I think the Europeans used picture menus because it would be easier to make multiple translations, which is a priority somewhere with a zillion languages.
@@melaniel.4269 At first I thought you were being unreasonable and awfully rude. But having given it a second thought I can see you're perfectly right. You SHOULD be offended, and you certainly deserve an appology. If only people learned how to read the instruction manual these situations would be avoided. I stand with you.
@@Dinosword2000 I mean those icons usually are even rather easy and self explanatory. World Cup USA '94 is a good example, that game has the same Icons but they are easy to figure out. Dog with the flag? That means offside on/off obviously. Dog with a card? Obviously means red /yellow cards on/off. I really don't see how this is a problem or worth a criticism, especially since the documentation explains it perfectly fine (albeit maybe in broken translations, god knows that british games had the most fucked up german translations on the planet :D )
EA's Football Manager series had it in full 3D and you could put a ton of details (even the look of the player bench) in them to make them very unique. EA stopped doing them after 14 and all we have is Sega's very british, very limited Football Manager. I'm glad i grew up in Germany were he had proper Football Managers with tons of features and things to do, not just setting up your team and tactics and that's all you do.
I only ever played USM 98 on the PC. It’s the only football manager game I liked to be honest. I remember when me and a friend tried to get Leek Town and Yeovil to the Premiership! It was an amusing game but I did love certain elements that weren’t found in other football managers games. The fact that you could expand the stadium and even build food and drink outlets was great. I seem to remember that if you played the game long enough it would crash when you got to the 2006/7 season.
USM 98-99 is my favourite managing game all-time, and it's a shame they never followed on it. As for non-managerial stuff, "continental" managers are far more likely to feature them than British games that likely evolved from micros. In later Dinamic games (who did Premier Manager 97 to 99 on pc, based on PC Futbol) you also had to manage the stock of perishables for the food stalls, which is a step too far even for me. German companies like Software 2000 or Ascaron even added things like stock markets and a lot of other stuff. The later became an EA studio and released TCM/FIFA Manager for a while, which progressively kinda became a compromise between the more data-driven games and their Anstoss games.
As for picture-based menus in games. I think they were made for localization reasons. You have so many languages in Europe and back in the days people didn't speak English everywhere so it was better to have picture. I remember playing Amiga games in the 90' in Poland and believe me, having only English text on rectangles was a nightmare - we had to navigate such menus in trial and error way, memorizing what each button does (and sometimes it wasn't obvious as it could be a toggle for some obscure, in-game setting that you couldn't tell). So yeah - from a native English speaker it was probably better to stick to just text in menus, but for the rest of us pictures were really good.
Blimey, Still have my original Amiga copy of this somewhere, one of the few legit retail Amiga games I owned. Made me chuckle seeing Stafford Rangers, I was actually going to watch them back then.
A lot of those Conference sides were great names in non league football but sadly no longer exist or have reformed and are playing much further down the pyramid. I remember travelling to Runcorn on a rainy winter Tuesday night to watch Barrow play in a meaningless crappy cup game, only to see it abandoned 15 minutes before KO.
I recall playing a coverdisk demo of this, and thinking it was an attempt to take the best bits of Championship Manager and Premier Manager 2, and combine them [which, to be fair, was a pretty good idea] but that the whole was less than the sum of its parts. And you did make stadium building decisions on the Premier Manager series, although without a 3d representation of it.
So many great memories of Amiga footy sims and management games - one of the ones I enjoyed that I rarely see mentioned were the On The Ball games - remember them having rather amusing animations mid-game, would love to see you review these at some point too - keep up the great work as always! :)
I loved this game back in the day and looking at your review I'm reminded why. It has a charm and uniqueness about it. It is also a lot of fun to play.
Lovely stuff! I played this A LOT back in the day. Always reverted back to CM 94/95, but this was a corker and had so many lovely added game play options that CM never did. Stadium builder was a step up from PM2 and was a reason I was hooked. The lovely touches of the use of images like fax machine/newspaper/teletext also superb 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
USM 2 next! Mainly because it was the first footy management games I owned, and loved. That Chewits sponsorship and pre-rendered '3D' backgrounds made it feel so real!
First picture menu I can remember was on Footballer of the Year on the Spectrum, can still remember what they all did even now, but it was a right pain to learn at the time!
I always remember seeing the screenshots of this game in Gamesmaster magazine and wishing I had an Amiga to play it. The animations looked really good at the time.
Fantastic. I remember this back in the day as standing out as a bit different, even if I would just go back to CM in the end. Did you ever have a go at the On The Ball series of games? I remember them lending a little polish to football management on the Amiga.
i got this back at the time, thought it was a really good looking game. I played it a fair bit, admittedly not as much as Premier Manager or Championship Manager.
