Peter Works out "Commercially Sensitive" Figures in SECONDS | Dragons' Den
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2019
- Former Merchant Navy Officer John Bull is pitching for £50,000 in return for a 20% equity stake... he hopes to gain knowledge from Peter Jones that will allow him to lower his production fees. After sharing a story of his struggle, Peter asks if he has come into The Den for an "investment or counselling?"
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"An investment or counselling" .... that was so cold it was almost inhuman.
Honestly though he was right.
The way he came up with that sob story when nobody asked him about his story, it sounded like the guy was just trying to make the judges gain sympathy for him.
Peter asked him what was wrong with suits, not for his entire life story. They're there to do a job, not to listen to his rambling.
bakersmileyface he was just anxious you tend to over explain because your thinking so fast and about everything
@SavageArfad If the guy didn't want things going personal, he shouldn't have started telling a personal story.
It's a business negotiation. He's trying to get the dragons to give him their money. The dragons will do what they can to stir him up and put him under pressure in order to see his character in order to decide whether he's worth giving money to.
You're right, if he snapped back then the dragons would've been down his throat. Because he shouldn't snap back. He should keep his cool.
Like I said, it's a business negotiation. He should've treated it as such and he should've expected the dragons to attack him when he walked in there.
And besides, Peter was still in the right. Peter asked a question, then he answered the question and then started talking about his life story. Not the place for that kind of talk.
I agree, it was savage. I've seen previous season where a woman was actually crying throughout her pitch. And yet the dragons fell for her emotional manipulation. Women can get away with that kind of BS.
@@bakersmileyface it’s not the X factor and they ain’t judges.
Why the **** would you ask about his tattoo then say “are you here for an investment or counselling” when he answers, these dragons are so pisstaking
It may be the editing done on the video. They do chop out a lot of minutes to narrow it down to 10-12.
Because of the rambling he has added after answering the question in his first sentence.
What swear word consist of 2 letters
Chris Griffin lol, if you put 4 of them, youtube changes it too 2 😂
****
"I'm Jenny and I'd like to make you an offer for all the money."
Jenny wakes up. "My god, what a nightmare".
Hi, I'm Jenny. I love the product and I'd like to make you an offer.
That's why I'm out.
Have you just copied this comment and pasted on every video??!!
@Oliver Westwood ok, why you telling me?
No one cares about Jenny comment any more Luis.
@@ceeceepenington7320 tbf, he posted that a year ago
What a lovely bloke, hope he sells enough to give him a good living.
Stotty01 it’s now the number one stand and first search on google 🙌🏼 so happy for him
I think he was far too honest. He tried to sell this warts and all. Instead of concentrating on what he does well.
@@walsh9080
The dragons are professionals, they should not need an expert salesman to pitch them a product. They should rate the product.
@Bludy 893 Shut up virgin.
Bludy 893 bet you don’t even have a job
John you’re a top bloke and carried yourself so well in this pitch. Just an incredible guy
Hi John
@@Franglaiso lol
And that's why I'm out.
he wont shag you....
Why is Peter so rude? You asked him about the tattoo and suits and essentially his background and then asked him if he’s there to seek counselling?
Peter can at times be a really decent guy and at other times an arse - this defo the later
Tahir for what...Painal?
That was so unessasary..... extremely nasty thing to do!
I love Peter Jones, his sarcasm also.
In an interview of any kind at this level of business, you should wear a suit, at the very least a shirt and tie... he has a shirt with pushed up sleeves, no tie and a zip fleece. It doesn't look good.
The man was direct and honest, and since this, as I understand, they have been selling rather well. Best of luck to the man.
Richard was the nicest
Sarah is the sweetest dragon that's ever been in the den. The way she listens to each pitch is just delightful. Haven't seen many people feel the same way but, I miss her :/
Her and Nick Jenkins were the nicest dragons, Deborah is quite nice now too.
Simon was awesome too.
She always did my head in. Yes she listens, but the constant apologising everytime she criticises someone or is about to declare herself out always annoyed me, but I know I think different to most people so I'm likely in a minority with that one.
Ya I like Sarah a lot!
@MusicMaster1987 what??
"Peter does basic math in seconds!"
Post-Jenny-meme we need a run of narrator memes.
started his career at siemens nixdorf in germany. they make registers...
