Omg this man actually said “a company as professional as OcenGate”??? I am an engineer with 27 years of experience and I will say it now. Corners were cut, materials and equipment used were NOT of the highest standards by any means, inspections and tests were few and the truth will all come out! This should NEVER have happened. There are two ways to do things. The right way and the way OceanGate did them.
Absolutely correct. Unbelievable this was somehow allowed to even take place. Surely there was some appointed Authority that would and should have prevented this insane risk-taking with unsuspecting and uninformed people's lives?
agreed. you would think billionaires would consult another professional with a simple "hey man, do you think this thing is safe??" they are constantly performing the due diligence to protect and grow their wealth, but when it comes to their life? sheeesh....
I’m not an engineer, never served as a submariner in the US Navy, but as much as the Titanic has always fascinated me, one look at that contraption would have made me take a hard pass on a dive on it.
Gee you'd think violating a grave sight would be enough of an incentive. But hey if you dont have a surviving family member to convince you of your illness go fo it! On some other vessel if you get that chance. Oh by the way sir or madam! Do you mind if I get a craft and dig around your families grave(s)?
Being bolted in from the outside is such a cheap-arse solution and then you've got the game controller, wiring plastic tied to the outside and laptops that could fly around if they lost control, no seating or restraints. Yup, I'm with you. I wouldn't take that thing in a puddle.
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 Yes, explosive bolts are a real thing. If you saw The Right Stuff, the explosive bolts blew the hatch off of Gus Grissom’s (Fred Ward played him) space capsule on splash down and it flooded and sank. When the Space Shuttle was being tested for its glide to landing, explosive bolts separated the Shuttle from atop the 747. In the 1967 Apollo 1 disaster that killed Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee, there were no explosive bolts and no way for them to get out from inside, and the fire expanded and tightened the hatch so much it could not be opened even from the outside. They’re a last ditch safety/emergency exit system. Many military jets have them to jettison the canopy or hatch so the pilot/crew can eject, and they fire first when the ejection is initiated. The seat and crew follow milliseconds later and a solid fueled rocket fires them away from the airplane. All happens in about 2 seconds. Explosive bolts would not have saved the 5 people in the Titan disaster, but would have allowed them to get out if they’d made it to the surface and not been found before their air supply was exhausted. They’d have suffocated if not found quickly because they could not open it from inside. I’m not an engineer, just a life long aerospace nerd who reads up on this stuff.
Yeah. All the trips he's taken with it he could've built a submersible suitable for diving that deep. They've been doing it for decades now and he didn't care to take note from them smh.
@@tropicanaborgatta8335 i think is the element of fear. But they have elements we do not have. Great adventure, thrill seeking etc. I am passionate about Everest (to read about it not to go there) and there are a different kind of people. We need to respect their decissions. They made it at full capacity. They knew the risks and they paid the consequences. We do not have to judge them. God rest them in peace.
Celebrating a CEO who thought he knew more about the industry than every other industry expert. Its that type of hubris that got all 5 of them killed. He gambled with other people's lives and finally an unfortunate few had to pay the price.
@@SI29222 Catastrophic implosion was the cause. The hull was not structurally sound at that depth, and though the OceanGate Titan had made the trip safely many times before, that doesn't mean the sub itself was able to handle that level of pressure.
@@SI29222 we don't know what part of the submersible failed, but we do know that the design and use of carbon fiber in that manner would eventually fail. That's what ever expert told Rush and he proved all of them right. We also know that submersibles have been going down to the Titanic for 30 years, and this flowed design is the only one that failed.
It's sad for sure that a 19 year old kid died, but it's also ironic, we regularly send off "men" of a similar age to die in wars, they just often happen to be poor.. When it's the son of a wealthy businessman they are suddenly innocent children. Again, not saying I disagree with the idea he was a innocent kid, but we as a society are pretty hypocritical and value some lives over others.
He made an interesting slip of the tongue when he talked of the dive he went on he said “That was an experiment (then corrected himself) an experience in itself” . I think he was right the first time. It was essentially still an experimental craft and all those passenger paid a lot of money to be guinae pigs.
Those passengers signed a waiver in black and white that said they were being used as a guinea pig on an experimental sub. They read it and they signed it and then they died.
He was trying to give us a secret message. Did you see his body language and blinks? He had all nice things to say. Blink blink. Then at the very end he was like hell no I wouldn’t go on that thing you crazy?! I’m pretty sure he’s being held captive.
Crazy how many people agreed to get bolted into a tin can to see rusted wreckage. This company was very secretive about how much that tin can was an actual tin can.
I can't wrap my head around even the owner knowingly going down to insane pressures with a sub made with questionable strength, even told it's only good for a quarter of that pressure. I wouldn't go 12,000 feet even if it was rated for 30,000. Nope.
@@mikewillett5076 I feel like billionaires in particular believe they're invincible. They are so far removed from their fellow humans they think they're an entirely separate entity and that nothing that applies to others applies to them. They are also incredibly arrogant. Nothing could possibly go wrong for THEM, until it does.
@luigidimario yup they got a weird complex that they're going to save the world because they're smarter than everyone. They're not stupid (usually) but they live in an alternate reality for sure.
Why would you bring your teenage child on such a risky adventure? Even if my child begged me to go I would have said no. This is even more sad when you read reports of the 19-year-old son telling a family member he was terrified and was only going to please his Titanic-obsessed father.
Pakistani parents are very very pressuring, it can get suffocating but regardless of that the son is a angel, he wanted to spend father's day with his father.. oh my heart is in pieces. I cannot imagine how painful that would be. Fly high Suleman Dawood 🕊️
The whole attitude throughout was one of chasing an adrenalin rush regardless of risk or consequences - similar to what you feel as a kid when going on a Disney theme park type ride. Totally irresponsible and totally stupid. If death traps for tourists is what some people refer to as 'research' or 'exploration', I say they need get a grip on reality.
Find the video of the father and son from Vegas that backed out last minute and that father and son replaced them. Vegas family did their research and said "oh hell no". The CEO was texting them and had even lowered the price to $150K
"Futility" was a book published in 1898, about 14 years before the Titanic sank. The book was a fictional story about a ship like the Titanic that sank after hitting an iceberg. The name of the ship in the book was "Titan". Ironic that Rush named his submersible Titan. Almost like he was asking for lightning.
Titans were the gods who preceeded the Greek Gods and of them Oceanus ruled the sea. But you are right names have resonance. The feds are going to crack down on this type of tourism so it doesn't happen again. The US Coast Guard blew their budget for the year on this big rescue so maybe Congress will increase their budget for Y2024. A lot of people in the industry say Congress needs to increase spending on oceanic research.
@@WindTurbineSyndrome The can give em all the money in the world. The ocean will forever remain a mystery and fully unattainable, just like up above. We were put in this specific place for a reason and however this place came 2 be, the only way out is returning back 2 the ground we arose from.
@@WindTurbineSyndromeI think the feds won’t need to do much. After this, who would want to take the chance of getting killed to make the dive? The days of Titanic tourism are pretty much over.
@@TransoceanicOutreach it's a myth. Ship flags serve this purpose. The Convention on the High Seas, which many countries have signed, state that in international waters, any law that applies to the country whose flag the vessel flies is governed by its flag country. Also, The UNCLOS Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), in addition to the laws of the flag country, governs international waters. Despite their role as a means of freedom and exploration, the high seas are still governed by registry and UNCLOS laws. This was clearly a well disguised exploration mission in order to bypass some laws, which Stockton Rush was a specialist in.
Much of the Ocean estate is simply not regulated, and for whatever laws made there's very little manpower to enforce it, it's almost just the wild wild west out there cuz it's just such a treacherous zone.
Ocean gate is a "professional company"? No, that is a false statement. Thr ceo literally said that safety regulations were a waste of time, and only held up progress.
Stockton's engineering and business decisions basically make him look like psychotic murderer right now. If you ignore nautical engineers in the submersible industry, and greenlight yourself past strict safety regulations because of your "innovation", at that point you are basically using your customers, aka tourists, or what OceanGate called their "mission specialists" as lab rats and you are in fact psychotic.
I agree. Listening to his glowing review of the company and CEO just baffles me. When all the evidence and substance is saying that this was a money grab and a big safety red flag.
That stockton guy jeopardized the lives of so many people, everytime he bamboozled them into that submersible trashcan...although he might be considered a visionary to some, his lust for the Titanic and his greedy ambitions ended the lives of those poor souls, especially the 19 year old kid. RIP.
It was all about getting that money for him to make more of those death traps. It’s was out of his hands if something went wrong because they all signed a contract. Greedy.
Each and every passenger chose to take the trip. Noone forced them. They had the option to pick from every single available submarine to take down there. Them not being diligent and choosing the safest possible craft is completely on each of them. I would never have set foot in that coral reef viewing craft. Totally fine to go scoot around the great barrier reef or check out the sea floor in the Bahamas But going to the depths of the ocean without knowledge of the depths, pressures, required specifications, and all other things related is completely reckless. I don't know much about depth traveling but I do know I wouldn't descend in something without a tether, and external air supply line, external power line, remote operation capabilities in case the subs controls malfunction, tracking systems, and either hardline communication systems or at the minimum actual radio communications, and a winch for the mothership to pull the craft back from the depths. The fact that these people didn't think any of that was necessary is what got them this outcome. We get one life. You make your choices. They all made theirs.
Yeah, and you could tell his age when he said "creative MEN." There are lots of creative women out there, and my guess is that they would be more cautious and sensible.
Carbon fiber fatigues under compression very easily and quickly, so making Titan's hull out of carbon fiber was insanely stupid. The hull would have worked perfectly fine for a few dives (which it did), but microscopic fatigue stress fractures would eventually lead to catastrophic failure (which it did). If the Oceangate CEO had put the Titan through certifications, the inspectors would've told him this and not certified the vessel. Of course, that's exactly why Oceangate didn't want to go through the certification process.
You win for best comment. I'm a retired Nuke Safety Guy. You are absolutely correct. I had a lot of "Go-Or-No-Go" say over critical operations, for Governmental and Non Governmental Organizations going back to Sun Ship's Guppy and the Glomar Explorer. This contraption had failure written all over it. His selection of Critical Operators was abysmal. I haven't heard the words Written Procedures on any Podcast or "News Cast". Sheer Narcissism and Greed took this "Crew" down, all the way from the Bilge Mate to the Captain to the Designer.
