Your guides really helped me learn how to better play the game in general and change my play style with Abathur for the better. And helped my friend better play Han & Horner. I’m really grateful for these guides and your humor is on point. I really wish Blizzard would release 1 more coop commander and I really want it to be Tosh. He disappeared from the story for no reason and he had so much more going on for him and his units than Nova did and I would love to see how he works as a commander. Thank you so much for doing these guides. I truly hope your channel grows.
Fun fact that time stop target is still global. What changes is that the targeting only summons the shadow guard. Meaning that it's still globally defensive and even more powerful offensively
I think you missed some things here: Artanis P1 works on really most of the units, since it's all active abilities. That means: -Zealot Charge speed doubled -Zealot Whirlwind damage doubled -HT/Archon Feedback and Storm damage doubled, Storm shield regen doubled -Immortal barrier health doubled (works with upgrade in robo bay, so 400% max) -Reavers scarabs build time halved -Phoenix Graviton Beam cooldown halved -Tempest Disintegration damage doubled This prestige is actually amazing. The only thing it's bad at is if you're massing dragoons, because they gain no benefit from it. If you build diverse army comp, you should be more than fine. Zagara P1: you forgot to mention that it also gives you an additional unit per zergling and scourge egg, aka now zerglings spawn in groups of 4 and scourge in groups of 3 with no additional cost. Neat. And also that you get 4 free scourge from scourge nest every now and then, just like with baneling nest. Vorazun P1: you forgot to mention propably the most important thing for this prestige: Emergency recall now respawns units at the CLOSEST dark pylon and fully heals. This is incredible, since at full mastery your dark pylons have amazing range, so when you just start a fight you put a dark pylon behind your army, everything's cloaked and anything that dies respawns back next to it, and not in your base. Also, fully healed, so it's not that they're gonna be full shield 1 hp. And tbh recall on dark pylon hurts a bit, but not that much because if you know timings, then you know when to go defend etc. Alternatively, you can just use vortex/shadow guard to stall until your army arrives f.e. for attack wave. Vorazun P3: The Time Stop ability doesn't actually change, it's still map-wide, the targeting part you make is actually the place that all the Shadow Guard is gonna spawn. So Time Stop's still broken, now even more. And also the Shadow Guard doesn't need to actually die to respawn at Time Stop - despawning actually counts as unit death, so that works too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I must say your co-op guides were very good with a great montage. Keep it up!
The thing about Raynor P1 is, that it's actually worse in most situations than p0. Disruptors will still one shot everything and storms, tanks, banes and other aoe sources will also still do significant damage. Because more of your marines survive you will also need more medics to not run out of energy, lowering your kill speed and resulting in more damage. His mules are incredibly strong because you can build like 5 additional command centers and keep dropping them that way you can instantly replace any lost unit and focus more on marines which results in higher damage output and higher kill speed. P1 is good when you can finish a map in sub 10 minutes. Everything longer than that benefits from mules. You can easily mine 50k or even more (my highest was about 78k) on certain maps when you build enough orbital commands.
I find all 3 of Kerrigan’s prestige’s very good. P1 allows for better buffs and works well with other Zerg commanders. P2 allows for a massive multi stun and is also specializes in what Grant calls Murder Kerrigan. P3 Kinetic blast and crushing grip are kind of broken. Helps get rid of Kerrigan’s weakness vs air by sniping the massive units or having a quick stun. Also the double resources from assimilation aura really helps supply both you and your ally’s army
Thanks for adding this. Gradually, I’m developing strategies for making *nearly* all prestige options fun and/or powerful, but it took me a while. The Raynor “vehicle stimpack” for instance makes a siege tank army absolutely delete everything on the ground, cuz they shoot twice as fast.
Fun Fact: If you look at artanis’s first mastery set, and the increase speed (both attack and movement) for warped in units, then look at his Nexus Legate prestige. Every time you move troops around with the power field, the effect get re-triggered.
Hi Toxic, I've watched most of your SC2 Coop commander guides and wanted to thank you for all the hard work you put in. I hope that you'll consider coming back and covering some PVE content for Stormgate.
-Talking about Vultures- “LOOK at these things, they’re fucking terrible!” ToxicSpill always keeping it real and providing us with laughs ❤️ Love your videos!!!
The MULE is indeed extremely strong. The thing with p1 Raynor is that the downside scales with how good your macro is. If you really know what you’re doing the MULE allows you to have up to twice as many bio units, so there’s your double hp and it comes with double dps too. But p1 is still very playable.
Raynor mech stim is much better for tanks and vikings, or if you're bc memeing. It's not like you can't afford to pay full price (instead of 20% less gas) for units.
I've never heard a worse review on P2 Kerrigan. It should be highly recommended for beginners as well, you can just auto-attack and after 5 shots Kerrigan will stun 12 enemies after using leap/dash. I've carried plenty of missions just by spamming 1 ability and doing over 80k damage only using Kerrigan. Folly of man greatly improves crowd control and air damage on Kerrigan.
