Volkswagen, Help! My ID. 4 Has Bricked On Me Multiple Times & We Don’t Know Why
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- Lisa is a great friend of the channel and we’ve covered her ID. 4 journey since the beginning. Today we discuss some of the major issues she’s having with her specific car.
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As a VW ID.4 owner, I was told that there are a lot of "ghost" fault codes, that even the local dealership couldn't fix. When I got the error: auto hold, they traced it down to a faulty door module and had to replace mine. I have my car back now and also just over 20k miles and it has been driving for a week. We shall see what happens. I know when I got the error: auto hold, I also lost all of the safety systems. Luckily I have hook up.... But once they replaced the door module, it has been ok. Hopefully everything gets cleared for you.
How could there not have been any software updates in two years? At the very least there should have been bug fixes. When you have catastrophic failures like this there should have been fault codes that pointed to the problem, the lack of useful codes says that the software is incomplete. There is no excuse for not fixing the basic functionality by now.
Most Legacy auto manufacturers were very late to the EV market. Because of Dieselgate type scandals they were forced, by Legislators to make long range EV's, decades before they planned to. Computerised EV's need Data Centers, Worldwide & 24-7 Wireless data connections. It's going to take Legacy manufacturers years to build the infrastructure needed, to support their EV's. Tesla started with the advantage of having all this infrastructure...
They have been trying to create updates, but the deployment procedures are tricky and apparently sometimes lead to bricked modules.
But the underlying problem is that VW initially allowed module manufacturers to write their own software, and it didn't always play well with other modules. VW is trying to bring it all in house, but that takes time.
@@JackRussell021 There's a difference between doing Tesla level updates which add functionality and change the way the vehicle performs and doing the kind of simple updates that legacy companies have always done. When I got a Volt in 2016 there were several software updates over the course of the first year which addressed braking issues and I assume some other things. Obviously those updates were applied by dealers, they weren't OTA, and they didn't add anything to the car, they just fixed things that weren't working correctly but Chevy managed to get those bug fixes out the door in a timely manner. VW should have been able to do at least that much.
@@joshuarosen465 some of the fixes were apparently architectural flaws and not just simple bugs. Those are much harder to correct in that the fix involves multiple modules.
@@JackRussell021 it may be that they are doing an entire redesign/rewrite. Bad look for VW here.
"Sorry, we can't replicate the problem" A Dealers favorite excuse for anything!
Right. With modern cars there should be a way for the dealer to look up logs in the cars computer system to figure out what was going on. The car may well have that capability, however the dealer procedures have not kept up with technology.
Not it’s not… sometimes we genuinely cannot re duplicate a problem. And sometimes it always is like that you have a problem, take it to the dealer and it magically goes away. Think what you want ..
@@curlytoezz But that's the point. You shouldn't have to replicate the problem to determine what happened. Modern cars have detailed codes and logs to help diagnose what happened when.
An intermittent error code doesn't mean that the tech can find the root cause of the problem. Screen shots are not a troubleshooting method.
The error might be an overheating control module sending an intermittent false voltage.
@@davidhelfrich7150 Screen shots describe the symptoms in an unambiguous way and should be welcomed by the techs.
Glad you can advocate for people in situations like this! I had similar with 2020 Taycan Turbo S. Keep it up!
You fine folks are part of the reason I have an order in for an id4. I appreciate you level headed approach having a problem.
Worth checking out the 12v battery system. That’s my bet. Keep a 10mm wrench in your car to disconnect the 12v battery, wait a minute, then reconnect and it’ll reboot everything.
It honestly sounds like a battery issue to me as well. Once my car reaches 30,000 miles I am going to have the battery replaced regardless of what they say. My experience in Nevada , is that batteries typically last 2-3 years tops! I drive about 15,000 a year. When the battery goes everything else goes with it or starts to act weird
Yes, the old Windows fix. when it crashes just press Alt-cntrl-delete.
This is an ideal way as we do with other electronic devices. They worked. But again, VW should have an expert in computer tech to solve it. There is a way.
Please do a follow up, for us to see what the solution was. I’m a huge fan of your channel, and plan to buy an IDfor. Fell in love with a first edition ID 4 with 9000 km, but I am nervous to buy something that is more than one year old, especially a car with so many electronic components. Good luck Lisa, we are all here to support you as best as we can, And hopefully we can all learn something
I have an ID3 and this has happened a couple of times and I have >3.0, haven’t checked for the exact software version number recently. For me the fix is to lock the car and walk far away and leave for 10mins. Apparently the car stays in standby if the key is close by and doesn’t reset. I found this fix on a owners club site when I was stuck somewhere and VW breakdown wouldn’t answer my call. Not sure if this fixes this issue, but people should be aware and try if they get stuck somewhere with similar errors. Good luck!
As to the last issue you describe in the video I had that exact experience. Took it to my dealer and they found that it was the automatic parking break on the rear wheel that engages by a mechanical system to the drum break in the rear. One side (passenger) broke and gave the error on the dash that you saw. They replaced it and it's been perfect ever since. It's the same system that some of their other cars use but doesn't happen in the ID4 very often so gets missed diagnosed.
I recall an ID4 owner in UK had a similar issue, turned out it was a problem in the 12V system that was causing the main battery system to act like a failure occurred. The 12V lead acid system is still present with the Li ion batteries.
