Lol. Well I am sorry for the people who were killed and payed the price of Stockton's incompetence, but everytime I see that video of Stockton talking about the sub and wearing a helmet, reminds me of Cartman from Southpark in that episode where he participated in the special olympics wearing a helmet 😂
@@olic7266DED (in theory) would get around the porosity issues with SLS printing, both can print almost any alloy and some that can't be done any other way... In practice a DED printer that size doesn't exist (to my knowledge) and would be hilariously expensive. It would be really cool to see, I'll bet it would amount to good weight savings and the ability to optimize the alloy characteristics since DED allows for alloy gradients. Though I feel like testing and calculations would be the issue, since 3d printing doesn't give a homogeneous grain to the metal it's going to be really unpredictable when it comes to imperfections... I actually might get to participate in some testing around DED printed samples soon.
Hats off to David Lochridge, the former operations director, who came into trouble with OceanGate (/CEO Stockton) because he was outspoken and honest about what was going wrong. He was an impressive witness as well.
@@loosilu Hats off to him as well. There were a few that at least tried... (Mr. Lochridge had the extra trouble of being fired and sued etc., but he was not the only one blowing the whistle indeed.)
@@BartBoerboom And shame on OSHA, who were supposed to be offering Lochridge whistleblower protection, but hung him out to dry. They knew the facts and did nothing.
No experience in submersibles, used college interns, directed by a narcissistic CEO with aerospace engineering experience who was show the industry that deep dive exploration could be done on the cheap. Lack of testing the design and use of material that was not adaptable to repeat contraction and expansion under immense pressure. Used carbon fiber that had expired shelf life from an airline manufacture. Two different materials expansion/contraction rates of end sections, carbon fiber/titanium glued together. A viewing port not rated for the pressures a third of the depth the Titan went down to. Didn't heed the warning by submersible engineers, and didn't test the vessel according to established protocol. What amazes me even more, why wealthy, intelligent, and educated people would pay to go down in this death trap. In the end, sadly, he took four innocent lives due to his negligence.
I think those rich people may have been misled into thinking it was safer than it was. you have the egotistical Stockton selling a lie. and you have one person plus Stockton who has been on it before. I think that even though death was mentioned prominently in the agreement. that having 2 people that have been on it before 2 professionals and Stockton gave the father Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman a false sense that it was a little bit safer than it was. I would think that if they saw the reports from former director of marine operations for OceanGate David Lochridge and how lax Stockton was about the safety concerns they wouldn't have got in the submersible. the more I learn about how unconcerned about the safety Stockton was the more I really wish he was still here so everyone could say we told you so. the only thing that sucks about this is he took 4 innocent people with him. PH may have seen the risks but it sounds like he may not have cared.
That young man, Suleman Dawood, only 19 years old. So tragic, at the hands of that ego maniac Stockton Rush. The more details that come out, the worse this whole thing gets.
they were wealthy, but they trusted the company the sub was safe. No one in the public was aware of the sub problems and the design flaws before the accident.
@@mnmmnm8321 I believe it made it down to the Titanic wreck about 13 times... not without problems or having to abort to dive as soon as they made it down there. On one dive, the Titan got stuck on a piece of the Titanic debris and was down there for an hour or two before the guy with the game station controller managed to get it unstuck... and it wasn't Rush. The thrusters were mistakenly mounted backwards so the controller (engineer) had to figure that out and do everything in reverse to get the Titan out of there. That soda can made quite a few dives before it imploded. They never checked or analyzed the integrity of the materials after each dive. They just kept using it and using it until it popped. No maintenance PLUS they dragged it behind the mother ship for a few miles before embarking on their journey to the Titanic. AND, I found out that it was stored, over the winter, in Nova Scotia where it's freezing cold. If they had performed maintenance or re-built the soda can after each dive, maybe this could have worked. This is insane from the get go.
There will be others who share some responsibility. It's all very well everyone throwing the dead boss under the bus, but anyone who knew the situation and had not resigned over it will also be partially liable. Personally, every time I see that clip of Rush claiming submersibles are the safest form of transport based on their safety record, I grit my teeth. That's a goddamned cheek when you are simultaneously deriding the industry for it's excessive safety regulations.
Because he violated what law exactly? They were operating in international waters, and all the "passengers" signed waivers saying they understood the risks.
The bang at the end of dive 80 (that was attributed to the sub moving in the cradle) appears to have been a delamination event or similar because it changed the way the strain gauges responded as the sub made subsequent dives. Before dive 80 the strain gauges had a linear response with depth. After dive 80 they didnt respond in a linear way until the sub was at a few hundred meters down. Its as if a gap formed that had to be closed up by the increasing pressure before the inner layer with its strain gauges became loaded.
The sensor that recorded that bang, and the subsequent irregularities, was located on the forward port side of the hull, just aft of the titanium ring and end dome.
@@mikeprevost8650 Dive 80 and the fatal one were separated by a winter in storage. I think it was in the Bahamas but I did wonder if it was subjected to freezing conditions before it got there. If it had a water filled delamination that froze..
The first time I saw a photo of the sub from the outside, I knew it was unsuitable. I have a degree in Oceanography, exposure to the British Navy, an interest in maritime history and general interest in engineering. By no means an expert but it doesn't take one to know this was akin to a paper boat in a child's bath. Bonkers.
If given the choice, I would still prefer view the titanic in 4K on my iPad vs looking at it through a 9 inches of blurry acrylic. Not sure why anyone would choose the latter.
@@Pretermit_Sound I climbed Mt Rainier (and several others in Washington) in 1981, going to Everest simply doesn't make sense, considering likely permanent physical damage, extreme cost, years to get on schedule, essentially most require hand-holding all the way up and many have to be carried down at extreme risk to Sherpas. In closing look at all the trash and dead bodies... Nope!
I mentioned this last year when it happened. Ocean Gate hired the cheapest crew it could, which was college interns. People that would work for peanuts for the experience and not cause problems and do what they were told because they had zero experience. This is how Stockton kept anyone from challenging him, by getting rid of experienced employees who were throwing red flags and employing only grunts.
