@@Marco-vn1dbIt's very easy! 1. Drag your cinemaDNG sequence into the media bin, that creates the video, 2. Then go to color tab and make a new node. On that node drag (CST) Color Space Transform and transform it into BlackMagic Design Film Gen 5. That will give you the best dynamic range and noise performance as well as access to highlight recovery giving you even better highlights. 3. From there you can grade from from the Camera RAW tab and Color wheels. And when you reach a look you like dont forget to add sharpness back in using the Blur radius tool since RAW has no inherent sharpness. And in less than 10min you have a graded RAW clip in Resolve, export to whichever format you desire and Enjoy! 😊
I have been using Motion Cam Pro for a long time with my Google Pixel 7 Pro and now with the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, and I have been able to record directly to an external hard drive.
Prores may have the better workflow, but you cannot beat the raw DNG quality. It cannot be understated how good some of your shots 3 years ago on a Pixel 6 Pro! Simply were.
This is why I don't regret subscribing to you. Tomorrow is the end of my FiLMiC Pro 1-year subscription (I'm not renewing it) so the timing is perfect ! Ever since I've heard of Apple Log and Blackmagic Camera App, I've been paying close attention to the market looking for alternatives and even considered getting an iPhone (I'm using a Pixel 6 Pro too btw). But I'd really like to stay on Android so it's great to see Android apps starting implementing ProRes too even though it's not perfect ! Please keep making videos about Android apps and new features like that being added to them in the future, I'm looking forward to your future content ! 😁
I know you said you're not renewing your filmic pro subscription, but FYI, this last week the software parent company Bending Spoons layed off the entire Filmic Pro team. It currently has no team...or future.
Motion cam should look even better on the Pixel 8 pro since that uses a sensor level technology similar DGO on Canon and Arri and DRboost on Panasonic. Really adds a stop and a half of DR.
My Pixel 6 Pro would drop frames after about 6 seconds of recording haha which latest Android phone should I get ahold of to do a more in depth showcase?!
Before I got my iphone 15 pro, I was messing around with the Xperia 1 V and motion cam. My biggest frustration was how much overheating it caused and would crash.
Android 15 will add acess to all camera features, including stabilization, via camera2. Add this the release of Blackmagic app for Android. 2025 will be a great year for videography on Android devices!
Thank you for this amazing video! Yes you can record on ssd on stable Only the live prores needs high end processor for now but you can try hevc 10bit which will most probably surprise you .
Great informative video! Yes! Please do a video on Android rigs! I have a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra, and, as you can imagine, I would love to see a video on building a rig for that model. Thanks!
Pixel is the wrong android device. You should be testing Sony Xperia 1 V. It records in s-cinetone plus 4k 120fps on all lenses and it has a micro SD slot so you can record right to a micro SD card. Honestly out of all the phones it is built for video. I would love to see that head to head against the iPhone 15 pro
Another great informative video! Thanks! Can you get your hands on a Sony Xperia I too? The lastest V would be best. (Selfishly) about to upgrade my couple year's old Xperia and would love to see this in progress.
Still seeing the same issues as with regular Motioncam. Low DR and warping. Wondering if these issues can ever be fixed. The frame drops are probably due to the Pixel phones slow storage. Try a Samsung S23 Ultra or regular S23 instead, should also show slightly better DR.
Nice video... Just want to let you know that Prores Recording is software unlike prores hardware on iPhone. Previous alpha version (3.0.4) had options to shoot in 1440p and 1080p crop which lets you record in less powerful phone too. Since pixels aren't known for performance. You will get a lot of stability on Gen 2 device. OnePlus 8 pro can record whole 15 min prores 4K 24 fps. If possible try downgrading to 3.0.4 version or wait for next update for the return of customs resolution.
Its because that raw gives you ALL THE INFORMATION(that includes all the natural detail possible of your sensor) if you want soft look just apply a denoiser
@DennisSchmitz hahaha that's what I meant 15 pro want huge update just usbc and better zoom buy a small number. And no apple log is the worst raw on a phone xiaomi 13s ultra has 14bit raw video
@@harryvlogs7833That phone has a 10 bit "log" mode, although judging from the footage it is just Rec709 with lowered contrast but still showing oversharpening, gamut clipping and local tonemapping. Quite laughable tbh. th-cam.com/video/fEKFw48zKyc/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/jcf4i3FuZns/w-d-xo.html The iPhone 15 Pro has a proper Log gamma with Rec2020 gamut which actually matches really well with proper cameras.
