I had one only yesterday=- telling me I had won a prize :( I obviously did not fall for it ) Nice to see Andertons have addressed this issue :) I love the Pink Tacho- when can I expect delivery lol
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Can I ask Pete, or any of the presenters, if they changed from their usual amp to one they demo’d or reviewed as they liked the amp better than their original amp
"That's the best trick a pony can do!" Yes indeed. Guitar amps give us such a range of sounds and colors and textures, and we all appreciate them all. But that snarl...that roar....still gets me *right here* after hearing it for nearly 50 years.
I want Pete to keep exploring his metal playing until it reaches a point in the near future where I can tune into the Anderton’s channel and see him wearing all black and ripping Inferi riffs in C standard
If you crank the marshall past 3-4, you wont get more volume. it hits the maximum dB there. everything else is introducing gain in the power section. Also the volume pot has a bright cap. So between 6 and 7 on the Sc20 or sv20, you start to have less effect from the bright cap and the tone will sound less shrill.
Yeah that’s the thing with most Marshalls, they want to be loud. More so than the Friedmans that do want to be loud too but manage better tones at lower volume.
This x 1000! Old Marshalls, and their newer reissues, are built to be CRANKED. The power amp distortion is part of the sound, and it thickens the sound as the compression and collapse of the amp begins and the bright cap begins to fade out. You have to run the masters on these, even the JCM 800s and Jubilees, at 6-7 to start getting the goods.
I’ve had the SV20 and now I’ve got the little sister. It’s night and day. The Friedman has more clarity, incredible bass, 3 gain stages and master volume for home practice. Best amp I’ve owed
@EdBenji might sound that way in a video but in real life they are insanely dynamic. Even the Pink Taco if you lower the gain a bit it has a full range of overdrive just based on how hard you play.
In the very early 80's my live rig was 2 full JCM 800 stacks. Todays 800's have way more gain then I remember my original 800's had. The first 800's gain was way closer to the SV20H in this video. I think there's a myth about old Marshall amps- they weren't distortion monsters, they were just plain loud.
AC/DC is the classic example. Loud, yes. Heavy gain or even heavy distortion, no. I almost always turn the volume knob on my guitar to about 7 to get it right.
Exactly. We all needed sd1/ds1s... modded marshalls wasn"t really an option. Basic marshall and a basic boss maxed on output, low on drive, was how we rocked. Even my jubilees don't sound as gainy as videos of the jube reissues do.
My 1983 jcm 800 has nowhere near the amount of gain the reissues have. It's more of a crunch amp. Great for ac dc, it also does a great van halen 1 (if your ears can take it) with the volume cranked, but it never really gets beyond that. Definitely not going to give you any sort of metal tone without a pedal.
I have to comment……. I worked in one of the top recording studios in the world in the 80’s…… I can’t remember a single time I saw an artist use a modded vs stock Marshall amp. They may have used one live? But I recorded with Elliot Randall, Peter Frampton, The Rolling Stones, The Ramones, Billy Joel, Scandal, The Outlaws, Freddie Salem, Graham Goldman, Quincy Jones, Humble Pie etc etc and they all used stock Marshall amps.
Nicely done! They all sound great! The SV20 is my favorite of the bunch. The gainer amps sound a bit congested to me and can’t get as clean as the SV20. There’s always a compromise when gain is added to the classic plexi circuit. I also believe those bright Marshalls will cut better in a mix/band environment, and the other amps will sound more pleasant in a bedroom player environment.
You are right . To my ears , the Friedman’s are overly compressed and boomy . Prob great for power chord chugging but the Marshall sounds more open . It has a bigger dynamic range .
I've got the SV20H "Plexi". It's a beautifully clean sounding amp... and then? I add an EQ after the guitar and before the amp and I have that EVH brown sound. Add a fuzz and all of a sudden, some guy named Jimi Hendrix blasts from the 4x12 cabs. I can grab a Tele and twang! It's the most versatile amp I've ever owned and I used to make point to point "Plexi/Bassman" clones using mercury magnetics transformers. I've had (and still have) many tube amps and this one would be my "go to" if I could only have one amp. Cheers!
The Marshalls were classic; the Victory surprisingly good; the Pink Taco was for me, even high gain it was articulate and had a nice bottom end too. (All great amps)
I’ve owned a JTM45, several Friedman’s and have tried a victory sherif and I always come back to the friedman. I picked up a little sister and it is the most versatile amp I’ve ever owned..
Marshall just has that growl, regardless but those Friedmans sound fantastic. I think the Victory is the winner for me personally, but I'd love to have either of the Friedmans as well.
I have a marshall dsl40cr amp and love it. I also have the blackstar dep 10 dual drive and an old Boss sd1 pedal.... Love the combo of these but the Sheriff sounds absolute amazing.... i think ohne of the Best now. Tanks for your great playing
In case you guys are interested: "JCM800" did indeed come from a license plate, but there's more to it. Those amps were originally released in the mid/late ’70s as the Master Model Lead (2203 for 100 watts, 2204 for 50), but they flopped, because people expected the master volume to give them automatic cranked Plexi tones, not a new sound altogether. Jim Marshall believed in the design, though, so after a few years of the Master Model not doing so well, he decided that it should be re-released with a whole new name and self-consciously marketed to hard rockers and punks - Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motörhead, all them sorts. And with the new name and reputation, the 800 became the New, Scary, Not Your Daddy's Marshall, and all was well.
I *wish* you'd have included a mini-Jubilee in the shootout... Marshall's own 'hot-rodded JCM' amp, that manages to get the 'thump without the fizz' more like the 'boutique' amps demo'd here. I run a Friedman BE-OD Deluxe into mine, for a three channel tone monster for not that much $$$ 🙂
It’s like you just reached into my brain and made the video I really wanted. I’ve been fiddling with different classic amps in shops for a while now, hoping this video helps me decide what I want.