All of these business “tycoons” who died would undoubtedly hire lawyers and accountants to explore every aspect of a company they were looking to buy, or a merger they wanted to make. But for a ticket to hop onto a carnie ride to the bottom of the ocean? No due diligence whatsoever. This thing was bolted closed from the outside - there was no way out once you got in. That fact alone should have been a wakeup call to anyone. There is nothing worth getting in to that you cannot get out of, especially when the cost can be your life. Stockton Rush was an idiot, and the people who died with him were not much smarter, as they essentially paid someone to deliberately kill them. We have not learned anything new from this - Boeing essentially did the same thing with their 737MAX - risk to money is more important to companies than risk to life. Wash, rinse, repeat….
Brave doesn’t really factor in, either. He wasn’t “innovating” at all, he was just using substandard materials with no safety protocols to do excessively dangerous dives. That he got that many dives in before total failure of the vessel is a matter of luck. It was all stupidity, and it’s really amazing how much of a cheapskate he was on every aspect of his design when he supposedly had experience with venture capital and came from a wealthy family. Seems he was deathly afraid another player would appear and kill his chances in the time it took to do things correctly, so he opted for doing everything wrong and unsafe in the name of expediency. Cuz it was ALWAYS about the profit and never any of the “research” BS in the OG sales pitch videos.
He was delusional. Could be seen from all his interviews. A Las Vegas billionaire said '"I wouldn't dive with a sub made by man who came persuading me on this journey with his own made plane"
I don’t agree with the suicidal theory. I think Rush was simply a very narcissistic man who really believed he could keep pushing his luck without consequences. It’s just a shame he took four others with him when his luck ran out
@@merphulperhaps not suicidal in the sense of directly trying to kill himself. Perhaps suicidal in the sense, “I don’t care if I die,” or “if I die nothing will matter anymore.” Suicidal thoughts can sometimes be sort of cavalier. And I think it’s worth remembering that someone like Stockton who was practiced at lying to others may also be practiced at lying to themselves, even about their own intentions. But I think that’s enough armchair psychiatry for me.
One quality every engineer I have met all possessed in great quantity is "patience", (and my father was an engineer,, and I went on to spend 20 years working with, and for many others). Mr Rush apparently had no patience, and did have a temper. Neither are desirable for building innovative vehicles or vessels, with safety as priority. Very sad, that he wielded so much power and control.
He wasn't a billionaire or super rich... which is actually part of the reason he was cutting all these corners. It seems like OceanGate had money troubles.
The craziest of all is that the sub spent its last winter outside. And we already know CFRP is more on the brittle side. Not to forget it had been struck by lightning at the very beginning in the Bahamas. On top of that it was towed hundreds of nautical miles to the point of last dive... No words to describe this.
I am pleased to hear that someone actually suggested just yo-yoing the vessel on a cable to see if it held up without endangering anyone, since I have wondered this myself. I am not surprised by Stockton's response, but I am glad that someone at least made him consider it.
This was not an “if” situation but a “when” situation when it came to the explosion. So much went wrong here. Stockton should have faced criminal charges and he got off easy by dying on that submersible.
Because Americans have been brainwashed into believing that geniuses "break the rules" and don't listen to anyone else. The peak of individualism is at the bottom of the ocean.
@tomr6955 supposedly in person he could be charming. for the final dives he often flew out to talk to clients to get them to go because most people who had the money and desire were asking questions of the submersible community.
@tomr6955 many of these employees didnt trust stockton but they are just doing job, if they raise concern to government official, they will get sued by stockton and have long, expensive court battle. leaving the company is just easier
Just think, 4500 pounds per square inch, the size of an average human thumbnail over the entirety of your body, instantaneously surrounding you. The brain doesn't think as fast as they were were made into pate. One moment their eyes were straining looking for Titanic thinking "how grand it will be to dishonour a naval gravesite" and then nothing. No sound, no temperature change just nothingness forever.
I don't care what anyone says, the fact that Stockton Rush preached carelessness and then was killed in his own poorly constructed submersible is objectively hilarious. Also, the fact that 3 other people were stupid enough to get on with him despite all the red flags makes it even funnier. RIP to Suleman Dawood, though. At 19 he was too young to understand risks, like most 19-year-olds (I myself included).
3 other people were not stupid, after all, the sub made a few dives before and even the CEO was on board (what more safety assurance do you need if you are not technically inclined?) I am sure paying as much as they did, they expected to be back home safe like the previous group...
Rush probably undersold the danger to them. He presented himself as an expert to a layperson. And the waiver? Heck, I had to sign one for an escape room. That’s just as dangerous as walking around in the mall or going to the movies. That waiver doesn’t protect against gross negligence and a willful misrepresentation of facts. I blame everyone at Oceangate that knew but didn’t say a damn thing. They should join Rush
@@tims4502 no one knew for sure it would implode, cutting corners with wiring and video game controllers and Bluetooth is one thing, but structural and composite expertise they didn't have, in fact most of us awakened to that danger right after the accident!
This reminds me of when I was one among many back yard boat builders building our boats in an amateur boatyard. It was obvious to some of us that some of the boatbuilders and their craft should never go upon the sea.
I think he really needed the money and had to do that dive, I've noticed that he tried to train quite a few pilots for the sub, I really don't think he wanted to go down
The guy went cheap. It likely had nothing to do with proven technology because to do it properly would have cost a fortune by comparison. Stockton was arrogant to assume he knew better and reckless to take people with him.
I thought I knew it all after earning my Mechanical Engineering Degree. General Electric hired me. A fellow who became a good friend snickered at me in the FEP School and said ''You think you are hot stuff but in 2 years you will realize that you didn't know Jack Schitt.'' Very true! College Interns have very limited field experience. Stockton Rush should have known this. Maybe he thought he could get his way without being challenged by experienced personnel.
I think it's true of any field of engineering. I'm a mining engineer and all I knew when I left uni was a bunch of theory. Even 30 years later I'm still learning!