@DennisSchmitz Nothing beats Raw Cinema DNG on Android, each frame is literally a raw photo so you get the best dynamic range and quality possible. Apple log by comparison is very middle of the road. The only downside of Cinema DNG is that 1 minute of 4k footage is like 20GB so recording to an external SSD is a must.
Cineon Log is one of the oldest log profiles around. It was invented by Kodak back to the early 90's for 10bit digital film scanning, and most pro level compositing software include a Cineon log effect/node. That is flexable enough that, if set up correctly, can convert just about any other true log format from ARRI to Blackmagic to and from log & linear space, which begs the question why he didn't use the Cineon Log to Linear LUT in Davinci Resolve or even Fusions Cineon Log to linear node instead of using a Venice log conversion.
Just a curiosity, but why not use the Cineon log to linear LUT in DaVinci Resolve's VFX IO LUTs instead of using the Sony Venice Conversion LUT? I would think the results would be more in line with the actual log profile.
That is because the monitors we use to watch the video have very limited dynamic range; rec 709, the standard for pretty much every SDR screen, has some 6 stops of DR. However, the video recorded certainly contains more informantion than that, has a wider DR. If you do a linear conversion and export in 709, all of that extra information will be clipped. That is why for most purposes, especially for final viewing, linear wouldn't be used. What we do instead is apply some function, or curve, that compresses some parts of the scene (usually the shadows and highlights), wich will lose contrast, but allows you to se more of the captured information within the limited dynamic range of your display, while keeping reasonable contrast in the areas of interest. If you wanted to linearly compress the dynamic range to fit in 709, you could, but the image would be pretty washed out. I highly recommend this video by Filmmaker IQ: th-cam.com/video/2sshGdMgJxQ/w-d-xo.html
I'm a fan of any app that is willing to develop filmmaking on pure Android/pixel phones. It's insane to me that I can't currently do all the same things on a pixel that I can do on a Samsung.
My issue with motioncam is with big contrast. And you don't talk about it. Furthermore, the workflow is very simple as premiere eats the file natively for a long time
why is the dynamic range different? I'd assume the developer would be using a tone curve (e.g. log) to compress all the dynamic range into a 10-bit file instead of a 14-bit or whatever the sensor is giving@@danielosetromera2090
DNG still gives you the best quality.
Correct. Prores simply can't compare, in my experience.
How do you color grade raw dng in davinci resolve?
@@Marco-vn1dbIt's very easy!
1. Drag your cinemaDNG sequence into the media bin, that creates the video,
2. Then go to color tab and make a new node. On that node drag (CST) Color Space Transform and transform it into BlackMagic Design Film Gen 5. That will give you the best dynamic range and noise performance as well as access to highlight recovery giving you even better highlights.
3. From there you can grade from from the Camera RAW tab and Color wheels. And when you reach a look you like dont forget to add sharpness back in using the Blur radius tool since RAW has no inherent sharpness.
And in less than 10min you have a graded RAW clip in Resolve, export to whichever format you desire and Enjoy! 😊
@@Marco-vn1dbconvert to davinci DNG
@@Marco-vn1db drag and drop pretty much. Choose a color profile from the raw tab (I recommend rec.709 for simplicity) and go edit
I have been using Motion Cam Pro for a long time with my Google Pixel 7 Pro and now with the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, and I have been able to record directly to an external hard drive.
how do you edit raw videos from this app ?
Her is a tutorial form Patrick Levar th-cam.com/video/K3n4obTiHNY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=vzVghchZaQh4vHpu
Prores may have the better workflow, but you cannot beat the raw DNG quality. It cannot be understated how good some of your shots 3 years ago on a Pixel 6 Pro! Simply were.
This is why I don't regret subscribing to you. Tomorrow is the end of my FiLMiC Pro 1-year subscription (I'm not renewing it) so the timing is perfect ! Ever since I've heard of Apple Log and Blackmagic Camera App, I've been paying close attention to the market looking for alternatives and even considered getting an iPhone (I'm using a Pixel 6 Pro too btw). But I'd really like to stay on Android so it's great to see Android apps starting implementing ProRes too even though it's not perfect ! Please keep making videos about Android apps and new features like that being added to them in the future, I'm looking forward to your future content ! 😁
I know you said you're not renewing your filmic pro subscription, but FYI, this last week the software parent company Bending Spoons layed off the entire Filmic Pro team. It currently has no team...or future.
