Mass Effect ANDROMEDA Choice: Salarian Pathfinder VS Krogan Scouts + Drack's Reaction
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I've really wanted an option to make my companions do one thing while I do the other...
So... Virmire?
Heck yeah, I could've taken a group on by myself...my companions are usually just a distraction in this game.
exactly, it's total poppycock that you can't have Drack (and your other companion) go get the Krogans while you rescue the Raeka and the other slarians, it's almost as if the producers of Bioware said:
"Alright, listen guys, I have a great Idea, how about we make the players choose between saving the krogans or saving Raeka."
"What if they did both?"
"Then that would make the entire thing pointless!"
"But why make them choose between them when they could be a good leader and split their strike team into 2 and-"
" *Anyone* else? No? Good."
I know right? Always pissed me off when you can't do that in games. I mean, it technically happened in ME3 (if certain characters were loyal and alive, they'd help you get extra EMS that you'd lose out on otherwise, like how Zaeed got you Turians and a Volus fleet by threatening a Volus he was hired to protect).
@@WolfyFancyLads You mean hired to kill? He thought that the Ambassador was working with Cerberus at the time (which technically he *had* been).
6:30 couldnt stop laughing was thinking of the green aliens from toy story "YOU HAVE SAVED OUR LIVES, WE ARE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL"
you kill the salarian pathfinder, no one bats an eye
you let exaltation on a bunch of krogan scouts, everyone loses their minds
also in the final mission if you save the krogan, they help you at one part
Ikr, good lord. I did so much for them already, and the one time the salarians need my help, the krogans need it again. I need to spread the love here, the salarians already lost a ton of people, and you're telling me they're gonna lose even more with their Pathfinder?? Too many reasons to help them here.
because Krogans are already badass on the field, and Kett exaltation (If you ever read the log on Kett Beheimoths in the Species Catagorey in the Codex, you'd know this) has a malfunction where Krogan "Blood Rage" is permanent, making them even more of a strong target because as everyine should know, Blood rage only happens when they're low on health an it's supposed to make them nearly invulnerable and make their power attacks replenish faster and makes them do more damage when they melee- (you get the point) so choosing Raeka over the scouts is going to make the Kett even more deadly, with them having an offensive strike force of 2-3 Beheimoths, they would be bound to be able to wipe out the enitre Angaran Resistance in a heartbeat (Not to mention all the expendable organs a Krogan has also gives them an edge) so yeah, be mad at Drack because he's mad at you all you want, but the right choice almost no doubt would be to save the Krogan Scouts.
Pathfinder as a job seems to have a high mortality rate anyway. Should anyone really be surprised another one bites the dust?
@@CamelotsmoonI mean, the Krogans had literally been doomed to extinction by salarians and Turians, been tricked and a bait-and-switch deal with the initiative, been harassed by a organized group which was lead by spender secretly, and having been discriminated against for being violent so mainly I sort of seeing where everyone comes from since the salarians been having it good and the Krogan’s be considered second rate by many especially those in higher positions.
Honestly, Raeka over "nameless scouts that don't have any consequences" seem to be the better pick for me.
Drack please, stop losing your damn scouts, every APEX mission is about them lol.
Red Lake Iv noticed the mass effect games overall the Krogans tend to lose scouts lol
@@OblivionKisame I think that says something about them, they're not made for covert operations lol.
The Wanderer I mean they do also hit things to fix them and instead of hacking something open they shoot it or blow it up lol.
@@OblivionKisame "Krogan military doctrine has a different take on what "scouting and reconnaissance" means. While other races' scouts prefer stealth and discretion in carrying out their tasks, krogan scouts instead opt to deal psychological warfare when they find the enemy by way of occasional harassment or intentionally exaggerating their numbers. The reasoning is that it is a lot easier to count enemy numbers when some of them get blown up." I remembered this was on the wiki lol
Well have you seen how large and clunky Krogan are? They don't make very good scouts...terrible recon, and terrible stealth. Krogan will either leave food crumbs or footprints all over the place and you can hear them from a great distance.
When Drack says to back off on the Tempest after saving the Salarian Pathfinder, if you say you're sorry instead, he forgives you in the next conversation you start with him even if it's within the same minute. So, save the Pathfinder and tell Drack you're sorry. Best results.
i have just played that part of the game (i saved the salarians), but i thought that drack would hate me the rest of the game so i came here, i have been reading a lot of comments and well, yours makes my mind rest, after all i do think that saving the salarians is the best option
Drack tends to be a surprisingly understanding and rational Krogan in almost every conversation that involves him. Considering the obvious reasons Krogans and Salarians hate each other, I knew he'd be pissed when they were chosen over his own people, especially after having Just seen the result of their exaltation. But since he forgives you with a laugh and practically a pat on the back just for saying sorry, always pick Salarians.
Michael Myers hé is a walking relic. lol.. hé has more experience than any krogan dealing with this shit. so hé should be more understanding :)
He should be the one apologizing to Reaka. Not only did her team came to save our asses in the canon control room but they also created a diversion so we could search the Archon room.
Michael Myers Holy fack man! THANK YOU for posting this! I was stuck on this choice screen for over an hour and couldn't make up my damn mind, so I came to the youtubes to look for reactions!!! Thanks again!!
After now seeing that Drack was "glad" that Ryder left the salarians behind in place of his scouts, I'm relieved I chose to save the salarians.
Major Kirrahe hold the line!
For me the "I'm glad you left Raeka behind" line completely spoiled Drack's gratitude. Raeka, by contrast, is both selfless and humble towards Ryder. It confirms for me that she is the more worthy person to save, especially when you consider that Raeka and her ragtag group risked their lives for Ryder.
I agree. I chose to save the salarians and wasn't 100% sure I made the right choice but after Drack said that, I was relieved and 100% satisfied with my choice
I didn't know about this. Thanks, I will go full Raeka then.
