimbaraymond2089 You missunderstand. My comment was in reference to how they conducted themselves personally and professionally not their opinions regarding the debate.
She was poor
If my ancestors built America with 400 years of free labor, America owes my future descendants and I multi-generational repair.
America was built on the technology of the industrial revolution. The North didn't have slaves and was more successful that the South.
According to Yale historian David Blight, “by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.”
Professor Sandy Darity Jr.-a leading economist and premiere scholar in the area of American reparations- and Dania Frank have illustrated using the work of Vedder, Gallaway and Klingaman, the gains in wealth to white southerners from ownership of blacks in 1859 was $3.2 million. In today’s dollars, the value of that debt is estimated to be somewhere between $5 to $10 trillion dollars, depending upon the interest rate used for compounding purposes.
In his book, American Slavery, American Freedom, the historian Edmund Morgan concludes that slavery was not a contradiction of American freedom, but rather that slavery was the institution that made white freedom possible. In other words, slavery was not a mistake so much as a precondition for a societal hierarchy which requires descendants of slaves to remain a bottom caste and be made to suffer the necessary failures of a brutal economic system. This was followed by a Jim Crow-era that saw #ADOS become actual contagions that lead to a destruction of wealth; through federally-supported, discriminatory practices like redlining, black presence literally made wealth disappear in communities, all while American whites-and more recently, immigrants- enjoy advantage in a land of apparently equal opportunity that was in fact manufactured on the back of black failure.
@@tonyheard391 Your descendants will owe my descendants for not being accepted to colleges or getting jobs despite superior qualifications and also for my descendants paying exorbitant social welfare payments to your descendants while being told how everything was just given to my descendants because of their skin color.
In 1492 America most definitely did not have slaves, America also didn't have white people.
Christopher Columbus may have stepped foot on the south american lands but never put a foot on a shore of north America.
Slaves were not stolen from Africa by Americans they were enslaved by thier own people who then sold them to rich land owners in America. Only 20% of Americans owned slaves and at the time of the civil war not one republican owned a slave.
Republican vehemently opposed slavery and started to abolish it in the north in 1775. Before American was technically a sovereign nation.
The civil war was fought mainly between the slave owning Democrats in the north and south and the anti slavery Republicans.
America was the first to abolish slavery, leaving slaves whom descended from enslaved ancestors whom were enslaved before they came to America and had they not been they for the most part would be in subsaharan Africa, in poverty unparalleled by anywhere else in the world, where every other person is affected by the hiv epidemic, bouts of Ebola, rebel militias, ruthless gangs and weak government's who suck all the wealth from the precious resources in that continent for themselves leaving most of the citizens in a race against time to not die, women to not be repeatedly raped captured and forced into marriage or sex work, little boys weilding ak47 killing each other over diamonds they can't even legally sell in the global market. Panning for gold only to make little to nothing if found yet paying a price for not finding any.
I hate to sound like a cold hearted bitch but the more I hear Americans get lambasted and accused of crimes and told I should be made to pay for said crimes the more I feel inclined to tell the truth and also make it a point to say that the slaves who got to come to America pay a price to have kids grand kids great grand kids great great grand kids and so on be brought up in the greatest country the richest country the freest country the world has ever seen. They are lucky by every means and stretch of the imagination when compared to those still suffering terrible brutality and disease and crime and yes slavery in thier home countries.....
Your welcome
Right on!! I learned something from this debate..NO white person has ever been enslaved..No NEVER!! Not even our ancestors!! You know us white people NEVER ever had any troubles including our ancestors..of course they don't want to hear history or truth if it doesn't help them get free money..I meant reparations Hahaha
The Aztecs had slaves, the natives indigenous people raided each other tribal lands and took slaves
Had there not been slavery, those claiming to have legitimate grievances would not have had families in the United States at the time of slavery. Therefore, in order to restore them to what likely would have transpired - as the pro reparations side is advocating - the correct action would be to established the aggrieved families in the African nation from which their families came, and give them the average amassed fortune of the current inhabitants of these those countries.
Slavery was/is horrific, but every descendant of American slaves that currently lives in America is FAR better off than their distant cousins and their families who remained in Africa. If reparations seeks to restore “what likely would have been,” it certainly wouldn’t be improving their current American lifestyles.
Indigo Montoya I dont think you fully understand the history.