That looks like a combination of few things [armchair expert]:
1. If the SoC of the 12v battery is LOW it can spew errors like this because it couldnt start the system decently. if this happens every single time then the problem is bigger. Just check 12v SoC/SoH with obd.
2. Christmas lights like that has a more severe issue under it. mostly related to the gateway module whereby all information comes together and gets send to other modules.
3. Error related to speed could be also the gateway, but could be the "engine" or even ICAS1/main computer acting up.
The thing is.. errors like this is mostly related to #1. Car doesnt get the chance to "start up" if 12V soh/Soc is bad/low. After closing the car and resting the system for 15 mins will most of the time fix the issue because the system is doing a full reboot if you restart it again internally. IF it doesnt fix it then #2 and #3 is more likely to happen.
4. last thing could be a going to fail gear knob, but not failed yet. harder to replicate till its really dead [not switching to gears]
GL with the search, easist way is to dump it at a VW dealer when it acts and record everything. eventually they need to act.
Hey ID. Furkan, I think you are spot on the 12V battery SOC, just shared my previous experience. BTW thank you for keeping the list of SW version for each module among different SW releases.
I agree with ID.Furkan I have worked as a tech for a GM dealership for 22 years and Honda for 8 years prior to that. A lot of strange electrical faults do lead to a weak or failing 12 volt battery. Cars today have so many computers on board along with endless sensors, radio, HVAC etc putting an enormous load on a 12 volt battery. Now I assume VW checked that I hope at least, but sometimes we need to contact the manufacturer and different engineers to trace the fault. At this point I would hope VW offers the customer a replacement vehicle or a dealer installed software update at the least.
Werre not lucky enough to have version 3.X in North America. Version 2.,X suuuuucks.
Good on you Kyle for platforming Lisa and her situation. People like Lisa are the next generation of customers that will make or break the EV wave and it’s very important manufacturers improve the EV experience and look into issues like these.
We've had our 2021 Pro S for about 9 months now. Couple of warnings popped up once. One nerve racking one about the "Electrical System not functioning properly - Service vehicle." which was the battery coolant system that resolved with a single trip to the dealer and the install of a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB). Many more errors came up in the day until we got the car over to the dealer so it looks like all the sensors are connected; a problem with one affects them all. Been flawless for many months now and thousands of miles. This is the 7th VW I've had and I'd buy another. Great update Kyle. Keep us updated with this situation.
VW really needs to step up it's warning wording game.
A lot of EVs have software issues like this - I got so fed up with my Polestar 2 I returned it. The forums were filled with tons of people complaining about the same issues - TCAM, Voice Assistant, rusty/creaking brakes, charging issues, etc.
Tesla may suck at build quality, interior design and customer support but they've REALLY got the software side down. Credit where credit is due.
Thankfully my EQS has been flawless so far 🤞. I wish they'd send out some new features via OTA but everything that's supposed to work, works up until now.
OEMs are happy to copy Tesla where they think they won't canibalize their own customers; taking knobs/dials away, touchscreens, il-prepared tech. Why do a good job when, unlike Tesla, your corporate mission statement remains focused on profit, not high input-cost EVs? From Ford's CFO, to Oliver Blume's e-fuel blather, you have to wonder how much hope is still held for EV failure? LOL, this weekend was the Wall Street Jounral's latest assist, saying "few people want one".
Yep, people felt confident that VW would fix their issues. Even Polestar is barely addressing the TCAM issues.
I'm in IL and was able to get my AWD Pro S updated to new 3.1 software. I called as soon as they opened the appts. Took 2-3 days total. Went very smooth. So far, no issues since the update.
As a professional armchair mechanic that has watched many TH-cam videos on the subject, usually when you get that many errors at once it's one of three problems.
1. A bad ground causing multiple computers to lose power.
2. A bad power feed causing the same issue.
3. Something taking down the CAN bus. This could be a computer that is going bad, or it could be something as simple as a wire with its insulation rubbed through shorting to ground.
Good thoughts. I have also heard of cheap OBD adapters and/or a misbehaving mobile app sending bogus CAN messages that cause faults.
I too am an armchair mechanic. Put a new 12V battery in it.That will fix the problem. The built in battery charger is masking the problem. Good luck!
@@MrIbernieThe early vehicles had a problem with keeping 12V happy when it wasn't driven for a couple of days. I don't understand why after going to the dealer she still has such old @ss software.
VW have been famous for electrical problems since the '60s. They apparently enjoy the notoriety, since here they go again.
So you are sure it is not an error in the cars basic S/W. You must believe in the Easter Bunny.
As mentioned the US id.4s have NEVER received an update of their software. It must be truly magic software to have been perfect from Day 1.
Sorry to hear about your troubles... From my past experience the car is very sensitive to the state of 12V battery (the one in the front "VW-Style-frunk"). I accidentally left my OBD dongle connected over-night and that discharged the 12V battery to a critical level and I had a very similar experience next morning - but was able to drive (without Assistance systems and with the yellow triangle on the dash). With car diagnostics I saw "under-voltage" or "voltage too low" messages (both pertaining the 12V battery, NOT the HV battery) across many modules. The car has a DC/DC converter (module A19) that should automatically keep the 12V battery charged from the HV battery. The 2.3 cars have a newer version of the component compared to 2.1 FE. There has been number of reports on FE cars from Europe that looked very similar to what you are Lisa experiencing... (Kyle - Chris over at Battery Life had these issues with his ID.3). I'd assume the "12V under-voltage " would be the first thing the dealer checked for... I'd just get a good AGM 12V battery and try again... Good luck, hope you are able to have it fixed soon!