Iconsider that this is about saving all the salarians of the ark from exhaltation right?
I mean the ark housed Families in them so wha kind of monster would leave them in a fate worse than Death?
I mean, isn't all the salarian crew trapped on the kett Ship?
It isn't all of the salarians. Most had already been evacuated to the ark. She went back to get a few stragglers.
the only difference is the type of enemy you fight later on krogan behemoths are a bitch to fight you fought one in the archons chambers the salarian enemies are easier
I choose the salarians because of the pathfinder.
I love Drack. But the initiative needs their pathfinders more
Adrian Anderson Exactly my thought. This is for the greater good in my opinion.
AND that is the only trained, original pathfinder, all of the others were stand by's.
Adrian Anderson see I thought so to but krogan have like 4 % reproduction rate. A species or a leader what do I do
*4% rate of success in reproduction is statistically irrelevant when there are a few krogan scouts at stake, that would only matter if the numbers of the krogan were astronomically low so your point is moot*
the scouts at the end of the game kick some serious ass for me. they were awesome.
It's WAY better to save the Pathfinder.
Drack understands that mission parameters change.
And if you do all of the stuff for Drack and Elaaden, Kesh is very understanding that you've already helped the krogan.
Plus, as a matter of principle, Drack's scouts were the closest thing to military, while Raeka's people were civilians: it is standard military practice to rescue civvies over non-VIP military. (On top of which, Raeka is VIP.)
And choose Morda at the end of the game. Best solution for both.
I have a hunch that Drack won't be entirely loyal from you choosing the pathfinder, and it could kill him off in the next game like how loyalty choices from ME2 imported to ME3 if weren't loyal they'll die
@@alexh6767 if we get a next game. The abandonment of this trilogy makes me sad.
Kett krogan are a nightmare
I'm pretty sure there should be an option to separate with drax so he can save his people and you can save the salrians he's strong enough to deal with it right?
Sekulture That's what should be done. Tell him to free the scouts, meet at x, blast your way out.
especially since he's been fighting Kett on his own for over a year it would have been more difficult for you rescuing the other pathfinder but more accurate given his strength.
Or bring more than 2 people with you on this do or die mission :]
It would have been cool if they did some main missions like the suicide mission at the end of ME2, so everyone was doing something, even if they weren't with you but just on comms. It seems strange to always have 4 people sitting on the bench.
Same reason why you couldn't save both Ash and Kaidan; _everybody_ would do that, and then we wouldn't be arguing!
Had I not seen her credit, I never would've guessed that Raeka is voiced by Gemma Whelan...... Yara Greyjoy on Game Of Thrones!
Lexi is also voiced by a GOT Actor too i think.
Yeah, by Natalie Dormer and Gil is voiced by Gethin Anthony, who played Renly Baratheon.
Thats where 40m went into overpayed actors lol
That's it then. I am saving Raeka cuz I am a fan of Yara Greyjoy
I choose to save the pathfinder cause she was a cool character with a suprisingly cute voice and helped us alot on the archon ship.. compared to like a few nameless scout.. im mean sure Drack whined a bit about it but after completing all the Krogan mission getting " Krogans dont matter" speech was like " Wtf man I cant save every single life in the galaxy all the time geez..."
Autarch Velkir um I'm going to save the krogen because I'm not about to fight upgraded Kent krogen
Krogan have suffered thousands of years of racism and discrimination. Try not to take it personally.
Autarch Velkir Bro I totally get it. Shit, I let Drack drop Aroane off the side of the goddamn planet, gave Morda the star drive core thing so the Krogan could have sovereignty and be equal partners with the Nexus and continually backed Kesh and Drack throughout the game. I can't always put the Krogan over everyone. Not only did I give you the chance to secure your own society, I saved your entire colonies major food source. Now you're telling me I need to save every single Krogan... Your the Pathfinder, not Jesus.
Kendric Coley They show up, anyway.
Bullshit, I have mine walking on water! LoL
I left some of the krogan parts out because they're the exact same as the salarian ones. It feels like saving the pathfinder is the obvious choice
I agree...I mean what with *spoilers*
the rest being dead.
And then Bioware punches you in the face for it with a lot of whining from Drack. While the other choice it's just like "well done, no colateral damage here". Their Krogan favoritism is showing...
I suppose if Drack wasn't complaining it would've been an even greater nobrainer ;]
I chose the scouts because I don't want to diss Drack. I actually like that guy
i chose the scouts because well yeah a pathfinder is badass and all but can be replace and ten krogan do a lot more damage ;)
Militarily speaking, there is only one correct choice to make because you know *damn* well what your orders from Addison and Tann would have been. Remember, you aren't really the leader, the people have trusted you as one on your word and mostly due to lack of choice. It's also the correct strategic choice, and your own extra abilities can overcome the unfortunate fact that it's not tactically optimal. You save Pathfinder Raeka. Enough with the chess Queen/Pawn metaphors. There aren't only 8 Krogan scouts left in the Galaxy. There is however only one *actual* pathfinder left and no, they are not "space Jeebus" they are the people (not you) in whom most of the training, resources, power and knowledge were invested because they were the ones who were going to find and start the colonies for *all* races. This is your chance to save a *real* one, and don't forget that during the scourge *most* of the leaders were lost. This choice was practically automatic for me.
Late to the comment but there isn't just one Pathfinder when you have the order of succession. Many have been trained to be Pathfinder if the current one dies or is no longer fit for duty. Cora is trained to be a Pathfinder.
