@SwatbotDubstep They're both great designs to consider. A ported enclosure might get you better overall bass output, while a sealed enclosure will help with overall bass response. Sealed enclosures will also require more power to perform similarly with a ported enclosure, so if you're low on power consider a ported enclosure.
@txhen1 You would be safe giving them about 2000-2500 watts RMS. Just remember to adjust your gain accordingly if you overpower them by more then this.
@318spen If you are going to go with the A18001DJ then I recommend going with the HCCA152 so you can wire the subwoofer to a final impedance of 1 ohm. The Audiobahn amplifier will not give you the complete 2500W RMS that it is stating because it is over-rated. You will be underpowering the subwoofer and not playing it to its full potential but you technically could use the A18001DJ to run 1 15" HCCA152 subwoofer.
That depends on the installation and box construction and specifications. In general, 3 ten inch woofers will have more output and in the right enclosure will get plenty low.
@moochy101 Well they're both great subwoofers for different styles of applications. If you're looking for a sub that can handle huge amounts of power, and therefore output a ton of bass then you'll want to go with the Orion HCCA. If you go with the Kicker L7 then you'll get less output, but you won't need as large of an amplifier to drive it. It will output some great bas too, but not as much as the Orion HCCA. It all depends on how loud you want to be.
The RMS for a 10 is 1500W. If you want to run 2000W RMS you should be able too if the signal never clips and proper cooling is in place. However, run that power at your own risk. If our understanding is correct, the motor and coil are slightly beefier on the 12" which is how it has a higher power handling.
@hondaATV250 You'll definitely want to upgrade the alternator as soon as you can. Amplifiers that require around 2000W of RMS power or more are usually really demanding on your alternator. If you double that then you'll need to get a pretty beefy alternator when you upgrade. Adding another battery never hurts as it's the best way to build your electrical reserve on those demanding deep lows. You're on the right path, just make those upgrades and you'll be good to go!
@skater0313 If you're going with two Orion HCCA 15" subwoofers you will want to consider using the Dual 4 Ohm model so you can wire them to a final impedance of 1 Ohm. In this case you can use the MTX TE4001D. Using one amplifier for two 15" HCCA's is pretty tough, as not many amplifiers are capable of 3800-4000 watts of RMS power. If you use two amplifiers use the 15.2 model and use two Hifonics Brutus BRZ2100.1D amps. Use 0 gauge wire for power, and use 10 gauge speaker wire.
@skater0313 Due to the high amount of watts that two HCCA subs would require from your amplifiers and batteries, you would need a 0 Gauge amplifier kit. The PKD1 by Kicker is a 0 Gauge Dual Amplifier Kit that would be perfect for setting up two amplifiers. You will need to purchase RCA Interconnect Cables as well since the kit does not include them. With that amp kit you will be able to properly set up two amps with the correct gauge wire to ensure that your system is running safely.
You would honestly be under powering any of the Orion HCCAs with those amps. They require 2000 watts RMS each. We would definitely recommend giving them at least that amount if not a little bit over. The Orion's are competition grade subs that are designed with SPL in-mind. Now, if you are going for SPL then the larger the sub, the higher the SPL. If you are interested in a little better sound quality than the 12" or 10" is a better choice.
We don't have the amps in stock currently, but we are hoping to get them in soon. I'm not sure on an ETA right now. Keep checking back and we will hopefully get them in soon.
Yes they can be. Wear and tear might be slightly different over time but they shouldn't blow. If they sound weird, mount them upright and see if there is a difference.
@skater0313 The Massive Audio 4000W Amplifier we carry only can push 2000W RMS @ 1 Ohm. Two 15" Orion HCCA's will require 2000W RMS for each subwoofer. I'd recommend one amp on each sub @ 1 ohm with that setup to be honest.
@05Narco They'll both be pretty loud setups, but it depends on how much money you're interested in spending on an ampifier. The Orion HCCA 15" will require a much larger amplifier to power, making it a louder subwoofer. It just depends on how much money you're willing to spend for the extra bass.
@KingBre99 The HCCA would be an excellent subwoofer to do what you are asking for. Paired with the Orion HCCA25001 would make your car be heard from many blocks away.
If your sub is a Dual 2 ohm woofer, then yes the Brutus 2000 will work. However, with a woofer of this size, it is always better to give it a more powerful amplifier to prevent clipping and give it the power it needs during peak demands.
The subs aren't "required" to be installed vertical, it is just recommended. This is because of the weight and power of the sub can be too much for a standard MDF wood box and can possibly destroy the MDF. Of course this depends on the quality of the enclosure that you are putting it into. There are videos on TH-cam of the HCCA woofers mounted horizontal, as you have probably seen. Typically they are stronger reinforced boxes. A strong custom enclosure is highly recommended!
@1980michigan Let's be honest here - the Power Acoustik amp is titled "5500D" as though it's a 5000W amp. Not only is this over-rated it's also based on it's peak performance which is entirely fictional, Power Acoustik amplifiers are not CEA compliant. This means they can put whatever they want for specifications on the box, and they would SIGNIFICANTLY underpower two Orion HCCA's. I would recommend the MTX amp as it's rated properly, and will push MORE power than what's stated on the box.
