MapleStory Director Has a Disastrous Livestream
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.พ. 2023
- It's Drama time! There was enough rage to cause the director Wonky MapleStory stare off in silence, private a livestream where they talked about the current situation and later posting an apology on the maplestory korea website.
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It's hard for Maple to not be on a decline when it's own dedicated player base can't even recommend it to their friends because it's too predatory and punishing to new players
FR, I can't put my friends in harm's way by recommending this pos game
I literally said this to my friend
It's really weird tbh too cause according to metrics. The game has actually had a resurgence in players over the past year. Which makes the dev stream even more bizzare
The game is in dire need of a stat and level squish. Removal of systems. It's just too much. So many levels, stats, systems, loops...It's insane and overwhelming.
@@Kidkosmos True and real. Imagine telling a new player they need to level to 140 40 times just for 1 basic system to function properly kek. Let alone actually getting into end game content
I'm honestly extremely worried and considering whether I wanna continue playing and invest time into a game, which own director thinks is dead, looks to monetize everything and doesn't even understand core gameplay mechanics belonging to his game. This was just awful to hear to be honest.
As an elden ring and from software fan this is the exact opposite experience they had…….. I can’t believe they refuse to listen to the people who pay their bills
@Plague Doctor That's not the best example since Fromsoft got where they are by completely ignoring feedback for decades.
But yeah, MMOs, especially old ones, really don't have that luxury.
Play for free, enjoy at your own pace.
I just came back to reboot and it sucked to see ignition pass and clover guild being introduced. Nobody batting a eye lol. Pay for progression is just gonna creep up on reboot
@@RequiemGamingLikeR time is probably what he meant
I think it's important to note that KMS reboot was only "worth it" after the final damage changes. GMS reboot has things like familiars, gollux superior set, sweetwater equips, etc. As much as we hate hellux and commerci, they're one of the better additions in maplestory simply by virtue of having a set time frame you can buy the equips after rather than waiting for months to years for a pitched boss drop.
We also have alternatives like Masteria (Masteria's Legacy set) and previously the Alien Visitor's (Alien Fragment set) to ride it out between Boss Accessories, Dawn Boss, and Pitched.
There's plenty of options in GMS. One of which should come back with the Alien Vistors, to give players options and paths.
Just to add this in, a lot of people say "insert name here" set isn't as good as Superior Gollux... News flash! It doesn't have to be as-good-as. It has to be feasible and useful to someone that can get it and make use of it.
If I want to spend a year or two getting Masteria's Legacy complete, that's my problem, and if I want to waste time Star Forcing it to 12* and cubing it to Legendary, again, my problem
@@ReaperX7 people are being so disingenuous when they say "kms discovers reboot" because it's not even the full story first of all and GMS has so many things which makes reboot much much better than it is in KMS especially before the final damage changes
@@Roflmao6173 true. KMS was always nornal server centered due to the fact they knew people were willing to fork over their cold hard cash.
The problem is, even the biggest whales eventually stop spending when they sense something is off.
Won Ki really showed that Nexon KR only cares about money, not the user experience, and they had their bluff called on that stance. Now they're going to be forced to re-align and re-base towards the F2P model. However, they'll still lure whales in.
Look at Piggy Banks. The Clover Shop Piggy Bank was extremely whale centered and people bought it, even on Reboot.
"MMORPGs are on the decline"
Meanwhile, they're still trying to push NFT/Blockchain nonsense, which **is** dying (and was pretty much a scam from the get go).
I'll be honest, after seeing the new boss/mini area past seren and kalos, I'm getting annoyed the only permanent content they keep making for years now is ultra-endgame content for the 0.00001% of players that will be the only ones to see it
I wish they made the more early game content more party oriented. For a "social" game, the most optimal way to train to 200 or even 250 is to do it solo. They need to encourage party play at lower levels and mid game, so that people get together more, capture the magic of players just playing to socialize, a good example of of this would be world 301 in OSRS, its just a bunch of people, having fun, talking.
We are missing early game content like kerning PQ, Monster Carnival, Ludi PQ, etc. being the better training option, because doing the theme dungeons 30+ times for each new legion character gets boring real fast.
Lets be honest the only "new" fans this game can retain are oldies like us who need to scratch a nostalgic itch for a while. Other than that it's been run into the ground for years at this point, especially compared to other MMORPGs (even taking into account the dying genre)
I'm not really convinced that the genre is dying so much as it is changing. The games that don't adapt to the new landscape of gaming and general online use are gonna hit some struggles.
Nah it's true it's just old players that keep revisiting ..
Yeah I just come back every year or two and play for a month then leave again. Been doing that since big bang
@@Flynnly Same
@@Ellierienna yep. look at old school runescape for example. game's been around for longer than maplestory, still retains the nostalgia factor, but has great updates polled through the community and only simple membership monetization. current playercount online as i type this comment is 114,000.
I wished they would at least let us have the option to hop servers again. Despite the fact I have been playing Scania for years starting just right when the Pirate class was released, my dedication to remain on Scania is slowly dwindling due to feeling so empty at times. My only reason for staying so long is because that’s where a lot of my characters and most funded main in terms of time and money/mesos spent are located. Now days when I log in it’s just to mostly lurk about and see if anything interesting is going on, it’s kinda hard to get motivated to do anything on a server that doesn’t have many people.
I hope this hits nexon so hard that they realise they are not some kind of deities collecting tribute from their devoute followers
This game has been going strong for 15+ years, its only a matter of time all things come to an end. The only thing imo they could do is start another maplestory but have it be like it was back in the old days, right now it is super hard to get into it if ur a new player so i do see the downfall of this game eventually.
MS deserves a better director (And millions of better coders)
They seriously need to re write the whole game
No company in the world has more than a few dozen thousand software engineers employed-but your point still stands
Maplestory needs veterinarians at this point. It's gone well past spaghetti code and is in the same territory as those videos were dogs are crapping out wads of worms.
As a software engineer, I think they’re just ignoring bugs that aren’t hard to solve. It’s funny how most game crashes are regular, they happen in the same pattern. Like when you try to start the game before you can create a new character, or you try to skip nexon animation. They just don’t have the goal of fixing their current code.
