Stop ALL politicians claiming expenses anything for warming their homes. Turn the thermostat in parliament down to 13 degrees for the winter. Lets see how popular that is
They certainly won’t withdraw their own heating allowance or any of their very generous expenses. What a bunch of vile hypocrites. Is it democracy when Starmer threatens Labour MPs who vote against him with removal of the whip. How can it be democratic when people are told how to vote on an issue. The majority of MPs are up to the necks in the trough. I watched the parliamentary debate and Labour MPs cheered when they won the vote. It made me want to throw up.
But they have made it known and you are writing comments about it on a public forum - they have started a debate that will run and run because oap`s are now the media interest lost cause to champion at the moment - it suits a certain narrative comparing the cost of illegal immigration. " completely seperate issue yet certain M.P`s talk of nothing else in the House of Commons which has no impact on state pensioners woes at all.
The threshold for the credit was last changed in 2019. The tories just sat and watched as poverty among pensioners got worse and worse with inflation, not changing that threshold, for 5 years, but _now_ they care? It's engineered outrage. The only adaptation has to be a rise of the threshold, and make it a diminishing limit. End of story.
I warned the people about bojo t,hey gave him a landslide victory, I warned the people about Starmer they gave him a landslide victory. The people stabbed Corbyn in the back. Now they take the consequences. SUFFER!
Spend your saving give it away to your kids not rocket science people spend it or give to family or me lol help age nose day coming soon I hope fuel money on BBC tv
thats what they have done, everyone keeps saying that winter fuel is gone its not its means tested so people thats not on pension credit can’t get it thats all (the wealthy pensioners can’t apply for pension credit)
@@jacquamtobin-ht9iyno, it's also tied to a benefit many pensioners can't get on which starts with a 246 question form that asks everything except the colour of your underwear. One question wrong & you don't get the benefit or the WFP. 😢
I don`t agree - abstention can mean you want to see more information and possibly an adjustment to the policy. However the vote was about a motion submitted by the opposition ( conservative) rather than the substantive government policy and the gov won the vote.
No - the easy road would have been to vote for the conservative amendment but government is team game and if you want to be seen as a serious contender for a position in cabinet you cannot make waves at the start of your career lest you are banished to the dark recesses of the back benches screming from the shadows,
@@gorgu08low-income pensioners may qualify for "Grundsicherung im Alter" (basic income support), which helps cover living and healthcare costs if their pension is insufficient. Data from the German Federal Ministry of Health shows that over 90% of Germans, including most pensioners, are covered by GKV, ensuring broad healthcare access.
It's not only the smallest. It is also paid for the least time. Starts late and finishes early because people die younger in the UK. Women in France life expectancy 86. Women in UK life expectancy 81. It all stinks to high heaven.
For those complaining, how many died during 14 years of Austerity under the Conservatives? How many died while the Conservatives partied away during Covid? How many pensioners did you see using warm spaces and food banks, even when they got the Winter Fuel payment? I find it crazy how everybody gets angry over a few rich pensioners not getting their Winter fuel payment. But making school meals a Universal benefit? Oh no, that's not OK and it would be wasted on rick kids...
@@sheilamallett2741they haven’t. Pensioners (ex pats) living in Europe, Switzerland, Finland, Iceland and Liechtenstein will still get the WFP regardless of their financial status. It was part of the Brexit agreement.
@@janetnaffine9508because they have cold winters in those countries. People in France, Spain and warmer countries haven't received winter fuel payments since around 2012/13. Ian Duncan Smith sorted that one
I don't know if it's £3000 but they can claim for their energy bills in their second homes, as well as claiming for the rent, water, council tax and other things.
Choices....Labour could cut unnecessary foreign aid... Not given huge pay rises without even a negotiation.... Looked at cutting back in other spending as any business owners would do ( these have no experience at running a business) etc.... but.... literally creating a death sentence for thousands of its own elderly people, especially if we have a bad winter is INEXCUSABLE...FULL STOP 🛑
@@redboyjanTory shut down the entire economy and country to save the elderly and vulnerable... You probably went along with it. Do you know how deadly the cold is for elderly?
Many things could have been cut aid to India, China and others, but they decided to cut fuel payments to pensioners. Ok some pensioners don't need it but the bar was set to low.
AID TO INDIA WAS CUT 12years ago and INDIA DOES NOT NEED their own money which is stolen from them for 350years THEY ARE DOING WELL and they dont need any refund of the loot money ASK your favourtie labour to stop illegal immigrants and fund donation to Bangladesh and stop boats the we pensioner will not bear your labour govt costs
Budget is in October when they will announce everything else. Have to announce heating as people would need to be aware pre-September. I presume we'll see alot of tax rises across the board, not sure why pensioners think they're special and should be exempt
@@jackperry2821 Because they've paid into the system for 40+ years and fought for these rights all their lives. You will actually get your karma when you retire (if anyone will be able to in 30/40 years time) into absolute poverty because you ignored the consequences of what you demanded in 2024.
@@infrasleep yeah we’ve also paid into the system all our lives and fought for the rights so that is a non argument. We can’t afford to pay for an extra child benefit, but can afford to people who didn’t save?
I like Darren Jones but even he cannot justify what just happened. There is absolutely no way Labour will be able to flower up this despicable evil decision against the country’s most vulnerable demographic. Labour will always be remembered as the party that kicked the defenceless while they’re already on the floor
Reminds me when the Tories partied, joked about 'letting the bodes pile high' while pensioners were dying in their homes. Theyre between a rock and a hard place.
@@drummingtildeath It is not awarded automatically. There is a difference between claiming a benefits and being awarded. Generally about 6 weeks. Assuming they live that long. What about the 1000 or more that Labour have projected will die as a result of their policy?
@@drummingtildeathyes it does as it will now have people who will slip through the net. How can we younger people moan about wages, housing etc etc and then allow this. I can't stand the Tories but Labour has ruined any chance of re-election. They're done. You watch the backlash in the local elections.
I dunno, if we can't afford to pay for an extra child benefit, a child that cannot pay it's way, why should we for pensioners who have had their whole life to save? I get it, pensioners want this to seem like the worst thing in the world, but it's not. The pensioners are not exempt to rebuild society.
@@jamesholt4449 Ah the clarion call of the Labour party. "We are useless and make stuff up that was not in our manifesto but don't notice that look at what the conservatives did"? You mean giving all our money to Ukraine? which Labour agreed with. or locking everyone in their homes whilst BLM marched on the streets? which Labour agreed with.
Ukraine can be funded. We in britain were once funding china, USSR, france, america, poland, all of africa in 1942 we can handle one country in this age. Know how they did it in 1942? The top 1% were taxes 97 and a half % tax to the government and the average joe around 20% of their income These days we all pay the same. Theres your issue. It should be 10% for the 90% and 50% for the top 1%ers of society. They make it back in a fckn week.
