El verdadero nombre de la llave de ese arma es "llave de patilla". Este tipo de llave se inventó en España a mediados del siglo XVI por el armero Simón de Marcuarte, instalado en la corte de los Austrias, que dio lugar a la famosa dinastía de arcabuceros madrileños. Este tipo de llave estuvo en funcionamiento hasta mediados del siglo XIX y muchas escopetas de pistón, de percusión, la llevaban en 1850. The real name of the lock that weapon is "patilla lock".
En el siglo XVI a esta llave le decían "de restrillo". Mármol de Carvajal en sus escritos sobre el asedio de Galera en la Guerra de las Alpujarras menciona que el caudillo rebelde, Aben Umeya, portaba en esa ocasión una "escopeta de rastrillo" probablemente muy similar a la que se le ve a Felipe IV en su retrato de caza pintado por Velázquez. Lo de patilla creo que es ya cosa del XVIII, y lo de Miguelete se lo inventaron historiadores estadounidenses para designar a las armas que aporto España a las Trece Colonias para su independencia de Inglaterra
@@CBZ-vk9bz Hola. Lo de llave de miquelet viene del nombre de las tropas catalanas en lucha contra los franceses, durante la Guerra de la Independencia, que usaban escopetas con esa llave. De ahí lo tomaron los franceses e ingleses (estos aliados de España en la Guerra Peninsular, pues así la llaman ellos). Pero es cierto que inicialmente se llamó llave de rastrillo (también llave de golpe o de salto).
@@hawkenrifles ah, gracias. Desconocía lo de la Guerra Peninsular. Lo poco que leí de la denominación de "Miguelete" fue por un informe museístico de un mosquete acompañado por una bayoneta de taco procedentes de las donaciones a las Trece Colonias, pero me parece más lógico lo que tú dices. Si lo vuelvo a encontrar te envío el enlace.
Miquelet or "miguelete" style actions were not that primitive for a number of reasons. One is that it is cheaper to manufacture; two is that it is better sparking with its stronger mainspring than french, english and central european flintlocks and needs no elaborate flints; three is that it did not weaken the stock throat like the conventional flintlock with intrincate carving to accomodate the lock mechanism; four you don't need a screwdriver to tighten or replace the flint when in need. American revolutionaries put a good number of these rifles to good use in the south with these good sparking locks. Miquelet locks were oficially outmoded, a less than violent form of outlawing, when King Phillip the Vth (a french Bourbon) came to throne, disregarding it as primitive and ugly. This led to the "a la moda" style, a french style lock with internal mainspring and sear but miquelet style frizzen and head. It certainly did not leave much room for fancy carving and the trigger was not a hunting but a military trigger with a long pull (exit was usually very clean though. Spanish were dissapointed with it, so it even made a comeback in military muskets in the XIXth century. It may be agressive looking and even uglier, but it works very reliably and is easy to repair. Spanish good quality flintlocks show cartouches in the breech to indicate the manufacturer and year.
+Miguel Ángel Simón Fernández I'd be interested to know, where you take the information from, that miquelets were superior in spark creation, and how you determine that they have stronger springs? Also, what counts as elaborate flint?
From shooting both types in military version original and replicas for over 18 years. You don't need a sharp flint in a miquelet. We say in Spain you could put a round pebble and shoot a flintlock. Haven't tried it but I shot consistently miquelets without cleaning in countless clay pigeon matches. More than I can say about ordinary flintlocks. This is as long as the touchhole is properly shaped and located.
Miguel Ángel Simón Fernández Hm. I have to admit, that I generally remain skeptical about anecdotal evidence. A single person may or may not have good or bad luck etc. when purchasing guns. I tend to prefer larger scale results, if possible. Yes, the touchhole is very important. Many replicas just fail in that regard.
+LutzDerLurch finding and shooting many original flintlocks, enough to be statiscally relevant is beyond my economy. I am not as lucky as the people in forgotten weapons. besides the gun ownership law in Spain and the Guardia Civil that enforce it can seriously affect their value. This means that really ancient guns prior to the 1840s that don't have a proof certificate from Eibar or an european house is difficult and they are very ignorant about it. The resultado is that it will get confiscated first, then damaged in storage and from humidity. third it will be proofed in Eibar and embossed crudely with a serial number and a BOPE cartouche ( Banco Oficial de Prueba de Armas), often destroying the artistic value of the gun. I'seen it done to several beautiful guns some of them with belgian proof marks. we in Spain can not walk around with original guns and risk them. some do and get caught when the Guardia Civil show up in shooting matches. Our government and society thinks society shouldn't have guns of any kind but only the military and police should, this means many hate guns, the very tools of their trade, and are thus also very ignorant of anything related to guns.
