Dan , great job as usual ! My fav GCN show. Would have enjoyed hearing a bit more kudos to Powless - after that 40k winning effort Thursday he was 8th at Lombardia. Cheers
Dan Lloyd is pretty much the most analytical and thoughtful commentator on cycling…what Discovery took him off the race comes team for I have no idea…..so glad he’s the main voice on GCN.
@@oggicorriamo7267 not soo, Stephens is still there... He chose to go with the original owners far as I know 🤷♂️ - whom he knows very well ie has part ownership as he started it, the very 1st video
@@leedorney but Stephens left GCN as they didn’t want him commentating on Eurosport/ Discovery , I believe when it was originally owned by original owners🤔😊
@@oggicorriamo7267 MS said on video he didn't want to keep doing what he was because he was getting older & riding was a problem for him with the commentary commitments so made a decision on that, from what I seen ? either way Warner have bagged viewer rights over itv, ja hear about that? on 2025 or 2026
One factor contributing to Pog's success was the lack of mechanical failure. I can think of only one incident requiring support from the team car (puncture and fall at the Giro Stage 2, which he then won).
@@tonyg3091you mean Jonas? He's another cheat add him to the list. I call bs on a lot of these performances. I'll bide my time and come back in 5 or 10 years when they get caught
@@robertgreenwood6940if you actually believe this, you’re also assuming Visma and most other top riders are as well. So, why bother caring? Either watch and enjoy the sport or don’t. Kinda seems like all the people crying about PEDs (with no proof) aren’t enjoying themselves very much. Plenty of other sports out there, man. Alternatively, you could go outside.
Zoe's ride in the Simac has been unreal and deserves ALL the kudos, pure grit - I can't wait to see her and Cat Ferguson race next season (among all the other incredible women also!)
The best place for the Pidcock to go would be EF imo. Would be supported in different disciplines and would like be a leader for big one day races and some grand tours.
Not to dismiss Pogačar's amazing season, but Mathieu van der Poel has had a few good ones as well. In 2010-2011, his win rate was an even 100%. However, it was 2019 which was his best year. Mountain biking: 10 wins from 12 starts. Cyclocross: 12 wins from 13 starts. Road: 11 wins from 31 starts including Amstel Gold, Tour of Britain, and Dwars door Vlaanderen. Talk about a long season!
@@goargoride You seem to be conveniently forgetting his dominance in Cyclocross, Gravel and competitiveness in MTB...a little harder to be that wide-ranging at the World Tour Men's Elite level.
Crash in 4th stage Basque Coutry... That is all i have to say... i am from Slovenia, Tadej Pogačar is a cycling god for me... but even i have to addmit, that 4th stage in Basque had a HUGE PLAY in 2024 season without it, 2024 would not be as "easy" as it had been... GCN chanel... i wish you as Tina would say... SIMPLY THE BEST!!! 😘😉
@6:08 thats why I really wish he would have tried for the real triple of doing all 3 grand tours this year. If he had tried it and succeeded but then his form dropped the following year and he found it hard to regain, he might blame doing too much this year. However, if he gets sick or injured or his form takes a turn or the competition ups their game to where he can never try to do the triple, he will wish he would have at least tried it. I know I would have. Make Hay While the Sun Shines, as they say
So glad to hear you again Dan, finally got around to checking GCN youtube out. Subbed and liked! Always enjoyed your style of delivery, glad to see you are doing well. See you next week!
Three years ago Si and Olie made a video about a road bike time trial in which Si had to average 370 watts to go 30 mph for ten miles in order to do 10 miles in 20 minutes. Pogi says that he can do 340 watts in zone 2 with a heart rate of 140 bpm. He can do this for 5 hours in training. This must be a huge advantage for him when decides to put in a hard effort. When everyone else is suffering he is having a good time. No one can go with him because they are already spent.
I’m not a Pidcock fan but no one should be treated like that. This is a job, in your workplace you are not demeaned in front of others. Poor form Ineos.
@@DeborahH78Deborahh78 Except in nearly every job your employer will very much be dictating what projects you work on. Whether you take that personally is a you problem
(At least one famous) Football manager used tell players in advance if he wanted to support them, and simultaneously with everyone ahead of the match if they were sending a “I’m the boss and you are taking the mick” message.
@@whatwelearneda good employer shouldn’t really “Dictate “ .Usually the best results come from a collaboration between employer and employee . It is of course the right of the management team to deselect a rider . The way this was done on the team bus places Team Ineos in a very poor light. It’s so unprofessional and maybe throws a bit of light on the rather more deep routed issues that have been allowed to manifest within the team?
Cheers Dan... The q is really what would piss Senior Management off to such a display of power? Ffs they are paying him a fortune to race his bike, but they also have the power to pull the plug. Must be really miffed.
When it comes to someone being able to beat Pogacar’s accomplishments, the golden rule in sport is ‘never say never.’ I’m certain people thought we’d never see those old records broken, then it was Pogacar who ended up breaking them. We should appreciate the greatness on display now, but never forget that greatness in sport comes from overcoming challenges, and Pogacar’s dominance might be the crucible that forges the next great talent.
I recall thinking that Egan Bernal was going to be unstoppable with ineos. Then sadly injury really changed his career. Ineos seemed to go downhill with this really. In a way it was admirable they stuck by him so much and always hoped for a full return to form, perhaps thats what left the door open so to speak.