The football management games that tried to be one part Theme Park World always made me laugh. Because Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger would sit down with the catering staff at the start of the season and decide the price of hot dogs.
Think it was USM 98 on the PC that I had back in the day. Me and my brother would hotseat managing Hednesford Town in the English conference and Milan in Serie A. Turns out Hednesford are pretty good with a couple of loans from the Italian top league :D
Their is a sort of stadium builder in LMA manager, a barebones one in FA Premier League Manager 2001 And i think their is also one in FIFA soccer manager too but dont quote me on that lol
Even though I have never played this game, I felt as though I had. It was heavily advertised in the magazines at the time with an emphasis on the ability to build the stadium. That wa the feature that made me long for this game
i forget which one, but on the PC i played a manager game where i would start as gateshead, and start a second manager for man u, then sell my worst gateshead players to man u, for 10-20 million each till man u ran out of money, then quit as man u manager, leaving me in charge of lowly gateshead with 70-80 million to play with
I do miss the choice of football games (good or bad) we used to get back in the day...the cheating options are hilarious, I do remember an early fifa having the option to dive
And then This is Football came along and had dives, and legbreaking, auto-red-card two foot challenges, and for added comic relief, Midway came out and released Red Card
I'm not a fan of sports manager games, but the fun shady stuff in particular gives this game a bit of a Pizza Tycoon vibe to me. Ever played that game? 😁
I loved this video, but I have to disagree with one aspect. You say Championship manager was the best at the time, which is subjective, but the fact is USM, Player Manager and LMA manager all had graphics (however primitive), while CM was basically a menu game that looked like the aforementioned teletext. Player manager in particular had graphics in 2000 comparable to FIFA in 96, so if they kept going with the series it's possible they would currently have a game with graphics comparable to FIFA 19, while Football Manager eventually implemented a graphics engine, but it still looks terrible. I personally preferred the management options in Player Manager and Premier Manager to CM, but I suppose that's a matter of taste. It's sad that 99-2000 was a golden era of football games, and now the only options remaining are football manager and fifa. However much you love those games we lose something from having a lack of choices in the market. Anyway great video, it's great to see these games aren't lost forever
I don't know if you get this a lot Kim, but you should take pride in the fact that you managed to create a video about football that someone like me (as non-sport a plebeian as you conceive of) actually cared to watch and found interesting. It seems like a weird thought typed out like this, but here we are... :3
Right Kim, where the hell is that intro music from. For a kid born in 1983 and raised on the speccy I love your content/style. But randomly the first time I comment is to beg for the answer to your start music. Thanks
I always though that Footy manager games should allow you to cheat somehow, in the end, it's part of the real game to some extend. I imagine trying to bribe your next opponent because you desperately need that win in the last game of the season can be quite exhilarating.
Still think more games based on sports should have that bit where you can play dirty, bribe people and whatnot. Come on, we can't pretend FIFA and NBA are all squeaky clean.
Your sheer knowledge and interest in wast variety of soccer games is the gayest thing about you. I don’t care about footie, but I watched most of your soccer vids, and I love your channel!
I only ever offered 1 rig match bung.... 1m to Keegan at Newcastle.... he accepted..... still beat me 1-0.... and it got leaked and I got sacked!
Oh my God
I think the Europeans used picture menus because it would be easier to make multiple translations, which is a priority somewhere with a zillion languages.
@@melaniel.4269 Steady on, dude. Geez.
@@melaniel.4269 At first I thought you were being unreasonable and awfully rude. But having given it a second thought I can see you're perfectly right. You SHOULD be offended, and you certainly deserve an appology. If only people learned how to read the instruction manual these situations would be avoided. I stand with you.
@@Dinosword2000 I mean those icons usually are even rather easy and self explanatory. World Cup USA '94 is a good example, that game has the same Icons but they are easy to figure out. Dog with the flag? That means offside on/off obviously. Dog with a card? Obviously means red /yellow cards on/off. I really don't see how this is a problem or worth a criticism, especially since the documentation explains it perfectly fine (albeit maybe in broken translations, god knows that british games had the most fucked up german translations on the planet :D )
The game has a dark side... you can turn out the light in your office.
Wilt the plant. Push over the photo on the desk.
Stadium builder had me hooked. Wish modern games had it! Imagine how sophisticated it could be these days!
EA's Football Manager series had it in full 3D and you could put a ton of details (even the look of the player bench) in them to make them very unique. EA stopped doing them after 14 and all we have is Sega's very british, very limited Football Manager. I'm glad i grew up in Germany were he had proper Football Managers with tons of features and things to do, not just setting up your team and tactics and that's all you do.