Saw Stockton say about not wanting old white men engineers and just younger interns to work on his machines. Insane, those engineers are old for a reason
College interns - I would guess a lot of professionals would have said no, raised red flags, etc. So they went with people that didn’t know much better.
As mechanical engineer, it absolutely blows me away that his entire team didn't include a single Professional Engineer (PE). For those who don't know, it is required for almost every manufacturer that creates something that could involve human life to have a PE on their staff to sign off on designs. I don't have a PE title, but I know damn well to never get involved with any project that has anything to do with the direct involvement and safety of humans.
@@yoursugarismine In USA a degree in engineering does not make you an engineer. You have to have a minimum of 4 years experience and then take and pass a two day written test to call yourself an engineer. I went through all that and I am an engineer. Stockton Rush had a degree in engineering, but he was not an engineer.
Meanwhile i watched several of those hearings,but even though i agree that they screwed up and ociangate was badly run, we always have to take into account, that it is easy for people who might share some responsibility, since they helped Rush by designing, building and operating his sub and who did not report to authorities as soon as they were concerned about life threatening security issues, to blame the guy, who can''t defend himself anymore, to be soleley responsible for everything.
Oceangate 's sole agenda was to make money; the Titanic dives were marketed to a very wealthy clientele; so I don't even concider their dives legitimate Titanic exploration . We'll see more disasters like this in high-end extreme tourism once tourism of space becomes accessible by rich clients
I read about it last yr, the staff are new grads……. Just like my property management, hiring university students under 20, with no building experience to manage the properties……. 😂😂😂 recently, they hired “older people” (Still younger than me), but they are…….visa permit workers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Their logic is based on $$$$. Not responsibility and safety
I was in union construction for almost a decade. I am in property management now and man it really is $$$ driven and a dog or dog world! And I guess I work for one of the better management companies too!
Alvin, the most famous submersible of all time was built at a General Mills Cereal plant! The same people who maintained the mixing, baking, and packaging machinery for your Chereos built the Alvin! Nothing wrong with such people building the boat, as long as they have the proper engineering and quality assurance support
Or young women who had even basic knowledge of physics or engineering? Looks to me (as an old woman) like it was pretty much built, operated and designed by old white men.
@@ChimpFromSpace rush wasn’t “woke”. He was cheap and demanded compliance. Good engineers are expensive and they speak their minds. Dea gave him cover, at least in my thinking.
It's awful how he disregarded four innocent lives. I know two passengers were qualified and should have known better, but I think they really trusted Rush and never thought he would put their lives in danger.
This reminds me of when John F. Kennedy junior crashed his plane and they spent millions and millions to find his body and plane..... I know damn well as somebody who flies that if my little plane ends up in the ocean ain't nobody looking for me....... The same can be said for this rich dude who Rex is submarine if he was broke no one would be having senate hearings over it
I beg to differ. With technology making building submersibles or spacecraft or other toys for the very affluent, it makes a lot of sense to do such a detailed investigation.
It wasn't that they actually cared for the dude. They have the dude killed and they wanted to find his plane and his body to make sure nobody else did.
You are a credit to your race. Stockton Rush couldn't have been a more perfect embodiment of Captain Ahab and somehow, it was the young and diverse staff who were responsible, not the crazy, demented narcissist who thought he was such a genius that he didn't have to listen to anybody.
@@AtomicGirlNYC-e2sThe young staff had no personal experience with the consequences of corner cutting, bad engineering, and so on. The “un inspirational 50 year old white men” who aren’t actually even close to being all white. Would’ve all been whistle blowers/walked away
That’s sad! Some ppl with dubious character messed up the career and probably the mind of some young engineers that probably were trying to do their best and get experience .
This is turning into a pile all the fault on Stockton cause he is dead. Obviously he deserves it but other than a couple who tried to say something and were fired all these people admit to knowing the sub was bad and did nothing
2:10 This should be one of THE questions that the survivors who worked for Ocean Gate need to answer under oath: “Were the cost prohibitive decisions made re: proper testing made per the actual costs for testing services rendered? Or for the sort of-not really discussed-perception of costs to fix the umpteen million issues that certified testing would discover?” That’s the predominant thing about the carbon fiber fabrication: the only repairs are full do-overs. The other thing is this Stockton guy obviously subscribed to “sorry over please” or “better to apologize than ask permission.” Typical rich kid approach to life.
All this testimony keeps painting picture of how unbelievable that project/illusion and outfit was. Team was rag-tag, overrode own thinking; and the sub was a plastic glued ramshackle. Rush a cult/vision leader fanatic renegade coolade dispensing dictator.
Its really common in business and corporate what you describe. The difference here is that the product can squeeze you to death when you get it wrong. Many businesses make products with similar fail rates and quality... they just dont kill you.
Ocean Gate, Virgin Galactic, and Blue Origin all took the ultra rich on a brief journey into -the ocean, or into space. The first two suffered catastrophic, deadly failures. The Virgin Galactic disintegrated in the air, which was caused by pilot error, yet both pilots were experienced professionals, who, unlike Stockton Mush, carefully abided by safety protocols for a manned experimental rocket plane. /In the Newtonian World
As a movie script this whole thing reads like a sad tragedy where the main character stockton Rush in the middle of all the seriousness is comedy gold in monumental stupidity ahead of what we all know is coming the implosion, couple that with an actual replica taken to depth and record the implosion would be movie of the decade.
The more information that comes to light regarding oceangate ' the worse it actually gets ' red flag after red flag & a culture of shut up or theres the door ' SHOCKING 😮
For all those from Chicago School of Economics, Fans of the Austrian School, Ayn Rand, Milton Freedman and their calls for De-Regulation, Free-Market Economics, Smaller Government, etc. Try to Imagine How Safe Commercial Airliners and Ocean Vessels would be today, if not for stringent Engineering Oversight. Stockton Rush and later Narjollet, clearly had psychosis, bordering on suicidal ideation. The US Coast Guard and the Canadian Coast Guard, and our respective Naval Commands should NEVER have allowed Oceangate to conduct these dives. Rush should never have been allowed to depart from a U.S. or Canadian Port City. 😮.
a proper submersible to go to the Titanic costs over 12 million and can only take one or two passengers. Then you have to a dedicated support ship with often another submersible or rovs to help out if need be.