He shouldn't have won the TDF, that was handed to him on a plate with the whole stage with snow, G was a gent and very professional, but privately he must have been seething. I'd liken it to when Verstappen 'beat' Lewis to his 8th World title, should never have happened.
I go back to Team Sky when it seemed like they used every legal advantage that money could buy and were always consistently dominant whenever they turned up. Was never a fan of that style as it felt like the giant was crushing those in it's way. Now I wonder if those in charge simply can't handle the fact that they have received much negative press this year on their lack of performance. Pidcock is such a huge talent in all disciplines that he deserves better.
This story reminds of Jack Nicklaus( same era as Merkx) and several eras later Tiger comes along. Pogacar is just a physical and mental phenom and they only come along once in a while. Cycling fans should enjoy, it will be a while before we'll see another fantastic cyclist like Tadej.
@@nomdaploom you are absolutely right but I’m a cyclist since 1984, I have witnessed a lot of suspicious performances in the last 40 Years. All of these are now proven connected to doping. And we all know the history of Mauro Gianetti Teams.
I'm pretty depressed at how the discourse has changed. Remember all the pressure on people like Bjarne Riis and others with a doping history being involved in cycling? It felt like there was real change. Yet nobody EVER mentions Mauro Gianetti on TV or in discussion about Pogacar, even though we see him hugging him after stage victories. The doping discussion died off a long time ago, even though riders are still getting popped. And yet we have a guy breaking records with the 'greatest season of all time' being managed by a guy with one of the dirtiest histories in all of cycling. Why is this? Have we all just given up caring, or is it because its bad for sponsors?
Just fyi if someone doesn't use it it's probably because some phones don't provide that option, my current Android sadly doesn't. I always like seeing people use the proper 'Ø' for ie Mørkøv as it is actually a completely different vowel we use in Danish; not just a variant of 'O' but most people don't have a Danish keyboard😉
Ineos were the tip of the spear 10 years ago, they have now been caught up and surpassed by other teams in the Peloton. They are old school now and don't seam to be able to manage riders who are multi skilled. They just seam to be grand tour focused. Most of the top riders now are in that category with perhaps Vinegaard the only specialist left.
the last two defeats on the tour have given him extra strength and motivation. this year he was angry and super motivated. it was simply amazing to see him race with that determination. in 20 years we will still remember his legendary shots, his attacks and the opponents that crumble like stones... his now legendary solo attacks from 100km to go... just wauuu!! He is racing now for 5-6years and he is already a legend... thanks Tadej, for everything
Merckx 1972, Tour de France + 6 stages, Giro d, Italia + 4 stages, 3 monuments ( Milano San Remo, Lieja, Lombardia ), plus Flecha Brabancona, Fleche Wallonne, Giro Piamonte, Giro de Emilia.. for a total of 33 victories... plus Hour World Record at the end of the season, is the best season ever
Pogacar is such a dominant player this season (and in previous seasons to be honest) that I can't help but ask. Is he being aided by any sort of performance enhancers that we don't know about or can test for? I'd like to confidently say no to this, but I've been burned before.
@@TheRflynn Everything points that he is using something - even the prestigious l'Equipe threw some suspicion his way; but I don't accept it. After all that's happened, and the attention... If you were on something today, you'd be winning by small margins, to make it look legitimate. But I was told by a weightlifter that athletes take a heart drug which allows them to train harder which then improves performance. They take it during training, not on the day of competition. But that information is available to all riders. So far, none of the riders have thrown any suspicion on him, and that is good enough for me. (Armstrong was suspected of doping from his very first Tour, I think the community of riders has awareness). Since cycling is my favorite sport, I pray that all is well.
Pidcock is gone, no chance he'll be there next year. I can't stand Ineos but there's no way I'd be happy about paying 2.5 million to a guy who thinks he's a GT contender but very much isn't
Pidcock may be a great cyclist, but, he’s moody, verging on rude. Perhaps those in charge have just grown tired of paying him so much and letting him pursue multi disciplines for no benefit to the sponsors.
So you don't think off-road cyclists should get big money? Give your head a wobble - another ignorant roadie. He's worth what they thought he was when he signed.
Even without Pogi, UAE would still be on top and the strength and depth of their team is a key factor in his success. Look at the climbers they can burn before Pogi takes off - they’re among the best. In fact look at the entire team and there are racewinners or key supports like Majka in every slot.
Ha ragione Alan . Non ci sono posti sicuri per lasciare la bici , tipo gabbie box chiuse in prossimità di Stazioni, supermercati scuole fabbriche etc..All'estero esistono...
As for tiny Tim Pidcock, I wonder what exactly the infighting is between Pidcock and DS Steve Cummings? Is Ineos done with Pidcock and vice versa? Where should Pidcock go if he is released? Would another Team buy his hefty contract? More questions than answers.
My guess is that his contract was bought out and Ineos didn't want to risk him getting hurt and ruining the deal. Let's see how this plays out. Wherever he lands, they will want to keep him on a pinarello.
On top of Tadej becoming even better, the team have recruited well. He has great support. When everybody rode for Jumbo, it was hard to win, even when brilliant. Visma LaB are not as good as they were. Remove and MvdP are both brilliant and not in the Pog space, but winning were they do. Talking of Zoe, watch this space, in a good team she will eclipse Lotte & Demi etc
Jim Ratcliffe either sends Dave Brailsford back to Team INIOS or they fold. Difficult to see him accepting current performance and the Pidcock affair and just continuing the decline
Allegations are two a penny, especially from fans who would have preferred someone else to have achieved such greatness. Evidence is vastly more important than feelings, as is the presumption of innocence.