Might look at Ceriatone as well. Make a wide range of clones, and their Marshall clones are absolutely top shelf but for much less $. Yeti, Son of Yeti, and others deliver modded Marshall tones las good as Friedman, IMO.
The SV20 is freaking amazing. It is very versatile with the jumping and channel blending options, which the video does not show. It just shows one setting out of dozens.
@@EdBenji nope not at all, my mate has one exactly the same, the volume from these things is unreal, so for breakup you need to drive turn up the volumes to unusable levels unless you wanna wreck your hearing or your neighbours lol, so the only 2 ways to get drive outta them is keep the volumes down to a level that's usable as to give you some headroom and use a drive pedal in front but now your not getting that pure plexi sound from the amp (like what you have purchased the thing for I guess) but able to use your time based effects somewhat sounding better but not as good still, to get the pure plexi drive out of it at a usable volume I use an aracom dag 150 attenuator and then you gotta compromise. It's just the way it is if you know how tube amps work, I rest my case, ps the aracom is the best attenuator going it dosent affect your tone, check em out, I've used loads of different ones and nothing touches em. I rest my case 😀
I have that SV20h and the Bugera PS which is essential if you want some good gain tone and still sit in the same room with it. It sounds anemic unless you dime it so I got the V2 Hot Mod, much more useable now.
@Roberto Porcaro I bought that same Friedman little sister and tried it out with all my guitars then returned it… just didn’t like it except with a telecaster… overall here I liked the Sherif and the Marshall sv20h the best..
The SV20 is a 20 watt amp. I found that Marshall choked it off, so I am planning to get the full 50 watts with some components changed out that i have laying around.
Very impressed how the Victory was getting on! May have to add one to the collection. Love the Friedman tolex options very cool. Of course they sound great too. Least impressed with the Marshalls but I think you guys were right slam it with a pedal to put it over the edge and you're there.
@Lee and @Pete Can you guys move the Decibel meter to the center of the wall so that it sits just below the words "Music Co." ? You know, so's we can see that simultaneously with the strummin' and the pickin' ? Pretty Please?
I'm so glad andertons are featuring out of their fender-esc amps. Given they said all these amps where given, I'm sure it opened their eyes to what rock and roll (post 70s) was all about! One thing I can say all these high gain amps are different animal with just a few overdrive or boost pedals (most folks can't even gun 20 watts in most settings) or putting them through a power soak, it really opens up them up at comfortable levels! Pick up any tube screamer (the bugera vintage clone is an awesome cheap option) or boss sd1! Given we don't see much of raber or rob, the high gains tones are a sight for sore eyes or I should says ears
High gains tones are really dependent on what speaker set up. Isolated they definaly high slight differences, put them in a mix and you can't really tell a difference, now put them through a 1, 2,4x12 loaded with difference speakers and you will have more difference between all the amps. I say get whatever you fancy, but more importantly spend the same amount of time on your cabinet and speakers! More like a different flavor of the same whisky, at the end of the say it's still whisky! The standouts where pink taco and victory 25. Victory had more than one voice but they do all of them extemrly well. Place them in front of a 2x12 or 4x12 with some volume.... Crikey
My JCM 800 studio is my go-to amp at the moment. Being used to high gain amps like Mesa Boogie, Blackstar, PRS MT15 etc, the thing I love about the Marshall is that it's more touch sensitive and you have to be a better player to sound good with them. I was surprised how little gain they had, but stick a clean boost in front of it and it's just gorgous!!! I use a J Rockett Archer and it really does make it sing!
The Pink Taco gain structure is a 3 way switch I dont think they explored all 3 settings in this video just the high gain. There is a lower gain setting which takes you more into the vintage Marshall gain territory, it is certainly more hot rodden JCM800 in style but on the lower setting you can back the gain off and go for a more vintage type of sound.
nicely done. Long time Marshall guy, now primarily use a Friedman WW-20 (modded JJ Jr.), and I thought the JCM 800 sounded compressed compared to all the others. I was impressed with the Victory, but still would pick the Friedmans overall!
The Friedmans really surprised me with how articulate and defined they were with such a saturated growly gain. I always thought they were "basically" just Marshall, but they are quite a bit better imo. And the Marshalls both a brittle, thin part of their sound that the Friedmans didn't have.
I’ve had two Friedmans and that’s what blew me away about them. The note definition is incredible. The Smallbox was really amazing but couldn’t turn the master past like 2. Condo life.
Great video. I think you need to revisit the blindfold challenge to spot the real Marshall like you did with Rob a few years back. These all sounded awesome.
Low input on the Marshall jcm800 is for bass or ovation acoustic. On the 4 input: these were bass & lead amplifiers. Organs and other instruments would use the low input. It was allso used to send a signal to a slave amplifier in the area when there were no powerfull p.a systems. But rather vocal systems.
I am playing the SV20H with my Who Tribute Magic Buzz with a 2x12 DV Mark Cabinet. I changed the speakers with 2 Jensen Neo Tornado that tame the high end perfectly. For Effects and Master Volume purposes I am using a Line6 Pod Go (4cable method). This way I can turn up the Amp Volume to 8 and use the Volume Knob on the Pod as a Master. It sounds truly great. Sometimes you have to try things out. At first I thought it was ridiculous to have an effects loop in an amp like this. But it is perfect. I use the Pod only for boost, Delay, Reverb and Fuzz purposes. Works perfect. I am a big fan of this amp. Perfect for classic rock. The preamp gain is most of the time enough for me. I have 3 Marshalls from the 60s at my house that are my absolute favorite Amps, but since this little sucker only weighs 9 kilo (and the cabinet 12 kilo) there is no real reason to use the other amps. Of course they sound a little different, a little more growl, more deep end, but on the whole the SV20 is almost perfectly the character of the old amps.