I know lots of crashes happen haphazardly and for those they could just use a good old exception/error logger where they send those bugs automatically to a server/db to analyze later.
I don’t feel like they need new programmers they just need to assign tasks to fix their bugs, most of which seem regular.
The mmorpg genre will stop dieing when management stops killing it.
[Improvement Ideas] - Thanks for giving the oppurtinity to share some with you @Coppersan.
1.1 Bossing: Increase the value of a Mesos Crystal by 10% for each member joining a boss fight.
1.2 Bossing: Make pit boss loot instanced. Berserker/Eye Patch/Dreamy Belt and the rest.
2.1 Equipment: Make a preset for damage gear, drop gear and Mesos gear. Slot [1] - [2] - [3].
3.1 Grinding: Experiment with bigger maps that enables grinding together. Inactivity will get you kicked from the map and into a waiting room with a cool-down upon re-entering.
4.1 Arcane River PQ’s: I would love some PQs to make a return. Arcane River PQ’s could be fun.
5.1 Cross-play: Maplestory Mobile, not looking at Maplestory M, which allows you to play Maple.
6.1 Cash Shop: FIX THER FRICKING CRASH SHOP
7.1 Content: Honestly, remove old content. Less is more. Also less scary for starting players.
7.2 Content: Re-dress some content and make it as a Theme Dungeon. Theme Dungeon 150 to 175 could be Fox Valley - Inspector Raven - Magnus Preq. Theme Dungeon 175 to 200 could be Twilight Henesys - Twilight Perion - Stone Collusses
8.0 Random: A random idea I had was a JRPG Turn-Based PQ. Based on your party members you’d be equipped with a sub-set of skills or magic. For example:
A Hero increases the party it’s physical attack. Applies a bleed and increases Physical damage taken.
A Buccaneer increases the party it’s attack speed and is able to reset any skills which are on cooldown.
An Ice/Lightning can slow down the opponent and has multi-targeted attacks.
A Wind Archer can place a dummy which takes damage once attacked and can conjure AoE Tornado’s.
A Beast Tamer can shift to the beast of choice. Cat for Support. Bird for Speed. Tiger AoE. Bear Boss.
Gear matters but not the actual stats. As in RPG how an Iron equipment gives you +10 defense/ attack in where Mithril give you +100 defense/attack. The similar can be done with Eclectic and Arcane. The better you are decked out, the more as a member you can contribute.
Yikes.
Never seen a gaming company just be so incompetent. It's honestly impressive.
are u sure about that?
You ever heard of blizzard and Bethesda? 😂😂😂
I think it's nice to know some background of what happened in KMS community recently to understand what's happening rn: There's been prevalent atmosphere where non-reboot users make fun of or blame at reboot users for several years, usually something like 'Why are they enjoying the same content while not paying as much as we do?' or 'Those losers are playing the easy mode'. The recent surge in buff proposal posts for non-reboot servers happened about 2 weeks ago, when a famous streamer who originally plays non-reboot server cleared the 64th stage in dojo after playing in reboot server after about an year. I heard he played in reboot around at least 6 hours every day, and the growth in character's spec seems quite reasonable to me, but apparently non-reboot users don't seem to understand this. They don't seem to understand the mechanics of reboot server. We have to do everything by ourselves and the spec cap is lower than non-reboot server, but in return we get buffs in item drop rate. Also there's final damage buff to compensate the scroll enchant and bonus potential which are NOT in reboot. The buffs are there for REASON. Ignoring this, many non-reboot users in KMS community has been argued to nerf reboot server and buff their servers in every aspects, and this made reboot users in the community quite upset. I think this contributed a lot to why the chat got so messy in the livestream, where on one side non-reboot users yelling buff for non-reboot server / nerf for reboot servers and on the other side reboot users arguing it's not necessary. Quite a few of non-reboot users just blame on Wonky about recent updates with no specific reasons, and this is probably why Wonky acted emotional. I'm not saying Wonky did well, but also it was not the right manner for the non-reboot users who argued for buff in the livestream.
Thanks for explaining!
I disagree that you have it harder and thus, why you have buffed drop rates and damage . This is only one side of the same coin. You forgot to mention that you don't pay a pennie for your cubes which in reg servers for the amount of cubes that we need to use and roll for stats (legendary cubes barely drop and bonus cubes are unobtainable unless you spend $) is considerably tougher to do in reg servers. This is the reason why players in reg server blow $, we can't spam mesos like in reboot. I believe most of the frustration came from there, and also not being able to trade items for WHICH we paid because they become untradable on the reg server is exponentially ridiculous now more than ever because of reboot server.
@@Tabarnacification Then don't play on a non-reboot server? I don't understand why someone would knowingly shell out money on a server they know is taking advantage of them and then get mad when the server is doing just that. I jumped ship to Reboot a long time ago (when I played) and never looked back. Anyone who doesn't is a fool and shooting themself in the foot by allowing the creators to bully them. I can't think of a logical reason not to play Reboot except being obsessed with buying and selling gear instead of earning it, I guess. There's not enough community in the game anymore for me to be stuck on a non-reboot server because of friends and guild mates.
@Sark Aztik Well, first of people don't feel like starting from 0 when they spent money and time for their gains. And the next obvious reason is that if everyone from the reg servers did that then GMS would just simply shut down unless they started monetizing reboot. Why do you think Nexon is keeping the servers up after creating reboot? Because the regs are still spending $ to improve their items. You can bet that reboot players are making an abysmal amount of their annual revenue.
Nexon stays a business and a company. If they can't make money, they will shut the thing down. You are deluding yourself if you think you can F2P a game all the way without having some of the players spending $ in some shape or form in 2023.
I wish they can fix the cash shop crash issues!