Miguel Ángel Simón Fernández Man, I feel sorry for your situation. I wish you had better gun laws. Also, both of us could do well with a medium sized lottery jackpot ;) I always admired the concept of having a rosette of 40 muskets hanging on the ceiling :D
Saw the word miqulete while reading a book about the Comanche with no explanation of what it was. I googled it and right there at the top of the list was gun Jesus with the answers I needed.
That's a gorgeous piece, Ian. I've always liked side-lock guns for their practicality (I can make powder and shot for them on the cheap if I need to). but they can be quite the art piece, as this one is.
Sorry to correct you Ian but slow match was soaked in either potassium nitrate or lead acetate solution, not ammonia. Nice piece, probably provincial, Basque or Castilian from the mid 18th century. Civillian not military and believe it or not, quite normal amount of decoration for a mid to good quality pistol of the day. Not a luxury gun but well made. It has some anachronistic features like the long ears on the butt cap and the stock shape (used in France from 1680- to 1720 or so) but until the Napoleonic war Spanish gunmakers were a conservative bunch. The various form of miquelette are very much the national gunlock in Spain and the heavy mainspring and large frizzen are dictated by the poor quality of indigenous gun flint. Even with a poor flint they are fast and reliable strikers. the lock design lasted through to the percussion era, even though ornery bits of rock were no longer used to set off guns!
I just find it funny it was at one point acceptable to have hundreds of people with lit matches and gun powder just hanging out. Just *boom* well there goes jim
old ones used to make them like the ones jim chambers recommends. I've seen spanish miquelet shotguns made by the Zuloaga family with grip safety!. Well, these firearms had also decent touchholes and rarely misfire as long as you do not overfill the pan. A little is better than a lot and I use the same 2f powder I use in the main charge.
I would totally fire that gun. Yes, low charge and yes, lead ball. Ian, you need to visit the National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association spring or fall shoot in Friendship Indiana.
Very cool piece. Have you heard or seen a book "Lancers for the King" by Sidney B. Brinckerhoff and Odie B. Faulk.? Might be right up your alley. It goes into some detail about the presidio system used by the Spanish in new Spain. It even goes into detail about what they were equipped with.
I strongly recommend to go to google books and have a look at f.e. "Ritterkunst" by Johann Jacob von Wallhausen. There are a few illustrations showing my fellow ancestors using firearms for clubbing.
"Mick-well-let"? I thought it'd be pronounced "Meek-eh-leh". Anyways, I'm not French myself, but it's surprising how much the French contributed to firearm development, the flintlock being amongst them.
Miquelet, pronounced "mickelet" (with the t), it's catalan not french. Miquelet units were created around 1650 during the catalan revolt: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Revolt
Hello my husband was just gifted one of these it came with a little paper inside that states it’s 1550 made in Spain. Wondering what the price on an original am a replica would be? Thank you in advance.
Mark Chatman For some reason the vertical lines on the striking plate make it automatically not count as a frizzen. Old lock terminologies have tons of controversy.
That is aaaaaaabsolutely gorgeous. I don't think I've seen a pistol with so much detail that turned out to be original - and that estimated price is an absolute steal. Do we have any idea what period this is from? I'm never very good with miquelets but from the rest of the style I'd guess c.1750s??
I would guess 1600s actually. By mid 1700s, many flint locks had more of a pistol grip. This just slightly bent pistol grip started slowly disappearing. Also they started covering the main springs about that time as well.
You're probably both right. Those locks always throw me for a loop. I was under the impression that they miquelets continued to be their own separate thing alongside other developments in some places.
I'd suggest it's late 1600's or early 1700's. The grip is fairly straight, but the lock plate has a point on the rear, much like a French lock, which isn't present on earlier locks, which are more round. Also, the earlier locks have a straight frizzen, and this one has a slight curve.
This gun is a long, long, long way from being in mint condition. The flints were replaced dozens to hundreds of times if the guns saw heavy use. Obviously you guys know even less about flint locks than I do which is saying something.
