I bought them on preorder with amazing 299euro price and I cant be happier. I had chance to compare it with VRS and Sprints. Way better than Sprints and on par with VRS and it is even better than VRS on the clutch and the throttle. I think this is all you need for a brake pedal, it is high end for the midrange price.
An excellent review. I recently upgraded to the three pedal set from Fanatec V3’s. They are great. I learned other customizations from your video I wasn’t aware of. The brake is really adjustable, especially with the software and the curves. I was most impressed with the throttle for coming off the gas. Super responsive. Setting the top end for the throttle should be done with little pressure otherwise your right leg can get tired if you use lots of the 100kg loading. I’ll be getting the heal plates and throttle side plate at Christmas. A set that keeps on giving. Really worth it.
@@usleadershipareliars I've had the pedals since Nov 23 and use the original software. I don't know of any software updates, I must check, but overall the physical pedals are amazing and easy to work with and the software does what it needs to do.
@@SIMRIG412 I'm sorry, but your information is incorrect. All Heusinkveld current pedals uses loadcells in throttle, brake and clutch. Sim Pedals Sprint: "Durable load cells measure throttle and clutch position and force applied to the brake" Pedals Ultimate+: "The Sim Pedals Ultimate+ load cell assemblies provide a true linear input measurement of throttle and clutch position and brake force." And Sprint pedals predecessor Sim Pedals Pro's also have loadcells on all three pedals. All this info is available on their website.
Hi Shaun, Great test. I'm hesitating between the VX pro and the P2000. Do you have an opinion? Apart from hydraulics, my choice is definitely the VX pro. I want pedals with spring and not elastomer. Ditto for hydraulics. Thanks for your reply.
Very interesting design, one that can be modded to suit many needs. But the pressure applied to the loadcell doesnt seem very linear to me, any engineers here has a better understanding. And is it compansated in the firmware just by adjusting the mid and end values?
I got question on your rseat, does your pedal plate mounting holes wise is the same as the rs1? Im planning to get the pedals and i wanna know if i can mount it without the base or with Thanks
Awesome review. I am buying if you think it will be compatible with the Thrustmaster T818 Ferrari SF1000? Thanks for the info. Great review as usual !!!!!
Age old question, and most people will swear by one or the other but it won't be a fair comparison because they haven't tried both 😅 But I'm leaning towards VXP myself but need to do more research. SRP GT-R is an option too
In my experience Hall effect sensors have been more reliable than loadcells. Loadcells do in fact move in that they bend under load. The change in resistance of an embedded wire grid determines the output. Repeated strain especially outside the recommended range can and will result in damage to the internal wires of the loadcell. A Hall effect sensor has literally no physical contact in order to produce the output and thus no parts that wear.
what kind of argument is that? Of course if you overload them they will break, that's why you need to use appropriate load cell and not a kitchen scale one. They are also used for a reason, because you can feel how much pressure your applying you can easily just apply more or less pressure to get a linear result ingame, while hall won't give you that unless you have completly linear pedals, if you let of with for example 50% pressure that doesn't mean the hall will read 50% travel and you will get unexpected results. you can tune that out with a gamma curve and measuring the pressure at different point of travel with scale but you also need a 14 or 15bit adc to read the hall overtherwise your input will look very low res with a agressive gamma
@@mr.simulator4724 A very valid argument. For example. Bolting down my fanatec csl elite v2 pedals resulted in a slight compression of the rubber foot on the bottom and a slight bend in the pedal frame resulting in overloading the loadcell. It could only read 100% input until I removed the bolts. The loadcell failed several months later. It relation to the issue of pressure vs travel only being representative in a linear force to displacement curve, as you mentioned yourself it’s easy to bypass this issue by changing the input curve of the pedal in the software. My point remains that Loadcells are an appropriate choice for a brake pedal but are more delicate and less durable than a Hall effect sensor and thus their use in a clutch and throttle pedal is actually suboptimal.
@@alecmillea4539 clearly the loadcells got overloaded. If you dont overload them then they should never break. All the loadcells on the vxpro are 200kg btw if you dont dont figure out how to somhow bolt them down you will never run into any problems. I prefer faster lap times so I will always go with loadcell
@@mr.simulator4724 I used the bolt holes intended for mounting the pedals. You clearly just heard some people say that loadcells are better and will make you faster and just religiously followed the advice without understanding the concepts relevant to that statement. A loadcell is a good choice for a brake pedal and a brake pedal alone. Its use in throttle and clutch pedals offer no advantage whatsoever over a Hall effect sensor and are in fact are a disadvantage due to the increased potential for wear and breakages. A brake pedal is a force based input and thus a force based sensor is a good choice. Clutch and throttle pedals are not force based inputs they are travel based inputs and thus a travel based sensor is a better option.