@turb0tach1 Unfortunately at this time we only have the Dual 4 Ohm model stocked. We do have an incoming shipment scheduled on the HCCA12.2 Dual 2 Ohm model at the first week of December. Keep in mind these ETA's are rough estimates, but we should have more in by then!
@RYDOGG2992 That will work fine. You can recone the subwoofer no matter the initial impedance (2 ohm or 4 ohm) and it will work fine with the newer model.
@1974opto Unfortunately we didn't have this amplifier so we don't have the exact specifications on it. It looks as though you'll get around 1000 watts of RMS power at 1 Ohm with that amplifier, but I could be wrong. To run an HCCA and get some high impacting bass response you're going to want to push around 1700 watts of RMS power at least into it. I'd highly recommend 2000 watts of power with it though. You may want to go with another subwoofer that requires a little less power.
Currently we have the 12" Dual 4 ohm for $299. Click the link in the video description (to the right) to see what we have. The $299 is also for the older version. The '09 model is running about $649. Remember that prices change over time too.
@friked They good if you are looking for extreme bass. The Orions are no joke and are considered competition woofers for a reason. They hit extremely hard and sound amazing. If you want more quality than you do bass look into the Rockford P3 or the JL Audio W3 or even W6. Those subwoofers will be better at SQ than the Orion subs. Its all about preference find out what you really want and then go with that.
@skater0313 Actually, Since the HCCA 15" subs are capable of handling 2000W RMS each, you will want to get one individual amp for each sub. With one Hifonics Brutus BRZ2100.1D to each sub, you can output 2100W RMS at 1ohm and thus safely powering up those HCCA 15" subs. For this to work you will need to have two of the HCCA152 , this will allow you to wire each sub in Parallel giving you a final 1ohm impedance.
@TheGangstafid That MRP-M2000 is a great amp! It can output 2000 watts of RMS power at 2 Ohms. If you're looking to get two subwoofers though, the HCCA and the Solo X will both require a bit more power. You can run one HCCA124 off of that amplifier if you don't want to upgrade your amp for more power. If you do want to upgrade your power though, put two of those 12" Solo X's into a custom-made enclosure and buy some earplugs, because that setup will get some serious bass response.
The 2 L7 woofers have the potential to be much louder because you have more than double the cone area. Make sure you get a custom built enclosure to the specs of the woofer for optimum performance.
Depends on your objective and what Memphis woofers and if you have the upgraded electrical to handle the system. Two 12" subwoofers have the potential to get louder than one 15" woofer.
@MrTiagomanuel77 This is possible. What you will have to do is hook up 1 voice coil to each amplifier. You just have to make sure that the gain settings are EXACTLY the same which can be done by daisy chaining the amplifiers through the preamp outputs. However, you will not be able to run at 1 ohm because the voice coils separatly will only achieve a 4 ohm load. You will need 2 amplifiers that are able to produce 1000W RMS @4 omhs not 1 ohm. Hope this helps!
@AAaudio710 On most competition style subwoofers you can use 10 gauge speaker wire. Make sure it's a good true to gauge 10 gauge speaker wire since you're going to want to allow the subwoofer to get to it's fully capacity. In some competitions you see 8 gauge wire stuffed in the terminals, so I'm quite sure it can take 8 gauge as well but I can't guarantee that.
@acer1234acer Your amplifier will run at full potential all the time, so it will heat up much quicker and if it does not have good heatsinks it will shut down more frequently. Like I said before the amplifier will work and will power the subwoofer but it will under power the subwoofer and run pretty hot most of the times.
@RYDOGG2992 Breaking in a new system is a careful time. You want to treat your new equipment delicately. During the "break-in period" for your system, you want to tune the amplifier to about half-way of where you want it to be, so very conservatively for about 24 hours of play time. The "audiophile" way to do this is to play a low-frequency test cd overnight at 3/4 volume. The more common way to break in a system is leaving your system tuned down for about a month, and then re-tuning.
@RYDOGG2992 That technique would work. You really don't want to exceed 75% with your gains or any other settings. If you have to turn your amp up to 3/4 or higher to get the sound you really want, then you usually have too small of an amplifier. On that ZX1500.1, I would tune for it break in by setting the gain to the nine o' clock position (Where the amplifier says "Gain") and I would turn the bass boost up to the first notch, at most halfway above this first notch.
@fonsolewis1 Since the amps have the same output at 2 ohms and at 1 ohm, it's more efficient to have a final impedance of 2 ohms, so go with the 15.2's, so you can wire them in series parallel to get a final impedance of 2 ohms. This way your amplifier won't be working as hard to achieve similar power outputs. When you can, always go for the higher impedance as it's less stress on your audio equipment.
@Rednation323 The Kicker ZX2500.1 would be a fantastic amplifier to power your HCCA154. The amplifier is rated for 2500 watts RMS which is more then enough to power up that sub. It won't be bad for the woofer because the wattage ratings and the impedance will match each other.
True, it was a broad question, and you are correct. I've seen it many times where someone tries to do exactly what you said. The truly safest way to run an amp would to perfectly gain match. Set your gain to the exact voltage your headunit is putting out. Amp might be able to do more semi-safely, but at least you know nothing bad will happen to any of your equipment.
(R.I.P Orion 😭😭) They had the demand but not the parts because of COVID they had to file for bankruptcy sucks dude. Made some amazing products to go out so cold.