My 2021 ID.4 Pro S got bricked last month. Formal diagnosis after nearly a month was faulty 12v. Car could not even be opened with the fob or the manual key. And this happened on a hot day in FL.
Those two yellow triangles appeared on my id 4 yesterday. The car is still drivable. I took delivery of the car 8 months ago with 5K miles on it. I hope it's as simple as a bad 12v battery.
Ahhh shoot, I was considering getting a '23 id4 made here in the USA. Maybe I should hold off till all the glitches are worked out.
A lot of people are having similar things happen, but I agree, not as aggressively. I've gotten a few warnings about "the electrical system not working properly" myself that have cleared out after a couple hours. Sucks that it's hard to tell if it's just dumb glitches or serious issues.
The people in the ID4 owners group on Facebook are also having a lot of problems with the 3.1 software, which makes me nervous about upgrading if we're able to because functionally, mine has been fantastic. Best of luck Lisa!
Kyle sorry to hear about your Mother In-law's problems. My parents advice when I was young and looking at new cars was "never buy the first year of any car" "give it a year or two for the company to find out all the bugs" I think from that advice there are some early Model 3 & very early Model S owners who missed the memo. Best of luck with the ID4.
Well seeing as none of the 21/22 German-built ID.4s in the United States have yet to receive a single software update are we surprised? The price for being an early adopter with VW I guess! Maybe public shaming will provide the necessary motivation...
As a 2021 ID.4 AWD Pro S owner (delivered late October 2021) I can't say I've seen these exact issues on my car but for sure I've seen various phantom alerts, etc. Generally when this happens I walk away from the car for 5-10 mins and come back and they usually are gone. The rumor mill is that there are certain states the car gets into where the CAN bus gets flooded with signals and it takes some time for the bus to drain/stabilize. Not a solution to be sure but I don't think this is necessarily a hardware problem.
Also - sometimes you just need to reboot the infotainment. I routinely need to do this with Android Auto pairing. Just hold down the power button until the infotainment screen goes blank and then it will restart. Don't worry about doing this while the car is moving, etc. as the infotainment is separate from the car's drive system (which includes the driver display).
What version you are on? I’m just about to receive the 3.0 next week. Mine is a German build ID3 1st Max
@@testi2025 2.1. Here in America none of the 21/22 German-built ID.4s have received software updates. Hopefully this will get resolved shortly when the Chattanooga builds start rolling-out (presumably with North American software tweaks).
Well that’s a shame, hope you get to 3.0 before winter, it should save on battery consumption. I’ve also received that red “information missing” alert few times when temperatures have drop from zero to -20c over night. It stays on for 15 minutes and I can see that the car does some background booting up, since the head lights does the startup dip while driving.
Ive had one update done at the dealership. It solved some of the earlier problems we were having.
@@michaeldbouck No software updates, but the (at least recent) 2022 Model Year ID 4s shipped to the US were delivered with Version 3.1.
Kate my daughter I'm Gil Wall We have ID.4 AWD PRO S. Our ID.4 has been in the VW Dealer shop in Tucson, AZ. Yes, we saw diagnostic list of failures different sounds in winey waves, erratic driving controls. had the car towed in, still with loaner so, something, maybe up. I say it's a stressed-out controller and its design.
Thank you for this video. We've had an ID4 for over a year and have yet to receive a single software update. Fortunately, we haven't experienced these issues.
Thanks for your video, I always enjoy seeing them. I own a 2021 ID4 AWD Pro S and have also experienced issues. I took delivery on January 26th and about three weeks later I received the infamous “electrical system not working correctly. Please service vehicle” error message others have complained about. The error message went away a couple of hours later and I received it again in May. I took the car to the dealership and was told everything was normal and there were no issues with the vehicle. Of course, by the time I got into the dealership the message was gone and the technician could not replicate it. In June I received the message again, and this time I drove directly to the dealer with the message still on the screen. They kept the vehicle and two days later I was told the vehicle was unsafe to drive and that they needed to replace an electrical module which supposedly was causing the problem. However, this module is mounted on the front drive motor and therefore the entire motor has to be replaced. The parts are not available and the car is still sitting at the dealership waiting to receive the parts. It has been there for three months already, with no idea when the parts will arrive or even if this will actually solve the issue. Needless to say, I’m extremely upset at VW’s response and I’m considering legal action. By the way, the car has only 4400 miles! It looks like Lisa may want to think about taking legal action for her issues as well. The Magnuson-Moss Act is a federal statute which may be helpful. Other people have had similar problems and it seems that this may be the only way VW will take these issues seriously. I love my car and still want to keep it. I just want VW to stand by their product and do the right thing by their customers.
same issue with our 21 Pro S. No help from VW. They cant replicate issue and want us to pick up car. the car has bricked twice stranding us. Reports on this problem are all over the internet. IMpression is the dealers dont know what to do and VWOA wont address. did this woman get anywhere with VW? I hope so. How did you resolve?
