Nothing has changed, she's still super annoying and dumb and takes the fun out of a match but at least doesn't make a match as unbearable as a widowmaker
Shes light work bruh get a torb, brig, D.va. Anybody who can shut down dive shuts down Sombra. Got team rolled on Junk Town and a little torb turret turned Somb into my biatch.
People only put up with Widowmaker because of her design tbh I'd rather be flanked (jumped) and have a chance of fighting back than getting one shot across the map
I've been saying since the rework that they should've tied her stealth to her hack. If you're not aiming at an enemy, health pack or turret, then you just hack YOURSELF turning you invisible. Tp can still activate it, that's fine, but having hack be a way to turn invisible would give you more options with different tradeoffs. That way, it's still a conscious decision you have to make, but without sacrificing your escape tool, it even has a slight audio cue so people know when to be on guard, like her tp. But it lacks the visual cue, because having a visual cue defeats the point of invisibility.
I'm a support player that has Sombra as my most played DPS character since her release with over 2k hours in this game. Sombra was given flack for being underwhelming with her damage output, EMP or hack being seen as weak/useless early on, a healthpack ult battery, and until recently she was seen as especially irritating with the hack+virus combo giving you little time to react and take a large burst of damage paired with some damage over time. The rework made her playstyle shift from a flanker to a team player that relies a little more on others than before and it feels pretty bad, especially with how often every match has a Widowmaker making everyone else miserable and her having a much smaller amount of time to deal with her, especially if she has a tank or supports enabling her even more. Sorry for the rambling, but yeah, a lot of people hate having parts of their kit disabled or stunned or any of that inherently, paired with her perceived unfairness of being able to enable/disengage fights quickly.
I’m really hoping the Sombra drama results in her getting a full rework that makes her healthier. I think she’s in that group of characters who no matter the number tweaks she will never be fun for everyone because she is fundamentally flawed. I get the “skill issue” argument sombra mains keep pushing but even if you “counter” or out skill her who enjoys playing into her? Even the worst sombra’s could make the game hell. Her rework isn’t the best, I do like that it filtered out the sombra players who used infinite invis as a crutch but overall definitely not the way they should have gone about it. I understand wanting to keep her identity alive but what is this like her 6th rework/change clearly something isn’t working. I just hope it this leads to a full rework that will finally make her less hated. The only reason I miss the old sombra is because widow is kinda going crazy now
Seems like any character that makes others have to work as a group, change to a different character, or even change their playstyle or look behind themselves makes a lot of people go ballistic. Mei, Mercy, Sombra, etc all got tons of hate. Slurs, comments on no skill. The no skill generally is those people not adapting and wanting to play the same character is the same way all the time.
Even if you don't like Sombra, this DE-work is something the community shouldn't let the devs slide on. Now before you flame me,an admittedly former Sombra and former OW player, let me just set the record straight. Sombra mains NEVER WANTED perma invis, yet we catch all the hate for it like we designed it. If you hate Sombra, don't take it out on Sombra mains, take it out on the devs that allowed it to happen in the first place. Secondly, they removed her entire identity. Imagine how you'd feel if they did this to your main? It's lazy and it's disrespectful of the playerbase.
They did his name is Doomfist lol anyway they just hate her damage she use to be utility pick but now she she is basically Soldier but with a Debuff and hack, it’s not your fault I like the character just hate what they did to her
After I played a bit of the rework I got a strong sense that people would dislike Sombra just the same if not more (alongside Sombra just being clunkier to play and less fluid). Perma invis definitely should not be in the game, but I think what most people complain about is her virus combo that "one shots" squishies if properly set up. And of course with the rework, TTK is even faster with virus combo, it's just that the setup for it takes a lot longer and she is easier to flush out
I main support. I play mercy and/or kiriko if the other pick mercy. The thing is sombra. I balanced it out by maining so bro TOO. I play most support, but when I play damage, I play sombra. When I do that I just understand what the other sombra think. That way it’s not annoying or frustrating, it’s just… logical. Btw, I like the rework. The damage boost is a lot better and stronger.