Ok you aso missed a few things: Kerrigans P1 also allows queens keep the creep movement speed of creep and place creep tumors of creep. Artanis P2 also reapplies the movement and attack speed mastery buff on to teleported units. Zagara P1 also gives the scourge nest to produce 4 free scourge. Zagara P3 Frenzie only effects Zagara, hunter killers and roches. Vorazun P1 also revives all cloaked and burrowed units with full health at the nearest dark pylon. Swann P3 also allows science vessels to jump. Other then that great video.👍
P1 vorazun is not worth losing the only mobility vorazun has. Dark pylon teleporting is practically necessary for big maps like Lock and Load or Scythe of Amon.
Plus ctg dose not even put a spotlite on most units and his friends are kinda bad at grading stuff like Raynor's vultures they can just kill anything that walks into spider mines
I still dont understans why this perks are so fking bad and you are punished... should you not be geting stronger and not weaker... we all now beeing overpowered is fun... SC2 is dead anways so let us pls
Stormgate is coming! With 3-player coop! And coop campaigns!
Your guides really helped me learn how to better play the game in general and change my play style with Abathur for the better. And helped my friend better play Han & Horner. I’m really grateful for these guides and your humor is on point. I really wish Blizzard would release 1 more coop commander and I really want it to be Tosh. He disappeared from the story for no reason and he had so much more going on for him and his units than Nova did and I would love to see how he works as a commander. Thank you so much for doing these guides. I truly hope your channel grows.
Thank you very much, I am so happy that you enjoyed the videos!
Fun fact that time stop target is still global. What changes is that the targeting only summons the shadow guard. Meaning that it's still globally defensive and even more powerful offensively
I think you missed some things here:
Artanis P1 works on really most of the units, since it's all active abilities. That means:
-Zealot Charge speed doubled
-Zealot Whirlwind damage doubled
-HT/Archon Feedback and Storm damage doubled, Storm shield regen doubled
-Immortal barrier health doubled (works with upgrade in robo bay, so 400% max)
-Reavers scarabs build time halved
-Phoenix Graviton Beam cooldown halved
-Tempest Disintegration damage doubled
This prestige is actually amazing. The only thing it's bad at is if you're massing dragoons, because they gain no benefit from it. If you build diverse army comp, you should be more than fine.
Zagara P1: you forgot to mention that it also gives you an additional unit per zergling and scourge egg, aka now zerglings spawn in groups of 4 and scourge in groups of 3 with no additional cost. Neat. And also that you get 4 free scourge from scourge nest every now and then, just like with baneling nest.
Vorazun P1: you forgot to mention propably the most important thing for this prestige: Emergency recall now respawns units at the CLOSEST dark pylon and fully heals. This is incredible, since at full mastery your dark pylons have amazing range, so when you just start a fight you put a dark pylon behind your army, everything's cloaked and anything that dies respawns back next to it, and not in your base. Also, fully healed, so it's not that they're gonna be full shield 1 hp. And tbh recall on dark pylon hurts a bit, but not that much because if you know timings, then you know when to go defend etc. Alternatively, you can just use vortex/shadow guard to stall until your army arrives f.e. for attack wave.
Vorazun P3: The Time Stop ability doesn't actually change, it's still map-wide, the targeting part you make is actually the place that all the Shadow Guard is gonna spawn. So Time Stop's still broken, now even more. And also the Shadow Guard doesn't need to actually die to respawn at Time Stop - despawning actually counts as unit death, so that works too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But I must say your co-op guides were very good with a great montage. Keep it up!
The thing about Raynor P1 is, that it's actually worse in most situations than p0. Disruptors will still one shot everything and storms, tanks, banes and other aoe sources will also still do significant damage. Because more of your marines survive you will also need more medics to not run out of energy, lowering your kill speed and resulting in more damage. His mules are incredibly strong because you can build like 5 additional command centers and keep dropping them that way you can instantly replace any lost unit and focus more on marines which results in higher damage output and higher kill speed.
P1 is good when you can finish a map in sub 10 minutes. Everything longer than that benefits from mules. You can easily mine 50k or even more (my highest was about 78k) on certain maps when you build enough orbital commands.
Prove it
@@Otto_von_Chesterfield prove what?
@@Otto_von_Chesterfield even the coop advice site calls out how big the negative is
though you gotta admit, p1 is great for people like me who lose to a monkey in a 1v1 and like man with gun on drugs go brrrrrrr.
Scourge queen is my favorite. Probably out of all the commander prestiges.