Another example proving that the phrase "do your own research" can actually save your life. This guy didnt do his research, but got lucky. RIP to those 5 who weren't so lucky.
@@1k20a Scientists expert In knowing the materials suitable to withstand deep sea pressures said the sub failed to meet required standard. Apparently there had been warnings. Anyone who did their own research would have given the dive a miss.
@@JoeyMartzthe phrase "a company as professional as Oceangate" said it all, didn't it? Anyone curious and slightly knowledgeable would know better, this man was just happy to be invited along. He sounds like he just wants to be able to say "I visited the Titanic" so happily puts his life in the hands of a business man. Does that sound to you like he gave this much thought? 😂
They weren't, the company officially said they are no more, heard twice people working there, the younger stupid ones,porked in that sub while it was dry docked, and few guys had a circle jerk in it, see what the news doesn't tell ya
If Titan had been in service for 2-3 years and had completed several round trips to ocean floor, then IMO "material fatigue" was a factor here. That carbon composite had never been used before and the preferred shape--a sphere--was rejected in favor of a cone. Had Titan been a titanium sphere, then this disaster may not have occurred. CEO of Oceangate wanted a cone shape in order to fit more passengers than a sphere.
Exactly. Pressure vessels only can handle a preset number of cycles as you mention. Unfortunately, the people on this trip didn't realize this vessel was done. I seriously doubt the company periodically tested or inspected the vessel based on other reports that they deliberately skirted some safety issues when constructing the vessel because it would cause delays. It sounds like some of the travelers were so enthralled with seeing the Titanic that it outweighed their thoughts about safety. So very sad for the 19 year old boy who wanted to please his dad.
Not to mention, this submersibles hull was carbon fibre… Carbon fibre pressure vessels are common for positive pressure containers.. such as for compressed gasses.. the container under a tension load In the application of a submersible, the hull will be under a compression load Carbon fibre is strong under tension, weak under compression Not an ideal material for this particular application There’s some brilliant engineers and material scientists out there who could make it work I’m sure But I’d imagine the challenges outweigh the benefits for such a small company like this one
yep. that's how they got around the regulations... They're not "tourists" on a "tourist vessel" who "pay for the trip"... therefore the trip is not a "commercial activity" and is not regulates as such with all the certifications and rules and insurances They are "mission specialists" on "the experimental vehicle" for the "project they participate on and finance"... therefore it's all a "private experimental mission". Basically, you can't stop me from building my own sub and going down in it.. And the paperwork made it so that they were part of the group and it was their project and their sub... or something like that. That would have been the first sign of shoddyness and shadyness, even if I knew nothing about material physics and deep sea exploration (which most of us don't me included)
Yeah…an there is no war in ukraine… Is just a special military operation in which russians shoot whatever moves…!!! But it is not a war!! Mission specialists at work!!😤 sometimes i really think and wonder what is wrong with human kind…🫣🤣
Yeah…an there is no war in ukraine… Is just a special military operation in which russians shoot whatever moves…!!! But it is not a war!! Mission specialists at work!!😤 sometimes i really think and wonder what is wrong with human kind…🫣🤣
I dont know if it was horrible for them. For their loved ones yes for sure. But they probably were mesmerized by the ocean and then off 2 wherever we end up when our time hear on earth is over. Now if it was a slow death I 100% agree with you. But from all the reports were hearing it was instant.
@@MrAddidas2 you're right. I've been watching videos on it and reading about it a lot today. I've been hearing this quite a bit today. It's a comfort to know it was instant.
@@laurafloyd6554 Yeah it was instant. They would not have felt a thing and probably wouldn't have even known anything was wrong. It's a lot better than being stuck on the seabed waiting for your oxygen to run out.
My dad is an adventurer' and every time he embarks on one of those risky trips, he gives us a big hug. He is a firm believer that a risky adventure could cause his death but that doesn't t stop him from going., he is 83 years old and maybe in the near future he will put an end to his passion for the uncertain and the excitement of the unknown.
I understand that.. for some reason I’m itching to go on a submarine tour. I’ve been on one before (only 300 ft deep) and would love to go. Despite the news, the ocean is still amazing and it’s natural to want to explore
@taylormorrison7486 Im a firm believer that when is your time to go ''' no matter what, you will go..................but if is no meant to be, you can take all kind risks and you will still be here.
@@auralplexAt least you die instantly - not panicking in something the size of a mini-van with no way out, no way to communicate, no way for any rescue for days on end. I'll take flying any day of the week over something like this . . . - Susan Burns
He made the statement that if he would have known then what he knows now he wouldn’t have gone. So he risked his life without making sure all T’s where crossed and all I’s where dotted. I would have done all the research I could and made sure everything was certified before going to the bottom of the damn ocean. Unbelievable
@@SSTillmanEsq It seems this proves that any craving for adrenalin rush-type experiences should be forced to submit to reason and that NO journeys of this kind be permitted unless that enforcement level is met in full. Any human being who respected the lives of others wouldn't have allowed them to be subjected to such insane risks. Perhaps this was part of the 'adrenalin rush' Mr Rush seems to have craved?
He just said exactly what I've been thinking all along. People that went down in that submersible were not aware of the controversy and the warnings from experts about the safety concerns. And are not in a position to really know anything about the proper construction of a submersible to have seen any red flags themselves. So many people seem to think the four passengers knew how rickety that submersible was and just didn't care. I seriously doubt they had a clue.
It's incomprehensible that someone would avoid certification, a blatant red flag. But just as much so that passengers would take the risk when there were other competitors who followed logic and conscience and got certification. What an insane interview.
Forget certification, what about testing. Going to 400 Bar depth? You test for 800. And not just once, but at least 200 dive cycles worth, or the expected lifetime of the sub. Fail? back to drawing board. CFC may be unsuitable, but wrap enough of it arouynd a vessel and eventually it will withstand the pressure. So besides certification, a lack of thorough testing - that's even more unforgivable for an engineer.
There isnt any certification for those depths. Its a donat your own risk type scenario. No organization wants that liability of certifying these things
@@nonofyourbusiness7631 You are correct that there is no bonafide way of certifying, but using scale models one can calculate the risk of implosion, and include the degradation of the materials. This way a fair risk assessment can be made. Now we can only surmise the CFCs failed, which they probably did. But that's beside my point.
My great uncle was a marine biologist for the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago. He had this Styrofoam cup he said they had taken down to the trench, and it went from a big gulp cup, to a small shot glass. It was one of the most fascinating things (to me) from his work there. I can't even begin to comprehend not just imploding from that pressure, but knowing it's likely going to happen, because you're descending too fast, and can't do anything about it... The fear from knowing the inevitable is truly unimaginable... I pray for their souls to have peace, and for God to look over their loved ones.
I guess this is not as unique a thing as I thought. I saw a TikTok video yesterday that a guy was showing off 4-5 tiny styrofoam cups. When they were big he drew a picture of the titanic on each one, signed it, then took them down to the titanic and when they brought them back up they were close to the size of the thimble.
You pray for their souls??? The people on board The Titan were a bunch of Wealthy A-holes with a Morbid fascination of seeing he final resting place where something like 1500 souls were lost tragically when The Titanic struck an iceberg and the designers of that ship simply didn't provide enough lifeboats to accommodate everyone on board... No one deserves to die like the people on The Titan but they were all informed of the Great risk involved and they chose to proceed at their own peril... All one can say is that they probably didn't suffer...
Glad he answered honestly about not doing it if he had the proper knowledge. I would bet that those who perished would have said the same thing. The company is negligent for not disclosing all information before taking passengers down. Truly a tragedy.
But they did disclose all the important information they would have needed to know in the waiver. They literally say “ this submersible hasn’t been certified for safety by any government body or agency” that’s all I would have needed to know right there
I find it odd that this man seems to speak so glowingly about the Titan, and Stockton Rush, yet the one man that backed out of this specific dive said it was because there were so many red flags and safety concerns. I mean, I've seen video's of some of the parts that were used, that had other original intended uses. Heck, I wouldn't have been surprised to hear if part of it was held together with duct tape. You could not have paid me a billion dollars to go down on this thing. And all of that is confirmed after hearing James Cameron talking today about just how flawed this thing was, and that he wished he had sounded his concerns, voiced them loudly, earlier.
I think the reason he is speaking so glowingly is because you are witnessing someone with an explorer mindset. This man was excited by the talk, by the idea of it... just like the people who died on the side of Everest who had no business climbing it, thinking it was a bucket list thing... which, I guess it was. The way I look at Oceangate is the same way I look at the Wild West... people who are risking their lives doing things that have not been proven safe. My family and I went on a trip to Hawaii and had thought about doing a helicopter tour... I did so much research and found that, not only had several people died not that long before in a crash, but the time of year we were going the weather would be risky. It literally took me an inch of research to decide I didn't want to gamble. The folks that paid money to die clearly were taken in and did not do their own due diligence. I am just sad that Rush took them with him.
@@Madamegato Yeah! I totally agree with what you are saying! Adventurers sometimes are the most prone to danger, because they are doing what others aren't! I don't think the trip itself would be very dangerous if it had been tested with different materials or in general just TESTED! The problem comes in from all the other factors that make the actual trip sort of a dumb idea. It's TOO deep, no one can go help, it's a submarine so it's already way more limited. OceanGate just proved that being adventurous without weighing the risks will eventually bite you. It sucks to hear him say "CEO died drinking his own Kool Aid" because he really did die, thinking "it's safe" instantly.
I envisioned duct tape holding components of the sub together when I first read about the lawsuits filed against OceanGate by a former employee. As a Floridian I recognize and respect the fix-it power of duct tape lol. But I've also flown on a small passenger plane that had duct tape very clearly applied over cracks around my window. Maybe it was nothing in terms of real risk, but I never forgot the chill that went down my spine 😳 Now whenever I hear about shoddy craftsmanship in situations like this, I think "was there duct tape? 🤔"
He says in the end he wouldnt do it again knowing all the issues, he basically got lucky and went on one of the successful trips which would have been an experience of a lifetime. Being an explorer or whatever doesnt make you aware of all the technical things engineers and so on are. I may have missed it but I dont think he was or is qualified to understand the structural aspects of it. Personally I wonder what/how much the other passengers on this one inquired about regarding the structure or if they were just like hey sign up for a ride to Titanic! and just assumed it was trustworthy.