I say buy them all! I have a Victory sheriff 44 and soldano 30 head and love them. Combo's I have the Friedman DS 10 combo and Carr Super bee 10 combo and Fender 57 hand wired that are great amps. All have their own place to shine.
I'm truly confident that you produce the best possible equipment reviews. Everything is transparent, completely clear, and realistic without the stereo nonsense that some TH-camrs engage in. It's a clean presentation of equipment just as it is, really. I don't think anyone does it better than you :)
@@StopTheRot I had the Origin 50 and unless you absolutely crank it to the max it just sounds really blah. I traded it for a Friedman Runt 20 head and oh man that thing is AMAZING! Friedman is definitely doing more Marshall than Marshall.
@@Mark_B585 Which part? So I didn't previously have an Origin 50? I don't have a Friedman Runt 20 now? I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Or are you saying the guy I was responding to was wrong? I'm just trying to figure out what you mean.
I truly think the JJ Junior 20 Friedman would’ve been a good choice to put in this blend. It has a much tighter base response as well but also a great clean channel and I think it’s probably the most versatile I’ve been running a sheriff 22 which I like a great deal but I’m not impressed the sheriff 25 as far as I don’t want those super high game tones I like having them available, but since I don’t use them regularly, I enjoy the clean channel on the 22 and the 44 and I guess that’s why I also picked up one of the JJ 20 white heads and I also recently got killed my credit card lol the JEL so it has a great out of the box, Marshall tone and certainly the modded 800 either way all fantastic amps I just think the JJ Junior would’ve been a good mix 35:2635:32
Love the Friedmans but that Victory is amazing as well as it seems like you can set up each of the channels to almost match the Pink Taco and Little Sister. Certainly a great value.
I've got the Sheriff 25 running into to 2x12 Victory creamback cab and it's killer! The only soud that's hard to dial in is nice clean tone, because it's a real amp and you need to be at ridiculous volumes to get a nice clean sound from it. My neighbours gave me noise complaints. Worth every penny. I use it with an Orange BHinds Terror, which is also a great amp.
@TybudX Really, about the clean tone? Doesn't the master volume do the trick? Was thinking of getting the 100w version, especially for loads of headroom to use pedals with. Only for rehearsals, though.
@@burt2800 It's just the reality of "that" clean sound. The Sheriffs are stilll wired like old amps. They need to be wide open to get that nice glassy sound. You can get all the sounds at lower volumes than a typical Marhsall but there is only so much a master volume can do. If you have a decent volume pedal that doesn't roll off high end or a multi effects box in the loop you should be good to go. I wish I'd bought the 100w one sometimes, but I don't play live anymore and I don't think I can write it off on my taxes. Maybe I'll sell a few things and get a good attenuator.
@TybudX yeah you're right about the cleans had time to play around with my 100w laney (that is basically a jcm800) and the cleans were ok at lowish volumes but really started shining when turned up. Turned up past useful volume haha
This is the vid I was waiting for, thank you guys! The Marshalls sit better in a mix IMO. But I guess the Friedmans with there big bottom are more fun to play true?
I think everything here sounded really good but if I had to pick my favourite here it’s the Victory with the Friedman Pink Taco a close second. I like the extra highs that cut from the Victory and it kinda kills me because as a Smallbox owner, I like to see my brand win. I live in Canada though and Friedman has fabulous customer service even here in Canada and it’s hard for Victory to match that level of customer service due to geography alone. But I love my Smallbox , I love that Dave Friedman himself has answered every single question I have sent to customer service, including asking for more detail on a crazy complicated pedalboard question of all things. I wouldn’t change allegiance for the world. There are all winners here though, every amp sounds really usable to me.
Same, I know it's much higher wattage, and price, but I was hoping the Sheriff 100 would make it into this shootout, though for obvious reasons I can see why it wasn't.
@@KipCount I think seeing the flagship amps would be a more fun comparison even if this probably is more useful for the average guitar player looking for a 20 watt Marshall
I was surprised it how well it did against those. Victory really seems to have improved the Sheriff. That last one was really dark and closed off sounding to me.
@@KipCount you are absolutely right.. i ordered one last year but i was disappointed because like you said.. it was dark and it sounded only good with maxed out master volume.. but i try out the new version for sure..✌🏻
I love how at 4:12 this episode suddenly turned into Coffee Talk with Linda Richman. I was waiting for it to become “a peanut is neither a pea nor a nut, discuss” moment.
When it comes to the Marshall SV20H or 1987X, and similar models, it's true that they need to be cranked up quite a bit to achieve the desired driven sound. Although this might be beneficial for some, it's worth noting that almost all models typically come with an effects loop. I believe only the HW version might not have one. By connecting it to the effects loop, particularly between other pedals like the VOLUME pedal, you can effectively obtain a master volume on the legendary PLEXI platform. If needed, adding another pedal, such as a Tube Screamer, can help create a perfectly versatile British Rock Blues sound.
SV20H and Little Sister sounds the best to me. I don't play with a lot of gain to begin with, so those two sound like they'll be better suited for what I play.
Friedman Little Sister would be my winning vote - No HDRX 20 in the comparison? It is based on a Marshall after all! Also Friedman Runt would have been good to see/hear? I love my HDRX 20 but was looking at (somewhat unaffordable) Friedman amps before the HDRX 20 was announced 🤙
I've been chasing that Marshall sound since I was a kid. Owned a few English made Marshall's over the years 800, 900, JCM2000 and a TSL. But nothing touches my Friedman.