Re' the 3k rule, I would think it would have been fairer to give the fallen rider a time penalty of say 10 seconds. I mean, nobody falls to get the same finishing time as the winner. That fall that Roglic had could easily have injured his hip.
Tom would be better off with a team with ambition not just relying on their past results. As a team they haven’t performed for over 2 seasons. Can imagine lots of top teams would love Piddcock in their squad 👌🏽😉
Objectively, of the 7 most prestigious races, how often is Pogacar the favorite? San Remo? NO; Flanders? NO; Roubaix? NO; Liege? Probably, but Evanpoel could challenge next year; Tour? NO, because Vingegaard will challenge for sure and maybe Evanpoel; World Road Race? NO, depends on the course, a number of riders could beat him, Van der Poel, for sure; Lombardia? YES, by far. 5 "no"; 1 "probable"; 1 out and out "favorite". But he may have just raised his level and everything is now a "yes". The fact that he won in Flanders 2 years ago is astonishing for a small rider.
Tadej matured as an athlete, originally he was running on natural talent. Now he’s added in the background information like nutrition, x training, mental wellbeing and has nailed it. 🎉
But that doesn't make sense... no WT rider is not focusing nutrition etc. Perhaps he has given it more focus this year, but his level of improvement just from last year to this year is nothing short of miraculous.
@@FTA38yearfreeride That's not true. Look at Lombardia last year, he only got separation on the descent, lost Emelia and Coppa Sabatini. Even prior to the injury, he's margins of victory were much smaller/sprint wins. Also he fractured his wrist, not his shoulder
Sounds like Ineos management need some HR training. Has Pidcock got grounds for constructive dismissal? Toxic workplaces don't get the best from employees.
Theres a post above where someone says he must have pissed off top management. He has been running his own program and making choices on middle management for a while (didn’t he choose the DS for the TdF?), and the road results don’t bear out his status.
If the management mess at Ineos is not already affecting the whole of the team I should be very, very surprised. It could go some way to explaining why they appear so "lost"
Pogacar is a phenomenon and concern is can anyone compete with him? Vingegaard is most likely but even he at 100% probably 2nd best. As for Pidcock, INEOS aren't exactly setting world on fire last few years so can they afford to piss off one of their best riders? I can see him leaving and riding with a vengance for another team.
I find it strange that people are so excited by Pogacar's dominance. If he's going to steam-roller over everyone in any race that he chooses to be fully competitive in, where's the tension in watching it? It's like watching a thriller where it's patently obvious what's going to happen as soon as the opening credits roll...
I am not watching sport like a fictional movie - too trivial for me. I watch sport being impressed and excited by the performance. This makes Pog exciting.
So, the Ineos management team seem to be, instead of passing on their (formerly) winning ways from cycling to the new Man U project, rather importing the incompetence from Manchester onto the cycling team. That's got to rank up there with other recent huge surprises like Harry Kane not getting a league title with Bayern.
I think of the expression " if it looks too good to be true" then maybe it is. Lance Armstrong,Tom Boonan,,Marco Pantana and so on.Why is the question not being seriously asked. Sean Fox.DUBLIN 11
Yes, Pog has had a few great seasons in a row. To match the number of wins that Eddie has, Pog will need to win over 25 times each year for the next 15 years - let that sink in........
If they replace the current peloton with the one Merckx raced against- a smorgasbord of postmen, clerks, average Joes etc, Pog may win 50 times a year no problem.
@@tonyg3091 Yes, Felice Gimondi, Luis Ocaña, Raymond Poulidor, Joop Zoetemelk, Jose Manuel Fuente, Roger de Vlaeminck, Rik van Looy, Freddy Maertens, Francesco Moser... just average Joes... anyway, i'm sure is the first time you have heard about half of them
Ineos' owner (Sir JR) and driving force (Sir DB) have got a bigger, better, shinier toy in Manchester United FC. Once a kid gets a shiny new toy, the old favourites get shoved to the side.
Pidcock, Vadder & Colombo @ q36.5 ... wondering if we go for classics with Steimle and some mtb action by the other 3.... With no Grand Tours in sight... would be the perfect misch masch
Re: INEOS & Pidcock kerfuffle - _"...starts to negatively affect..."_ 🤔 *Is that like worrying about deck chair location after the Titanic's iceberg hit?*
@@cracked229 ........Absolute nonsense. A very recent study has found that between 20% and 90% of riders are still doping - tramadol and TUE's [to avoid being tested] are used extensively.
It probably is exactly the same as during Lance’s era, an era when practically the whole peloton was doping. The difference is that he’s much more tested than LA ever was, better tech, more frequent etc. So if he is taking PEDs then the products are currently legal, as far as WADA are concerned. What’s more, just like in LA’s era, every other top rider in the current peloton will likely be taking the same PEDs (foolish not to if they’re not on the WADA sanctions list) so it still makes Pog the stand out rider. The reason, certainly in my opinion, that LA was targeted and then made a pariah despite being only one of hundreds of dopers, is because he was a denier, a bully, a narcissist, a megalomaniac….or otheriwse known as a c*8t.
Pogačar have had a great year, no doubt, thanks in part to the misfortune (accidents) of his main rivals. On the other hand, I really hope he is clean, and if he is, he must be Super Human. As far as comparing him to Merckx, in my mind, there will never be anyone like Merckx, for a lot of reasons.