Well, it's not just Stockton's $$. The company was funded by some investors, and there was a board of directors. The board no doubt put a lot of pressure on Stockton to make Oceangate profitable.
@@rickbase833 one guy testified a 100 million had been put into oceangate. Since he wasn't a part of the company not sure how accurate that is. The business model made no sense anyway.
To learn what and why went wrong. I believe there will be someone else in the future trying to build another titan the right way. With carbon fibre again perhaps.
WELL, Stockton said one thing right.." i want to be remembered for the rules i break" , well sir you got that wish.
Good zinger. Hilarious.
Lol. Well I am sorry for the people who were killed and payed the price of Stockton's incompetence, but everytime I see that video of Stockton talking about the sub and wearing a helmet, reminds me of Cartman from Southpark in that episode where he participated in the special olympics wearing a helmet 😂
I like his other quote "at some point safety is just waste" or something to that effect....😂
Yeah, hilarious. Meanwhile the bureaucracy will cite this case as justification for doing the only thing it really cares about: Growing larger.
Stockton Mush
From these interviews, sounds like Rush was one step away from 3D printing the sub.
Might have been stronger if no metal caps 😆 least a 3D printed one could easily be tested over and over till getting required thickness 🧐
It's not about thickness, it's about material quality and porosity.
lol
Submarine Steve Job was what he was dreaming to be called. Not all innovation is successful thogh. In these industry no conrers should be just.
@@olic7266DED (in theory) would get around the porosity issues with SLS printing, both can print almost any alloy and some that can't be done any other way... In practice a DED printer that size doesn't exist (to my knowledge) and would be hilariously expensive. It would be really cool to see, I'll bet it would amount to good weight savings and the ability to optimize the alloy characteristics since DED allows for alloy gradients. Though I feel like testing and calculations would be the issue, since 3d printing doesn't give a homogeneous grain to the metal it's going to be really unpredictable when it comes to imperfections... I actually might get to participate in some testing around DED printed samples soon.
Hats off to David Lochridge, the former operations director, who came into trouble with OceanGate (/CEO Stockton) because he was outspoken and honest about what was going wrong. He was an impressive witness as well.
Karl Stanley as well. For a year he persisted in sending emails to Rush about the danger.
@@loosilu Hats off to him as well. There were a few that at least tried... (Mr. Lochridge had the extra trouble of being fired and sued etc., but he was not the only one blowing the whistle indeed.)
@@BartBoerboom And shame on OSHA, who were supposed to be offering Lochridge whistleblower protection, but hung him out to dry. They knew the facts and did nothing.
No experience in submersibles, used college interns, directed by a narcissistic CEO with aerospace engineering experience who was show the industry that deep dive exploration could be done on the cheap. Lack of testing the design and use of material that was not adaptable to repeat contraction and expansion under immense pressure. Used carbon fiber that had expired shelf life from an airline manufacture. Two different materials expansion/contraction rates of end sections, carbon fiber/titanium glued together. A viewing port not rated for the pressures a third of the depth the Titan went down to. Didn't heed the warning by submersible engineers, and didn't test the vessel according to established protocol. What amazes me even more, why wealthy, intelligent, and educated people would pay to go down in this death trap. In the end, sadly, he took four innocent lives due to his negligence.
I think those rich people may have been misled into thinking it was safer than it was. you have the egotistical Stockton selling a lie. and you have one person plus Stockton who has been on it before. I think that even though death was mentioned prominently in the agreement. that having 2 people that have been on it before 2 professionals and Stockton gave the father Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman a false sense that it was a little bit safer than it was. I would think that if they saw the reports from former director of marine operations for OceanGate David Lochridge and how lax Stockton was about the safety concerns they wouldn't have got in the submersible.
the more I learn about how unconcerned about the safety Stockton was the more I really wish he was still here so everyone could say we told you so. the only thing that sucks about this is he took 4 innocent people with him. PH may have seen the risks but it sounds like he may not have cared.
Having money doesn’t mean you are smart.
That young man, Suleman Dawood, only 19 years old. So tragic, at the hands of that ego maniac Stockton Rush. The more details that come out, the worse this whole thing gets.
they were wealthy, but they trusted the company the sub was safe. No one in the public was aware of the sub problems and the design flaws before the accident.
@@Sunshine4 Or right
Honestly the more we learn about the design and construction of the Titan, it's amazing to me that it didn't implode on the first dive to depth.
I thought the same thing. Now I’m suprised it made it off the back of the mother ship. This had all the attributes of a high school science project.
Likely is what kept fueling his ego. Sad he took some innocent ppl with him
It did 13 dives or so before it imploded.
@@NalaRichenbach How deep ?
@@mnmmnm8321 I believe it made it down to the Titanic wreck about 13 times... not without problems or having to abort to dive as soon as they made it down there. On one dive, the Titan got stuck on a piece of the Titanic debris and was down there for an hour or two before the guy with the game station controller managed to get it unstuck... and it wasn't Rush. The thrusters were mistakenly mounted backwards so the controller (engineer) had to figure that out and do everything in reverse to get the Titan out of there. That soda can made quite a few dives before it imploded. They never checked or analyzed the integrity of the materials after each dive. They just kept using it and using it until it popped. No maintenance PLUS they dragged it behind the mother ship for a few miles before embarking on their journey to the Titanic. AND, I found out that it was stored, over the winter, in Nova Scotia where it's freezing cold. If they had performed maintenance or re-built the soda can after each dive, maybe this could have worked. This is insane from the get go.
College interns, huh? Stockton Rush finally found some people he could punch down at and convince he was a genius. What a bully.
Stockton Rush would be facing prison time if he hadn't gone on that dive.
That's probably why he always went onboard.