The lines are blurred. Miquelet is a more modern term to describe various styles of flintlocks outside of the "true flintlock" category (contrary to what is stated in the video about being the first true flintlock), first used as a term in the 1800s by historians then.
And the lock was invented in the XVI century and not only used by cataland. Also, the assignment of the term "Miquelet" to those guns is modern, done by american historians. If you are looking for a exclusive Catalan gun try "Pedreñal"
Just amazing that every firearm up until roughly 1700-1800s was hand made.
"then you pick the gun up with this end, and then you hit someone with it" love it.
I'd like to see more antique weapons, maybe even with a test at the shooting range! :)
Little did you know what you've done
Thanks for showing us this beautiful and well made work of art.
I really like that much of the mechanism is outside the lockplate, you can see more of how it works!
Compared to “French” style flintlocks, a distinctive feature of miquelet locks are they have these components on the outside of the lock.
El verdadero nombre de la llave de ese arma es "llave de patilla". Este tipo de llave se inventó en España a mediados del siglo XVI por el armero Simón de Marcuarte, instalado en la corte de los Austrias, que dio lugar a la famosa dinastía de arcabuceros madrileños. Este tipo de llave estuvo en funcionamiento hasta mediados del siglo XIX y muchas escopetas de pistón, de percusión, la llevaban en 1850. The real name of the lock that weapon is "patilla lock".
En el siglo XVI a esta llave le decían "de restrillo".
Mármol de Carvajal en sus escritos sobre el asedio de Galera en la Guerra de las Alpujarras menciona que el caudillo rebelde, Aben Umeya, portaba en esa ocasión una "escopeta de rastrillo" probablemente muy similar a la que se le ve a Felipe IV en su retrato de caza pintado por Velázquez.
Lo de patilla creo que es ya cosa del XVIII, y lo de Miguelete se lo inventaron historiadores estadounidenses para designar a las armas que aporto España a las Trece Colonias para su independencia de Inglaterra
@@CBZ-vk9bz Hola. Lo de llave de miquelet viene del nombre de las tropas catalanas en lucha contra los franceses, durante la Guerra de la Independencia, que usaban escopetas con esa llave. De ahí lo tomaron los franceses e ingleses (estos aliados de España en la Guerra Peninsular, pues así la llaman ellos). Pero es cierto que inicialmente se llamó llave de rastrillo (también llave de golpe o de salto).
@@hawkenrifles ah, gracias.
Desconocía lo de la Guerra Peninsular.
Lo poco que leí de la denominación de "Miguelete" fue por un informe museístico de un mosquete acompañado por una bayoneta de taco procedentes de las donaciones a las Trece Colonias, pero me parece más lógico lo que tú dices.
Si lo vuelvo a encontrar te envío el enlace.
Miquelet or "miguelete" style actions were not that primitive for a number of reasons. One is that it is cheaper to manufacture; two is that it is better sparking with its stronger mainspring than french, english and central european flintlocks and needs no elaborate flints; three is that it did not weaken the stock throat like the conventional flintlock with intrincate carving to accomodate the lock mechanism; four you don't need a screwdriver to tighten or replace the flint when in need. American revolutionaries put a good number of these rifles to good use in the south with these good sparking locks. Miquelet locks were oficially outmoded, a less than violent form of outlawing, when King Phillip the Vth (a french Bourbon) came to throne, disregarding it as primitive and ugly. This led to the "a la moda" style, a french style lock with internal mainspring and sear but miquelet style frizzen and head. It certainly did not leave much room for fancy carving and the trigger was not a hunting but a military trigger with a long pull (exit was usually very clean though. Spanish were dissapointed with it, so it even made a comeback in military muskets in the XIXth century. It may be agressive looking and even uglier, but it works very reliably and is easy to repair. Spanish good quality flintlocks show cartouches in the breech to indicate the manufacturer and year.
+Miguel Ángel Simón Fernández I'd be interested to know, where you take the information from, that miquelets were superior in spark creation, and how you determine that they have stronger springs? Also, what counts as elaborate flint?
From shooting both types in military version original and replicas for over 18 years. You don't need a sharp flint in a miquelet. We say in Spain you could put a round pebble and shoot a flintlock. Haven't tried it but I shot consistently miquelets without cleaning in countless clay pigeon matches. More than I can say about ordinary flintlocks. This is as long as the touchhole is properly shaped and located.