@@xoEmilyAnnexo11 Um no. More like thankful I wasnt on that specific trip. Having guilt for something you had absolutely nothing 2 do with is a bit much.
Not enough food nor water, no safety protocols nor safeguards! No common sense! This man knew better, but went anyway, still encouraging others to create more such subs! Crazy!
the biggest problem was NO redundancy. By the time the warning alert sounded they allegedly have 4 seconds to do nothing but await their fate. The federal govt is sending the NTSB to investigate believe me new regs are coming and they will shut this type of "tourism" and DIY submersible industry down for good.
He generously throws out words such as “professional” and “visionary” for Oceangate and Rush, then ends the interview by saying if he had known of the criticism three years prior to his trip, he would not have gone.
Thinking about these men trapped in an inescapable space (possibly in darkness) wrecked my heart. The idea that they suffered none of that is a relief.
Im a Oceanographic Survey Engineer. When i first saw pictures of this Sub i thought it looked a bit amateur. Its thrusters are tiny for the size of it and it only appears to have 4. I cant see any transponders on it (these are always used for locating things under the vessel), the cabling on the outside should really be tied of better or put in some bundles and the fact they seem to have gone for a much cheaper “lid” that bolts on than a proper door. It all leaves me with a sort of feeling of inexperience, amateurish outfit. Im sure there is some great innovations but the sub seems to be lacking somewhat. This guy. He must be feeling somewhat in shock and very lucky right now. I feel sad for the families of those who died. Any loss of life at sea is sad. The wretched iceberg that got Titanic seems to have claimed 5 more lives all these years later :(
I always thought that though I am not a nautical engineer, that bonding Titainium with Carbon Fibre is a strange combination especially in sea water and at 1000's of LBS per square inch. God bless the people on board RIP
Yes, this has been stated by two other very senior naval diving officers also - that when pressure would be applied it would simply tear apart. Had it been ensured safety regulation standards, these people likely wouldn't have lost their lives. However, I'll never understand how any sensible person would step into a vessel heading for such depths with no backup tracking device, no rescue beam attached, and above all, bolted and unable to be unbolted other than by other people outside the sub. For all their 'exploratory' knowledge apparently these glaring 'fails' didn't even concern anyone at all - and that is simply staggering.
It's definitely not conventional and being two dissimilar materials they are going have completely different fatigue rates over repeat dives. Glue is also quite hard to calculate for as it introduces a lot of irregularities compared to a contiguous material, like all the other titanium sphere subs that have never failed due to an implosion. The titan sub was experimental and totally reckless by the company to be taking paying passengers, regardless of the disclaimers they signed.
This report is comical. He absolutely had no idea what danger he was in, had no real knowledge of the safety of the submersible, and by the grace of God, he lived. Bro, you were a living test dummy for something untested and obviously deadly.
Listening to this guy absolutely confirms "affluenza" isn't just a kid thing. @7:35 is the money shot. Wow. Eschewing time-tested methods, prioritizing profits over basic safety, and summarily dismissing the concerns of experts isn't the same as being "creative, visionary, and finding new ways to do things". The logic bubble these people exist in is overdue for an implosion of its own.
If it wasn’t for people like OceanGate, the human race would still be living in caves. We need people willing to take risks. If no one took big risks, we’d have no civilisation.
I get what you’re saying. I think people choose to do this because of the whole experience. However, don’t get me wrong, I would never do it myself. I’m claustrophobic and have Thalassophobia too lol
Dude was lucky. It was a deathtrap waiting to happen with how many corners they cut. Sounds like he didn't know what to look out for & bought into the sales pitch which is why he was impressed with them. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
Watching the video of them attaching the parts with Epoxy glue, a man walking around the pod applying it by hand, so no way of it being an even application, and they then lowered the other part onto it, and viewing it by eye said it was a perfect attachment, shocking
People must really want to see that shipwreck badly. I don't get it, who wants to risk their life for that? With all the things in the world to see, that's not worth it. This man with his window covered from the outside may be confined to that house by his very concerned relatives.
The titanic is a big deal to a lot of older ppl For wealthy risk takers and adventurers this is a chance of lifetime. I wouldn’t dare but I can definitely see why thrill seekers would it
1) "suburban man" is a rich dude who doesn't want to be identified. 2) while he was describing his experience he brought up "how professional OceanGate was". This sends up some red flags - is he invested in the company? Or?
I feel like there has got to be a healthy way to go about this. Tourism- fine. Deep Sea exploration- fine. Deep Sea Tourism- fine. But just use the right materials. Do the right math. Retire the submersible when need be. If money is your biggest concern, you are doing it wrong. Stockton Rush said his submersible is what the iPhone was to Android. iPhones are known for breaking .🤨
The bodies are long gone. How many people do you think have died in all of history? Almost everywhere is a 'grave site' if you think about all the people before us. Why are you all upset about that particular grave site? Selective thinking.
@@slimetooomob1656 What has the depth got to do with it? Thousands of people die every day. Billions before us. Why are you all upset about Titanic deaths in particular? Did you cry watching the movie?
It just wasn't his time to go.And the titan hadn't been damaged by all the other trips down to the titanic. So sad 5 lives have to be lost before they have to be inspected
I just saw a video that showed the two titanium end caps being attached to the carbon fiber hull with epoxy glue applied to the seams in an uneven amount using a normal paintbrush while in a non-sterile environment. It was as sloppy as a carpenter using wood glue.
His closing remark gets to the heart of informed consent. The customers did not know of the risks because OceanGate sued and threatened to sue anyone who raised the problem of safety and certification. So on the one hand they were asking customers to sign a waiver, meanwhile they were suing and sending lawyers threats to silence critics.
@@jasontimothywells9895t’s a shit show. That’s why true, calculated, and verified innovation should be heralded. Companies that are about the product-at-hand’s capabilities vs the money that comes from the product. The money will always come if the work is good. If it’s bad, you won’t have anything left eventually. Like Stockton…who doesn’t exist now. What a transaction.
@@Narusasu98 It's true and easily verified. Court cases are public record. OCEANGATE INC., a Washington corporation, Plaintiff, v. DAVID LOCHRIDGE and CAROLE REID LOCHRIDGE, and the marital community composed thereof, Defendants. Summarizing the causes of action, OceanGate sought to punish and silence Lochridge for betraying company secrets. Even blaming him for making them fire him. Lochridge's counterclaims revealed that the people he revealed those secrets to were OSHA. The settled the case by a stipulation, the terms of which are not public, but almost certainly silencing Lochridge, that's probably why you have not seen him make any public statements even now.
@@Narusasu98 In addition to the lawsuit the New Yorker article from a few days ago describes the two people Lochridge spoke to about his concerns after being fired (other sub experts) the proprietary information he retained, the safety report, and his complaint to OSHA that he had been fired in retaliation for raising safety concerns and sent OSHA the safety report in an attempt to save lives. He is 100% a whistleblower for all the right reasons.
After now hearing several reports like this one, it's obvious these subversibles are simply a death trap - people not scientifically qualified should never have been allowed step into them. I feel so sad about the boy who went simply because he wanted to please his father for Father's Day.
tbh I'd feel a lot worse about it if it were filled with scientifically qualified people like marine biologists and professional submariners rather than extreme tourists. Submersibles are generally quite safe though, the CEO of this company even used it as a talking point in his marketing...too bad his implementation wasn't.
It's not submersibles in general that are a danger it was this one in particular due to its poor design incorrect material and lack of safety testing. If he had built the sub using tried and tested materials . Submersible subs have been making deep water dives to the Titanic and Many places Even deeper without incident . Correctly engineered and constructed subs with proper testing are not a problem. They have been diving the Titanic since 1985.
@@treelineresearch3387 But how could anybody, ESPECIALLY people such as scientists or submariners etc, consent to take such a perilous dive in something not 'passed' by safety and rescue registrants, knowing there was no backup tracker, no rescue beacon attached, and that they'd be bolted in with no possible way of escape even if in shallow water? There's a video where Stockton Rush is blatantly boasting about having broken safety rules for submersibles and admitting that he used incompatible materials to construct it! It now has been revealed that he also received several warnings from such people about this vessel! Does this mean he simply didn't advise the people on board? If that is so, imo this would have to amount to at least manslaughter of his 4 passengers.
@@adamwatson6916 "If he had built the sub using tried and tested materials" Then it would have been to expensive and out of reach for public use which was the whole point of doing it. The Titanic used tried and tested materials. Even certified by experts!
A sphere is the only shape capable of resisting the massive forces at that depth...a cylinder shape has the weakness of the flat end panels compounded by the fact that they were dissimilar materials and by all accounts poorly bonded...
Yes, the shape of Titan seems bizarre, given the forces at that depth. As you say, a sphere serves to distribute the forces evenly and lock in strength . . .
Notice how it's all these old retired people going down there and risking their lives because they lived their life to the fullest and have nothing to lose. No young person should be allowed on these expeditions, I really feel sorry for the 19 year old.
They probably accepted anyone who was willing put money in their pockets. In the end, you gotta think it was really more about money than anything else, when a company is not even willing to certify it's vessel. Ya, it's sad...but also hard to pity anyone who didn't do their due diligence before doing this kind of extreme voyage.
If it is in international waters, who would have the jurisdiction to make such a declaration? Cruise companies get away with doing zero investigations into the rapes and murders that happen on cruise ships by saying "we were in international waters, no police force as the authority to investigate, no country has any authority over any alleged crime" They leave many traumatized families in their wake in each, while pocketing the cash.
@@panda4247 That is a legit point. There is no one coherent way of approaching this area. Though maybe there simply isn't. The unwritten rule seems to be...the older a site is, the more it becomes "archeology". In the case of the Edmund Fitzgerald no one is allowed to dive the wreck anymore, but that is somewhat due to the peculiar conditions of Lake Superior. It's so cold, bodies last and last. Though I believe it is also illegal for anyone to try to get to the wreck of the Estonia in the Baltic. However both those cases are of areas where the wreck is in the waters of a specific country, or there is a treaty about what countries have official interest or say about the area of the wreck.