@gio56ace A 12" Solo X by Kicker run off of a ZX2500.1 would be louder than a 12" Orion HCCA run off of a matching 2000W RMS amplifier. The reason's why, the Kicker woofer is definitely going to be louder, is because it has an additional 500W RMS power handling, and it's a Square woofer, vs a Round. Square covers more surface area, and also the Solo X has a better sensitivity rating. The 12" Solo X 12 will be a comparable sub to the 15" Orion HCCA for this reason.
@acer1234acer If you run the amp at 1 ohm it will still under power one 12" HCCA but it will provide enough power to run the subwoofer safely. Just don't run more than 1 HCAA on that amp, that would be bad. Also make sure you have the Dual 2 Ohm version of the subwoofer so you can properly wire it down to 1 ohm final impedance.
You need minimum of 2000W RMS for each subwoofer and they must be in a custom built enclosure. Your cutlass can only fit a max of two and the enclosure would have to take up the entire trunk space or more. You should be getting subwoofers based on the size you can fit it your vehicle with enclosure. You will need to run an upgraded alternator or two with a few batteries and lots of 0AWG wire.
@turb0tach1 It's not recommended, just because the Power Acoustik BAMF amplifier is over-rated significantly and it's hard to say exactly how much power it's outputting. Using a standard formula to calculate power from that amplifier (12v x fuse size x 0.7 efficiency) , it looks like it can truly output a little under 2000 watts at 1 ohm, which should work okay with an HCCA. Personally, I'd say go with an amplifier with higher dampening factor to have more control over your bass response.
man these subs are crazyyyy! ive only got one 15" and it rocks up the whole block im thinking of getting another 15" but yeah these subs are the best out there on the market
@skater0313 You can use a lot of different RCA's, but for some decent quality go with Tsunami, Stinger, Kicker, Rockford Fosgate, JL Audio, Streetwires, or Monster Cable. You can't wrong with any of those amp kits quality, so each of those brands will definitely be sufficient.
Your best bet would be a Hifonics Brutus (like the BRZ2400.1D or BRZ2100.1D). Thats probably going to give you the most/best power for the money. If you can afford more, try out the Kicker ZXS1500.1.
@tram7128 That matchup has good potential of working. I'm not sure of the Planet Audio's exact RMS specification, or at what impedance you plan on driving them at though so I can't recommend the setup. Now, keep in mind that Planet Audio is slightly over-rated so if it's RMS power is 950 watts, then it's probably pushing more close to 600-750 watts of RMS power, which would make it slightly underpower your subwoofers.
You would be right, however most people will put a low powered amplifier on a large sub, then crank the gain to max trying to get the most power (so they think), which in turn will fry the amp. Happens often. So, while giving a sub little to no power won't do anything to it, turning your gain up will. It was a broad question.
@twista93256 Thesten answered perfectly. It's all about matching up amplifiers and subwoofers. If you've chosen an amplifier that is 1 ohm stable, then you'll want to go with the 4 ohm model. If you have an amp that isn't 1 ohm stable, and pushes it's power at 2 ohms, then you'll want to go with the 2 ohm models. If you plan on using 2 amplifiers, this changes everything. Check out our subwoofer wiring diagram on our website, found in the knowledge base. We'll send you a message.
@318spen I would say the RE Audio SXX12D4, Alpine SWX-1243D, Rockford Fosgate T2D412, Jl Audio 12W6v2-D4, or the Image Dynamics IDMAX12 V.3 D4. Any of these subwoofers would be great to run at a final impedance of 2 ohms or you can get the Dual 2 ohm version of the subs and run the to a final 1 ohm impedance. I would more recommned upgrading your amplifiers, the Type-R subwoofers are great and probably not getting enough power to run at full capacity.
Those beasts handle 2000 watts RMS. It's probably best to go with one amplifier for each subwoofer. A good (and not too expensive) option would be two of the Hifonics Brutus 2400.1D. You could wire each sub down to 1ohm and get about 2k watts RMS to each.
@broboter56 The Orion HCCA has much high power handling so you can consider the HCCA to be the more durable and SPL efficient subwoofer. The JL Audio 10, 12, and 13W7 will all have less power handling capabilities, but will be geared more towards sound quality. Check out our user forums where a lot of car audio enthusiasts collaborate every day with helpful information for car audio.
@stevelovesgod We're considering to test popular SPL woofers as a video, but we haven't been able to confirm it yet. Your best bet for replacing that Kicker L7 would be to contact Kicker directly. If you purchased it from an authorized retailer like ourselves than you can get service within 1 year. If you didn't purchase it from an authorized retailer you can most likely pay for warranty service. Kicker stands behind their L7's and will usually be more than happy to get you a replacement.
If you have upgraded electrical to handle the power demands of the T1500 it will work for two HCCA woofers, but if you want full power you definitely need to upgrade the amp. None of this will work well without an upgraded alternator.
@XxMIXEDBOI25xX Hopefully you're not trying to power two of these subwoofers. The thing is, these woofers require a huge amount of power and if you'd like to match up a good quality product and get an efficient, powerful amp, you'll be paying a lot more than $200. Even if you're planning on running one, you're still asking for quite a bit of power at a very low price. For two HCCA's, I recommend the TE4001D by MTX Audio.