This sombra hate is exactly why i didn’t main her from overwatch 1 and I wanted to but the hate just turned it off for me , i like the character i think she’s interesting as a hacker considering im an in IT so yeah the hate is annoying towards the players chill out , take a break from the game even or something because the things I’ve seen online is ridiculous
I'm a support main who plays Sombra as my main DPS, and I'm just sad that the hero i fell in love with is gone. Idc about her being underpowered, i just want my hero again. I've always found her fun to play against pre-virus. Its cool to try and outsmart Sombra, especially as someone who plays her myself.
the problem is people just dont want to change their hero thats why they complain . just go moira / LW / Phara / Winston / Diva it wasn't that hard to fight her
I dont even recall her getting as much hate early on when she was more the setup for team dos support hybrid... The real hate feels like it started when blizzard buffed her assassinnplaystyle and esspecially once virus was added
Maybe it depends on your rank 🤔 when I played on console to plat to diamond servers I mostly got hate mail 🫡 and that was around 2018-2019 tbh I don’t think I played her at launch so that I’m not sure
@OkayyKimi Cant remember which season Sombra came out but i I hit diamond on pc in like S6 back then and stayed there for all of the remainder of ow1 (low to mid diamond) and i mained Mercy/Zen. I remember matches where i absolutelyd raged at Genji, at Tracer... literally cant even remember any issues with Sombra before coming back to OW2 in April
@@VayreenaVulpera nah its just what he was saying more utility/strategy with her kit and less assassination. However I prefer this dive the backline, hit the skill shot, and then tping tf out.
Are people still complaining about the ability lockout? Bc 1 sec of ability lockout is not worth mentioning. Like lucio can jump into the void (so he would then wall ride around and escape your team that way) and you hack him and then he just keep wallriding like nothing happened. The only reason to hack someone now is either to disable their ult (and yes while that seems bad keep in mind that a specific support can also make ults useless + save teammates when they clearly made a mistake + other stuff with that same ability) or to get that damage boost (so you now deal about the same damage as soldier 67).
Well majority of the community is lower rank players so to them Sombra is broken. They still think Mauga is broken. But regardless, yeah this community is stupid lol.
@@swerve589 the thing is, why nobody is talking about Pharah, no damage fall off, no aim required, free move in XYZ, high damage per shot and to armor, a great knockback in E, a ultimate that can clear targets easy and still a 225 hp character with a small hitbox.
@@liucanthewhitewolf1198 Well like I mentioned. Majority of the community is lower ranks. Silver-plat to be exact. As someone who’s been in those ranks, on console as well, Pharah is easier to counter in those ranks compared to a Sombra. And I was a terrible hit scan too might I add. It’s just a majority thing. I hear more lower ranks complain about Junkrat, Venture, and Mauga for example being broken but meanwhile I hear the higher players consider them bad.
@@swerve589 in my games in quickplay, if there is a pharah is gg most of the time, and if its has a mercy is over. In ranked is less annoying since people want to win at all cost but still a menace, while i never see sombra. I am at gold 3/2 in all roles. She always gets picked when the game is hard for them, that is no coincidence.
Personally coming from MOBAs where multiple characters have silence and stealth abilities and it is not complained about anywhere as much as Sombra I think you are right.