@@alecmillea4539 I know what your sayng, I know loadcell is not as good with a light linear force and long travel input as with a hard non linear force one like on brake pedal but in my opinion its still superior in this case because the gas pedal is heavier then usual and has a non linear force which gives loadcell advantage and you can press the gas based on force feel. And no im not religious about it because I heard from other people, I use loadcell joystick and pedals in flight sim which is night and day to my previous travel based inputs. Im not sayng all travel based input is worse, there are ofcourse cases where its better to use them because input needs to be constant and slower moving rather then changing and fast. I also dont think there is a wear issue you mention, if you constantly load a metal at less then half its yield point then it basically has infinite cycles, in this case if you cosntatly use lets say 150kg then you can expect around a million cycles but other things will wear out first like the bearings that slide on the surface of the loadcell. The loadcells wearing out is honestly not a concern unless you use them for the next 20 years every single day all day. I would prefer to have an edge over the competition over the possibility of my loadcells to stop working after 20 years
I bought them on preorder with amazing 299euro price and I cant be happier. I had chance to compare it with VRS and Sprints. Way better than Sprints and on par with VRS and it is even better than VRS on the clutch and the throttle. I think this is all you need for a brake pedal, it is high end for the midrange price.
Still think brake pedal is as good as the VRS brake?
An excellent review. I recently upgraded to the three pedal set from Fanatec V3’s. They are great. I learned other customizations from your video I wasn’t aware of. The brake is really adjustable, especially with the software and the curves. I was most impressed with the throttle for coming off the gas. Super responsive. Setting the top end for the throttle should be done with little pressure otherwise your right leg can get tired if you use lots of the 100kg loading. I’ll be getting the heal plates and throttle side plate at Christmas. A set that keeps on giving. Really worth it.
That sucks dude i have the inverted and the dampers the break performace kit a wide break pedal and sticky as well im over them
Is the software user friendly? I'm completely illiterate when it comes to computers.
@@usleadershipareliars It's not very fancy, deadzone and curve options can be set and profiles saved. There are a couple of videos that show how.
@petesimracer thank you for the response and info. is it easy to update?
@@usleadershipareliars I've had the pedals since Nov 23 and use the original software. I don't know of any software updates, I must check, but overall the physical pedals are amazing and easy to work with and the software does what it needs to do.
The heusinkveld sprint pedals use load cell on all pedals, i think the ultimates do also.
Negative!! Both Heusinkveld pedals only use load cells on there brake pedals. Gas and clutch are both springs
@@SIMRIG412
I'm sorry, but your information is incorrect. All Heusinkveld current pedals uses loadcells in throttle, brake and clutch.
Sim Pedals Sprint: "Durable load cells measure throttle and clutch position and force applied to the brake"
Pedals Ultimate+: "The Sim Pedals Ultimate+ load cell assemblies provide a true linear input measurement of throttle and clutch position and brake force."
And Sprint pedals predecessor Sim Pedals Pro's also have loadcells on all three pedals. All this info is available on their website.
@@SIMRIG412 springs have nothing to do with measuring pedal movement by a computer.
Glad to see pedals that are a bit different then all the others.
Hi Shaun,
Great test. I'm hesitating between the VX pro and the P2000. Do you have an opinion?
Apart from hydraulics, my choice is definitely the VX pro. I want pedals with spring and not elastomer. Ditto for hydraulics.
Thanks for your reply.
VRS
@@chubbs6504 P2000 on the way 😅
Very interesting design, one that can be modded to suit many needs. But the pressure applied to the loadcell doesnt seem very linear to me, any engineers here has a better understanding. And is it compansated in the firmware just by adjusting the mid and end values?
About to watch this, I hope this works for GT7 with thrustmaster setup and tm hub
I got question on your rseat, does your pedal plate mounting holes wise is the same as the rs1?
Im planning to get the pedals and i wanna know if i can mount it without the base or with
Thanks
Awesome review. I am buying if you think it will be compatible with the Thrustmaster T818 Ferrari SF1000? Thanks for the info. Great review as usual !!!!!