I prefer the Friedmans. They have a superb tone, clarity and punch. In a bandmix they will cut through. Would I buy one of those two? Well, no. For that price I would get a way more versatile Rockerverb III, which imo has all what I miss in Marshalls. Playing RV's for decades now, so I am utterly biased. 😉
@@kanesword9528 I have both the 20W jubilee and the SV20 and like them for different stuff. The jubilee has less output and is harder to dial in. I feel this comparisson is not really fair since marshall tries to be true to the original amps. Whilst the competitors have taken those base marshall tones and improved upon them based on popular mods and demands. In reality most people would use a pedal or hotmod with the jcm800 or plexi and will sound closer to the out of the box sound of a friedman or victory amp.
@@florisvanlingen I had a jubilee, sold it and bought a sv20, didn't like the 4 inputs and a few other things. My new jubilee is coming in a couple days :) I think it's much easier to tune in than the SV20, real 2 channel, plus the clip pull functionality makes it almost a 4 channel amp.
I want that black Gibson Les Paul custom behind Pete! I really liked the little sister amp, it sounds massive! What was that orange switch that was used for running two amps?
A V30 is one of the last speakers I would want to use with this kind of sound. Too much spike in the upper mids. Good vid nonetheless. All the amps still sound great, you kind of pick which one has the feature set you need. Open up a Studio series Marshall and an Origin series and you won’t see any major difference in construction though.
For me the Friedman was the clear winner, then the Victory, then the Marshall. And that shocked me because I generally prefer the Friedman Dirty Shirley more than the Little Sister, Pink Taco, or BE models. So know I know that apparently all the Friedmans are killer!
I'm sort of down to Little Sister and Sheriff being my favorites of all of them. Wonder which cleans up the best, I'm thinking maybe the Little Sister.
@Lee & @Pete @Friedman should totally make a Pink Taco in Black with a Pink face panel on it! Alter a pic of it in all pink and make the shell in black in Shoto Phop! It looks killer, IMHO After all, Girls wanna look bad-ass too!
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I had one only yesterday=- telling me I had won a prize :( I obviously did not fall for it ) Nice to see Andertons have addressed this issue :) I love the Pink Tacho- when can I expect delivery lol
I got one an hour ago. That spam is getting so bad soon people will stop commenting at all. You Tube already screws content providers paying less or at all for "non subscriber" views when subs are still watching but just behind vpns or not logged in for google to track them. This pisses off the google therefore you guys get punished.
Can I ask Pete, or any of the presenters, if they changed from their usual amp to one they demo’d or reviewed as they liked the amp better than their original amp
I think the victory sounded amazing on every single setting and in both cabs it seems super versatile 👍
Absolutely love the Marshall SV20H & SC20H...wouldn't be without them.
Little Sister for me. I love that tone
"That's the best trick a pony can do!" Yes indeed. Guitar amps give us such a range of sounds and colors and textures, and we all appreciate them all. But that snarl...that roar....still gets me *right here* after hearing it for nearly 50 years.
I want Pete to keep exploring his metal playing until it reaches a point in the near future where I can tune into the Anderton’s channel and see him wearing all black and ripping Inferi riffs in C standard
He should learn some tool riffs
Inferi!? That's a band you don't hear about too often. Especially not on this kind of channel. Definitely underappreciated.
It will never be all black, it'll be all purple
@@imacashew. even a beginner can learn tool
@Mountains & Sea triggered peasant much?
Those Friedmans sound incredible, wow.
If you crank the marshall past 3-4, you wont get more volume. it hits the maximum dB there. everything else is introducing gain in the power section. Also the volume pot has a bright cap. So between 6 and 7 on the Sc20 or sv20, you start to have less effect from the bright cap and the tone will sound less shrill.
Yeah that’s the thing with most Marshalls, they want to be loud. More so than the Friedmans that do want to be loud too but manage better tones at lower volume.
This x 1000! Old Marshalls, and their newer reissues, are built to be CRANKED. The power amp distortion is part of the sound, and it thickens the sound as the compression and collapse of the amp begins and the bright cap begins to fade out. You have to run the masters on these, even the JCM 800s and Jubilees, at 6-7 to start getting the goods.
I had the bright cap removed from my SV20 and the amp became quite a bit more usable all around. Sounded quite a bit better.
Gain is introduced in the preamp tubes and the power tubes when the volume knob is turned up!
I’ve had the SV20 and now I’ve got the little sister. It’s night and day. The Friedman has more clarity, incredible bass, 3 gain stages and master volume for home practice. Best amp I’ve owed
plus in the us the sv20 price has gone up to $1749 which is ridiculous
Well yeah of course, the Little Sister is like 2.5 times the price of the Marshall XD
The Friedman sounds to compressed!
@EdBenji might sound that way in a video but in real life they are insanely dynamic. Even the Pink Taco if you lower the gain a bit it has a full range of overdrive just based on how hard you play.
@@EdBenji As you know... As you know, the amp has 'knobs' and 'switches' that can be adjusted.
In the very early 80's my live rig was 2 full JCM 800 stacks. Todays 800's have way more gain then I remember my original 800's had. The first 800's gain was way closer to the SV20H in this video.
I think there's a myth about old Marshall amps- they weren't distortion monsters, they were just plain loud.
AC/DC is the classic example. Loud, yes. Heavy gain or even heavy distortion, no. I almost always turn the volume knob on my guitar to about 7 to get it right.
Exactly. We all needed sd1/ds1s... modded marshalls wasn"t really an option. Basic marshall and a basic boss maxed on output, low on drive, was how we rocked. Even my jubilees don't sound as gainy as videos of the jube reissues do.
inflation these days has even started to affect our amps!