People are just super dramatic about her, ever since i joined back in season 9 it's always been complaining about something even if it was a good thing they complain to complain, doesn't help content creators either excuse the behavior or endorse it. I've seen creators say that $40 for a weapon skin is ok or that $60 for a skin pack is totally fine. Idk but the overwatch community needs to learn that theor opinions and experiences alone aren't the only things taken into account there's other players that exist and Sombras changes are a great thing
She got gutted ability wise but they buffed her dmg through the roof and shortened translocator cooldown in response to backlash. By doing this they removed a large majority of the skill expression that was available in her and made her even more frustrating to play against because now you can just hack someone while invis, virus them and translocate away and leave that person at like 75 health without hitting a single bullet. I just hate the fact that they gutted her but then backtracked by giving her near infinite invis anyway with translocator getting a shorter cooldown, it feels like this whole thing is just another excuse to buff her dmg again. Honestly, every time they touch Sombra it’s a nerf to her abilities and a dmg buff and I kinda hate that. This message was sent by a support and Sombra player
Of course It’s wrong to call any player a Slur, but that doesn’t change the fact that Sombra is all around just a bad character. Conceptually a hacker shouldn’t do so much damage just with her weapon, she should have more skills that help her with the damage ecc. also she has too much escape capabilities, everyone can escape a fight but for Sombra is so easy that a sombra player doesn’t have to be afraid of going into a fight alone and that’s just a bad mechanic. Finally, sombra is a character that works alone in a game made to be played in group and made to have team dynamics
Same I mean I feel as though I’m in the not so popular category I think maybe cause it reminds me of ow1 sombra and I prefer that version of her kit rather than infinite invis
@@OkayyKimi agreed. I mained her back in ow1 when i first picked up the game. The rework feels so nostalgic and i really think if played correctly she can be just as impactful and scary as she was with perma invis
At the sake of being flamed, I like this version of Sombra more than the other ones, it’s less safe sure, but I feel like I get more kills, not sure if that’s what people are upset about 🤷♀️
I think it’s just a huge change to her original kit, I feel like if you played ow 1 as sombra you’re probably more used to it and not mind it as much I personally do like the changes but I can see why other sombra players would dislike it
LOL love the intro! I have a lot to say. Sombra is indeed fundamentally annoying to play against...not overpowered, just annoying. To be debuffed will never "feel good," but it is very strange that the community (myself included) has such a strong dislike for getting hacked, when in actuality it's FAR less oppressive than Ana's grenade or sleep dart. Seriously, how is preventing all healing and *preventing all possible movement* LESS hated than taking a slight damage increase from Sombra? Or how MEI USED TO FREEZE YOU IN PLACE WITH HER PRIMARY FIRE??? The worst part about Sombra imo is the frequency of Hack and her ease of doing it. When she was able to perpetually stay invisible behind your team and constantly harass you? Yeah, that shit sucked. Infinite invisibility is fine in a crazy wacky shooter like TF2, but Overwatch is much more focused and refined, which makes Sombra's unique threat very annoying. Not to mention Hack is literally auto-targeting. These things combined make her have so little risk to play, but give so much dread to her targets. Personally...I want another rework, but I have very specific ideas. Instead of fusing Trans and Stealth, make them their own unique abilities again. Stealth should not be infinite, it should either be on a static cooldown like in OW1, or possibly have a resource meter like Dva's matrix. (I don't know if that would still be oppressive to fight against or not, I'd need to see some playtesting.) And most of all: *fuse Virus and Hack* instead of Stealth and Translocator. If you tap the button, you get just Virus (initial damage + gradual damage), but if you hold the button, you slowly charging up the Virus to give it Hack's properties as well (double damage received from Sombra and an interrupt of your abilities). I like landing Virus at long ranges, but think Hack is far too easy and riskless to use. This would make Hack an actual skillshot and be risky to use up close. As well, it's a bit redundant to make the player dump two entire abilities on a critical target when you could just use the tap/hold idea to make it take as much time to apply but with less buttons. Maybe the idea is dogshit, but I very recently realized I actually *really* like playing Sombra, and want her to feel good for everyone involved.
You know...i strangely enough never had a problem with Sombra, the only character in the game i will always talk absolute shit about it Moira. Sombra's awesome, one of my friends mains Sombra and i main Lucio, i always flank together with him. The only trash character in the game imo is Moira and i will die on that hill.
Don't believe anyone who says Sombra takes no skill because the only people who has a hard time playing against her are usually those who don't know how to deal with her. Because we try play Samba against people who know how to deal with her they will take you out before you have a chance to finish hacking much less take out at Target
Sombra was a good counter to a lot of hero's I can't tell you how many times I force players to get off Widow lifeweaver if you play her right you can counter Genji Pharah now they made her hard to counter those same hero's depend what map you on those same hero's can run the map with out a counter. When I play Sombra I use her ults to cancel out others now some of them she can't counter anymore like tree of life witch I don't get since it's energy base and she a hacker so she should be able to counter it but can't anymore it's like they hack a hacker.