Honestly, he won the world road race by only 36 seconds... So he didn't crush his opponents... not even O'Connor... You don't need drugs to beat O'Connor by 36 seconds. He fought hard to win Milan- San Remo and failed; he tried to lose Vingegaard on the last mountain stage of the Tour, when Vingegaard was coming into his own, and couldn't. He did not win the Ardennes Monuments. I remember Gimondi winning Paris- Roubaix by almost 5 minutes, before the drug age. There are illusions here that Pogacar is untouchable. But if he's the most complete and best rider of his time, there's always been one.
@FTA38yearfreeride on the other hand... Ryan Kamp definitely made a hard pass that went wrong, but that definitely fell within the realms of a 'racing incident'. Ryan would have owed Eli an apology, but that's where it would have ended (except perhaps for the Belgian press). Iserbyt reaction though was hot headed, petulant and over the top. Serious damage to his reputation as everyone saw his actions. Obviously his fan club will demur, but that is how the rest of the world will see it.
If it’s true Pidcock was told of his “deselection” on the bus in front of the team, that’s about as shabby as it gets. If they’ll do that to a team star, just imagine what they’ll do to a typical domestique.
The 4WD is well reviewed, but production has stopped (supplier issue), the sailing team has been good…up to a point. What were the others, well not enough to distract anyone from the business in hand.
just a question !? how come so many prospective riders once they have a pro contract with a team performance orientated personal doctor seem to come on leaps and bounds above the rest of us mere mortals ??
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What do you make of another victory for Pogačar, and what do you think is going on between Pidcock and Ineos Grenadiers? 👀
Ineos seem to have fallen off a cliff since Ratcliff bought Man United. Perhaps a coincidence, but something is seriously wrong there.
it's impressive of pog but it's not making for exciting racing - if he dominates in the same way next year, i'll probably stop watching
Ineos and Pidcock, should they keep their ego out of the door?
@@gcnracing Pidcock is an einzelganger he don't fit in Lenin´s communist army 😂
PG is not clean.....and you all know it!
Dan , great job as usual ! My fav GCN show.
Would have enjoyed hearing a bit more kudos to Powless - after that 40k winning effort Thursday he was 8th at Lombardia. Cheers
Dan Lloyd is pretty much the most analytical and thoughtful commentator on cycling…what Discovery took him off the race comes team for I have no idea…..so glad he’s the main voice on GCN.
I thought he released a statement he wanted to concentrate on GCN ??
GCN were owned by Discovery, now they’ve been bought back by original owners.
Hence no more commentating on Eurosport/ Discovery.
@@oggicorriamo7267 not soo, Stephens is still there... He chose to go with the original owners far as I know 🤷♂️ - whom he knows very well ie has part ownership as he started it, the very 1st video
@@leedorney but Stephens left GCN as they didn’t want him commentating on Eurosport/ Discovery , I believe when it was originally owned by original owners🤔😊
@@oggicorriamo7267 MS said on video he didn't want to keep doing what he was because he was getting older & riding was a problem for him with the commentary commitments so made a decision on that, from what I seen ? either way Warner have bagged viewer rights over itv, ja hear about that? on 2025 or 2026
One factor contributing to Pog's success was the lack of mechanical failure. I can think of only one incident requiring support from the team car (puncture and fall at the Giro Stage 2, which he then won).
The other factor I would bet is all the peds he's taking. Never mind though he's a nice guy so it's okay 😂
@@robertgreenwood6940 Did I hear you whine last year? Can't remember
@@tonyg3091you mean Jonas? He's another cheat add him to the list. I call bs on a lot of these performances. I'll bide my time and come back in 5 or 10 years when they get caught
@@robertgreenwood6940if you actually believe this, you’re also assuming Visma and most other top riders are as well. So, why bother caring? Either watch and enjoy the sport or don’t. Kinda seems like all the people crying about PEDs (with no proof) aren’t enjoying themselves very much. Plenty of other sports out there, man. Alternatively, you could go outside.
@@FTA38yearfreeride ah. 5kmh it is...hear, hear.
Zoe's ride in the Simac has been unreal and deserves ALL the kudos, pure grit - I can't wait to see her and Cat Ferguson race next season (among all the other incredible women also!)
The best place for the Pidcock to go would be EF imo. Would be supported in different disciplines and would like be a leader for big one day races and some grand tours.
Not to dismiss Pogačar's amazing season, but Mathieu van der Poel has had a few good ones as well. In 2010-2011, his win rate was an even 100%. However, it was 2019 which was his best year. Mountain biking: 10 wins from 12 starts. Cyclocross: 12 wins from 13 starts. Road: 11 wins from 31 starts including Amstel Gold, Tour of Britain, and Dwars door Vlaanderen. Talk about a long season!
Van der Poel had a pretty good year this year too! 7/15 in Cyclocross with a Flanders/Roubaix double! and TWO world championships (gravel, cyclocross)
Really, seeing Van der Poel and Pogačar race. Which is more exciting? Who can tell?
Van der Poel will be favorite to win in Flanders, Roubaix, and possibly San- Remo and the World Road Race in 2025. He is peaking now.
van Der Poel is a one-day-race specialist. He's nowhere in grand tours
@@goargoride You seem to be conveniently forgetting his dominance in Cyclocross, Gravel and competitiveness in MTB...a little harder to be that wide-ranging at the World Tour Men's Elite level.
Crash in 4th stage Basque Coutry...