@BolstridgeMusic There's a few things I would need to know before I could recommend a suitable amplifier. First, are subwoofers you're trying to power single or dual voice coil? Are you trying to power all 3, or just one or the other? Also, what is the impedance of each voice coil? If the Vibe Audio speakers are single 4 Ohm, or Dual 2 Ohm, then a great UK amplifier would be the MTX Audio RT501. If you'd like to shop with us, we have a comparable amp available, the Kicker ZX500.1.
@playboydaking225 You're not going to see a huge difference between the two subs. The main difference is their cosmetic appearance of their cone, and the new surround material used. They're both made to handle extremely high amounts of power so the different surround material won't make a huge difference, other than for durability.
@lilmikeBaSsKiNg20 Actually...it might be too big. Orion recommends an extremely small enclosure for ported: Recommended Internal Box Volume for Ported: 3.5 cubic feet per chamber MTX Audio makes the TE4001D which will run two HCCA's perfectly @ 1 Ohm. So if you get two of the Dual 4 Ohm versions of the HCCA, get this amp for the perfect match.
You need an amp that will produce 8,000 watts RMS at 1ohm....... OR... You can go with 4 different amplifiers, all of which would need to be able to produce 2,000 watts RMS each. The Lanzar OPTI4001D's are one option, as are the Hifonics Brutus BRZ2400.1D.
@tram7128 There's a lot of awesome 2000 watt amplifiers on the market in a lot of different price ranges. If you're looking purely for power, you can run an HFi2000D at 1 Ohm to achieve around 2000 watts of RMS power. That amplifier would be the best cost efficient option. If you're looking for something a little more stable, or you want to run your setup at 2 Ohms you should go with the Alpine MRP-M2000. Finally, another great 1 Ohm amp would be the Massive Audio N4. Good luck !
@skater0313 Since you are going to be pushing over 4000 watts with two HCCA subs, we suggest you go with two KHC2400 Kinetik High Current Power Cells. You will also need to look into upgrading your vehicle's alternator, to make sure it can handle the stress of your system. The MA Audio HK 4000D is rated at 4000 watts @ 2Ohms. However please keep in mind that this amp is highly overrated and thus will mostly likely not give you the correct amount of power you would need for two HCCA subwoofers.
@BackDoorPickleTic They both perform amazingly but for different applications. Two 10" HCCA subs will handle 3000W RMS, giving you a tremendous amount of bass. While two 10' W7 subs will handle1500W RMS, only half of what the HCCA sub can handle. W7s are clean subs, they will hit hard and more importantly will hit with a better response rate creating a much tighter bass. HCCA subs are more competition based, so sound quality is not important. Where as W7 subs are more focused on sound quality
This sub is almost undestructible. A guy used a Soundstream XXX15000D amp to power 2 12" Hcca's and blew the amp first before he could of blown the subs.. But the subs still live!! These badasses can really hit hard and sound great at the same time. Orion Hcca's Ftw!!! 5 Stars!
@weematayna The HCCA's can take a bit of overpowering. The BRZ2400.1 is a CEA-2006 compliant amplifier so it will have a true power rating, and will effectively overpower the Orion HCCA 12. If you're using the Dual 2 Ohm version wired down to 1 Ohm, it should be a fine matchup. There's potential for blowing the sub due to this overpowering, but those HCCA's are pretty durable and should be able to handle the extra power. Be careful with your tuning adjustments though.
@SwatbotDubstep They're both great designs to consider. A ported enclosure might get you better overall bass output, while a sealed enclosure will help with overall bass response. Sealed enclosures will also require more power to perform similarly with a ported enclosure, so if you're low on power consider a ported enclosure.
@txhen1 You would be safe giving them about 2000-2500 watts RMS. Just remember to adjust your gain accordingly if you overpower them by more then this.
@ibutd this will be fine. these are competition grade subwoofers so they can take the heat!
@318spen If you are going to go with the A18001DJ then I recommend going with the HCCA152 so you can wire the subwoofer to a final impedance of 1 ohm. The Audiobahn amplifier will not give you the complete 2500W RMS that it is stating because it is over-rated. You will be underpowering the subwoofer and not playing it to its full potential but you technically could use the A18001DJ to run 1 15" HCCA152 subwoofer.
That depends on the installation and box construction and specifications. In general, 3 ten inch woofers will have more output and in the right enclosure will get plenty low.
@moochy101 Well they're both great subwoofers for different styles of applications. If you're looking for a sub that can handle huge amounts of power, and therefore output a ton of bass then you'll want to go with the Orion HCCA. If you go with the Kicker L7 then you'll get less output, but you won't need as large of an amplifier to drive it. It will output some great bas too, but not as much as the Orion HCCA. It all depends on how loud you want to be.
The RMS for a 10 is 1500W. If you want to run 2000W RMS you should be able too if the signal never clips and proper cooling is in place. However, run that power at your own risk. If our understanding is correct, the motor and coil are slightly beefier on the 12" which is how it has a higher power handling.
@hondaATV250 You'll definitely want to upgrade the alternator as soon as you can. Amplifiers that require around 2000W of RMS power or more are usually really demanding on your alternator. If you double that then you'll need to get a pretty beefy alternator when you upgrade. Adding another battery never hurts as it's the best way to build your electrical reserve on those demanding deep lows. You're on the right path, just make those upgrades and you'll be good to go!