One of Nexon's issues is that it keeps making short-term decisions with long-term consequences, such as perpetually releasing endgame content scaled to the uppermost eschelon or building both content and classes to revolve around synchronized burst DPS. Sure big number feel good, screens full of stuff for 30 minutes is impressive to overcome, and it's all easy for Nexon to mamage, but after a while things start to run together and the overall experience suffers. This would be fairly tolerable, except for the egregious cost of progression, which only amplifies how bad things are. Others have said it, but Nexon really needs passionate people at the helm, and furthermore, people who understand games.
This is disappointing, because I wish I could honestly suggest Maple to friends.
I agree with all this wholeheartedly. Keeping up with how insane the scaling of the content is is just impossible at this point.
Yeah some more early - mid game content would do so much good for early prog (both pre and post-200 tbh). That leap from fresh 200 to CRA ready is absolutely brutal right now for a newcomer without a guild doing carries, to say nothing of cra->abso->arcane which I don't even have experience with because even with a burned 250 I struggle getting through CRA lol.
Moreover, making some new content for lower levels would do wonders for incentivizing training legion and links up, something any prospective new player basically *has* to do to make any of those aforementioned prog leaps. (I personally feel like 200 being T3 for links makes way more sense given how many you need to optimize grinding and bossing but that's a whole separate thing.)
Bringing on worse cubes that cost way more mesos was a really hard one to take recently, and really shows their deafness toward player concerns around prog. A pot/tier that took me 1b could take me like 2-3 now and that is absolutely harrowing as it pertains to grinding out mesos, and puts newcomers way, WAY behind any pre-cube-change player who could have gotten funded much more easily by comparison.
Bossing being a good source of income is actually something I really like, but that only becomes a meaningful difference once you're already rich enough to fight really tough bosses and pour funds into mules that can do the same. And if you want to grind mesos effectively before then you'll want a vac pet - which is $100 and just to spit in your face, their water of life is more expensive and lasts a third as long as that for regular pets.
But the biggest problem of all is that I will absolutely continue to play this total nightmare of a game because beeg numbers give serotonin lmao
@@digitallorin9595 Yeah, I agree. In general the game needs to make it much easier to get cubes through gameplay, especially non boss sources, since you need to hit a certain power to kill cra and going beyond is harder and harder. For Lucid you already need a bunch of double unique or legendary lines and possibly gollux set for the extra ied and boss dmg. Going beyond double epic lines right now is a nightmare, that is the biggest wall together with star forcing beyond +10 I feel.
I started playing a little over a week ago and I'm having a ton of fun. I might not be having fun later, but I can see at least 2+ months of fun easily. The end game is something I have no experience with, but to just mess around and make multiple characters, do some quests, collect some low level gear, unlock your slots, maybe buy a couple of cosmetics (that somehow you can't use on your other chars unless they are in the same category ugh) it's a pretty good experience. I would want to be recommended it for sure. I do wish there were more updated guides on getting started though from the absolute basics. Most guides I see are from level 200 and above or super confusing.
@@gabbyk1391 that's because you won't be doing much except levelling up before 200. Yes there are bosses you can tackle before that, but those will usually be mentioned in levelling guides, at least those relevant for some early gear or decent experience.
Level 200 makes a big difference because you extra skills that can be very powerful and arcane symbols, which are among the easiest ways to get some of the extra power that makes some bosses actually doable.
Things also change depending on if you are playing regular servers or reboot. In regular servers it is easy enough to get some chaos root abyss gear for cheap, if not nothing, from other players, which makes it available from level 150, while in reboot, certain events aside, you need to beat the bosses yourself, or at least get carried. That requires level 180, the minimum to enter the bosses, and you need to have beaten each of the normal version bosses 5 or 10 times, I actually don't remember which, and that takes the corresponding amount of days. The normal difficulty is easy enough to beat already when the prequest becomes available at level 125, maybe a bit later if you don't really know what you are doing.
And that's really it to be honest. With your chaos root abyss set and the boss set accessories you'll basically be grinding levels to go through arcane river and unlock the various symbols, which will be upgraded through daily quests and provide a decent power boost. You'll also want to work on nodestones and get your gear to epic potential, eventually with 2 lines of your main stat, or att%, boss% and ignore defence% for weapon, secondary and emblem. These things over time will get you to be able to solo chaos root abyss and get more mesos via selling their boss crystals. At the same time events will provide limited access to better cubes to go beyond epic potentials and rings that make for good options before you manage to get the gollux set, which takes quite a lot of time. While grinding for gollux, you will eventually hit the point you can tackle damien and lotus, in a party first, solo later, for more mesos and the option to get absolab gear pieces, which you will sit on for quite a while.
This is all assuming you won't be dumping a massive amount of money in your progression, which will help in regular servers to get you cubes from the cash shop to get the legendary potentials faster and get mesos to buy arcane umbra gear from the auction house and for star forcing and all that.
If maple devs in every region just listened to our concerns and acted on it maple would be such a top tier game, things get better slightly just to get worse and worse.
Maple can never hold my attention for more than a few weeks at a time during a big event then after that im all burned out cuz i realized the odds in a lot of the mechanics in the game are stacked against me, talking about starforcing, familiars, and boss drops. This game doesnt respect its players or their time spent.
Poor wording and handling by wonky and the kma crew about players concerns, hes so out of touch he thinks mmos are dying when more and more people are getting back in games like final fantasy and destiny even lost ark new world and even oldie but goodie Guild wars is seeing consistent numbers
Im not a dev but i know a bad dev company when i see one.
Im hoping for bigger and better change soon cuz i genuinely love maple but too many complaints for me to justify it as of late
he is out of touch, just make the mmo a good game and people will follow, OSRS is a perfect example of how to revitalize your mmo.
@@halinaqi2194 FACTS and OSRS is super involved with their community last I check. The time of being transparent and working with your community of players is now. So many games do this so that the player and the devs work together to build a better game. Nexon is too money grubbing to wanna follow in more recent footsteps tho, they think we should just play the game and pay them money, when in actuality if you work side by side to address issues with your product with your consumer the product 9 times out of 10 becomes a better product.
I also see people getting mad in the Maplestory Discord in the cash shop update thingy because they only try to sell out like the worst faces possible, and I cant agree more
as a fellow Lucid enjoyer I still want more Lucid stuff in cash shop such as face, hair etc and have waited for a long time now and I cant see it happening again.