This seems very similar to what happened to my ID.4 Pro S in December of 2021 after having it for less than a month. The inverter failed. There were dozens of error codes and would only go into Neutral. I called VW Road Assistance and they arranged for a tow to my dealer. We had to push the ID.4 out of the garage to get it onto the flat bed. The repair was simple but the part took weeks to get.
I've been waiting for a software update for 17 months. I was the first owner in the south half of my state. I've answered endless questions from multitudes of people referring some of them to the buying process.
I had the 'First Edition' in my area, too. I just threw in the towel and sold it. Great build on the car, software problems while waiting for the update 'soon' made it untrustworthy.
As others have mentioned, sounds like multiple modules not able to communicate properly. Other than what people mentioned about a bad power or ground somewhere or shorted CAN bus, also likely that part of the car is just staying asleep. Would want to get the software updated. Many issues with power-moding are common. As an easy temporary fix, briefly disconnecting the 12V battery to cause everything to reset will usually fix these types of issues when they are sporadic like this.
This is the exact issues i had over 15k with a 21 id4 pro s. From day one there were issues that the dealership was clueless about. The car-net took two visits to fix and they had to factory reset the vehicle. The brakes were loud and squeaked all the time. The random faults and the car going into park and stopping was the worst. After the last service visit where they couldn't fix the brakes or diagnose the errors they stopped responding to inquiries about the problems they were researching I dumped it moved on. The great thing is the value was great because of the shortage of vehicles.
Ditto for me in Salida CO. My "roll sensor" is also flagged. I had a really bad rain event also. The backup, yes. I walked away from the car then came back and it was normal again.
My May 2021 purchase of the new '21 id4 1st Ed has started doing the same thing. The display monitor over steering column gets so hot I can't touch it and same warnings are coming up - 3 times already in the past week. At 14k miles it's time for a service visit to sort this out again. I had a lot of similar issues first 4 months of ownership and almost sold it. Maybe the time has come to do so now.
Definitely have her look into lemon law in her state. I know CA has one of the strictest but worth looking into.
“Generally, California Lemon Law imposes a four-year deadline to file a lemon claim. The four-year limit typically starts from when the consumer experienced warrantable problems with his/her vehicle.Feb 24, 2022”
Best of luck.
My wife loves her 2021 ID.4 PRO. (I have a 2021 Model 3 SR+.) We have taken the VW on 1,500+ mile road trips, and many jaunts to the Bay Area, as well as her daily driver. No issues after some 15,000 miles.
I do hope she gets her issues resolved one way or another. It’s frustrating to have a car on the fritz, especially a new car. It can understandably make one feel insecure each time you get in the car.
In my 50+ years of driving, I’ve had several instances where mechanics were befuddled by the issue my car presented to them. They’d try this and that to resolve the issue (and these were excellent mechanics, btw). So an issue that confounds is not limited to EVs.
Best of luck and keep us appraised how it all goes.
You are not alone. Those two triangle warning lights came on in my id 4 after 8 months of ownership and 5000 miles two days ago. Dealer was closed yesterday for the New Year. Reaching out to the dealer today.
Had somewhat similar experience in my eqs 580 , Mercedes’ did see it on computer, but have no idea what caused it ,,almost got stuck in Boston over Labor Day for 2days ,, after last chance of getting out locking it returned 5 minutes later and it started
Hope this video helps to solve the issue. “Electronic/software” issues are always hard things to resolve. I had issues on two ICE vehicles when “computers” were being introduced in vehicles (1970/1980) vintages. Auto dealers did not know how to diagnosis problems either and would not guarantee that replacing the “computer” would fix the problem. So, her issue, sadly, is not a new story. Good luck.
Kyle. At 6,900 VW Replaced my Front Motor in My AWD PRO S W Gradient AWD. And also replaced all 4 tires also prematurely wear. And we are at 11,500 miles now. No lights error lights since 6,900 miles.
You had mentioned that Lisa was having some issues with her VW a few months ago, and I was wondering if they had been cleared up. Apparently not. I hope she gets the issues sorted out, especially since she needs a dependable car for work.
30 minute rule. Wait 30 minutes and the errors usually clear.
I've had the binnacle replaced because I couldn't get out of park.
The binnacle and infotainment screen getting very hot is "normal".
I have a First Edition, sftw ver 2.1, as all 2021s do, and waiting for ver 3.x, coming soon 😖.
What a disappointment VWoA has been concerning the NA ID.4 sftw.
Try to remember that the ID.4 is mostly a computer on wheels and that all 2021s in NA are beta testing that sftw.
Wife has '22 ID4. Took delivery last week of July '22. Quirky issues including the car would TURN OFF when at a long Traffic Light. Then I grabbed her keys and went for a spin. The cars power windows would not roll down (?) Then I looked at my/her fob. Her fob and a metal Carabiner for attaching it to her purse/attache' etc., mine did not. Could it be that the Carabiner "Shielded" fob from the car? The Carabiner was very closely matched to the shape of the ID4 fob. We took the carabiner away and have now driven "uninterrupted" for a week now. Unfortunately our symtoms did not align with Lisa's but I wanted share our experience with "Out of Spec" (Kyle - how do I post a photo of the Carabiner?)