This is more than just 8 Scouts. This is the Kett learning how to Exalt ALL Krogan. A single Exalted Krogan is strong enough to overcome a Pathfinder and their crew on its own. What will happen if the Kett decide to send in groups of Exalted Krogan? Krogan are hard to put down on their own ass is, but Krogan with untold genetic modifications and added genetic benefits to their already tanky disposition is absolutely terrifying. When it comes to Exalting Krogan, I rather leave a replaced team to die than make it possible for the Kett to reinforce with Krogan shock troopers. In the overall grand scheme of things, you'll have way more casualties if the Krogan are Exalted than getting a new Salarian Pathfinder.
@@RazielTheUnborn I had that in mind and also @mikejonesnoreally's thoughts, as well as: You could also argue that if the Kett get the Salarian pathfinder they acquire SAM technology which could be a game changer. Have either decisions an impact on the game and if which?
@@andremafemi1360 especially if theres a direct sequel to andromeda where decisions like this influence the story/combat of the next game
@@andyhaber89 In the following story it is revealed that the Kett can interfere with SAM technology on some level. Now that I completed the game, I think it is obvious that there is no absolute right or wrong. These classifications are always dependent on the observer, scope and scale. The possibilities and consequences are infinite with progressing of time/events. Each decision has its pro and cons in relation to the perspective chosen. They reflect our horizon, mindset, experience, social programming etc. Maybe this is a hidden message, that what ever you choose or decide, it is not wrong nor is it a final marker for your development. We are free to chose, free to re-evaluate, free to develop that is why we have a choice. Moreover it is often not the external information we have got to make a decision (because often they are wrong, distorted, not complete or simply contradicting or difficult to classify) but it is more an intuition or internal guidance which leads us on our pursuit of happiness.
Very hard decision. I chose to save the pathfinder because she saved my ass earlier.
Well ai think that the whole thing with saving asses is useless... if you weren't skipping every side quest and jumped from 1 main quest to another you will be fine.
For exaple I was kicking asses and my team8s was like: "boohoo I don't want to die boohoo"
@@igi666cz Funny is that by the time they were saying how we are screwed I already killed everyone on Insanity with reinforcements coming but dying just as fast as they came.
I dont think Raeka saved anyone's ass. I was literally pressing into them because I was absolutely slaughtering them and could go on forever like that until Kett ran out of Soldiers on that ship.
@@Dark_Voice that is so true my friend....
Tbh, I cried after deciding to save the salarians for one simple reason or two really- back in ME 1, dumbass Ashley killed Wrex and I missed him so frickin badly. Then came Mordin in ME 2&3. He grew on me, no lie. I dont know what came over me, I’m just an emotional person😭😭
I chose Raeka because of her adorable voice lol. But also looking at the bigger picture, its better to have another pathfinder. Need all the help (from intelligent beings) we can get and its too boring to be alone. Good thing I didnt have Drack with me on this mission, or it will make the decision much tougher. Would hate to make such decision in front of Drack.
Its nice seeing everyone's choices based on different reasonings, and none of them are right or wrong. Another great thing about this game.
Same glad I didn't bring Drack with me on this mission.
Raeka all the way sry Drack because I really really want an original pathfinder to survive in the game lol
Tsukiyo but there are so many fewer Krogan and I bet 10 krogan are better at fighting then one trained salarian and 9 untrained salarians
I saved the Pathfinder...but Drack WAS with me😶😑
Pathfinder Raeka is bad ass (especially at the end game). Still mad we didn't get a salarian teammate :/
Yeah, not bailing out a pathfinder that can't solo a Kett ship.
Liquid Mark lol thanks for the laugh
even on the hardest difficulty it's easy to solo a ship
Well she didnt try to- she had the riskier job of saving everyone by making and defending an EMP if you remember.
Anyway at least you saved the Krogan guys who got themselves captured while on patrol.
@@SPACEHARICE Tbh, choosing to save both, butcher every single Kett on the archon ship and then fly in the Kett Ship somewhere, destroy it and call Tempest would be easier. As long as the ark and Tempest leave the gun range of the Kett ship, its mission success and no Kett can kill Ryder. He/She would just play like 300 wave multiplayer on Firebase: Nimbus and kill coulds thousand Kett with ease - having this choice would be good test of endurance.
She's too good to let her die. I pity Drak and those no name krogans, but Raeka is just so adorable. And a pathfinder
She's the only remaining fully trained original pathfinder.
Anyone else strangely attracted to Raeka? No just me? ok...
You kidding? Mate, I know this is 3 years too late, but SO many people wanted that Salarian booty! Not me personally, I'm more a Drack man, but SOOOOO many people dug Raeka hard!
not into bug eyed lizards myself
peebee my girl
I have a theory that Raeka was the original Peebee.
The problem was that they needed that partner slot to be filled sooner than the story would allow for a salarian and invented a random asari with a salarian personality to jump on you.
Drack was far less aggressive after I chose to save Reika in my game. i had already done his loyalty mission and nearly all the missions in new Tuchanka. He was more understanding that i made a real tough call, we was pissed to be sure but he never threw threats my way like he did here.
Know this is old, but I'm curious what he said to you. I'd already done Drack's loyalty mission and sided with the krogan in pretty much every scenario before this, but he was still just as pissed. Still have a good relationship with him overall, but he didn't mince words here for me.
Well, he took it rather well - if Shepard didn't cured genophage Wrex would attempt to kill him after all...
that's if Shepard lied, also curing the genophage is much more significant than a few scouts
Which is why you just kill Wrex in ME:1 and be done with it.
mareczek00713
Do ya miss me now fuckers?
Sigh* I know I spelt my name wrong.
why on earth would anyone kill wrex...hes..hes wrex goddamit you just cant do that.
If u do a quest that involves finding a suit of armour for Wrex in Me1 you can still spare his life even if u can't charm him.
My Drack didn't behave like that. I think it is because i did his loyalty mission before this specific mission.
Considering the important choices you make with the Krogan in this game I sense by game three they could be very important to the new trilogy so I will be supporting them.
Sacrificing raeka felt like sacrificing the council in me 1.It doesn't matter that they get replaced,a trained and experienced pathfinder is much more important than some scouts.