@skater0313 If you're going with two Orion HCCA 15" subwoofers you will want to consider using the Dual 4 Ohm model so you can wire them to a final impedance of 1 Ohm. In this case you can use the MTX TE4001D.
Using one amplifier for two 15" HCCA's is pretty tough, as not many amplifiers are capable of 3800-4000 watts of RMS power. If you use two amplifiers use the 15.2 model and use two Hifonics Brutus BRZ2100.1D amps.
Use 0 gauge wire for power, and use 10 gauge speaker wire.
@skater0313 Due to the high amount of watts that two HCCA subs would require from your amplifiers and batteries, you would need a 0 Gauge amplifier kit. The PKD1 by Kicker is a 0 Gauge Dual Amplifier Kit that would be perfect for setting up two amplifiers. You will need to purchase RCA Interconnect Cables as well since the kit does not include them. With that amp kit you will be able to properly set up two amps with the correct gauge wire to ensure that your system is running safely.
Wow, its not every day that I get to see someone less prepared to explain something. You're gonna be tough to outshine.
@DeltaWebz The voice coil of the HCCA is wrapped around the former. The former is attached to the spider ring which the spider is mounted on.
I'm glad Sonic has someone like Seth who is actually smart and knows what he's talking about.
You would honestly be under powering any of the Orion HCCAs with those amps. They require 2000 watts RMS each. We would definitely recommend giving them at least that amount if not a little bit over. The Orion's are competition grade subs that are designed with SPL in-mind. Now, if you are going for SPL then the larger the sub, the higher the SPL. If you are interested in a little better sound quality than the 12" or 10" is a better choice.
We don't have the amps in stock currently, but we are hoping to get them in soon. I'm not sure on an ETA right now. Keep checking back and we will hopefully get them in soon.
Yes they can be. Wear and tear might be slightly different over time but they shouldn't blow. If they sound weird, mount them upright and see if there is a difference.
@skater0313 The Massive Audio 4000W Amplifier we carry only can push 2000W RMS @ 1 Ohm. Two 15" Orion HCCA's will require 2000W RMS for each subwoofer. I'd recommend one amp on each sub @ 1 ohm with that setup to be honest.
@05Narco They'll both be pretty loud setups, but it depends on how much money you're interested in spending on an ampifier. The Orion HCCA 15" will require a much larger amplifier to power, making it a louder subwoofer. It just depends on how much money you're willing to spend for the extra bass.
We just ordered a few of these the other day so expect to see them in stock in around 2 weeks.
@noezzi Yes it will be fine. Just make sure you have enough clearance to compensate for the excursion.
I'm going to order the 15 5000 rms 2 ohm one.. with the 5000.1d orion amp... I'm about to be disturbing the peace.
@KingBre99 The HCCA would be an excellent subwoofer to do what you are asking for. Paired with the Orion HCCA25001 would make your car be heard from many blocks away.
If your sub is a Dual 2 ohm woofer, then yes the Brutus 2000 will work. However, with a woofer of this size, it is always better to give it a more powerful amplifier to prevent clipping and give it the power it needs during peak demands.
The subs aren't "required" to be installed vertical, it is just recommended. This is because of the weight and power of the sub can be too much for a standard MDF wood box and can possibly destroy the MDF. Of course this depends on the quality of the enclosure that you are putting it into. There are videos on TH-cam of the HCCA woofers mounted horizontal, as you have probably seen. Typically they are stronger reinforced boxes. A strong custom enclosure is highly recommended!
@1980michigan Let's be honest here - the Power Acoustik amp is titled "5500D" as though it's a 5000W amp. Not only is this over-rated it's also based on it's peak performance which is entirely fictional, Power Acoustik amplifiers are not CEA compliant. This means they can put whatever they want for specifications on the box, and they would SIGNIFICANTLY underpower two Orion HCCA's. I would recommend the MTX amp as it's rated properly, and will push MORE power than what's stated on the box.
@turb0tach1 Unfortunately at this time we only have the Dual 4 Ohm model stocked. We do have an incoming shipment scheduled on the HCCA12.2 Dual 2 Ohm model at the first week of December. Keep in mind these ETA's are rough estimates, but we should have more in by then!
@RYDOGG2992 That will work fine. You can recone the subwoofer no matter the initial impedance (2 ohm or 4 ohm) and it will work fine with the newer model.
@1974opto Unfortunately we didn't have this amplifier so we don't have the exact specifications on it. It looks as though you'll get around 1000 watts of RMS power at 1 Ohm with that amplifier, but I could be wrong. To run an HCCA and get some high impacting bass response you're going to want to push around 1700 watts of RMS power at least into it. I'd highly recommend 2000 watts of power with it though. You may want to go with another subwoofer that requires a little less power.
@xHockeyPlaya99 the sensitivity on the w7 is a little higher so we would have to say the w7 will be a little bit louder.
Currently we have the 12" Dual 4 ohm for $299. Click the link in the video description (to the right) to see what we have. The $299 is also for the older version. The '09 model is running about $649. Remember that prices change over time too.