No, he did basic maths in seconds.
quik maffs
To plus too is for
Dude looked like his was walking in there to delivery a package lol
Just Some Guy that’s why he’s anxious, because he was and they got him mixed up with someone else and he was too polite to say anything
How's the champagne smelling on its way outta your ass?
Just Some Guy “ ‘delivery’ a package” Yh?
@@causetheplumstasteyum7848 nice lol
Dont judge a book....
The one sentence you should never say in the Den: “I’ve struggled to sell them” 🤦🏻♂️
I love how Peter tricked the guy into giving him the information he didn’t want on TV, but did it in like 10 seconds.
TBH if wasn't that difficult although it was unethical of Peter to do it
@@Regular.Biceps If he was willing to part with the information leading to the production price that easily, then he shouldn't have even bothered trying to hide the production price in the first place.
What was the trick? He just did some maths.
Mark Brewer the trick was getting someone else to say what they didn’t want to say. It’s more than just “doing maths”, it’s psychological manipulation.
If it were just “doing maths” then Peter would have said it, but he didn’t, he got the other guy to say it.
Maths is just a small part of magic, the rest is misdirection.
@@turtleinashirt as a trained cognitive scientist, I can assure you that there is nothing that could be defined as "psychological manipulation" (whatever you think you mean by that) on display in this video. Peter used data that had already been given by the speaker, talked him through a calculation and then stated the answer himself. This is a mere GCSE-level maths and logic exercise used to investigate a business proposal. If I said to you, "I bought five apples and now I have three. No one else has touched the bag they came in, nor any of the apples themselves. I don't want to disclose how many I've eaten to you," and you replied, "ok, I'll tell you. You've eaten two," you certainly haven't engaged in any form of manipulation to yield the correct answer.
There's absolutely no need to invoke the folk-psychological spectre of 'manipulation' to point out that it was a clever move on Peter's part.
Really hoping to see some new and inventive Jenny comments today
@Dymaknight that's reasonable. But you're lack of creativity has not excited me. And for that reason I'm out
Jenny jokes...... please stop they're boring people to death, she's left the Den.....
@@markperryman1797 yes she has left the den, she's out
Im Jenny and I am not at home, I am out.
@@dave101t well if you're not home you're not investable, and for that reason, I'm out.
Plinth is now apparently the 'world's best tablet stand'. Fucker proved them wrong didn't he
Christopher Tolley yes according to John it is
@@acesigma06 Plinth is now on the first page of google search, so he can't be doing too bad
Christopher Tolley he’s doing nothing special, go look on companies house.
@@userjim83 well...…… his website looks nice! hahahahaha. At least he's making a living from it
He must have benefited massively from this TV appearance.
He came across concise and professional. No need to stress over presentations! Well done
“Have you come here for an investment or counselling?” What a **** comment.
It's the truth. They're business investors. His personal issues are his.
@@stephenfox8685 probably shouldn't ask about his PERSONAL tattoo then lmao
Idiot asked about his tattoo. Cant stand these investors.
Yes ,shitty comment , the guy was appearing on Tv , possibly his first time , he was bound to be nervous etc , perhaps peter should try remember his first tv appearance and be a little more sympathetic
It's a play to make him more nervous. Nervous people make stupid decisions.
I like the way he doesn't want to give any information out so Peter worked it out and tells him before he realises it's not really a big deal to keep a secret on TV
Him : Gives good presentation
Peter : what’s with the tattoo
Fair play to this chap,great product,keep pushing forward
If he had come in with a whole line of these products he could've had something. A great product doesn't always mean a great business, but a series of well made and innovative products is a whole lot more appealing to a big investor.
he was too negative and candid about his weaknesses and struggles. A better and more confident pitch would likely have got Peter on board
Sell me this pen!
I think Peter threw him off by being bloody rude and saying have you come here for councelling or to sell something
i cant stand Peter he is rude and arrogant while the others are "mostly" just polite..why is he such a k*** head to people?
Cheeky get him.
Philip Marlowe and this is the edited version! You should hear some of the things they actually said to me!
Plinth ah, hi john. Glad you proved em wrong. Mind sharing what else what said to you?
@@plinth7266 are you still selling them?
Annoyingly I need a plinth in order to watch this on my phone.