Or even gachapon no one uses I know I´d like to get the Lucid chairs aswell but the last time appearently they did it was back in february 2019.
The "KMS discovers reboot" drama has been so funny ngl
Reg server would be happy if they remove useless lines on potentials and increase scrolling rates and make bonus pot cubes cheaper.
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ROFL why did this crack me up ? XD
ye the cash shop crashing is so frustrating. every time you enter its like a 50/50 chance of crashing. and if ur in reboot and want a few buff freezers.. welll good luck
That's exactly why I wish I could buy a shit ton of buff freezers so I dont need to open the cash shop regularly, but OFC, the buff freezers expire after a few days. For what dumbass reason do buff freezers need to have an expiration date ? Just why ???... Just to make things more complicated than they should be. Nexon are specialists at complicating simple things for absolutely no reason at all.
crash shop lol
@@gernou92 yeah i dont get it, why are so many things time limited? is it to prey on player mentality "ooOoOo, your cubes and scrolls will expire soon, log back on.... you dont want to lose all those items without spending it!" Its especially annoying when they do this shit to f2p pets and shit, like why is hillas pet have a lifecycle?
I know there's tons of ways and ideas that can improve Maplestory a lot but if I'm to put spotlight on one thing in particular it's to make PQ's relevant again. Maplestory is a game that gives you every reason to play by yourself which is terrible! I've met some of the coolest and friendliest people YEARS ago, like Pre-BB update, doing PQ's. I'm still close friends with some of them to this very day over a decade later. PQ's back then were amazing exp and a great way to socialize and interact with the playerbase which to me is large part of what MMO's should focus on. Since the game doesn't really "start" until lv200+ and leveling slows way down, it's the perfect opportunity to incorporate new PQ's, one for each area on the Arcane River that gives fair exp and even has a unique PQ equip that can drop. I'm actually kind of surprised something like that hasn't been added a long time ago.
To anyone kind enough to read this comment, I have a question; What was or even still is your favorite PQ and what are some experiences you've had and remember from doing them?
idk bro i think we thought they were fun but they really aren't. For the previous event i was dreading doing the bouncy beach ball/puzzle game/spot the difference type pq's. I was only doing them for exp. Sure you can meet people from it, but I don't think people would just do pq's for that reason. For example APQ is still around and it is hard to find people for it, not only does it get extremely repetitive but it does not feel extremely rewarding either
@Mattybozo I'm pretty sure monster carnival and ariant pq (for the gems) were fun. There was also this PQ in perion where you were fighting strong bosses as a party. All they had to do was Rehaul the mechanics, make the rewards even better and interesting while also stop cheaters. Kenta pq was one of the most boring and time gated PQs, but for Crimson wood Keep and Orbis pq it was awesome gameplay and teamplay.
The best PQ was def monster carnival for me, and i agree. How do you get other people to play, when the game doesnt encourage you to play with them? Everything is so solo oriented. The old Mu Long Dojo was way more fun in my opinion, even if its a pain to balance, there are a lot more fun moments you can have as a friend group challenging the bosses as a party.
I remember being such a low level back then, our party would always wipe out on Papa Pixie. The PvP gamemodes can be remade, it doesnt have to be balanced, just fun. Like, come on Nexon, its not hard, but you just want money, the less amount of effort put in with the most money coming in, we can see how little you care about making the game better.
I find it funny when I hear that kms reboot isn't as popular when a long time ago, they felt the need to make a second reboot world. Still, though, this has been a real sad state of affairs for sure. I hope it works out at the end of the day.
It only isnt as popular in comparison to their Regular server. Their reboot server is most definitely more populated than our reg server
@@Roflmao6173 Interesting.
when the captain of your ship can't realize he's crashed the ship into a iceberg then its time to get a new captain
Ih god imagine being the director of a game and say "dont take it too seriously?" what a JOKE
Considering the fact that how much players spent in the game lol
@@Sosoismyname maybe for him we players are just a bunch of dumb idiots who pay for his salary 🤷
That explains why he doesn't care much about how people are complaining that they don't listen to their players.
@@KeaneCJK at this point I think they are just purely greedy, they want the company to increase revenue every year and to implement those request would risk of reducing it. Like I said pure greed to not take the risk. And when he mentioned he could have implement cash on arcane symbols or cores its like threatening player base and voicing out his true intention which is not a good intention lol.
@@Sosoismyname yea, he basically showed us his true self although we already knew it, and him saying "it could be much worse" is like giving u a mild poison that would kill u slowly and said I could have killed u instantly with a deadly poison, which sounds very bad and it's like being in a toxic relationship lol.
@@KeaneCJK Yeap that sums it up
As a FTP mapler with 7k legion on MSEA, its getting so hard to progress that the only "safe" way to progress is by arcane symbols... Wish we had a reboot server as well. (We literally only just got zipangu tales last week).
Yeap the only safe is arcane symbols but once we capped it we can only resort to cubing or staring but as f2p it's crazy to even think spending 10b that took us half a 3 to 4 months of saving blown to dust without tiering or reach 22 stars is an absolute tedious grind.
@@Sosoismyname and all the boomed equipments....
Exactly! I'm a FTP as well. I'm not exactly sure how to word this out properly. Maple lost a lot of its beauty (to me at least) when they introduced untradeable equipment, starforce, potential systems etc. I'm basically stuck to my lvl250 main. FTP knows how hard it is to get so far. I can't play other classes as I don't have enough time to devote to their daily symbols or free cubing, and hence, can't progress anyway with them. It becomes a same old boring routine eventually with no real payback for the time I've devoted, especially when your equipment booms...
@@kcskylin154 and you'll burn oud and quit, only returning when there's some new big updates and quit again after a few weeks or max few months. They cycle never ends...
@@KeaneCJK Yes! That's what I'm doing now! And if the event or game update isn't any fun, then I'm out for a long until the next update. My entire guild is doing this. The community is falling apart now. Basically it's a single player at this point.