On my first playthrough, I saved Raeka. It wasn't that I thought "omg she's a Pathfinder", but more like.. "omg, I don't want Archon to have a real live Pathfinder to experiment on and learn all my secrets."
I wanted to save the Krogan for my mans Drack, and because the Krogan got a bum deal after arriving in Andromeda.
I hate how a lot of characters are hypocritical in this game. granted it's not that much and most of them are characters that you could just completely miss. but Drack talks about sacrifices and how you need to make them
like it makes sense that he'd be pissed off but it doesn't make sense that he wouldn't let you explain. if anything you should be able to throw his own fucking words in his face
@@WilliamAmbervein It's not just that. Since I'd gone to that Archon's location after completing pretty much every mission on Elaaden available with pro-krogan options taken, including taking that water-baron-Angara out of business, I'd expect him to cut me some slack!
Not only that, I like to be able to point out that plenty of salarians were taken from the ark (In the thousands, I believe). As well as that saving a Pathfinder is a boost to morale of a huge part of Initiative's members. As well as salarians now owing krogans a favor or two because of krogans' loss and sacrifice. Not to mention that Drak was with me there on that mission. Another point my Sarah could have made was that while Sarissa retained her place as a Pathfinder, her deeds are now public knowledge. My Ryder doesn't like secrecy too much.
Etc etc.
It's really a shame just how mediocre this game turned out being.
I figured there's less Pathfinders than Krogan but that conversation with Drack was just painful. Sadly it shows one of MEAs biggest issues, zero consequences. Let the Pathfinder die and nobody bats an eye and you get no consequences in the final mission. If you let the Krogan become exalted Drack forgives you after being grumpy for a while, no added difficulty later on with Kett/Krogan abominations, Drack leaving the team or worsened relations between Nexus and the Krogans or something. Everyone is so fucking *reasonable* all the time.
Actually, you are wrong with no added difficulty. Leaving the scouts behind adds Kett Behemoths to all future missions.
@zafelrede4884
Huh? I didn't even notice that. Do they replace other enemies, or are they added?
Either way, it doesn't really have an impact on the story or your relationships, which it should.
@@StormBringare I‘m not sure, but they take a lot of shots to go down. And you are right, these decision were the few times i got excited about the game, and they don‘t really go anywhere. What a shame.
@zafelrede4884
It decreases replay value and shows a bigger issue with ME:A. The devs were scared of making the player leave the comfort zone, which is necessary to get moments like Virmire or being challenged by Wrex after he figures out you sabotaged the cure. ME doesn't really give you a whole lot of consequences overall, but Andromeda was more railroaded than the OT. That being said, MEA did a bunch of things very well, making your own class(es), and having personal/loyalty missions tie into the overarching mission was absolute mint.
@@StormBringare Agreed
This was hard for me because Raeka saved all of us during her mission making us the reason she's in a bad situation now. I like the Krogans more and I'm to OP for a exalted Krogan to beat me but I feel bad because Derek is always with me. I think I should pick the pathfinder because I owe her.
Pathfinder? There can be only one, which is me *evil smile*
lol
Ildun it is possible
Ildun That came across my mind for a moment lol, however I went for the other option at the end.
I find that saving the Pathfinder is the more humane decision. She is a great leader like no other among salarians, with a will to sacrifice for her people, compasionate, a person to inspire and drive and someone to look up to, in a context where survival of the entire species depends on her. She was assigned/chosen for this task so she is the greater good, helping her means helping an entire race in a new galaxy.
Helping the scouts favors the relation with Drack but they don't bring the same level of value and importance to the krogan species (on the other hand I have already helped the krogans by giving up the core and it doesn't feel like putting them in a unfavorable position).
Just to make my fights (later on in the game) and tasks easier at the expense of an entire race would've been the egotistical choice but not the logical/humane one.
save salarians = get only og pathfinder left. salarian biology important factor here as well. she is a SHE salarian. she would be expected to be a huge part in any plans of populations the salarians were intending to have. she and other salarians there put themselves on the line to help you out in the mission you meet her (regardless on if you needed the help). you are saving civilians along with her. any military person worthy of being a defender of their people would tell you for those under their care, the enemy would have to go through them first before their people can be touched. someone also mentioned she has a SAM as well. unless she intends to destroy herself and the SAM in her, that is tech the kett can take, reverse engineer (edit, tech, tekk, kett, reverse engineer? intentional clue, serendipity (ME2 overlord anyone?), or just coincidence?) and use against you later. krogan scouts are by definition a type of soldier. not necessarily defender but thats something you go in realizing you may not come out. you will HAVE to fight exalted krogan if take this route, so tougher short term fight and not yet fully measured effect on any yet to be made sequels.
save krogan scouts= at least delay kett from figuring out how to exalt krogan. if doesnt stop them from doing so in any as yet to be made sequels, it still means you dont have to face them for now. save them you get to be godfather to keshs kids. you dont get drack angry at you even temporarily. you are saving HIS people, you may not know them, but he does. You dont know either group prior to this mission. salarians will be exalted and have to face them. not made clear if kett retrieved raekas SAM, but apparently not. if so will have to be shown in future sequels. war is hell and not everyone can be as good as they would like to be. if giving up a tactical advantage to make an attempt to save someone causes the enemy to win, then you lost. raeka is only og pathfinder you can choose to save. you may want to know exactly how big a difference in ability there is between a replacement pathfinder vs an og one. turians replacement was a spectre, anyone playing the me series should know that means they are definitely competent. depending on your choice with the asari, may have a definitely competent one (literally wrote the book on how asari do engagements) that did a decision that makes them unpopular but may or may not have been right call, or you get someone who is totally untrained, but might be able to learn and the one thing they were tested on, they passed. you are the humans replacement, and you have to be at least somewhat competent to make it through the game. apparently your father trained you in what he was trained in in an unofficial manner, so while dont have a medal or certificate, you may have been prepped to be a pathfinder already without knowing it, which may be why you get through the game. the salarian replacement, is a male salarian, who had not studied to be replacement though they knew they were next in line. they do work to bring themselves up to speed, apparently enough for certain things to be accomplished by endgame. a salarian memory is near perfect at least.
so saving the salarians very much the morally correct choiceof those two decisions. could cost you the ability to win though this game though. saving krogan, makes it notably easier to survive to the end here ( if only by easing one small portion). both decisions may have consequences in sequels though. would have liked option to consider splitting team and risk losing everything or trying to take over ship as some people mentioned here. ultimate challenge mode:can you solo the archons entire army? hmm the game would have been alot shorter though if that was an option.