@@melaniel.4269 too many Muslims in Germany I did want to live there at one time... can't see that happening now
I only ever played USM 98 on the PC. It’s the only football manager game I liked to be honest. I remember when me and a friend tried to get Leek Town and Yeovil to the Premiership! It was an amusing game but I did love certain elements that weren’t found in other football managers games. The fact that you could expand the stadium and even build food and drink outlets was great. I seem to remember that if you played the game long enough it would crash when you got to the 2006/7 season.
USM 98-99 is my favourite managing game all-time, and it's a shame they never followed on it.
As for non-managerial stuff, "continental" managers are far more likely to feature them than British games that likely evolved from micros. In later Dinamic games (who did Premier Manager 97 to 99 on pc, based on PC Futbol) you also had to manage the stock of perishables for the food stalls, which is a step too far even for me. German companies like Software 2000 or Ascaron even added things like stock markets and a lot of other stuff. The later became an EA studio and released TCM/FIFA Manager for a while, which progressively kinda became a compromise between the more data-driven games and their Anstoss games.
As for picture-based menus in games. I think they were made for localization reasons. You have so many languages in Europe and back in the days people didn't speak English everywhere so it was better to have picture. I remember playing Amiga games in the 90' in Poland and believe me, having only English text on rectangles was a nightmare - we had to navigate such menus in trial and error way, memorizing what each button does (and sometimes it wasn't obvious as it could be a toggle for some obscure, in-game setting that you couldn't tell). So yeah - from a native English speaker it was probably better to stick to just text in menus, but for the rest of us pictures were really good.
Blimey, Still have my original Amiga copy of this somewhere, one of the few legit retail Amiga games I owned.
Made me chuckle seeing Stafford Rangers, I was actually going to watch them back then.
A lot of those Conference sides were great names in non league football but sadly no longer exist or have reformed and are playing much further down the pyramid. I remember travelling to Runcorn on a rainy winter Tuesday night to watch Barrow play in a meaningless crappy cup game, only to see it abandoned 15 minutes before KO.
I recall playing a coverdisk demo of this, and thinking it was an attempt to take the best bits of Championship Manager and Premier Manager 2, and combine them [which, to be fair, was a pretty good idea] but that the whole was less than the sum of its parts. And you did make stadium building decisions on the Premier Manager series, although without a 3d representation of it.
George Graham Simulator '95! Damn good fun, even though I never could persuade Sir Alex to throw a match for me.
So many great memories of Amiga footy sims and management games - one of the ones I enjoyed that I rarely see mentioned were the On The Ball games - remember them having rather amusing animations mid-game, would love to see you review these at some point too - keep up the great work as always! :)
I loved this game back in the day and looking at your review I'm reminded why. It has a charm and uniqueness about it. It is also a lot of fun to play.
Lovely stuff! I played this A LOT back in the day. Always reverted back to CM 94/95, but this was a corker and had so many lovely added game play options that CM never did. Stadium builder was a step up from PM2 and was a reason I was hooked. The lovely touches of the use of images like fax machine/newspaper/teletext also superb 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
This brings back so many great memories, love this game and who knows one day may play it again (if I know how).
That stadium builder/editor just blew my mind
I loved this game so much! Hours upon hours of fun
It was my first football manager game. I loved it. Was feeling nostalgic today.
USM 2 next! Mainly because it was the first footy management games I owned, and loved. That Chewits sponsorship and pre-rendered '3D' backgrounds made it feel so real!
Chewits! Haven't thought about them in years. 80's schoolboy fuel.
i only played usm 98 but loved it so much, may have to download the original and see how far i can get with the mighty runcorn
First picture menu I can remember was on Footballer of the Year on the Spectrum, can still remember what they all did even now, but it was a right pain to learn at the time!
Damn i missed this game in my youth!! I was on to all manager games so this one i never was aware of...so much fun to be had it seems
I always remember seeing the screenshots of this game in Gamesmaster magazine and wishing I had an Amiga to play it. The animations looked really good at the time.
Fantastic. I remember this back in the day as standing out as a bit different, even if I would just go back to CM in the end. Did you ever have a go at the On The Ball series of games? I remember them lending a little polish to football management on the Amiga.
As a lover of CM 93/94 that I still play this does indeed interest me
i got this back at the time, thought it was a really good looking game. I played it a fair bit, admittedly not as much as Premier Manager or Championship Manager.
The football management games that tried to be one part Theme Park World always made me laugh. Because Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger would sit down with the catering staff at the start of the season and decide the price of hot dogs.
Good job of multitasking here; not only are you reviewing the game, but you simultaneously also manage to bag a goal for Halifax! Good going :)
excellent, though I never went down the Amiga path, these quirky old games are always interesting
Loved this game back in the day! Great video.