My 1983 jcm 800 has nowhere near the amount of gain the reissues have. It's more of a crunch amp. Great for ac dc, it also does a great van halen 1 (if your ears can take it) with the volume cranked, but it never really gets beyond that. Definitely not going to give you any sort of metal tone without a pedal.
@@countzero5150 Exactly👍
I have to comment…….
I worked in one of the top recording studios in the world in the 80’s……
I can’t remember a single time I saw an artist use a modded vs stock Marshall amp.
They may have used one live?
But I recorded with Elliot Randall, Peter Frampton, The Rolling Stones, The Ramones, Billy Joel, Scandal, The Outlaws, Freddie Salem, Graham Goldman, Quincy Jones, Humble Pie etc etc and they all used stock Marshall amps.
Man, i really really can't thank you enough for for upping the FPS on your videos. SUCH a significantly awesome difference!
Nicely done! They all sound great!
The SV20 is my favorite of the bunch. The gainer amps sound a bit congested to me and can’t get as clean as the SV20. There’s always a compromise when gain is added to the classic plexi circuit.
I also believe those bright Marshalls will cut better in a mix/band environment, and the other amps will sound more pleasant in a bedroom player environment.
You are right . To my ears , the Friedman’s are overly compressed and boomy . Prob great for power chord chugging but the Marshall sounds more open . It has a bigger dynamic range .
I've got the SV20H "Plexi". It's a beautifully clean sounding amp... and then? I add an EQ after the guitar and before the amp and I have that EVH brown sound. Add a fuzz and all of a sudden, some guy named Jimi Hendrix blasts from the 4x12 cabs. I can grab a Tele and twang! It's the most versatile amp I've ever owned and I used to make point to point "Plexi/Bassman" clones using mercury magnetics transformers. I've had (and still have) many tube amps and this one would be my "go to" if I could only have one amp. Cheers!
The Marshalls were classic; the Victory surprisingly good; the Pink Taco was for me, even high gain it was articulate and had a nice bottom end too. (All great amps)
I’ve owned a JTM45, several Friedman’s and have tried a victory sherif and I always come back to the friedman. I picked up a little sister and it is the most versatile amp I’ve ever owned..
Friedman in my opinion makes the best sounding amp I have ever heard
@@jimmyjames7946best Marshall type amp for sure. Carr or Tone King make the best Fender type amps.
Tone king is awesome. Played one today. I left with the little sister though.
Marshall just has that growl, regardless but those Friedmans sound fantastic. I think the Victory is the winner for me personally, but I'd love to have either of the Friedmans as well.
That's exactly what i was searching for yesterday - but didn't find anything as marvelous as this one!... Thanks universe - Thanks Andertons!
The Taco sounds warm but transparent - makes the guitar expressive with dynamics and sing with harmonics nicely.
I have a marshall dsl40cr amp and love it. I also have the blackstar dep 10 dual drive and an old Boss sd1 pedal.... Love the combo of these but the Sheriff sounds absolute amazing.... i think ohne of the Best now. Tanks for your great playing
I want more comparisons with these amps!!! This was a video ive been dying to find and finally found it
In case you guys are interested: "JCM800" did indeed come from a license plate, but there's more to it. Those amps were originally released in the mid/late ’70s as the Master Model Lead (2203 for 100 watts, 2204 for 50), but they flopped, because people expected the master volume to give them automatic cranked Plexi tones, not a new sound altogether. Jim Marshall believed in the design, though, so after a few years of the Master Model not doing so well, he decided that it should be re-released with a whole new name and self-consciously marketed to hard rockers and punks - Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Motörhead, all them sorts. And with the new name and reputation, the 800 became the New, Scary, Not Your Daddy's Marshall, and all was well.
I wouldn't complain having any of them, thanks guys for the video!
I *wish* you'd have included a mini-Jubilee in the shootout... Marshall's own 'hot-rodded JCM' amp, that manages to get the 'thump without the fizz' more like the 'boutique' amps demo'd here. I run a Friedman BE-OD Deluxe into mine, for a three channel tone monster for not that much $$$ 🙂
It’s like you just reached into my brain and made the video I really wanted. I’ve been fiddling with different classic amps in shops for a while now, hoping this video helps me decide what I want.
Might look at Ceriatone as well. Make a wide range of clones, and their Marshall clones are absolutely top shelf but for much less $. Yeti, Son of Yeti, and others deliver modded Marshall tones las good as Friedman, IMO.
The 2525H is probably the 'mod' you're looking for. Still a good comparison though. All great amps.
and including Origin and DSL would also be fun!
The SV20 is freaking amazing. It is very versatile with the jumping and channel blending options, which the video does not show. It just shows one setting out of dozens.
Got one and agree the amp has great tone but the effects loop is unusable
@@johnshields6539 how so? i have one and have been using a big sky in the loop for years. works perfectly.
@@johnshields6539 You must have a dud!
@@EdBenji nope not at all, my mate has one exactly the same, the volume from these things is unreal, so for breakup you need to drive turn up the volumes to unusable levels unless you wanna wreck your hearing or your neighbours lol, so the only 2 ways to get drive outta them is keep the volumes down to a level that's usable as to give you some headroom and use a drive pedal in front but now your not getting that pure plexi sound from the amp (like what you have purchased the thing for I guess) but able to use your time based effects somewhat sounding better but not as good still, to get the pure plexi drive out of it at a usable volume I use an aracom dag 150 attenuator and then you gotta compromise. It's just the way it is if you know how tube amps work, I rest my case, ps the aracom is the best attenuator going it dosent affect your tone, check em out, I've used loads of different ones and nothing touches em. I rest my case 😀
@@johnshields6539 The tone king ironman is great to..
Great vid. Changing speaker cabs makes a huge difference too.