I find all 3 of Kerrigan’s prestige’s very good. P1 allows for better buffs and works well with other Zerg commanders. P2 allows for a massive multi stun and is also specializes in what Grant calls Murder Kerrigan. P3 Kinetic blast and crushing grip are kind of broken. Helps get rid of Kerrigan’s weakness vs air by sniping the massive units or having a quick stun. Also the double resources from assimilation aura really helps supply both you and your ally’s army
Didn't expect to learn from guides cuz I've wasted so much time on coop, but the entertainment value is way through the roof
A little thing you missed on scourge queen:
It also gives you free scourges, in addition to the free banelings
Thanks for adding this. Gradually, I’m developing strategies for making *nearly* all prestige options fun and/or powerful, but it took me a while. The Raynor “vehicle stimpack” for instance makes a siege tank army absolutely delete everything on the ground, cuz they shoot twice as fast.
My 8 orbital commands and 12 barracks may disagree with you about mules not being a big deal for Raynor!
Hey there, I'd really reccomend checking out nexus coop as a mod it's really cool and I know you'd love it.
Legit, its like co-op 2.0.
Definitely not enough creators covering those complex commanders x)
Fun Fact: If you look at artanis’s first mastery set, and the increase speed (both attack and movement) for warped in units, then look at his Nexus Legate prestige. Every time you move troops around with the power field, the effect get re-triggered.
Hi Toxic, I've watched most of your SC2 Coop commander guides and wanted to thank you for all the hard work you put in. I hope that you'll consider coming back and covering some PVE content for Stormgate.
I just started watching your videos and I'm addicted lol. Great job
-Talking about Vultures-
“LOOK at these things, they’re fucking terrible!”
ToxicSpill always keeping it real and providing us with laughs ❤️
Love your videos!!!
Sorry to burst your Phoenix lift bubble.
But Nexus coop is now available and you can review it.
And it's got 15 new commanders...
Isn't mule super strong? Obviously you need to actually use them but I wouldn't say that it a non existent downside
I never used em i just scanned
The MULE is indeed extremely strong. The thing with p1 Raynor is that the downside scales with how good your macro is. If you really know what you’re doing the MULE allows you to have up to twice as many bio units, so there’s your double hp and it comes with double dps too. But p1 is still very playable.
Yea the mule is strong but this guy is just bad at starcraft AND at reading what the prestige actually does. Some do way more than what he presented
Can you also cover nexus coop (its a co-op mod- 15 fan made commnaders)
very cool and informative content, keep it up!
Raynor mech stim is much better for tanks and vikings, or if you're bc memeing.
It's not like you can't afford to pay full price (instead of 20% less gas) for units.
I've never heard a worse review on P2 Kerrigan. It should be highly recommended for beginners as well, you can just auto-attack and after 5 shots Kerrigan will stun 12 enemies after using leap/dash. I've carried plenty of missions just by spamming 1 ability and doing over 80k damage only using Kerrigan. Folly of man greatly improves crowd control and air damage on Kerrigan.
"Valorous" is not "various", it's an offshoot of "valor" (val-or) as in bravery.
Could you make a tier list and coop for nexus coop?
5:22 commandant* unless thats the joke lol.
Grease monkey sounds interesting will definitely give it a try
I always thought that would be OP defense with p1 karax
It's good but if you want defense P1 Karax does it better. I play Swann if I want to do offense while having better defense than standard.
@@adrenalinekick but what about both?
@@SIMULACRA37 u prob will not have sufficent space for both of their static def, a bit overkill in defence and not optimal on attack imho
Ok you aso missed a few things:
Kerrigans P1 also allows queens keep the creep movement speed of creep and place creep tumors of creep.
Artanis P2 also reapplies the movement and attack speed mastery buff on to teleported units.
Zagara P1 also gives the scourge nest to produce 4 free scourge.
Zagara P3 Frenzie only effects Zagara, hunter killers and roches.
Vorazun P1 also revives all cloaked and burrowed units with full health at the nearest dark pylon.
Swann P3 also allows science vessels to jump.
Other then that great video.👍
P1 vorazun is not worth losing the only mobility vorazun has. Dark pylon teleporting is practically necessary for big maps like Lock and Load or Scythe of Amon.
Ohai, can I make a video talking about how terrible your advice is?
It's not even the bad advice. it's the misinformationo the bothers me.
LETS GO!!!!!!!
Finally you have returned
I like how you always keep a lot of emotion in you voice instead of the borderline monotone of CTG.
Plus ctg dose not even put a spotlite on most units and his friends are kinda bad at grading stuff like Raynor's vultures they can just kill anything that walks into spider mines
weble waider
Ayo new video hell ya love the videos man all I can ask for is please add a voice chat for coop on your discord
Yeah i like backwater marshal , it's like playing the og StarCraft
ToxicSpill
Rebel raider is kinda meh,your early game is really bad that you need a lot more help
am I the only one who noticed that he missed swain? 😅
I still dont understans why this perks are so fking bad and you are punished... should you not be geting stronger and not weaker... we all now beeing overpowered is fun... SC2 is dead anways so let us pls