Now all this investigation needs is a time machine.
There will be others who share some responsibility. It's all very well everyone throwing the dead boss under the bus, but anyone who knew the situation and had not resigned over it will also be partially liable.
Personally, every time I see that clip of Rush claiming submersibles are the safest form of transport based on their safety record, I grit my teeth. That's a goddamned cheek when you are simultaneously deriding the industry for it's excessive safety regulations.
Because he violated what law exactly? They were operating in international waters, and all the "passengers" signed waivers saying they understood the risks.
Or the death penalty.
I swear to God, it's like Rush heard the word "SUBstandard" and got confused.
Or SUBpar
SUB STANDARD: A standard for subs 😅🤣
Titan was certainly not in shipshape ;)
"Will you stop!" *Gorilla Monsoon voice* 😂
lol that comment is spot on
The bang at the end of dive 80 (that was attributed to the sub moving in the cradle) appears to have been a delamination event or similar because it changed the way the strain gauges responded as the sub made subsequent dives. Before dive 80 the strain gauges had a linear response with depth. After dive 80 they didnt respond in a linear way until the sub was at a few hundred meters down. Its as if a gap formed that had to be closed up by the increasing pressure before the inner layer with its strain gauges became loaded.
Sounds like woke bullshit
The sensor that recorded that bang, and the subsequent irregularities, was located on the forward port side of the hull, just aft of the titanium ring and end dome.
@@mikeprevost8650 Dive 80 and the fatal one were separated by a winter in storage. I think it was in the Bahamas but I did wonder if it was subjected to freezing conditions before it got there. If it had a water filled delamination that froze..
jeffostrop did a good review of the NTSB report that covered that, he used great recovery video showing the pieces that they examined and tested.
After dive 80, they had 11 months to look at that data. They KNEW.
Beyond ego, Stockton appeared to have had every aspect of a psychopath.
Stockton literally cherry picked people around him that would do what he asked . Worst worst way to build a deep sea sub.
Sounds like someone else we all know.
Or occupy the office of the presidency.
Off topic. But just saying…
Something to think about.
@mercoid yes Kuhmala and her lizard overlords will be a disaster
He literally picked their "cherries"? I usually pop cherries but not literally. :)
@@richs7362Tangerine by any chance?🤣🤣
I've listened and seen a lot of testimony. This was a Micky Mouse operation from beginning to end..
RIP to all lost. 😢
Poor mickey :(
The first time I saw a photo of the sub from the outside, I knew it was unsuitable. I have a degree in Oceanography, exposure to the British Navy, an interest in maritime history and general interest in engineering. By no means an expert but it doesn't take one to know this was akin to a paper boat in a child's bath. Bonkers.
Steamboat Willie Engineering, for sure!!
They left the submersible out side for a whole northern winter. You KNOW that sub was trash after that
If given the choice, I would still prefer view the titanic in 4K on my iPad vs looking at it through a 9 inches of blurry acrylic. Not sure why anyone would choose the latter.
Simple bragging rights. Rich people are weird like that.
@@bluedistortionsyep. Same reason a lot of them “climb” Everest.
@@Pretermit_Sound I climbed Mt Rainier (and several others in Washington) in 1981, going to Everest simply doesn't make sense, considering likely permanent physical damage, extreme cost, years to get on schedule, essentially most require hand-holding all the way up and many have to be carried down at extreme risk to Sherpas. In closing look at all the trash and dead bodies... Nope!
@@bluedistortions Yeah! I notice that too. Forest Gump would say...
Right same. But we wouldn't have those videos had somebody not went down there.
I mentioned this last year when it happened. Ocean Gate hired the cheapest crew it could, which was college interns. People that would work for peanuts for the experience and not cause problems and do what they were told because they had zero experience. This is how Stockton kept anyone from challenging him, by getting rid of experienced employees who were throwing red flags and employing only grunts.
All of these business “tycoons” who died would undoubtedly hire lawyers and accountants to explore every aspect of a company they were looking to buy, or a merger they wanted to make. But for a ticket to hop onto a carnie ride to the bottom of the ocean? No due diligence whatsoever.
This thing was bolted closed from the outside - there was no way out once you got in. That fact alone should have been a wakeup call to anyone. There is nothing worth getting in to that you cannot get out of, especially when the cost can be your life.
Stockton Rush was an idiot, and the people who died with him were not much smarter, as they essentially paid someone to deliberately kill them. We have not learned anything new from this - Boeing essentially did the same thing with their 737MAX - risk to money is more important to companies than risk to life. Wash, rinse, repeat….
If only Stockton hadn't Rushed.
HIs first name is Richard followed by Stockton
If he hadn't rushed then he wouldn't have been crushed 😂😂
There is a fine line between brave and stupid. Usually.
Brave doesn’t really factor in, either. He wasn’t “innovating” at all, he was just using substandard materials with no safety protocols to do excessively dangerous dives. That he got that many dives in before total failure of the vessel is a matter of luck. It was all stupidity, and it’s really amazing how much of a cheapskate he was on every aspect of his design when he supposedly had experience with venture capital and came from a wealthy family. Seems he was deathly afraid another player would appear and kill his chances in the time it took to do things correctly, so he opted for doing everything wrong and unsafe in the name of expediency. Cuz it was ALWAYS about the profit and never any of the “research” BS in the OG sales pitch videos.
this aint a fine line. this is a football field
He was delusional. Could be seen from all his interviews. A Las Vegas billionaire said '"I wouldn't dive with a sub made by man who came persuading me on this journey with his own made plane"
At this point I am starting to think Rush was actually trying to kill himself and didn't care who he would take along with him.
I don't buy into the suicidal aspect. The man was too in love with himself and how great his ideas were to go out as a joke in the history books.
@@merphul I agree. But the amount of deliberate neglect just boggles the mind.
I don’t agree with the suicidal theory. I think Rush was simply a very narcissistic man who really believed he could keep pushing his luck without consequences. It’s just a shame he took four others with him when his luck ran out
Nah, I’ve met narcissistic people like that. They can never be wrong and they will never accept responsibility.