That is all i have to say... i am from Slovenia, Tadej Pogačar is a cycling god for me... but even i have to addmit, that 4th stage in Basque had a HUGE PLAY in 2024 season
without it, 2024 would not be as "easy" as it had been...
GCN chanel... i wish you as Tina would say... SIMPLY THE BEST!!! 😘😉
Thanks Dan & Team
@6:08 thats why I really wish he would have tried for the real triple of doing all 3 grand tours this year. If he had tried it and succeeded but then his form dropped the following year and he found it hard to regain, he might blame doing too much this year. However, if he gets sick or injured or his form takes a turn or the competition ups their game to where he can never try to do the triple, he will wish he would have at least tried it. I know I would have. Make Hay While the Sun Shines, as they say
So glad to hear you again Dan, finally got around to checking GCN youtube out. Subbed and liked! Always enjoyed your style of delivery, glad to see you are doing well. See you next week!
Three years ago Si and Olie made a video about a road bike time trial in which Si had to average 370 watts to go 30 mph for ten miles in order to do 10 miles in 20 minutes. Pogi says that he can do 340 watts in zone 2 with a heart rate of 140 bpm. He can do this for 5 hours in training. This must be a huge advantage for him when decides to put in a hard effort. When everyone else is suffering he is having a good time. No one can go with him because they are already spent.
Thats a very convoluted way of saying “he’s miles better than the rest”. The question is how?
@@willbick3 Creatine
@@willbick3he doesn't eat processed food
Carb intake, crank length and special cleats apparently. Nothing to do with doping 🤔🤔🤔
The Ineos Grenadiers Drama is so fabulous! I have my popcorn ready! 🍿🎉
How?
@@LAMF24 how the mighty have fallen!
I’m not a Pidcock fan but no one should be treated like that. This is a job, in your workplace you are not demeaned in front of others. Poor form Ineos.
@@DeborahH78Deborahh78 Except in nearly every job your employer will very much be dictating what projects you work on. Whether you take that personally is a you problem
(At least one famous) Football manager used tell players in advance if he wanted to support them, and simultaneously with everyone ahead of the match if they were sending a “I’m the boss and you are taking the mick” message.
@@whatwelearneda good employer shouldn’t really “Dictate “ .Usually the best results come from a collaboration between employer and employee . It is of course the right of the management team to deselect a rider . The way this was done on the team bus places Team Ineos in a very poor light. It’s so unprofessional and maybe throws a bit of light on the rather more deep routed issues that have been allowed to manifest within the team?
His “job” is to win races on the road. He’s doing OK with his hobbies. Be glad to see him leave.
Cheers Dan... The q is really what would piss Senior Management off to such a display of power? Ffs they are paying him a fortune to race his bike, but they also have the power to pull the plug. Must be really miffed.
When it comes to someone being able to beat Pogacar’s accomplishments, the golden rule in sport is ‘never say never.’ I’m certain people thought we’d never see those old records broken, then it was Pogacar who ended up breaking them. We should appreciate the greatness on display now, but never forget that greatness in sport comes from overcoming challenges, and Pogacar’s dominance might be the crucible that forges the next great talent.
Yeah But, Eddy Merckx had much more stylish clothing. The caps and jerseys of the Merckx era are much cooler than anything we see today.
I recall thinking that Egan Bernal was going to be unstoppable with ineos. Then sadly injury really changed his career.
Ineos seemed to go downhill with this really. In a way it was admirable they stuck by him so much and always hoped for a full return to form, perhaps thats what left the door open so to speak.
Fun fact-Bernal was better than Pog in his junior years. And then it all went wrong
@@tonyg3091 he is 1 year older that is why
In additon he had massiv back problems before that got worse after his crash.
He could have been much mpre succesfull
He shouldn't have won the TDF, that was handed to him on a plate with the whole stage with snow, G was a gent and very professional, but privately he must have been seething. I'd liken it to when Verstappen 'beat' Lewis to his 8th World title, should never have happened.
I go back to Team Sky when it seemed like they used every legal advantage that money could buy and were always consistently dominant whenever they turned up. Was never a fan of that style as it felt like the giant was crushing those in it's way. Now I wonder if those in charge simply can't handle the fact that they have received much negative press this year on their lack of performance. Pidcock is such a huge talent in all disciplines that he deserves better.
legal but carried in jiffy bags ...
This story reminds of Jack Nicklaus( same era as Merkx) and several eras later Tiger comes along. Pogacar is just a physical and mental phenom and they only come along once in a while. Cycling fans should enjoy, it will be a while before we'll see another fantastic cyclist like Tadej.
Love to know the stat's for Pogačar. I remember they released the statistics on Miguel Induráin and they were astounding.
With all the Poggi stats you don’t become suspicious!???
Above all, he and everyone else is entitled to the presumption of innocence. If people are to be tried by the court of "feelings", we all lose.
@@nomdaploom you are absolutely right but I’m a cyclist since 1984, I have witnessed a lot of suspicious performances in the last 40 Years. All of these are now proven connected to doping.
And we all know the history of Mauro Gianetti Teams.
I'm pretty depressed at how the discourse has changed. Remember all the pressure on people like Bjarne Riis and others with a doping history being involved in cycling? It felt like there was real change. Yet nobody EVER mentions Mauro Gianetti on TV or in discussion about Pogacar, even though we see him hugging him after stage victories. The doping discussion died off a long time ago, even though riders are still getting popped. And yet we have a guy breaking records with the 'greatest season of all time' being managed by a guy with one of the dirtiest histories in all of cycling. Why is this? Have we all just given up caring, or is it because its bad for sponsors?