I have that SV20h and the Bugera PS which is essential if you want some good gain tone and still sit in the same room with it. It sounds anemic unless you dime it so I got the V2 Hot Mod, much more useable now.
I choose the same , but I want carry less gear to a gig, so I use an amp with a preamp gain stage instead
Hearing the Captain say 'Pink Taco' Priceless
A fantastic episode... thanks guys for always bringing quality content to us..
Much appreciated..
Joe
Water biscuits are baked using only flour and water, without shortening or other fats usually used in biscuit production
Sherif 25 for the win!!!! Just sound the best here 😊
@Roberto Porcaro I bought that same Friedman little sister and tried it out with all my guitars then returned it… just didn’t like it except with a telecaster… overall here I liked the Sherif and the Marshall sv20h the best..
The SV20 is a 20 watt amp. I found that Marshall choked it off, so I am planning to get the full 50 watts with some components changed out that i have laying around.
Ok, but if the competition was about “best amp name”, can we all agree that “Pink Taco” will stay undefeated?!
I know right
Name wise it sounds better than the Brown Eye or its Hairy variation LOL
It's funny how Sweetwater is too conservative to put the amp names on their site.
@@flips220 prudes
4EVA 4SHO
Friedman all the way for 'that' tone. That's what Dave does SO well.
LITTLE SISTER And PINK TACO SOUNDED TOPS !!! Super awesome episode.....very important shootout indeed!!
I have the SV20 and I agree, it's a beast! But I love it.
Very impressed how the Victory was getting on! May have to add one to the collection. Love the Friedman tolex options very cool. Of course they sound great too. Least impressed with the Marshalls but I think you guys were right slam it with a pedal to put it over the edge and you're there.
@Lee and @Pete Can you guys move the Decibel meter to the center of the wall so that it sits just below the words "Music Co." ? You know, so's we can see that simultaneously with the strummin' and the pickin' ? Pretty Please?
I have the Sv20H with matching 2x12 cab, with Toneking ironman2, awesome amp.
I'm so glad andertons are featuring out of their fender-esc amps. Given they said all these amps where given, I'm sure it opened their eyes to what rock and roll (post 70s) was all about! One thing I can say all these high gain amps are different animal with just a few overdrive or boost pedals (most folks can't even gun 20 watts in most settings) or putting them through a power soak, it really opens up them up at comfortable levels! Pick up any tube screamer (the bugera vintage clone is an awesome cheap option) or boss sd1! Given we don't see much of raber or rob, the high gains tones are a sight for sore eyes or I should says ears
My vote is for the Victory. That amp sounds amazing.
The Pink taco gave me a semi as well.
@@IrLosin You should probably see a doctor if it didn't.
I've got one in front of me right now, through a 2x12 creamback Victory cab, so I agree! Whoever wins that pedal isn't going to be dissapointed.
High gains tones are really dependent on what speaker set up. Isolated they definaly high slight differences, put them in a mix and you can't really tell a difference, now put them through a 1, 2,4x12 loaded with difference speakers and you will have more difference between all the amps. I say get whatever you fancy, but more importantly spend the same amount of time on your cabinet and speakers! More like a different flavor of the same whisky, at the end of the say it's still whisky! The standouts where pink taco and victory 25. Victory had more than one voice but they do all of them extemrly well. Place them in front of a 2x12 or 4x12 with some volume.... Crikey
Tacko 😂
My JCM 800 studio is my go-to amp at the moment.
Being used to high gain amps like Mesa Boogie, Blackstar, PRS MT15 etc, the thing I love about the Marshall is that it's more touch sensitive and you have to be a better player to sound good with them. I was surprised how little gain they had, but stick a clean boost in front of it and it's just gorgous!!! I use a J Rockett Archer and it really does make it sing!
The Pink Taco gain structure is a 3 way switch I dont think they explored all 3 settings in this video just the high gain. There is a lower gain setting which takes you more into the vintage Marshall gain territory, it is certainly more hot rodden JCM800 in style but on the lower setting you can back the gain off and go for a more vintage type of sound.
nicely done. Long time Marshall guy, now primarily use a Friedman WW-20 (modded JJ Jr.), and I thought the JCM 800 sounded compressed compared to all the others. I was impressed with the Victory, but still would pick the Friedmans overall!
The Friedmans really surprised me with how articulate and defined they were with such a saturated growly gain. I always thought they were "basically" just Marshall, but they are quite a bit better imo. And the Marshalls both a brittle, thin part of their sound that the Friedmans didn't have.
I’ve had two Friedmans and that’s what blew me away about them. The note definition is incredible. The Smallbox was really amazing but couldn’t turn the master past like 2. Condo life.
Marshall needs to up their game tbh, a LOT of competition out there and you can't live on the Marshall name forever.
Freidman's sound really processed, almost like the sheen from the axefx. Good option for those wanting the easy to play recorded amp sound.
Masrshall needs volume and power amp bass
@@0megalul309 you need yours ears checking mate
the Pink Taco had the tone for me. All were great. Well done lads
Great video. I think you need to revisit the blindfold challenge to spot the real Marshall like you did with Rob a few years back. These all sounded awesome.
Low input on the Marshall jcm800 is for bass or ovation acoustic. On the 4 input: these were bass & lead amplifiers. Organs and other instruments would use the low input. It was allso used to send a signal to a slave amplifier in the area when there were no powerfull p.a systems. But rather vocal systems.
I am playing the SV20H with my Who Tribute Magic Buzz with a 2x12 DV Mark Cabinet. I changed the speakers with 2 Jensen Neo Tornado that tame the high end perfectly. For Effects and Master Volume purposes I am using a Line6 Pod Go (4cable method). This way I can turn up the Amp Volume to 8 and use the Volume Knob on the Pod as a Master. It sounds truly great. Sometimes you have to try things out. At first I thought it was ridiculous to have an effects loop in an amp like this. But it is perfect. I use the Pod only for boost, Delay, Reverb and Fuzz purposes. Works perfect. I am a big fan of this amp. Perfect for classic rock.