Miguel Ángel Simón Fernández
Hm. I have to admit, that I generally remain skeptical about anecdotal evidence. A single person may or may not have good or bad luck etc. when purchasing guns. I tend to prefer larger scale results, if possible.
Yes, the touchhole is very important. Many replicas just fail in that regard.
+LutzDerLurch finding and shooting many original flintlocks, enough to be statiscally relevant is beyond my economy. I am not as lucky as the people in forgotten weapons. besides the gun ownership law in Spain and the Guardia Civil that enforce it can seriously affect their value. This means that really ancient guns prior to the 1840s that don't have a proof certificate from Eibar or an european house is difficult and they are very ignorant about it. The resultado is that it will get confiscated first, then damaged in storage and from humidity. third it will be proofed in Eibar and embossed crudely with a serial number and a BOPE cartouche ( Banco Oficial de Prueba de Armas), often destroying the artistic value of the gun. I'seen it done to several beautiful guns some of them with belgian proof marks. we in Spain can not walk around with original guns and risk them. some do and get caught when the Guardia Civil show up in shooting matches. Our government and society thinks society shouldn't have guns of any kind but only the military and police should, this means many hate guns, the very tools of their trade, and are thus also very ignorant of anything related to guns.
Miguel Ángel Simón Fernández
Man, I feel sorry for your situation. I wish you had better gun laws.
Also, both of us could do well with a medium sized lottery jackpot ;)
I always admired the concept of having a rosette of 40 muskets hanging on the ceiling :D
After you get done talking about it, I want to buy it and I don't even like flint locks. You make every gun interesting. Well done.
She must have been a real beauty in her day.
It is incredible to think that actually one individual person invented this mechanism and we will never know who.
Simón de Marcuarte.. that was the name of the guy who invented this mechanism...
Thank you for all your work , Ian .
Saw the word miqulete while reading a book about the Comanche with no explanation of what it was. I googled it and right there at the top of the list was gun Jesus with the answers I needed.
That's a gorgeous piece, Ian. I've always liked side-lock guns for their practicality (I can make powder and shot for them on the cheap if I need to). but they can be quite the art piece, as this one is.
The Miquelet is not really an early flintlock, rather a parallel development.
Sorry to correct you Ian but slow match was soaked in either potassium nitrate or lead acetate solution, not ammonia.
Nice piece, probably provincial, Basque or Castilian from the mid 18th century. Civillian not military and believe it or not, quite normal amount of decoration for a mid to good quality pistol of the day. Not a luxury gun but well made.
It has some anachronistic features like the long ears on the butt cap and the stock shape (used in France from 1680- to 1720 or so) but until the Napoleonic war Spanish gunmakers were a conservative bunch. The various form of miquelette are very much the national gunlock in Spain and the heavy mainspring and large frizzen are dictated by the poor quality of indigenous gun flint. Even with a poor flint they are fast and reliable strikers. the lock design lasted through to the percussion era, even though ornery bits of rock were no longer used to set off guns!
I just find it funny it was at one point acceptable to have hundreds of people with lit matches and gun powder just hanging out. Just *boom* well there goes jim
@@codyjackalope8464 poor Jim, knew him well, he blew hisself to hell. . .
old ones used to make them like the ones jim chambers recommends. I've seen spanish miquelet shotguns made by the Zuloaga family with grip safety!. Well, these firearms had also decent touchholes and rarely misfire as long as you do not overfill the pan. A little is better than a lot and I use the same 2f powder I use in the main charge.
I would totally fire that gun. Yes, low charge and yes, lead ball. Ian, you need to visit the National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association spring or fall shoot in Friendship Indiana.
Beautiful. Unless you’re deep into guns, gun clubs and so on we rarely see Spanish guns or talk about who made them. Thank You
Love this old blackpowder stuff...
The pistol looks fancy and like a lot of time and effort went into making it.
Still love the old intro!!!
Excellent video
The intro music reminds me of the Panzer Front for PS1 theme music!
Even for its rough condition it’s still a beautiful gun.
Very cool piece. Have you heard or seen a book "Lancers for the King" by Sidney B. Brinckerhoff and Odie B. Faulk.? Might be right up your alley. It goes into some detail about the presidio system used by the Spanish in new Spain. It even goes into detail about what they were equipped with.
Miquelet: little Mike in Catalan language.
This term was not applied to these locks until almost the end of the flintlock era, although this style lock existed over 150 years by then.