@friked They good if you are looking for extreme bass. The Orions are no joke and are considered competition woofers for a reason. They hit extremely hard and sound amazing. If you want more quality than you do bass look into the Rockford P3 or the JL Audio W3 or even W6. Those subwoofers will be better at SQ than the Orion subs. Its all about preference find out what you really want and then go with that.
@skater0313 Actually, Since the HCCA 15" subs are capable of handling 2000W RMS each, you will want to get one individual amp for each sub. With one Hifonics Brutus BRZ2100.1D to each sub, you can output 2100W RMS at 1ohm and thus safely powering up those HCCA 15" subs. For this to work you will need to have two of the HCCA152 , this will allow you to wire each sub in Parallel giving you a final 1ohm impedance.
@TheGangstafid That MRP-M2000 is a great amp! It can output 2000 watts of RMS power at 2 Ohms. If you're looking to get two subwoofers though, the HCCA and the Solo X will both require a bit more power. You can run one HCCA124 off of that amplifier if you don't want to upgrade your amp for more power. If you do want to upgrade your power though, put two of those 12" Solo X's into a custom-made enclosure and buy some earplugs, because that setup will get some serious bass response.
The 2 L7 woofers have the potential to be much louder because you have more than double the cone area. Make sure you get a custom built enclosure to the specs of the woofer for optimum performance.
Hell no no fucking way
Depends on your objective and what Memphis woofers and if you have the upgraded electrical to handle the system. Two 12" subwoofers have the potential to get louder than one 15" woofer.
@MrTiagomanuel77 This is possible. What you will have to do is hook up 1 voice coil to each amplifier. You just have to make sure that the gain settings are EXACTLY the same which can be done by daisy chaining the amplifiers through the preamp outputs. However, you will not be able to run at 1 ohm because the voice coils separatly will only achieve a 4 ohm load. You will need 2 amplifiers that are able to produce 1000W RMS @4 omhs not 1 ohm. Hope this helps!
Depends what you want. Two subwoofers will give you more cone area and thus more output assuming it is in a custom made enclosure.
@AAaudio710 On most competition style subwoofers you can use 10 gauge speaker wire. Make sure it's a good true to gauge 10 gauge speaker wire since you're going to want to allow the subwoofer to get to it's fully capacity. In some competitions you see 8 gauge wire stuffed in the terminals, so I'm quite sure it can take 8 gauge as well but I can't guarantee that.
@acer1234acer Your amplifier will run at full potential all the time, so it will heat up much quicker and if it does not have good heatsinks it will shut down more frequently. Like I said before the amplifier will work and will power the subwoofer but it will under power the subwoofer and run pretty hot most of the times.
@RYDOGG2992 Breaking in a new system is a careful time. You want to treat your new equipment delicately. During the "break-in period" for your system, you want to tune the amplifier to about half-way of where you want it to be, so very conservatively for about 24 hours of play time. The "audiophile" way to do this is to play a low-frequency test cd overnight at 3/4 volume. The more common way to break in a system is leaving your system tuned down for about a month, and then re-tuning.
@RYDOGG2992 That technique would work. You really don't want to exceed 75% with your gains or any other settings. If you have to turn your amp up to 3/4 or higher to get the sound you really want, then you usually have too small of an amplifier. On that ZX1500.1, I would tune for it break in by setting the gain to the nine o' clock position (Where the amplifier says "Gain") and I would turn the bass boost up to the first notch, at most halfway above this first notch.
@fonsolewis1 Since the amps have the same output at 2 ohms and at 1 ohm, it's more efficient to have a final impedance of 2 ohms, so go with the 15.2's, so you can wire them in series parallel to get a final impedance of 2 ohms. This way your amplifier won't be working as hard to achieve similar power outputs. When you can, always go for the higher impedance as it's less stress on your audio equipment.
Definitely go ahead and take a look at the ones we have available on our website.
@WhoopWhoop419Juggalo Louder is an understatement. So, the answer to your question is yes.
@Rednation323 The Kicker ZX2500.1 would be a fantastic amplifier to power your HCCA154. The amplifier is rated for 2500 watts RMS which is more then enough to power up that sub. It won't be bad for the woofer because the wattage ratings and the impedance will match each other.
They are pretty close as far as quality goes. If you're going for pure SPL, than the MTX's are designed specifically for that purpose.
True, it was a broad question, and you are correct. I've seen it many times where someone tries to do exactly what you said. The truly safest way to run an amp would to perfectly gain match. Set your gain to the exact voltage your headunit is putting out. Amp might be able to do more semi-safely, but at least you know nothing bad will happen to any of your equipment.
(R.I.P Orion 😭😭) They had the demand but not the parts because of COVID they had to file for bankruptcy sucks dude. Made some amazing products to go out so cold.
if this is true then it make sense.. price went up on these..
@@nycliving9514 they just got bought by a audio company they are selling the hcca line again
I wanted to see him try to lift the 15, LOL.
DanielRichards644 i have it, they are fucking heavy!
@gio56ace A 12" Solo X by Kicker run off of a ZX2500.1 would be louder than a 12" Orion HCCA run off of a matching 2000W RMS amplifier. The reason's why, the Kicker woofer is definitely going to be louder, is because it has an additional 500W RMS power handling, and it's a Square woofer, vs a Round. Square covers more surface area, and also the Solo X has a better sensitivity rating. The 12" Solo X 12 will be a comparable sub to the 15" Orion HCCA for this reason.