I read on Reddit about someone else with almost identical issues with complaints about Auto Hold and a slew of other errors. He is also waiting for VW to figure it out. Seems like the ID.4's have an issue.
My first reaction is that it needs a new 12v battery. A weak 12v can cause weird and wonderful issues.
I've had some issues where some systems go down then disappear after I get out of the car and step away. I really hate that we haven't received a software update yet.
Were the country roads washboardy? I have had this happen once on a dirt road, no speedo even. The parking lot brake thing happened once and exiting, locking and then unlocking got it all working again. These are like pretty frustrating when they happen.
Will be curious to see if there is a follow up with the details on what the root cause issue was. As you say, it could be isolated to a single sensor or sensors.
I think this is the new reality with tech heavy cars (whether EV or ICE).
Heard these same issues in the ID.4 Facebook post I think that person was doing the samething in taking to the dealership. Also a lady had her home charger stuck to the car. The emergency release wouldn't let it go either. I believe all ev's will have problems it's not exclusive to one model or brand. It's pack your patients time with new technology that's all.
Yup I agree with power problem.
Replace your 12vdc battery. As an Electronic technician typical problem with low power problem.
I know battery should not have to be replaced but do it and it will clear up the problem.
I had a similar problem with my 2017 Bolt. All sorts of warning and error messages, couldn't drive the car. This happened several times, then it would work fine for a bit. I replaced the 12v battery, and all was fine.
This is really the first thing any EV owner should do - change the 12v battery. It seems too simple, but it's very true that a low or not-so-great 12v battery can cause many electronic 'issues' that really aren't issues at all, but they just can't function properly without the FULL 12v battery power. Many of us may even decide to carry a new 12v battery WITH us, as a backup, or at least a 12v Battery Charger, if not. Even using jumper cables from another car's 12v battery may solve the issue, temporarily.
Yes, it 'could' be a more serious issue, but the simple 12v battery seems to be the easy culprit in many situations.
This seems similar to an issue that I had with my first BMW i3, the electronic parking pin started intermittently failing and not allowing the car to be taken out of park, or sometimes would not allow the car to be placed in park. seems like similar behavior in terms of "do not park on hills, cannot be placed into park" error.
Can you please clarify info about ID4 OTA for 2021 cars? VW stated to me that they don't have an idea when they will be releasing the updates. They were also very hush hush about needing to change the 12v. Have the update process started anywhere in the US yet? thx in advance.
It looks like the electronic parking brake is probably at least the focus of one of the issues… she’s probably on sw 2.1 like my ID4 pro s AWD
wow is it still having these issues, was gonna pull trigger on trading e golf for id4s tommrw.. glad I seen this video
I’m new to ev but when all those error lights go on it’s mostly because the alternator is bad (in ice) or the battery doesn’t have enough power anymore or the ecu can be on its way out
Thanks for sharing this example, which is not typical of all id4s. First generation models do/did have software issues but these were eventually fixed. What is worrying here, is the lack of a systemmatic diagnosis aided by appropriate Dealer use software for the id4.
Re next steps, surely these problems are vehicle warranty covered after just one year? Use the warranty and if its not delivering a reliable car, argue fir a replacement vehicle. Let us know what transpires. Thanks.
Makes Tesla look better and better every day
DID you get the part about US id.4 having never been updated. THEY ARE ALL FIRST GEN and VW has done nothing to update them. All of us that own them are concerned about the software.
I have a first edition also experiencing error codes that occur and disappear. They never show up in the dealer review and now the air quite blowing cold while we were in Texas with our newborn. We have also had issues with slow charging speeds but that could be EA
I hope VW sorts this situation for the owner - kudos to out of spec to put this out!!!
Now it makes sense why there have been not updates for 2021 models. Of the two programmers who work for VW, one is working OT coding for the 2023 Chattanooga models, and the other one is still trying to get his own ID.4 to run.
12v battery issue or ground wire issue..... would be a good place to start looking..
You would think first edition would get first dibs on software updates. I hope things works out.
Omg I bought an Id 4 too and I just experienced the scariest thing! I was stopped at a red light and my car suddenly kept rolling even though my foot was firmly on the brakes. I called the dealer but this was so scary 😢
When my Audi A6 has an over air update to install, I get similar massages, park assist, matrix lights, presence etc not working, see manual.
This disappears within 20 mins or so when the software has updated.
VW really needs to get on the ball with software updates. My 2022 is way more stable. I feel bad for 2021 owners that VW of America is leaving out in the cold right now.
Since these have had low mileage issues with the front suspension arms, this could be a speed sensor issue? And this is making the brake related CAN-modules to freak out.
Lisa is NOT out of lemon law coverage. NCDOJ website says lemon law rights apply for the entirety of the vehicle’s warranty.
The term "bricked" is obviously is the wrong term to use in this case. Something that is "bricked" is basically non functional and dead, and therefore becomes something dead like an actual brick. There is nothing that can "brick" itself multiple times. Bricking something means it is permanently dead, and can't be restored.
That is beside the fact that an electric car can never be "bricked" as that term normally applies to a cell phone, game console or an electronic device. Electric cars are pretty much always repairable with parts, so an EV is really never "bricked" for that reason.