Exactly they are far better off, if they want reparations they should receive it when they have been repatriated back to Africa. You can't have your cake and eat it.
@Un Bothered There is how many people in Africa still? How would it of made it better if they stayed, what would they have done different that would of made Africa better?
I am willing to break off a little something something from my Barbary/ Ottoman reparation
Everything Katharine Birbalsingh said, every historical fact she spoke, was ignored by the two on the left, and many in the audience, as if she wasn't even there.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident, which everybody had decided not to see.” - Ayn Rand
Aristotle said: "Humanity is divided into two, the Master and the Slave." And all races, without exception, were on both sides of that divide.
The greatest injustice, when it comes to the social and historical perspective of slavery, is how it's taught. Due to a concerted and successful effort on the Left, that has thoroughly saturated our MSM and academia, the only people who should be given the greatest credit in ending the practice are instead the only ones being held solely responsible for it.
The speech presented by the honorable woman about the true history of slavery and the critical role played by Western Civilization in its abolition highlights a deeply concerning issue. Aristotle's division of humanity into masters and slaves serves as a poignant reminder that slavery has been a universal blight on all races and cultures. Yet, the current narrative, heavily influenced by leftist ideologies and perpetuated by the mainstream media and academia, has unjustly placed the burden of guilt solely on White Western Civilization.
It was Western Civilization and the white-created Abolitionist Movement in Europe, spurred on by a White Western Christian philosophy within the contemporary social politics of the basic rights of Man (i.e., life, liberty, and self-determination), that was the first catalyst to end slavery in most of the world, with full emancipation here in America, at the cost of over 700,000 mostly white men and boys, buried in the ground. Such was the cost of black Freedom. The butcher's bill paid in MY white ancestor's blood.
The purposeful removal of this reality from the public's conscience, and the selective historical teachings which ignore it, overlooks the monumental efforts and sacrifices made by white abolitionists and Western societies to eradicate slavery. As a descendant of a White Italian officer of Garibaldi's Red Shirt volunteers who came to America after the Emancipation Proclamation specifically to fight to free blacks from slavery, and who led a black regiment (39th U.S.C.T., United States Colored Troops) at the battles of Petersburg (including the Battle of the Crater) and was killed after the Battle of Ft. Fisher in 1865, the narrative becomes personal. The legacy of such sacrifice is overshadowed by a contemporary focus that disregards the contributions and losses of white individuals and instead perpetuates an agenda that seeks financial reparations. This agenda is supported by a segment of the black community and opportunistically exploited by the Democrats and their mass media allies.
Despite this honorable woman presenting a thoroughly truthful history of slavery, in which every race played the role of both slave and owner, with Western Civilization making the pivotal and indispensable effort toward eliminating its practice at the bloody cost of hundreds of thousands of White lives; the self-serving opportunistic parasites, grievance exploiters, predatory race baiters, and perpetual social Victimists of the black community sitting on stage and in the audience, maintained a willful disinterest and apathy. Their total lack of interest in her well-researched facts demonstrated a race-based prejudice and a steadfast commitment to their anti-White narrative. This clearly manifests an agenda-driven stance, characterized by selective hearing and a blatant dismissal of historical truth, seeking only financial reward for those who were never slaves at the expense of those who were never slave owners because of a deep-seated racial animus built on resentment, nurtured and exploited for decades by the Democrats and their mass media.
Yes, the agenda is repair for those who are descendants of US chattel slavery. This idea that the debaters IGNORED Berbalsingh's historical recount, instead of engaging in the debate, the whole reason why they were on the stage in the first place, is demonstrative of your victim mentality needing to reduce your paltry defense as being picked on. It was not their job to shake their head and agree with everything she said, their job was to defend their position that reparations should be paid.
Furthermore, insofar as slavery was a universal evil that was practiced by all races worldwide, does not act as a counterpoint to reparations not being paid. The distortion of the truth that it was Whites who ended slavery, all while saying that there were 20 million people currently enslaved today, also does not act as a defense. One could very well argue that spiritually, Biblically, ethically, and morally, the empires that bloated themselves off of the exploitation of slavery should probably organize and mobilize the wealth slavery begot to ending the practice as recompense and atonement for every having engaged in the practice in the first place. Imagine one thinking that one deserves a cookie for recognizing their behavior as evil and ceasing the evil. But then one would have to first acknowledge that western empires did not necessarily end slavery, at least not America, as much as they reconstituted it. I guess in your effort to defend Berbalsingh, you missed historically accurate information from Kehinde.