@@merphulperhaps not suicidal in the sense of directly trying to kill himself. Perhaps suicidal in the sense, “I don’t care if I die,” or “if I die nothing will matter anymore.” Suicidal thoughts can sometimes be sort of cavalier.
And I think it’s worth remembering that someone like Stockton who was practiced at lying to others may also be practiced at lying to themselves, even about their own intentions. But I think that’s enough armchair psychiatry for me.
he wanted to be remembered like his old relatives instead he will be remembered as an narcissist that failed.
The only thing they did a proper job on was the legal disclaimer.
This comment is equal parts funny, sad, and true.
And evidently plenty was still left out. Rush was a snake oil salesman.
That document would never hold up in court. It didn’t reveal anywhere near the risks that an honest waver would. So even that was bad.
@@RossM3838 Waivers in general don’t hold up in court.
@@FredPorlock-1892 I agree it probably wouldn’t hold up in court but they made a good effort didn’t they.
I hope Will Ferrell plays Stockton in the movie
Perfect❤
American Choppers meets Harbor Freight.
Even American (Orange County) Choppers were better than Ocean Gate, which says everything.
@@timothydraper3687 That’s weird, but very true!
One quality every engineer I have met all possessed in great quantity is "patience", (and my father was an engineer,, and I went on to spend 20 years working with, and for many others). Mr Rush apparently had no patience, and did have a temper. Neither are desirable for building innovative vehicles or vessels, with safety as priority. Very sad, that he wielded so much power and control.
Because with time all deviations and solutions will be revealed.
Right? I'm addicted to test results. Especially when you've made a breakthrough and proven you were right about that one idea.
Makes sense, self deluded billionaires really have no idea of reality at all. They live in a bubble and die in a bubble.
He wasn't a billionaire or super rich... which is actually part of the reason he was cutting all these corners.
It seems like OceanGate had money troubles.
@@retsaMinnavoiGTrue, but privileged nonetheless.
The craziest of all is that the sub spent its last winter outside. And we already know CFRP is more on the brittle side. Not to forget it had been struck by lightning at the very beginning in the Bahamas. On top of that it was towed hundreds of nautical miles to the point of last dive... No words to describe this.
You really want college interns to be in charge of building a submersible meant for depths of nearly 2.5 miles or 3.8 kilometers.
11:06 It’s totally insane that they didn’t have a single professional engineer on staff. Just wow.
He will be remembered forever in marine engineering schools everywhere.
I am pleased to hear that someone actually suggested just yo-yoing the vessel on a cable to see if it held up without endangering anyone, since I have wondered this myself.
I am not surprised by Stockton's response, but I am glad that someone at least made him consider it.
Assuming they can find a two mile long cable.
@@DeepDeepSpace British ropes manufactured wire cables 15 miles long, so finding one should not be hard.
Unfortunately this trend of egotism is becoming a problem in many businesses.
And politics….
Only idiots could beleive a vessel built with fiber and epoxy could whistand compression !
At this point I'm amazed Stockton didn't 3d print the sub.
Not that much of a difference, really.
Surprised not bad of plastic bottles and duck tape
If made with an acrilic resine printer, it might be better
I'm fairly sure the custom joystick grips on the controller were 3d printed
Why on earth is the comment Stockton made about 'buying a congressman' edited out of this video?
You know why
To hide the crooked congressman who took the money. This hearing is obviously not about the truth
@@kaiyote7924 I mean, yeah, but I'm sure it would be interesting to hear it unpacked fully anyway!
This was not an “if” situation but a “when” situation when it came to the explosion. So much went wrong here. Stockton should have faced criminal charges and he got off easy by dying on that submersible.
I'll never understand why they trusted Stockton rush ,he looked demented in the interviews.
Because Americans have been brainwashed into believing that geniuses "break the rules" and don't listen to anyone else. The peak of individualism is at the bottom of the ocean.
the whole thing comes down to money. The businessplan was not working. They tried to go cheap first.
@tomr6955 supposedly in person he could be charming. for the final dives he often flew out to talk to clients to get them to go because most people who had the money and desire were asking questions of the submersible community.
@tomr6955 many of these employees didnt trust stockton but they are just doing job, if they raise concern to government official, they will get sued by stockton and have long, expensive court battle. leaving the company is just easier
genius and insanity are the same its obvious he was insane.
Gorilla glue not good at 3000 metres
someone said that the human remains in the back dome of the sub looked like spam, thats multi-millionare spam.
Billionaire was one of them
Just think, 4500 pounds per square inch, the size of an average human thumbnail over the entirety of your body, instantaneously surrounding you. The brain doesn't think as fast as they were were made into pate. One moment their eyes were straining looking for Titanic thinking "how grand it will be to dishonour a naval gravesite" and then nothing. No sound, no temperature change just nothingness forever.
the consistancy of 'paste' from what ive read
Human patè 😟
I don't care what anyone says, the fact that Stockton Rush preached carelessness and then was killed in his own poorly constructed submersible is objectively hilarious. Also, the fact that 3 other people were stupid enough to get on with him despite all the red flags makes it even funnier. RIP to Suleman Dawood, though. At 19 he was too young to understand risks, like most 19-year-olds (I myself included).
He was a con artist, and they didn't know a fraction of what we now know. But yes.
3 other people were not stupid, after all, the sub made a few dives before and even the CEO was on board (what more safety assurance do you need if you are not technically inclined?) I am sure paying as much as they did, they expected to be back home safe like the previous group...
As has been commented before, all he built was a better mousetrap for the elites.
Rush probably undersold the danger to them. He presented himself as an expert to a layperson.
And the waiver? Heck, I had to sign one for an escape room. That’s just as dangerous as walking around in the mall or going to the movies. That waiver doesn’t protect against gross negligence and a willful misrepresentation of facts.
I blame everyone at Oceangate that knew but didn’t say a damn thing. They should join Rush
@@tims4502 no one knew for sure it would implode, cutting corners with wiring and video game controllers and Bluetooth is one thing, but structural and composite expertise they didn't have, in fact most of us awakened to that danger right after the accident!