All the 12" will weight the same (around 76 lbs!). The minor differences in weight are due to scale calibration.
@acer1234acer If you run the amp at 1 ohm it will still under power one 12" HCCA but it will provide enough power to run the subwoofer safely. Just don't run more than 1 HCAA on that amp, that would be bad. Also make sure you have the Dual 2 Ohm version of the subwoofer so you can properly wire it down to 1 ohm final impedance.
You need minimum of 2000W RMS for each subwoofer and they must be in a custom built enclosure. Your cutlass can only fit a max of two and the enclosure would have to take up the entire trunk space or more. You should be getting subwoofers based on the size you can fit it your vehicle with enclosure. You will need to run an upgraded alternator or two with a few batteries and lots of 0AWG wire.
@turb0tach1 It's not recommended, just because the Power Acoustik BAMF amplifier is over-rated significantly and it's hard to say exactly how much power it's outputting. Using a standard formula to calculate power from that amplifier (12v x fuse size x 0.7 efficiency) , it looks like it can truly output a little under 2000 watts at 1 ohm, which should work okay with an HCCA. Personally, I'd say go with an amplifier with higher dampening factor to have more control over your bass response.
It will usually tell you somewhere on the subwoofer magnet or at the power terminals.
Honestly, in the end they're both going to sound pretty good.
It depends on the size subwoofer you are looking at. These subwoofers require quite a bit of air space for optimal operation.
@navor10 The 12" Orion HCCA can handle 2000W RMS power handling. Quite a bit of power for one woofer to handle.
man these subs are crazyyyy! ive only got one 15" and it rocks up the whole block im thinking of getting another 15" but yeah these subs are the best out there on the market
I will buy me two of those 15"s one day... they look and must sound extremely great.
@skater0313 You can use a lot of different RCA's, but for some decent quality go with Tsunami, Stinger, Kicker, Rockford Fosgate, JL Audio, Streetwires, or Monster Cable. You can't wrong with any of those amp kits quality, so each of those brands will definitely be sufficient.
Your best bet would be a Hifonics Brutus (like the BRZ2400.1D or BRZ2100.1D). Thats probably going to give you the most/best power for the money. If you can afford more, try out the Kicker ZXS1500.1.
@BlueToad2222 Thanks for the support.
These are competition woofers, it is always best to provide them the maximum amount of power you can give them.
@parkkillers We would consider 1 amp for each sub. Such as the Zx2500.1.
@tram7128 That matchup has good potential of working. I'm not sure of the Planet Audio's exact RMS specification, or at what impedance you plan on driving them at though so I can't recommend the setup. Now, keep in mind that Planet Audio is slightly over-rated so if it's RMS power is 950 watts, then it's probably pushing more close to 600-750 watts of RMS power, which would make it slightly underpower your subwoofers.
You would be right, however most people will put a low powered amplifier on a large sub, then crank the gain to max trying to get the most power (so they think), which in turn will fry the amp. Happens often. So, while giving a sub little to no power won't do anything to it, turning your gain up will. It was a broad question.
I agree with your comment 100% with only ONE difference in opinion, for RE Audio, I must say they're wonderful with prices!
@twista93256 Thesten answered perfectly. It's all about matching up amplifiers and subwoofers. If you've chosen an amplifier that is 1 ohm stable, then you'll want to go with the 4 ohm model. If you have an amp that isn't 1 ohm stable, and pushes it's power at 2 ohms, then you'll want to go with the 2 ohm models. If you plan on using 2 amplifiers, this changes everything. Check out our subwoofer wiring diagram on our website, found in the knowledge base. We'll send you a message.
@318spen I would say the RE Audio SXX12D4, Alpine SWX-1243D, Rockford Fosgate T2D412, Jl Audio 12W6v2-D4, or the Image Dynamics IDMAX12 V.3 D4. Any of these subwoofers would be great to run at a final impedance of 2 ohms or you can get the Dual 2 ohm version of the subs and run the to a final 1 ohm impedance. I would more recommned upgrading your amplifiers, the Type-R subwoofers are great and probably not getting enough power to run at full capacity.
Those beasts handle 2000 watts RMS. It's probably best to go with one amplifier for each subwoofer. A good (and not too expensive) option would be two of the Hifonics Brutus 2400.1D. You could wire each sub down to 1ohm and get about 2k watts RMS to each.
@broboter56 The Orion HCCA has much high power handling so you can consider the HCCA to be the more durable and SPL efficient subwoofer. The JL Audio 10, 12, and 13W7 will all have less power handling capabilities, but will be geared more towards sound quality. Check out our user forums where a lot of car audio enthusiasts collaborate every day with helpful information for car audio.
@jcordova93 Generally, most subs will take around 10 hours before they play to their maximum potential.
The low pass filter is generally best at 80Hz or less for subwoofers.
It is a 445 oz. 3 stacked magnet.
@stevelovesgod We're considering to test popular SPL woofers as a video, but we haven't been able to confirm it yet. Your best bet for replacing that Kicker L7 would be to contact Kicker directly. If you purchased it from an authorized retailer like ourselves than you can get service within 1 year. If you didn't purchase it from an authorized retailer you can most likely pay for warranty service. Kicker stands behind their L7's and will usually be more than happy to get you a replacement.