Moreover, both you and Berbalsingh try to appeal to emotion by citing the numbers of White men killed to end slavery in the US, a war that did not have to be fought had it not been for other slave-thirsty Whites who initiated the war to begin with. Not only does this discount the role that descendants of slaves had in signing up for the war to liberate themselves, but it also insinuates that descendants of slaves owe Whites something for FINALLY doing the right thing and maybe, when you build a country on so much injustice, that war becomes an inevitable result. Also, could it be possible that the people who fought in the war would have agreed with reparations? We know at least one of them did because that's how Field Order 15 came to be in the first place.
They should be compensated AND then shipped back.
Shipped back first and payed to never set foot in the West ever again.
I mean super funny but ouch, I like it here
@@andresf.ibarguen7627 In that case I would feel that these dummies are destroying it for you. And it's time to stand up against this nonsense.
I completely agree, and I have some subversive plans in mind
And you back to the caucasoid mountains .
53:42 to 54:02 - The west is the culture that actually implemented the techniques in the right way to make unprecedented technological progress. The west did use slavery to build wealth, which is a common phenomenon not at all unique to them, and was abolished by them long ago because they saw that it was wrong. If it were not for the west's progress, one slave operation among many in history would not have occurred, but the incredible technological progress that allows us all to be so comfortable would also not have happened.
If the west were leaching off slaves to make their operations work, then why did the progress not collapse for the many decades after it was abolished if there was not an intrinsic strength within? Out of the atrocities committed, a better world was realised by these people and the advancements of technology, medicine and government have lifted billions out of abject poverty around the world. The west may have subjected countless lives to misery, but you're forgetting that misery is the typical human condition in all of our history. Only the west changed that, so hold not back in showing me the debt and the patriarchal oppression, the racial supremacy, all of the things the west made worse in the last 500 years, as it is outweighed by the testimonies of billions of human lives saved and nourished by western greatness.
The descendants of slave owners (who were not even born then but are alive today) received over £16 billion in reparations for the abolition of slavery, which took from around 1833 to 2015 to pay. This means today's generations , which includes the descendants of slaves, had to help pay this debt out of their tax money.
And notice how European society is quiet like a church mouse about this. But as soon as black people mention reparations for slavery European society collectively are vocal and loud in their angry agressive and passive agressive opposition filled with hatred.
Reparations is not a hand out but rather an inheritance for the 310 free hard, back breaking labour our ancestors were forced to endure with extreme barbaric violence. Therefore to deny reparations to the descendants of the Trans Atlantic Chattel Slavery Slave Trade makes Europeans the number 1 hypocrite on the planet.
@@mrcjrowe your acting as if black people were the only ones who did work, what about the millions of Irish immigrants who broke their backs building infrastructure across the country for a few dollars a day? The time for reparations was in the 1800s to actual former slaves, now it is simply too late and it is merely giving free stuff to people who’ve done nothing to earn it
We need reparations for listening to weeeeeeh, I want more free hand outs because reeecist, weeeeeeeh
"why did the progress not collapse for the many decades after it was abolished?" -- why didn't the buildings built by slaves just collapse after slavery ended?
"misery is the typical human condition in all of our history. Only the west changed that" -- holy crap you're just ignorant af. not to mention none of what you said is an argument against reparations
@@obiwankenobi3574 "what about the millions of Irish immigrants who broke their backs building infrastructure across the country for a few dollars a day?" LOL are you serious?? or are you just trying to make him mad?
The North-West should pay reparations to the Mid-West: we can't let those Scandinavian nations get away with what the Vikings did!
Furthermore, I am of the opinion that Carthagia should be destroyed.
But the Jews wholely deserve Palestine and funds through the Marshall Plan. Hyprocrisy is fun.
Why are they debating this? The answer is NO.
The answer is ABSOLUTELY reparations should be paid.
@@robertreed9818to whom? By whom?
Slavary is still Happening today. Why don’t they try and stop this now.
I’m black Jamaican and I believe Reparations should NOT be given as they will continue to want it and how and who do you pay.
It’s history LET it stay there.