@@jdizzle1779 difference being trade with china is keeping them from invading taiwan which has a pact with america for defence and since britain has a pact with the USA we'd be fighting that too, so if we keep trade with china correctly we earn more than we lose from them. India hates us so idk why were still imvolved with them after all Tata steel bought all the british steelworks and now closes them all
@@jdizzle1779irrelevant, the point is who pays taxes & the richest pay less than the rest of us plus they get loopholes through which they pay zero tax!
@@alanhat5252 not irrelevant at all. India have a space programme yet we give millions to them. I agree tax loopholes should be closed as should cash only and self employed tax avoidance. No reason you can't do both and actually spend British tax revenue in Britain seeing as we are oh so skint
Labour had access to finance records months before they took power. Tgey knew how bad they were but still gave the public sector worker pay rises and foreign aid payouts, making the situation even worse.
They were paid by the taxpayer to be the opposition so had sight of government financial data for the last 14 years. Or were they as incompetent in opposition as they are in government. Liebour stinks.
Reeves stood at the dispatch box 10 years ago and tabled scrapping the WFP. She always wanted to do this. What an appalling woman. She is the sole reason I couldn't vote for Labour.
Framing the public sector pay increases as a choice is pathetic. They were backed by the independent pay review body, and they merely returned the salaries back to the level of a few years ago. Without it, you'd effectively be cutting the pay of public sector works, which means private sector is more appealing - that means lower quality employees
@@ster2600 Increasing politician's pay was a choice and they are public sector workers. Are they useful or value for money? They are certainly lower quality employees.
@@ster2600 you haven’t taken in the cost of living rise! Therefore, it will only be £200 given over 12 months , well below the cost of living. Don’t forget Reeves is doing this so she can tax them.
The people around the Country don’t like this. Many Labour MP’s have expressed privately and publicly that they don’t like this either. All other political parties and the media don’t like this. Even the Unions don’t like this. I think this will come back to haunt Dear Leader Keir.
@@melvinplant8637 People didn't vote for it. How could they, it was not in the Labour election manifesto for people to decide on when the general election came? They made the decision AFTER the election.
Labour are to blame. Professor Richard Murphy explains why this is political choice and nothing to do with our economy. In fact it will cost more in the long term.
I think when a new government is elected - all ministers should be sworn in - an oath to the Country and its Peoples- to uphold the mandate that they were voted on! To work in the best interests of the Country and it Peoples with honour and integrity . To show respect for other political viewpoints. To be positive, effective and accountable in their daily work and when representing the Country and the Peoples at home and abroad !
They do take an oath to the country, they just break that oath. That the reason Sinn Fein are not allowed to vote in parliament even tho they have 7 seats. They refuse to take the oath.
The over 65s are now the least deprived cohort in this country. The winter fuel payment is a benefit and should be for the most deprived in this country
Lowest amount of what? The state pension is less than 14k. On 14k you'd pay about £250 in taxes per year as a pensioner. If you were working age, you'd pay £350. Does that sound fair?
@@ster2600 You are quite correct, however, the allowances are not going to change since last year, which brings people on low incomes into the tax bracket. When I started paying into a private pension, I paid tax on my payments then, so now, I am being double taxed.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars well the numbers look much worse for working people if you increase the salary. Someone has to do low paid jobs, and I'm assuming you would prefer not to increase immigration?
@@Samweak Sir Keir Flipflop is trying to beat you to it. He is trying to abolish that pesky democracy thing, where people are allowed say things the govt doesn't like.
speak for yourself, I dont mind this decision I dont want to pay for a bonus fuel payment for wealthy old people. People who need the money will still get it.
The logic in Labour announcing this first is so when they make more cuts - the unemployed and disabled as usual - they can carry on with the Osborne/Cameron trajectory and say "we're all in it together" and the other lie about "those with the broadest shoulders etc" Cuts to other vulnerable groups won't get this level of attention either
When they take money off people less will be spent in shops, hospitality ect which results in job losses and businesses closing,which causes a recession,that looks what is going to happen
@@danielbillingsley8073what IAM saying is that when the government take money off people less is spent in the economy,that includes everybody not just pensioners
@@danielbillingsley8073The point is clearly that money spent on energy bills and other essentials is not available to be spent on discretionary items and experiences. Therefore it contributes to pubs, restaurants, shops etc. closing. Which means less employment, less tax collected, more benefits paid and a yet more barren high street. It's all connected.
14 year in opposition a merchant banker for chancellor ,could they not shut loopholes in tax system which most pundits will agree could save £350 billion
@@davidwhite5377are you for real? There is clearly no intention to process illegal immigrants - as evidenced by nearly all Western governments sitting on their hands over the issue at best, and positively welcoming them with an open taxpayer cheque book, otherwise. Wake up and stop trying to rationalise through a political lense. The blame game is childish - every political side is at it in doing the exact opposite of what voters want when it comes to immigration.
They aren't getting 4 or 5 star hotel treatment, they are living in squalor in what once was nice hotels, the way you phrase this is extremely disingenuous
Urban myth. The evil 1% pay 30% of tax revenue (ONS). They can and will leave meaning the tax lost has to be paid by us plebes-in 1970's the basic rate tax was 33%-nobody stayed to pay the 90% top rate. There was virtually zero investment in any new products/tech and the country went bankrupt in 1976-forced to beg from the IMF. This WILL happen again. Ireland/Luxembourg-just two of the huge beneficiaries of Starmers childish illiterate policies.
I warned the people about bojo t,hey gave him a landslide victory, I warned the people about Starmer they gave him a landslide victory. The people stabbed Corbyn in the back. Now they take the consequences. SUFFER!
Many voted Brexit, that's £1k worse off for everyone and many voted Tory syphoning off money rather than more for the NHS or growing the economy. So many are to blame and over 810,000 have income over £51k. Hard to argue they should have the benefit when so many workers are on a lot less... That said need to do a lot more for those less well off.
Exactly your age is irrelevant in this matter. Respect the eldery prioritise them etc but their are classes of OAP and a rich oap has a much better life than a poor oap.@tompearce3610
@@LordBallSac yes and to be realistic, those OAPs that own their own homes may have more disposable income than someone in a low pay job that's renting or many with a mortgage or with children. Not meaning to bash OAPs but I think we need to look at wider support for the less well off population as a whole and less support for the wealthy.
People of my generation have profited from cheap housing, final salary pensions, early retirement on full index linked pensions from public sector jobs, absolutely huge rises in property values, free further education. And now my contemporaries think that they should continue to benefit above young families who can't feed or clothe their children or pay their rent. While enjoying their unlimited free transport and apart from the richest, fuel allowances, Pensioners are by far the richest demographic in the whole country.
As someone about to become a pensioner, I wholeheartedly agree. Our generation should not be expecting youngsters on low wages and little hope of enjoying the same lifestyles as we did to fund our lifestyles in retrirement. Means testing the winter fuel payments is absolutely the right thing to do so that it can be targeted at those who need it.