@@stevennorman3900 Excellent points, media is blind too, and UAE has all the money in the world to shut up anyone.
If he looked vaguely tired I might be less worried about how much is natural ability.
I like that you used the letter Č, very respectful
Just fyi if someone doesn't use it it's probably because some phones don't provide that option, my current Android sadly doesn't.
I always like seeing people use the proper 'Ø' for ie Mørkøv as it is actually a completely different vowel we use in Danish; not just a variant of 'O' but most people don't have a Danish keyboard😉
2025 Ineous need a all British team at the Tour de France ,they some great young talent capable of winning. Let's get the management structure sorted.
Ineos were the tip of the spear 10 years ago, they have now been caught up and surpassed by other teams in the Peloton. They are old school now and don't seam to be able to manage riders who are multi skilled. They just seam to be grand tour focused. Most of the top riders now are in that category with perhaps Vinegaard the only specialist left.
Ineos probably thought Tom had a chance of a monument podium and didn't want to pay him a bonus.
Would be interested to hear an opinion on Eli Iserbyt's antics.
The angry dwarf 🤣
@@waltercai S happens
I was hoping for some insight on that.
the last two defeats on the tour have given him extra strength and motivation. this year he was angry and super motivated. it was simply amazing to see him race with that determination. in 20 years we will still remember his legendary shots, his attacks and the opponents that crumble like stones... his now legendary solo attacks from 100km to go... just wauuu!!
He is racing now for 5-6years and he is already a legend... thanks Tadej, for everything
Thanks for this weekly show. Missed GCN+ this year.
Merckx 1972, Tour de France + 6 stages, Giro d, Italia + 4 stages, 3 monuments ( Milano San Remo, Lieja, Lombardia ), plus Flecha Brabancona, Fleche Wallonne, Giro Piamonte, Giro de Emilia.. for a total of 33 victories... plus Hour World Record at the end of the season, is the best season ever
Finally someone talking sense, I love pogi but I have to respect history
Jonus Vingegaard is the only guy who can follow Pogacar when the road goes skyward, and not blow up.
2025 will be the year of Pidcok so forget about those old grandpa's
The Rat cliff pet project might have run its course!
Pogacar is such a dominant player this season (and in previous seasons to be honest) that I can't help but ask. Is he being aided by any sort of performance enhancers that we don't know about or can test for? I'd like to confidently say no to this, but I've been burned before.
Its a question for the future, theres no answer now.
@@TheRflynn Everything points that he is using something - even the prestigious l'Equipe threw some suspicion his way; but I don't accept it. After all that's happened, and the attention... If you were on something today, you'd be winning by small margins, to make it look legitimate. But I was told by a weightlifter that athletes take a heart drug which allows them to train harder which then improves performance. They take it during training, not on the day of competition. But that information is available to all riders. So far, none of the riders have thrown any suspicion on him, and that is good enough for me. (Armstrong was suspected of doping from his very first Tour, I think the community of riders has awareness). Since cycling is my favorite sport, I pray that all is well.
It was Barbara Guarischi who won stage 4 of the Simac Ladies Tour.
AleJet! loved watching that guy.
Sometimes a split between two parties is the best option for both sides. Good luck to Pidcock
Pogacar found all the ingredients to his superhuman fitness.
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Pidcock is gone, no chance he'll be there next year. I can't stand Ineos but there's no way I'd be happy about paying 2.5 million to a guy who thinks he's a GT contender but very much isn't
*But why de select him in front of his mates, unless mgmt wanted to embarrass him.*
Like Thobaut Pinot? 😂
Pidcock may be a great cyclist, but, he’s moody, verging on rude. Perhaps those in charge have just grown tired of paying him so much and letting him pursue multi disciplines for no benefit to the sponsors.
So you don't think off-road cyclists should get big money? Give your head a wobble - another ignorant roadie. He's worth what they thought he was when he signed.
@@Andy_ATB He's demonstrably not been worth it in the slightest this year
Idk about best. Most predictable is more like it. Pog was amazing. He was on another level.
Even without Pogi, UAE would still be on top and the strength and depth of their team is a key factor in his success. Look at the climbers they can burn before Pogi takes off - they’re among the best. In fact look at the entire team and there are racewinners or key supports like Majka in every slot.
Ha ragione Alan . Non ci sono posti sicuri per lasciare la bici , tipo gabbie box chiuse in prossimità di Stazioni, supermercati scuole fabbriche etc..All'estero esistono...
Thats Dope!
If it seems too good to be true… it likely is!
Merckx was a doper
Ineos went down the moment it became ineos if i remember correctly
I was trying to remember the timeline but I think it could be that Jim Ratcliffe ruined Sky/Ineos. All their key back room staff seem to be gone.
Hey, heads up, there is an opening for the tour de france announcing at NBC due to a retirement.
Dope anyone?
GT sums Ineos up perfectly, it's messed up. Great team advert.
As for tiny Tim Pidcock, I wonder what exactly the infighting is between Pidcock and DS Steve Cummings? Is Ineos done with Pidcock and vice versa? Where should Pidcock go if he is released? Would another Team buy his hefty contract? More questions than answers.
Or Ineos and Dan B.
My guess is that his contract was bought out and Ineos didn't want to risk him getting hurt and ruining the deal. Let's see how this plays out. Wherever he lands, they will want to keep him on a pinarello.