They connect to PC with usb directly, will work with any steering wheel/base.
You didn't mention how quiet/loud they are. I bet removing those plastic peaces makes some metal on metal sounds.
which are your daily pedals and why if i may ask?
I'm still using these pedals as my mains. They feel great, natural to use, and have good adjustability.
Can this pedals be used with the Simucube Active pedal ?
Yes, they could, but you would need a custom plate for mounting and also separate USB slots of the PC. One for the active pedal and for the simgrade.
Question, what base works with these? my rig cant have separate pedals,
These are stand alone pedals, will be a usb plug into pc
@@BowerP0w3r i meant pedal base sorry, i actually just saw a pedal base option on their website
Vx pro or VRs?
Age old question, and most people will swear by one or the other but it won't be a fair comparison because they haven't tried both 😅 But I'm leaning towards VXP myself but need to do more research. SRP GT-R is an option too
In my experience Hall effect sensors have been more reliable than loadcells. Loadcells do in fact move in that they bend under load. The change in resistance of an embedded wire grid determines the output. Repeated strain especially outside the recommended range can and will result in damage to the internal wires of the loadcell. A Hall effect sensor has literally no physical contact in order to produce the output and thus no parts that wear.
what kind of argument is that? Of course if you overload them they will break, that's why you need to use appropriate load cell and not a kitchen scale one. They are also used for a reason, because you can feel how much pressure your applying you can easily just apply more or less pressure to get a linear result ingame, while hall won't give you that unless you have completly linear pedals, if you let of with for example 50% pressure that doesn't mean the hall will read 50% travel and you will get unexpected results. you can tune that out with a gamma curve and measuring the pressure at different point of travel with scale but you also need a 14 or 15bit adc to read the hall overtherwise your input will look very low res with a agressive gamma
@@mr.simulator4724 A very valid argument. For example. Bolting down my fanatec csl elite v2 pedals resulted in a slight compression of the rubber foot on the bottom and a slight bend in the pedal frame resulting in overloading the loadcell. It could only read 100% input until I removed the bolts. The loadcell failed several months later. It relation to the issue of pressure vs travel only being representative in a linear force to displacement curve, as you mentioned yourself it’s easy to bypass this issue by changing the input curve of the pedal in the software. My point remains that Loadcells are an appropriate choice for a brake pedal but are more delicate and less durable than a Hall effect sensor and thus their use in a clutch and throttle pedal is actually suboptimal.
@@alecmillea4539 clearly the loadcells got overloaded. If you dont overload them then they should never break. All the loadcells on the vxpro are 200kg btw if you dont dont figure out how to somhow bolt them down you will never run into any problems. I prefer faster lap times so I will always go with loadcell
@@mr.simulator4724
I used the bolt holes intended for mounting the pedals. You clearly just heard some people say that loadcells are better and will make you faster and just religiously followed the advice without understanding the concepts relevant to that statement. A loadcell is a good choice for a brake pedal and a brake pedal alone. Its use in throttle and clutch pedals offer no advantage whatsoever over a Hall effect sensor and are in fact are a disadvantage due to the increased potential for wear and breakages. A brake pedal is a force based input and thus a force based sensor is a good choice. Clutch and throttle pedals are not force based inputs they are travel based inputs and thus a travel based sensor is a better option.
@@alecmillea4539 I know what your sayng, I know loadcell is not as good with a light linear force and long travel input as with a hard non linear force one like on brake pedal but in my opinion its still superior in this case because the gas pedal is heavier then usual and has a non linear force which gives loadcell advantage and you can press the gas based on force feel. And no im not religious about it because I heard from other people, I use loadcell joystick and pedals in flight sim which is night and day to my previous travel based inputs. Im not sayng all travel based input is worse, there are ofcourse cases where its better to use them because input needs to be constant and slower moving rather then changing and fast. I also dont think there is a wear issue you mention, if you constantly load a metal at less then half its yield point then it basically has infinite cycles, in this case if you cosntatly use lets say 150kg then you can expect around a million cycles but other things will wear out first like the bearings that slide on the surface of the loadcell. The loadcells wearing out is honestly not a concern unless you use them for the next 20 years every single day all day. I would prefer to have an edge over the competition over the possibility of my loadcells to stop working after 20 years