Watched this video twice. I also love my 2021 Pro S ID.4. However at times it can be unpredictably quirky. I had a brick type situation this evening. The car was in my driveway at home sitting there for over day and half. Had to run a typical run out to the store errand and the car surprisingly had many error msgs, but all seemed related to a low 12 volt battery error which I assumed caused all the other issues.. I called VW emergency road side assistance (which was suggested in some of the msgs). With this 12 volt battery error I could not put the car in Drive, N, or Reverse. One of the error msgs said that you may need to drive the car to charge the 12 Volt battery while other msgs said stop driving the car call VW for service. VW emergency assistance said they would send me a tow and take the car to the dealer for me. The tow company then called me in route and said if I can not get the car in N they couldn't tow the car so they canceled the call. VW Emergency assistance informed me that the tow company was changed. Most of the roadside assistance was handled via txt msg which at times seemed frustrating and when I got an operator it seem like if my answers to scripted questions did not match the pick list offered, there was really no good options to describe my issue. The second tow truck arrived and he also had a tow truck that if I could get my car in Neutral he couldn't tow the car. He was very resourceful and tried several things including getting into the car using a hidden key in my remote and then hooked up a booster battery device to my car and then it started to function normally. I then was able to drive the car to the dealership. I also a few months ago received the long awaited software upgrade, but that took about a month at the dealership to finally install it. They sort of warned me that they have experienced problems that require hard to get replacement computer parts. Sort of funny but they supplied me with a gasoline loaner car.
Shopping for used EVs and now I see why 2021 models are so reasonably priced. I love a deal but this scares me!
My car had the exact same error displayed at 4:50. Other errors include black screen and the obvious driver door unlock problem. Dealer was consulted and they said they spoke with VW tech support and said they had never seen the error before. I am frustrated with both the dealer and VW of A that refuses to address some of these problems. When I posted in the forums they all seem to think I am just too hard on VW. When will the automobile press pick up on the problems that the US market is having with this car and press VW of A to address the issues!!!!!
we have an early RWD ID.4 (delivery June 2021) with 16k mi and no problems, but also not a single software update. And the software on the car is atrotiously bad, comically slow and crashy. Just gotta hope I'm not going to see these type of problems....
@kyle This looks like a typical shorted CAN wire - the cluster is actually complaining about "No communication with X, Y, Z, ...". Can be either water ingress in a plug or maybe an improperly connected plug. Looks like the drivetrain CAN which connects the front radar, parking brake, inverter, ...If any of the plugs on the line is shorting (occasionaly through bumps), all connected ECUs lose CAN packets and hence the complaint of the cluster and hence no stored fault code.
my id.4 acted up while driving through a strong rain storm. many glitches for a month after. CAN? what do I ask a dealer to do?
@@TheExumRidge Dealers are generally not too familiar with CAN details, but you can ask them to run an "ECU enumeration", i.e. they try to connect to all ECUs that the car should have and their software checks which ones (plural!) are not responding. Then, a technician with patience should go through the VW wiring diagram ("ERWIN") and check which CAN connects the ones that din't respond. I hope that helps, wish you good luck!
My guess would be a can bus fault somewhere. With so many errors. But it is a guess, without actually diagnosing it myself which could take hours.
THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING TO ME . i cant go into reverse or drive . i get every warning she had and also get a rear motor warning .
Erratic error codes and symptoms will make you chase the codes down but they are based on proper power.
I hope the car manufacturers change 12 to 24vdc. This will be a two fold benefit, higher voltage will reduce wire gauge to all ex 12vdc system and allow all the reliance of all new technology a better load.
I just wanted to say I love this video and I wish everything works out
That's interesting, this like a our $200,000 machine built in Germany where the error would pop up on the computer screen showing each motor not working which is due to low air pressure or a power spike from the gride causing the error to pop up. We would have to turn off the machine to reset it which took minutes in waiting time. Eventually they did a software update so we could reset the error on the cpu which made it very convenient to get back online quicker.
I love my 2021 ID4 (Pro S AWD), however, in October 2022, approximately eight months after ownership and about 20,000 miles in, I was on the freeway in the fast lane when the car suddenly stopped with little to no warning. There was flash indications stating electrical error, battery malfunction, etc. (right before it stopped) and I was stuck on the freeway with no ability to move for about 20 minutes. Cars were zooming past me (thankfully I didn’t get rear ended). It was terrifying! After some time passed, I attempted to start the vehicle again, and thankfully it started, but it was as if nothing happened which was also terrifying. Fast forward to January 26, 2023, I was on Highway 152/Pacheco Pass, where there’s a little to no shoulder area in case of emergency, and my car did the same thing as October 1, 2022. I was driving along on the highway, and then it suddenly stopped with the same notifications prompting a few seconds before. Again, I was stuck and unable to move praying that nobody would we are and me. Thankfully, my car started again. After about 20 minutes and then I turned around towards my Volkswagen dealership in San Jose, CA. Given that this is happened twice within three months, I am convinced that my car is a lemon, and I’m terrified to drive it. The car is at the shop and they still trying to figure out what’s going on. I’m hoping that corporate will work with me. I hope that no one else ever experiences this! It is the most terrifying thing ever to have your car randomly stop on the freeway with little to no warning and be helpless. Thankfully my children were not in the car with me. I hope your issue was resolved. Mine is still pending.