George Graham, the first football manager to have a licensed game
Think it was USM 98 on the PC that I had back in the day. Me and my brother would hotseat managing Hednesford Town in the English conference and Milan in Serie A. Turns out Hednesford are pretty good with a couple of loans from the Italian top league :D
Their is a sort of stadium builder in LMA manager, a barebones one in FA Premier League Manager 2001 And i think their is also one in FIFA soccer manager too but dont quote me on that lol
Even though I have never played this game, I felt as though I had. It was heavily advertised in the magazines at the time with an emphasis on the ability to build the stadium. That wa the feature that made me long for this game
I'm really not into football but you always make things interesting, that's the mark of a great content creator!
Still one of my favourites. Amazing game.
I had the PC version and it's still one of my favourite games
Love there videos and the depth you go into Kim.
Wow the city building looks great
I purposely got caught bunging and match fixing the heck out of this game. Killing the Chairman's plant was always a hometown fav ;)
i forget which one, but on the PC i played a manager game where i would start as gateshead, and start a second manager for man u, then sell my worst gateshead players to man u, for 10-20 million each till man u ran out of money, then quit as man u manager, leaving me in charge of lowly gateshead with 70-80 million to play with
Oh man. I don't even know how many times I've wanted to play a game, seen it has picture-based menus, and just went: _fuck it._
You’ve really been spoiling us Kim. Many thanks.
In the later games of the German Anstoss football manager series you could dope your players and try to bribe the referee and the opponent. 🤫
I do miss the choice of football games (good or bad) we used to get back in the day...the cheating options are hilarious, I do remember an early fifa having the option to dive
And then This is Football came along and had dives, and legbreaking, auto-red-card two foot challenges, and for added comic relief, Midway came out and released Red Card
I'm not a fan of sports manager games, but the fun shady stuff in particular gives this game a bit of a Pizza Tycoon vibe to me. Ever played that game? 😁
wow seems a lot of good videos lately!
I thoroughly enjoy that intro.
You should do a video on football manager games, loved F.A Manager and Player Manager on PS1 LMA was also good
USM and LMA are my two favourite manager franchises. Engaging why still very user friendly, I long for another LMA
I loved this video, but I have to disagree with one aspect. You say Championship manager was the best at the time, which is subjective, but the fact is USM, Player Manager and LMA manager all had graphics (however primitive), while CM was basically a menu game that looked like the aforementioned teletext. Player manager in particular had graphics in 2000 comparable to FIFA in 96, so if they kept going with the series it's possible they would currently have a game with graphics comparable to FIFA 19, while Football Manager eventually implemented a graphics engine, but it still looks terrible. I personally preferred the management options in Player Manager and Premier Manager to CM, but I suppose that's a matter of taste. It's sad that 99-2000 was a golden era of football games, and now the only options remaining are football manager and fifa. However much you love those games we lose something from having a lack of choices in the market. Anyway great video, it's great to see these games aren't lost forever
I had a soft spot for the PC version :D
I don't know if you get this a lot Kim, but you should take pride in the fact that you managed to create a video about football that someone like me (as non-sport a plebeian as you conceive of) actually cared to watch and found interesting. It seems like a weird thought typed out like this, but here we are... :3
Right Kim, where the hell is that intro music from. For a kid born in 1983 and raised on the speccy I love your content/style. But randomly the first time I comment is to beg for the answer to your start music. Thanks
It's the BBC Enterprises music that was on official BBC VHS tapes
I always though that Footy manager games should allow you to cheat somehow, in the end, it's part of the real game to some extend. I imagine trying to bribe your next opponent because you desperately need that win in the last game of the season can be quite exhilarating.
Simonsen, Joensen, Mohr. Is that the Faroese team at 1:15?
If you name your manager "make believe" you can press the +button and Just get moren money!
Please review multiplayer soccer manager it’s how manager games started for me on amiga and i took Macclesfield to European glory within 6 seasons lol
Didn't they use picture menus so that they didn't have to worry about converting text to all the different european languages?
Brilliant as always Kim.
Usm 2 was even better. Spent hours and hours on it. Really great game 😊👍
Players improved too quickly and it made the game too easy on USM 98. It also lost a lot of the quirky humour.
I just grabbed it ;)
Usm 98 is well worth your time.
Ever tried super League manager?
Still think more games based on sports should have that bit where you can play dirty, bribe people and whatnot. Come on, we can't pretend FIFA and NBA are all squeaky clean.
Your sheer knowledge and interest in wast variety of soccer games is the gayest thing about you. I don’t care about footie, but I watched most of your soccer vids, and I love your channel!
Go Stafford Rangers!
I waisted my childhood playing this game.
Magic Magic E!
Are there real players?
Halifax Town? 🤔 🤔 🤔
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Haha you can’t beat a good 16 bit manager sim
It's football 😡 and if we lose tonight all my American fb mates well make my life hell😢
Sorry Kim, not even you can make these games interesting to me.