And also quite as annoyingly, you know just where to purchase one by watching the show, yet you take to SM & would rather post about it but not get one 😒
The cover I bought offered one angle and was as robust as the hinge on the flap holding it up - which quickly gave way. This looks altogether superior. He could have sold its advantages better, or maybe he did and we didn't see it.
Nah peter is rude looooool how did the man not see what he was doing when asking him the calculations
What was Peter Jones writing down with that posh fountain pen of his? ‘I’m a miserable, judgemental bastard, but I’m rich, so it’s all ok’
Ahaha!😂👏👏👏👏👏 I'm scrolling down the comments, then I read your one, snorted, laughed, choked & spat my drink out! laughing so hard it came out my nose as well....
Nailed it 😂
How is a fountain pen posh?
Ill give you the price I sell it for and the margin I make on it, but will NEVER tell you my cost price! lol
Just for any American's or otherwise unaware people commenting. *He was not in The Royal Navy* he was in the *merchant navy* which is a union for crewmembers of cargo ships in the UK and commonwealth countries, nothing to do with the armed forces, ocean based version of being a trucker or driving a frieght train. Thanks.
TheRealUnconnected thanks for clarifying. I sort of knew that but wasn’t completely sure. Interesting!
myplinth.co.uk/my-story/ "From school I joined the Royal Fleet Auxiliary as a trainee Navigator, and spent 8 happy years keeping the Royal Navy topped up with fuel, rockets and beer."
Legend has it that Jenny still watches the program and screams "I'm out" whenever someone enters the den.
No need for Peter to ask him about therapy, unless he wants to recommend his own one to him?!
Not really. He’s commenting on the fact he’s come for investment but dressed like he’s heading for a scramble up Mam Tor.
I agree Peter don't look right himself at times!!
@@pjaw8226 Yeah but you have to remember the context. Peter asked what is wrong with suits, followed by a question about the tattoo. The entrepreneur responded by talking about how difficult it has been. Peter was calling him out for being unprofessional. It was tactless but that is what Peter is getting at. He wasn't dressed or acting appropriately for an investors meeting.
He’s a castrated Twit
Counselling doesn’t necessarily mean therapy. I interpreted it as Peter meaning more business counselling, i.e inquiring as to whether the guy had any business know-how and just came in for someone to guide him, or if he wants a financial investment. Makes perfect sense - the guy was going on about how the corporate world wasn’t for him so Peter was clarifying if he had come for money or guidance. Don’t think Peter was questioning his sanity or being unempathetic to his situation.
Jenny's so out that she didn't show up.
I love Jenny jokes. Especially when she's not even there.
Peter, you dont have to be an asshole to him. He was such a nice guy
It was nasty unnecessary
I got what Sara asked so I Googled it, NOBODY comes up.. I keep getting 25 best stands, 10 best stands, top reviewed on Amazon... There is Nobody that comes up so... Unfortunately they where wrong because on these lists it's the 2nd BEST stand.. It's $10 on Amazon so I'm buying
interesting that this guy who says he was terrified going in to the den actually pulls off a good presentation with no show of nerves
My Netflix subscription has gone up this year, putting a strain on my finances, for that reason, I'm out
Fair enough Jenny
I think the product is exceptional. I've not seen anything as well designed with the intricacies that you've got, and the level of design that has gone into that. I don't think I've seen many things as good.
Peter Jones
Currently watching this on an ipad that has a cover doing a terrible job of standing it up so I think I would buy a plinth 😀
watched the whole episode, immediately went to check if they were still in business to buy one. Needed a decent stand for my wacom cintiq and honestly this fits the bill perfectly
Seemed a real gentleman with a great product. I’d certainly buy one. Good luck to him
Being in the merchant navy, he probably thought it was going to be plain sailing.
He hopes that his sails will go through the roof.
Calm down Evan
Thank you for the upload as always
Love this man. And all the best Plinth.
I admire his stand. His sit isn’t bad either.
Howard Send get out 😂😂
I am Flabagasted at Peter for taking the piss.
Keep the videos coming thanks den
"...pocketability, stability, versatility and speed...ility"
Jenny: The product’s name doesn’t rhyme with my name and for that reason, I’m out.
Jenny not here, idiot. Save your obsessive crush comments for those that feature her.
Ha ha jennyrator.. Ha ha generator.