That meanny faults rely sounds like there something thowing garbage out on the communication buses, or ground/power feed. You may need to get a mobile mechanic out to see whats going on when its failed. See if the dealer has a referral for one they use, I know some reputable independent shops will give a referral if you ask. The mobile guys are the ones the shops call in if they cant figure something out, they will be expensive but worth it for someone that knows how to diag certain brands/models.
Has she tried disconnecting the car battery and reconnecting it. I saw these issues on another channel and doing this fixed it. The theory is that it resets the computer. It could also be a bad regular car battery, have her checked that or just replace it. VW should do this for free!
would there be a fuse you could pull temporarily that would acheivce the same goal? would be easier than having to do this all the time,. this electrical ssytem failure issue is recurring all the time
Kyle: Can you give us an update on what happened with regard to this car? A lot of people, myself incuded are suffering with the same problem and its all over the comments below and the internet in general. Our dealer doesnt know how to fix the "electronic system failure, park now"---in our 21 Pro S. we were fine until about 45K miles so way too late for the lemon law to save us. Now im concerned about driving the car at all because we will get stuck again (its happened twice already) and the 50k warranty will expire if i drive it any further. Can you provide any help or info on this problem? Not getting any help from VWOA. We do love your videos...
It's a common issue with Volkswagen car the reason is the 12V battery and a DC/DC converter dosen't working well. They need a new software on it to fix it and 12V battery need to be brand new not storaged many years before using.
I do NOT think it's a software issue. It looks like the car thinks its in motion, when it is not, so it will not allow you to disable the auto brake. I am guessing a bad speed sensor on one of the wheels. I am speculating this because I paused the video where it is showing the message on the center screen.
I have a 2019 VW tiguan and had an issue with the Bluetooth not being recognize by the car as a licensed item. It keeped ask to enter the license code which is part of a new car readio setup. i knew it was a software glitch and it took three vitis to the dealer because VW america would not allowed the dealer to perform a software update or reinstall unless a factory technician was involved in the process. that is unacceptable when that should be able to update over the air. Can you imagine that happening after the warranty expires!. No good!.🤕
This might sound elementary but have you considered changing the 12 volt battery!
A car should have enough redundancy that it never leaves you stranded and can at least get you home in limp mode.
Important video and sobering. I tend not to accept that what we have here is a problem isolated to a particular vehicle. To my mind what this story speaks to is the inadequacy of the self diagnostics built into the design. The software problems with the ID.4 have been so bad that they got the head of VW fired as noted in an article on BLoomberg, but this looks to go deeper than that. It has to do with diagnostics for hardware components. If you want a highly reliable digital system it requires a lot of self checking features built in at the hardware level. It requires meaningful self diagnostic messaging. Ghostly problems? Startup diagnostics? Run time diagnostics? If VW is so drastically unsophisticated with their software why is it a surprise their design of the hardware for digital systems is also lacking. Strategically to get help for this clearly most reasonable and worthy lady, it is useful to portray the problem as a one-off - REPLACE THIS LEMON. Whereas I agree with the proposed solution under the circumstances, I think the implications are much broader. And frankly, we are entering a new era where road vehicles are increasingly sophisticated digital systems on wheels. And if VW were the only company with this diagnostic vulnerability, it would be hard to believe. Having a helpful, reasonable, local dealer at such times becomes pretty important. Driving a vehicle that acts like this on a public highway seems an unacceptable risk. Government oversight and regulation is understood to be required for the aircraft industry. It may come to that with cars. How do you coordinate the people who design the software to interpret road markings with the people who put out the road markings?
I have glitches on my 1st Edition from time to time, but they do clear. I have an ongoing issue where it tells me that the SOS feature is unavailable. I took it in for that twice…the last visit they reset the unit. I didn’t believe this would solve the issue. It didn’t. I’ve always thought it is an antenna problem, or main unit problem. (I suppose it could be a wire as well.) The other software glitches were acceptable the first few months. Having gone 18 months with no software update from Volkswagen is inexcusable. For this lady’s car, I think starting the lemon process is a wise next step. Also, if she hasn’t gone through Volkswagen’s customer service (opened a case), that should be a top priority. I also do not think the dealer is faultless here. They should have had VW get an area representative involved. If it were me, I wouldn’t even be having direct conversations with the dealer-I’d be going through Volkswagen and having them coordinate everything.
My April 2021 pro S id4 has had “electrical system failures” leaving stranded at stop lights and did all the same issues. My dealer never resolved the issue and I also can never get my Aux Climate control to work.
I have a 1st edition id.4 ... at 17k miles I have had maybe 5-10 electrical malfunction warnings/errors in the last 1.5 years.. where the car wouldn't start or go into drive. If I get out.. lock the door so it's completely off.. give it a minute and get back in it's always reset and no issues. The first time it happened it definitely was a bit worrysome. I really hope they have an ota update soon though.. getting tired of waiting. I only use the EA charging stations maybe once every month or so but it is so inconsistent.. it either doesn't connect, charges at a low rate/50kw or the darn things are broken. Also plug and charge would be so nice.. not to have to rely on an app/phone. I really like the car though and wouldn't hesitate to buy another.