Honestly this felt like an excellent callback to the Krogan facility on Virmire in ME1. I still went with saving Raeka because it's just a shitty decision to let the one trained Pathfinder die.
When I had to fight that exalted Krogan I knew immediately that I do not
want to do that again, especially on Insanity level, hence later when I
had to choose whom to save I chose Krogans. :D
I understand that the pathfinder can be replaced and krogans can't reproduce but this mission feels like saving Admiral Zaal'Koris over a bunch of quarian soldiers. IDK, but saving Raeka maybe crucial to another big decision in a future sequel like how koris was important in brokering peace between the geth and the quarians. It's also an allusion to saving the rachni queen over the Aralakh Company.
To be fair, if you save the krogan scouts, you basically become The Godfather to Kesh’s kids. So I always choose krogan
You become godfather regardless if you do his loyalty mission
The way I see it is this, the salarian species was at risk in Andromeda and most of them aren't warriors, they are scientists and explorers and have been asleep for 600 years only to be enslaved as soon as they awoke..
and like the Krogan like to brag about, they are warriors who live by the sword and die by the sword, also most of them have been awake since the nexus rebellion and were atleast given the chance to fight back, they should have known death would be preferable over enslavement
I see it as the pathfinders duty to protect each species no matter what, and I mean come on krogans what is it? they all boast how death doesn't scare them but when it comes time for their end they kick, complain and blame like petty children...
Krogan are enteraining but to me they're cowards who are good at throwing their bodyweight around like bullies, hell they always play the victim when the genophage is brought up but do they forget its because they tried to forcibly take over the galaxy? they don't like to take responsiblity for their actions and that I just can't tolerate
That's a damn good point.
Well put. You deserve more likes.
Thanks a lot for this video this has really helped with my decision. I'm going to pick saving the pathfinder, not only due to it saving her but also her people stuck there since brains can be more damaging than brawn. But drack said they may be his scouts so at the time of the decision how would you know they are. Also I have helped the Krogan out so much that I owe another Race the same lol And beside the salarian pathfinder also has another use regarding her field of study when in the Milky Way. And her cute voice
I chose the scouts, because Rehka had already accepted she was dead, but also leaving the Krogan ment faceing more behemothe on the battlefield. Also if the play can become that good a pathfinder, sure the salariens can do about equel. (sorry for bad gramma, I am a dane)
Drack, bro, as Pathfinder my job is saving colonists and making settlements. The scouts knew what they signed up for, and these are innocent salarians fighting a militaristic empire. This isn't a "krogans vs salarians" thing, I already did your loyalty questline smh
I chose the krogan scouts for the same reason Shepard destroyed the cloning facility on Virmire: letting your enemy build a krogan army is a terrible idea
Reasons why most players would choose to save krogan scouts:
1. Krogans are badass, from ME trilogy to Andromeda, Drack has that Wrex appeal
2. In this mission, the KroKett could withstand damage akin to the Eiroch. Quite problematic if you keep encountering them. A hybrid Salarian wouldn't be much trouble.
3. Ryder gets to save the Salarian Ark, why bother saving a few more? They're already indebted to Ryder whether or not Raeka survives.
4. Salarians unleashed the genophage on the Krogans after the Rachni Wars, a small payback of convenient murder would be nice.
5. Having a small Krogan squad indebted to Ryder is always a good idea.
6. Drack is in your squad and he urges Ryder to save his scouts.
This was probably the toughest decision for me in the game, but I chose to save Drack's scouts. Raeka made her decision and seemed to be alright with it. So I went after the scouts. Drack is... understandably upset if you don't, because it's one thing if they were executed, but they were going to be turned into Kett, which I think is a far worse fate.
raeka respected ryders decision even though she saved him during the mission, if it was a krogan who saved ryder then he would've been like " damn these nexus screwed us over again, nothing's changed "....krogans claim they are tough n shit but they let themselves to be captured alive?
I can never see saving the scouts as the 'right' choice. They're a bunch of replaceable Krogan while Pathfinder Raeka is the only Salarian that is properly qualified to be the Salarian Pathfinder.
The Salarian Captain might be able to wing it, but sacrificing a certified pathfinder for Krogan Scouts is just not worth it in the least.
As much as I looooove Drack and enjoy Krogans, the only logic choice is to save Raeka.
I think the Krogan had already been fucked over so much by the Nexus that I had to save them. They always get the short end of the stick.
@@danmac00 They literally killed trillions tried to conquer the fucking galaxy they earn every dividend of shit they get from anyone
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I rescued the salarian pathfinder, this is because she played such a critical part to the enjoyment of the story line and the scouts (in a non mean way) wouldn't of caused any benefit, I restarted my safe, and saved Raeka.
i had PeeBee and Jaal for this mission, seems kind of fucked up to bring Drax along and to have him help save Salarians considering the whole Genophage...
My thoughts exactly. If you're gonna choose Raeka, leave Drack on the Tempest. Ordering him to abandon HIS OWN MEN is pretty fucked up.