I've been saying the same. Even if that submersible was made of titanium a foot thick and had every safety feature that guaranteed nothing would go wrong, I still wouldn't go.
I would go - just not on Titan. This is a super safe industry with no accidents in like 50 years for multiple certified ships. Then they yahoo comes along, in uncertified ship b/c he does not want to spend $$$ to get it certified. Makes it out of carbon fiber that everyone says is unsafe. End result is 5 people dead.
This was a great interview. The guest was thoughtful and logical, and he told an uncluttered story. The interviewer came across as interested in the guest, not performing or calling attention to herself.
I commend his bravery. I would never have gotten the courage to do it. Sometimes I think of things I said no to and wonder if I missed out. But maybe missing out isn’t always the worst thing in life.
From a BBC article on the incident- “Experts have questioned the safety of Titan and how private sector deep-sea expeditions are regulated. Concerns have been raised over the Titan's experimental design and the carbon fibre material used to build it. More than three dozen industry leaders and experts even signed a 2018 letter to Mr Rush that warned OceanGate's approach could lead to "catastrophic" problems” “The industry has been trying for several years to get Stockton Rush to halt his programme for two reasons," said Rob McCallum, a specialist who runs his own ocean expedition company, told the BBC on Friday. "One is that carbon fibre is not an acceptable material," he said. "The other is that this was the only submersible in the world doing commercial work that was unclassed. It was not certified by an independent agency." Why this arrogant egotistical bastard, Stockton Rush, wasn’t under investigation should definitely be a part of the conversation by now. Rob McCallum was even threatened by lawyers for Rush and Oceangate if he went public with these safety concerns. This clown should’ve been arrested and charged for just attempting to sell tickets to tour the wreckage of the Titanic aboard an experimental and uncertified vessel.
This guy seems like hes off in his own world. He says "a company as professional as Ocean Gate" when they are the epidemy of unprofessional, cutting corners playing with lives. Laughs when he says they found his wasted almonds the next day, they hadn't even cleaned the sub before the next launch. This breaks my mind.
He didn't want to hire qualified people because he didn't want anyone to tell him anything he wanted dumbed down yes men that was inspirational to him young smart men but also unqualified with no experience.
This guy was quite literally one of the lucky ones.
I’m thinking to myself, he should go play lotto.
@@laurenurban3942Hahaha for real
Yup. Admits it was unproven and still took a ride
Followed his gut feeling,good for him
There is your answer, nothing ever happen to him because he was the camera man
Omg this man actually said “a company as professional as OcenGate”??? I am an engineer with 27 years of experience and I will say it now. Corners were cut, materials and equipment used were NOT of the highest standards by any means, inspections and tests were few and the truth will all come out! This should NEVER have happened. There are two ways to do things. The right way and the way OceanGate did them.
Absolutely correct. Unbelievable this was somehow allowed to even take place. Surely there was some appointed Authority that would and should have prevented this insane risk-taking with unsuspecting and uninformed people's lives?
agreed. you would think billionaires would consult another professional with a simple "hey man, do you think this thing is safe??" they are constantly performing the due diligence to protect and grow their wealth, but when it comes to their life? sheeesh....
Exactly.
Being wealthy doesn't make you smart. That's what I got from watergate.
@@chrismurray4439 my guess is they were putting the same faith they would in a commercial airline pilot into this Oceangate guy
The fact that they did not even clean up the spilled almonds inside the titan before the next trip says everything
Lmao idk why this made me chuckle
Yeah, I picked up on that, too. It's pretty telling.
Right im a housekeeper and the second he said that I was like 😬😬 I know that’s not the point but man that grossed me out 😂😂
@@backdoorsluts_9 housekeeper that goes by the name backdoorsluts
@@18alex😂😂😂😂
I’m not an engineer, never served as a submariner in the US Navy, but as much as the Titanic has always fascinated me, one look at that contraption would have made me take a hard pass on a dive on it.
Gee you'd think violating a grave sight would be enough of an incentive.
But hey if you dont have a surviving family member to convince you of your illness go fo it!
On some other vessel if you get that chance.
Oh by the way sir or madam! Do you mind if I get a craft and dig around your families grave(s)?
Being bolted in from the outside is such a cheap-arse solution and then you've got the game controller, wiring plastic tied to the outside and laptops that could fly around if they lost control, no seating or restraints. Yup, I'm with you. I wouldn't take that thing in a puddle.
@@annakeye being bolted in is fine if there is an explosive bolt backup system in case if it has to come to the surface unexpectedly
I don't like the word "explosive" there, is that really a thing? (Genuinely curious, like OP I'm not a marine engineer or anything close. 😁)
@@arianaajbeaverhausen8175 Yes, explosive bolts are a real thing. If you saw The Right Stuff, the explosive bolts blew the hatch off of Gus Grissom’s (Fred Ward played him) space capsule on splash down and it flooded and sank. When the Space Shuttle was being tested for its glide to landing, explosive bolts separated the Shuttle from atop the 747. In the 1967 Apollo 1 disaster that killed Grissom, Ed White and Roger Chaffee, there were no explosive bolts and no way for them to get out from inside, and the fire expanded and tightened the hatch so much it could not be opened even from the outside. They’re a last ditch safety/emergency exit system. Many military jets have them to jettison the canopy or hatch so the pilot/crew can eject, and they fire first when the ejection is initiated. The seat and crew follow milliseconds later and a solid fueled rocket fires them away from the airplane. All happens in about 2 seconds. Explosive bolts would not have saved the 5 people in the Titan disaster, but would have allowed them to get out if they’d made it to the surface and not been found before their air supply was exhausted. They’d have suffocated if not found quickly because they could not open it from inside. I’m not an engineer, just a life long aerospace nerd who reads up on this stuff.
This is a prime example of why engineering should NEVER cut corners for the sake of money, especially when lives are at stake!
Especially when you are dealing with THE OCEAN at depths. 🤯 Stockton Stockton Rush was Insane.
@@samscarletta7433Insane: AND a con artist and narcissist.
The sub was built with cheaper equipment, and they charged 250,000 $ per person for the ride.
*should HAVE (not should of)
*would have (not would of)
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Yeah. All the trips he's taken with it he could've built a submersible suitable for diving that deep. They've been doing it for decades now and he didn't care to take note from them smh.
Think of how many times you made a stupid decision and still got lucky. He's one of them.
Right lol his face got that "damn I got lucky" look
Does he realize that?
He called the company professional
@@alexandraalbertz1442 Something is missing in him in my opinion. Or in anyone who does that, at least in THAT thing.
@@tropicanaborgatta8335 i think is the element of fear. But they have elements we do not have. Great adventure, thrill seeking etc. I am passionate about Everest (to read about it not to go there) and there are a different kind of people. We need to respect their decissions. They made it at full capacity. They knew the risks and they paid the consequences. We do not have to judge them. God rest them in peace.
... like a lot of drivers on the roads these days.
Celebrating a CEO who thought he knew more about the industry than every other industry expert. Its that type of hubris that got all 5 of them killed. He gambled with other people's lives and finally an unfortunate few had to pay the price.
Guy was a moron, I only feel bad for the 4 men who trusted him with their lives
No one even knows the exact cause yet
He even said some racist things about white people. He hated his own kind. He was far left woke lunatic blinded by his vision.
@@SI29222
Catastrophic implosion was the cause. The hull was not structurally sound at that depth, and though the OceanGate Titan had made the trip safely many times before, that doesn't mean the sub itself was able to handle that level of pressure.
@@SI29222 we don't know what part of the submersible failed, but we do know that the design and use of carbon fiber in that manner would eventually fail. That's what ever expert told Rush and he proved all of them right. We also know that submersibles have been going down to the Titanic for 30 years, and this flowed design is the only one that failed.
Sure go if you have years behind you and fully understand the risk- but to allow a young person on board ….heart breaking
It's sad for sure that a 19 year old kid died, but it's also ironic, we regularly send off "men" of a similar age to die in wars, they just often happen to be poor.. When it's the son of a wealthy businessman they are suddenly innocent children. Again, not saying I disagree with the idea he was a innocent kid, but we as a society are pretty hypocritical and value some lives over others.
@@-Zevin-You're not lying. Had this been a poor or brown kid I doubt the sympathies would've been like this. RIP to all of them
He was a rich brown kid I believe he was Pakistani
@@yestotea Keyword here being "rich". People all too often get hung up on racism and ignore the all to real and very prevalent classism.
@@lonerebeIyour average person would care regardless of color
He made an interesting slip of the tongue when he talked of the dive he went on he said “That was an experiment (then corrected himself) an experience in itself” . I think he was right the first time. It was essentially still an experimental craft and all those passenger paid a lot of money to be guinae pigs.
Those passengers signed a waiver in black and white that said they were being used as a guinea pig on an experimental sub. They read it and they signed it and then they died.
He meant to say "experience", just a misspeak... don't read that much into it
He was trying to give us a secret message. Did you see his body language and blinks? He had all nice things to say. Blink blink. Then at the very end he was like hell no I wouldn’t go on that thing you crazy?! I’m pretty sure he’s being held captive.
@@chuckfan1 oh I am aware of what he meant to say. I am pointing out the irony of his mistake, because the craft was in fact experimental.
@@ZacharyWilluhhhh
Crazy how many people agreed to get bolted into a tin can to see rusted wreckage. This company was very secretive about how much that tin can was an actual tin can.
I can't wrap my head around even the owner knowingly going down to insane pressures with a sub made with questionable strength, even told it's only good for a quarter of that pressure. I wouldn't go 12,000 feet even if it was rated for 30,000. Nope.
@@mikewillett5076 I feel like billionaires in particular believe they're invincible. They are so far removed from their fellow humans they think they're an entirely separate entity and that nothing that applies to others applies to them. They are also incredibly arrogant. Nothing could possibly go wrong for THEM, until it does.
@luigidimario yup they got a weird complex that they're going to save the world because they're smarter than everyone. They're not stupid (usually) but they live in an alternate reality for sure.
Ikr they can instead stay a few nights at the Queen mary ship hotel in longbeach CA. Looks like the Titanic.
tbh, i would as well.