It looks like something wrong with the Resolver (Motor position sensor) that why it was telling you that you are on the incline and all other faults are most likely pointing to this. Since it works again when it cools down; then it most likely the electronics inside the Power Electronic Motor Inverter. This could be the Chip Shortage that forces them to use alternate part, or just an unfortunate to get the defective. Sometime work sometime is not could be just the power supply IC that putting out too much voltage ripple and alters the ADC reference. (This problem cannot be fixing with the software update)
I wonder if this is the 12v system. For some reason most of the EVs have an issue with the 12v system going low and it causing all sorts of issues.
Oh, ouch! I don't recall any software issues like this in my mom's '73 super beetle or in my '01 Jetta TDI.
Those cars weren't so sftw dependent with many control modules.
Lol been trying to get them to fix my recall on my id4. That is impossible to get them to do. They keep on saying we are waiting for the factory to open. Then when it opens they say they are waiting for training to fix it . It is the drive battery recall on my car. Recalls number 22V162000
Earth straps tend to cause intermittent faults and lots of electrical issues. I’ve seen it on engine ribbon earth straps snatching with the torque throwing auto gearboxes into limp home mode, perhaps drive motors have loosened over time?
It ought to be a normal part of service to check the grounding straps. Esp when these types of problems come in.
@@JackRussell021 if it only happens under max load (which could be a few seconds of a 100 mile journey), it will look normal and they’ll never find it in the workshop and might not drive it that hard on test.
Another issue I had with a different car was a sunroof seal lifting thus causing horrific wind noise at speed. As this only occurred above the speed limit, they declined to fix it despite it being annoying in the extreme. I argued that if the car was designed to attain that speed, it should work perfectly but although I had the seals changed once and the alignment adjusted a couple of times, it was a design oversight.
I'm glad I picked the KIA Soul EV over ID.4. The ID.3 issue is most likely to be related to 12V battery.
First, as my 2nd EV, I love my ID.4, but… The day before leaving on my first road trip the Infotainment center screen went black. I could still drive, but planning stops and charging with no feedback was not going to work. After driving, turning off the car and starting it up an hour later, the screen was back and I crossed my fingers for the uneventful trip. Back at the dealer they kept the car overnight thinking a replacement screen might be required. They couldn’t replicate the problem but the VW “fix” was to unplug the screen for 10 minutes, reconnect and “keep your eyes on it”. I didn’t know my VW ran on Windows 7.
Pity it doesn't, all these manufacturer designed software products seem to be loaded with more bugs than you can think of. If they ran on Windows 7 at least Microsoft would be responsible and fix it. My Windows 7 laptop has been totally reliable software wise and I've learnt what to do when it bugs.
I had similar issues on a recent road trip with the ID4. Not as extreme and no bricking.. but frustrating never the less. I took the car to the dealer and they couldn't replicate any of it. They told me the update would correct this but couldn't say when that was coming. I love the car but seriously thinking of going for a buy back and move on to another EV. Can't bring myself to go back to ICE.
"We can't figure out what the problem is but we know the new software update will fix it. But we don't know enough about that update to give you a date."
My dealership hook up just straight up told me not to buy. Wait till everything is clear and free from any faulty functions of the vehicle but right now, no.
Seems to be a mechanical or sensor problem with the parking brake, so it can't engage itself. All the other issues like travel assist etc. need the parking brake, so these messages result from the first issue.
Even Hyundai needs to ramp up on the software end. Especially the phone app. There are small nuances that needs fix on the infotainment system.
And VW needs to make sure their charging stations well.
Have you ever faced these many failures with gasoline pumps? Probably government needs to step in a bit in this?
My friends ID4 FE bricked in the driveway of his home. He had it towed to a dealer and they traced it to a window motor that had to be reprogrammed.
Wow. That's pathetic.
I have Skoda Enyaq (MEB platform) and got exactly the same problem after 31,000 km driven.
When I drove the car at 100 km/h speed I suddenly got a message that I have a broken parking brake. I stopped and called a service. They told me that if the exclamation mark on the dashboard is not red (was orange), you can still drive the car. After a couple hours I went for a charging station. There was a small slope and right after charging when I switched on the car and switched to N driving position car moved back (20 cm). That was enough for the car to completely stopped and refused to drive. Every time I switched to D position, it automatically switched back to N. I called the service and they told me that it is not possible to fix that by myself and I need to evacuate the car to the service.
For the moment, the car is still in service (will be there for 2 weeks). They changed parking brake pump (was broken) and need to change something else (not sure if it is related to this problem).
Hahaha Kyle is everywhere at once! I just spotted him at Fully Charged in San Diego today!
At least, I think it was him... perhaps there are clones. But if they are clones, then I guess they all are him. This is definitely looking like an Orphan Kyle Black scenario.
I would strong disagree this is not a model line issue.
iD4 would throw this exact issue when you park the car is hot sun and you try to drive it.
Happen to me every other week. Also VW service can’t see most of these codes from alert what the two different service departments
Other ID.4 failures are taking forever to fix. Someone posted a front motor failure that has been on the dealer lot waiting to be repaired for months.