Not all of our generation had public sector jobs, went to university or could afford anything more than a small terraced or semi. I worked from 17 to 68, always private sector, always low paid because as a female of that time careers were not 'on the cards' for many with no childcare and low paid work to fit around family. My private pension amounts to £160 per month and from last year I have had to pay tax. I have never begrudged the tax I paid during my working life to help fund those who needed help and I do not begrudge it now. I am fortunate in that my husband is still with me so we have a combined income. This is not the case for everyone. However to watch MPs cheering at yesterday's result regarding WFA sickened me to the core. I can manage but many cannot and we would do well to reflect that not all pensioners in the UK are as fortunate as others.
Such a simplistic view of 'your generation' and all the benefits they supposedly had. It wasn't that way for most people, life has always been a struggle
You don't give your age so it's not possible to know ' your generation' but here's a few things that may apply to some of those pensioners losing their WFP. Compulsory national service, Industrial accidents Industrial disease Outdoor toilets Sharing toilets with neighbours Tin baths No electricity Unable to go to university because it was too expensive Mass unemployment in the 80s
But all quiet as how they intend to cut the £4.2b a year cost of the hotels for illegal immigrants that will be nice and warm this winter in there hotels
@@nigeltrigger4499 but I’m not confused about the fact the Labour Party haven’t proposed to do anything to cut the £4.2b deficit from the £22b beginning spent on illegal immigrant hotels that are bleeding the economy dry at a cost to pensioners and hard working taxpayers
Well, obviously they can't, or it would be economically unwise, which if you thought logically you'd realise seeing as the Conservatives also didn't do anything about it
Or the fact they are going to lock up people who notice them being housed in said hotels at taxpayers expense, whilst releasing criminals early who are likely to go on to re-offend.
Can you have an overdraft if you own the bank, political commentators shouldn't allow politicians to get away with this kind of financially illiterate argument, including comparing the government budget to a household one, its maddening. Edit, 2 people so far mentioning the magic money tree in comments to this, that's a right wing framing, there's always more money for things the government wants, try educating yourself rather than regurgitating them uncritically.
Absolutely spineless MPs frightened to vote against the motion frightened of losing the whip. Yet Rachel Reeves can claim approx £4000 for her heating just before the vote
I notice a lot of comments being deleted, not just mine but ones I engaged with. Is it youtube algo or are LBC employing someone to delete comments they don't like? 🤔
there are many retired folk who are comfortably well off, it is sensible to means test the winter fuel payment, the tories would have done the same, no matter how much they deny this fact
Define many? Is that the retired folks in your mind? Because here in the real world, according to the govt's own figures and ageUK, at least 60% of pensioners are "treading water" or struggling to make ends meet.
@@AdeSwash That is what you took from my statement? If 60% are barely making ends meet, you really think the other 40% are not also close to it. Not every pensionser, not even the other 40% are Elon Musk. Especially given that Labour have said they will not meet their actual manifesto commitments which were a cap on energy price rises. So it is a double whammy on pensioners.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars I believe that the criteria for receiving the wfa is that you are already in recept of pension credi and have less than 10k savings? Is this correct
how much of uk problems are caused by derivatives trading.They played a large part in the last banking crash which we paid for.Are they one of the reasons for having to cut heating allowance for pensioners ?.They are no more than a gambling tool and should be banned.
The crash was down to Brown (Labour) dropping all the restrictions on Banks /derivatives-who but Brown thought 150% mortgages were a great idea? They are no justifiable reasons for cutting OAP money-they've paid in for 40+ years and fought for these rights. Old Labour "Means tests mean poverty traps" and they debunked the Tories urban myths about millionaires on benefits, Now "Labour" are creating the traps AND the urban myths to go with them.
stop talking about the Tories, look you guys are worse, all Labour can talk about are the Tories - what are labours policies????????? Except to blame others, its dispacable how Labour has stopped the Fuel Allowance for people who are old and vulnerable
A government will always throw a few unaffordable economic sweeteners just before an election, so the first few (maybe 18) months will always be difficult. The Tory government were still blaming Labour after 14 years in power though. That should have been enough time to sort anything out, but they didn't.
Labour has not stopped the Winter Fuel Payment for the poorest pensioners. It has stopped the Winter Fuel Payments for pensioners who do not get Pension Credit, which is a means-tested benefit for the poorest pensioners.
So much hope was pinned on a new government, and all we've got is more misery. Sorry I voted for this lot, at least with the Tories you knew you had out and out crooks.
Surely there will have be some scaling down of the cruel policy. What about the seriously ill pensioners being cared for at home - they must be kept warm to survive. Anyone over 80 should be exempt this ruling !! A clueless policy demanded by only 20% of the electorate.
Definitely needs to be means tested and not restricted to pensioners, but stopping it like that is crazy. People will die and Labour will be blamed. Its going to be tragic.
Taking away this winter fuel payment was NOT in Labours mandate. GET IT RIGHT. Blaming some 'invisible' black hole is no excuse, difficult decisions is no excuse. These statements are well used by all Labour MPs in their scripts when on TV and in parliament.
Why do they keep saying that we pensioners are getting,the triple lock next year, of £400 per year,but took £300 ,from us ,so we will only £100 more next year ,it doesn’t add up
All Parliamentary votes on motions not explicitly part of the Manifesto of the governing party should be secret. That would allow MPs to vote in a representative way for pop-up policies.
the government doesnt have an overdraft, this is not personal finances. liking it to a household budget shows either contempt for the public or a severe lack of understanding of government financing and economics. the government does not use tax for day to day spending. this is economic illiteracy.
I warned the people about bojo t,hey gave him a landslide victory, I warned the people about Starmer they gave him a landslide victory. The people stabbed Corbyn in the back. Now they take the consequences. SUFFER!
I think they all lie, the politically system is finished. Don't think I can wait another 14 years for things to get better, The Tories also have to look at themselves for this to happen. Tax the rich.
Labour can try spin it anyway they want but they are making the same political CHOICE that David Cameron and George Osbourne made in 2010 by pursuing austerity. It's embarrassing.
If labour wants to save money on any overspending then maybe Starmer and his cronies should give up there wages for for a year or two because they are over paid and they're all millionaires anyway so they can afford to live of there savings for that long.
@bluelit4830 true they don't get paid a billion collectively but it would help towards it instead of taking it from those that will need it in the winter. Also if labour hadn't given 9 billion to there union friend as paid rises that was far more than the average percentage increase in wages that everyone else gets would of helped to. Why are we paying for the unions for train drivers and such anyway? You do know the train companies are no longer Nationalised any more. They're all privately owned companies sold off by Margaret Thatcher in the 80s. So why are tax payers footing the bill and not the private companies that own them?
You'd think that the energy companies would have a spare billion quid or two from record profits made during last winter's cost of living crisis. There was a clamour then for a windfall tax. But now in power, Labour's first instinct is to go after pensioners?