Why would you bring your teenage child on such a risky adventure? Even if my child begged me to go I would have said no. This is even more sad when you read reports of the 19-year-old son telling a family member he was terrified and was only going to please his Titanic-obsessed father.
Exactly, why would u allow them to do that?
Pakistani parents are very very pressuring, it can get suffocating but regardless of that the son is a angel, he wanted to spend father's day with his father.. oh my heart is in pieces. I cannot imagine how painful that would be. Fly high Suleman Dawood 🕊️
The whole attitude throughout was one of chasing an adrenalin rush regardless of risk or consequences - similar to what you feel as a kid when going on a Disney theme park type ride. Totally irresponsible and totally stupid. If death traps for tourists is what some people refer to as 'research' or 'exploration', I say they need get a grip on reality.
Find the video of the father and son from Vegas that backed out last minute and that father and son replaced them. Vegas family did their research and said "oh hell no". The CEO was texting them and had even lowered the price to $150K
Awful
"Futility" was a book published in 1898, about 14 years before the Titanic sank. The book was a fictional story about a ship like the Titanic that sank after hitting an iceberg. The name of the ship in the book was "Titan". Ironic that Rush named his submersible Titan. Almost like he was asking for lightning.
Titans were the gods who preceeded the Greek Gods and of them Oceanus ruled the sea. But you are right names have resonance. The feds are going to crack down on this type of tourism so it doesn't happen again. The US Coast Guard blew their budget for the year on this big rescue so maybe Congress will increase their budget for Y2024. A lot of people in the industry say Congress needs to increase spending on oceanic research.
@@WindTurbineSyndrome The can give em all the money in the world. The ocean will forever remain a mystery and fully unattainable, just like up above. We were put in this specific place for a reason and however this place came 2 be, the only way out is returning back 2 the ground we arose from.
It also proves that going full speed in an iceberg field, is the dumbest thing one can do. Even a writer knows it.
@@WindTurbineSyndromeI think the feds won’t need to do much. After this, who would want to take the chance of getting killed to make the dive? The days of Titanic tourism are pretty much over.
They were also gods of the underworld… just saying
It is obvious that if something went wrong, you are doomed. 😢
And remember they are going to see an unsinkable ship. Oh! The irony.
Yea, just look at the freaking 3rd party console controller 🥶
and obvious that something WILL go wrong.
@@tropicanaborgatta8335 yes, Murphys law in action.
Titanic - Titan(ic). Too eerie!
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after the check clears
The simple fact that you can have tourists aboard an uncertifiable ship is puzzling.
It's in international waters, nobody has jurisdiction to regulate it.
@@TransoceanicOutreach it's a myth. Ship flags serve this purpose. The Convention on the High Seas, which many countries have signed, state that in international waters, any law that applies to the country whose flag the vessel flies is governed by its flag country. Also, The UNCLOS Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), in addition to the laws of the flag country, governs international waters. Despite their role as a means of freedom and exploration, the high seas are still governed by registry and UNCLOS laws. This was clearly a well disguised exploration mission in order to bypass some laws, which Stockton Rush was a specialist in.
What happens when you don't fly a flag?
Much of the Ocean estate is simply not regulated, and for whatever laws made there's very little manpower to enforce it, it's almost just the wild wild west out there cuz it's just such a treacherous zone.
@@DelphiAmnestied The mothership was the only vessel that was flagged. The deathtrap was not .
Ocean gate is a "professional company"? No, that is a false statement. Thr ceo literally said that safety regulations were a waste of time, and only held up progress.
OceansFate is now a defunct shit company
Stockton's engineering and business decisions basically make him look like psychotic murderer right now. If you ignore nautical engineers in the submersible industry, and greenlight yourself past strict safety regulations because of your "innovation", at that point you are basically using your customers, aka tourists, or what OceanGate called their "mission specialists" as lab rats and you are in fact psychotic.
@@comawhite1155 Agreed.
This guy just swallowed the sales pitch and is too embarrassed or deluded to acknowledge the failure of this entire company.
Ego. Survivors privileged and can’t publicly admitted they were conned.
@@hopbup7401 🙄
I agree. Listening to his glowing review of the company and CEO just baffles me. When all the evidence and substance is saying that this was a money grab and a big safety red flag.
The Old Farts Club. They believe and buy into any other white guy who talks fast and flashes cash.
He relayed his experience, and he clearly said he would not go again, knowing what he knows now.
That stockton guy jeopardized the lives of so many people, everytime he bamboozled them into that submersible trashcan...although he might be considered a visionary to some, his lust for the Titanic and his greedy ambitions ended the lives of those poor souls, especially the 19 year old kid. RIP.
"Visionary" lol
It was all about getting that money for him to make more of those death traps. It’s was out of his hands if something went wrong because they all signed a contract. Greedy.
He wasn't a visionary at all. There are way, way more hi-tech subs than this.
I doubt it was all about the money, he risked his life on most if not all of these trips as well. You might want to learn the word "Empathy."
Each and every passenger chose to take the trip. Noone forced them. They had the option to pick from every single available submarine to take down there. Them not being diligent and choosing the safest possible craft is completely on each of them. I would never have set foot in that coral reef viewing craft. Totally fine to go scoot around the great barrier reef or check out the sea floor in the Bahamas
But going to the depths of the ocean without knowledge of the depths, pressures, required specifications, and all other things related is completely reckless. I don't know much about depth traveling but I do know I wouldn't descend in something without a tether, and external air supply line, external power line, remote operation capabilities in case the subs controls malfunction, tracking systems, and either hardline communication systems or at the minimum actual radio communications, and a winch for the mothership to pull the craft back from the depths. The fact that these people didn't think any of that was necessary is what got them this outcome. We get one life. You make your choices. They all made theirs.
To be fair this guy is 91 years old. I don’t think he’s too worried about not making it back versus the 19 year old teenager who died in there
Yeah, and you could tell his age when he said "creative MEN." There are lots of creative women out there, and my guess is that they would be more cautious and sensible.
@@Amy-tl2xe "men" is also short for "human" or "mankind". It doesn't always refer to a particular sex.
91 yrs old ,O.M.G. he is as bright as a button and looks way way younger .
91! Wow. Looks 70
91!? damn he must be on that TRT. dude looks phenomenal for 91.
Carbon fiber fatigues under compression very easily and quickly, so making Titan's hull out of carbon fiber was insanely stupid. The hull would have worked perfectly fine for a few dives (which it did), but microscopic fatigue stress fractures would eventually lead to catastrophic failure (which it did). If the Oceangate CEO had put the Titan through certifications, the inspectors would've told him this and not certified the vessel. Of course, that's exactly why Oceangate didn't want to go through the certification process.
And it would have cost him 20 grand.
Not much considering the cost of the journey.
Right even James Cameron said that mad years ago someone had the idea to use carbon fiber and James said that's a real and idea back then
You win for best comment. I'm a retired Nuke Safety Guy. You are absolutely correct. I had a lot of "Go-Or-No-Go" say over critical operations, for Governmental and Non Governmental Organizations going back to Sun Ship's Guppy and the Glomar Explorer. This contraption had failure written all over it. His selection of Critical Operators was abysmal. I haven't heard the words Written Procedures on any Podcast or "News Cast". Sheer Narcissism and Greed took this "Crew" down, all the way from the Bilge Mate to the Captain to the Designer.
Another example proving that the phrase "do your own research" can actually save your life. This guy didnt do his research, but got lucky. RIP to those 5 who weren't so lucky.
What do you mean he said he knew he would die if anything went wrong. Even if the sub was stuck he knew he was dead. That is fare he knew the risk..
@@1k20a
Scientists expert In knowing the materials suitable to withstand deep sea pressures said the sub failed to meet required standard. Apparently there had been warnings. Anyone who did their own research would have given the dive a miss.
@@1k20a It seems the extreme risk didn't sink in as being a very real one.
Fascinating to get the viewpoint from someone who was excited to go on this trip.
Interesting to understand their motivation and thought process.
I didn't discern a thought process in this man. He was deliberately ignorant, incurious.
@@kwillow12 - deliberately ignorant and incurious? That's what you got from this? Fascinating...
Yes, definitely.
@@JoeyMartzthe phrase "a company as professional as Oceangate" said it all, didn't it? Anyone curious and slightly knowledgeable would know better, this man was just happy to be invited along. He sounds like he just wants to be able to say "I visited the Titanic" so happily puts his life in the hands of a business man. Does that sound to you like he gave this much thought? 😂
@@hazelrobertson9415 alrighty then.
Oceangate can't be that professional if the CEO said repeatedly that safety was a waste of money.
They weren't, the company officially said they are no more, heard twice people working there, the younger stupid ones,porked in that sub while it was dry docked, and few guys had a circle jerk in it, see what the news doesn't tell ya
While charging quarter of a million for a seat in this unsafe vessel.
@@turfterf6874 yes, safety's not a concern, because you're going to be dead anyway if even if the slightest thing goes wrong....
If Titan had been in service for 2-3 years and had completed several round trips to ocean floor, then IMO "material fatigue" was a factor here. That carbon composite had never been used before and the preferred shape--a sphere--was rejected in favor of a cone. Had Titan been a titanium sphere, then this disaster may not have occurred. CEO of Oceangate wanted a cone shape in order to fit more passengers than a sphere.
Exactly. Pressure vessels only can handle a preset number of cycles as you mention. Unfortunately, the people on this trip didn't realize this vessel was done. I seriously doubt the company periodically tested or inspected the vessel based on other reports that they deliberately skirted some safety issues when constructing the vessel because it would cause delays. It sounds like some of the travelers were so enthralled with seeing the Titanic that it outweighed their thoughts about safety. So very sad for the 19 year old boy who wanted to please his dad.
I have read that the carbon fibre begins to leak microscopically and break down.
Not to mention, this submersibles hull was carbon fibre…
Carbon fibre pressure vessels are common for positive pressure containers.. such as for compressed gasses.. the container under a tension load
In the application of a submersible, the hull will be under a compression load
Carbon fibre is strong under tension, weak under compression
Not an ideal material for this particular application
There’s some brilliant engineers and material scientists out there who could make it work I’m sure
But I’d imagine the challenges outweigh the benefits for such a small company like this one
@Davie_Jay ..it's the same with a carbon fibre bike, fine cracks can appear with use.