The preamp gain is most of the time enough for me.
I have 3 Marshalls from the 60s at my house that are my absolute favorite Amps, but since this little sucker only weighs 9 kilo (and the cabinet 12 kilo) there is no real reason to use the other amps. Of course they sound a little different, a little more growl, more deep end, but on the whole the SV20 is almost perfectly the character of the old amps.
I say buy them all! I have a Victory sheriff 44 and soldano 30 head and love them. Combo's I have the Friedman DS 10 combo and Carr Super bee 10 combo and Fender 57 hand wired that are great amps. All have their own place to shine.
I'm truly confident that you produce the best possible equipment reviews. Everything is transparent, completely clear, and realistic without the stereo nonsense that some TH-camrs engage in. It's a clean presentation of equipment just as it is, really. I don't think anyone does it better than you :)
The SV20H is out of this world. Unbelievable
It’s the same amp as the Origin, in a different box.
@@StopTheRot I had the Origin 50 and unless you absolutely crank it to the max it just sounds really blah. I traded it for a Friedman Runt 20 head and oh man that thing is AMAZING! Friedman is definitely doing more Marshall than Marshall.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973none of that is true
@@Mark_B585 Which part? So I didn't previously have an Origin 50? I don't have a Friedman Runt 20 now? I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Or are you saying the guy I was responding to was wrong? I'm just trying to figure out what you mean.
I truly think the JJ Junior 20 Friedman would’ve been a good choice to put in this blend. It has a much tighter base response as well but also a great clean channel and I think it’s probably the most versatile I’ve been running a sheriff 22 which I like a great deal but I’m not impressed the sheriff 25 as far as I don’t want those super high game tones I like having them available, but since I don’t use them regularly, I enjoy the clean channel on the 22 and the 44 and I guess that’s why I also picked up one of the JJ 20 white heads and I also recently got killed my credit card lol the JEL so it has a great out of the box, Marshall tone and certainly the modded 800 either way all fantastic amps I just think the JJ Junior would’ve been a good mix 35:26 35:32
I'll just keep my JCM900 4100 factory EL34 thanks. Great cleans, all the gain I need, and headroom for Africa. 30yrs of trouble free service so far.
Love the Friedmans but that Victory is amazing as well as it seems like you can set up each of the channels to almost match the Pink Taco and Little Sister. Certainly a great value.
I've got the Sheriff 25 running into to 2x12 Victory creamback cab and it's killer! The only soud that's hard to dial in is nice clean tone, because it's a real amp and you need to be at ridiculous volumes to get a nice clean sound from it. My neighbours gave me noise complaints. Worth every penny. I use it with an Orange BHinds Terror, which is also a great amp.
@TybudX Really, about the clean tone? Doesn't the master volume do the trick? Was thinking of getting the 100w version, especially for loads of headroom to use pedals with. Only for rehearsals, though.
@@burt2800 It's just the reality of "that" clean sound. The Sheriffs are stilll wired like old amps. They need to be wide open to get that nice glassy sound. You can get all the sounds at lower volumes than a typical Marhsall but there is only so much a master volume can do. If you have a decent volume pedal that doesn't roll off high end or a multi effects box in the loop you should be good to go.
I wish I'd bought the 100w one sometimes, but I don't play live anymore and I don't think I can write it off on my taxes. Maybe I'll sell a few things and get a good attenuator.
@TybudX yeah you're right about the cleans had time to play around with my 100w laney (that is basically a jcm800) and the cleans were ok at lowish volumes but really started shining when turned up. Turned up past useful volume haha
20:57 shows the blue Little Sister, but it’s the Pink Taco, right?
This is the vid I was waiting for, thank you guys! The Marshalls sit better in a mix IMO. But I guess the Friedmans with there big bottom are more fun to play true?
I think everything here sounded really good but if I had to pick my favourite here it’s the Victory with the Friedman Pink Taco a close second. I like the extra highs that cut from the Victory and it kinda kills me because as a Smallbox owner, I like to see my brand win. I live in Canada though and Friedman has fabulous customer service even here in Canada and it’s hard for Victory to match that level of customer service due to geography alone. But I love my Smallbox , I love that Dave Friedman himself has answered every single question I have sent to customer service, including asking for more detail on a crazy complicated pedalboard question of all things. I wouldn’t change allegiance for the world. There are all winners here though, every amp sounds really usable to me.
All amps played sounded great, the Marshall SV20, however, stands out.
I want to see this same comparison with the 100 watt marshalls, victory sherrif and Friedmans!!!
Same, I know it's much higher wattage, and price, but I was hoping the Sheriff 100 would make it into this shootout, though for obvious reasons I can see why it wasn't.
@@KipCount I think seeing the flagship amps would be a more fun comparison even if this probably is more useful for the average guitar player looking for a 20 watt Marshall
Jim Marshall used to buy his Newspaper from my parents shop in Bletchley. So obviously The Marshall is and always will be superior!
Great video! Would be curious to hear a JVM410H against the Friedmans and Victory, bec to me it's the "modded Marshall" from the Marshall range
JVM is more compressed.
Tchube Screamah! Thanks, guys. Great vid as always.
In the beginning I was thinking...WOW that Marshall Amp head looks HUGE
For the perfect Classic Rock sound, the SV20 with all controls at noon sounds amazing.
I bought a Sheriff 25 based on this video.
Absolutely phenomenal!
The Sheriff sounds absolutely ridiculous.. best of the bunch for sure!!