Had to go with the scouts for this one. The Pathfinder was willingly sacrificing herself while those scouts were simply captives.
Plus the krogan are much more powerful/dangerous than the salarians, and if the kett have to figure out how to exalt and utilize one species in their army, I'd rather it be salarians than krogan, who they've almost unlocked the secrets to already.
Honestly these two choices are meaningless. You get two bad decisions. I want real choices. Ultimately, I felt the Krogan will have a harder time surviving in Andromeda so I saved them. Losing the Salarian Pathfinder sucked, but she put herself in a situation she knew she would not make it. As a Pathfinder, she made the choice, as much as she did come to help she should of focused on her mission and I wouldn't have been forced to make a crappy choice. Honestly, when Cora and Liam were saying we were in trouble, I was like, really? We're killing it, cause I was apparently OP and killing them left and right.
sure even ryder got himself into that situation along with drack and raeka was the one who pulled them out of that bad situation...krogans usually boast about themselves being strong n stuff but those scouts were cowardly enough to have let themselves been captured alive
krogans are a racist bunch, the new tuchanka colony doesnt allow anyone besides krogans into their colony, i get that they hate the leaders of nexus but to deny the exiled or anyone else into that colony shows krogans intentions for the future
Where do you find that they are not accepting non-Krogan in to the Colony?
"new tuchanka" colony its on elaaden which is run by morda
Also in the old tuchanka , they dont allow anyone into their planet besides krogans
How is not real choice? Some choices both suck but you have to choose any way. Ash/Kaidan in ME1 was a prime example of that.
Gautam Raj well old tuchanka is their home planet the little bit I saw in earth didn't have any other aliens on it and neither did the Asari one (I can't remember the name at the moment)
The Krogan always get the short end of the stick. I had to save them.
I saved the Salarians and their Pathfinder. I felt bad for Drack and what happened to his scouts. But to be honest I enjoyed my decision later on because I got to fight the Behemoths. It was challenging at least.
Out of question:
1) archon need AI - Salarian Pathfinder top priority for saving
2) Drack already know - live of soldiers is expendable - scouts is type of soldiers - they are expendable
3) Raika very skillful - cost more then severel scout unit
4) Mission - save salarian, saving krogan is unpredictable difficulties - mean if there choice you know your mission.
If Drack can't understand that - he out of his mind - it really bad, that in this game you can't say as Shepard "Shut your mouth and do what i say or get out from my ship"
I saved the krogan scouts because I thought the Kett were going to send the kettified version of whomever I didn't save after me and I did not want to fight that exalted krogan again.
I like how everyone seems to use the words "obvious" and "clearly" when voicing their opinions.
Certainly both sides deserve to be saved, so it comes down to a value judgement.
By saving Pathfinder Raeka:
-You get a trained pathfinder
-You prevent that detailed knowledge about pathfinders from potentially falling into Kett hands
-You might gain political capital with nexus leadership (aka Tann)
-Raeka herself carried significant political weight (see codex)
But,
-The archon kinda already gained a lot of information about pathfinders by injecting you with that serum when he had you in that trap
-Do you really want to be best buds with Tann?
-Her political weight in the Milky Way was clear, but less so in Andromeda
By saving the Scouts:
-You get Krogan and Drack's loyalty
-You could prevent further Kett research into Krogan exaltation
-Preventing those Krogan from being exalted and deployed as weapons will save hundreds if not thousands of lives
-The Krogan are far more susceptible to going extinct due to their lower numbers
But,
-It seems like the Kett are pretty far along in their exaltation of the Krogan so it might not matter
-While you probably don't want to be best buds with Tann do you really desire to piss him off?
Why does Drack have human teeth?
lendial Shh....
I can't stop looking at them now! They look like giant dentures.
Krogan have always had flat teeth. they are omnivores, probably evolved from a prey species. Note the eyes on the side of their heads as opposed to all the other race's forward facing eyes, almost exclusively found in predators.
they evolved from veggie-eating prey, their body is all defensive and made for survival. Turians evolved from hunters
exactly, they have biological features and traits of prey. Eyes, teeth, armor, body mass, size, frontal plate. Also culture: they have farmers, they wrestle using their frontal plate same as buffalo. I think their design is based on Muskox and turtle
Why wasn't I given an army of elite soldiers to help? Damn this was tough...
If you save the Krogan, you have a surprise in the epilogue with Kesh, not saying anything else. You'll see
I chose Raeka, didn't want to loose another pathfinder.... plus I have ME and ME says fuck exalted krogans, I'm their worst nightmare.... Maybe if Drack had someone dear to him there like his brother or something I would've changed my mind.... Not even genophage changed my mind, raeka really needed my help... and some no-name scouts aren't changing that.... I mean the choice was pretty straight forward ? I bet majority of ppl chose Raeka, unless they're super Krogan fans...
From a pure gameplay perspective saving the Krogan is better. Means you don't have to fight anymore Behemoths.
I thought a few exalted krogan was more of a threat to the Initiative than the salarians so I chose the scouts. I wasn't bothered about the pathfinder because hardly any of the original ones are there and we're doing alright. I also like to stick a finger in Tann's eye at every opportunity.
actually, the game is heavily biased towards you making the choice to save the Krogan:
-the first mention you get is from sam telling you about krogan that can be saved, and warning you about the fact that they are near to being exalted. sam doesn't even mention saving salarians. it's the other pathfinder that does that.
-second is Drack's commentary
-third, and hardly ever mentioned, is that if you ask sam in your cabin on the Tempest afterwards, he tells you flat out that your father would have done that differently. not judging, mind, but for some reason needed to point that out anyway...
-fourth, it is noted by other krogans during diplomatic debate
-finally, you also have to face more krogan behemoths if you don't save them
none of these things happen if you save the krogan but let the salarians die.