Optimal Sub? Or suboptimal? One or the other. Whichever is the cheaper one
This reminds me of when I was one among many back yard boat builders building our boats in an amateur boatyard. It was obvious to some of us that some of the boatbuilders and their craft should never go upon the sea.
To be 100% honest, if they had gotten a legit endorsement from Boeing, it would count against them (or at the very least be par for the course)
given the 737MAX's liking for diving and losing doors its a match made in heaven
The Hull was not built by college interns . That part was contracted out.
Either way the hull was a poor design right from the get go .
Some weren’t even out of university
*"Here kids, glue, go play"*
This really opened my eyes. I will never take a job at a company that would say "that's too expensive" towards safety
Jesus it’s like he wanted to die
I think he was driven to leave a legacy as an important person in history. His ancestor signed the Declaration of Independence.
I think he really needed the money and had to do that dive, I've noticed that he tried to train quite a few pilots for the sub, I really don't think he wanted to go down
There's some testimony I saw from some Scottish dude who opined exactly that. Then the enquiry bloke says that's not admissible.
The guy went cheap. It likely had nothing to do with proven technology because to do it properly would have cost a fortune by comparison. Stockton was arrogant to assume he knew better and reckless to take people with him.
I thought I knew it all after earning my Mechanical Engineering Degree. General Electric hired me. A fellow who became a good friend snickered at me in the FEP School and said ''You think you are hot stuff but in 2 years you will realize that you didn't know Jack Schitt.'' Very true! College Interns have very limited field experience. Stockton Rush should have known this. Maybe he thought he could get his way without being challenged by experienced personnel.
I think it's true of any field of engineering. I'm a mining engineer and all I knew when I left uni was a bunch of theory. Even 30 years later I'm still learning!
Also pay them less.
@@bcm70 I retired in 2018. I learn something new every day. I wish I could download everything I know and pass it on.
World's most elaborate multiple murder suicide.
it's crazy to think that Stockton is just an idea and not actually a person. He just instantly atomized into the ether and became just an idea
Engineering done by Engineers. What a concept. Might save your life or lack thereof could kill you.
Saw Stockton say about not wanting old white men engineers and just younger interns to work on his machines. Insane, those engineers are old for a reason
Stockton Rush was not an engineer. He has no Professional Engineer (PE) license. He only has a degree in engineering.
Can you imagine dying in a submarine but still be continuously roasted?
College interns - I would guess a lot of professionals would have said no, raised red flags, etc. So they went with people that didn’t know much better.
As mechanical engineer, it absolutely blows me away that his entire team didn't include a single Professional Engineer (PE).
For those who don't know, it is required for almost every manufacturer that creates something that could involve human life to have a PE on their staff to sign off on designs. I don't have a PE title, but I know damn well to never get involved with any project that has anything to do with the direct involvement and safety of humans.
Wasn’t Stockton an engineer?
@@yoursugarismine In USA a degree in engineering does not make you an engineer. You have to have a minimum of 4 years experience and then take and pass a two day written test to call yourself an engineer. I went through all that and I am an engineer. Stockton Rush had a degree in engineering, but he was not an engineer.
Meanwhile i watched several of those hearings,but even though i agree that they screwed up and ociangate was badly run, we always have to take into account, that it is easy for people who might share some responsibility, since they helped Rush by designing, building and operating his sub and who did not report to authorities as soon as they were concerned about life threatening security issues, to blame the guy, who can''t defend himself anymore, to be soleley responsible for everything.
All the professional contractors knew exactly how dangerous this operation was, as well as how incompetent the OceanGate staff were.
Oceangate 's sole agenda was to make money; the Titanic dives were marketed to a very wealthy clientele; so I don't even concider their dives legitimate Titanic exploration . We'll see more disasters like this in high-end extreme tourism once tourism of space becomes accessible by rich clients
Well, at least a few TH-camrs will do ok out of it.
I read about it last yr, the staff are new grads…….
Just like my property management, hiring university students under 20, with no building experience to manage the properties……. 😂😂😂 recently, they hired “older people” (Still younger than me), but they are…….visa permit workers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Their logic is based on $$$$. Not responsibility and safety
I don’t think it was all money, the older professionals they used or hired all challenged their reckless practices and left or were fired
I was in union construction for almost a decade. I am in property management now and man it really is $$$ driven and a dog or dog world! And I guess I work for one of the better management companies too!
Make sure to get a copy of your state's laws for renters. Property owners do not want you to know your rights, be prepared.
Or even governments relying on the ideas of a 16year old truant to formulate climate and energy policies
@@DanRyan-v5y yuck 🤮 you went some where weird and gross my guy
If mom never read the story of the 3 little pigs.
The fourth little pig built a house made out of titanium and carbon fiber.
@@woodym2 lol
Alvin, the most famous submersible of all time was built at a General Mills Cereal plant! The same people who maintained the mixing, baking, and packaging machinery for your Chereos built the Alvin! Nothing wrong with such people building the boat, as long as they have the proper engineering and quality assurance support
And they named it after a chipmunk.
@@barbarahenninger6642 Nope! Alan Vine
Genuinely surprised it didn't implode sooner.
Like the old saying goes you get what you pay for, you cut corners. This is what you get
Probably should've listened to the old white men...
Or young women who had even basic knowledge of physics or engineering? Looks to me (as an old woman) like it was pretty much built, operated and designed by old white men.
@@ChimpFromSpace rush wasn’t “woke”. He was cheap and demanded compliance. Good engineers are expensive and they speak their minds. Dea gave him cover, at least in my thinking.
@@RossM3838 Oh I agree 100%
2:08 too expensive to test something this important in a testing environment. Insane
It's awful how he disregarded four innocent lives. I know two passengers were qualified and should have known better, but I think they really trusted Rush and never thought he would put their lives in danger.
It’s funny now that it’s all gone wrong everyone has all these concerns but the only one who had any ball at the time was David Loughridge!