honestly the rework isnt that bad its really a buff if you think about it the only difference is the ability lock out if you cancel stealth too soon if you virus someone just before it runs out, you have a second or 2 to get a kill and get out like legit the only bad thing is that shes just clunkier to play as you have to play around the timer She's not weak i hate people who say that just bc shes clunky now
My problem with sombra was her huge damage thanks to virus, since they didn’t nerf her damage I still dislike her, they made her less fluid and fun to play as, but keep the delete damage she has, literally autplay sombra every day as Ana or junkrat, still the same for me, just made her less useful. Also her hack was only felt a problem on ow2 thanks to have 1 tank. I didn’t bother the infinit invis, I do bother get a hog one shot combo level on a infinit invis hero with high mobility and skinny hit box wile shooting like a mix of tracer and solder 76
They swapped her dynamic from a support DPS, a Pick DPS, to now Sombra 76. I don’t mind switching utility heroes into DPS, Torb and Sym were great examples. But her lower DPS combined with EMP was what made her balanced and unique. In my honest opinion, make her hack as a debuff rather than nurturing a hero, but buff her stealth duration and bring back her old spread. She’s the best Widow counter and that’s all she has to do, just stop letting her torture tank players.
People play games to have fun and for others it's a way to de-stress. Sombra is extremely unfun for a majority of the player base to fight against. If it is overwhelming clear that a specific character is the most hated then there is probably something fundamentally wrong with that character. I am a massive Sombra hater and I genuinely believe she should be nerfed even more until no one ever picks her again.
@OkayyKimi and guess what, im also have a bad health bith physically and mentally, and i can't live without medications. I hope on overwatch to forget my shit life, but guess what, a sadistic sumbra spwoan camp me and only kill me and o cant do a fucking shit about it beacos i cant fucking see her ass and i die in 0.5s, and guess what what happens next, my day is ruined even more and my way to have some fun us no more and i end my day thinking about killing mysilf. Sombra players don't deserve anything good, and i hope the worse for them
"They did their job" *Ok first of all I am of the beliefe that calling people slurs is unacceptable, It is not nice to call people slurs or send death threats. simpley for playing a character they way they were made to play (In this case Sombra)* That being said I agree that Sombras are not generally fun to play against at times and it is especially believe it is not really impossible for another who does not really understand this style of Sombra and take something like that personal. For example It is one thing for a Sombra player to single out supports in a team fight but one has seen times when a sombra waited around spawn or somewhaere far from objective and killed one player and only them the whole match and one can see how that would begin to feel personal. It can feel like that person spacifically chose to hunt that player and only that one player. It is like that player was using Sombras abilities to make anothers gameplay the worst and most miserable experiance ever as oppoed to committing to a play that offers tactical advantages for objective team fights. In reality it is equally risky for that Sombra player cause they affectively remove themself from were they should be. (Closer to the team fight.) For example one has had experiance of Sombra players who who would do this and sometimes they would lose because the enemy Sombra was assentailly playing one v one deathmatch while their team was playing push. TLDR While I did find Sombra somewhat annoying, That never really stopped me from making an effort and finding ways to counter or deal with these situartions. I undestand why many would feel a type of way based on experiances with the character but I also believe that players should not bully or harass others just because they play a character that is not generally fun to play againts. 💛❤🐑
why cant her rework go back to overwatch1? turn invisible whenever I want and phase out whenever I want translocator throw it and leave it or if you hold the throw button you teleport there and EMP can give virus to enemy players and I was thinking for the robot characters when hacked they do like Anas sleep
Sombra is just a bad character having your abilities taken away is never going to feel fair. And getting melted by someone you cant see coming is also BS. Just nerf her into the ground until you can give her a real rework that finds somesort of new niche for her.
As a sombra player the only hate I can understand Is hack that I can understand if there's a ability that says hey you can't play the game for said time or ever that's understandable but the perma invis I feel was not bad sure a few tweaks but could easily be remedy and I love the virus addition added so much expression fun but this re rework was. Bad I'm happy they fix her translocator cool down the only thing I think missing is fixing fluidity cause I know the stealth canceling to go for a kill is a little bit akward
If someone is so bad at the game they need to be invisible and they need abilities that make your opponent unable to play, then that character shouldn't exist.
