The Secrets Lie In The Triad
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2024
- In this episode, Adam and Peter talk all about how to use the triad melodically to unlock some hip sounding language in your soloing.
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I say hi to the piano playing m11 chords. Not sure why. They're comfort food.
When it comes to the first thing you play when you pick up your instrument, it reminds me of the "toccata" genre of the baroque era. It translates to "touch", as in sitting down to touch the instrument, or see how it feels. Not exactly the same thing, because they were written out as complete pieces of music, but I imagine that they evolved from the "first thing you play when you sit down" kind of thing.
Call it, "Dap them Ivorys"😊
What up,keys!
Lets Roll
Not even a 30 minute video but enough stuff to work on to keep me busy for the next 4-5 years 😮
Arpeggios of triads are what you are talking about, are very useful.
Because they have
VARIED INTERVALS!
A 3rd (also a 6th) both major and minor!
A 4 and a 5th!!!
They are inherently MELODIC and Rhythmic!
Also explore BROKEN Arpeggios for even more rhythmic and melodic interest.
also, that E major over C dominant that Peter says "you're not supposed to do" at 22:15 is a great way to go into F major because you can just go up one semitone from the E and it works like a triple apoggiatura (or however you spell that)
GALA: when I sit down at the piano, the first thing I play is the Hannon I’m currently working on, so it changes from month-to-month. On tenor sax I play the concert Ab major triad up and down from the lowest Ab to the fourth Ab.
GALA: This episode is smokin'.
The last one, Btriad over Cbass, for tenor sax is the first chord of Stella By Starlight, the one (Bb° in concert key) Barry Harris kept explaining everytime I saw his seminars. All in all, triads are just a bunch of colours, like each painter has its own palette.
(. . .and it is perhaps to see if I still remember it . . .) When I sit to practice, I always play "Colour My World". In 1970 it was the thing to learn. The Major 7th and all those Great memories, priceless. GALA and Thanks !
Chicago, yes ! Beautiful tune.
GALA - on the sax, a random Cm hexatonic blues blat.
On the piano, the knuckles song.
GALA..I'm going to have to play that at half speed to get all the nuggets out. That was some quick-fire stuff, Peter getting excited..brilliant. thank you.
GALA. 7 stars! Love what you do and have learnt so much from you guys since I’ve started listening and watching.
Any chance of getting a Hammond theme going with some content? I guess more to do with the actual playing of Jazz organ and less about the mechanics of drawbars etc? I know those things are important, but I think highlighting the differences between piano and an infinitely sustaining instrument could be really cool.
Oh that's called dominant 9th? Thanks for helping to put labels to relevant sounds in that part of the video, which helps make them more intentionally repeatable.
So, for the GALA... If there's time for more than just a middle c major, I'll usually play 70s chords. I can't remember which chords get which extensions, but yes, triad or triad plus one, usually. With all major (or dominant) chords, I'll go up from C to Eb, then F, then Ab, and then I can tell what mood I'm in by what happens next. A big part of what makes them 70s chords is playing the right 7ths and suspensions. If you need to cheat, you can imagine if Joni Mitchell had been hired to make a game show theme song in the early-mid 1970s.
After the Ab, if I play either Bb, or G, to end on C, then that indicates a boring but stable mood. Sometimes Ab leads to B, then Bb, then Db, then maybe D7, then G7, then Eb... or even worse, sometimes minor chords get involved, and it could take any path or rhythm. The main commonality is that it usually starts on C major, or occasionally minor. And then, it usually ends up on C or Eb. I play one chord after another quickly, so it's like 5 or 6 seconds in total at most. The whole point is not to take time or think about it.
Another thing I'll play is the baseball organ cue to get people to yell charge... you know... For those from another planet, I'll explain. It's just chord arpeggios. There is a version where you play each arpeggio 2x, and one where you play it 1x. The arpeggio is slightly different for each version, and the tempo and feel are different. The 2x version starts on the high octave, then the low octave, then the 3rd and 5th, then repeat. Then up a step, then up a step. So, for example, C-oct, C, E G twice, then D-oct, D, F#, A twice, then E-oct, E, G#, B twice, then pause a sec, then play the E pattern from the 1x version (described next) played at the 1x version's faster speed, then yell charge.