That CEO didn't impress me at all.
This is clearly an example of someone who would rather look insane than be made a fool of
According to the CEO, this man was NOT a tourist. ALL of these people are referred to as “MISSION SPECIALISTS “. ARE YOU KIDDING ME ??
Ya, well this guy probably loved that, and ya gotta sell tickets
Yeah, the bulshit was pretty thick on the ground there.
yep. that's how they got around the regulations...
They're not "tourists" on a "tourist vessel" who "pay for the trip"... therefore the trip is not a "commercial activity" and is not regulates as such with all the certifications and rules and insurances
They are "mission specialists" on "the experimental vehicle" for the "project they participate on and finance"... therefore it's all a "private experimental mission". Basically, you can't stop me from building my own sub and going down in it.. And the paperwork made it so that they were part of the group and it was their project and their sub... or something like that.
That would have been the first sign of shoddyness and shadyness, even if I knew nothing about material physics and deep sea exploration (which most of us don't me included)
Yeah…an there is no war in ukraine…
Is just a special military operation in which russians shoot whatever moves…!!!
But it is not a war!!
Mission specialists at work!!😤 sometimes i really think and wonder what is wrong with human kind…🫣🤣
Yeah…an there is no war in ukraine…
Is just a special military operation in which russians shoot whatever moves…!!!
But it is not a war!!
Mission specialists at work!!😤 sometimes i really think and wonder what is wrong with human kind…🫣🤣
I appreciate this mans' honesty. Such a horrible ending for all on board.
I dont know if it was horrible for them. For their loved ones yes for sure. But they probably were mesmerized by the ocean and then off 2 wherever we end up when our time hear on earth is over.
Now if it was a slow death I 100% agree with you. But from all the reports were hearing it was instant.
@@MrAddidas2 you're right. I've been watching videos on it and reading about it a lot today. I've been hearing this quite a bit today. It's a comfort to know it was instant.
@@laurafloyd6554 Yeah it was instant. They would not have felt a thing and probably wouldn't have even known anything was wrong. It's a lot better than being stuck on the seabed waiting for your oxygen to run out.
@@raflaughter3474 Apparently, before they imploded they would hear the hull cracking.
@@MrAddidas2 Mesmerized by what? Darkness? They most likely died before they reached the bottom.
Very informative. This dude is lucky he made it back !!
There is your answer, nothing ever happen to him because he was the camera man, when there are camera men involved everything will be all-right
@@alexshatner3907I don't think he was in the same designed one?..
@@joannemurdock7899 yes he was. It was just new back then. They did not do maintenance. Carbon fiber cannot last
@DDd-gm8uz Sender over, bringum young University
@@lamay7238They didnt even clean the almonds he spilled out
My dad is an adventurer' and every time he embarks on one of those risky trips, he gives us a big hug. He is a firm believer that a risky adventure could cause his death but that doesn't t stop him from going., he is 83 years old and maybe in the near future he will put an end to his passion for the uncertain and the excitement of the unknown.
Some folks are just wired that way--they need the adrenaline to feel alive. Some in my family are like that--not me, though!
I understand that.. for some reason I’m itching to go on a submarine tour. I’ve been on one before (only 300 ft deep) and would love to go. Despite the news, the ocean is still amazing and it’s natural to want to explore
@taylormorrison7486 Im a firm believer that when is your time to go ''' no matter what, you will go..................but if is no meant to be, you can take all kind risks and you will still be here.
@kuhnemund6523 I just go on extreme rides to feel that high. No need to take super risks like the titan sub.
@@chuckh4077 That's me too!!!
Don’t ever go where you can’t get rescued RIP all that was lost
Well, you can't get rescued flying either.
@@auralplex Maybe he doesn't fly either.🤣
@@auralplexAt least you die instantly - not panicking in something the size of a mini-van with no way out, no way to communicate, no way for any rescue for days on end. I'll take flying any day of the week over something like this . . . - Susan Burns
NASA does everything where people can't be rescued if they got stuck
How many die?
It actually cost more than $250,000. It cost them their lives. That was just a down payment. Sometimes common sense saves you.
Most times!
Surprising how few people have that anymore.
@@lennybrewster4673 One of the hardest things in life is living with ppl who don't have it.
Cowardness saves!!!
They paid $500,000 to be killed and buried at sea and forever be part of titanic history
Wow! He’s very fortunate that his number wasn’t up. Probably going to think about this, every day, for the rest of his life.
He said he's been thinking about that trip for the past years earlier in this video
He made the statement that if he would have known then what he knows now he wouldn’t have gone. So he risked his life without making sure all T’s where crossed and all I’s where dotted. I would have done all the research I could and made sure everything was certified before going to the bottom of the damn ocean. Unbelievable
@@SSTillmanEsq It seems this proves that any craving for adrenalin rush-type experiences should be forced to submit to reason and that NO journeys of this kind be permitted unless that enforcement level is met in full. Any human being who respected the lives of others wouldn't have allowed them to be subjected to such insane risks. Perhaps this was part of the 'adrenalin rush' Mr Rush seems to have craved?
@@ashleycountiss720 And then he called OceanGate "a professional company". What a stupidnagle!
That submarine was basically a russian roulette of who lived or died. This guy is very lucky to be alive.
Looks like The Gambler came and took the wheel
One of the other people who went on a dive with Stockton said, "I feel like I won at Russian Roulette." He's probably right.
He just said exactly what I've been thinking all along. People that went down in that submersible were not aware of the controversy and the warnings from experts about the safety concerns. And are not in a position to really know anything about the proper construction of a submersible to have seen any red flags themselves.
So many people seem to think the four passengers knew how rickety that submersible was and just didn't care. I seriously doubt they had a clue.
They had to sign a waiver that literally says the sub is not certified by regulatory bodies. For successful businessmen, they were pretty stupid.
@@BurnCKCthat waiver won't mean much if it comes out that any information was withheld.
If you have enough money to take the ride, then you should invest some money into researching the risks.
This was like taking a road trip from new York to Texas in a 1986 chevette with a weak head gasket .
You still would have had a better chance in the Chevette
@@dodgeking9194 At least when the gasket blows you could get out and walk! lol
@@bobjohnson205 true
It's incomprehensible that someone would avoid certification, a blatant red flag. But just as much so that passengers would take the risk when there were other competitors who followed logic and conscience and got certification. What an insane interview.
Forget certification, what about testing. Going to 400 Bar depth? You test for 800. And not just once, but at least 200 dive cycles worth, or the expected lifetime of the sub.
Fail? back to drawing board. CFC may be unsuitable, but wrap enough of it arouynd a vessel and eventually it will withstand the pressure.
So besides certification, a lack of thorough testing - that's even more unforgivable for an engineer.
Can't let those pesky regulators get in the way of profits, telling him to spend more money on safety.
There isnt any certification for those depths. Its a donat your own risk type scenario. No organization wants that liability of certifying these things
@@nonofyourbusiness7631 You are correct that there is no bonafide way of certifying, but using scale models one can calculate the risk of implosion, and include the degradation of the materials. This way a fair risk assessment can be made. Now we can only surmise the CFCs failed, which they probably did. But that's beside my point.
It's almost as if they were just mocking death - challenging it to take them. Absolutely sickening.
So they didn’t even clean the nuts up from the mission before? It seems like the company cut corners top to bottom 🤦♂️
Thank you for sharing the story David. It was intriguing to hear your experience.
He's easily impressed. That sub looks like something you could put together based on a 10-minute youtube video.
My great uncle was a marine biologist for the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago. He had this Styrofoam cup he said they had taken down to the trench, and it went from a big gulp cup, to a small shot glass. It was one of the most fascinating things (to me) from his work there. I can't even begin to comprehend not just imploding from that pressure, but knowing it's likely going to happen, because you're descending too fast, and can't do anything about it... The fear from knowing the inevitable is truly unimaginable... I pray for their souls to have peace, and for God to look over their loved ones.
I guess this is not as unique a thing as I thought.
I saw a TikTok video yesterday that a guy was showing off 4-5 tiny styrofoam cups. When they were big he drew a picture of the titanic on each one, signed it, then took them down to the titanic and when they brought them back up they were close to the size of the thimble.
@@winstagram1785 Yep. Same here. It absolutely blew my mind.
is your uncle in that video with the styrofoam cup @winstagram1785 mentioned? I saw that briefly
You pray for their souls??? The people on board The Titan were a bunch of Wealthy A-holes with a Morbid fascination of seeing he final resting place where something like 1500 souls were lost tragically when The Titanic struck an iceberg and the designers of that ship simply didn't provide enough lifeboats to accommodate everyone on board... No one deserves to die like the people on The Titan but they were all informed of the Great risk involved and they chose to proceed at their own peril... All one can say is that they probably didn't suffer...
Lack of wisdom on the leadership of this company
Glad he answered honestly about not doing it if he had the proper knowledge. I would bet that those who perished would have said the same thing. The company is negligent for not disclosing all information before taking passengers down. Truly a tragedy.
They signed the waiver. No excuses
@@baileypanama The waiver is supposed to disclose everything . If it was not disclosed it was.nt legal .
@@baileypanama waivers aren't absolute when it comes to legality. and those three other victim wouldn't have known that.
But they did disclose all the important information they would have needed to know in the waiver. They literally say “ this submersible hasn’t been certified for safety by any government body or agency” that’s all I would have needed to know right there
This is where the wager that they signed will get torn to shreds in court if it goes there.
I find it odd that this man seems to speak so glowingly about the Titan, and Stockton Rush, yet the one man that backed out of this specific dive said it was because there were so many red flags and safety concerns. I mean, I've seen video's of some of the parts that were used, that had other original intended uses. Heck, I wouldn't have been surprised to hear if part of it was held together with duct tape. You could not have paid me a billion dollars to go down on this thing. And all of that is confirmed after hearing James Cameron talking today about just how flawed this thing was, and that he wished he had sounded his concerns, voiced them loudly, earlier.