@OkayyKimi no, my point was that it's not the devs running that independent overwatch facebook group. It's just some passionate overwatch players who like to run a community. The only blizzard endorsed "chat group" is the overwatch forum in the blizzard client.
I honestly feel like ppl just don't know how to play against her Ow1 sombra was so much worse to play against she could dip so easily without any punishment Ow2 sombra felt better to play against and easier to find after teleporting away The thing that was unfair were her cooldowns, they were far too short i have to admit that I started playing her more in ow2 and I never needed to looked at my cooldown because it felt like I always had them But to get back to my point if you stay with your team and look/shoot around you shes pretty useless and it would pretty much be a 5v4 because she cant really do much I love playing dva against her because i can just constantly look for her and focus her when she tries to teleport away with my boost, which resulted in her dying 90% of the time They should have just tweaked her cooldowns and made the nosies when she is near you louder instead of giving her so much damage potential that I think is more annoying to play against and dont get me started on her passive ability to see enemys with low health again i was so glad when that shit was removed 🥲
Someone asked me if I was widow on watchpoint and I can’t find OG comment but yes I was :)
Nothing has changed, she's still super annoying and dumb and takes the fun out of a match but at least doesn't make a match as unbearable as a widowmaker
Shes light work bruh get a torb, brig, D.va. Anybody who can shut down dive shuts down Sombra. Got team rolled on Junk Town and a little torb turret turned Somb into my biatch.
@@therefinedgentleman3671even bastion is a good counter, you can turret mode mid hack and it doesnt hack you outta turret and just melt her
@@therefinedgentleman3671Brig is the best at countering her as she has to unstealth to hack
@@wswann34 fo real
😂 average bronze player
omg the avatar intro 😭
That venture callout was definitely needed lol (also yeah you’re pretty much explained my thoughts about the whole Sombra rework sit)
People only put up with Widowmaker because of her design tbh
I'd rather be flanked (jumped) and have a chance of fighting back than getting one shot across the map
I fear a decent Tracer than any Sombra (this Patch). Tracer is just better with 4 Escapes.
I don't. I consider both awful, unfun, and unfit for the game.
As a support main who played Sombra on DPS, I am unsure how to feel about her getting gutted.
The main problem is they made a flanker character lose its ability to flank by putting her infiltration ability inside her exit ability.
I've been saying since the rework that they should've tied her stealth to her hack. If you're not aiming at an enemy, health pack or turret, then you just hack YOURSELF turning you invisible. Tp can still activate it, that's fine, but having hack be a way to turn invisible would give you more options with different tradeoffs.
That way, it's still a conscious decision you have to make, but without sacrificing your escape tool, it even has a slight audio cue so people know when to be on guard, like her tp. But it lacks the visual cue, because having a visual cue defeats the point of invisibility.
I'm a support player that has Sombra as my most played DPS character since her release with over 2k hours in this game. Sombra was given flack for being underwhelming with her damage output, EMP or hack being seen as weak/useless early on, a healthpack ult battery, and until recently she was seen as especially irritating with the hack+virus combo giving you little time to react and take a large burst of damage paired with some damage over time. The rework made her playstyle shift from a flanker to a team player that relies a little more on others than before and it feels pretty bad, especially with how often every match has a Widowmaker making everyone else miserable and her having a much smaller amount of time to deal with her, especially if she has a tank or supports enabling her even more. Sorry for the rambling, but yeah, a lot of people hate having parts of their kit disabled or stunned or any of that inherently, paired with her perceived unfairness of being able to enable/disengage fights quickly.
Missed opportunity with the intro, you could have used the avatar ost to make it sound more like Avatar
I would’ve but copyright would’ve eaten my ass 😭
@@OkayyKimi 😮💨😮💨I’d take the claim
I would’ve but I already have like two copyright claims and I ain’t tryna get a third 😭
I hate how she not a stealth character anymore
her re-work made me main mercy 💀
Skilless to skilless
I’m really hoping the Sombra drama results in her getting a full rework that makes her healthier. I think she’s in that group of characters who no matter the number tweaks she will never be fun for everyone because she is fundamentally flawed. I get the “skill issue” argument sombra mains keep pushing but even if you “counter” or out skill her who enjoys playing into her? Even the worst sombra’s could make the game hell. Her rework isn’t the best, I do like that it filtered out the sombra players who used infinite invis as a crutch but overall definitely not the way they should have gone about it. I understand wanting to keep her identity alive but what is this like her 6th rework/change clearly something isn’t working. I just hope it this leads to a full rework that will finally make her less hated. The only reason I miss the old sombra is because widow is kinda going crazy now
I like the fact she’s a utility dps
Seems like any character that makes others have to work as a group, change to a different character, or even change their playstyle or look behind themselves makes a lot of people go ballistic. Mei, Mercy, Sombra, etc all got tons of hate. Slurs, comments on no skill. The no skill generally is those people not adapting and wanting to play the same character is the same way all the time.