They should remove there own £3700 heating payments they get and give that to the pensioners ,they do not need this benefit they earn enough to not need it.
Stop defending the indefensible. Those spineless Labour MPs should hold their heads in shame. By the way Starmer, you don't have a mandate to do this, you've gone against every one of your election promises, and the manifesto that you were voted on.
Yup, you're saying exactly what the Tories wanted you to say when they hid that financial blackhole. They knew what was coming, they warned us about it all the way through the election campaign. Were they more astute than everyone else?? No!!! They were the only ones who knew the TRUE state of the economy.
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Stop ALL politicians claiming expenses anything for warming their homes. Turn the thermostat in parliament down to 13 degrees for the winter. Lets see how popular that is
Can the people request an independent audit on our finances.
It wouldn't make any difference because they're all blowing hot air!
They certainly won’t withdraw their own heating allowance or any of their very generous expenses. What a bunch of vile hypocrites. Is it democracy when Starmer threatens Labour MPs who vote against him with removal of the whip. How can it be democratic when people are told how to vote on an issue. The majority of MPs are up to the necks in the trough. I watched the parliamentary debate and Labour MPs cheered when they won the vote. It made me want to throw up.
Well done John Trickett for voting against his party!
MP's abstaining are cowards.
If they believe something is wrong then they should make it known.
What the point of them if they don't act.
Looking after themselves first, as all MPs have done
If they vote against they will be kicked out - better to be in and influence change rather than booted out.
But they have made it known and you are writing comments about it on a public forum - they have started a debate that will run and run because oap`s are now the media interest lost cause to champion at the moment - it suits a certain narrative comparing the cost of illegal immigration. " completely seperate issue yet certain M.P`s talk of nothing else in the House of Commons which has no impact on state pensioners woes at all.
You must be new to politics
@@pamvarnsverry2444 Can help thinking the OAP thing is deflecting off the immigration topic for Labour
On TV today a person was just £2.60 over, and could not get OAP's Pension Credits, 1000s are in this position..
Quite
The threshold for the credit was last changed in 2019. The tories just sat and watched as poverty among pensioners got worse and worse with inflation, not changing that threshold, for 5 years, but _now_ they care?
It's engineered outrage. The only adaptation has to be a rise of the threshold, and make it a diminishing limit. End of story.
I warned the people about bojo t,hey gave him a landslide victory, I warned the people about Starmer they gave him a landslide victory. The people stabbed Corbyn in the back. Now they take the consequences. SUFFER!
Spend your saving give it away to your kids not rocket science people spend it or give to family or me lol help age nose day coming soon I hope fuel money on BBC tv
All welfare payments have cut off points. Winter fuel allowance is now means-tested, just like other benefits such as universal credit.
Then take it off the billionaires
thats what they have done, everyone keeps saying that winter fuel is gone its not its means tested so people thats not on pension credit can’t get it thats all (the wealthy pensioners can’t apply for pension credit)
Clueless!
@@jacquamtobin-ht9iy the point is the bar is too low
@@jacquamtobin-ht9iyno, it's also tied to a benefit many pensioners can't get on which starts with a 246 question form that asks everything except the colour of your underwear. One question wrong & you don't get the benefit or the WFP. 😢
Abstention is cowardice
Yip, my MP. I am glad I didn't vote for her.
I don`t agree - abstention can mean you want to see more information and possibly an adjustment to the policy. However the vote was about a motion submitted by the opposition ( conservative) rather than the substantive government policy and the gov won the vote.
Yeah no backbone
I had respect for Mr Jones now
No - the easy road would have been to vote for the conservative amendment but government is team game and if you want to be seen as a serious contender for a position in cabinet you cannot make waves at the start of your career lest you are banished to the dark recesses of the back benches screming from the shadows,
Andrew.......UK State Pension is one of the lowest in the EU….Thats why OAP’S need “Winter Fuel Payment”..🥶🥶🥶.
There is no universal free healthcare in those European countries….
@@gorgu08low-income pensioners may qualify for "Grundsicherung im Alter" (basic income support), which helps cover living and healthcare costs if their pension is insufficient. Data from the German Federal Ministry of Health shows that over 90% of Germans, including most pensioners, are covered by GKV, ensuring broad healthcare access.
It's not only the smallest. It is also paid for the least time. Starts late and finishes early because people die younger in the UK. Women in France life expectancy 86. Women in UK life expectancy 81. It all stinks to high heaven.
But they hate benefit scrounges, don’t they? They voted Tory 14 years for that.
Maybe they should have had less avacado on toast?
State Pension verses cost of living; the UK state pension is the lowest in the EU.
Nice try Andrew! Not a chance. This falls at Labour and kier starmers feet!!!!!
What does?
@@nigeltrigger4499the crippled country they have inherited
@@nigeltrigger4499can i answer?
The ppe receipts for cronies of the conservatives party 😊
@BumberClarke er.....what is the heating allowance for MPs? Or how much on foriegn aid / investment?
@@jimmylovescake6813 sorry I don’t have those exact figures at hand 🤚
They can remove winter fuel allowance for pensioners living in warmer climates .
They did.
For those complaining, how many died during 14 years of Austerity under the Conservatives?
How many died while the Conservatives partied away during Covid?
How many pensioners did you see using warm spaces and food banks, even when they got the Winter Fuel payment?
I find it crazy how everybody gets angry over a few rich pensioners not getting their Winter fuel payment. But making school meals a Universal benefit? Oh no, that's not OK and it would be wasted on rick kids...
@@sheilamallett2741they haven’t. Pensioners (ex pats) living in Europe, Switzerland, Finland, Iceland and Liechtenstein will still get the WFP regardless of their financial status. It was part of the Brexit agreement.
@@janetnaffine9508because they have cold winters in those countries. People in France, Spain and warmer countries haven't received winter fuel payments since around 2012/13.
Ian Duncan Smith sorted that one
@@suewilkinson993Janet is spot on, it was part of the Brexit agreement.
I have heard that ministers claim 3ooo pound a year to heat their homes true or false?
TRUE SO TRUE,RACHEL THIEVES HAS CLAIMED £4,000 FOR HER HEATING ALLOWANCE WHILE I SIT WITH MY DOG ROUND MY NECK.
I don't know if it's £3000 but they can claim for their energy bills in their second homes, as well as claiming for the rent, water, council tax and other things.
In fact, Starmer is saying exactly black is white! 😡
No , the fuel payment all that needed was a higher threshold . But never will the government vote to take away their fuel allowance ,oh no .
Why did it need a higher threshold?
Because many people have fallen through the cracks.
@@nigeltrigger4499 Because we're talking about 17k being the cut off. Hardly rolling in it...
@@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207 Nobody said "rolling in it" - the payment is aimed at those in need!
@@DCDPM Who has?
Labour are to blame. No one else. Spin it how you like, we know the truth.