I personally think saving the pathfinder is the right thing to do (plus, I LIKE the challenge the behemoths add late game). too much experience there too lose. But very clearly the game itself leans towards you saving the krogan.
Plus saving the scouts and gaining a better friendship with drack it could effect a next ME game but that's a small effect. Saving the salarian pathfinder that's a crucial and denting effect to a next ME game. I would go with saving the salarian PF
Huh. I thought the krogan scouts were the obvious choice. If you left the scouts behind then the kett would have had the means to finish the exaltation process for the krogan species therefore putting the entire colony at risk. Also Sarissa, Avitus, and Ryder ALL inherited their roles as pathfinders. Seeing as Hayjer seems calm in the face of danger he seems to be capable replacement for Raeka.
TurtleRawrrs they will have the means to do it either way really, just capture other krogans tho they are a bit more rare than salarians
I suppose. But you leave the ship knowing you've killed a prototype and taken away the rest of their live subjects. If they do capture more krograns in the future we won't really know if "Kett Krogran" will be a thing until the next game or DLC.
At the same time though Sarissa is a veteran Asari commando and Avitus used to be Council SPECTRE. They were both HIGHLY trained individuals before joining the Intiative and are used to high pressure situations. Not sure if Cpt. Hayjer has that level of training or experience.
I read that the scouts will later help you find the archon again. So, it's a sacrifice for sure, but I figure that the Salarians could still help with the Genophage even if a few Krogan didn't survive. They were already making headway so...
If you go to SAM node in your room on the Tempest , even SAM is a bit pissed off you didn't save the scouts.
Saying that's not what your father would have done.
Ryder is like "sheesh everyone is a critic"
I saved the pathfinder because she helped me throughout the entire mission.
I choose the krogan scouts and I'm happy with my decision. We all saw what Arcon did to the krogan you fought in his chambers, and by giving him the scouts you basicly say:"Here are some genes that you can make super soldiers of, enjoy!" + I have faith in the new salarian pathfinder. Ryder also didn't have any training when They put him in the position and he/she managed so far.
Dang it, I was talking to someone and missed part of the conversation so I panicked and chose the scouts. now I want to go back. I hate being so split on this decision
Yeah, nobody gives you shit for saving the scouts- but asode from the fact that Raeka and her team saved not only you and yours but they helped save the whole Salarian ark- AND shes a damn good pathfinder (prob better than that Hayja guy or whatever) - seems like a way smarter and ethical call to save them.
The scouts were already doomed but Raeka and her team were ready to sacrifice for you and the ark.
Damn, I just finished this mission. It was so hard to choose! I chose scouts in the end, I regret having Drack there for a second. :( really liked Raeka
I chose the scouts because in the final mission those same scouts come in to help you fight through mobs of enemies.
Also, the same scouts who get exalted into Behemots if you leave them to kett.
I saved the Salarian cuz Mordin. And the Krogan fight better angry.
Not for nothing but it's a little grotesque to choose the scouts over not just pathfinder but more importantly the salarian civilians... they must take priority over krogan's troops otherwise what good is an APEX force or army or whatever
I prefer to save the scouts because the salarians still get a Pathfinder even if it isn't Raeka and because even though Drack eventually forgives you, I still find it dangerous to piss of a krogan and because I like making sure the Kett can't make more heavy hitters for their troops.
Finally today I reach this point. The choice is actually even tougher than it showed in this video. I really want to save Krogan and make Drack happy,but on the other hand the reasons we should save Raeka not only because she is pathfinder, but also she saved our life( in my case including Drack ) before.
I wanted to save the krogans for drak cuz hes a bad ass companion. But the salarians i had to even tho i hate tann i had to save them for my pilot, plus there were more krogans on another planet anyway
I didn't even know about these Krogan Scouts till I got to this mission. Save random krogans or random Salarins +pathfinder????? Raeka seemed cool, lets save her!
well, given the fact that the andromeda krogans are still plagued by the genophage, every krogan counts. Meanwhile, salarians breed eggs... and they used to eat flies! :P
Having a krogan in your team is like having the hulk on the avengers :P
I saved the Krogans because I like them more than those salamander people.
I love drack and all but I chose Raekka because she's a compassionate and good leader.
Saving the krogan makes it easier as you don't have to fight the behemoths after archons ship mission
I went with the salarians I don't know how to say it like let say your in a ship sinking n The one right next to you is someone important the rescuer has to make a choice cause he or she can only save one cause the ship is sinking fast you or the important person but I made it up to drak when I chose the Krogan to be ambassador
The choice was obvious, bunch of krogan scouts vs a badass, cute, selflessness Salarian pathfinder. Beside the kett'd already finished exalting the krogan, it would be monumental losses if they could finish exalting salarians too.
saving dracks scouts was good for gameplay coz you didnt have to deal with berserkers later on. but damn some scouts versus a whole fuckin pathfinder??? not even a choice man
i just wish saving pathfinders was justified like they did some work colonizing other worlds too
I dont have the game yet but im already thinking about who to save
I feel like both could have been achieved and made for one hell of a fight, you send the other two of your team for the scouts and you went with reaka
I chose to save the scouts, to me this video reinforces that it was the right choice.
That and I didn't wan't the Kett to perfect Krogan Exaltation, I played that Mission at level 49 and that Behemoth still had a load of skulls above its health bar meaning it was a higher level.
There is only 1200 Krogan in Andromeda minus the ones the player killed and a few casualties here and there from mercenary work and fighting the Worm.
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You know technically they've done it anyway. There's a new bronze mission in which you fight an exalted krogan (if not more), so since the multiplayer is cannon your choice didn't really matter. It's more of a "save the helpless" vs "prevent a sacrifice" kind of thing.
You can't stop them from exhalting Krogan in general but you can prevent them from using those specific Krogan.