Honestly, I do not judge Sombra Mains. Mostly cause I've been playing Bastion since Overwatch 1...Sooo I know the suffering
Even if you don't like Sombra, this DE-work is something the community shouldn't let the devs slide on. Now before you flame me,an admittedly former Sombra and former OW player, let me just set the record straight. Sombra mains NEVER WANTED perma invis, yet we catch all the hate for it like we designed it. If you hate Sombra, don't take it out on Sombra mains, take it out on the devs that allowed it to happen in the first place.
Secondly, they removed her entire identity. Imagine how you'd feel if they did this to your main? It's lazy and it's disrespectful of the playerbase.
They did his name is Doomfist lol anyway they just hate her damage she use to be utility pick but now she she is basically Soldier but with a Debuff and hack, it’s not your fault I like the character just hate what they did to her
love the intro :3
WHY IS ZEN CATCHING STRAYS WTF
sombra is fine widow on the other hand >=(
imo better before the rework jsut me tho
I like the rework too but… Wahh I can’t be invisible for 10 years, but they get the 20% off hack again
Best opening to an overwatch rant I’ve ever seen 😂😂😂
Thank you 💕
After I played a bit of the rework I got a strong sense that people would dislike Sombra just the same if not more (alongside Sombra just being clunkier to play and less fluid). Perma invis definitely should not be in the game, but I think what most people complain about is her virus combo that "one shots" squishies if properly set up. And of course with the rework, TTK is even faster with virus combo, it's just that the setup for it takes a lot longer and she is easier to flush out
She's still able to destroy backline if you got a good Sombra player
I main support. I play mercy and/or kiriko if the other pick mercy. The thing is sombra. I balanced it out by maining so bro TOO. I play most support, but when I play damage, I play sombra. When I do that I just understand what the other sombra think. That way it’s not annoying or frustrating, it’s just… logical. Btw, I like the rework. The damage boost is a lot better and stronger.
This sombra hate is exactly why i didn’t main her from overwatch 1 and I wanted to but the hate just turned it off for me , i like the character i think she’s interesting as a hacker considering im an in IT so yeah the hate is annoying towards the players chill out , take a break from the game even or something because the things I’ve seen online is ridiculous
Goodness, that intro was hilarious
Thank you 🫡
Can you do a video on the stupid Moira vs Genji rivalry
👀 my sister mains genji so it’ll be funny to see her reaction to this kek
I'm a support main who plays Sombra as my main DPS, and I'm just sad that the hero i fell in love with is gone. Idc about her being underpowered, i just want my hero again.
I've always found her fun to play against pre-virus. Its cool to try and outsmart Sombra, especially as someone who plays her myself.
the problem is people just dont want to change their hero thats why they complain . just go moira / LW / Phara / Winston / Diva it wasn't that hard to fight her
I dont even recall her getting as much hate early on when she was more the setup for team dos support hybrid...
The real hate feels like it started when blizzard buffed her assassinnplaystyle and esspecially once virus was added
This guy watched Relf
@therefinedgentleman3671
No, but i played since shortly after we got Ana so i was there when Sombra launched, just stating my personal observations
Maybe it depends on your rank 🤔 when I played on console to plat to diamond servers I mostly got hate mail 🫡 and that was around 2018-2019 tbh I don’t think I played her at launch so that I’m not sure
@OkayyKimi
Cant remember which season Sombra came out but i I hit diamond on pc in like S6 back then and stayed there for all of the remainder of ow1 (low to mid diamond) and i mained Mercy/Zen.