I'd love to see a pity system for pitched boss drops
Like a usable item (1 drop per week guaranteed from hard bosses, maybe 2 with luck) and you could use it when you have 20-25 or something
Same with Dawn items but make it usable when 10-15 are collected
That way there's a better progression that's eventually guaranteed, much like Arcane Umbra
Honestly everyone in the game is way too focused on progression and strength. I miss when the only items you had to pay money for were equip nx items and not cubes or anything enhancement related. These days you get to power level to 200 and immediately are ushered into paying money for arcane gear and enhancing it. Every one does the same quests, gets the same gear, and has the same skills just with different animations. Eventually living out end game in arcane river. Where has the choose your own adventure gone? Where are the lore and stories that made me actually excited for new content. The events these days are copy and paste, no lore or story behind them ~ just an event coin shop with no real ties to the actual maple world. I really struggle to get glimpses of old times on maple and find original content because of the pay to win aspect that has players in a choke hold on regular server (which I play) there were times when you couldn’t teleport places through the guide, and through that journey there was content and quests that not everyone found or did. There was a sense of exploring instead of afking in the giant theme dungeon that is arcane river. Another thing is the solo aspect has gone too far. Where have the boss parties and party quests gone? And making friends along the way in the game the game is too easy, until it’s not and you realize you need cubes and other stuff that require money. I need original content back. I need side quests, I need the community i once knew back.
This has to be the least shocking news ive ever heard. Maplestorys director says it's a dead game and gives a tldr that he doesn't care? Color me shocked
But he didn’t say it’s a dead game
i played MapleSEA since 2009, and at most i hit 16kstats and barely solo CRAs, none of my EQs are unique and above (except for free unique emblem from burning), i tried invested tons on money into cubes to progress futher. But guess what, none of my EQs get to even unique. The moment I learn that cubing teir up rate in SEA server are the worst, i decided to migrate to GMS reboot.
Ive played maplestory off and on since 2005. Player voices have always fallen on deaf ears here in america. They really just dont seem to care about the audience outside korea much which sucks. Cause its not very inviting
i still think them making an old school maplestory server like how jagex made old school runescape is a real potential goldmine.
maybe when that one maplestory dev tool thing is released outside korea and sees a lot of classic servers gaining in popularity they might be interested?
It's the best thing they could do. The only issue is that most GMS players are against an old school server, we would really need both the old school players and the current players to unite
@@mondomason people are against an old school server?
@@goldhornds4394 same way as retail wow players were againts classic wow. they are scared their game die
@@Valo666 i see. that's kind of a bummer. i mean classic and modern ms are practically entirely different games
@@Valo666 yeah and what they don't seem to understand is that they can continue playing their version while all of us who quit can come back to the game we love
Thanks for the video, but you probably should've addressed his apology post too
It might seem silly to most, but MapleStory hits a couple of spots in a way no other MMO does for me, and I keep wishing so badly that a more consumer friendly dev picks up the concept:
1. The solo, account focused progression. I usually play MMOs to relax and chill out, and the chore of coordinating and dealing with people in raids aren't for me. MapleStory (especially Reboot) does solo progression in a pretty awesome way. And if I don't feel like grinding my main? Create another alt and level it up a bit to progress towards my next Legion rank.
2. The fact it's mainly a keyboard-only, easy to run game. The fact that I can boot MS up on my laptop and do my daily boss farm on the couch is great.
Hoping for red cards for fams still since getting good fams is just hard now. Took me 312 epic fams to get a large drop and still didnt get a boss fam either.
Nodes are okish as long as we can get extra with events and those are tradeable.
This is for reboot ofc.
This will most likely never happen as its a GMS exclusive mechanic. As someone who played MSEA and moved to GMS reboot about 8 weeks ago honestly I think just enjoy it while it lasts, and give me a damn large drop fam nexon.
@@raylaowei1495 ow yeah I never think it would happen. But that's what I would like and that's the question coppersan asked in the vid xD
I would rather pray that familiar as a whole will not be removed soon
on average it takes 698 red cards to tier up 1 familiar from unique to legend so about $837.60 for one tier up
@@cody8011 yeah but im talking to reboot though. for ranked servers buying cubes with reward points are still pretty nice since its IRL money. but you guys can buy fam cards in the market . We reboot players cant so if we farmed a crap ton off fams and roll shit. we need to redo the progess because there are no red card at all in reboot.
It's just to expensive to play on regular which really sucks because I miss trading and the FM in general, but it's also a convoluted mess with all the scrolls and such. Reboot is just much more simpler and straight forward.
I think there are 2 benefit of the doubt kind of things to take away from the latest live talk:
1. Saying they don't have any plans at the moment for changes was more a statement that since the debates started very recently and not due to some recent change they did, they haven't had a chance to properly plan out a solution to this new problem the players brought up, and it'd be irresponsible to suggest ideas that haven't been approved yet directly to the players, so just telling the players "we don't have anything planned to change this yet" was the right move for now.
2. Most balance changes in regular are like walking on eggshells. When it comes to balancing reboot, the only concern is making it too easy for players to progress so they do everything there is to do in the game and then get bored because there's nothing left to shoot for. When it comes to Regular however, they also have to take economy into account because players invest real money into their gear and view their gear as an investment as a result. This means that improvements to upgrade systems that make it more reasonable to upgrade gear without paying money or just by paying less money would have a lot of pushback from players that already spent 500 dollars on a piece of 22* 3L equipment and now are upset that other players can make a 22* 3L equip for 100 dollars instead, or just outright free with some good ol patience and grind.
Here's some examples of balance changes they could make for regular that'd do exactly what they're asking for, aka make Regular more reasonable to progress in the same level of fairness as reboot, but would also get a ton of pushback from players that put tons of money into upgrading their gear already and don't want their investments to lose value or other people to get to where they are without spending as much as they did:
- Reducing SF cost on regular compared to reboot: This makes a lot of sense as reboot makes 5x meso from nearly all sources, but for some reason SF costs are the same over there. Why are Regular SF costs not like half, or even 1/5 that of reboot? I get they have to spend some meso on cubes, but SF arguably contributes a lot more to damage than cubes do at least in the mid game.