I was surprised it how well it did against those. Victory really seems to have improved the Sheriff. That last one was really dark and closed off sounding to me.
@@KipCount you are absolutely right.. i ordered one last year but i was disappointed because like you said.. it was dark and it sounded only good with maxed out master volume.. but i try out the new version for sure..✌🏻
@@MrTessi666 Would love to hear what you think of the new one compared to your experience with the old one!
I love how at 4:12 this episode suddenly turned into Coffee Talk with Linda Richman. I was waiting for it to become “a peanut is neither a pea nor a nut, discuss” moment.
THE MARSHALL SV20H WOULD DO IT FOR ME, WHAT A WEAPON.
It needs to breathe to shine, not have it's knackers cut off
@@greatgruff1442 yep agreed!
Victory for the win. It has that girth.
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When it comes to the Marshall SV20H or 1987X, and similar models, it's true that they need to be cranked up quite a bit to achieve the desired driven sound. Although this might be beneficial for some, it's worth noting that almost all models typically come with an effects loop. I believe only the HW version might not have one. By connecting it to the effects loop, particularly between other pedals like the VOLUME pedal, you can effectively obtain a master volume on the legendary PLEXI platform. If needed, adding another pedal, such as a Tube Screamer, can help create a perfectly versatile British Rock Blues sound.
"That's the best trick a pony can do!" Absolutely
SV20H and Little Sister sounds the best to me. I don't play with a lot of gain to begin with, so those two sound like they'll be better suited for what I play.
Pete's getting better with his metal riffing!
Friedman Little Sister would be my winning vote - No HDRX 20 in the comparison? It is based on a Marshall after all! Also Friedman Runt would have been good to see/hear? I love my HDRX 20 but was looking at (somewhat unaffordable) Friedman amps before the HDRX 20 was announced 🤙
No Jubilee? Besides that another great video thanks guys. Wish there was a budget “marshall” tube amp out there like a bugera
Peavey Windsor head was basically just that, a budget JCM800. And they must be cheap right now.
The origin series is pretty cheap
@@DrewPeabaws Also the DSL series
Mississippi Marshal otherwise known as a Peavey.
I would love to see you combine the sv20 with the sc20 Marshall's together for that Dookie tone!
Water biscuits are traditionally made with flour and water with no butter or other fats (which are what would make it taste moist).
I've been chasing that Marshall sound since I was a kid. Owned a few English made Marshall's over the years 800, 900, JCM2000 and a TSL. But nothing touches my Friedman.
Did friedman model did you get?
I prefer the Friedmans. They have a superb tone, clarity and punch. In a bandmix they will cut through. Would I buy one of those two? Well, no. For that price I would get a way more versatile Rockerverb III, which imo has all what I miss in Marshalls. Playing RV's for decades now, so I am utterly biased. 😉
Woohoo! Andertons time!
If I by a product and it fails after 3 weeks of light use, should I expect a refund, a replacement, or to be fobbed off with a credit note?
@4:39 - aren't they called water biscuits because they used to be made with just flour and water 🤔
Such a shame the silver jubilee wasn't featured since it is more of a modded marshall like the others.
Agree, i have one and i think it's the best Marshall out there :)
@@kanesword9528 I have both the 20W jubilee and the SV20 and like them for different stuff. The jubilee has less output and is harder to dial in.
I feel this comparisson is not really fair since marshall tries to be true to the original amps. Whilst the competitors have taken those base marshall tones and improved upon them based on popular mods and demands. In reality most people would use a pedal or hotmod with the jcm800 or plexi and will sound closer to the out of the box sound of a friedman or victory amp.
@@florisvanlingen I had a jubilee, sold it and bought a sv20, didn't like the 4 inputs and a few other things. My new jubilee is coming in a couple days :)
I think it's much easier to tune in than the SV20, real 2 channel, plus the clip pull functionality makes it almost a 4 channel amp.
I want that black Gibson Les Paul custom behind Pete! I really liked the little sister amp, it sounds massive! What was that orange switch that was used for running two amps?
That pink Pink Taco just looks amazing.
A V30 is one of the last speakers I would want to use with this kind of sound. Too much spike in the upper mids.
Good vid nonetheless. All the amps still sound great, you kind of pick which one has the feature set you need.
Open up a Studio series Marshall and an Origin series and you won’t see any major difference in construction though.
Would have rather seen a Silver Jubilee than a 800 here, but still a cool vid.
I've never been disappointed by the sound of a Victory Amp. To the point I am on the verge of selling my others to get one.
For me the Friedman was the clear winner, then the Victory, then the Marshall. And that shocked me because I generally prefer the Friedman Dirty Shirley more than the Little Sister, Pink Taco, or BE models. So know I know that apparently all the Friedmans are killer!
Water biscuits are made with just flour and water, with no shortening or fats - hence the name! Yours in baking, P Hollywood. ;)
IMO the Victory Sherrif won hands down!
I'm sort of down to Little Sister and Sheriff being my favorites of all of them. Wonder which cleans up the best, I'm thinking maybe the Little Sister.
Little Sister
@Lee & @Pete @Friedman should totally make a Pink Taco in Black with a Pink face panel on it! Alter a pic of it in all pink and make the shell in black in Shoto Phop! It looks killer, IMHO After all, Girls wanna look bad-ass too!
You need to include the HDRX 20
I like the Victory for high gain...it has gobs of it. For trad sounds I like the Marshalls LOL
I believe they’re called ‘water biscuits’ because they were common food on ships, due to the fact that they keep well.
That Victory is unsurpassed. Godly gain at 26:39. I am not really one for typical distorted sounds, but that was murderously awesome.
So other than the mini plexi my takeaway is it really doesnt matter which you get