Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 and Threadripper Two
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ม.ค. 2019
- We have Thunderbolt 3 and Threadripper Two working together, on our Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme Motherboard! However, we need a Bios Update for full integration! Maybe?
To Purchase:
1.) Gigabyte GC-Titan Ridge (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card Component)
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2.) Atech Flash BlackJet Cinema Dock
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The Atech Flash BlackJet Cinema Dock is a Thunderbolt 3 Media Dock.
Note: Here's a Helpful Video from TonyTek Insights - Asus ThunderboltEX 3: FAST Thunderbolt 3 Expansion Card - • Video
The Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC Driver is Windows 10 64 bit only! This AIC uses the Intel DSL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller.
What motherboard is compatible with this???
- The GIGABYTE GC-Titan Ridge (Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 PCIe Card Component) should work with any Motherboard which has the Thunderbolt 3 Header... and Bios support. Without those? Requires a 4 Lane PCIe 3.0 Slot. How to make it work? Jump Pins 3 to 5. Keeps card alive. No legacy support. Meaning, Thunderbolt 3 only.
Here's the part we used:
3.) Duttek (2-Pack) 4.5CM 4 Pin 2.54mm Pitch Separate Motherboard Header PCB Cable Male to Female Extender Extension Dupont Jumper Wires Cable 8pcs/Pack (4Pin M/F)
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Above Cables are indicating currently unavailable. This is an example of what You'll need.
4.) Gikfun Mini Micro Jumper for Arduino (Pack of 50pcs) EK1025
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Problem: Error encountered during Configuration: PCI Express Upstream Switch Port (Code 31)
Solution: Update AMD X399 Chipset Driver. Reboot.
Requirements:
1.) PCIe 3.0 interface (PCIe x4) - 4 PCIe Lanes
2.) Thunderbolt 3 - 5Pin GPIO Header on Motherboard - For SMBus Communication
3.) USB 2.0 Motherboard Header
4.) 2 x 6-pin PCIe power connectors
Further Research:
1.) www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/...
2.) www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/...
3.) thunderbolttechnology.net/sec...
4.) thunderbolttechnology.net/upd...
5.) thunderbolttechnology.net/thu...
6.) www.atechflash.com/blackjet-ux1
7.) www.atechflash.com/faq-ux1
8.) www.atechflash.com/blackjet-u...
9.) community.amd.com/thread/230265
10.) egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-en...
We hope You find this Video helpful. Your results may vary. This is Bleeding Edge Technology for the AMD X399 Chipset.
Update Note (2-16-2019): We've tried this Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC in a Ryzen - No go!
Test System: MSI X370 XPOWER Gaming Titanium AMD Ryzen X370 DDR4 ATX Motherboard + Ryzen 1800X CPU & AMD WX 7100 GPU.
1.) PCIe 3.0 Slot x8 [PCI_E4] - No Boot
2.) PCIe 2.0 Slot x4 [PCI_E6] - Boots but Video blinks; Resolution changes; Unusable. Could not even get to try installing Driver. Tried in both available PCIe Slots - With and without Jumping Pins 3 to 5 on the GPIO Thunderbolt Header. Made no difference.
If You've read all of this, we're going to update with another Thunderbolt 3 Video using 2 different Audio Interfaces after we Build the AMD Ryzen Threadripper III TRX40 Chipset Build! Stay tuned! That Platform has Bios support!
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Excellent tutorial my brother! I plan on buying one of these just to tinker around with.
Hi Chase, Thanks! We're getting ready to do another one on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard and Titan Ridge. After that, two Thunderbolt 3 Audio interfaces. Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy awesome! I love seeing in depth TR4/TRX40 content. So many content creators skip over the TR (threadripper) tech. I'm certain because it's a tad more finicky or should I say "difficult". I admit TR4 is more of a challenge and that is what makes it so much more enjoyable. If it were as easy as Z370 I wouldn't even bother with the stuff!
Hi@@chasebarnard1223, Amen to that!
I just install CG-Titan Ridge in my system. (Ryzen 5-2600 and Asus X470 Tuf Gaming). No BIOS setup needed. Nothing. Just Plug the Card in PCIe 4X and jump the THB-C cable Pins 3 and 5 togheter. Install drivers and done! No issues. My audio interface is a Apollo Twin Duo Thunderbolt. Just Works. I´m very Happy! Adios, Apple!
Hi Noslen nonÔ,
Outstanding! Thanks for sharing!
BTW: What Thunderbolt Adapter are You using since that Audio Interface is Thunderbolt 2? Apple Thunderbolt Adapter or a different brand? This is exciting!
BuildOrBuy is an Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter.
Hi@@casquijo,
Thanks for those details! That confirms what someone has told Us (M M). And that changes what we've read about both Intel & Gigabyte being at odds over a Firmware Update being required. This is exciting news! And been right under our noses the whole time! _Appreciate Your help!_
This may answer both of my new build questions at once: Ryzen vs Intel, and Thunderbolt 3 on PC. Above Noslen nonÔ describes a fortunate find adding to your great work here, while inadvertently mentioning his "Ryson" / Apollo set up. Rumor has it Ryzen is risky when setting up a powerful low latency audio workstation, have you found that to be true? Also almost every audio interface solution I am researching recommends Thunderbolt 3 over USB 3, whether Apollo Unison, or Focusrite Clarett, any thoughts on this Gill, or Noslen nonÔ?
Hi@@markshrader7136,
Excellent questions. Thanks for asking! We'll defer to Noslen who has experience regarding Ryzen 3. As for Thunderbolt vs USB3, either way, USB4 is the key to all of this. We're still using USB2 Audio interfaces.
Q: Where do You need the processing power? Are You're EFX, plugins or do You need the DSP EFX from the Audio interface hence Thunderbolt 3? Right now, all of our EFX are plugins like instrument plugins that work like audio libraries, as plugins.
Two big issues with Audio on a Computer are Latency & Noise. Starting with Windows DPC Latency. Managing noise starts with the food chain - clean electrical power. Threadripper is Bang for the Buck. There's more to offer from the Threadripper than the Ryzen 3. *Threadripper 3 is coming, if You can wait.*
Brilliant vid m8... Extremely well explained. Thanks. I'm contemplating buying a THB card, but having a lot of problems trying to find anyone here in New Zealand who is really familiar with this technology. "Bleeding Edge"... is right.
Hi Bill Hill,
Thanks for Your comments! If Buy a Thunderbolt 3 card, get this Titan Ridge card. If You wait, USB4 is coming and will incorporate Thunderbolt 3 technology. No guarantees. What's Your Audio interface? What's Your Motherboard? If You want to give it whirl, we'll do our best to help make it work! *Thanks for Subscribing!*
@@BuildOrBuy Wow, thanks for the speedy reply. Thunderbolt 4 !? Not many people here in n.z. are familiar with this technology. Lot of confusion around USB-C and Thunderbolt. Thank you for your contact. Again... Great vid m8.
Hi@@willy414576,
Thanks! _We're here to help You have a Successful Build experience!_ Not Thunderbolt 4. USB4. USB4 will incorporate Thunderbolt 3. An enigma with lots of confusion and consternation regarding Thunderbolt 1, 2 & 3. Even USB, as we currently know it, is undergoing naming convention changes. Better to get the FAQs straight from the source... USB Implementers Forum.
Read this Dated March 4, 2019: USB Promoter Group Announces USB4 Specification - USB.org
- usb.org/sites/default/files/2019-03/USB_PG_USB4_DevUpdate_Announcement_FINAL_20190226.pdf
SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps (USB 3.2 Gen 2)
- usb.org/retail
- www.usb.org/superspeed-usb
- www.usb.org/usbc
The USB 3.2 specification absorbed all prior 3.x specifications. USB 3.2 identifies three transfer rates:
USB 3.2 Gen 1: SuperSpeed USB [5Gbps]
USB 3.2 Gen 2: SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps
USB 3.2 Gen 2x2: SuperSpeed USB 20 Gbps
[USB4 - 40 Gbps] Actually throughput will be closer to 30 Gbps due to PCIe 3.0 x4 Spec overhead.
*USB 3.2 and USB4... Now that's confusing!* Remember USB 2.0 and SuperSpeed USB 2.0? Remember when USB even came out? We had to be running Windows 95 OEM Version C to make it work. That's when we all started using the OEM version of Windows, for the latest Drivers. Our motto - Keep it Simple!
This is amazing, something i've really been looking into recently.
I'm about to build a new rig, however, I plan to use that Ryzen 9 processor coming out soon. I'm just wondering if that should work ( I believe so?) - and what Motherboard you would reccommend?
My other question, is that i'm planning to use a TB2 RAID to connect to my system. Now, my Dell XPS15 has TB3 - but it doesn't work with the TB3-TB2 adaptor - is this something thats universal? Or is there something that's limited? It works on MBPs - but not the Dell XPS 9550 ( a TB3 limitation of some hardware in there?)
Hi Andy_Elvis11,
Thanks! Ryzen 9 - Will TB3 work and what Motherboard to use? Too early to tell on both accounts. We need details on chipsets. x399 is the better route, right now - HEDT. Better Resource allocation. Only works with Thunderbolt 3 Titan Ridge Controller - TB3 - Native support. TB 1&2 - Legacy support. A limitation of Intel validation. Wait for USB4 from USB-IF to get this all working like it should. BTW: Nice Laptop!
What is the full sized displayport on the aic for? Is it to connect a gpu to (input) or to connect a monitor to (output). This is confusing because in the manual it says > "When connecting DisplayPort monitor, if you connect the Mini-DisplayPort cable to the DP IN 1 connector, you must connect the monitor's cable to the DisplayPort connector or Thunderbolt™ 3 connector 1. If you connect the cable to the DP IN 2 connector, you must connect the monitor's cable to Thunderbolt 3 connector 2."
Hi Franz Pleurmann,
Glad You've asked that Question. Let's keep it simple... The Thunderbolt AIC only 'routes' video. The Video card plugs into the Thunderbolt AIC to be routed out through a Thunderbolt port to the Monitor. Why not just plugin Video directly to the Monitor? How many Monitors have a Thunderbolt port? Seems kind of dumb. Like the emperor has no clothes. But that's my take. The Thunderbolt AIC is suppose to do 3 things. Rout Video, Connect Devices like for Storage and Transfer Power. Two of the three make sense. Hope that helps.
Thanks for the info!
With the Titan Ridge card being PCIe 3.0 x4, is the data bandwidth limited to 3.94GB/s as compared to theoretical thunderbolt bandwidths?
I would assume that the two thunderbolt connections would still move data pretty fast in real world usage.
Hi
J Harris,
Excellent point! We'd have to answer that question with a question... *How does Titan Ridge ThunderBolt 3 achieve 40GBit/s when PCIe 3.0 x4 is only capable of 30.781GBit/s?* _Yes, still pretty fast!_ These Marketing people at Intel are pretty slick. Like a car salesman. USB4 is going to be interesting to watch how that gets implemented knowing what we now know. A Lot of people are going to be wondering why they cannot get USB4 working in an older Computer. PCIe 3.0 Resources! And to really get things going, we should also see USB4 I/O cards on x8 interfaces. USB-IF has their work cut out for them to meet the expectations of the masses!