Blame for what? You are disingenuous - It is the Labour who inherited this situation from the Tories!
@@nigeltrigger4499winter fuel being taken away , Labour always blame someone else
How can you actually be so slow?
@@nigeltrigger4499I think the words labour are not
You very obviously don't
Choices....Labour could cut unnecessary foreign aid... Not given huge pay rises without even a negotiation.... Looked at cutting back in other spending as any business owners would do ( these have no experience at running a business) etc.... but.... literally creating a death sentence for thousands of its own elderly people, especially if we have a bad winter is INEXCUSABLE...FULL STOP 🛑
They are having to do that anyway, huge huge tory brexit hole to fill
Huge Ukraine, Israel and migrant hole nothing to do with Brexit.
@@redboyjanTory shut down the entire economy and country to save the elderly and vulnerable...
You probably went along with it.
Do you know how deadly the cold is for elderly?
@@redboyjanyou're killing grandma
@@lissamae8719 brexit has cost us BILLIONS.
Many things could have been cut aid to India, China and others, but they decided to cut fuel payments to pensioners. Ok some pensioners don't need it but the bar was set to low.
AID TO INDIA WAS CUT 12years ago and INDIA DOES NOT NEED their own money which is stolen from them for 350years THEY ARE DOING WELL and they dont need any refund of the loot money ASK your favourtie labour to stop illegal immigrants and fund donation to Bangladesh and stop boats the we pensioner will not bear your labour govt costs
Budget is in October when they will announce everything else. Have to announce heating as people would need to be aware pre-September.
I presume we'll see alot of tax rises across the board, not sure why pensioners think they're special and should be exempt
@@jackperry2821 Because they've paid into the system for 40+ years and fought for these rights all their lives. You will actually get your karma when you retire (if anyone will be able to in 30/40 years time) into absolute poverty because you ignored the consequences of what you demanded in 2024.
@@infrasleep yeah we’ve also paid into the system all our lives and fought for the rights so that is a non argument.
We can’t afford to pay for an extra child benefit, but can afford to people who didn’t save?
@jackperry2821 didn't pay for as long as a pensioner would. Stop.comparing yourself to pensioners doesn't make sense.they paid in much longer.
I like Darren Jones but even he cannot justify what just happened. There is absolutely no way Labour will be able to flower up this despicable evil decision against the country’s most vulnerable demographic. Labour will always be remembered as the party that kicked the defenceless while they’re already on the floor
Reminds me when the Tories partied, joked about 'letting the bodes pile high' while pensioners were dying in their homes. Theyre between a rock and a hard place.
Oh come on, it literally does not affect the most vulnerable since it's means tested.
@@drummingtildeath It is not awarded automatically. There is a difference between claiming a benefits and being awarded.
Generally about 6 weeks. Assuming they live that long. What about the 1000 or more that Labour have projected will die as a result of their policy?
@@drummingtildeathyes it does as it will now have people who will slip through the net. How can we younger people moan about wages, housing etc etc and then allow this. I can't stand the Tories but Labour has ruined any chance of re-election. They're done. You watch the backlash in the local elections.
I dunno, if we can't afford to pay for an extra child benefit, a child that cannot pay it's way, why should we for pensioners who have had their whole life to save?
I get it, pensioners want this to seem like the worst thing in the world, but it's not. The pensioners are not exempt to rebuild society.
Labour's own analysis, in 2017 when the tories considered this cut, found around 4,000 would die as a result of their choices.
Last winter 5,000 died of the cold. 😢
If you abstain, you are voting for it! We want all their names!
KS and the 50 cowards who can only face up to the most vulnerable. When will we see them ride again, Oct?
Endless bleak, dreary... Starmer in a nutshell.
Why can’t bus drivers get pay rise to 70k?
Who's to blame for it? The people that thought it up and the people that voted for it.
It was not in Labour's manifesto at the time of the general election, how could people vote for it?
Are we forgetting the damage the conservatives did?
@@jamesholt4449 Ah the clarion call of the Labour party.
"We are useless and make stuff up that was not in our manifesto but don't notice that look at what the conservatives did"?
You mean giving all our money to Ukraine? which Labour agreed with.
or locking everyone in their homes whilst BLM marched on the streets? which Labour agreed with.
Very proud that I voted to take away handouts to wealthy pensioners
@@ster2600 Are you proud of the early release of prisoners to make way for people who criticise the Labour govt?
At least the pensioners can take the credit for stopping a run on the pound😂😂
billions to Ukraine billions on overseas climate , billions for illegal immigrants, are priorities are all wrong
Ukraine can be funded. We in britain were once funding china, USSR, france, america, poland, all of africa in 1942 we can handle one country in this age. Know how they did it in 1942? The top 1% were taxes 97 and a half % tax to the government and the average joe around 20% of their income
These days we all pay the same.
Theres your issue. It should be 10% for the 90% and 50% for the top 1%ers of society. They make it back in a fckn week.
@@tripwire3992it's not just 1 country though. We give to china, parts of Africa, India and Ukraine. Might be time to cut it down a bit
@@jdizzle1779 difference being trade with china is keeping them from invading taiwan which has a pact with america for defence and since britain has a pact with the USA we'd be fighting that too, so if we keep trade with china correctly we earn more than we lose from them. India hates us so idk why were still imvolved with them after all Tata steel bought all the british steelworks and now closes them all
@@jdizzle1779irrelevant, the point is who pays taxes & the richest pay less than the rest of us plus they get loopholes through which they pay zero tax!
@@alanhat5252 not irrelevant at all. India have a space programme yet we give millions to them. I agree tax loopholes should be closed as should cash only and self employed tax avoidance. No reason you can't do both and actually spend British tax revenue in Britain seeing as we are oh so skint
Only one labour M.P. with any integrity the rest are tories in disguise
That’s funny Dan. I always assumed the Tories were Labour in disguise
The uniparty is doing its job
Labour had access to finance records months before they took power. Tgey knew how bad they were but still gave the public sector worker pay rises and foreign aid payouts, making the situation even worse.
They were paid by the taxpayer to be the opposition so had sight of government financial data for the last 14 years. Or were they as incompetent in opposition as they are in government. Liebour stinks.
Reeves stood at the dispatch box 10 years ago and tabled scrapping the WFP. She always wanted to do this. What an appalling woman. She is the sole reason I couldn't vote for Labour.
@@cp4512 The Conservatives hid some of it...
Framing the public sector pay increases as a choice is pathetic. They were backed by the independent pay review body, and they merely returned the salaries back to the level of a few years ago. Without it, you'd effectively be cutting the pay of public sector works, which means private sector is more appealing - that means lower quality employees
@@ster2600 Increasing politician's pay was a choice and they are public sector workers. Are they useful or value for money? They are certainly lower quality employees.
I agree But the pensioners shouldn’t have to bear the burden of it , let the big companies and the very wealthy people help not the elderly
Starmer keeps saying he puts country before party, that’s not right because he is punishing old people because he thinks they don’t vote for him.
