Do NOT Draw Your Gun Until You Do This First | CCW Techniques for Drawing During a Fight
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- Drawing your concealed carry weapon while a person is actively assaulting you is not a high percentage solution. You have to get control of a person's hands and posture through wrestling and grappling.
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Would you ever create a seminar course on this subject?
@@TheCCBoi Definitely not anytime soon. There are guys who do it better and I don't have anything proprietary to add. I think that the best seminars on this subject are currently those taught by Craig Douglas of Shivworks aka southnarc. I would suggest strongly that if you are interested in learning this stuff you look for him.
Thank you for addressing comment section warrior things in your videos 😂
@@hard2hurt Glad I read this comment, I was going to ask if you'd ever heard of Southnarc, since his training focuses on ECQC/grappling methods to get to your weapon.
I'm sold
That intro was hilarious
I spit my water out in laughter haha
It was
absolutely important to practice: physical fitness, martial arts, firearms; no single discipline is enough on it's own. you need all three.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Well -that's- no fun.
Next you'll be saying that hard work is the only magic trick, bigger guys hit harder, guns aren't magic wands and situational awareness is important.
The hell with that. Sounds like work.
Good list, and i would add learning street smarts, body language and verbal judo to that list; they won't help you in a fight, but they will help you recognize and deescalate many situations that could lead to a fight.
@@ReCharredSigh Or recognize and avoid a situation before it becomes a fight.
I would add proper running technique and proper knowledge of the law appliable to self defense situations were you live.
I love this. Most of the gun people I know think it's like a magical totem that gives you the ability to fight, it's annoying. You gotta strategize with it just like any other tool.
Yeah like carrying guns gives them magical powers like spidey-sense, where they'll never get sucker punched or ambushed with a knife. Most of them probably have never even trained to draw from concealment under live resistance from close quarters. They think they can shoot static paper targets on the range means they are automatically a bad ass 🙄
I literally know some woman who go into places that they shouldn't because they have a gun..m.
@@gregquinn7817 Do tell O_o
Literally DECADES of only the most intensive, disciplined, committed movie watching has trained me to know that all I need to survive, actually thrive, CONQUER in a violent situation, is to have some kind of pistol, and to have a significant other killed next time. Possibly even just threatened. *BAM* music plays, I'm john wick.
That's just science.
EXACT SAME PERSON: "Yeah I need to file a report about my stolen pistol that was left inside my car in the center console or even in obvious sight, I have no idea how it went missing or got stolen....." 😶😒🤬🤦🏽♂️🖕🏽
Well said! 👍
"Are you worried about a headlock?" "No I got my..." say leg muscles, say it. "hiiiups in"
I used my butt!
I was absolutely waiting for "LAYG MOSLES!" hahahaa
*Justifies my inability to fight by proclaiming my ability to fight with Medieval Weaponry*
Shadiversity has entered the chat
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Skall and Metatron also have entered the chat.
Well,Metatron is a Kyokushin and an ex military,so he definetly has experience.
I think Skall also has experience in unarmed martial arts. Dunno about Shad tho.
Ok attack me, Nate proceeds to rag doll Mike lol
😂 in the ground
Like a real take down he says. Proceeds to remember nate can absolutely do it
Lol that cracked me tf up
@@BrennanCh06 it was so instant. It perfectly comedic
For the algorithm
Engaging with audience.
engaging with the engagement.
Positive engagement! 🤘🏼
@@hard2hurt discussion
random insult with unclear target, moron
I feel like some people heard Icy Mike saying he's had 4 people try to pull a weapon on him during a fight and thought "okay tough guy, you're lying." For those uninformed, he used to be a police officer.
Sometimes I forget to qualify that because I have the mentality of when I'm teaching a class or seminar and people already know that... sometimes it's because it sounds like bragging.
@@hard2hurt You should start acting like a cop, come across more boring and stop making people laugh. No one would believe u. Fun videos Mike. I fear you will run out of ideas one day.
Thought if I read further into the comments I’d find out how he was able to get into four situations where he had weapons pulled on him.
Great video. I haven't been in a situation with a firearm, but with a knife several times. It's really common for people to try to pull a weapon when they realize things aren't going their way.
It’s always a good day when Hard2Hurt uploads
Craig Douglas of Shivworks ECQC stuff is amazing when it comes to this. Extremely realistic and down to earth. I train his stuff a lot with firearms and edged weapons as well as carry one of his Clinch Picks. Also using a thumb pectoral index with your firearm will minimize almost all self inflicted wounds when deploying your firearm in a grapple because it keeps the firearm high and angles it down.