@@BuildOrBuy It does it by mostly not using the PCIe at all. Graphics are patched through the card/ports on the board (Intel). That means the expectation of running storage at 40Gb/s is impossible. For graphics, entirely avoiding the PCIe bus means 8K graphics (and the bit rate beyond PCIe3x4) is possible. In other words, Intel marketing is just as dodgy as Apple's.
Hi @@tauttechminusmanagedmusic3778,
Good point. When we consider working with Thunderbolt, we think in terms of Data throughput & Data delivery. While others have the expectation of Video, like you've said 8K. Even though it's just passing through. Yet other Users advocate the use of Power Delivery. And Thunderbolt is suppose to do all 3. Curious. You're right, it's all about the marketing! Appreciate Your Comments!
Hey I got a x299 Ausu tuf mark 1. Do I need the USB header as I only have 1 and its being used for my AIO?
Hi D Knight X91,
Option 1: Use an internal USB Splitter. USB header is for plug and play signaling. Option 2: Plug in Device at Boot without USB header and see if it works to Your satisfaction without Hot Swap.
Hi Gill, great video!
I'm about to pull the trigger for a new build which is based on the 2950wx threadripper + x399 designare ex. If I get the Titan Ridge would I be able to get thunderbolt working? Has there been any developments on bios updates? It's a workstation build and a stable Thunderbolt 3 connection is a must! Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks!
Hi Miguel Muñiz,
*Thank You! Right Platform, Chipset, 2950 CPU and Motherboard, right now! All Bang for the Buck! A Solid foundation.* This is as close as we can get right now to a Workstation X399 Build. Nothing yet on Bios Updates. Have seen 2 versions of F12e, Dated: 3-9-2019. And don't hold Your breath waiting for it. Primarily addressing AGESA Updates. Maybe something might get slipped in? We can hope! We can dream.
Titan Ridge card - No Firmware Update; Driver (17.4.77.400) Dated: 9-6-2018.
With USB4 coming, that's when this all gets ironed out. In the mean time - Audio Interface? For Audio - Don't draw power from Interface. Noise can occur. We learned that from using USB Audio Interfaces. A pain to diagnose. All Drivers (Chipset & Video) must be current. Thunderbolt 3 Native support only. No Hot Plug. Device must Enumerate at Boot. It works, for the most part.
Suggestions?
1.) Be patient - This is Bleeding Edge Technology for all of Us!
2.) Keep Your Rig Cool. Your Video card will thank You for it! We use Noctua CPU & Case Fan Coolers. We like to keep it simple. The Motherboard Thermistors are a big help to knowing what's hot.
Position accordingly.
3.) WiFi - Slipstream Windows USB Install Media - Or else Windows will go bonkers. Windows does not like the Intel WiFi.
We have a Video on that Topic - th-cam.com/video/3Fpq2kWxdQk/w-d-xo.html
After You Build a Threadripper, You'll wonder why doesn't everyone else Build a Threadripper and stop wasting their time and money on anything less. Best Resource Allocation available! If You need any help - Ask! Otherwise, Enjoy! And Thanks for Watching! We'll do another Titan Ridge Thunderbolt Video, when appropriate. Or when we have something relevant, worth sharing.
This would be great. Looks like everything installed fine, with no errors, but no detection of my thunderbolt drives.
Hi Oscar, Reboot and see if Drives are detected. Could be a plug and play issue. Do You have USB 2.0 Header installed? Bios support turned on? With latest Bios Update, Bios support should be automatic. Have You tested with another Thunderbolt device? Tell Us more about Your current Thunderbolt 3 enclosure.
@@BuildOrBuy I have the last BIOS I can find for Designare F12. I can see the card in device manager. Both USB and Thunderbolt headers are connected, as well as both 6 pin power. I tried with both a Drobo 5D and a Pegasus R4. Neither is detected. I have not seen an entry in the BIOS for anything related to Thunderbolt.
Hi@@OscarCastillo1, There is no F12 Bios for the Giabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard, either Rev 1.0 or Rev 1.1. Rev 1.0 is F4i and Rev 1.1 is FBd.
Which Slot are You using? Are You using the Titan Ridge AIC that comes with the Motherboard?
@@BuildOrBuy I'm on the TR4 Designare with 2950X. Card is a Titan Ridge in slot 3.
Hi@@OscarCastillo1, You have x399 chipset. Thank You for that clarification. That matters. No Bios support. At least not yet, if ever. Changing one thing changes everything. We have Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 working on that x399 Motherboard but Devices we've tried had to be Plugged in before turning on the Computer. No Hot Swap / Hot Plug. However we have not tried a Thunderbolt 3 Drive array. We only tried Blackjet UX-1 Thunderbolt 3 Cinema Doc. Have You tried as described with Device connected at Boot?
From the Bios, You will not see anything about Thunderbolt. What You should see from Bios, are the Devices You have connected to Thunderbolt.
Would a board like gigabytes Z390 Designare , with native tb3 be a better alternative to the expansion card?
Hi Joel Neibauer,
For most people, short answer, yes. However, Thunderbolt is just 1 Technology to embrace. For Intel, suggest nothing less than X299 Chipset. The 1st issue is the Thunderbolt Technology. Anything Built onto the Motherboard, right now, would be Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt 3. If You wanted the latest Thunderbolt Chipset with latest Firmware, Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 - Add in Card.
Intel has turned the software & firmware over to the Vendors and the Vendors don't seem to be Updating the Firmware. And if You read the TI Winbond comments, even Vendors are having problems getting the Firmware right. Certain Thunderbolt Devices require updated Firmware to work properly. Therein lies the rub. Appears Intel Thunderbolt Certification is about 2 years behind based on existing motherboard support.
An example would be to search the Gigabyte Chineese FTP site and see what's available for products relating to Thunderbolt.
Furthermore, You'll want PCIe Bifurcation for an NVMe RAID. You'll get that on a HEDT Platform like X299 & X399 Chipsets or on a Workstation Platform. Until we get new Chipsets - Coming with PCIe 4.0 & PCIe 5.0, this is it! Options. Good Question - Thanks for Watching!
Good to know you don't need the 6-pin connectors unless you need to power any devices. I'd rather my RTX 3080 has two separate 8-pin connectors than two in a single split cable. Not that I had any issues when I tried with a single cable, but eh.
Hi Chaos Theory, Agreed. I hear that! Thanks for watching! Appreciate Your Comments!
Very informative! I wanted to use a universal arrow card on my amd setup but the lack of
Thunderbolt 3 is frustrating. Amd 3900x with asus 570 e game motherboard. Any solution ?
Hi MikeL Martz, Thank You for Your Comments! Agreed! You might be able to get Thunderbolt 3 working, soft of. Requires the Gigabyte Titan Ridge AIC. On the AIC, Jump Pins 3 to 5. Keeps the card alive! Your results may vary! Be careful if You try this!
ASRock is doing the most to get Thunderbolt 3 working on the AMD Platform right now. Our Goal, is to show the progression. We have Thunderbolt 3 working on the TRX40 Platform. And we'll be covering 2 Audio interfaces soon. We keep getting tons of questions about NVMe right now. Stay tuned!
Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Unboxing, Comparison and AIC Simple Install on Gigabyte TRX40 Designare - th-cam.com/video/8zinqjWO7nE/w-d-xo.html
Hey did you test put the Thunderboltex 4 and did ot work thibking about upgrading my system so i can use tb4ex with Apple tb2 display
Hi Behrad Moini,
Welcome! We did not! And have several Videos about Thunderbolt 3, Thunderbolt 4 and what that requires. Due to the Motherboard Header changes, no way would that work going from the 5 pin Header + 3 Pin Header and a different Driver model then Bios support. That's not going to work! And now Thunderbolt 4 is USB4 Version 1. Even Motherboard Chipset that supports Thunderbolt 4 may not support USB4 due to a Bios setting for, PCIe Tunneling over USB4. On the TRX40 HEDT, We're stuck at Thunderbolt 3. On the WRX80 Workstation Platform, only 1 Motherboard supports Thunderbolt 4 and that's ASRock! The Gigabyte WRX80 Workstation Motherboard only supports Thunderbolt 3 as well. Frustrating situation! Hope those Details help! Thanks for Asking!
Just a quick question as to weather or not the current Gigabyte bios upgrade has hot plug working properly? Going to be building an Audio rig with this MB, which means I need my TB audio interface to function with out reboot as i tend to power off the interface and leave my PC in sleep mode.
Hi Chris Taylor,
What's Your TB Audio Interface? Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme Motherboard Bios Update: mb_bios_x399-aorus-xtreme_f5g_n.zip? USB4 by end of 2020 which will incorporate TB.
1.) Keep PC in High Performance Mode. Only allow Monitor to turn off.
2.) DPC Latency - Minimize those issues.
Going through emergency whole house PEX Repipe right now. Cannot test, check or verify anything until PEX project is completed.
focusrite clarett, it works fine on usb 3 through asus x99 -a2 Motherboard. so if hot plug is fixed through recent bios update i should have no problem.
im currently building aorus extreme system.
Hi@@christaylor553,
Focusrite, that's what we use! Currently 2 - USB versions - 1 Rackmount & 1 - Desktop. As soon as we get back up and running, we'll check and see.
Hi@@christaylor553,
*X399 Aorus Xtreme* - Excellent resource allocation! Are You using the 2950 CPU? _Bang for the Buck!_
So about the Apple XDR display, do you think it would work as 100% normal with this card? I have my doubts because the XDR uses about 36 Gbps @ 6K (6016×3384) resolution vs PCIe 3.0 bandwidth limitation. I love AMD 3rd Gen ThreadRipper and Apple XDR together, but it seems if I have to use the XDR monitor, I need the new Mac Pro. Such a shame.
Hi Ho Lee Fuk,
To the question, Caped Crusader... Thunderbolt Bandwidth / Throughput 4 PCIe 3.0 Lanes for Data Delivery.
How does this achieve 40GBit/s over ThunderBolt when PCIe 3.0 x4 is only capable of 30.781GBit/s? And how does the new Mac Pro deliver Bandwidth / Throughput? What Chipset are they Using? Intel? Expect same performance, if it worked. And, how can we measure that to quantify those results to know what is real, actual throughput and what is speced?
Here's a good explanation although be it a brief one...
macperformanceguide.com/blog/2019/20190128_1352-understanding-Thunderbolt3-bandwidth.html
Back to Your Question... Agreed. Doubt it will work. Only because of Intel not allowing it. Certification Requirements. Bandwidth should be OK on a per Port basis. Will this change? Since USB Forum is suppose to be running the USB Bus, and Thunderbolt is now under their tutelage, let's hope so! Now we need to see someone try it and find out!