If you have upgraded electrical to handle the power demands of the T1500 it will work for two HCCA woofers, but if you want full power you definitely need to upgrade the amp. None of this will work well without an upgraded alternator.
@XxMIXEDBOI25xX Hopefully you're not trying to power two of these subwoofers. The thing is, these woofers require a huge amount of power and if you'd like to match up a good quality product and get an efficient, powerful amp, you'll be paying a lot more than $200. Even if you're planning on running one, you're still asking for quite a bit of power at a very low price. For two HCCA's, I recommend the TE4001D by MTX Audio.
@BolstridgeMusic There's a few things I would need to know before I could recommend a suitable amplifier. First, are subwoofers you're trying to power single or dual voice coil? Are you trying to power all 3, or just one or the other? Also, what is the impedance of each voice coil? If the Vibe Audio speakers are single 4 Ohm, or Dual 2 Ohm, then a great UK amplifier would be the MTX Audio RT501. If you'd like to shop with us, we have a comparable amp available, the Kicker ZX500.1.
If you have upgraded electrical (wire, alternator, battery) and a Dual 2 ohm HCCA 15, then yes it can power it.
The Rockford Fosgate T2500-1bdCP would be another great choice to run the Orion.
@playboydaking225 You're not going to see a huge difference between the two subs. The main difference is their cosmetic appearance of their cone, and the new surround material used. They're both made to handle extremely high amounts of power so the different surround material won't make a huge difference, other than for durability.
Thanks for such an awesome compliment! :D
@lilmikeBaSsKiNg20 Actually...it might be too big. Orion recommends an extremely small enclosure for ported:
Recommended Internal Box Volume for Ported: 3.5 cubic feet per chamber
MTX Audio makes the TE4001D which will run two HCCA's perfectly @ 1 Ohm. So if you get two of the Dual 4 Ohm versions of the HCCA, get this amp for the perfect match.
You need an amp that will produce 8,000 watts RMS at 1ohm.......
OR... You can go with 4 different amplifiers, all of which would need to be able to produce 2,000 watts RMS each. The Lanzar OPTI4001D's are one option, as are the Hifonics Brutus BRZ2400.1D.
@SonicElectronixTV i have to agree about the rating.i estimate it by fuse rating.5x4= 200 amps.i estimate 1,800-2,200 watts rms@ 1 ohm.
@tram7128 There's a lot of awesome 2000 watt amplifiers on the market in a lot of different price ranges. If you're looking purely for power, you can run an HFi2000D at 1 Ohm to achieve around 2000 watts of RMS power. That amplifier would be the best cost efficient option. If you're looking for something a little more stable, or you want to run your setup at 2 Ohms you should go with the Alpine MRP-M2000. Finally, another great 1 Ohm amp would be the Massive Audio N4. Good luck !
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@xHockeyPlaya99 This will really depend on which amplifier you run with them.
@skater0313 Since you are going to be pushing over 4000 watts with two HCCA subs, we suggest you go with two KHC2400 Kinetik High Current Power Cells. You will also need to look into upgrading your vehicle's alternator, to make sure it can handle the stress of your system. The MA Audio HK 4000D is rated at 4000 watts @ 2Ohms. However please keep in mind that this amp is highly overrated and thus will mostly likely not give you the correct amount of power you would need for two HCCA subwoofers.
@SonicElectronixTV thanx for the response and that extra lil bit of knowledge......priceless.............Great vid
a quick question.. this was a long time ago.. what changes were made compared with the modern subwolfers ??
@ihaterabbits127 Yes look into our DLS products, those are high-end and offer different features that are not found on JL Audio speakers.
@BackDoorPickleTic They both perform amazingly but for different applications. Two 10" HCCA subs will handle 3000W RMS, giving you a tremendous amount of bass. While two 10' W7 subs will handle1500W RMS, only half of what the HCCA sub can handle. W7s are clean subs, they will hit hard and more importantly will hit with a better response rate creating a much tighter bass. HCCA subs are more competition based, so sound quality is not important. Where as W7 subs are more focused on sound quality
It's all about the enclosure. However, these are competition subs meant for loudness, they won't be that musical in general.
This sub is almost undestructible. A guy used a Soundstream XXX15000D amp to power 2 12" Hcca's and blew the amp first before he could of blown the subs.. But the subs still live!! These badasses can really hit hard and sound great at the same time.
Orion Hcca's Ftw!!! 5 Stars!
ive saved up for 5 months.....i finally have 1000 dollars to get 2 of them. should be here within a week so psyched!!
@weematayna The HCCA's can take a bit of overpowering. The BRZ2400.1 is a CEA-2006 compliant amplifier so it will have a true power rating, and will effectively overpower the Orion HCCA 12. If you're using the Dual 2 Ohm version wired down to 1 Ohm, it should be a fine matchup. There's potential for blowing the sub due to this overpowering, but those HCCA's are pretty durable and should be able to handle the extra power. Be careful with your tuning adjustments though.
The difference is the 15" will be able to hit lower bass notes but wont be as accurate or responsive as the 12". They are the same power rating.
Orion recommends a ported enclosure of about 3.5 cubic feet.