Ah damn- I just posted a comment about this too and did not realize you already had. In any case, thumbs up for mentioning Craig Douglas' ECQC and Clinch Pick.
Definitely, shoutout to the south narc
He is easily the best in the game at teaching this stuff.
@@hard2hurt Mike, did you get a chance to do ECQC yet?
That was actually my first thought, the clinch pick.
Bro that take down in the intro got me dead lmao
Almost got me dead
@@hard2hurt
"just shoot him"
- that one youtube commenter about to get his nape slammed to the ground while trying to draw and get a shot
"Shoot a real takedown"
*Gets ragdolled 😂😂😂
Whoops
Got permission and took it!
😂
Minus points from Gracies for that get up without base.
Noooooo he wasn't ready.
Wrestling is such an important skill to have for self defense. Its obsurd how many people in the martial arts world completely disregard wrestling completely.
Lmao what serious person would disregard wrestling
@@Ultrablockman101 People who play patty cake with 10oz gloves.
"I'd just stand up, bro!"
Who would disregard ? People with guns. No one I know with a gun (other than vets like myself) either train with their weapons or do ANY kind of martial arts training.
It doesn't matter why gun fu works for smaller fighters, Mike. None of that applies to you. Cause you're already hard to hurt.
..... I'll see myself out.
I heard my theme music!
@@hard2hurt please look hojutsu for no reason than for another part of history involving firearms and martial arts.
@@hard2hurt its the reason oddjob from goldeneye 007
As always, awesome information. Best, personally, was when you disengaged, created space/ distance, and transitioned from the pistol and back to "empty handed " techniques. I read it as once the threat of life was reduced so was the response. Text book folks. Mike ain't lying here!!!!
For the algorithm. Excellent video, the first minute alone explains so much.
For the record, the fact that i know i suck at wrestling is why i still like revolvers.
There's a phrase I heard Mike Seeklander say once that has completely stuck with me: you have to earn your draw. If you've been attacked, odds are you are starting behind in the OODA loop. You are going to have to fight your way to getting your gun out to use it for your benefit and not theirs.
First; amazing video and very much appreciated. Second, I think I remember Mike being a former LE and that just might be affecting his training here. As an outsider, looking at this scenario, what we have is two men fighting, when one suddenly escalates the situation by using lethal force. Maybe lethal force justification is assumed here. And I am certainly not a lawyer. but using a weapon as a LE officer might be justified; not so sure if it was two civilians in a street fight. This is not a criticism, just an observation, and a legitimate question. Thanks again for the information.
Yeah the justification is a separate issue. There are a bunch of variables, and it's true they are different for LE or non-LE. I probably should have at least given a little lip service to the "assuming we are justified in lethal force" idea.
This is one of the most valuable grappling videos I've seen. H2H, you and your crew are on point.
Wrestling is a great self defense tool. Head control, takedown defense, clinching, plus you can really use your fitness level to your advantage.
Self defense against 1 person. If you have a gun, why the hell would you wanna wrestle?
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 you don’t want to wrestle but the bad guy can close 20 feet and beat the hell out of you before you can draw and fire. Anyone who thinks having a gun is the end all be all of self defense has never been in a real fight.
@@lantzembry451 this is the streets we're talking about. Not a wrestling mat. You wouldn't do anything except eat lead. From your 20 feet
@@lantzembry451 and then I'll citizens arrest thy corpse after for assaulting me.
@@therealdrhankmccoy5047 oh. You’re one of those.
The funniest thing about this is I think the GRacies have been saying this about grappling for like.... over 20 years now?
8:05 this is a good point, a lot of people think having the headlock means youre winning but if you watch a lot of footage of real fights you see that the person in the headlock almost always dumps the other guy on the ground and wrecks him
If someone tries to headlock you like that (and you have your closest leg behind theirs) then you are actually the one in the superior position
as shown by many old school judo and jiujitsu dudes
That double in the beginning was awesome.👌 🤣
Yesssssss.
Far too many people have no idea how important knowing when to transition to your weapon and when not to is...
To use wrestling in a “punny” way... sometimes you can just shoot right off the bat. Sometimes you have to strike a little first and then shoot. You have to know when your opponent has stifled your attempt to shoot... and how to not get so committed to shooting or in a bad situation as a result of being determined to shoot that you get knocked out or choked out...
It is like any other technique in your arsenal. Sometimes you have to recognize when it’s the wrong time to go for it. Went to abandon it after you’ve gone for it. And how to set it up.
This can be predicated on your environment how much for them to move you have and so on.