Now we're talking... PCIe 3.0. Expect USB4 to be PCIe 4.0, and that's when Thunderbolt should get interesting! When? Crystal Ball guess - Everyone is oddly silent on the matter. 2021? Guessing.
www.usb.org/usb4
www.apple.com/mac-pro/specs/
CPU: Intel Xeon W
Chipset: Intel C621 Chipset (PCIe 3.0) = 20 Lanes. No comparison to a Threadripper III with 88 total PCIe 4.0 lanes!!!
www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3970x
To Build or not to Build... Threadripper III! Stay tuned... Enjoy!
Hi Ho Lee Fuk
,
Jeepers Capers Crusader, Mac Pro can drive Four Pro Display XDRs, using AMD Radeon Pro Vega II Duo! Wow! With that being said, why route video through a Thunderbolt card?
B&H - Mac Pro, Unleashed - See: Digital Darkroom
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/promotion/15687/mac-pro-unleashed.html
Use the Radeon Pro Vega II Duo MPX Module with your Mac Pro
support.apple.com/en-us/HT210392
May the Force, of the Threadripper, be with You! This just keeps getting more interesting! Stay tuned!
For anyone curious, you can run this card on most platforms without the thunderbolt header on your motherboard by jumping pins 3 and 5 on the THB_C cable included with the card. That way the card thinks it's plugged into your motherboard. Works very well for me on TRX40 Zenith II Extreme with no THB_C header on the board :) If you google it, there is a thread on egpu.io with a post detailing info. As I once thought, the thunderbolt header is merely a form of DRM, to ensure you are using it with an "authorized" board. It's also supposed to handle DP passthrough management, but since you run a DP passthrough cable anyway, it's not really needed. Haven't had any issues yet daisy chaining hard drives, nics, monitors etc
Hi Julian,
Yes. As we have stated and restated many times in comments. Thanks for sharing Your experience. We learn by doing. Thanks for watching!
Julian,
1.) Do You have Hot Swap capability?
2.) Have You been able to use Legacy mode? ie. Thunderbolt I & II?
@@BuildOrBuy I haven't tested any legacy TB devices as I have none to test, but hotswap works for me with devices like hard drives, NICs and monitors.
@@JulianUccetta,
Interesting. Let Us know. If and when, You do get a chance to test.
We were only able to achieve Device Enumeration at Boot.
We'll Update after we Build our TRX40. Waiting on Parts as we speak.
Thanks for Update.
The slow cables (20Gb/s Thunderbolt 3 or plain USB-C cables) are 20Gb/s (2x 10Gb/s).
Fast Thunderbolt 3 cables are 40Gb/s (2x 20Gb/s).
Thank You Nicholas for your insight & clarifications. BTW: How are You using Thunderbolt 3? Did You have any problems getting it working?
Asus x299 Deluxe Prime has mobo onboard supported Thunderbolt, no third party card required.
Hi VideoByPatrick, Yes. All x299 Motherboards will Support Thunderbolt 3 whether requiring a Thunderbolt 3 AIC or not. X299 chipset is Intel. Thunderbolt, also Intel. The rest of Us play catch up. Thanks for sharing. We appreciate Yor Comments and Participation. BTW: Are You using Thunderbolt 3? If so, how?
@@BuildOrBuy Seconds after I posted comment I NewEgg ordered a non Chinese Type C 3.1 SD card reader. no more USB3.
Hi@@VideoByPatrick, Outstanding! Do You have a link to share? Thanks for the Update.
@@BuildOrBuy NewEgg Item=9SIA24G3SW1293 It's Gen 1 version but twice faster than USB3
Hi@@VideoByPatrick, Thanks. This info may help another Subscriber. Keep Us posted on Your progress.
I did a lot of research on the internet about TB3 and AMD and your video was the only one explaining everything detailed. Great job! I purchased an audio interface (apollo twin quad TB3) just to realise that my setup doesnt support TB3. Now Im planning to built a new setup. I will go to US just for this. Threadripper 2990WX 3.0 GHz 32-Core + Gigabyte X399 Designare EX + Gc-titan Ridge. I will proceed carefully with your instructions to make this system going. What RAM do you recomend for this system? and what cpu air x water cooler? I was thinking of the Noctua NH-U14S TR4 but Im not shure if it will be enough for this chipset.
I could built a intel system with a TB3 onboard on the mobo, but the hole thing is just too expensive and the 2990WX outruns intel 9980XE on performance and runs at lower temps aswell.
Thanks for the video, subscribed to your channel.
I work with videography and music production and I agree with Darren Willem about the color balance (I use a x-rite color checker to make my life easier).
But about the shirt, its your style and I like it! Keep on..
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Hi Quadra Supply,
Thanks! Details matter! Can You existing Computer handle a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card? If not, yes, new system!
All Drivers must be the latest for everything to Register and Enumerate properly! Universal Audio Apollo Twin MKII QUAD 2x6 Thunderbolt Audio Interface? Good choice. With external power? To avoid noise. Yes, TB3 however, no need to add noise issues. Fixing Hum and Popping is like chasing gremlins. We learned that one using USB Audio Interfaces. Anyway... Just remember, USB4 is coming soon! Best Bang for the Buck - Chipset... CPU & Motherboard. The Gigabyte (Intel) Titan Ridge (chipset) Controller is a must.
RAM... Since You're going with the Threadripper 2990 (consider the 2950), do You want Samsung B-Die? Expensive. We're partial to Corsair Vengeance. Not Samsung B-Die but it works. Have successfully used, Kingston Technology HyperX. Still testing other brands. Next Threadripper Build Video we may use Crucial.
Can You live with 64 GB RAM? 128 GBs is finicky until we get more Bios Updates. Use www.PCPartPicker.com to explore Your RAM Options for best price. RAM is no big deal to change out as long as only using 64 GBs. 128 GBs would require removing the CPU Cooler Fans. No big deal. The RAM will slide right under the CPU Cooler. Just elevate CPU Cooler Fans slightly to accommodate RAM. The Foundation though - Chipset to Motherboard to CPU - Now that's a big deal.
Noctua NH-U14S TR4 - Yes! Keep It simple. Plus Add the 2nd Fan, Extra Clips included with Noctua NH-U14S TR4. Every little bit helps. Keeping the Video Card cool is more crucial and has been more problematic than the CPU. We've also successfully used the Noctua 140MM Industrial 3,000 RPM Fans in the Case. Use Motherboard Thermistors to Monitor heat. If they spin up, then you know there's a heat problem. Otherwise, they idle at maybe 600 RPM once fully booted. Set from Bios to avoid extemporaneous software. Which brings up another point...
We'll address *DPC Latency* and other Audio issues in the near future. Good by WiFi! Wired LAN stays - Tweak it - MTUs! Turn off anything green or power saving. No more sleep or hibernate of any kind. Everything stays as High Performance mode. Stay tuned! Sweetwater has just Updated their article on the subject: Solving DPC Latency Issues - www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/solving-dpc-latency-issues/ We're working on a humorous way of demonstrating DPC Latency. We'll see if it gets the message across effectively.
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The Color Balance - That's an interesting topic when using 4 Cameras. Using one Camera is easy. Auto White Balance on 4 Cameras is different on each due to Lighting Temperature. And it changes for same reason. And going to 6 Cameras, You get the idea. We're working on that. We could spend a year on a Video and still need tweaking. You have to make a production decision and move on. Or else You'd never finish. All Cameras should have Custom White Balance set to help avoid that issue or it floats and not in your favor. And given time to warm up a bit once they are turned on. Maybe 30 minutes. What is seen, while Shooting on a small Monitor looks different when Editing on a larger Monitor. Better Shoot, easier Edit. That's 3 Conversations going on at the same time - What the Viewer sees, What the Talking head says and what needs to be done to communicate that message like changing Shots while Talking. Now that's being ambidextrous!
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@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the awesome reply! I'm planning a trip to US just to buy this new set up. Hardware and components are extremely expensive here in Brazil. It wil be cheaper to buy a plane ticket, travel, stay at a homie's house buy my stuff and get back (about 4 days) than to buy this setup here. To have an Idea, the setup (AMD) would cost me 30.000 BRL, something around 7.692US. yes, absurd. Lets keep in touch, Maybe I can get you some Havaianas from here and send you by mail as a gift. Those 26US havaianas cost around 12BRL here (4US). I'll be staying at costa mesa - california) Just let me know.
Right now I'm using the apollo twin quad on my mac book pro and trying to make some money out of it. couple of months more and I will be taking that plane.
Your video was super helpfull, I was just about to buy a i9 7960x + asus prime x299 deluxe II + be quiet dark rock pro 4 + 64GB Ballistics sport LT DD4 2666mhz (dont know if 128Gb would be necessary - tryed to google it and it seems that there is no much information about if a 128GB RAM is worth it. What your toughts? I mostly work with adobe creative such as After Effects, Photoshop, Premiere etc also with music production but the workstation itself is more for video editing)
But it would take a little more to make that money anyway (intel), so your video was super good cause made me think about a threadripper setup and threadripper setup will be.
Cheers!
Hi@@joaotradu,
1.) You're most welcome! Outstanding! Thanks! We should stock Up on Havaianas!
2.) Build Your system while in US. Do Your smoke test and make certain everything works. Give it 24 hours to run. All parts are good for 30 days, to return, so make the most of that time frame - To your advantage.
3.) If You could wait a while longer and we could verify everything on Thunderbolt Audio... Universal Audio Apollo Twin MKII QUAD 2x6 Thunderbolt Audio Interface. We cannot Shoot Video or Test right now. Had to do major emergency whole house PEX Repipe. What a mess. Sheetrock dust everywhere on everything not covered. And a bunch of other remodeling (Foundation Repair - Helical Piers, new Medical Grade AC / Furnace) while we're at it. We will be up and running in October, 2019.
The Asus Prime x299 Deluxe II is a solid choice. Ray Morris Built on that platform. He's strictly Intel. However, the x399 Threadripper is a better, solid choice for Resource Allocation. And Thunderbolt works, for the most part, but is finicky. It will get better.
Your RAM - Crucial is a good choice. We like to work within, where someone has a comfort zone, and only steer in a direction when there are better options. Stick with 64 GBs. You can work up to 128 GBS, in time, after a few more Bios Updates. After that, You're looking at an AMD EPYC Machine.
Adobe is a resource hog and will take all the resources You can throw at it.
Your Video card - Even though everything points to NVIDIA, take a close look at AMD WX Pro cards. They are Bang for the Buck in Resources.
Cooler - be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler - Good choice especially for Audio work. BTW: You might want to line the Case with Sound deadening material if doing Live audio. Let Us know if and when You need any help!
@@BuildOrBuy
Thats it!
Send me your adress and I will send you some havaianas.
2) Thats what I was planning to do, thanks for the input.
About the RAM, I will buy 128gb 2666mhz just in case and wait for bios updates. I also have the option to sell it 64gb here if I Need.
Nice you mention the AMD GPU, I got a WX 9100 running on my setup right now, so I will save it for my new setup.