Entrepreneur: 100% of Google for £2.99
Jenny: I'm inside out
Beautiful product. Good luck to him.
For a nervous guy, he made a perfect pitch.
Better than most people who aren't as nervous as him!
I think he should try to sell his product to companies that they can offer as a promotional gift to customers and employees.
That's something he could deffo explore. I think finding the niche/market for this would be challenging to make it worth while.
Aurelian Spodare, I agree!
The Bastard Gift Hi Mr Gift - I do, although no longer work hard at it. The problem, as with so many things, is nobody wants to pay any more for anything than they absolutely need to. So people sourcing promotional products want cheap. Unfortunately, I designed Plinth for performance, which means I use expensive processes and materials. I also insist on UK manufacture, for ethical and environmental reasons. Thanks for the comment. 🙏🏻
Well hello Mr. Plinth. Surprising but certainly thank you for responding. In retrospect of the promotional gifts I have received at work and taking in consideration your words, I whole heartily understand your point.I also take into account the Dragon's words of your product being so well made. That unto itself was a collection of a great review. People really don't want to pay for more than what they need, and as in my case, an author of short horror stories, I offer some of my books free to generate sales. That certainly can't work with every business model. You sharpened me to write my comments in layers rather than my first reaction. Thank you.
No they could get the exact or similar stuff from China for next to nothing.
Phrase: shooting oneself in the foot
Definition: when someone says "it's good that you're now making profit", and you say: "our machines broke and we couldn't sell any stock..."
May get one of these as a gift; seems like the nicest thing I've seen on here
"Have you come here for investment or counselling?"
Shame on you Peter for being so disgraceful!
Peter Jones-I was homeless, had to sleep in a warehouse without hot water for months etc. As soon as anybody has a similar story-do you want sympathy? Do I look like a therapist?
In the end, Mr. Bull left as a gentleman and very nice person.
That's one honest man . He revealed all negative to the investors.
Debra with that savage blow "I'm a businessperson, not a magician"
I bought one, it’s a great lil product, very sturdy and does what it says
When the doors of the lift opened for him to go up Jenny was on her way down to say she was out
thanks for the upload..
John, you are a wonderful man !!! Keep going on....with this or a new one....
nice try John…. Nice try
"Investment or counseling"?! Wow. That was a jerky comment, Peter Jones.
Nice bloke. Didn't seem particularly fazed at all.
He looks like he's been told "No" more times than Jenny has refused an investment.
Adam Weishaupt you tried, you failed. Sorry buddy.
@@jdc4316 Your consolation has warned my spirit and reinstated my faith in humanity! 😁
That editing to highlight the pun at 7:50 😂😂
the problem is charging 15 bucks for this stand. if you are making money selling to distributors at 6 bucks a piece sell it for 8.99 on Amazon.
What is it about this show that keeps me watching more? I’ve been watching a ton of these clips lately.
British: "it has been approaching me with an increasing sense of terror"
American: "ive been getting nervous"
Kulorful Kush
He has an odd way of phrasing his feelings.
@@ellencampbell3921 s'called 'English', ya'all.
Peter: its 2.50
Guy: you wasnt supposed to say that.
This stand actually looks cool and very practical.
What a vile thing to say to this Ex-Navy Officer and a very nice guy. Peter Jones ... you are not the be-all and end-all just because you have money.
Merchant navy just means you work on a freighter, it's not a branch of the military. No disrespect, my grandfather was in the merchant navy, but its just a haulage job like driving a truck or a freight train.
Lol I am watching on my phone thinking I need something to raise my phone. And this guy has done it. Will.buy one
Peter has a point on the tablet functionality being overshadowed by covers/kickstands, but maybe if John could miniaturize his design and make something smaller than a credit card in size for just phones it might sell
Poor Jenny is sat outside waiting for the show to end so she can drink the water 😂
Her eyes light up when there's free products
Jenny has made offers in the den plenty of them so why criticize her ?
Boris Johnson by Plenty you mean about 3 right? 🤔😂
Boris Johnson you’re right. And for that reason, IM out.
@@mostbrutalvideos4612, it's because most people are incapable of original thoughts and just riff on the same old joke for ever and ever and ever. Because, hey, they get plenty of likes.
Peter took a stand on it. But John stands by his product.
ivan carlson This just stands in contrast to the others too.