He's taking away £300 from pensioners who are getting a £500 quid pay rise this year.
@@ster2600 you haven’t taken in the cost of living rise! Therefore, it will only be £200 given over 12 months , well below the cost of living. Don’t forget Reeves is doing this so she can tax them.
@@lyndahorgan3306because Jeremy Hunt froze the non taxable income level
I must admit, the savings are so small, why would you take such a hard hit?
Because labour know pensioners don't support labour and I can see why
STOP FOREIGN AID
The people around the Country don’t like this. Many Labour MP’s have expressed privately and publicly that they don’t like this either. All other political parties and the media don’t like this. Even the Unions don’t like this. I think this will come back to haunt Dear Leader Keir.
WELL IF THEY DIDNT LIKE IT, WHY VOTE FOR STOPPING FUEL ALLOWANCE.
@@melvinplant8637 People didn't vote for it. How could they, it was not in the Labour election manifesto for people to decide on when the general election came? They made the decision AFTER the election.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars I'm pretty sure pensioners mostly voted against big government in the last election didn't they?
@@NAk-si3mk By making the fuel allowance means-tested, it just adds to big government.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars When the government spends less it's big government. Thanks for clearing that up.
Labour are to blame. Professor Richard Murphy explains why this is political choice and nothing to do with our economy. In fact it will cost more in the long term.
The government just needs to extend the overdraft with the BoE and not pay the interest on the national debt as the government controls the BoE.
Thought Darren Jones was a man of integrity wrong again
Very disappointed. So many self serving politicians in conservatives and labour
What a load of claptrap that guy talks, is he an MP? Labour inflicted almost half of the £22bn
I think when a new government is elected - all ministers should be sworn in - an oath to the Country and its Peoples- to uphold the mandate that they were voted on! To work in the best interests of the Country and it Peoples with honour and integrity . To show respect for other political viewpoints. To be positive, effective and accountable in their daily work and when representing the Country and the Peoples at home and abroad !
They do take an oath to the country, they just break that oath. That the reason Sinn Fein are not allowed to vote in parliament even tho they have 7 seats. They refuse to take the oath.
Simple fix up the threshold… pretty sure no one wants to take money from people who have given their whole lives to the economy
The over 65s are now the least deprived cohort in this country. The winter fuel payment is a benefit and should be for the most deprived in this country
So, support the illegal asylum seekers, heh? Very inspiring.
Not all the deprived will get it.
Tell that to the Labour party, who themselves, said that at least 1000 people will die because of the policy.
And people outside of this country is what you mean ..
you're killing grandma. remember that one?
I also pay tax as a pensioner on the lowest amount, about £14,000
Lowest amount of what? The state pension is less than 14k. On 14k you'd pay about £250 in taxes per year as a pensioner. If you were working age, you'd pay £350. Does that sound fair?
@@ster2600 If you are working for 14k a year, I would say you have a bigger problem than tax, like looking for a better paid job.
@@ster2600 You are quite correct, however, the allowances are not going to change since last year, which brings people on low incomes into the tax bracket. When I started paying into a private pension, I paid tax on my payments then, so now, I am being double taxed.
@@inthegutterstaringathestarsignorant City dweller
@@inthegutterstaringathestars well the numbers look much worse for working people if you increase the salary. Someone has to do low paid jobs, and I'm assuming you would prefer not to increase immigration?
It’s high time the people of Britain stop voting for these politicians and vote for somebody who has the people real interest at heart
Therein lies the problem. Barely anyone voted for these politicians.
They won by default.
We need to have a complete reform of our voting system. We need to abolish first past the post.
@@Samweak Sir Keir Flipflop is trying to beat you to it. He is trying to abolish that pesky democracy thing, where people are allowed say things the govt doesn't like.
speak for yourself, I dont mind this decision I dont want to pay for a bonus fuel payment for wealthy old people. People who need the money will still get it.
Jeremy corbyn
The logic in Labour announcing this first is so when they make more cuts - the unemployed and disabled as usual - they can carry on with the Osborne/Cameron trajectory and say "we're all in it together" and the other lie about "those with the broadest shoulders etc"
Cuts to other vulnerable groups won't get this level of attention either
When they take money off people less will be spent in shops, hospitality ect which results in job losses and businesses closing,which causes a recession,that looks what is going to happen
If people can afford hospitality, they don’t need fuel allowance. It is not just old people who struggle with fuel payments
@@judithjohnson1973 I didn't mention any groups ,that's all I said is when you take money off you everybody suffers ,shops ect
Missing the point of the Winter Fuel payment there. It's spent on energy, not your Christmas shopping, grandchildren's presents and meals...
@@danielbillingsley8073what IAM saying is that when the government take money off people less is spent in the economy,that includes everybody not just pensioners
@@danielbillingsley8073The point is clearly that money spent on energy bills and other essentials is not available to be spent on discretionary items and experiences. Therefore it contributes to pubs, restaurants, shops etc. closing. Which means less employment, less tax collected, more benefits paid and a yet more barren high street. It's all connected.
14 year in opposition a merchant banker for chancellor ,could they not shut loopholes in tax system which most pundits will agree could save £350 billion
Abstainers are blatant cowards
How much does it cost to ring fence 5,000 empty hotel beds every week???😡😡
But let's spend 14 million a day keeping illegal immigrants warm in 4 and 5 star hotels this winter.
They won't touch immigrants they are the labour voters
Only because the tory party didn't process at all and let it buled up
@@davidwhite5377 And the Tony Blair party didn't?
@@davidwhite5377are you for real? There is clearly no intention to process illegal immigrants - as evidenced by nearly all Western governments sitting on their hands over the issue at best, and positively welcoming them with an open taxpayer cheque book, otherwise.
Wake up and stop trying to rationalise through a political lense. The blame game is childish - every political side is at it in doing the exact opposite of what voters want when it comes to immigration.
They aren't getting 4 or 5 star hotel treatment, they are living in squalor in what once was nice hotels, the way you phrase this is extremely disingenuous
The rationale for stopping the Winter Fuel Allowance for all pensioners is understood, but the way it was done has damaged the labour party
You can’t blame the so called ‘black hole’ when they’re spending billions on their projects. Cutting this is a choice and imo was always planned.
Agree.they knew during the election about the winter payment cuts imo.
Billions on what projects?
@@Drrahman-t3u Please could you explain what you're referring to?
And once again the poor and weak have to suffer. So typical the UK. It will never end.
When's he gonna collect all this free money from billionaires that was being talked about before the election?
Urban myth. The evil 1% pay 30% of tax revenue (ONS). They can and will leave meaning the tax lost has to be paid by us plebes-in 1970's the basic rate tax was 33%-nobody stayed to pay the 90% top rate. There was virtually zero investment in any new products/tech and the country went bankrupt in 1976-forced to beg from the IMF. This WILL happen again. Ireland/Luxembourg-just two of the huge beneficiaries of Starmers childish illiterate policies.