Thanks again Gill, you the man!
Hi@@joaotradu,
This is exciting! Building a Computer is always exciting! You're moving in the right direction! You know all about the AMD WX cards. Another Bang for the Buck choice! For email... Click on BuildOrBuy under Video. Go to: About, Details. View Email Address. We'd like to make certain everything was to Your satisfaction before arriving however... Keep Us Posted! And let Us know if You need any help! Enjoy!
Will you try this in the gigabyte x570 extreme?
Hi Simon Miller,
Now that's an excellent Question! We'll explore the idea and see if it's possible. PCIe 4.0 is a game changer for Resource Allocation! If it's possible, we would consider. However remember, USB4 is coming and that too will be another Game changer!
Socket AM4 - AMD X570 - Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME (rev.1.0)
- Supports 2nd & 3rd Generation CPU. Not 1st Generation CPU.
- PCIe x16 runs at x8 when using 2nd Slot (CPU); x8 (CPU) - Shared bandwidth; x4 (Chipset)
Should work. Won't know till we try. Looks good on paper. If we had enough requests...
Did not work on AMD Ryzen 7 1800X + MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM Motherboard. If we were to Build AMD X570, it would definitely be Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME! Now we'll need a PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 Drive... Hello Corsair MP600 - Half the lanes for the same bandwidth! Corsair MP600 - To be released on August 1, 2019. An October 2019 Build. Motherboard Bios is currently F1.
Motherboard & CPU to be released July 7th, 2019.
Has th3 support cancelled for x399 designare ex 1.0 with th3 header...i have tr 1920x cpu. None of alpine 1 or 2 or titan cards work on that mb now? It's now 4/16/2020.
Hi Cjon,
For support, we need Bios update. Without support, only Titan Ridge card can work by jumping Pins 3 to 5 on TB3 header of Titan Ridge AIC. Doing so keeps card alive.
BTW: Curious to note, Bios Support on 1 Gigabyte Threadripper III Motherboard for Titan Ridge AIC.
@@BuildOrBuy I just want add in card to my x399 designare ex 1.0 with tr1920x cpu for higher max speed 40gps for my new wd gtech external 4tb hdd usbc thunderbolt3 compatible for data transfer not daisychain or run multiply displays. Does not matter now here comes USB4 ...maybe pci card for older tech.
So does the x399 aorus extreme support thunderbolt 3 through bios now?
Hi Franz Pleurmann,
Not yet. Not as far as we know. We can dream! Curious... Latest Bios is for Bifurcation. We are unable to test to verify and confirm at this time. Currently remodeling. We will test though, as soon as possible. For now, Jumping pins 3 to 5 does the job. Hot Plug does not work. Since USB4 is coming, that may be the only way to get Thunderbolt 3 completely working.
BuildOrBuy Thanks for answering. What a bummer. I guess will stick to the asrock x570 with tb3 header. Recently there are some really good deals with x399 and frist/second threadripper but without fully fuctional tb3 it is less apealing to me.
how do I use this card to output video to my monitor? No one seems to explain this. I have an Aorus z390 ultra. Is it possible to use this thunderbolt card along with a USB c to HDMI thunderbolt cable? Thanks in advance.
Hi Derrick McFall,
Excellent Question! Video out from video card has to be routed in, to Thunderbolt card. Aorus z390 ultra - Using on-board HDMI Video?
1.) Output from video card routed into Mini DisplayPort In on Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 (Get HDMI to Mini DisplayPort cable).
2.) Output from DisplayPort on Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 to Monitor or use Thunderbolt 3 to Monitor. Use which ever connector Your monitor supports.
We all have different expectations and therefor different uses for Thunderbolt 3. USB C to HDMI Thunderbolt Cable... Which Cable? Expect 4k 30 (USB-C to HDMI Adapter).
This will get 4K 60 (DisplayPort to HDMI Adapter) = StarTech CDP2HD4K60
CDP2HDUCP = StarTech.com USB-C to HDMI Adapter - 4K 60Hz - Thunderbolt 3 Compatible - with Power Delivery (USB PD) - USB C Adapter Converter or...
USB C to HDMI Adapter (4K@60Hz), uni USB Type-C to HDMI Adapter [Thunderbolt 3 Compatible] This adapter works ONLY with devices with DP Alt Mode. www.amazon.com/Adapter-uni-Thunderbolt-Compatible-MacBook/dp/B075V68NVR/
Notice: We have yet to test any of the cables mentioned. We will be doing so in the future. Remember - USB4 is on the horizon! Hope this helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you for your reply. If the HDMI on my mobo is 1.4 would there be any reason to expect I'd be able to get 4k 60Frames from the thunderbolt? Would there be an advantage to using this card as opposed to just plugging HDMI from my mobo to the monitor? And can the tb3 ports still be used for storage drives if I have a miniDP in from HDMI?
@@BuildOrBuy And yeah currently using on board HDMI
Hi@@derrickmcfall8702,
Glad to help! No, just FYI. Nope, nada, zilch. Unless You have a Thunderbolt Monitor. And finally, Yes! Thunderbolt has many objectives. Power Delivery, Data & Video are the main three.
Hi@@derrickmcfall8702,
Makes sense. Good use of Resources.
May I just don't want to except it, because I saw many posts that actually said that AMD can't support TB3 via an Asus ThunderboltEX3 but I will ask again. Actually I have an MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC MB with an Ryzen 5 2600 and tried to get things done via Asus TBEX3. After some other issues mg brother said that it could work if I pull out my internal ssd card. Because of it the pci ports where my Asus TBEX3 can't work correctly. Is there a chance I get things worked out with this combination? X399 Mainboard have the TB3 header but the b450 also have this undefined header called JT1 which has the same plug like TB3. Hopefully you understand what I'm saying because my mother language is german. Regards
Hi Andre Ibenz,
Your English is good! AMD can support Intel Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 chipset. However, on Your Motherboard - 1st Requirement - 1 PCIe 3.0 x4 Slot (Video card). MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC - Your Motherboard does not have the Resources for a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 add in card. Your other Slots are all PCIe 2.0. And an upcoming, yet to be released, USB4 card will not work either. Same requirements. Would You like the details? You need a Motherboard with more Resources.
And the JT1, between the JTPM1 & JUSB1, is not a 5 Pin Thunderbolt Header. Agreed, JT1 is not documented. Shows up in Pics but not in MSI PDF. Curious. Register Your Motherboard and Create a Support ticket with MSI and Ask! Then let Us know what You learn.
Let's talk next time before You Build and Discuss the Specs so You'll know what You're getting before you Build rather than after the fact!
I appreciate your help a lot. Thx! So which motherboard would you recommend? X399? Cheers
Well there's one thing I have noticed you said that's actually wrong. My card actually has 1x PCIe 2.0 x16 (x4) slot.
Hi@@andreibenz1462,
Read what You just stated again. 1x PCIe 2.0 x16 - You need 1 PCIe 3.0 Slot, NOT PCIe 2.0. Details matter. PCIe 3.0 has the Resources where as PCIe 2.0 does not. And You're not the only one in that predicament.
Hi@@andreibenz1462,
For an X399 Motherboard - First - Do You have a Preference on Brand? Next keep in mind, all X399 Motherboards have essentially the same basic layout according to the Chipset.
2 - PCIe 3.0 x16 Slots & 2 - PCIe 3.0 x8 Slots - the 5th or last Slot(s) vary. And there will be 3 PCIe M.2 NVMe Connectors on the Motherboard which use 12 PCIe 3.0 Lanes. Even though You'll have 66 PCIe 3.0 Lanes, they will run out! Use them wisely and plan accordingly.
Hello my friend! I just installed a gc titan ridge in my z390m gaming mobo. I’m using to record music with a universal áudio apollo twin x. Its working fine but time to time it just shuts down and stops working. It already happened like 3 or 4 times but somehow the card restart working after some time. Do you know what it can be? Thanks a lot!!
Hi Lucas Orione,
Nice to Meet You! Universal Audio Apollo Twin X... Too much DSP for the CPU. I know, Quad Core Intel i7, it should work. Back off the Plug-ins and see if that helps! The other option would be lower track count.
www.uaudio.com/audio-interfaces/apollo-twin-x.html
www.asus.com/Motherboards/TUF-Z390M-PRO-GAMING/HelpDesk_CPU/
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z390-M-GAMING-rev-10/support#support-cpu
Another option might be DPC Latency. For starters... Shut down any WiFi on the Motherboard. We're going to do a Video on that Subject later!
@@BuildOrBuy my friend, first of all, thanks for the fast reply! So, probably DSP is not the problem. Check my config: Intel i7 9700k 9th generation (octa core); 48gb ram (2x8 3.600 and 2x16 3.600); SSD m2 xpg spectrix s40G 512gb. No gpu (I’m using Intel graphics). I also added to the mobo two pcie cards: the titan ridge (pcie x16 slot, the second, not the graphics card slot) and a firewire port (pcie x1 Port). In this port, I’m using an UAD satellite firewire quad. When the titan ridge is working, I’m able to work perfectly... never had DSP issues (I only produce my personal stuff at home). The problem is that sometimes, while working, I receive a message telling me the system is unable to detect the apollo. And also all the thunderbolt information in the computer cannot be found as well. It happened yesterday night for exemple. Today, just turned on my computer and everything is working fine, like nothing happened. I just cant figure out what causes the breakdown or what make it work again. Btw, I’m kindda new to the building cpu word 😅
Hi@@lucasorione8373, Absolutely! This is a process of elimination. Options for testing... I would suggest removing the 1394 FireWire card. We have another Subscriber, I think it was Tony, who was having problems with FireWire. He ended up getting an adapter to get the Device working since Thunderbolt was the priority. I don't remember him telling me which Adapter he's using! We are our own best tech support! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy appreciate your effort to help my friend! I think I might do like Tony... As I have 2 tb3 ports available, I saw some people using 2 apple connectors in order to sucessfully connect firewire ports in tb3 ports ( firewire-tb2 and tb2-tb3 adapters). Here in Brazil these adapter are very expensive, but if its probably the solution, gonna take the risk. Didnt know a pcie card could affect the operation of another. Thanks for the tip! Keep doing your awesome job! Best regards
Hi@@lucasorione8373, The problem is the different Generations of different Technologies. One does not know about the other. A 1 Lane AIC should not affect a 4 Lane AIC. However, here We are! The other problem is the throughput vs burst mode. We've seen the same behavior happen with early version USB 3.0 ports. They too will disconnect. Throughput vs burst mode. It's the Chipset on the AIC. Thanks for Your Comments! Hope this does the job! Please let Us know! If it does, we can thank Tony!
Alright, here's my experience.
I also have the Gigabyte X399 Auros Xtreme and I instead have the Alpine Ridge card.
I am able to get the card to work in my system, drivers installed and external devices seen within windows after a lot of playing with things. My problem is I can not get my system to stop locking up with the card in my system. For a long time it would totally lock up in windows after 30 seconds or so of running.