And this will create a divide.
No reparations are about money because that what you want as your reparation.
right after the non-west will finally have stopped slavery as well, we will sum up all the sins and calculate who owes what to whom.
No we really shouldn't ever do that. It's completly moronic identity politics.
that's called 'the perfect being the enemy of the good', or more likely 'a convenient excuse to do nothing'
What if your mom is black & your dad is white, do you break even?
Mum not mom..pronounce and write correct English. You colonial illegal immigrant rebel
Reparations should be given based on melanin percentage!! :)
50% reduction
As an African, I believe the reparation argument is specious. Slavery for economic reasons was a prevalent condition among all social formations irrespective of race at the time. The Europeans met a favourable condition that allowed them to cart Africans away for labour on the plantations; they met weak African tribes and kingdoms and they took economic advantage.
If the Chinese were weak at contact with Europeans, they would also have enslaved and colonised them.
We must do away with our self-imposed victimhood and mental slavery and&. get to work.
"More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States."
The first slave owner in the south was a black man and his name was Johnson, there were about 3,000 black slave owners (men and women), and how about the people in the North who didn't own slaves, what should we do about the 700,000 men who died in the civil war to fee the slaves, do their ancestors deserve reparations, so even the Americans who never owned slaves and had ancestors who lost their lives fighting to free the slaves, should pay reparations, you should have done this over 200 years ago, anyone who was a slave or had slaves or died in the civil are dead, and that's where reparations should be.
I was born a Slav in Eastern Europe and I am a Briton. The very word ‘slave’ those asking for an apology or reparations use comes from ‘Slav’ because for centuries most slaves in Europe were Slavs and they were usually enslaved by people with darker skin (Arabs, later the Ottomans). The Slavs did not enslave anybody. Yet they want me to apologize (because the British government represents me since I am a British citizen and the government will apologize on my behalf too) for enslaving somebody’s ancestors although my ancestors never enslaved anybody.
Ha Ha ,and they said comedy was dead.
that fat chick who is dressed as a pirate was well worth laughing at
You havent even watched the whole thing
Katherine is one hell of a woman. If only we had more women like her, the world would be a much better place.
Really weak debate. The Guyanese woman was the most logical. Reparations are useless. Those that live now in the West won the lottery. The life they get to live is better than anything they would have had if their ancestors weren't brought over as slaves. The only way forward is to stop worrying about past wrongs and past on how to succeed and help their children to succeed.
The Latin root is - repair. Does anyone really believe that giving money to select people for something that happened before they were alive is going to repair anything?
Many Slaves were captured slavers themselves.
How are they weeded out?
West Africa was the world's largest slaver 800 years before Slavery in America.
It still is today.
I am not responsible for, nor will I ever consider atoning for, things that other people did before I was born. I can't even believe I have to confirm to other adults what every child knows by instinct.
Half way through and no mention as yet of the modern slave trade, or stopping it, or reperations for living slaves.
Of course not, that would require courage.
Deflection
That is another issue.
@@gbrown9694 then why the hell are we focusing on slaves hundreds of years ago rather than actual current slaves?
@@obiwankenobi3574 are these things mutually exclusive? No they are not.
How would this work in the real world? My niece married a black man, so my grand nephew, with the same blood line as me, would get an extra piece of turkey at our next Thanksgiving dinner? Or maybe just half a leg, as his ancestors were only slaves on one side?
By outlawing laws that hinders blacks from getting wealth. Like redlining. A lot of black ppl live in apartments with families who were turned down for a home but a white guy can get the same house with same credit
@@JaySantanaofficial red lining has been outlawed since the 1968, are u a time traveler?
@@JaySantanaofficial maybe they were turned down from homes due to bad credit or insufficient funds, but NAHH, it’s probably racism
yea half makes sense
@dafi0 North Korea is a theocracy, but your point is good
Can the British get reparations from the Roman Empire for the slavery we endured? Can the white European community get some from the Turk empire who enslaved millions? Didn’t think so 😂
I don't understand. We want to force people to pay for the sins of their ancestors? And we're confused why there's so much division?
@Neach ie And do you want these reparations paid to anybody who is black or only those who can prove ancestry from a chattel slave?