This reminds me of when John F. Kennedy junior crashed his plane and they spent millions and millions to find his body and plane..... I know damn well as somebody who flies that if my little plane ends up in the ocean ain't nobody looking for me....... The same can be said for this rich dude who Rex is submarine if he was broke no one would be having senate hearings over it
I beg to differ. With technology making building submersibles or spacecraft or other toys for the very affluent, it makes a lot of sense to do such a detailed investigation.
It wasn't that they actually cared for the dude. They have the dude killed and they wanted to find his plane and his body to make sure nobody else did.
S A M - Spot the Hazard; Assess the Risk; Make the Change ! 😮
This is like a coen brothers movie
Ikr!
"No Titanic For Old Men"
What was the time of the underwater anomaly heard by underwater microphone?
Remember reading last year he didn't want any "grey hair" engineers on the build.
He wanted young and diverse.
You are a credit to your race. Stockton Rush couldn't have been a more perfect embodiment of Captain Ahab and somehow, it was the young and diverse staff who were responsible, not the crazy, demented narcissist who thought he was such a genius that he didn't have to listen to anybody.
And malleable.
@@AtomicGirlNYC-e2sAhab at least knew what he was doing...
@@AtomicGirlNYC-e2sThe young staff had no personal experience with the consequences of corner cutting, bad engineering, and so on.
The “un inspirational 50 year old white men” who aren’t actually even close to being all white. Would’ve all been whistle blowers/walked away
"Young and diverse" is a euphemism for "We're too cheap to hire quality engineers." He hid his failure behind wokeness.
“ nothing some duck tape won’t fix” -rockhead rush
That’s sad! Some ppl with dubious character messed up the career and probably the mind of some young engineers that probably were trying to do their best and get experience .
This is turning into a pile all the fault on Stockton cause he is dead. Obviously he deserves it but other than a couple who tried to say something and were fired all these people admit to knowing the sub was bad and did nothing
2:10 This should be one of THE questions that the survivors who worked for Ocean Gate need to answer under oath: “Were the cost prohibitive decisions made re: proper testing made per the actual costs for testing services rendered? Or for the sort of-not really discussed-perception of costs to fix the umpteen million issues that certified testing would discover?” That’s the predominant thing about the carbon fiber fabrication: the only repairs are full do-overs. The other thing is this Stockton guy obviously subscribed to “sorry over please” or “better to apologize than ask permission.” Typical rich kid approach to life.
All this testimony keeps painting picture of how unbelievable that project/illusion and outfit was. Team was rag-tag, overrode own thinking; and the sub was a plastic glued ramshackle. Rush a cult/vision leader fanatic renegade coolade dispensing dictator.
Its really common in business and corporate what you describe. The difference here is that the product can squeeze you to death when you get it wrong. Many businesses make products with similar fail rates and quality... they just dont kill you.
Board: wtf does a board have to do with sub?
Ocean Gate, Virgin Galactic, and Blue Origin all took the ultra rich on a brief journey into -the ocean, or into space. The first two suffered catastrophic, deadly failures.
The Virgin Galactic disintegrated in the air, which was caused by pilot error, yet both pilots were experienced professionals, who, unlike Stockton Mush, carefully abided by safety protocols for a manned experimental rocket plane.
/In the Newtonian World
I want Bill Hader to do a movie or series on Stockton.
Who did the Stress and Quality test
His partners knew everything that Rush did and they should be held accountable
tony out here catching strays
It's actually a plus rush is dead.
The company name should have been MoronGate.
Would have never failed if Billy Mays had put it together‼️👈👀
He doesn't know the rules !
America is defenceless against its own stupidity !!
You most certainly are!
Good thing he decided not to hire old white guys. Stockton Rush actually said that.
The old white guys are still breathing though lmao!
Maybe they should go after them and hold them accountable.
As a movie script this whole thing reads like a sad tragedy where the main character stockton Rush in the middle of all the seriousness is comedy gold in monumental stupidity ahead of what we all know is coming the implosion, couple that with an actual replica taken to depth and record the implosion would be movie of the decade.
Carbon fiber has long been used in Nascar as a great weight to strength product. Not so much in submarines!
The more information that comes to light regarding oceangate ' the worse it actually gets ' red flag after red flag & a culture of shut up or theres the door ' SHOCKING 😮
Audio is way too low and hard to hear
For all those from Chicago School of Economics, Fans of the Austrian School, Ayn Rand, Milton Freedman and their calls for De-Regulation, Free-Market Economics, Smaller Government, etc. Try to Imagine How Safe Commercial Airliners and Ocean Vessels would be today, if not for stringent Engineering Oversight. Stockton Rush and later Narjollet, clearly had psychosis, bordering on suicidal ideation. The US Coast Guard and the Canadian Coast Guard, and our respective Naval Commands should NEVER have allowed Oceangate to conduct these dives. Rush should never have been allowed to depart from a U.S. or Canadian Port City. 😮.
Underlying theme seemed to have been
a proper submersible to go to the Titanic costs over 12 million and can only take one or two passengers. Then you have to a dedicated support ship with often another submersible or rovs to help out if need be.
Well, it's not just Stockton's $$. The company was funded by some investors, and there was a board of directors. The board no doubt put a lot of pressure on Stockton to make Oceangate profitable.
@@rickbase833 one guy testified a 100 million had been put into oceangate. Since he wasn't a part of the company not sure how accurate that is. The business model made no sense anyway.
Why nobody ever mentions that it doesn’t take one idiot for this mess . This was multiple idiots . Everyone who worked for oceangate played there part
The more I learn about Stockton, the less I care for him.
What is the point of all this? The company is toast, the founder was disintegrated, there’s no pool of money.
The same reason for any airplane crash investigation. A lot of the good regulations and practices were learned from blood.
To learn what and why went wrong. I believe there will be someone else in the future trying to build another titan the right way. With carbon fibre again perhaps.
Surely you mean a "shocking" claim. Please fix headline.
The more we find out the more surprising that this thing ever made any successful dives.