I played with my bios settings for a long time. I played with everything and eventually got it working without issue by changing "Power Supply Idle Control" to Typical. After 3 days I turned PC off and swapped coolers and when i turned it back on the issue came back. Resetting bios and changing those settings doesn't solve my problem anymore.
I'm guessing maybe I have a bad board but this isn't bulletproof. I have to decide if I want to swap for the same board or pick something else I guess.
Hi Jeffrey,
Thunderbolt 3 - What a mess! BTW: Excellent Motherboard! My Advise - Something else... Can You get Your hands on a Titan Ridge? They are scarce as hens teeth right now. Would not have expected the Alpine Ridge to be such a problem child. Our Titan Ridge performance has been consistent. Right now, best price on Titan Ridge is on eBay via Taiwan. NewEgg is out. Amazon has them, more expensive. Appreciate You sharing Your experience. ...changing "Power Supply Idle Control" to Typical. Good to know. Keep Us posted!
Interesting to note, we had an Alpine Ridge card on Order. Amazon Delivery lost it! Not the first time they lost an Order they were suppose to Deliver. With Your experience, we don't need to try that now. Curious. And the Thunderbolt 3 Saga continues!
@@BuildOrBuy Well, this is still kicking my ass over here. I drove out to microcenter today and swapped my board out with another X399 Auros xtreme and proceeded to rebuild my entire PC. Booted it back up and am still having the same issue where if I have anything plugged into this TB3 card the PC locks up before I can even log into windows (or right after). I played with bios for a long time as well today.
I don't know if my card is faulty, or what but what I did do is order an AsRock thunderbolt 3 AIC. It unfortunately is also based off Alpine Ridge and not Titan Ridge but we will see what happens. I have a feeling I will have to pin my own THB_C cable as this one is the older standard not currently on my motherboard. If I can't make it work at that point I have to decide between building an X299 build or ordering and waiting for the titan ridge.
Hi@@juhthreef,
Keep it Simple and stop beating yourself up! Get a Titan Ridge card. In the mean time, something else you can try - On the Alpine Ridge, Thunderbolt 3, 5 Pin GPIO Header - Jump Pins 3 to 5. This is suppose to work on the Titan Ridge where there is no Thunderbolt support. Don't know if it will make a difference on the Alpine Ridge.
Thunderbolt Platform Sequence Control - Gigabyte does not give color coding. Asus does.
1. Gnd (Black)
2. Platform Sequence Control (Brown)
3. Platform Sequence Control (Red)
4. Plug_Event (Orange)
5. Power (yellow)
For reference:
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X299-A/
dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2066/PRIME_X299-A/E12782_PRIME_X299-A_UM_WEB.pdf
In PDF - Page 36. To note orientation of Pin Out in reference to connector key. Ray Morris built using that Motherboard. We're going to do a Video using his Motherboard for Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. In the mean time, I'll reorder the Alpine Ridge card, Amazon lost, and see what happens knowing what you've experienced, we'll be ready for the worst!
BTW: Which PCIe Slot are You using?
Remember: If You go X299 - You'll have 44 PCIe Lanes, using Core i9-7900X, instead of 66 PCIe Lanes on the X399 with any Threadripper CPU. Plus, you'd need a VROC chip if you chose to do RAID on anything above RAID 0. Some things to think about! Keep Us Posted!
Hi@@juhthreef,
One more thing... We have No Bios support, as of this moment. Intel appears to be 2 years behind on Certification even thought it's suppose to be free Certification. Only the 5 Pin GPIO Header. And there are only 2 - X399 Motherboards with that GPIO Header. Both are Gigabyte. Jump Pins - 3 to 5 or get a Titan Ridge and Jumping those Pins may still be the only option. And on non supported systems, a Titan Ridge appears to be the best option. We only have partial Thunderbolt support. Meaning, GPIO Header but nothing in the Bios as of yet on X399. We can only rely upon what we know by doing and trying. And then report our findings.
What's curious is the purpose of the GPIO Header. That's for status communication, to the Bios, through the SMBus which all PCIe cards can already do through the PCIe connector on Pins 5 & 6 on PCIe connector side B.
pinouts.ru/Slots/pci_express_pinout.shtml
www.interfacebus.com/Design_PCI_Express_16x_PinOut.html
www.adexelec.com/faq.htm#pcikeys
The Component side of the PCI card is the B side and the solder side of the card is the A side.
Stick with the X399 Build! Better resource allocation even though Thunderbolt is still a work in progress! And Thunderbolt is only one piece of the puzzle.
@@BuildOrBuy Hi, let me understand better: on your X399 Aorus Xtreme you had to jump (connect) pins to make the card work? For GPIO header you mean the 'undocumented' TB header on the board? Also, is hotplug working correctly (from the video looks like)? I'm considering to buy the GC-Titan-Ridge but i'd like to know if it's working without having to resort to pins jumping (I have the same motherboard, bios 5G). Thanks.
Brand new install of Windows 11 here, and I've spent hours trying to install Titan Ridge 2.0 to no avail. Motherboard is Gigabyte z690 Aero G DDR4. The computer has a hackintosh install on another disk and my Apollo Twin X works flawlessly. But on Win11, impossible to install the drivers. Always an exclamation mark near to the device in device manager. Any idea ?
Hi Don Salluste,
Welcome! On Windows 10 it's all about the Drivers Order of Motherboard Chipset, Video then Thunderbolt. Titan Ridge 2.0 does not indicate a Firmware Update yet, only FW50 dated 3-3-2021. Gigabyte does not indicate a Driver yet for Windows 11. Have You installed, Windows update (KB5008215) for Windows 11? I have read that has worked for some. I do not know about that from personal experience. Hope that helps! Keep Us Posted.
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you so much for your reply. I was also wondering that it might be a windows 11 problem. But I also thought that a driver working on win 10 should also work on win 11 (?). Windows downloaded the MB software which itself downloaded all the drivers for the MB components. All win 11 updates seem to be installed (System up to date). Gigabyte support didn't reply to my mail, i'm really getting lost :(
Hi@@donsalluste7296,
Absolutely! We need to isolate the problem. Did You Build this Computer with or without Thunderbolt AIC? If possible, remove Thunderbolt AIC and see if You still have any issues in Device Manager. BTW: Did You install Motherboard Drivers from CD or from Gigabyte website. Only Drivers and none of the bloteware. Then install Thunderbolt AIC and check Device Manager. Forget Vendor tech support. They are all alike.
@@BuildOrBuy Hello ! I built it without, but as I changed audio gear for an Apollo Twin X, I needed to buy the Titan Ridge 2.0 to be able to connect the Apollo. And on my other Monterey hackintosh disk, there's no problem, all works fine. AIC is the 5 pin header on the MB right ?
About MB drivers, they've been installed from the Gigabyte app downloaded by Windows automatically when i first boot up. I took care to install only required drivers and not any Norton security stuff etc..
Hi@@donsalluste7296,
1.) AIC is Add in Card. Specifically the Thunderbolt 3 Rev 2.0 Add in card. The 5 Pin Header is typically referred to as that or THB_C Header.
2. You're going to have to look at the Device Errors in Device Manager and isolate what Device is not enumerating correctly. Sounds like You're missing the Thunderbolt Driver. What about the Thunderbolt Control Panel? Did that install from the Thunderbolt 3 Rev 2.0 Add in card Driver CD?
my NVM firmware version is 16. How do I update that? My Motherboard is Asus Premium Z170
Hi all kinds of things,
This will get You to: NVM Firmware version: 23.00. 1.)You'll need the Driver / Firmware. 2.) Attach a Thunderbolt 3 Device. 3.) Install Driver / Firmware. Suggest reboot for proper Device Enumeration. Gigabyte has removed the Driver from their website. Suspect Driver is being migrated to Microsoft store download. More hassle. Here's what You want: mb_driver_thunderbolt_17.4.77.400. zip - 06-Sep-2018 6.7MB - 10 seconds to download. Driver supports: Alpine Ridge & Titan Ridge only; Supported Operating Systems: Windows 10 64-bit.
download. gigabyte. cn/FileList/Driver/ - Not direct linking * - link broken up on purpose - remove spaces. Concerned Gigabyte might remove that link too! Once downloaded, see and read: release notes.txt - Have not tried procedure. Have only read about it. We're all going to be in that same situation soon! Hope that helps. Thanks for Watching!
Hi all kinds of things
,
This is like an East Egg Hunt! Status on Your Progress? Which Thunderbolt card are You using? Are You using the Asus ThunderboltEX 3 card? Asus has 2 files:
1.) Utility: ThunderboltEX 3 firmware update tool - Version 1-0-0-15
- Dated 11/10/2017 - Rar File. There is NO documentation within that file to know what's going on nor any way to know what NVM Firmware is provided. Noticed a GPIOWrite directory. Read the chip1_Fw.dat file. Could only make out Power State. Unable to decipher anything else.
2.) Hotfix: Intel Thunderbolt Driver for Windows 10 64-bit - Zip file. release notes aka Thunderbolt Software Release Notes - Appears to be same file as Gigabyte provides which is from Intel. This Asus driver supports Alpine Ridge only! Version 17-2-71-250.
www.asus.com/us/Motherboard-Accessories/ThunderboltEX-3/
Gigabyte has a separate Thunderbolt Firmware Update Tool Utility listed for the Alpine Ridge but not the Titan Ridge. The Titan Ridge readme file appears to also be able to update Firmware. Cannot confirm.
The Alpine Ridge Firmware Update Tool is much older dated 04/13/2017 - Version: B16-1118-1 (Firmware 21 + TI 1.7). Still newer NVM Firmware than what You have, if applicable. And Driver Dates: 03/07/2018 - Version 16-2-52-250 for Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 all 64 bit. They really make Us work for this Info! BTW: Have to use dashes instead of dots on file versions to prevent tripping TH-cam automatic URL configuration.
Hi
all kinds of things,
Any Progress? We have a 3rd option. This will not get the latest NVM Firmware but should be able to update you to later than what You have. Here's what we know - Your Motherboard: Asus Premium Z170 shares same Thunderbolt 3 Controller as Gigabyte Alpine Ridge - B-Step Thunderbolt 3 controller.
Tools Required: Using the Intel NUC FW Update Tool + Gigabyte Alpine Ridge Firmware. We need the correct Bin file to Update. It either works or it doesn't. FW Update Tool reads firmware Identifiers to allow the process to proceed or discontinue.
Have personally tried the Intel NUC FW Update Tool on the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Controller. Wanted to see what would happen. Nothing. It would not Update, gives error message, so no worry about breaking anything.
- Intel NUC FW Update Tool 33 & PDF - downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27679/Thunderbolt-3-Controller-Firmware-Update-Tool-for-Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC7i5BN-NUC7i7BN
- Gigabyte Alpine Ridge - www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-ALPINE-RIDGE-rev-10#support-dl - See Utility - Firmware 21 + TI 1.7. Will keep researching! Hope this helps!