It might be easiest in the US where black Americans of chattel slave ancestry are a defined social group with their own neighbourhoods who have rarely mixed with immigrants from Africa or other ethnicities (indeed most of the theory and ideology of race focused on the Black American ethnic group, and has now started to be applied more generally by groups who don't share the same history), but in Europe most of the black people are more recent arrivals and not descendants of chattel slavery at all. You could maybe single out those of Caribbean ancestry in the UK for reparations also but it would require a process of proving ones ancestry.
Is this what you are talking about or are you talking about a reparation scheme for black-skinned people more generally?
well we get to keep our ancestors' money, so it seems to make sense to me
The moderator was poor, I hate debates that don't give people time to speak. Katherine made the best points, the other woman is crazy and Kehinde is so annoying. Not one bit about how they think reparations should be paid apart from seemingly stealing a company ie that angry point the woman made about British companies.
@kalunda He didn't say anything about how he thinks repatriations should be done.
@Markheef Dessal lol no chance
I don't believe you can prove that someone has an obligation to pay atonement for a crime they never committed. But for the sake of argument, even if we accept the highly flawed premise of one race owing something to another, the idea that government would implement the system properly is wishful thinking. They've already offered reparations in a certain sense via the welfare system, and the only thing it accomplished thus far is the destabilization of the black family (turns out incentivizing single parent households does not help a group become industrious). So with all that considered I have to say that it's an untenable idea. You can't defend it morally, plus you can't come up with an objective metric to determine who is owed what, and for how long.
The welfare system is not reparations even partly. The welfare system is not based on race.
Did I miss something what was the result of the vote ?
I'm wondering the same. I think they edited out the results of the vote on purpose
Karl Stevens , we cannot have that vote. We cannot run the risk of getting an answer that doesn’t fit the narrative they are pushing.
Ms Singh, you've been picked and primed for the role to debate against reparations, but after hearing Kehinde speak the truth, that you yourself said you believe in, why didn't you just sit yourself down and declare to the audience that you had nothing to say in opposition. You could have saved yourself time and embarrassment by doing that, instead you carried on with your vacuous waffling.brief, picking around in the aftermath embers of the bomb that Kehinde dropped, to try and assemble some counter argument from pieces that have been blown to smithereens and no amount of gorilla glue can stick them together again.
Let's not forget that no other nation on the history of this planet had tried to ban the international slave trade until Great Britain decided to have a go and put it's vast power behind it and enforce it on Europeans, Africans and Arabs which certainly wasn't very popular with many leaders but Britain had all the cards.
I can't tell which side you are arguing for.
That argument is annoying as hell...they ended slavery just to move onto colonization?? So what TF do you want a gold medal or sth!!???
In 1416, the Republic of Dubrovnik passed a law prohibiting the slave trade.
Ideas like this, thought processes like this are a terrible disgrace. Likely, these points of view will have highly problematic consequences.
Yep more racial tension and racism from both sides.
The argument for reparations is so ridiculous and absurd, that I can only conclude that those arguing for it, are agent provocateurs for the Marxist Putsch, sowing division to forward an ulterior agenda.
The moderator is so biased. It really made the second half of the debate unwatchable for me.
Notice how she said "we" when she was talking about receiving reparations... as if she doesnt want something out of it
My Ancestors migrated from Morocco later in the 19th centuries (1870's) to get away from a very repressive Islamic society, had little to no rights. Their property was basically stolen, and the justice system was rigged against them, so they left to Holland.
The motion, and the speakers for the motion I think make a great case for the people and the country of Morocco paying me reparations for what their ancestors did to my ancestors.
They stole their property, taxed at higher rates, overall treated more then badly. So badly that they were forced to leave their homeland
When are they gonna stop whining and victimise themselves for something they didnt experience? Probably never......
I thought this was supposed to be called "Intelligence" Squared?
Along with financial reparations, will they want to be repatriated to their native lands?
Yes!
@Lu' Nier' It will never happen. So put those guns away lol.
Yeah, at about 29:00, Ms. Stanford-Xosei cites an international law case that says "reparation must, as far as possible, wipe out all the consequences of the illegal act, and re-establish the situation which would in all probability would have existed if that act had not been committed." In all probability, in the absence of slavery the vast majority of descendants of Africans enslaved in the US would not be living in the US. Of course, this comment from me, a white person, will be interpreted as a racist call to send Black people back to Africa, even though it's Ms. S-X who's calling for it. And she doesn't even seem to know that this is the import of the case she's citing.