No cyclo cross results then Dan! No comment on the stamping on frame and😆😆 wheels!!!!!!
🐐 we’re witnessing
silver lining would be seeing more of Tom riding CX and MTB
He only has a shot at CX, if MvdP and WvA do not show up
Pogacar is in his Black Frieza Arc
On top of Tadej becoming even better, the team have recruited well. He has great support. When everybody rode for Jumbo, it was hard to win, even when brilliant. Visma LaB are not as good as they were. Remove and MvdP are both brilliant and not in the Pog space, but winning were they do.
Talking of Zoe, watch this space, in a good team she will eclipse Lotte & Demi etc
Jim Ratcliffe either sends Dave Brailsford back to Team INIOS or they fold. Difficult to see him accepting current performance and the Pidcock affair and just continuing the decline
Imagine how cool it would be if Pogi had done this clean 😅😅😅😅😅
Would like some doping allegations content, but I guess that’s quite tricky when your sponsors are directly in jeopardy
Allegations are two a penny, especially from fans who would have preferred someone else to have achieved such greatness. Evidence is vastly more important than feelings, as is the presumption of innocence.
INEOS need Brailsford back to sort things out, Sir Jim should move quickly to prevent
the team from ending up as an also ran |||
I predict Pogacar will take all the grand tours in 2025. Pidcocks issue is an unfortunate one. A split is the best now.
Every time I’ve heard Pozzovivo’s name in the last 2 seasons my brain goes “didn’t he retire ages ago?”. 😅
As far as I remember he did but decided to continue
11:22 Barbara Guarischi, no?
Yes - stage 4. Well spotted!
Re' the 3k rule, I would think it would have been fairer to give the fallen rider a time penalty of say 10 seconds. I mean, nobody falls to get the same finishing time as the winner. That fall that Roglic had could easily have injured his hip.
Tom would be better off with a team with ambition not just relying on their past results. As a team they haven’t performed for over 2 seasons. Can imagine lots of top teams would love Piddcock in their squad 👌🏽😉
Go our aussie girl Grace Brown
Objectively, of the 7 most prestigious races, how often is Pogacar the favorite? San Remo? NO; Flanders? NO; Roubaix? NO; Liege? Probably, but Evanpoel could challenge next year; Tour? NO, because Vingegaard will challenge for sure and maybe Evanpoel; World Road Race? NO, depends on the course, a number of riders could beat him, Van der Poel, for sure; Lombardia? YES, by far.
5 "no"; 1 "probable"; 1 out and out "favorite". But he may have just raised his level and everything is now a "yes". The fact that he won in Flanders 2 years ago is astonishing for a small rider.
Tadej matured as an athlete, originally he was running on natural talent. Now he’s added in the background information like nutrition, x training, mental wellbeing and has nailed it. 🎉
@@FTA38yearfreerideIt's way more than that. He dropped weight. Hired a new trainer. Pretty much changed up his program. It worked.
But that doesn't make sense... no WT rider is not focusing nutrition etc. Perhaps he has given it more focus this year, but his level of improvement just from last year to this year is nothing short of miraculous.
@@AP-wd6dv I’ve seen it before
@@FTA38yearfreeride That's not true. Look at Lombardia last year, he only got separation on the descent, lost Emelia and Coppa Sabatini. Even prior to the injury, he's margins of victory were much smaller/sprint wins.
Also he fractured his wrist, not his shoulder
@@AP-wd6dv you was in a coma during tour of Flanders 2023 ?? Have you ever seen a rider attack before they hit the cobbles on old kwaremont ?
Sounds like Ineos management need some HR training. Has Pidcock got grounds for constructive dismissal? Toxic workplaces don't get the best from employees.
Theres a post above where someone says he must have pissed off top management. He has been running his own program and making choices on middle management for a while (didn’t he choose the DS for the TdF?), and the road results don’t bear out his status.
@@TheRflynn Pidcock needs to win more than one road race a year to justify anything that comes out of his mouth.
If the management mess at Ineos is not already affecting the whole of the team I should be very, very surprised. It could go some way to explaining why they appear so "lost"
SD-Works are a real team without vollering. Promising for next season.
Pogacar is a phenomenon and concern is can anyone compete with him? Vingegaard is most likely but even he at 100% probably 2nd best. As for Pidcock, INEOS aren't exactly setting world on fire last few years so can they afford to piss off one of their best riders? I can see him leaving and riding with a vengance for another team.
I find it strange that people are so excited by Pogacar's dominance. If he's going to steam-roller over everyone in any race that he chooses to be fully competitive in, where's the tension in watching it? It's like watching a thriller where it's patently obvious what's going to happen as soon as the opening credits roll...
I am not watching sport like a fictional movie - too trivial for me. I watch sport being impressed and excited by the performance. This makes Pog exciting.
The sponsors won’t like it that’s for sure . Especially if that decision meant they were robbed of coverage
So, the Ineos management team seem to be, instead of passing on their (formerly) winning ways from cycling to the new Man U project, rather importing the incompetence from Manchester onto the cycling team. That's got to rank up there with other recent huge surprises like Harry Kane not getting a league title with Bayern.
you run a great show thank you.
Getting a big paycheck from both mountain and road racing is good for Pidcock.
I think of the expression " if it looks too good to be true" then maybe it is. Lance Armstrong,Tom Boonan,,Marco Pantana and so on.Why is the question not being seriously asked.