Hi
all kinds of things,
FYI for other Users who may be reading this... Have You run PCI-Z - www.pci-z.com/ - This will identify the Thunderbolt Controller Chip. Useful for taking the guesswork out of possible Firmware Updates. Plus provides PCI Device ID to check against PCI ID Repository - pci-ids.ucw.cz/
Example: JHL6540 Thunderbolt 3 Bridge (C step) [Alpine Ridge 4C 2016] PCI bridge 8086:15D3 - pci-ids.ucw.cz/read/PC/8086/15d3 - This example is from our Threadripper II Build, which is a different resource than what You have.
Hi all kinds of things
,
Wanted to confirm your Thunderbolt Controller. We do not have access to a Asus Premium Z170 Motherboard. This can get an Alpine Ridge Controller to Firmware 21. Download Driver & Utility - Thunderbolt Upgrade Tool: www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-ALPINE-RIDGE-rev-10#support-dl
Follow Directions given. We will try this, our self, on an Alpine Ridge Controller and see if it works. And then let You know what we learn. Hope this helps!
The Titan Ridge Driver readme talks about Updating the firmware as if that capability is contained within the Titan Ridge Driver. We do not know if that is true or not. The Titan Ridge Driver is newer and claims it supports the Alpine Ridge Controller chipset as well. We'll see! The Titan Ridge Driver is for Windows 10 only. Whereas the Alpine Ridge driver supports prior versions of Windows.
So i couls connect this thunderbolt card to my gigabyte x570 in the 16 X lane if i am correct?
Hi Peter, You'll only need a x4 Slot. Therefor, use Your x8 Slot.
Get: Titan Ridge 2.0 Thunderbolt 3 card.
You have, 2 x16 Slots, mechanically. You only have 1 x16 electrically. And, depending upon which Motherboard You're using, when You install anything in the x8 Slot, You're x16 also drops to x8 electrically. And that's if You're using on-board Video...
Tell Us Your Motherboard Brand and Model, we'll research and give You more data.
@@BuildOrBuy i have the gigabyte aorus master x570 .
@@peterbrepoels2079 , We've check every Gigabyte X570 Motherboard, all same.
According to the chipset what's available is different from actual implementation.
If You use a Video card, that x16 Slot drops to x8 when You also use the x8 Slot. Shared Resources! If You have a 3rd x8 or x4 Slot, try that.
@@BuildOrBuy thank you !
Hi@@peterbrepoels2079, Yes! Absolutely!
Gigabyte z370 Aorus gaming 3 and Asus thunderbolt 3 pcie this is right or wrong
Or motherboard brand and pcie card same perfect working???
Hi Harry Saini,
Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 + Titan Ridge - Right!
1.) You have 1 x Thunderbolt add-in card connector (THB_C);
2.) Update Bios to latest version (F12b). Bios F11 Includes support for GC-Titan Ridge.
For better PCIe Device Enumeration.
3.) Install card in PCIEX4 Slot.
4.) THB_C cable installed + USB 2 Header Cable Installed.
5.) Bios - Peripherals - Turn On Intel Thunderbolt 3 & choose the Slot where Thunderbolt 3 AIC is installed. Thunderbolt Configuration
(Settings based on other Thunderbolt configurations). Motherboard PDF does not have these instructions. Based on Intel Z390 chipset settings.
6.) TBT Vt-d Base Security --> Disabled
7.) Thunderbolt Boot Support --> Disabled
8.) Security Level --> No Security
9.) Discrete Thunderbolt Configuration
10) Thunderbolt USB Support --> Enable/Disable either one is okay
11.) GPIO3 Force Pwr --> Enabled / True.
12.) Reboot.
13.) Install Windows Driver. On CD or from Gigabyte. Same Driver.
14.) Reboot. Plug In Thunderbolt 3 Device.
That should do it! Enjoy!
If I have an Ascend Thunderbilt 3ex Aegis gigabyte Aorus gaming 3 motherboard should take asus prime z370 A
Hi@@harrysaini9412,
After reading your message again. For clarity... We answer Questions posted on a Video as it pertains to the Video. Focus on the Chipset Controller - Gigabyte Titan Ridge. And none of the others. The previous, explicit, instructions are for the Gigabyte Titan Ridge to work on Your Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 3 Motherboard.
You mean specifically, You have an ASUS ThunderboltEX 3 controller? And You want to use that ASUS ThunderboltEX 3 Controller on a Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 3 Motherboard as well as an Asus Prime z370 A Motherboard... If You have an ASUS ThunderboltEX 3 controller, keep it on an ASUS motherboard.
Are You asking If the ASUS ThunderboltEX 3 controller will work in the Gigabyte Motherboard like it works in the ASUS Motherboard? Doubtful. Alpine Ridge (ASUS ThunderboltEX 3) vs the Titan Ridge (Gigabyte Titan Ridge) controller. The Gigabyte Titan Ridge is using the latest Intel DSL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller and appears to be the most compatible with everything, right now. Your results may vary. We have no experience with any of the Alpine Ridge controller chipsets, only the Gigabyte Titan Ridge. The Alpine Ridge controller is becoming obsolete.
The issue with compatibility goes much deeper than the Chipset controller. Firmware & Drivers. First, Bios support or more specifically PCIe Device Enumeration. Second, Firmware being the next most crucial. Many Users are having problems with getting Thunderbolt working. Intel appears to be 2 years behind on Thunderbolt Certification. Both Gigabyte and Intel are pointing fingers at each other leaving Us, Users in the lurch.
Getting Thunderbolt working requires a x4 PCIe 3.0 Slot. From there, we've documented 3 Levels of Support, we define as:
1.) Full Support - Bios PCIe Device Enumeration; GPIO 5-Pin Header + USB 2.0 Header present
2.) Partial Support - No Bios support; GPIO 5-Pin Header present + USB 2.0 Header
3.) No Support - No Bios support; No GPIO 5-Pin Header present
The GPIO 5-Pin Header is for SMBus communication which seems redundant since I/O cards do that already on PCIe Side B Connector, Pins 5 & 6. On the GPIO 5-Pin Header, Jumping Pins 3 to 5 seems to keep the Card alive. Which, if in the Bios, would be Force Power to Pin 3 aka Set in Bios "GPIO3 Force Pwr" to True. Odd and curious.
Some Users with No support appear to be having better luck getting Thunderbolt 3 working than those with Full Support. On the X399 Chipset, there are only 2 motherboards having, what we define as, Partial Support. Both are from Gigabyte. They are the X399 Aorus Xtreme & X399 Designare EX which have the GPIO 5-Pin Header.
Intel Thunderbolt Chipset controllers
ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/79641/thunderbolt-products.html
Gigabyte Thunderbolt Cards
www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Thunderbolt-Card
pcisig.com/specifications/pciexpress/
pinouts.ru/Slots/pci_express_pinout.shtml
And since USB4 has been announced, this will change everything by the end of 2020. That's not too far off in the distant future.
Looks like we're going to have to get a Gigabyte Alpine Ridge controller and test and see what happens... NOT! The Technology is changing rapidly... Forward! Hope this clarification helps You sort out the Technology! Summation: Either get a Gigabyte Titan Ridge card now or wait for USB4 later.
Hi @Harry Saini,
Are You a Musician? If so, which Thunderbolt version (1, 2 or 3) are You using on your Audio Interface, right now? Why ask? For Thunderbolt 3, there are 2 Controller Chipsets. Titan Ridge & Alpine Ridge. Titan Ridge currently, only operates in Native (Thunderbolt 3) mode whereas Alpine Ridge, currently can work in Legacy Mode (Thunderbolt 1, 2 & 3). Even though, Titan Ridge is suppose to be backwards compatible, according to Intel. We need a Firmware Update for that to happen, as advertised by Intel. However, Gigabyte claims Intel will not allow Legacy Mode on Titan Ridge, which is very confusing to us Users while Vendors point fingers at each other. Wanted You to know, to be aware of Your Options and why. And... Thanks for Subscribing! We'll keep You Posted. Stay tuned!
How's the PEX coming?
I’m trying to use Titan Ridge on Designare EX x399 with 2950x CPU new build, no luck.
All cables connected to their headers incl. THB_C, TR Installed in the last slot. Using most recent x399 BIOS (F12) avail from site.
Tried it first with the CD drivers. Thunderbolt controller shows up consistently in System Devices, but no systray app. The app is installed and can run it. It shows everything that should be there, incl. connected devices, but got pci upstream switch port error when a device is plugged in, even with latest chipset drivers from AMD.
I wish I could tell you more about Titan Ridge driver 1.41.648.4, but there’s zero documentation on it I could find. Other than the fact that the DCH drivers are horrible? I found a way to uninstall and use some suggested old ones from Intel, and got systray looking normal. But card not actually working. Of course no settings have ever appeared in BIOS.
Has anyone actually got it to work at all on Designare EX X399?
Hi Kevinsingz,
PEX is done. Most all Tile work is done. Looks amazing! Dust everywhere and on everything not covered. Just need to finish everything else! Like a Boat - Putty and Paint will make it what it ain't! What a chain of events! Seems everything we touch has to have something done to it! Lots of decisions to make. Thanks for Asking!
Going over Threadripper Resources... PCIEX8_2 - No Go? Have You tried PCIEX8_1? Agreed. Documentation is non existent.
The only thing You'll see in Bios will be Devices connected to Thunderbolt. And said Devices must be connected at Boot. No Plug and Play. Nothing, in Bios, about Thunderbolt its self. Not like on x299 with Thunderbolt settings in Bios.
As long as You're getting, pci upstream switch port error, nothing of Thunderbolt will work. Sounds like everything else is correct.
Will take a look at Threadripper, Designare EX X399 & Thunderbolt this weekend. Could not do so even 2 weeks ago. It's like living in a Rubik's Cube! To get to anything requires moving 6 other things.
BTW: THB_C Header is useless without a Bios Update. Doubt that will happen anytime soon, if at all. Connecting it though seems to have the desire affect. Appears to keep the card alive for Device Enumeration. Otherwise, Jumpers!
@@BuildOrBuy I know what you mean about Rubiks cube, I've lived there. Apt description. I tried the bottom 2 couple slots. Now I should go back and make sure which is which. But yeah it's sad.
Hi@@Kevinsingz,
Yes! Been there, done that! Or... Indoor Camping! Have not had a chance to check anything. Painting Base molding around Toilet area to get Toilet reset. Takes 3 coats of paint to make it look perfect! Right now, no Toilet in Master Bath! The things we take for granted... Priorities! We will look just as soon as we can.
@@BuildOrBuy At least three!
Hi@@Kevinsingz,
True! We are so close to being finished with our remodeling yet so far away. Still have (2) 6 Panel Solid wood Closet Doors to build Jambs, rout hinges and Hang, then Trim.
Installing Aromatic Cedar planking on walls in both M.B. Closets. Very poor quality material. 50% yield. Tedious. Had to order more Aromatic Cedar. Should be setting Master Bath Toilet by Thursday. Had no idea when we started we'd be doing this much work. No way, but here we are. And long overdue.