I think the reason he is speaking so glowingly is because you are witnessing someone with an explorer mindset. This man was excited by the talk, by the idea of it... just like the people who died on the side of Everest who had no business climbing it, thinking it was a bucket list thing... which, I guess it was. The way I look at Oceangate is the same way I look at the Wild West... people who are risking their lives doing things that have not been proven safe. My family and I went on a trip to Hawaii and had thought about doing a helicopter tour... I did so much research and found that, not only had several people died not that long before in a crash, but the time of year we were going the weather would be risky. It literally took me an inch of research to decide I didn't want to gamble. The folks that paid money to die clearly were taken in and did not do their own due diligence. I am just sad that Rush took them with him.
@@Madamegato Yeah! I totally agree with what you are saying! Adventurers sometimes are the most prone to danger, because they are doing what others aren't! I don't think the trip itself would be very dangerous if it had been tested with different materials or in general just TESTED! The problem comes in from all the other factors that make the actual trip sort of a dumb idea. It's TOO deep, no one can go help, it's a submarine so it's already way more limited. OceanGate just proved that being adventurous without weighing the risks will eventually bite you. It sucks to hear him say "CEO died drinking his own Kool Aid" because he really did die, thinking "it's safe" instantly.
I envisioned duct tape holding components of the sub together when I first read about the lawsuits filed against OceanGate by a former employee.
As a Floridian I recognize and respect the fix-it power of duct tape lol. But I've also flown on a small passenger plane that had duct tape very clearly applied over cracks around my window. Maybe it was nothing in terms of real risk, but I never forgot the chill that went down my spine 😳 Now whenever I hear about shoddy craftsmanship in situations like this, I think "was there duct tape? 🤔"
I think it's all part of the delusive and addictive adrenalin rush some people get from taking extreme risks.
He says in the end he wouldnt do it again knowing all the issues, he basically got lucky and went on one of the successful trips which would have been an experience of a lifetime. Being an explorer or whatever doesnt make you aware of all the technical things engineers and so on are. I may have missed it but I dont think he was or is qualified to understand the structural aspects of it. Personally I wonder what/how much the other passengers on this one inquired about regarding the structure or if they were just like hey sign up for a ride to Titanic! and just assumed it was trustworthy.
This was the most interesting interview ever that I ever heard what a lucky man and so brave god bless him
SMH what the!
This guy was quite literally one of the lucky ones.. This guy was quite literally one of the lucky ones..
Imagine how lucky/stupid the previous passengers must feel.
Clueless , yes , specially now that we know it was a low quality submarine .
Imagine the survivors guilt 😢
@@xoEmilyAnnexo11 Um no. More like thankful I wasnt on that specific trip. Having guilt for something you had absolutely nothing 2 do with is a bit much.
Not enough food nor water, no safety protocols nor safeguards! No common sense! This man knew better, but went anyway, still encouraging others to create more such subs! Crazy!
the biggest problem was NO redundancy. By the time the warning alert sounded they allegedly have 4 seconds to do nothing but await their fate. The federal govt is sending the NTSB to investigate believe me new regs are coming and they will shut this type of "tourism" and DIY submersible industry down for good.
smart but not much common sense, very common
You don’t know if you’re claustrophobic until you get sealed in, You could puke as well as smell shit if someone goes to the toilet out of nervousness
@@WindTurbineSyndrome Shouldn't have been allowed at all. Wondering how come it was.
@@lesliepropheter5040 you know you're claustrophobic if you feel uneasy in an elevator.
This guy was so lucky, he should thank the Lord every day
He should
He generously throws out words such as “professional” and “visionary” for Oceangate and Rush, then ends the interview by saying if he had known of the criticism three years prior to his trip, he would not have gone.
He probably signed a contract. He can’t say anything bad about Oceangate. Just tell their neutral experiences about the voyage under the sea.
Thinking about these men trapped in an inescapable space (possibly in darkness) wrecked my heart. The idea that they suffered none of that is a relief.
Im a Oceanographic Survey Engineer. When i first saw pictures of this Sub i thought it looked a bit amateur. Its thrusters are tiny for the size of it and it only appears to have 4. I cant see any transponders on it (these are always used for locating things under the vessel), the cabling on the outside should really be tied of better or put in some bundles and the fact they seem to have gone for a much cheaper “lid” that bolts on than a proper door. It all leaves me with a sort of feeling of inexperience, amateurish outfit. Im sure there is some great innovations but the sub seems to be lacking somewhat.
This guy. He must be feeling somewhat in shock and very lucky right now.
I feel sad for the families of those who died. Any loss of life at sea is sad. The wretched iceberg that got Titanic seems to have claimed 5 more lives all these years later :(
the thrusters look and probably are small table fans.
You're a what???
@@brianglade848 i maintain equipment used in oceanography on vessels
@@georgetomson7172 an unenviable first
@@tropicanaborgatta8335Computer fans
He was unafraid due to his naivete about the actual construction of the Titan.
Yep
I think its a bucket list thing for this guy. For all we know he might have cancer. He is retired probably.
that about sums it up.....
I always thought that though I am not a nautical engineer, that bonding Titainium with Carbon Fibre is a strange combination especially in sea water and at 1000's of LBS per square inch. God bless the people on board RIP
More like 6000 psi
Stockton had skipped class the day they taught this
He wanted it to be lighter so he didnt use steel so he used carbon fiber
Yes, this has been stated by two other very senior naval diving officers also - that when pressure would be applied it would simply tear apart. Had it been ensured safety regulation standards, these people likely wouldn't have lost their lives. However, I'll never understand how any sensible person would step into a vessel heading for such depths with no backup tracking device, no rescue beam attached, and above all, bolted and unable to be unbolted other than by other people outside the sub. For all their 'exploratory' knowledge apparently these glaring 'fails' didn't even concern anyone at all - and that is simply staggering.
It's definitely not conventional and being two dissimilar materials they are going have completely different fatigue rates over repeat dives. Glue is also quite hard to calculate for as it introduces a lot of irregularities compared to a contiguous material, like all the other titanium sphere subs that have never failed due to an implosion. The titan sub was experimental and totally reckless by the company to be taking paying passengers, regardless of the disclaimers they signed.
This report is comical. He absolutely had no idea what danger he was in, had no real knowledge of the safety of the submersible, and by the grace of God, he lived. Bro, you were a living test dummy for something untested and obviously deadly.
This is what they get for turning a graveyard into a tourist attraction.
Listening to this guy absolutely confirms "affluenza" isn't just a kid thing. @7:35 is the money shot. Wow.
Eschewing time-tested methods, prioritizing profits over basic safety, and summarily dismissing the concerns of experts isn't the same as being "creative, visionary, and finding new ways to do things".
The logic bubble these people exist in is overdue for an implosion of its own.
Thank you
100% Agree with you and they'll never stop because they have money so *of course* they think they can bribe physics.
I don't think you know what the word "affluenza" means.
If it wasn’t for people like OceanGate, the human race would still be living in caves. We need people willing to take risks. If no one took big risks, we’d have no civilisation.
The Bible clearly warns that 'the love of money is the root of all evil'. And to me risking people's lives for his personal gain is nothing but.
They all died because of one man's arrogance not to be certified
Why take a risk that huge? Life isn't worth going to bottom of the ocean to see the exact view from TH-cam
There's only one window, so wouldn't the pilot's head be in the way the whole time
I get what you’re saying. I think people choose to do this because of the whole experience. However, don’t get me wrong, I would never do it myself. I’m claustrophobic and have Thalassophobia too lol
@@user-hkssf Had to get a quick google of Thalassophobia (fear of deep bodies of water)🚣
Or the footage used in Cameron's "Titanic"
I was looking for this comment.... 100% agree.
Dude was lucky. It was a deathtrap waiting to happen with how many corners they cut. Sounds like he didn't know what to look out for & bought into the sales pitch which is why he was impressed with them. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
Yup and mentality of...just get me down there 😑
Watching the video of them attaching the parts with Epoxy glue, a man walking around the pod applying it by hand, so no way of it being an even application, and they then lowered the other part onto it, and viewing it by eye said it was a perfect attachment, shocking
I'm surprised it held together as much as it did.
One of the luckiest men on the planet, and now almost certainly the most thankful one as well!
Thank you fir your insight sir!!
I will repeat this
DONT MESS WITH THE OCEAN !!
People must really want to see that shipwreck badly. I don't get it, who wants to risk their life for that? With all the things in the world to see, that's not worth it. This man with his window covered from the outside may be confined to that house by his very concerned relatives.
The titanic is a big deal to a lot of older ppl
For wealthy risk takers and adventurers this is a chance of lifetime.
I wouldn’t dare but I can definitely see why thrill seekers would it
@@hollywoodslym It sounds like they need mental health checkups.
Probably like climbing Everest.
Dangrous but once you get to the summit, everything's worth it.
@@lordbossharrownah, there is air be it thin on top of a mountain.
Go to the shipwrecks, become one with the shipwrecks. Only 500k per seat. You to can be eaten by fish and crabs.
1) "suburban man" is a rich dude who doesn't want to be identified.
2) while he was describing his experience he brought up "how professional OceanGate was". This sends up some red flags - is he invested in the company? Or?
I think he's just gullible
He is lying. An actor.
@@ShesMajickal_ Take your meds and quit smoking and or snorting methamphetamine.
Right and saying he hopes more men like stockton rush continue to forward this line of work like what? 😂
@@olly4227 I don't know him to know If he's a nice man or not. What I do know is that it's a miracle he survived that suicide mission
"A company as professional as OceanGate" Now that the facts are out, I imagine he's regretting those words.
I feel like there has got to be a healthy way to go about this. Tourism- fine. Deep Sea exploration- fine. Deep Sea Tourism- fine. But just use the right materials. Do the right math. Retire the submersible when need be. If money is your biggest concern, you are doing it wrong.
Stockton Rush said his submersible is what the iPhone was to Android. iPhones are known for breaking .🤨
I’ve never been excited to go visit a gravesite, especially not one where a tragic event happened.
The bodies are long gone. How many people do you think have died in all of history? Almost everywhere is a 'grave site' if you think about all the people before us. Why are you all upset about that particular grave site? Selective thinking.
Ironic
Yes in the Religion of Islam Muslims are prohibited to visit places of tragedies e. g. the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah.