Great stuff Mr Mike. (I’m assuming Icy is your first name)
That opening was hilarious!
Icy Mike: *gives good advice
Keyboard Warriors: “That’s dumb, what if...”
Icy Mike: “Okay I’m gonna go over this again, you let me know where I lost you”
another pro for using a revolver when in a scuffle. semi autos will not fire when the slide is slightly out of battery when pushing the gun against someone and pulling the trigger.
I appreciate the realness and entertainment at the same time expert level teaching
Were you a cop? I was a cop and we practiced this. Not only does it work while in plain clothes, but it works in uniform as well. Great damn job man! Love it!
I love this video amazing job. 👏❤ Use to help with police disarming training with my instructor years back.
I was all excited to mention head position, but then damn it you mentioned it at the end! Best part about all of this is it transfers over to edged weapons too.
Also, "just shhot 'em in the leg."
What I learned from this video: get yourself a training partner ready to toss your ass into the woods at a moment's notice. Only way to learn.
your a serious dude, Mike!
nice upload!
That grip you used on the under hook (money grip) / arm trap is STRONG
My little brother is a big palooka and it works quite well from trapping the arm. Even with 1 arm!
When he went for the takedown he grabbed Mike and legend has it they now own a house together ❤
The dude looks like he sees Icy Mike as quite the role model. That's good for a young'un.
@@evanfiend What?
@@TheSinsOfAvarice97 The dude looks like he sees Icy Mike as quite the role model. That's good for a young'un.
@@evanfiend Oh, word. I literally had just woken up at that tkme
Thanks Mike! 35+ years fighting experience, but only months firearm ownership...this is needed and timely!
This is an EXTREMELY important concept, I am usually armed, but started taking a martial art "to survive until I can get to the gun" unfortunately the one that I chose was Kung Fu (a local school that's very good for Kung Fu, but absolute trash at something like self-defense or grappling in a real world sense, none of the 'self-defense' classes had any resistance at all, it was always full compliance.) The problem that a weapon poses both for the attacker and victim is something that you alluded to @5:15, and Bas Rutten specifically stated, you said "we're fighting, it's a fight" as in it's not going to always go as planned so learn to think. Bas Rutten put it more directly but I can't remember the exact wording so paraphrasing 'if you choose to fight, you have to be ready for the reality that sometimes you will lose.' I think it's important to think before going for the weapon, once you escalate your threat to that level you can expect your attacker to fight harder and pull tricks just as you are attempting to. So I think it would be best to attempt to make your attacker relax a bit before going for the weapon rather than attempting to get to it while they're in full attack mode.
Know what else works? Diplomacy and diffusion techniques, such as being a normal human.
@@evanfiend If you have the option, by all means please try diplomacy, nothing beats avoiding a fight entirely.
We're talking about the reality that sometimes diplomacy isn't an option, either your attacker comes in before you can so much as speak, or they're making unreasonable demands. If you live on the same planet that I do you know that it happens (particularly if your attacker is an addict, good luck reasoning with a heroin addict experiencing the early stages of withdrawal, and that's from real-world experience.)
@@msihcs8171 The only people I have been attacked by are my parents. I don't know anyone who has been randomly attacked, either. I don't doubt it happens, I just have never seen or heard of any proof.
@@evanfiend Then you live a VERY fortunate life, as do I. I've only had a few encounters that had me in a protect mode. Mostly getting my niece away from her parents (who are both dead now from heroin overdoses, her father's is a little suspicious like there might have been foul play involved.) There are some, however who are not as fortunate, and I don't take mine for granted, I enlisted at 18 as a thank you to all of my fellow veterans for that peace, and my freedoms (not saying that anyone else has to, it was something that I chose to do.)
We live in such an amazing and peaceful time in history that some people have never seen a fight outside of a television, or a movie, or a classroom environment where self defense is being taught.
"Booyakah booyakah who brings it straight to ya'!" ... I'm ded ☠️
Bring it straight to ya! Thanks Mike
You have a great way of making things funny while being serious 😂
Don't always agree with everything you say but this video is absolutely OnPoint 100%
Been doing bjj for like 7 months and got my brother in law into it. He is a huge gun guy, and he said one of the reasons he wants to do bjj is because "a gun is an app, grappling is the operating system". I think that makes a lot of sense.