Anyway... All the while, getting ready for our next round of Videos! Lots of Update to do too! Like getting this Thunderbolt working with Audio 1-2-3.
hi im a windows user im planing to buy gigabyte x570 and ryzen 5 3600 do you think with this card i can uso apollo interface for music production???
Hi Ariel Dela Cruz Severino,
Yes! Universal Audio Apollo Thunderbolt III interfaces - www.uaudio.com/audio-interfaces.html
However, if You want to add something like an ASUS Quad M.2 NVMe AIC, aim higher like a Threadripper II or III. You'll need more PCIe Resources that are not share but can be reallocated for Bifurcation.
What's Your DAW - Using Mixcraft, Steinberg, FL Studio, PreSonus StudioOne, etc?
Hi same. Cheaper B550 chipset mobo and Ryzen 3 3300X... what do you think ? Is this not powerful enough of a CPU for DAW stuff ?
Hi@@defaultHandle1110, Good question. There are two directions from which we could address that question. From Hardware, as You have asked, or the music. And audio is really all about the music. With that said, let's approach this from Your DAW of choice. So... what DAW are You planning on using? That perspective might be more enlightening. We need to match expectation with performance. Thoughts? Then the next question will be the audio interface You'll be using. Since You're watching this video, easy guess. However, keep an open mind to explore possible solutions. Just remember it's all about the music.
I have an X399 Xtreme and a Titan Ridge AIC Rev 1.0. Updated Chipset drivers to latest on AMD for X399, Jumped 3 to 5 and installed on MB. Installed latest TB software from Gigabyte(used the designare page as it hase a more recent version for Windows v2004 compatability. I can attached my GB external gpu at boot and have it recognized by the software, but it does not appear to function otherwise. no hotplu, semi-hot plug, etc. Im on latest f5 bios as well. But I still get warning on PCI Express Upstream Switch Port no matter what I do. Any ideas? thx.
Hi Bryan, Everything sounds correct. Without external GPU, what do You see in Device Manager? We need to try and isolate the problem. Correct, No Hot Swap but the PCI express error should be resolved with eveything else You've done. And this error has to be resolved to function. Plus... Did You try both Ports? BTW: What about GPU Drivers? We never attempted an external GPU, however, this should work accordingly.
@@BuildOrBuy well this went bad to worse, the ONLY thing I was possibly outstanding was TB Controller FW update, came w/ v43, GB has v50. I tried once the controller was detected but it failed almost immediately, A few reboots later it ran to 100% then after tool reports 100% next log line said flash failed, now TB Controller no longer shoes in Devince Manager (many reboots) and does not find GB eGPY on cold boot like before FW update attempt. Not sure what to do now ;'(
Hi@@bryanhunwardsen , That's a bummer! Can You downgrade the Firmware? We have not read docs yet on that Firmware Update to know the particulars. If performs are before, that's 2 parts, Driver and Firmware.
@@BuildOrBuy unfortunately I don't think so, the update util requires the controller to be seen/available and then about if not found. Well I cannot get the the Titan ridge card to even show up as an unrecognized device in device manager. Not sure what to do now, seems failed fw update bricked it. I don't have any idea on the next step. But thanks for the thoughtful replies!
Hi@@bryanhunwardsen , How long have You had the card? Can You return it?
I have msi x399 sli plus and i just recently bought the gc alpine ridge can i install it on x399 msi sli plus Threadripper g1
Hi Ariel El Lunatiko,
Give it a shot and see what happens. However, can You get Your hands on a Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC? Without Bios support, the other prior AICs just don't have enough power to jump Pins 3 to 5 to keep the Thunderbolt 3 AIC of prior generations alive.
We'll show more Thunderbolt 3 technology soon! We're currently shooting videos, Behind the Scenes under Gill Boyd right now. We've been chasing Alligators. Keep Us Posted on Your progress!
BuildOrBuy thanks for your reply unfortunately I could not conmect the card to the motherboard .. the motherboard does not have the thonderbolt connecter for he cars to work i guess ima have to try something else in the future
Hi@@arielellunatiko2761,
Correct. No Thunderbolt Header which means no Bios support either. Like We said, On the Titan Ridge AIC, You'll have to Jump Pins 3 to 5 to keep the AIC alive. Only works on Titan Ridge. Not on any others like Alpine Ridge like You currently have. Not powerful enough.
BTW: The only X399 Motherboard, we're aware of with Thunderbolt 3 Header is Gigabyte. But alas, still no Bios support. There was a possibility of an X399 ASRock Motherboard with Thunderbolt 3 support. We have not confirmed that. So get a Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC and Jump the Pins. That should work on any X399 Motherboard.
For future reference, there's a TRX40 Motherboard, from Gigabyte, Threadripper III that has Thunderbolt 3 support and includes the Gigabyte Thunderbolt 3 Titan Ridge AIC. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the reply sorry for the late reply and yea when i upgrade my thread i will purchase the mobo and cpu with thunderbolt
Hi@@arielellunatiko2761, When You Upgrade, consider the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare Motherboard which includes the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC. That requires a Threadripper III CPU. Success and Best Wishes!
Hi, I tried this Titan Ridge for my Threadripper 2950x. And it worked fine until I installed the latest Firmware-Update from the Gigabyte Website (43.0). Do somebody know how to get back to an older Firmware?
Current as of 12/12/2019
Thunderbolt Driver (Win10 version 1909 supported) version: 1.41.648.4; Dated: 12/04/2019
Thunderbolt Firmware version: B19.1017.1; Dated: 10/17/2019
File: mb_driver_626_thunderboltdch_1.41.648.4_n.zip
(43.0)... Are You talking about the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt Firmware or the Motherboard Bios Firmware? Do You want: nb-driver-64bit-thunderbolt-17.3.73.350.zip for Titan Ridge Thunderbolt? That, we have! Unless... Do You have the CD that came with the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt AIC?
@@BuildOrBuy I am talking about the Firmwareupdate for the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt AIC. When you run(better don't do this) the gigabyte FW Update tool www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-10/support#support-dl-utility it installs the NVM Firmware 43.0 . The image file for the Firmware 43 is called like this GIGABYTE_GC_TITAN_RIDGE_TR_HR_4C_C1_rev43_W_TI_1_38_4_SEC2_sign.bin
on the CD that came with the Titan Ridge Card are only the driver
Hi@@KlausDussely,
We need to figure out which files You need. Have not tried going backwards with a Thunderbolt AIC. Don't know if this will work. But, worth a try! Should work. Supposedly, updating is done to make it work better, not to break it! Going backwards or downgrading a Motherboard Bios is easy compared to this.
Seems even the Vendors are having issues with a Firmware Flash. TPS65983 - Creating Flash Image for Thunderbolt 3 ...
e2e.ti.com/support/interface/f/138/p/744271/2751160
Intel does a great job of documenting the Firmware Flash process with their NUCs. Just a thought... Did You power down then repower the System before trying anything with Thunderbolt? And Your NVM version before was what? To verify, and Your current updated NVM is 43?
@@BuildOrBuy oh yes, when someone could create an older Flash, that would be great. I will read the link later. And yes I tried different things. Turning off and on. Different slots. Different cables. Different Devices connected. For example Using the AIC for a Thunderbolt-Network between two PC's works fine without rebooting. When I connect Devices like a RAID or an EGPU it shows up in Thunderbolt Software but not in the device-manager. With the old Firmware (I think it was NVM Version 23) I rebooted and then they worked fine. I think its because my mainboard(x399 Taichi) does not have any THB-C Header. So Hot-Plug does not work. Something I noticed is that the RAID shuts down(blue led gets red) when I reboot the computer. That was not the case with the older Firmware. Maybe it sends a shutdown command to prevent people from using this card in not supported systems or just for error prevention. But because of that my thunderbolt-hardware will never be usable. :/
card is hard to find...why is TB3 such a big issue on PC? (Coming from Mac, where everything is TB3 nowadays). There are barely any mainboards that have built-in TB3 and if they do it's usually only one port (I'm used to having 4!). Only the very high-end boards may have two TB3 ports built-in. Some more boards have TB3-headers, but the cards you need (like this one) are hard to find and then also only have two ports!
Same with USB-C..mainboards only have one or two on board and something ridicilous like 8x USB-A! Who needs that nowadays?!
Hi Manuel,
You bring up a very good point. Knowing what we do, and wondering why as well... We agree, for the most part!
Intel says one thing, everyone else says something different. And where is USB4? No where to be found - MIA!
We still need USB 2. Only as USB 2 Motherboard Headers for internal Devices - 4 would be perfect. And Internal USB 2 Hubs are lacking in quality.
USB 2 is required for CPU Coolers, this TB 3 card and any other internal USB Devices like Multi I/O Devices.
Thanks for sharing Your thoughts! Glad You've joined Us on the PC! BTW: AMD or Intel?
I'm looking at a Ryzen 3 3300X + B550 (Gigabyte). Will I need Titan Ridge for this board to get TB3B? Any tips ? hw ain't out yet...
Hi teeno7, Just now seeing Your message. Which Motherboard did You get? Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 is the way to go, going forward.
Includes Thunderbolt 3
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10
Includes Titan Ridge (Thunderbolt 3)
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-rev-10
BuildOrBuy nothing yet. Thinking x570 aorus.
Hi@@defaultHandle1110,
Thunderbolt 3 Header? Yes, use Titan Ridge AIC. www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10
Keep Us posted on Your Progress and please share Your thoughts!
BuildOrBuy thank you so much. You are a blessing!
Hi@@defaultHandle1110,
We're here to help! Don't know why sometimes TH-cam shows Us responses and sometimes not. Saw Your message while responding to another Subscriber! Have You tried using PCPartPicker.com System Builder? Not bullet proof but very helpful.
Also, depending upon what You want to accomplish, have You considered a Threadripper II or III? Why? Resources. What if You want to add an NVMe card that can handle 4 NVMe Drives? That type of card is made for HEDTs such as x399 (Threadripper II) & TRX40 (Threadripper III) Motherboards. Keep Us posted on Your Progress! Thank You for Your comments!
Hi
May I know if it works on MSI X399 SLI Plus Motherboard?
Thanks!!!
Hi lok hang Keung
,
Excellent Question! It should work! The only way to know for certain is to try it! Since there is no Thunderbolt Header nor Bios Support, You'll need to Jump Pins 3 to 5 on the Titan Ridge card. On the Titan Ridge card, Thunderbolt Enumeration will only work in native mode and do not expect legacy mode meaning, no Thunderbolt 1 or 2. Only Thunderbolt 3. Legacy mode is suppose to mean No Security mode however, what You'll get is no Thunderbolt 1 or 2. Both Intel & Gigabyte claim each is to blame or are responsible. While they both point fingers, this is where we are left to figure Thunderbolt out for ourselves. And remember: USB4 is coming so Thunderbolt 3 will be a part of that new spec. _Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!_
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for answering, don't really understand though, I have look up Google for usb4, seem it is a good way for me to use thunderbolt, not quite familiar with pc, used to be Mac guy for music production, just recently switched to pc with the great thread ripper.