Correction: She does list repatriation among her long list of proposed forms of reparation. I wonder how many modern American blacks would accept the offer of a free one-way ticket to Africa?
@@Linda43 it will never happen because of racist like yourself who don't respect the black race. Even Jews were given a stolen country
Where are the results from this debate they cut the the video before the numbers were counted and revealed ?
They gave reparations to descendants of slave owners but the descendants of the slaves should just move on and forget about it. Typical
be cause slaves were not American citizens! slave owners were
@@salamjihad3449let's not forget the u.s government sent billions of my tax dollars to Israel and Ukraine but they won't send it to the people who struggle in the wealth gap due to 400 years and segregation from our ancestors in slavery. They gave reperations to the native Americans and to Israel but when it always comes to black people its always something right? The only reperations we got was the destruction of our communities we built before ww2 and segregation and systemic racism.
billions of dollars have been spent on the wealth gap due to segregation , schools were built to accomadate people of color. jobs were created, prisons were built to accomodate them. now there is now wealth gap . go to school get a job become a part of society. @@Azrael3176
@@Azrael3176 if people want to have children out of wedlock and expect them to become wealthy with no moral compass or father figure ,staying in school etc then you want to government to pay for that gap? what about the asians and whites who have a wealth gap? give them free money too? its not about the color of your skin its about working for your money.. there is no segregation now ! there is no slavery now !! everyone has the same chance to go and make money. if we dont have children out of wedlock and respect ourselves like asians and whites
yes ! we should forget about it. move on ! why should people who had nothing to do with slavery give their hard earned tax money to others who had nothing to do with slavery?
A ridiculous idea... Get over it.
The lady who spoke second made the most sense of all.
Can the Irish get reparations for slavery? How about for better reparations for the Japanese who were interned during WWII? Did not you realize that they had their lands confiscated here in the US? Also I think the Middle East should pay reparations to Central Europe for all the slaves they took out of there! And for those they took out of Africa!
Is it too late to send them back?
Your a racist! Giving them reparations is the right thing to do. After all slavery ended many years ago. These people were never slaves, pay them because they suffered by learning a historic event. It makes sense to me.
sure, sounds good. the money's still there after all
The lady who spoke said most of the things i have argued about. As a black person i am so overjoyed at what she said. Truth hurts indeed but this truth must be told. She told the truth while the first guy simply gave pub talk
The Afro Indian woman's arguments are poor at best. If she claims reparations is part of a victim mentality and should be opposed. Then why doesn't she apply that same logic to Ashkenazi Jews, Japanese Americans, Armenians and worst yet the ex slave owners in the Caribbean, members of these groups either demanded and got reparations or are still demanding reparations. Did the French play the victim card by placing a hefty fine (reparation) on Haiti for daring 2 revolt against slavery?! No other group has made an entire industry and nation off their past suffering like the Ashkenazi Jews despite their unparalleled success in the US, what is her opinion on them?!
Maybe she does? that was not a part of this debate.
Screaming lady is just being emotional because she knows she cannot win with arguments that are academic.
Reparations? The best reparation is really two words. Never again! But we continue to find ways to hate and hurt each other so there'll never be enough money for reparation because we find a way to hate because of race, religion, sexuality, weight, sexism, mysogeny, lack of citizenship. There isn't enough money to make up for those dislikes that keep on in perpetuity because we don't like harmony and getting along. If those things stopped and never happened again that would be reparations. Acting better to people is more lasting than monetary reparation.
Please notify me when our government intends to pay reparations. I plan on buying massive amounts of stock in Cadillac automobile, Courvorsier Cognac and Rap recording labels.
Jesus I’m glad I scrolled this far
Foot locker
Must be wonderful having such little IQ
Christ, the two on the left are pandering so hard to the crowd.
Why are people losing their minds at the fact this debate exclusively addresses the trans-atlantic slave trade? How are they supposed to effectively develop a specific argument if they’re discussing every slave trade which ever existed?
Lol bcuz the trans-Atlantic trade is the only one these guys give a damn about… I wonder why 🤔
This is just a long drawn out frustration that is due to the refusal to recognize that disparities are not caused by historical circumstances, group differences are the norm and rates of "success" will always be disparate among groups