Love this stuff
Smart and sensible approach. This is what makes your content great
Such a good video. Really. You continue to make great counter points for all those idiots that don't wanna train
I nearly jumped out of my seat when you got dumped into the shadow realm there I thaught my man was dead 😂
Great video Mike, managing to keep it real as fuck, entertaining, funny and informative
1:34 what do you mean? I always use my best Chael Sonnen voice on unsuspecting civilians
Good one 😂
Looks like Icy Mike been training again with Shivworks. Good force on force techniques.
Yeah he did the ewo a month or two ago.
He's the best
I like that your product placement doesn't affect the content. Some guys make it the main course instead of the seasoning.
Well... we do some of that too lol.
Hilarious, yet super useful. Thanks for the content.
Now I don’t carry or anything, looking to start here soon so videos like yours are really helpful for a fella like me yeah lol. This may sound stupid, but I’ve heard people say they don’t keep their gun loaded when carrying. You might not have time to load the gun in a scramble, so shouldn’t it already be loaded? The second you leave ya house. Might be something good to bring up in future videos to for those that don’t
Those people are stupid.
Strong analysis of the position. Good points, sir.
Great video and I appreciate you teaching important lessons like these as they are incredibly realistic!
Hi Mike I binged all your videos, you make great content ;)
We need Jay!
I really like the approach and I've found it really important to know when and where the draw takes place as well as to be able to defend the attack first until there's space and opportunity for a change. My only comment on the shooting your own arm thing is this - sure, in the actual situation, it's not going to hold high priority. But the benefit of training is that you can make those things a priority during that exercise. If you can work out effective ways that greatly mitigate the threat of you shooting your own arm... then train those. Why wouldn't you? I just don't think it's making best use of the training if you're dismissing or ignoring that as a factor from the get go. With that said I'm sure you don't train in a way that completely disregards it as a factor.
Actually Shuai Chiao which is Chinese wrestling is a type of Kung Fu. We practice it with and without jacket. I personally have pressure tested my martial art against Judokas, Jiujiteros and western wrestlers with success.
Shuai Jiao is real shit, and I've competed against it (I'm a wrestler& judoka) but you got to admit calling it or sanda "kung fu" is a huge stretch. Y'all compete, have open sparring, do resisted training and everything else 90% of kung fu schools _don't_do.
Y'all are Chinese -wrestlers- much more than Kung Fu practitioners.
Still. It's cool stuff.
MOAR GRAPPLING AND WRESTLING VIDS PLZZZ
i wish i could conceal and carry legally!! Awesome and on point as usual.
The end of that intro caught me ALL the way off guard, and when it did I could NOT stop laughing LOL
Love this!!! I will pass this on to my students...
Pretty good 🧊 Mike, great information, thanks for the tips
Don’t shoot your dingus off
Did you ever try the Clinch pick? It’s a knife made for those kinds of close quarters grapples. And it does have a trainer version.
Appendix Carry?!?! Looks like u finally made the switch! 👍
Still trying it out.
This is very much an armchair perspective, since I've never practised this, but I think there's a middle ground to be found re. shooting your own arm. I think it's a valid concern, since the point of practising self-defence is to get hurt as little as possible, but it's also one that's very easily addressed, because it's the kind of thing that you should notice in training. If you're seriously practising using a handgun in close quarters, it seems to me that the spatial awareness to know that you're not gonna poke holes in your forearm should be reasonably simple, though probably not easy, to develop. It's not the same, but my HEMA club teaches a single-handed sword system that uses a lot of grappling, and it's really not too difficult to learn not to take your free hand off with the sword.
I’ve got long ass arms so that little behind the back lock is easy 😊
I just figured out why I struggle lol.
Smart stuff. We always say that we don't want a gunfight to be a draw. When you're wrestling for a gun you don't even know if it's going to be a draw yet. Go for the gun and try to get a good shot on center mass and a head--Even if your arm is in the background.
"Booyaka, booyaka, who brings it straight to ya?" LOL Never heard that before. haha Love the channel and learning how to be "Hard2Hurt!" Thanks guys!
Hmm, if you're good enough to bind him up with one arm and you have an arm free, do you even need the gun?
Maybe
Nobody is going to trap like that anyone with experience.
Maybe. Maybe not.
@@OldBadger1 it happens in training, sparring, competition and combat, between and against opponents of all levels. Maybe just go practice if you want to know what is actually possible.
@@OldBadger1 i do look down on people who say things that are patently false when the correct information is readily available... especially when it's to criticize. I am looking down at you for that. It was a stupid thing to do.
Icy Mike Coin, straight to the moon
I was always taught to "earn your draw" good luck folk
That initial take down scared the shit out of me.
You? What about me lol.