The Kett can always get more Krogan only 700 of the 1200 are in the colony the rest are either on the Nexus, Mercenaries, exiles or colonists in the outposts. (Easier targets for the Kett to capture)
Besides I would assume the Salarian Pathfinder knowing whats at stake would die rather than be captured alive (that and the Kett have yet to perfect Exaltation on Salarians, a few more won't make a difference)
All that and the Scouts join you , Along with the Replacement Salarian Pathfinder in one of the big battles near the end of game.
Good I saved raeka since there were many Krogan on elaaden but salarian people were many few left
There's only between 1,000 and 2,000 Krogan in andromeda, the Krogan didn't get a whole ark like the salarians.
Wait, how is the decision? You save 1 pathfinder or a lot of scouts? 1 reckless person or 10 lives? well, easy choice.
But I really hate how the squadmates are so whiny, they can't fucking control their feelings? the problem of a teenager crew.
You think a 1400 guy should act like a 15 one?
Because it is easy to argue that a Pathfinder is more important than a handful of scouts. Look at what Ryder does throughout the game, then imagine if the other 3 can all do similar things, being symbols and beacons for initiative and all it's people... So it depends if you are just flat comparing 1 life against 10 (which is also untrue because you save a handful of Salarians along with their Pathfinder), or are you comparing a few scouts to one of only 4 Pathfinders and their immense role in the initiative?
yeah, but he wasn't even supposed to be pathfinder. that was his father and nobody was expecting he'd get replaced. Hell, most people didn't even think Scott/Sara was qualifed for the job.
It's just a title, the individual is what counts. Sarissa was a shitty pathfinder. Stubborn fool and a coward. Her rookie successor meanwhile did EVERYTHING in her power to help out. Seems like nobody thought this one was terrible, but oh well. Would rather get help from the Krogan later.
Syanna why can't they just split up?
Well your forgot the captured salarians in your equations.
i choose krogan because of the exaltation thing dont want to face any more of those exalted krogans or for them to be able to perfect it
I chose salarians. The pathfinder is the greater good. He and his scouts messed up earlier that put his scouts there. The initiative is what Ryder reps. Not the Krogen who left the intiative hanging and bailed. And above all citizens come before solders. Drack should've understood that. He just wanted to relieve his guilt at the expense of civilians and a pathfinder. Not happening here.
Urgghhh...I actually sided with Drack on this one. True, he wasn't very nice about it and could've shown remorse and gratitude, but really, what would you expect him to say? "I'm sorry, of course we should've went back for the Salarians"? The situation left time for only one group of aliens to be saved, and Drack acknowledged that it was a hard decision, but those were HIS people who were going to be exalted. People from his clan, people he trained - moreover, these are YOUNG Krogan. To repeat what someone said earlier: you can make more Salarians, but Krogan? Well...*side-eyes Salarians*...that's on your ancestors, bruh. Your ancestors made the Krogan more important to save, so...woop.
chose to save the krogan instead of salarians, because the kett and exalted salarians are definitely easier to fight than exalted krogan
TheGodofplastic yeah I saved the Krogan after fighting the behemoth, fuck seeing more of those close to invincible fucks running about
yeah me too, i mean like how the hell are you a pathfinder if you can't shoot your way out of a pretty much new batavian ship.
I like drack but wrex its always gonna be my favorite krogan of mass effect
sharkbunny krogan
Wrexs then grunt then drack
Now a replaying it it would be pretty dope that the devs put an option that Made your other to companions go safe the krogans while you safe raeka but if you choose that option, one of your companion dies in the process that would have given more pressure to the player it could have been awesome
I was also torn by this decision my first playthrough. But I decided to save the Krogan because it's usually best not to antagonize and piss them off. Of course the one exalted Krogan you have to fight is damn hard to kill! I'm on my 2nd playthrough now, so I want to see what happens if you save Raeka and see how that affects the ending.
When I start 3rd and final playthrough, that's going to be the one i'll import when Andromeda 2 comes out.
I chose the Pathfinder Bcz at the end of the game,u are going to need him later and plus he saves ur life right after u save theirs and the scouts don't they almost get u killed pretty much
I’d like to think that the Salarian pathfinder died like noble six did in halo reach since I chose the scouts. It would be a fitting end for a pathfinder in combat. She can slaughter as many Kett as she can, cripple their army, decimate their morale. Bring as many enemies to the grave as possible but remember that this is a battle she cannot win.
All the pathfinders are gone, we need someone who actually has the training, experience, and not to mention raeka seems like she can be very diplomatic if need be
In the grand scheme of things it just made sense to save raeka, I love Drack but it’s a handful of scouts compared to a pathfinder
I actually had to put the whole game down for a solid hour before I could make a decision because I loved raeka's character, but didn't want a fireteam member angry at me
For me I played this mission after getting Dracks loyalty mission and learning in game about the genophage and fighting the exalted krogen I really didn't want to fight more of them
*Sigh*..... Things like this are so frikin stupid to me. Id understand if i was on my own. That would make the pick one lose other understandable. But were a group. A group that can split and accomplish both. I hate coming across choices like these in games. When theres an obvious 3rd option as well. But just not acknowledged. *Sigh*.....
Don't forgot the one at the end of peebees loyalty mission. I'm a full biotic with pull, and I can't pull that asari girl over to me while peebee gets the remnant sphere? The reaction prompt the game gives me is to murder her instead...
@@Camelotsmoon yeah... The writing in ansromeda is... Well its not a good rpg. Especially compered to original trilogy
At First playing this I had a pretty good understanding after batlling an Exalted Krogan if the ketts had an army of these would be very diffcult battling them over and over I would saved the krogans scouts but still the salarians deserved to be saved as well really sucks.
you would think that saving pathfinder is an obvious choice, but think about it - pathfinder can be replaced by the captain, while scouts provide additional firepower.
That being said, it didn't seem as if there was a lot of said firepower rescued