In the 1x version, the notes are played faster than in the 2x version. The notes are C, E, G, C-oct, G, C-oct, then you pause for a sec, and then transpose the pattern up a whole step, then another pause and then transpose up another whole step... and then everybody yells "charge". That's what we do during sporting events on Earth, and sometimes I'll also play that when walking past a public piano. It's better than knuckles Chopsticks, Jump, Home Sweet Home, Interstellar, Taco Bell's Canon... In general, it's not better than Autumn Leaves or Misty, but rrmember I'm the one playing it, not Peter or Adam, and Charge finishes up a lot more quickly. Even if someone gives you the stink eye when you start playing, they'll recognize the tune, do the math, and leave you alone to finish up... WOO-HOO!!! CHARGE!!!!!!!!
Triad+1 is a really cool concept, thanks guys
Very satisfying to both brain hemispheres
This podcast has some great tension and release moments btw; fittingly jazz
Honourable Mentions:
*Root Position Ronnie
*Bonus Jonas
You guys never fail to turn all the meandering experiments associated with playing at the piano into some believable subset of organized integrity that can be re-tapped into...for future use
Love the pod! I was just wondering, why wouldn't you name your peers? I thought it would be the opposite. Given your big fan base, you could even help them out. not that important tho. keep up the good content!
GALA - Thanks!!
That thing is called the truly integrated stuff, no thought, no physical effort, just happens.
It's like the classic honeymooners golf scene in the apartment- Reading from the golf tutorial: "It says to step up and ADDRESS THE BALL." Same with the piano...Lol
HellOOOOO Ball…!!!
@@geocosmicvalentine yes, that's it !!! 🤣 And at 3:25 "I cannot overemphasize the importance of the SWING." 🎼🎹🎼
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@@geocosmicvalentine it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing. 🎼
“HELP IS ANYONE STILL LISTENING” - Not really, but I am now lol
Gala: adams chromatic warmup, reminds me to breathe!!
Thank you for using key of C. It really, really helps me.
GALA- big fan, love what you are and what you do Adam and Peter
You guys are insane. I love it!
It's like.. well maybe, whatever, anyway GALA I am getting.. you know... value from your videos. but erm, it is sometimes hard to keep up with your, you know, ... rapid fire crosstalk but er that is also the charm of the channel so don't change that. I guess the more I learn and whatever the easier it will become for me to follow what you are talking about. Anyway I always get something new to think about and to try to apply even if I've misunderstood it expands my ideas about making music. Thank you guys.
7:52 this is so beautiful, it's what Miles Davis uses at the beginning of his solo on Mademoiselle Mabry! I never thought about it as being a triad with an extra note. Makes it so easy and useful! Thanks!
I didn’t realize it was a “thing” until I watched this, but most of the time when I sit down at the piano I play a few ascending diminished 7th chords
Aussie here, I call it a
“G’day” with the instrument.
Just like Ed Norton did on the Honeymooners and Ralph did not guess it on the game show. Maybe call it Swanee.
OMG! That’s right. Ed Norton’s Piano Noodle-tini was “Swanee River”. The episode was “The $64,000 Answer”. The funny part is, Norton played it before EVERY SONG he played, not just once when he sat at the piano.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Peter and Adam, I'm a fan, this one is a package packed tight with goodies I want to make my own
I'll always appreciate what you guys *share*, whether simple or complex. Can't thank you two enough for bringing us this wealth of information you've accumulated through the years. You guys are just fantastic. 🙌Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 🙏
LAGA - sorry, Ladies first - For a time it was a quick warmup of Mozarts K545 with either the first ending or the recap ending in the home key. Lately, it's singing a part and playing the other of whatever I"m rehearsing for next.
‘A little Flasharito? 🤣🫡🫨
GALA - I like playing clusters at the beginning of most practice sessions
Awesome. I love it!
literally "foreplay"
Loving this pod
Thanks gents, very helpful
Thx. Triad plus one is really something new I now learned from you guys.
Really great video!
GALA. I play a few measures of ELP’s Tarkus.
i'd say that debussian dominant 9th is one of my "handshakes"
Gala - This was fascinating. I am going to try some of this on guitar
Gala 22.30 excellent viewing , on vacationing on the Canaries islands , from Plymouth uk keep up the great work
GALA adhered to, y'all.
My guitar tells my hands "HEY, WAKE UP!" after a quick 2 octave scale.
