Crews should always be relieved before the 12 hrs window so that they can tie up at or before the 12 hrs. Crews get "lost" frequently enough but usually happens when they get called on one symbol and told to exchange trains when they come on duty(usually they keep track when it happens enroute). When I'm required to violate hos I just make sure the person responsible is noted so the FRA fine can be duly applied. My carrier can't stop me from noting the violation at tie up. We get stuck over hours frequently because as soon as we can no longer perform work we drop off their list of priorities (ie, we sit on trains waiting for a ride).
It would have taken an order from someone with a helluva lot more authority than a dispatcher (asst. Division Superintendent, for example) for me to exceed Hours of Service. That actually happened to a brother engineer, but it was an emergency situation (he and his crew got snowed in on the train less than 5 miles from the layover point during a Central Kansas blizzard in the Flint hills).
If the driver breaks Federal Laws by working outside his hours he will get charged, He will go to court, He will get fined and/or Licence suspended His company cannot over ride that or take the punishment. In fact they will probably get charged as well including in sighting the driver to break the law
Sounds to me like dispatchers don't give a rats behind if the engineer violates any law, federal or otherwise. They will say anything to get the job done and throw the engineer under the bus if the Feds get involved.
Only violation I can see there was no horn at the crossing. How many other crossings that happened at is unknown. As far as securing it, that can be anything, but could be hazmat snafu, mechanical issue, putting in to much time and need to change crews per FRA regs., many things that it could be. Sounds like the dispatcher was as upset as conductor.
Luke D it was more than likely a quiet zone. Lots of areas have crossings where train horns are not allowed do to community complaints of trains having loud horns
Hours of service violation. The crew can only be in service for 12 hours. After that they can’t do anything in train service. This both FRA and CRA federal Laws . You’ll hear engineer saying something about dying, that means when their duty time is up. Typical for all railroads, trying to get the crew to break federal laws while telling them the dispatcher will take full responsibility. Yeah but you broke the law not the dispatcher so the FRA will be after your crew. The railroad sucks, glad I left it along time ago.
He was talking to the Engineer. It's called a whistle and not all crossings require it, especially if it's a quiet zone. In a quiet zone the bell is usually still in play. Securing it simply means to tie the brakes and lock up the cab, Key trains require a few more specific steps to be "secured". The violation in this case was an hours of service issue. HQ thought they had more time than they actually did, despite having been told otherwise. Dispatcher change over is a mess.
not sure how it works in Canada but in the states the crew members don't get in trouble if they violate HOS. they just get TOW IN ie: even MORE overtime... and it never bothered me one little bit...if the dumb companies mistake crams more cash in my wallet, i'll take it.
It bothers me no end because it's usually on my way home so they are literally stealing my family time from me, not enough OT on the planet to get that back.
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Crews should always be relieved before the 12 hrs window so that they can tie up at or before the 12 hrs. Crews get "lost" frequently enough but usually happens when they get called on one symbol and told to exchange trains when they come on duty(usually they keep track when it happens enroute). When I'm required to violate hos I just make sure the person responsible is noted so the FRA fine can be duly applied. My carrier can't stop me from noting the violation at tie up. We get stuck over hours frequently because as soon as we can no longer perform work we drop off their list of priorities (ie, we sit on trains waiting for a ride).
To watch this, I have to stand on my head.
If you do, please send me a link to the video. lol
At 7:01 I was thinking of flat-earthers and their "where are the stars", "not a single photo with stars in background".
ha ha ... cheers, J
It would have taken an order from someone with a helluva lot more authority than a dispatcher (asst. Division Superintendent, for example) for me to exceed Hours of Service. That actually happened to a brother engineer, but it was an emergency situation (he and his crew got snowed in on the train less than 5 miles from the layover point during a Central Kansas blizzard in the Flint hills).
with the socks kid the country is upside down
Do CN crew run from capreol to toronto?
Yes they do. Thanks for dropping by. J
From looking at the end of the video somebody really turn things upside down
If the driver breaks Federal Laws by working outside his hours he will get charged, He will go to court, He will get fined and/or Licence suspended
His company cannot over ride that or take the punishment. In fact they will probably get charged as well including in sighting the driver to break the law
Engineers don't have licenses in Canada.
What ended up happening after this? Did they move the train?
We have a dead mechanical crossing bell?
its suprising to see most of the crs have no vandilisim on them out in b.c (canada) the cars are COVERED in spray paint and pen and more
I also wondered if they broke the law by going to Brechin or stayed put.
Sounds to me like dispatchers don't give a rats behind if the engineer violates any law, federal or otherwise. They will say anything to get the job done and throw the engineer under the bus if the Feds get involved.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The RTCs are unionized employees and are being forced to say what THEIR bosses tell them to.
bingo thats why i retired as soon as possible management was clueless and uncaring about crews
American railroads have the same problem, BNSF, UPRR, NS, CSX
I wonder what's happened to that train?
looks like the train might have been up side down no wonder the conductors and line crew don't like to be video taped.
“Ya dispatch, you can taxi our relief to this siding. We’ll wait here! I’m not going to jail over this!
Where’s wessly bridge when you need him
how can they get mixed up ?
Easy, get called on one train and changed to another, they don't update the computer usually.
I once heard of a crew sitting in a siding in BFE for 12hrs before they were relieved.
Nice upside-down video.
nice one Jay !
someone tell me what was the problem
Its in the video description.
Thx
J
Only violation I can see there was no horn at the crossing. How many other crossings that happened at is unknown. As far as securing it, that can be anything, but could be hazmat snafu, mechanical issue, putting in to much time and need to change crews per FRA regs., many things that it could be. Sounds like the dispatcher was as upset as conductor.
Luke D it was more than likely a quiet zone. Lots of areas have crossings where train horns are not allowed do to community complaints of trains having loud horns
Hours of service violation. The crew can only be in service for 12 hours. After that they can’t do anything in train service. This both FRA and CRA federal Laws . You’ll hear engineer saying something about dying, that means when their duty time is up. Typical for all railroads, trying to get the crew to break federal laws while telling them the dispatcher will take full responsibility. Yeah but you broke the law not the dispatcher so the FRA will be after your crew. The railroad sucks, glad I left it along time ago.
He was talking to the Engineer. It's called a whistle and not all crossings require it, especially if it's a quiet zone. In a quiet zone the bell is usually still in play. Securing it simply means to tie the brakes and lock up the cab, Key trains require a few more specific steps to be "secured". The violation in this case was an hours of service issue. HQ thought they had more time than they actually did, despite having been told otherwise. Dispatcher change over is a mess.
not sure how it works in Canada but in the states the crew members don't get in trouble if they violate HOS. they just get TOW IN ie: even MORE overtime... and it never bothered me one little bit...if the dumb companies mistake crams more cash in my wallet, i'll take it.
Court, fines and most likely lose their license to operate.
You're sitting for free. There is NO overtime on the CN agreement in Canada. If you're sitting in a siding, you're sitting for free.
They don't value your time, only the mileage.
It bothers me no end because it's usually on my way home so they are literally stealing my family time from me, not enough OT on the planet to get that back.
@@GEES44DC that's why I liked the CN in the U.S. we negotiated a hourly pay rate. It made me a boat load of Cash over my 20+ year career.
Nicr upside down view
I didn't see any violation!
Ralph Kramden past 12 hours is a violation under both US and Canadian laws. The crew has every right to stop that train @11:59.