@@magic2253711 yeah I heard the news, this made my decision to cancel it so much easier
Já ouviu falar do mcpro24fps?
Motion cam should look even better on the Pixel 8 pro since that uses a sensor level technology similar DGO on Canon and Arri and DRboost on Panasonic. Really adds a stop and a half of DR.
My Pixel 6 Pro would drop frames after about 6 seconds of recording haha which latest Android phone should I get ahold of to do a more in depth showcase?!
Before I got my iphone 15 pro, I was messing around with the Xperia 1 V and motion cam. My biggest frustration was how much overheating it caused and would crash.
Just upgrade to the last pixel tbh
@@magic2253711Sony is bad if you want to use 3rd party apps
Just get the pixel 8 pro or actually the extremely good vivo x100 pro with 1 inch sensor
I'll ask again in here, why not use the Cineon log to linear LUT found in the VFX IO LUTs for Resolve instead of a Venice LUT?
Yay should try the xiaomi 13s ultra as it has 14bit raw video
10 or 12 bit readout at best, judging from the Log video I found it may be limited to a 10 bit readout.
@@DennisSchmitz no 14 bit raw or it could have been a vivo phone
@@harryvlogs7833 Even so, the app crashes all the time.
Motion Cam Pro now supports LOG encoding! Can you do a video explaining and comparing it to Apple LOG?
Yup! Working on it!
Try with a more powerful chip (like 8 gen 3) cause it's using software encoding and lagging too much. Need more cpu power.
really curious how it would look on pixel 8 pro or samsung s24 ultra
Android 15 will add acess to all camera features, including stabilization, via camera2.
Add this the release of Blackmagic app for Android.
2025 will be a great year for videography on Android devices!
Thank you for this amazing video!
Yes you can record on ssd on stable
Only the live prores needs high end processor for now but you can try hevc 10bit which will most probably surprise you .
Wish Apple would update iOS with H.265 and LOG on the phones with the native camera app. 98% of the quality with 5% of the disk space.
Man I'm pairing this with the S24 Ultra next month.
Great informative video! Yes! Please do a video on Android rigs! I have a Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra, and, as you can imagine, I would love to see a video on building a rig for that model. Thanks!
para cuando una nueva actualizacion de un video sobre las nuevas curvas log ?
I have a Pixel 7 Pro and I am trying to step my mobile video game up. I would love if you did a video with an Android set up
I herd that a higher ram count will help with that you should try the Xiaomi Mi 13 Ultra .. for an older phone kept up .
Pixel is the wrong android device. You should be testing Sony Xperia 1 V. It records in s-cinetone plus 4k 120fps on all lenses and it has a micro SD slot so you can record right to a micro SD card. Honestly out of all the phones it is built for video. I would love to see that head to head against the iPhone 15 pro
Xperia devices have good hardware but are plagued with extremely poor cooling solutions and battery issues
Another great informative video! Thanks!
Can you get your hands on a Sony Xperia I too? The lastest V would be best. (Selfishly) about to upgrade my couple year's old Xperia and would love to see this in progress.
Have you ever tried mcpro24fps?
Mcpro24fps is a nice app but with Motioncam raw image quality (excuse the pun) is on another planet entirely.
Still seeing the same issues as with regular Motioncam. Low DR and warping. Wondering if these issues can ever be fixed.
The frame drops are probably due to the Pixel phones slow storage. Try a Samsung S23 Ultra or regular S23 instead, should also show slightly better DR.
Wrapping is because of OIS enable.
Disable it and use Gyroflow
there is one rule in raw video! expose more! simple
Nice video...
Just want to let you know that Prores Recording is software unlike prores hardware on iPhone.
Previous alpha version (3.0.4) had options to shoot in 1440p and 1080p crop which lets you record in less powerful phone too.
Since pixels aren't known for performance.
You will get a lot of stability on Gen 2 device.
OnePlus 8 pro can record whole 15 min prores 4K 24 fps.
If possible try downgrading to 3.0.4 version or wait for next update for the return of customs resolution.