Thanks!!!
Hi@@jacksonkeung23,
You've made the right move to Threadripper! What's You Audio Interface? USB4 is a new Spec. USB4 should be available in 12 to 18 months.
@@BuildOrBuy I am using RME USB 3 right now, would like to upgrade a Apollo x6 thunderbolt 3, which almost has no latancy. Good for recording, sinice I have upgraded my pc recently, not gonna change anything. May try the card you suggested or wait for USB 4. Thanks for the video, it's awesome
Hi@@jacksonkeung23,
Since USB 3 works for You now, suggest waiting for USB4, before Upgrading and save Yourself some grief from trying to get Thunderbolt working. Thanks! Appreciate your Comments!
Could i get this working with an amd 2700x?
Hi rodgadala,
AMD Ryzen 2700X... X470 Chipset Motherboard or older? Doubtful. No guarantees! Short answer, wait for USB4 or wait for AMD X570 Chipset Motherboard. Longer answer however, if You want to try, here's what You'll need to know -
Current Requirements...
1.) PCIe 3.0 interface (PCIe x4) - 4 PCIe 3.0 Lanes
2.) Thunderbolt 3 - 5Pin GPIO Header on Motherboard - For SMBus Communication. In lieu of this, on Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 card, Jump Pins 3 to 5. Keeps card alive. This card has enough power to sustain being kept alive.
3.) USB 2.0 Motherboard Header - For Plug & Play enumeration.
4.) 2 x 6-pin PCIe power connectors - Only needed if Devices connected require power.
5.) Display port support from either APU (Video from CPU) or GPU if You want video through Thunderbolt.
Notice it's all about the Motherboard Chipset. That's Your platform foundation when Building or Buying a PC or Upgrading.
Here's the kicker - The Ryzen / X470 Chipset only supports 1 PCIe 3.0 Slot - For Video card. In essence, not enough Chipset / CPU / Motherboard Resources! BTW: We now expect USB4 to be PCIe 4.0. Time will tell. Another good reason to either now, go Threadripper or wait until later and see what we get to work with, then. Thunderbolt 3 should be easier to work with than it is turning out to be, right now. USB4 & PCIe 4.0 should change all of that. Until then, it's a work in progress. Threadripper III will become available 11-25-2019! Threadripper III / TRX40 Chipset uses PCIe 4.0!
www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-threadripper
AMD X570 Chipset Motherboard - Yes! Notice PCIe 4.0! Curious. PCIe 4.0 now! And PCIe 5.0 is soon to follow! Hard to keep up!
www.amd.com/en/chipsets/x570
To reiterate - You need a different Motherboard Chipset. Food for thought - Hope this helps! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!
@@BuildOrBuy its x470
Hi@@rodgadala,
You have 1 PCIe 3.0 Slot. You'd have to change Your Video card to a different Slot to get this working. You need 1 PCIe 3.0 interface (PCIe x4) - 4 PCIe 3.0 Lanes for Thunderbolt III. Or else get a new Motherboard with x570 Chipset. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy You'll need a Asrock x570, Asus b550 strix boards.
Hi@@NovaDoll , Good point. However, at that time, this was about Threadripper II. Next up, Threadripper III...
asus thunderboltex3 not working at all.
Hi Jeremy,
Let see if we can help... What's Your Motherboard?
Trying to see if this works for x470 tiachi
Hi DJ ALLIOUS,
Good question! You'll need a PCIe 3.0 x4 Lane Slot. Jump Pins 3 to 5 on the card, for the Thunderbolt III Header. No guarantees! We have not tried it on that platform yet. Getting ready to Build Threadripper III. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank u so there is no official guarantee.
Hi@@Allious131,
None. It's a mess. Trial and error. That's why we've provided a path to Your Success. Only this card will work, if it works. You should have a 4 Lane Slot to use in Your System. Let Us know how You make out. Wish we could do more. Thanks for Asking!
Update: And now Intel has announced Thunderbolt 4. Let's hope Intel does more to support Thunderbolt 4 than they did to hype Thunderbolt 3 then dump Users to USB 4. Leaves a bad, bitter taste of anguish. So we regroup and move on. Such is life with Bleeding Edge Technology.
Hello Everyone! With all the consternation over Thunderbolt 3, looks the problem will become self resolving from the New USB 4 Spec to be confirmed in 2019. Expect products to be showcased at CES in 2020. Expect new Chipsets, new Motherboards and new Add In I/O Cards to follow suite for the rest of Us. And technology marches on!
- TomsHardware - USB 4 Debuts With Twice the Throughput and Thunderbolt 3 Support - Posted 3-4-2019
www.tomshardware.com/news/usb4-thunderbolt-3-40gbps-type-c,38736.html
- PCMag News - Thunderbolt 3 Merges With USB to Become USB4 - Posted March 4, 2019
www.pcmag.com/news/366931/thunderbolt-3-merges-with-usb-to-become-usb4
- RedShark News - Surprise unveiling of USB 4.0, and it rivals Thunderbolt 3 speeds - Posted 3-5-2019
www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/6193-surprise-unveiling-of-usb-4-0-and-it-rivals-thunderbolt-3-speeds
would it work on an ASUS ROG STRIX X399-E ? dont know if it has a tb header on the motherboard
Hi Reedith Graham,
In the PDF Manuals... None of the 4 current ASUS X399 Motherboards have the single row, 5-pin J1 header - THB_C header. Curious. There's a 5 Pin Fan header (EXT_FAN) but not the same. Therefor, no THB_C header, no Thunderbolt support. Asus has the best Motherboards and documentation. Searched all 4 Motherboard PDFs for terms - Thunderbolt, THB_C and visual inspection of drawing. Also searched several high res images for image clarity. Nothing. To reiterate, The only 5 pin connector is labeled to be for an external Fan. It's definitely NOT for Thunderbolt!
Interesting to Note, of the 4 Gigabyte X399 motherboards, only 2 have Thunderbolt support.
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/AMD-SocketTR4
1.) Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme - THB_C Header present!
2.) Gigabyte X399 Designare Ex - THB_C Header present!
The other 2 Gigabyte X399 motherboards do not have Thunderbolt 3 support. Also very Curious.
Thanks for Asking, Watching and Subscribing! The Threadripper Saga Continues!
Hi Reedith,
More research... Asus uses the term, TB_Header on their Motherboards. See PDF link: Thunderbolt header (5-Pin TB_HEADER)
dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/Z97-DELUXE/E9061_Z97-DELUXE_UG_WEB.pdf - Indicates Pin out.
See: Page 18, Item 15 - Thunderbolt header (5-Pin TB_HEADER) - Header on bottom right corner of Motherboard.
www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X299-A/
dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA2066/PRIME_X299-A/E12782_PRIME_X299-A_UM_WEB.pdf
To possibly make it work.... egpu.io/forums/thunderbolt-enclosures/list-of-intel-titan-ridge-thunderbolt-3-devices/paged/3/ - "...jumping pin 3 to VCC pin 5; safe to experiment any jump, any pair of pins except the first and last (GND and VCC), which will create a short circuit." Be careful if You try this! You could ruin Your Motherboard! Hope this helps!
Hi just wondering why you didn’t use a motherboard with thunderbolt 3 already built into it like the GIGABYTE Z390 DESIGNARE Gigabyte (Intel LGA1151/Z390/ATX/2xM.2/Thunderbolt 3/Onboard AC Wifi/12+1 Phases Digital Vrm/Motherboard).?
@@bennyknotts9902 because this is x399
@@nicholasjohnson3542 interesting what exactly does the thunderbolt header on the motherboard do ? Do you have any links to any threads where people are talking in more detail on why the thunderbolt header is not necessary for the Titan ridge ?
As I think it's a great idea to get TB3 working on TR4.. I think for now it's a path that's too expensive (for TR4) and too much hassle. I mean like, you can get a native thunderbolt x299 board and something like a 9800X for less. I get it, more lanes and more cores. But TR4 isn't that of a budget grade CPU either. I wonder why people go TR4 and want TB3 when there is actually a platform for the same price or less that supports it natively.
Hi M M,
Fair Question. Hassle, yes! Doable, also yes. Better to wait? Most definitely. Our Answer - Resource allocation. Thunderbolt 3 is just 1 option for Threadripper. The M.2 Quad type of card is another. Besides, USB4 is coming and that will make Thunderbolt, by its self, obsolete since USB4 will incorporate Thunderbolt. As for the CPU - The Threadripper is Bang for the Buck, all things considered! But if Intel is Your thing, we understand and agree to disagree. Now if only we had workstation class Motherboards for Threadripper... _Thanks for Watching! _
Because AMD gives you way, way more performance for the price. Most people looking at an X399 system aren't amateurs and it really doesn't take that much to install this card
@@post-leftluddite Really? X399 is expensive as hell. And a aic is expensive also (150 dollar for thunderbolt 3 Titan Ridge AIC card extra over a HEDT board that costs over 500 dollar. That's not "more performance for the price". Price really doesn't justify to go for AMD on the X399 platform. Would be if you had the same connections as X299 offers. Intel is opening up licencing on Thunderbolt but yet still the only motherboard that supports is natively is a 1000 dollar board. How is that justified when I could get a Gigabyte Designare 200 dollar Z390 board with TB3 Titan Ridge for the 9900K?
Hi@@post-leftluddite,
_Amen to that... You are so right! Threadripper is Bang for the Buck in Resource Allocation! Thunderbolt 3 is just one possibility._
Hi@@CheesyMcBeard,
_Resource Allocation! Thunderbolt 3 is just one possibility._
does it not work on linux?
Hi Beat,
Although Gigabyte does not provide Linux Drivers, it should work. _What's Your Motherboard chipset?_
I have a Gigabyte AORUS GA-Z270X-Gaming K5
Hi@@beat461,
Gigabyte AORUS GA-Z270X-Gaming K5 - PDF Manual - No guarantees! And No Bios Support. However... 1st try Motherboard PCIeX4 Slot and watch Your Resource allocation. If that Slot does not work, then try PCIeX8 Slot. On the Titan Ridge Controller card, Jump Pins 3 to 5. Keeps card alive for Device Enumeration. Make certain Your Chipset & Video Drivers are current before Controller card installation. Install the Bolt package. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress.
constructive criticism: check your white balance, wear a more neutral color shirt, and wipe off excess chapstick. information wise. great job! thanks!
Hi Darren Willem
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Thanks! You're right. I agree with everything You've said. Except the Shirts. That's my wardrobe. They only get louder! Good help is so hard to find!
Too complex, not worth it, I will go with an UBS 3.1 drive.
Hi Andrzej,
Agreed. Good idea. For now... Simplest Solution, Jump pins 3 to 5 on Thunderbolt 3 Header of AIC. Otherwise, wait until USB4. We Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
Too much unnecessary or obvious info!
Hi bass yamaha,
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