I strongly recommend to go to google books and have a look at f.e. "Ritterkunst" by Johann Jacob von Wallhausen. There are a few illustrations showing my fellow ancestors using firearms for clubbing.
thats a darn huge gun...
Would like to see more disassembly videos
Then you're going to be very happy with the upcoming videos.
Bittersweet, I always wanted Ian to do Japanese and Korean flintlocks, but it will never happen.
Very nice
"Mick-well-let"? I thought it'd be pronounced "Meek-eh-leh".
Anyways, I'm not French myself, but it's surprising how much the French contributed to firearm development, the flintlock being amongst them.
Miquelet, pronounced "mickelet" (with the t), it's catalan not french. Miquelet units were created around 1650 during the catalan revolt: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Revolt
Hello my husband was just gifted one of these it came with a little paper inside that states it’s 1550 made in Spain. Wondering what the price on an original am a replica would be? Thank you in advance.
Captain Jack Sparrow is looking for his pistol...
Those guys new how to build a BBQ gun.
Cool intromusic!
Hector Barbossa's pistol from POTC!!!! 😃😃😃😃
Is not Spanish my friend, he is arabic Algerian, Algerian 1530 ,1825 . 300 years of reign in sea Méditerranée.
Do you have any videos about reloading of this gun
Send me thay link
Thanks .
Pan cover is called the "frizzen" I believe
The whole unit is called the frizzen (The stricker plate and the pan cover)....
tuton it's one piece, don't be a jackass.
+Mark Chatman Frizzen is a pretty modern term, though. And how to use and define modern terms on ancient weapons is...erm, tricky to say the least
Mark Chatman For some reason the vertical lines on the striking plate make it automatically not count as a frizzen. Old lock terminologies have tons of controversy.
That is aaaaaaabsolutely gorgeous. I don't think I've seen a pistol with so much detail that turned out to be original - and that estimated price is an absolute steal.
Do we have any idea what period this is from? I'm never very good with miquelets but from the rest of the style I'd guess c.1750s??
oh i think its older than that! by the 1750s flinklocks had been quite refined while this looks like a late 17century or early 18 century.
I would guess 1600s actually. By mid 1700s, many flint locks had more of a pistol grip. This just slightly bent pistol grip started slowly disappearing. Also they started covering the main springs about that time as well.
You're probably both right. Those locks always throw me for a loop. I was under the impression that they miquelets continued to be their own separate thing alongside other developments in some places.
sure, btw i like your profile pic.
I'd suggest it's late 1600's or early 1700's. The grip is fairly straight, but the lock plate has a point on the rear, much like a French lock, which isn't present on earlier locks, which are more round. Also, the earlier locks have a straight frizzen, and this one has a slight curve.
In catalonia we remember the miquelets militians as a heroes. It is pronounced mi-ke-lets
I fire matchlocks and we soak our match in a saltpetre solution. I've not heard of ammonia before, can you tell us more about that?
What is the date of this particular piece?
Doesn't even come with a flint.
Why would it matter? You need to be completely out of your alleged mind to fire a gun that old and in that condition.
This gun is a long, long, long way from being in mint condition. The flints were replaced dozens to hundreds of times if the guns saw heavy use. Obviously you guys know even less about flint locks than I do which is saying something.
I don't know, I guess it just feels like a missing piece that should be included even for display.
Dommage que je ne trouve pas de ressort pour mon pistolet !
frizzen
What year is this approx?
That's jewelry
What's the différence betwen a miquelet and silex
The lines are blurred. Miquelet is a more modern term to describe various styles of flintlocks outside of the "true flintlock" category (contrary to what is stated in the video about being the first true flintlock), first used as a term in the 1800s by historians then.
Is like os replica from assain greed. Hmmm how many assinations perhaps oooh 😶
Keep your powder dry!
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Miquelets aren't spanish,they were catalan who fought against the borbonic army in 1714. The history was written by the winners.
pol marin Catalans are Spanish lmao
And the lock was invented in the XVI century and not only used by cataland.
Also, the assignment of the term "Miquelet" to those guns is modern, done by american historians.
If you are looking for a exclusive Catalan gun try "Pedreñal"
Catalans are Spanish
@@jcristero2476 Some i serem gent catalana!!!!tan si es vol com si no's vol!!!
Josey A R háblame en español que no te entiendo