- Making Regular cubes have better rates on lines than Reboot: If regular has to pay real money for cubes while reboot can get hundreds of them every week just by doing a few bosses, why are the cubes that cost real money not better? Shouldn't they have higher tier up rates, better chance of more desirable lines like stat%, attack%, boss dmg, crit damage, prime lines, etc? That should be the default instead of having those features only on specific event cubes that cost even more.
- Reboot is missing a number of mechanics that Regular has to get extra damage, and to compensate, it gets free 60%+ final damage. If regular players have to jump through a bunch of hoops like getting Bonus potential and Scrolling to get damage that reboot players get for free, shouldn't it be better in the long run, or at least be more approachable? (i.e. making it so Scrolls by default don't use up slots on failure; Bonus cubes cost as much, drop around the same rate, and are given out from events the same as regular cubes)
even reboot progression feels like an extreme time sink.. i'd like to see progression eased up a bit before returning to the game, right now, it takes way too much time to really progress in the game with all the mechanics you have to juggle to feel an impact on progression.
maybe some of the meanings of words are lost in translation but i believe what he means is sth that we can agree on, that mmorpgs are generally seen as a boring genre of games but wonki, despite knowing this wants to make the game more fun for us. it is easy for game devs to just ignore players' feedback but nexon kr does it the hard way by taking in the opinions of the playerbase there, which is why kr reboot is made at some point in 2015 anyways. the problem is that at some point in 2021 reboot is just made easier and easier to the point where progression there is faster, better and more fun then just playing in normal servers. i cannot relate because im just a mapleseaer which is like, the only server where there's no reboot but im kind of glad that it is this way... i prefer that the main player base is here on main servers. it is quite interesting to click on someone that is 260+ and seeing that they have 300 over medals and the countless of events that the players have been through. those are the real maplestoryers that i admire. but i can imagine that for other servers with the option of reboot server like i think gms tms cms kms? those players probably feel like reboot is easy mode and should play there instead. who knows how nexon kr will do next. i sure hope to see more of the real originsl endgame content in pre big bang time coming back alive... neo tokyo, masteria, especially those maps in nlc cwk haunted house and phantom forest... there are remaining notes that nxprose has left us with and i hope gms does go back to the original lore that is much more interesting to me than whatever masteria through time is atm... may the potential changes in gms' unique content spread to kms and then to mssea pls 🙏
Haven't played maple for like 2 months and not gonna lie it was hard at first i literally cried like when my pet died i felt empty but I'm slowly recovering,still miss the game and goofing around with players but it was consuming so much time and i already reached my biggest dream in the game getting my shade to lvl 250 :3
Holy crap, hearing this news makes me want to never pick up this game again. Seriously
This is by far the worst take coming out of Wonky's mouth. Clearly he is not up to date with the MMORPG scene, and not knowing his own product and player base either.
Then again, why would he? He's already blinded by money after all.
I'm not usually into Maplestory anymore, but I feel like if the devs usually apply something no matter unpopular, it is what it is and players are willing to deal with it.
How do you take a finite experience and make it take a near infinite amount of time? Long grinding that makes very little improvement to stats, repetitive bossing, and endless repeatable daily quests.
MMOs aren't dead but it's certainly a difficult game to pull off these days due to many reasons. Some of them being high costs of creating one and maintaining it but also stuff like how to make the game actually fun in the long run. Now I gotta be honest.. I'm surprised people still enjoy MS. Maplestory was my first MMO and I don't think I'll ever experience a game like I did maple. I don't think it's just possible for the stars to line up again like they did back when internet was very new and fresh thing. There were no livestreams or they were very much not a common thing, guides were much much more rare which meant people experienced and did things blind. It was like a new world that people explored together. I remember when hitting 5k was considered insane amount. Now I was watching this video playing on the BG where you had like.. man I dont even know? Dps in billions. I was like ''bruhh...'' And people pay a lot of real cash to get their damage from like 125023084 to 135201049? Seriously what's the point anymore.. Anyway, I digress. People who still find joy from the game, I'm happy for them.
I would only play this game and recommend it to my friends if there were more actual SOCIAL mmorpg things. Like training with your friends, doing party quests like the old times, and etc... Overall, just make it less solo, punishing, and more social!
They should just make a new MapleStory and instead of Voxels and 3D make it true to the original with better code, less overly-complex systems and apply the things they learned from making MapleStory 1 to the new one. They could have it run better, more high fidelity BGs and effects and all kinds of cool stuff. Maybe even a more user-friendly cash shop that allows you to use the things you buy on all your other chars and things that don't make people needlessly upset. I think there would be a ton of interest in a game like that. I know I'd be interested.
That’s tough, I feel like a lot of people out way too much effort, time, money invested in their ms1 account. If anything they just need to overhaul the original game. Somehow port all characters w/ progression to a new improved clean remastered maplestory. Get rid of a lot of towns, focus on the important populated areas bring depth to them and make them have purpose with a. Singular cohesive story with branching side quests that somewhat relate. Also less Pay to win.
If they just realize if they make the game player friendly and put more effort in their art and focus on what the people want. We will give them their money. Instead of just forcing shit we don’t want
would you say the livestream is... wonky?
TMS has a way to make pitch boss equips tradable with psok again. They have very few reboot players. Why cant other regions try that.
You know TMS isn't the only server with psok
@@blzy965 duh!
@@waynsup2day 'Why cant other regions try that', you know the implications of that sentence?
@@blzy965 do you even know what im talking about?
@@blzy965 pitch boss items cant be traded after equiped. But in TMS, you can purchase a in game cube to reroll the mpot, and make it tradable once with psok.