Sean Fox.DUBLIN 11
Everyone is forgetting about a healthy Jonas. He is the only one on that level that can beat Pogarcar
Yes, Pog has had a few great seasons in a row. To match the number of wins that Eddie has, Pog will need to win over 25 times each year for the next 15 years - let that sink in........
If they replace the current peloton with the one Merckx raced against- a smorgasbord of postmen, clerks, average Joes etc, Pog may win 50 times a year no problem.
@@tonyg3091 Yes, Felice Gimondi, Luis Ocaña, Raymond Poulidor, Joop Zoetemelk, Jose Manuel Fuente, Roger de Vlaeminck, Rik van Looy, Freddy Maertens, Francesco Moser... just average Joes... anyway, i'm sure is the first time you have heard about half of them
@@tonyg3091😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏
Eddie praised Pogacar a lot in recent days
You can say that fot almost every Sport competion today is 10 times stronger then generations ago.
Ineos' owner (Sir JR) and driving force (Sir DB) have got a bigger, better, shinier toy in Manchester United FC. Once a kid gets a shiny new toy, the old favourites get shoved to the side.
Yes and they are making a mess of that as well.
Pidcock, Vadder & Colombo @ q36.5 ... wondering if we go for classics with Steimle and some mtb action by the other 3.... With no Grand Tours in sight... would be the perfect misch masch
Why would he want to improve anything after this season. It would be great if he can keep this form next year I think !
Pogacar, feels to good to be true.
Re: INEOS & Pidcock kerfuffle - _"...starts to negatively affect..."_ 🤔
*Is that like worrying about deck chair location after the Titanic's iceberg hit?*
I'm old and have seen this exact same scenario play out w/ Lance. 100% doped, to the gills.
100%? you have a lot of confidence in your crystal ball.
@@simonstucki 1000% clean as lance. Doping died after they got lance.
@@simonstucki we had similar comments to yours back in the low-cost Lance's days.
@@cracked229 ........Absolute nonsense. A very recent study has found that between 20% and 90% of riders are still doping - tramadol and TUE's [to avoid being tested] are used extensively.
It probably is exactly the same as during Lance’s era, an era when practically the whole peloton was doping. The difference is that he’s much more tested than LA ever was, better tech, more frequent etc. So if he is taking PEDs then the products are currently legal, as far as WADA are concerned. What’s more, just like in LA’s era, every other top rider in the current peloton will likely be taking the same PEDs (foolish not to if they’re not on the WADA sanctions list) so it still makes Pog the stand out rider. The reason, certainly in my opinion, that LA was targeted and then made a pariah despite being only one of hundreds of dopers, is because he was a denier, a bully, a narcissist, a megalomaniac….or otheriwse known as a c*8t.
I want some of what Poggy is taking
You got to feel for Pogacar!, it's always going to be a case of damned if you do damned if you don't.
Pogačar have had a great year, no doubt, thanks in part to the misfortune (accidents) of his main rivals. On the other hand, I really hope he is clean, and if he is, he must be Super Human. As far as comparing him to Merckx, in my mind, there will never be anyone like Merckx, for a lot of reasons.
Honestly, he won the world road race by only 36 seconds... So he didn't crush his opponents... not even O'Connor... You don't need drugs to beat O'Connor by 36 seconds. He fought hard to win Milan- San Remo and failed; he tried to lose Vingegaard on the last mountain stage of the Tour, when Vingegaard was coming into his own, and couldn't. He did not win the Ardennes Monuments. I remember Gimondi winning Paris- Roubaix by almost 5 minutes, before the drug age. There are illusions here that Pogacar is untouchable. But if he's the most complete and best rider of his time, there's always been one.
Words like 'unbelievable ' and 'incredible' totally apply to Pogacar.... in their truest sense 😏
Probably best not to compare Pogačar with riders from the 'Past' with their history.
No Iserbyt-beatdown chat?
@@andrewgturnbull he got mad..., he is human! So what !
@FTA38yearfreeride on the other hand... Ryan Kamp definitely made a hard pass that went wrong, but that definitely fell within the realms of a 'racing incident'. Ryan would have owed Eli an apology, but that's where it would have ended (except perhaps for the Belgian press). Iserbyt reaction though was hot headed, petulant and over the top. Serious damage to his reputation as everyone saw his actions. Obviously his fan club will demur, but that is how the rest of the world will see it.
Saying he broke other dopers records doesn’t mean much.
If it’s true Pidcock was told of his “deselection” on the bus in front of the team, that’s about as shabby as it gets. If they’ll do that to a team star, just imagine what they’ll do to a typical domestique.
The only question re Ineos is ,are they making a bigger a**e of their cycling team or Manchester Utd ?
The 4WD is well reviewed, but production has stopped (supplier issue), the sailing team has been good…up to a point. What were the others, well not enough to distract anyone from the business in hand.
Not riding the Olympics is still the big question
I will always remember this season as the one Pogacar could have won all three Grand Tours. But he didn't.
Jonas Vingegaard...silently recuperating...healing..strengthening..for 2025
Thanks
Thank you! Dan
just a question !? how come so many prospective riders once they have a pro contract with a team performance orientated personal doctor seem to come on leaps and bounds above the rest of us mere mortals ??
I feel like pog is grabbing everything he can before USADA catches up
Why would he care about USADA?
Il lombardia was the first time i really doubted Pog. He looked like he was out on a training ride and won by 3 minutes. It was too much....