Hope I never find myself in this situation. If so I will fight with 110% of myself never give up let chips fall where they may. Such a bad scenario because at first the guy doesn’t know you have a gun and then while you’re fighting it automatically becomes life snd death because you don’t want him to get your gun. Indeed a worst case situation for someone who conceal carries. Great video keep them coming.
I always worry about my weapon becoming vulnerable in an attack.I also carry a Kerambit in case the gun misfires or I can't get to my gun.
Excellent video, and thank you.
I'm definitely going to share this, especially on (dumb!) comments whenever somebody says, "Oh I'll just shoot the guy."
Yep, you have to clear the weapon safely first(!), and sometimes that means you have to know some hand combat skills like this, in order to safely get that gun out.
I wish there was a way I can heart emoticon this video😁, so you'll just have to settle for a "like."
All important stuff also carry a dagger 🗡️, use the secondary weapon to get to the primary weapon
that was a hell of a conceal, i was like OH SHIT when you first drew the gun
like, shoot for a real taked-RFSWESHDAUCH
that was *priceless* mike, thank you
Are you like 5’8”? 5’7”? You fight really well regardless, which makes it that much cooler. I will say though. That takedown was fantastic.
Holy shit talk about timing! I just had a guy (new student of about 6 months) yesterday pull the "I'd just shoot him" card. Long story short he has a much deeper respect for learning hand to hand combat for personal protection in addition to concealed carry. Guns can be a great tool for self protection but like all other tools its useless if you dont train to use it. Nice vid.
When and how do you decide when to shoot and when to subdue
Edit: obviously if you have the option to subdue do it, but when is the point of no return when does your brain so okay I got to shoot.
Have the same holster. Love it, and wear it every day(minus the extra mag). Intro was dope btw, hope he put you down nicely 😂
EDIT: Saw the jump back to the landing, so it was nice enough lol
Good video! If Nate is attacking you good luck 😂
I’m curious now how beneficial having two guns in different locations would be in this scenario now. lol
So if one gun is inaccessible or being wrestled, you can grab the second one.
Excessive, sure, but I haven’t seen anyone test if that would make things easier or not yet.
Everybody needs to see this video
Wow mike... you have a ... clean stroke... Zing🧐
ummm...
Hey man can you do a video like this with Nate having a knife. I think it’s a different game when he’s really trying to stab
I don’t know how to properly quantify or validate my own opinion in some non douche TH-cam commenter way. Seriously though, this is the kind video content that feels more familiar and what gives me the happy feels. Missed this. Just felt like the right energy that made me a subscriber in the first place
I have to balance things. It's hard and I will likely never get it right... but there's a very razor thin line between making videos that reflect the core values of this channel and those that feed my kids lol.
@@hard2hurt totally get it and I know feeding the kids has to be a priority to anyone worth a damn. Can’t imagine the stress trying to walk that tightrope so respect for that on its own. We may differ in certain interests but I do value your insights and recognize sometimes it might mean a video wasn’t meant for me. Really, just wanted to tell you that this stuff is seen and appreciated by at least this subscriber. Keep up the good work, wish the best to you and your family as well as sharing what’s in that shinny head of yours haha. Much love man
0:45 me when someone stands in the doorway nonstop talking lol.
John Wich shit nice
After watching this video I am now thinking that a collab between you guys and Warrior Poet Society would be awesome! They did a video on drawing a firearm from concealment during grappling as well and I think between H2H and WPS we could get some really good quality instruction. What do yall think?
That intro! 😆
It's odd that there's people that will jump straight to worst case scenarios, but won't accept having to learn to fight empty hand for the scenario of having to fight your way to your sidearm, lol
Same people that go to cryo therapy and red light therapy but won't lift weights lol
"I will do absolutely anything you want me to that does not involve me sweating, spending too much money, or looking like I'm not cool."
If you have the underhook, what about just hip tossing and drawing while he gets up?
Mike I like the overhook. That is a very legit wrestling move. The underhook is horrible. That is way to hard to get. Your better off doing a throw by to clear space. You kind of show that but I go for that to clear space from a under hook.
I guess your best way to survive an altercation is to wrestle out of the close combat. Immediate full guard to butterfly sweep, get up and create distance then draw; sacrifice throws over your back (Sumi gaeshi) and once on top immediately create distance once again... I don't know, you have to overwhelm your attacker to earn that precious time. What might be better is to always stay in that yellow / orange state of situational awareness and be ready to sprawl once they shoot your legs 🤣
Carrying a firearm without wrestling background seems so foolish to me. You just don't understand how many opportunities (and vulnerabilities) there are. Good video.
This is my favorite video.