They have all left ffs lol they pay enough already
@@dominiclane8538 top 1% are already responsible for 29% of all UK. Tax.
Typical socialism, "how much of other peoples money are they entitled to?"
I warned the people about bojo t,hey gave him a landslide victory, I warned the people about Starmer they gave him a landslide victory. The people stabbed Corbyn in the back. Now they take the consequences. SUFFER!
@@DrMontague I hope you put a bet on.
No I think over contributing to NATO, the EU and Ukraine is where any sensible argument starts!
Well it must be the pensioners to blame as they are the ones being punished.
Many voted Brexit, that's £1k worse off for everyone and many voted Tory syphoning off money rather than more for the NHS or growing the economy. So many are to blame and over 810,000 have income over £51k. Hard to argue they should have the benefit when so many workers are on a lot less... That said need to do a lot more for those less well off.
Who is being punished? Go on - answer the question!
@@nigeltrigger4499can I answer ?
Yes the pensioners are to blame for voting Tory because they were promised cold winter payments for their loyalty 😂
Exactly your age is irrelevant in this matter. Respect the eldery prioritise them etc but their are classes of OAP and a rich oap has a much better life than a poor oap.@tompearce3610
@@LordBallSac yes and to be realistic, those OAPs that own their own homes may have more disposable income than someone in a low pay job that's renting or many with a mortgage or with children. Not meaning to bash OAPs but I think we need to look at wider support for the less well off population as a whole and less support for the wealthy.
People of my generation have profited from cheap housing, final salary pensions, early retirement on full index linked pensions from public sector jobs, absolutely huge rises in property values, free further education. And now my contemporaries think that they should continue to benefit above young families who can't feed or clothe their children or pay their rent. While enjoying their unlimited free transport and apart from the richest, fuel allowances, Pensioners are by far the richest demographic in the whole country.
Wow... you don't ever see sense being spoken, it's a shame that no one else is willing to admit that. Hats off to you 👍🏼
As someone about to become a pensioner, I wholeheartedly agree. Our generation should not be expecting youngsters on low wages and little hope of enjoying the same lifestyles as we did to fund our lifestyles in retrirement. Means testing the winter fuel payments is absolutely the right thing to do so that it can be targeted at those who need it.
Not all of our generation had public sector jobs, went to university or could afford anything more than a small terraced or semi. I worked from 17 to 68, always private sector, always low paid because as a female of that time careers were not 'on the cards' for many with no childcare and low paid work to fit around family. My private pension amounts to £160 per month and from last year I have had to pay tax. I have never begrudged the tax I paid during my working life to help fund those who needed help and I do not begrudge it now. I am fortunate in that my husband is still with me so we have a combined income. This is not the case for everyone. However to watch MPs cheering at yesterday's result regarding WFA sickened me to the core. I can manage but many cannot and we would do well to reflect that not all pensioners in the UK are as fortunate as others.
Such a simplistic view of 'your generation' and all the benefits they supposedly had. It wasn't that way for most people, life has always been a struggle
You don't give your age so it's not possible to know ' your generation' but here's a few things that may apply to some of those pensioners losing their WFP.
Compulsory national service,
Industrial accidents
Industrial disease
Outdoor toilets
Sharing toilets with neighbours
Tin baths
No electricity
Unable to go to university because it was too expensive
Mass unemployment in the 80s
But all quiet as how they intend to cut the £4.2b a year cost of the hotels for illegal immigrants that will be nice and warm this winter in there hotels
You seem to be confused about why there are SO many unprocessed immigrants. That is down to the Tories, not Labour!
@@nigeltrigger4499 but I’m not confused about the fact the Labour Party haven’t proposed to do anything to cut the £4.2b deficit from the £22b beginning spent on illegal immigrant hotels that are bleeding the economy dry at a cost to pensioners and hard working taxpayers
@@nigeltrigger4499 I’m also very aware of the Labour Party’s position to block every move the Tories made to send them back
Well, obviously they can't, or it would be economically unwise, which if you thought logically you'd realise seeing as the Conservatives also didn't do anything about it
Or the fact they are going to lock up people who notice them being housed in said hotels at taxpayers expense, whilst releasing criminals early who are likely to go on to re-offend.
Can you have an overdraft if you own the bank, political commentators shouldn't allow politicians to get away with this kind of financially illiterate argument, including comparing the government budget to a household one, its maddening.
Edit, 2 people so far mentioning the magic money tree in comments to this, that's a right wing framing, there's always more money for things the government wants, try educating yourself rather than regurgitating them uncritically.
So where does the money come from in your world? Magic money tree?
@@nigeltrigger4499 lol, all government spending is borrowed from the bank of England, taxes don't pay for anything
@nigeltrigger4499 you mean like the magic money tree we used during covid?
@@nigeltrigger4499. Quantative easing.
Absolutely spineless MPs frightened to vote against the motion frightened of losing the whip.
Yet Rachel Reeves can claim approx £4000 for her heating just before the vote
I notice a lot of comments being deleted, not just mine but ones I engaged with.
Is it youtube algo or are LBC employing someone to delete comments they don't like? 🤔
With each illegal boat coming into britain the debt increases
there are many retired folk who are comfortably well off, it is sensible to means test the winter fuel payment, the tories would have done the same, no matter how much they deny this fact
Define many? Is that the retired folks in your mind?
Because here in the real world, according to the govt's own figures and ageUK, at least 60% of pensioners are "treading water" or struggling to make ends meet.
@inthegutterstaringathestars well you have defined many for me. So 40% don't need the payment
@@AdeSwash That is what you took from my statement?
If 60% are barely making ends meet, you really think the other 40% are not also close to it. Not every pensionser, not even the other 40% are Elon Musk.
Especially given that Labour have said they will not meet their actual manifesto commitments which were a cap on energy price rises.
So it is a double whammy on pensioners.
@@inthegutterstaringathestars I believe that the criteria for receiving the wfa is that you are already in recept of pension credi and have less than 10k savings? Is this correct
how much of uk problems are caused by derivatives trading.They played a large part in the last banking crash which we paid for.Are they one of the reasons for having to cut heating allowance for pensioners ?.They are no more than a gambling tool and should be banned.
I'm sure that's not the total cause of Britain s problems.go for a walk in our city centers and you can see the cause
The crash was down to Brown (Labour) dropping all the restrictions on Banks /derivatives-who but Brown thought 150% mortgages were a great idea? They are no justifiable reasons for cutting OAP money-they've paid in for 40+ years and fought for these rights. Old Labour "Means tests mean poverty traps" and they debunked the Tories urban myths about millionaires on benefits, Now "Labour" are creating the traps AND the urban myths to go with them.
stop talking about the Tories, look you guys are worse, all Labour can talk about are the Tories - what are labours policies????????? Except to blame others, its dispacable how Labour has stopped the Fuel Allowance for people who are old and vulnerable
A government will always throw a few unaffordable economic sweeteners just before an election, so the first few (maybe 18) months will always be difficult. The Tory government were still blaming Labour after 14 years in power though. That should have been enough time to sort anything out, but they didn't.