Peter never told us what triads he plays over a diminished chord!
i was thinking the same thing
When I was in college, Ron Carter was my improv professor. You know, the tall guy who plays bass. So he would have faculty performances. Informal gathering of a few of his favorite masters. Ron called one of his tunes that he wrote with triads. I forgot which tune at the moment. I’m thinking “Little Waltz” but only has a minor triad. Anyway, counted tune off and piano player played a 7th. Ron stopped the band and told piano player, who will go unnamed, I did not write a 7th don’t play a 7th. That flipped my lid. The guy that never played roots with miles, wanted a triad sound. Jerome Kerns wife once stopped a recording of a harmonized version of All the things you are from being released in the 50’s. That’s not what he heard, not what he wrote, so don’t call a song which you reharmonized All the Things you are. It’s not. It’s a new song. Here is the thing that never gets talked about. A composer creates a gestalt. Melody harmony rhythm and sometimes lyrics whose sum is greater than its parts. The more you alter it, you change the intention, the feeling of the song. If you start playing an Arabic scale over a triad to be cool, you are essentially saying, I don’t care because it’s cool. I’ve heard great jazz musicians harmonize standards to the point they are barely recognizable. At that point, why not just write a new tune. The moment you put a dominant 7th over a major triad you’re talking blues which might change the tone entire musical intention of the song. In a world of infinite possibilities where there are no wrong notes, how does one choose how to solo over triads. This goes beyond harmony it’s an inner feeling thing. A sensibility. A ie me sais pas.
GALA: Piano-Binky; Hello Kiss; Hello Hug; Hand Shake; Piano Pool-Plunge; Piano Toe-Dip; Piano Fist Bump… Soooo many more. Piano Auric-Plug-In; Mind-Meld.
Brother…
what?
@@hunterac45 Different names for the thing you do when you first sit at the piano and play some stuff, melody, chords, a small bit of scales. They asked for names for that action, thus, I have provided some names and ideas for that. Someone suggested “Noodle-tini”. That’s a perfect name for it, too. 😉👍🏽🎹
@@geocosmicvalentine Ohh that makes a lot more sense. Thought you were having a stroke there lol
@@hunterac45 🤣🤣🤣 I could see that being the case without knowing the context.
Thanks!
Hopefully they get into triad pairs
I always thought of it as a "Greeting", "Hello", or if you're from New York, "Howyadoin'".
A jump start; as in, to get the juices flowing? Small talk? An ice breaker?
I tend to play some kind of descending dimished or a couple of long tones. Often, I just start by blowing air through the sax without playing anything. And if I am in the right space, I'll often do that until it almost speaks itself like a whisper. When it's right, I know my session is gonna be satisfactory.
Noodle-Bond. It's a way of connecting to the instrument. Think Avatar. They'd bond to their flying creature and away they go.
The orange chair behind Adam's microphone looks like another microphone
colour looking 👌
I love that y'all are getting more cinematic in your visual presentation adding in some solid editing, a little post, but I gotta admit...those orange mic covers even though on brand feel a bit distracting esp. with the post grade/tonemapping added on top. Great show though!
I run either minor 9th chord inversions or the gospel-y C to Dm chord runs
GALA- Booting (think like starting up your computer)
Subconscious Repertoire
How about calling the first thing a "Glove"?
In a word: Foreplay
Search your feelings, you know it to be true
Also acceptable: handshake, saying hello.
Driving quality / quality driven 🎉🎉🎉
Pretty sure it's called a scootle 👌.
I would call it a startup.
GALA: I don’t have ONE thing i play, but my fingers gravitate towards a B7 -> Em9
Any know what device/setup they use to create that instant loop at the beginning??
i try to do the Kenny Barron minor 9000 chord in 4ths to say hello....
I do the same every morning when I play my guitar😂 it's always a D chord
What does GALA mean here? I can't figure it out!
Gentleman and Ladies Agreement
❤❤
Ignition?
My musical slippers
just checked - it's always Fm7 (guitar)
GIF
Gala
Yurp
You would sound better with less proximity effect. Turn the pianos down and stay a bit back from the mic. Less bass and more freedom of movement.
Salutation
Noodle-tini
C Eb slide to E F F#G A
Its a waggle
Not a secret any more😂
Sleep number
GALA dm/c🎉
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