Honestly if they get rid of the once a day boss kill for a chance to get a boss equipment it will help with progession on reboot so your not stuck in mid game because cpap didn't drop the face accessory and having to wait an entire week just to fail again. However they should keep the Instense powe crystals a once per kill so that people aren't just farms cra
I played a lot from 2005-2007 and I really had a blast. I tried playing it again a few days ago and was recommended Reboot servers... What a disappointment. I, of course, took Explorer since I thought I'd be going right back home but oh boy. I got my second class advancement in a flash and all I had to do is watch cutscenes. No grind, no community, no lfg. It was just weird to enter the Fairy Academy under an hour without exploring Victoria Island or grind for a piece of equipment. Skill points didn't matter at all and there was no point to walk around Perion and kill stumps as a Fighter... Which saddened me. For me, the whole side-menu where the game tells you where to go is a big downside and kills the magic of finding things via exploration, trials and errors... But I guess I live on nostalgia here. I'll continue to play for a few more hours, maybe there's some good stuff somewhere but I can't say for sure I'll stick back to it.
How do you even introduce Reg servers to let's say a friend who ur trying to play with ? "Hey dude, wanna progress slower, and shell out your hard earned 8hrs a day money, to get anywhere." Or do you wanna spend 5 bucks on a pet snack, and just play2win the game in reboot. Reg servers are completely unappealing to any single new player, this is not 2010 anymore. People have better things to spend their money on. I wish I could say anything other, but it is the reality of this game. "Just play reboot". Even if u'r an old timer with 10k legion, down the road going to reboot, would probably be more fun and waaaay less expensive. Cut out the sunk cost fallacy, even if it is already deep, and just go reboot.
Yeah it really sucks. Im stuck on regular servers cause I have no income. Not that I would want to pay to win anyway. Just really sad to see the state of this game
Quitting this game was one of the best decisions I made some 10 years ago
MMOs are pretty popular right now, I think he might be outsourcing the team being the reason that THEIR MMO is dying
I genuinely gave up on GMS and I’m just catching up w the news hoping to hear about a Classic Maplestory in the making (which seems like a dream that’ll never come true).
I wish they would do that, like how world of warcraft made world of Warcraft classic.
We need equipment preset!!!!
The crashshop LOL
I've got over 900 hours into maplestory according to steam and I haven't even reached mid game on any character ever. My highest character is 250 thanks ro hyper burning. But the sheer mountain of time it takes just to get to the good part of the game is absurd. Along with everything being time gated by coin drops and daily quests is just such bad design. I feel like I spend so much time in this game to barely achieve anything at all. The game is so different after level 200, why does 1-200 even exist anymore? It's just a crazy long tutorial.
My first youtube channel was banned for having 2006 Maplestory content.
All thats needed is Maplestory Classic, 4 classes only.
MS classic but with 1.5 exp rates and teleport rocks would be sick
After that news I feel I will try Lost Ark again. Was not in a game for a year...
Started playing again... found out why nobody wants to play Explorer anymore... stupid [Required] story. No more black marbles for job advance... nope, 20 years later an actual maple story.
Started on reboot, the maps are just like Henesys hunting maps in 2006 no room.
They should have thought through it more, maybe a 2 reboot servers.
I mean, what really prevents me from sticking around in Maple tends to be the gear progression (regular servers). It all feels so inaccessible when you get to around level 140~160+, and then there is all this cube nonsense. There are so many completely pointless and useless stats when it comes to cubes. Like 3% chance for a facial expression to proc or whatever it was. It feels like they just made that stuff up to try and get more out of your wallet. People would be somewhat satisfied with a 2% increased Dex or whatever, and then stop there, and the devs knows that so they just added all this useless padding. I log in and play for like a week, get a new character to around 205, and then log back off and wait another year before playing again. I have given up on gearing my characters.
The director is the real Boos lol
I played the late the late Alpha version of Maple Story Global. Way back, when they delayed the launch of the OG thief class. So Alpha launched with just the warrior, archer, and mage classes. Those were the days...but sadly I think the game is long dead. Like 10 years long dead.
COMPENSATION, HERE WE COME! LALALALA LAAAAAA
This is why I don't really play anymore, ever since Big Bang its been one thing after another in terms of terrible design.
The genre wouldn't be "dying" if they cared about the game, but I feel that's more of them either being out of ideas, or are no longer passionate about designing good systems to keep people invested.
All I really want is to have emphasis back on the social aspect of MMO's, making it more worthwhile to grind and boss with friends than having so much solo focus, that would make the game a million times better.
Obviously, making the regular servers not p2w would be a massive plus, as well, but it's been a decade and a half, although there's always hope.
imagine if MapleStory brought back a classic/old school like most big MMOs how much profit they would make and how much players the would gain. But no, they are to dumb to do it
Personally I think lvs 0-100 need to become harder again. Also bring back more party quests weather it’s 2 or 4 or more people. I hate going into the game and not being able to play with my friend and brothers
No have u ever heard of legion lmao
what a joke of a company
Spilling the tea
"Don't you all have phones?"
I'm not playing this game again until totems are re-added, or some legitimate compensation is done to make up for how much worse the game is without them. I quit around 2011 (started playing on launch in 2005), and came back last summer for the Destiny event, so I don't mind not playing for another 10+ years.
Came back to this game for the first time in over 10 years. It's nothing like it used to be. It's all about end game. Nothing early on. I got to level 70 doing those dungeons I loved doing back in the day ans now I'm like now what. I ran into maybe 2 people. No community here. It isn't what it was and I know I'm stating the obvious. But trying to get a friend of mine into is daunting because it's not new player friendly
The video's really good, but feels like toned down Wonki's words alot since there are more of nuance and situation when he said that. It was the developers put heavy gacha system despite the outrage and they even got called out for manipulating gacha rate like a year ago...? It was them literally turned the whole K-MMO into cazino and now, Wonki, whos in charge of all those updates BLAME PLAYERS to treat it like gambling, and doesn't *"treat game just as a game"* ?? It's ridiculous, but what makes it even worse is that he used those words intentionally to drive a wedge between players by pinning on certain player base.