@@ArchimedeanEyeyou gotta be slow my boy to compare 13,000ft UNDER WATER to a regular cemetery.
@@slimetooomob1656 What has the depth got to do with it? Thousands of people die every day. Billions before us. Why are you all upset about Titanic deaths in particular? Did you cry watching the movie?
It just wasn't his time to go.And the titan hadn't been damaged by all the other trips down to the titanic. So sad 5 lives have to be lost before they have to be inspected
I just saw a video that showed the two titanium end caps being attached to the carbon fiber hull with epoxy glue applied to the seams in an uneven amount using a normal paintbrush while in a non-sterile environment. It was as sloppy as a carpenter using wood glue.
Reference?
as a crafter I take offense to this. We could have done a better job.
The entire contraption was very shoddy and amateurish. Even I can see that knowing nothing about subs.
It held up for a few trips but ultimately failed. Safety is paramount, unfortunately this outfit took shortcuts and gave safety a backseat.
@@tropicanaborgatta8335 Hindsight’s a wonderful thing, isn’t it…👍🏻🙄🤣
I wouldn't have gotten in that contraption if it was in my backyard pool.
His closing remark gets to the heart of informed consent. The customers did not know of the risks because OceanGate sued and threatened to sue anyone who raised the problem of safety and certification. So on the one hand they were asking customers to sign a waiver, meanwhile they were suing and sending lawyers threats to silence critics.
Typical of the way things are now here in the America's.
@@jasontimothywells9895t’s a shit show. That’s why true, calculated, and verified innovation should be heralded. Companies that are about the product-at-hand’s capabilities vs the money that comes from the product. The money will always come if the work is good. If it’s bad, you won’t have anything left eventually. Like Stockton…who doesn’t exist now. What a transaction.
If that's true, it's beyond criminal... good lord
@@Narusasu98 It's true and easily verified. Court cases are public record.
OCEANGATE INC., a Washington corporation, Plaintiff, v. DAVID LOCHRIDGE and CAROLE REID LOCHRIDGE, and the marital community composed thereof, Defendants.
Summarizing the causes of action, OceanGate sought to punish and silence Lochridge for betraying company secrets. Even blaming him for making them fire him. Lochridge's counterclaims revealed that the people he revealed those secrets to were OSHA.
The settled the case by a stipulation, the terms of which are not public, but almost certainly silencing Lochridge, that's probably why you have not seen him make any public statements even now.
@@Narusasu98 In addition to the lawsuit the New Yorker article from a few days ago describes the two people Lochridge spoke to about his concerns after being fired (other sub experts) the proprietary information he retained, the safety report, and his complaint to OSHA that he had been fired in retaliation for raising safety concerns and sent OSHA the safety report in an attempt to save lives. He is 100% a whistleblower for all the right reasons.
Why would you call Ocean Gate Professional.. No Safety Concerns At All
After now hearing several reports like this one, it's obvious these subversibles are simply a death trap - people not scientifically qualified should never have been allowed step into them. I feel so sad about the boy who went simply because he wanted to please his father for Father's Day.
tbh I'd feel a lot worse about it if it were filled with scientifically qualified people like marine biologists and professional submariners rather than extreme tourists. Submersibles are generally quite safe though, the CEO of this company even used it as a talking point in his marketing...too bad his implementation wasn't.
None of the others have failed in the last 50 years. Bad design trying to do it for less. Broke the rules the others follow.
It's not submersibles in general that are a danger it was this one in particular due to its poor design incorrect material and lack of safety testing. If he had built the sub using tried and tested materials . Submersible subs have been making deep water dives to the Titanic and Many places Even deeper without incident . Correctly engineered and constructed subs with proper testing are not a problem. They have been diving the Titanic since 1985.
@@treelineresearch3387 But how could anybody, ESPECIALLY people such as scientists or submariners etc, consent to take such a perilous dive in something not 'passed' by safety and rescue registrants, knowing there was no backup tracker, no rescue beacon attached, and that they'd be bolted in with no possible way of escape even if in shallow water? There's a video where Stockton Rush is blatantly boasting about having broken safety rules for submersibles and admitting that he used incompatible materials to construct it! It now has been revealed that he also received several warnings from such people about this vessel! Does this mean he simply didn't advise the people on board? If that is so, imo this would have to amount to at least manslaughter of his 4 passengers.
@@adamwatson6916 "If he had built the sub using tried and tested materials" Then it would have been to expensive and out of reach for public use which was the whole point of doing it. The Titanic used tried and tested materials. Even certified by experts!
A sphere is the only shape capable of resisting the massive forces at that depth...a cylinder shape has the weakness of the flat end panels compounded by the fact that they were dissimilar materials and by all accounts poorly bonded...
Yea I'm not sure why he didn't just copy one of the Russian designs.
James Cameron is that you?
Yes, the shape of Titan seems bizarre, given the forces at that depth. As you say, a sphere serves to distribute the forces evenly and lock in strength . . .
Well, it's the shape that needs the least material.
The Titanic was an " unsinkable" ship too. Once again people underestimate Mother nature's raw power. RIP.
Notice how it's all these old retired people going down there and risking their lives because they lived their life to the fullest and have nothing to lose. No young person should be allowed on these expeditions, I really feel sorry for the 19 year old.
They probably accepted anyone who was willing put money in their pockets. In the end, you gotta think it was really more about money than anything else, when a company is not even willing to certify it's vessel. Ya, it's sad...but also hard to pity anyone who didn't do their due diligence before doing this kind of extreme voyage.
It's always about money or power smh
Totally.
He was right when he said experiment before he corrected himself😢
I INSTANTLY noticed that as well. Good catch!
Freudian slip.
Rich people are truly bored 😑
Yup.
This guy's pretty old, I feel like that's why he didn't care, or feel he had much to lose
When you have MONEY and TIME beyond what the average working person with REAL obligations in life can comprehend.......
There should be no “tourism” to places like Titanic.
If it is in international waters, who would have the jurisdiction to make such a declaration? Cruise companies get away with doing zero investigations into the rapes and murders that happen on cruise ships by saying "we were in international waters, no police force as the authority to investigate, no country has any authority over any alleged crime" They leave many traumatized families in their wake in each, while pocketing the cash.
well, there is tourism to the pyramids as well 🤷
@@springsbliss4094except the CCP, right now they are bringing up sunken navy Ship from ww2 and scrap them for material another reason to hate them
@@panda4247 That is a legit point. There is no one coherent way of approaching this area. Though maybe there simply isn't. The unwritten rule seems to be...the older a site is, the more it becomes "archeology".
In the case of the Edmund Fitzgerald no one is allowed to dive the wreck anymore, but that is somewhat due to the peculiar conditions of Lake Superior. It's so cold, bodies last and last.
Though I believe it is also illegal for anyone to try to get to the wreck of the Estonia in the Baltic. However both those cases are of areas where the wreck is in the waters of a specific country, or there is a treaty about what countries have official interest or say about the area of the wreck.
If OceanGate was really professional, then why did they not get the sub certified, according to James Cameron.
I wouldn't go even if you paid me 250 grand .
Absolutely
I've been saying the same. Even if that submersible was made of titanium a foot thick and had every safety feature that guaranteed nothing would go wrong, I still wouldn't go.
I would go - just not on Titan. This is a super safe industry with no accidents in like 50 years for multiple certified ships. Then they yahoo comes along, in uncertified ship b/c he does not want to spend $$$ to get it certified. Makes it out of carbon fiber that everyone says is unsafe. End result is 5 people dead.
For $250000....let me think about it. 😂
How about , oneee millliioonn dolllars?😅
This was a great interview. The guest was thoughtful and logical, and he told an uncluttered story. The interviewer came across as interested in the guest, not performing or calling attention to herself.
You know, the term "more money than sense" comes to mind every time I hear these folks speak.
So sad.
“ as professional as ocean gate “ is he serious??
I commend his bravery. I would never have gotten the courage to do it. Sometimes I think of things I said no to and wonder if I missed out. But maybe missing out isn’t always the worst thing in life.
Or stupidity.
Well said!!!
Exactly
Obviously not.
Stupidity not bravery
From a BBC article on the incident-
“Experts have questioned the safety of Titan and how private sector deep-sea expeditions are regulated. Concerns have been raised over the Titan's experimental design and the carbon fibre material used to build it.
More than three dozen industry leaders and experts even signed a 2018 letter to Mr Rush that warned OceanGate's approach could lead to "catastrophic" problems”
“The industry has been trying for several years to get Stockton Rush to halt his programme for two reasons," said Rob McCallum, a specialist who runs his own ocean expedition company, told the BBC on Friday.
"One is that carbon fibre is not an acceptable material," he said. "The other is that this was the only submersible in the world doing commercial work that was unclassed. It was not certified by an independent agency."
Why this arrogant egotistical bastard, Stockton Rush, wasn’t under investigation should definitely be a part of the conversation by now. Rob McCallum was even threatened by lawyers for Rush and Oceangate if he went public with these safety concerns.
This clown should’ve been arrested and charged for just attempting to sell tickets to tour the wreckage of the Titanic aboard an experimental and uncertified vessel.
Wow, I did not know all of that! Yeah, that's bad! Finding that out, I wouldn't be surprised if criminal charges are forthcoming.
This guy seems like hes off in his own world. He says "a company as professional as Ocean Gate" when they are the epidemy of unprofessional, cutting corners playing with lives. Laughs when he says they found his wasted almonds the next day, they hadn't even cleaned the sub before the next launch. This breaks my mind.
I would have vowed hearing more about how cold it gets on the Submersible. Good interview thank you.
I ike this Man, I'm glad he survived
This guys lucky he went early. This sub was always going to slowly succumb to the pressure. The time it imploded was simply a matter of time.
No room for any error whatsoever
There is a reason submarines are usually made of metal and have no protuding wires outsidide.
What a fantastic interview, very insightful and informative. Glad his expedition went well
Sounds like OceanGate put more effort into testing the passengers than the ship.
Never cut corners, especially with a submersible , don't be arrogant always be safe as you can be, don't be hasty SAFETY IS FREE ,nothing is perfect.
He didn't want to hire qualified people because he didn't want anyone to tell him anything he wanted dumbed down yes men that was inspirational to him young smart men but also unqualified with no experience.