We NEED to fight back. Do not do what we did with the tories and ignore all their issues. Question is how do we get labour MPs to listen?
Labour has not stopped the Winter Fuel Payment for the poorest pensioners. It has stopped the Winter Fuel Payments for pensioners who do not get Pension Credit, which is a means-tested benefit for the poorest pensioners.
If only more people like you actually looked at the details, rather than headlines in the press.
So they are the poorest pensioners
Standard. Most people wouldn't understand if you explained it clearly. So they don't bother any more
Isn't the means test an extremely long document meant to be read, understood and signed by confused octogenarians with failing sight?
if eligible get help to claim claim claim
Most pensioners don't need the Winter fuel payment, me included. No problem giving it up.
But has enough to give £3 billion to give Ukraine every year for ‘as long they need’? Get this government out NOW!!!
Against our sworn enemy Putin.
A sovereign country that can print its own currency does NOT run an overdraft! It’s ridiculously simplistic and does NOT apply to national finances!
So much hope was pinned on a new government, and all we've got is more misery. Sorry I voted for this lot, at least with the Tories you knew you had out and out crooks.
They seem more Tory than tories
Britians economy hinges on cutting the winter fuel allowance? How much of a cut is Zalensky getting then?
fuel payments made sense during covid. they were never made to be permenant and if we are to fix the economy tough choices need to be made.
Surely there will have be some scaling down of the cruel policy. What about the seriously ill pensioners being cared for at home - they must be kept warm to survive. Anyone over 80 should be exempt this ruling !! A clueless policy demanded by only 20% of the electorate.
Definitely needs to be means tested and not restricted to pensioners, but stopping it like that is crazy. People will die and Labour will be blamed. Its going to be tragic.
You voted for it so own it
I didn't
This is it, the blame game will be laid at the feet of the tories for the whole 4 years, Also do mps on 90k need a 4k allowance for fuel?
There is always short term pain. It always precedes the next sort term pain. It's like road works. When do we get a period of roads working?
Taking away this winter fuel payment was NOT in Labours mandate. GET IT RIGHT. Blaming some 'invisible' black hole is no excuse, difficult decisions is no excuse. These statements are well used by all Labour MPs in their scripts when on TV and in parliament.
It was hidden from the civil service by the Tories.
@@unconventionalideas5683no it wasn't, it can't have been, though the Civil Service is only answerable to Government, not to Opposition
Why do they keep saying that we pensioners are getting,the triple lock next year, of £400 per year,but took £300 ,from us ,so we will only £100 more next year ,it doesn’t add up
All Parliamentary votes on motions not explicitly part of the Manifesto of the governing party should be secret. That would allow MPs to vote in a representative way for pop-up policies.
Oh could you not have stopped the winter payment to anyone who pays 40% tax?
You are showing use all you are not a labour party. Horrible to see after 14 years of tory skum
In way they are. They are abandoning people who used to work in favour of people who are currently working.
Classical Labour values.
"Overdraft", "maxed out" didn't we hear all this 14 years ago?
By 'tense and fascinating' I presume you mean 'foregone conclusion?'
What overdraft.... Gordon Browns Government blew that a decade ago..... remember the infamous "there's no money left" note....
They did the right thing in the wrong way, political amateurs
With all the cuts for the wealthier, who do not need help with heating, will the cut-off limit be raised, as that limit is set artificially low?
the government doesnt have an overdraft, this is not personal finances. liking it to a household budget shows either contempt for the public or a severe lack of understanding of government financing and economics. the government does not use tax for day to day spending. this is economic illiteracy.
He's a communist only serving his union overlords.
This 👆
I warned the people about bojo t,hey gave him a landslide victory, I warned the people about Starmer they gave him a landslide victory. The people stabbed Corbyn in the back. Now they take the consequences. SUFFER!
Look up the economic concept of National Debt.
Most people who look after their grandchildren while the parents go to work are pensioners. Having to cut back heating affects the children as well.
Do they think abstaining clears their concious?its literally just the equivalent of seeing wrong doing and doing nothing.
LABOUR LIES THROUGH THEIR TEETH
I think they all lie, the politically system is finished. Don't think I can wait another 14 years for things to get better, The Tories also have to look at themselves for this to happen. Tax the rich.
Why are all of them trotting out the same line?
They had no manifesto.
They are all liars.
Labour can try spin it anyway they want but they are making the same political CHOICE that David Cameron and George Osbourne made in 2010 by pursuing austerity. It's embarrassing.
Those that took the decision to do it. Can’t blame anyone else. Choices made should be owned.
THEY are to blame . They had a choice of where to make savings /tax increases .The chose the people least able to mitigate this hardship .
Tory’s talking about be kind ,uk sick and disabled deaths anyone
I SUPPOSE THE LABOUR PARTY WILL NOT TAKING HEATING ALLOWANCE FOR SECOND HOME S MAYBE NOT
Starmer / Reeves and every Labour MP that either voted for it or failed to vote against it .
Abstaining is cowardice
With a promised business investment figure if 63 billion ( according to Sir Freebie ) why on earth are they attacking pensioners.
If labour wants to save money on any overspending then maybe Starmer and his cronies should give up there wages for for a year or two because they are over paid and they're all millionaires anyway so they can afford to live of there savings for that long.
Oh stf up about this already. MPs don’t get paid 1billion collectively. Give it a rest and don’t distract the conversation from the brutal policy
Shouldn't mps be the best of the best so a high wage is important?
@bluelit4830 true they don't get paid a billion collectively but it would help towards it instead of taking it from those that will need it in the winter.
Also if labour hadn't given 9 billion to there union friend as paid rises that was far more than the average percentage increase in wages that everyone else gets would of helped to.
Why are we paying for the unions for train drivers and such anyway?
You do know the train companies are no longer Nationalised any more. They're all privately owned companies sold off by Margaret Thatcher in the 80s.
So why are tax payers footing the bill and not the private companies that own them?
You'd think that the energy companies would have a spare billion quid or two from record profits made during last winter's cost of living crisis. There was a clamour then for a windfall tax. But now in power, Labour's first instinct is to go after pensioners?
They should remove there own £3700 heating payments they get
and give that to the pensioners ,they do not need this benefit they earn enough to not need it.
Stop defending the indefensible. Those spineless Labour MPs should hold their heads in shame. By the way Starmer, you don't have a mandate to do this, you've gone against every one of your election promises, and the manifesto that you were voted on.
Yup, you're saying exactly what the Tories wanted you to say when they hid that financial blackhole. They knew what was coming, they warned us about it all the way through the election campaign. Were they more astute than everyone else?? No!!! They were the only ones who knew the TRUE state of the economy.