Wonki was literally milking money from the original server players and players were tolerating it mainly since they could sell it back if they want to quit. And now they are turning it to unsellable, original server players asked "if you thanos the item value we put all the money in, what would incentivise us to put money in original server?" and Wonki said, *"Good memories :)"* 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
I love maplestory, and I always will. But I don't play because it is a good MMORPG I don't even play it for fun its most a nostalgic feeling that I have when I used to play, even before Cygnus Knight patch
Nothing better than Maplestory K-Drama. Full of trust, betrayal, and saranghae Mushmom
Still waiting on a classic old school server >.< why don't they listen to us Coppersan D:
Won't lie, if maplestory did a actual whole reboot patch with a really good story with voice over...lets say black mage takes over maplestory and actually takes everything back in time but you keep all your cash shop stuff and buffs(which would be called legacy buff or something with all levels of that accounts characters) and then puts everyone on a new world... id probably come back and play if its a reboot server.
Only reason mmorpg's are even dying is because every publisher that brings it to the west just tries to make it pay to win or pay to progress it's never just for convenience.
Take the enhancement/upgrading systems, it's always get to this star/level and then the next level there's a chance the item will break but if you pay x dollars you can stop this from breaking or double your chances of success.
I don't understand how companies are squeezing their playerbase of their money out of greed and then when new companies attract millions of players by just making the players pay for cosmetics as optional without hindering their gameplay they can't readjust or adapt to a new business model. The old guard only sees negatives when it's about giving more to their players or game's community. They just can't see the positive sides and don't bother to try capitalizing on these
It's like they don't realize some players actually work and use that hard earned money into their game to enjoy the game even better. They just think everyone is rich and that it doesn't bother anybody to put money into a video game endlessly.
he speaks the truth. the best part about mmos were interacting with other players. social media and games like VR chat has replace mmos.
Old player here (I've been playing off and on since 2005...) anywho it feels like Maple's been P2W for a LONG time now, specifically after Big Bang, somewhere around the time frame of where the fun somewhat ceased, and the "i need more damage" came along. Just a bit of insight.
Reboot servers fix the p2w but people are so guilty for sinking so much time and $$$$$ they won’t leave scania.
Oh thats the year I started as well. way back in 2005. Its a shame to see the state of how the developers treat the fans of their game globally. I know their main audience is korea.
Ive had issues in this game for getting help with bugs. I had a demon slayer bugged out for 2 years and tried repeatedly to get help so I could finally get my class change to the third tier at 90.
I never got the help I needed and ended up getting help from someone else to figure out what it was.
Ive never felt like maplestory cared about me even though I always liked the game sadly
Not after Big Bang. It was after the introduction of Potential
maple was kind of a lot of gamers first insight into the korean game devs motive.. that insane grind mixed with pw2 to make things easier. took a while for the west to catch on but it was inevitable really D;
item potentials and star forcing was the biggest mistakes made in making the late game progression hell
Oh boy..
I want a oldschool server already.
Yes with party quests. I say I’d get back on instantly. Bring back 20 min ship ride to ludi with no quick teleports and free markets. Oh good ole ship ride to Ludi, made so many friends on that ship boat.
@@jammedfinga We'd play for a month and then quit
@@S.O.N.E LMAO TRUEEEEE
Down in flames fr, blessings tho. A gem from childhood really
LOL damn..that was hard to watch..I haven't played in 3 months, it just gets worse n worse
one of the reasons I stopped playing because the game crashed every now and then and I got tired of it
You know i keep wanting to post thoughts and ideas on reddit, but the odds of them caring (or lets be honest, even seeing it) is slim. There's small things I wish would change for the game long term, but it doesnt make them a buck now, sp why do it? I love the game, I hate how they try to milk every dime out of players.
Coppershade in grandis so dope.
Maple director pulled an SVB CEO level move…
I started MS again in January after "quitting" in April 2021 during the buggy Wondroid event. I made some good progress during the Ignition event, but the clover and daily grinding was too much. It's great progression but the FOMO was insane when I wasn't spending time grinding. It's unhealthy for me, so I stopped playing completely. I really have to wonder what possible future GMS has if Nexon doesn't even listen to their core base in South Korea??? The cube rate changes are also very frustrating as it already took billions of mesos to cube my gear to unique/legendary with decentish pots. Nexon is too greedy and they would rather put in roadblocks to halt progression rather than making more meaningful content at a higher level. The more time you spend cubing, the more time you spend farming mesos, and the more money you spend on the temporary NX items. Maybe you even spend money on a vac pet or Wonderberry to try and get a perm pet. What a joke of a company.
Should probably step down from position as Director
Nah this shit is streamed abroad, such a shame I'm a KMS user. People fear of collapsed value of their items and make a panic run to reboot even event is undone. Every arcaneshade and pitched boss items in an auction got 15% to 25% lower and unreinforced absolute set items are 5~8K now. Lehman brother's are not that far. Tragedy.
The truth is always hurts
My 2 cents here... the problem of maplestory (or at least for me) is the huge amount of time that you have to invest in order to level up past lvl 220. Recently i tried leveling my dawn warrior for about an hour or so and my exp only went up around 20 - 15%. Wtf?
I'm actually trying to level up using a macro.
At this point I don't care if my account get banned because I just simply don't have enough time to grind for about 4 or 3 hours a day in order to level up once.
You know that this game is over for you whenever You're willing to take risk of your all - time account getting banned just for pushing a few levels up...
this is your own fault lol, macro are banned in most games, and doing daily + events give u tons of exp too...
even in moba, if they catch u using macro they can report u too lol.... so moba is dying too?
i played since 2012, and yea i hate grinding too, sometimes i just do dailies and events and thats all for the game, currently progress already can solo till hard damien, returning player on ignition patch. Quit and sell account when kanna nerf, returning as soul master
get a level 210 mercedes, evan, and aran. Then get a level 200 zero for the legion exp bonus, focus on upgrading decent holy symbol. I personally do not care if you macro, but these will make grinding a lot easier.
For a dying genre, ff14 is doing quite well. Subscription model yeah, so hard to compare it to maple, but it's obvious that the genre still has something to offer if you bother to make the game good.
I'm surprised Rev is only 4 billion
Can I get a vanilla MapleStory server kinda like wow did the vanilla wow i would actually play again if the game actually took team play rather then single player and only team play when u need to get carried. 😢