Hey ....have you thought of rigging the newer and powerful Android phones and maybe check PRO video mode on samsung
Not to be a bit extra ...you can rig up the s23 /24 ultra or the pixel 8 pro with the motion cam app🎉🎉🎉🎉
Nice! finally a video..
6 bucks?? its 35
its 25$...
It doesn't have the nice soft look Apple Log has
Just add a 5% to 10% gaussian blur in post. If you're recording in log or RAW it's because you plan on doing serious editing and corrections anyway.
Its because that raw gives you ALL THE INFORMATION(that includes all the natural detail possible of your sensor) if you want soft look just apply a denoiser
IPhone 15 wasn't a huge update just a small change
iPhone 15 pro on the other hand was a huge update. Nothing comes close to Apple Log yet.
@DennisSchmitz hahaha that's what I meant 15 pro want huge update just usbc and better zoom buy a small number. And no apple log is the worst raw on a phone xiaomi 13s ultra has 14bit raw video
@@harryvlogs7833That phone has a 10 bit "log" mode, although judging from the footage it is just Rec709 with lowered contrast but still showing oversharpening, gamut clipping and local tonemapping. Quite laughable tbh.
th-cam.com/video/fEKFw48zKyc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/jcf4i3FuZns/w-d-xo.html
The iPhone 15 Pro has a proper Log gamma with Rec2020 gamut which actually matches really well with proper cameras.
@DennisSchmitz Nothing beats Raw Cinema DNG on Android, each frame is literally a raw photo so you get the best dynamic range and quality possible. Apple log by comparison is very middle of the road. The only downside of Cinema DNG is that 1 minute of 4k footage is like 20GB so recording to an external SSD is a must.
They’re both great. Though I just switched from Android to iOS specifically for filmmaking and am filming my first feature film.
Hi 👋🏽
Would it be possible to have a comparison between the Apple Log and the Log of Mc24fps on Android ?
🙏🏽
Also what do you think about Motioncam's log profile compared to Apple Log ? Would love your opinion on this, thank you !
Cineon Log is one of the oldest log profiles around. It was invented by Kodak back to the early 90's for 10bit digital film scanning, and most pro level compositing software include a Cineon log effect/node. That is flexable enough that, if set up correctly, can convert just about any other true log format from ARRI to Blackmagic to and from log & linear space, which begs the question why he didn't use the Cineon Log to Linear LUT in Davinci Resolve or even Fusions Cineon Log to linear node instead of using a Venice log conversion.
Just a curiosity, but why not use the Cineon log to linear LUT in DaVinci Resolve's VFX IO LUTs instead of using the Sony Venice Conversion LUT? I would think the results would be more in line with the actual log profile.
That is because the monitors we use to watch the video have very limited dynamic range; rec 709, the standard for pretty much every SDR screen, has some 6 stops of DR.
However, the video recorded certainly contains more informantion than that, has a wider DR. If you do a linear conversion and export in 709, all of that extra information will be clipped. That is why for most purposes, especially for final viewing, linear wouldn't be used. What we do instead is apply some function, or curve, that compresses some parts of the scene (usually the shadows and highlights), wich will lose contrast, but allows you to se more of the captured information within the limited dynamic range of your display, while keeping reasonable contrast in the areas of interest.
If you wanted to linearly compress the dynamic range to fit in 709, you could, but the image would be pretty washed out. I highly recommend this video by Filmmaker IQ: th-cam.com/video/2sshGdMgJxQ/w-d-xo.html
I'm a fan of any app that is willing to develop filmmaking on pure Android/pixel phones. It's insane to me that I can't currently do all the same things on a pixel that I can do on a Samsung.
Iphone better
nice video mate
Thank you! 🙌🏼
My issue with motioncam is with big contrast. And you don't talk about it. Furthermore, the workflow is very simple as premiere eats the file natively for a long time
E o mcpro24fps?
Is it a me or you problem if i get heavy color banding and noise in your background when watching your videos?
pixel 8 pro with all the gear please
Excited to see MotionCam work w/ h265 10 bit and ProRes directly instead of DNGs. I would love to a comparison between than and MCpro24fps
DNG still has the best image quality. Highlights (for example) are noticeably better. Yes, the workflow is a little painful but you get used to it.
why is the dynamic range different? I'd assume the developer would be using a tone curve (e.g. log) to compress all the dynamic range into a 10-bit file instead of a 14-bit or whatever the sensor is giving@@danielosetromera2090