@@DrumToTheBassWoop I stand corrected
ivan carlson Nice, i will standby for any more comments.
Peter: asks personal question
**gets personal answer**
Peter: alright fookin el I'm not your Ma
Very nice man John was. I hope he meets success
Seems to be doing alright to me... 575 reviews on amazon!
Just bought myself 2 on amazon. Looks great!
Feel for you John...hope u do well mate ..il be looking out for one or two to buy 👍
To those who think Peter Jones is an arse, you're not completely wrong. I think his opinion and honesty for business sometimes gets in the way of the connection to the entrepreneur. He can definitely be rude on some occasions but I don't really think he does it on purpose, it's just his way of thinking. This bloke is actually doing quite well which I'm happy to say means he proved them wrong but I wish Peter Jones had an opportunity to apologize for the comment about counseling. There was no need for it and he's proven he didn't even need you or your counsel to be successful. Good on him ✊
@0:49 flashes a masonic hand sign.
The masonic network will be helping him anyway, so why come to the dragons?
People are angry about Peter's counselling comment, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about business advice in relation to the "struggling to find a market" bit... you don't really tell potential investors that you don't actually know what your market is and expect them to be happy about that. Get over yourselves.
Search “best tablet stand” and his case is the number 1 result and I’m in Germany! Well done.
He just needed a few seconds of "Touker Time!" 🤣
Free advertising
Probably all he wanted.
He’s taking a stand that his stand will stand out more at a trade show stand.
His tablet stand is rated the best now ! Good on him.
1:20 Touker - Why do I need a stand for a tablet, surely the box from the pharmacist is sufficient storage.
I feel like they were a bit harsh especially peter but ah well.. seems like a decent guy i'm sure he will keep going
Being in the merchant navy for eight years, you’d have expected his sails to be bigger
and that rude Peter Jones behaved like a w-anchor.
Peter was spot on about this at the end. I use my tablet all the time and it’s so much easier just having a stand integrated into the case.
Good ol John Bull, what a shining example of a good English man.
This idea is great for him, but no good for anyone else. Sure it does everything what he wants it to do, but most people aren't that desperate for the same needs that they'll go out looking for this. The biggest flaw for me is that this product needs to have the iPad out of its case to work properly, most people have cases on their iPads and most cases have some sort of stands built in.
Grimshaw Grummage very constructive
I think the phone market is bigger than the tablet. And he has one for a phone now.
They were very unpleasant to him, I'm nor sure what he did to deserve it.
Business is business, but no excuse for rude attitude towards him.
He wasn't rich or successful enough to be treated like a human being. If you haven't noticed, the dragons only respect rich or successful people and treat anyone else like crap.
They came up (for me) second on the top page on google. So good on this guy ! I hope peter jones sees what he missed out on
I think it's funny how some entrepreneurs don't want to say how much they pay for their products to be produced because they don't want 'us customers' knowing how much money they are making. It makes me think that they aren't confident in what they have. I'd purchase a product at 10 times the value of the production cost if I believe in the product. We all know that a bit of plastic isn't going to cost anywhere near the £15 he's selling it for....
Omg Peter I adore his wits and sharpness but men give this guy a break , show him some mercy he does need some little love just like all of us ....🤣
Ah, but if Peter Jones was a charity he would be called Oxfam, not Peter ...
we were lucky Peter didn't just say...." hello sailor "
tuckedup " that's a nice one🤣"
John: "I don't want want that information on television." Me: Don't go on a TV show then.
He makes a good point, it's like Nike and Adidas making their trainers and paying their workers a few pennies and then selling it for loads of money, it doesn't make a product look good
nobody: I wonder what Tharries thinks about it
@@sirploom yes but if Nike or Adidas were suddenly in need of investors they would HAVE to tell them the margins, it's not even a question, same here, tough titty if it's on tv
@@drexlspivey5828 yes but it doesn't have to be on TV, you could postpone the recording and then continue it after they discuss the topic
@@sirploom but if you did it for one person EVERYBODY would want that done and it would take away from some of the fun of watching the show, a lot of the fun of watching it is hearing the figures and the viewer deciding if they would go for it, removing the figures from the audience pretty much makes the show pointless
5:46 he is literally the first link that comes on google😂
Man, Evan went "Overboard" with his ship puns during this pitch!