I remember matches where i absolutelyd raged at Genji, at Tracer... literally cant even remember any issues with Sombra before coming back to OW2 in April
@@VayreenaVulpera nah its just what he was saying more utility/strategy with her kit and less assassination. However I prefer this dive the backline, hit the skill shot, and then tping tf out.
All they had to do was get rid of permanent invis and make hack a skill shot. ❤ u and ur content
But not everything needs to be a skill shot that just makes her even more like Soldier 76. Which is boring
Are people still complaining about the ability lockout? Bc 1 sec of ability lockout is not worth mentioning. Like lucio can jump into the void (so he would then wall ride around and escape your team that way) and you hack him and then he just keep wallriding like nothing happened. The only reason to hack someone now is either to disable their ult (and yes while that seems bad keep in mind that a specific support can also make ults useless + save teammates when they clearly made a mistake + other stuff with that same ability) or to get that damage boost (so you now deal about the same damage as soldier 67).
People are still complaining about playing against her even though she is in a terrible state 💀
I’m surprised people are still complaining 🗿 imo she’s not like as annoying as before or even that strong
Huh, guess Blizzard really wants to get any remaining fans to quit huh?
i buy overwatch in 2016 because of sombra i love her design
when one of the less powerfulls heroes gets this much hate, u know community is stupid.
Well majority of the community is lower rank players so to them Sombra is broken. They still think Mauga is broken.
But regardless, yeah this community is stupid lol.
@@swerve589 the thing is, why nobody is talking about Pharah, no damage fall off, no aim required, free move in XYZ, high damage per shot and to armor, a great knockback in E, a ultimate that can clear targets easy and still a 225 hp character with a small hitbox.
@@liucanthewhitewolf1198 Well like I mentioned. Majority of the community is lower ranks. Silver-plat to be exact. As someone who’s been in those ranks, on console as well, Pharah is easier to counter in those ranks compared to a Sombra. And I was a terrible hit scan too might I add. It’s just a majority thing. I hear more lower ranks complain about Junkrat, Venture, and Mauga for example being broken but meanwhile I hear the higher players consider them bad.
@@swerve589 in my games in quickplay, if there is a pharah is gg most of the time, and if its has a mercy is over. In ranked is less annoying since people want to win at all cost but still a menace, while i never see sombra. I am at gold 3/2 in all roles. She always gets picked when the game is hard for them, that is no coincidence.
Personally coming from MOBAs where multiple characters have silence and stealth abilities and it is not complained about anywhere as much as Sombra I think you are right.
People are just super dramatic about her, ever since i joined back in season 9 it's always been complaining about something even if it was a good thing they complain to complain, doesn't help content creators either excuse the behavior or endorse it. I've seen creators say that $40 for a weapon skin is ok or that $60 for a skin pack is totally fine. Idk but the overwatch community needs to learn that theor opinions and experiences alone aren't the only things taken into account there's other players that exist and Sombras changes are a great thing
I’ve complained about that weapon skin pack before and no that shit is a S C A M
She got gutted ability wise but they buffed her dmg through the roof and shortened translocator cooldown in response to backlash. By doing this they removed a large majority of the skill expression that was available in her and made her even more frustrating to play against because now you can just hack someone while invis, virus them and translocate away and leave that person at like 75 health without hitting a single bullet.
I just hate the fact that they gutted her but then backtracked by giving her near infinite invis anyway with translocator getting a shorter cooldown, it feels like this whole thing is just another excuse to buff her dmg again.
Honestly, every time they touch Sombra it’s a nerf to her abilities and a dmg buff and I kinda hate that.
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Of course It’s wrong to call any player a Slur, but that doesn’t change the fact that Sombra is all around just a bad character.
Conceptually a hacker shouldn’t do so much damage just with her weapon, she should have more skills that help her with the damage ecc. also she has too much escape capabilities, everyone can escape a fight but for Sombra is so easy that a sombra player doesn’t have to be afraid of going into a fight alone and that’s just a bad mechanic. Finally, sombra is a character that works alone in a game made to be played in group and made to have team dynamics
I like the sombra changes ngl. It feels nicer to play than how she was before. If you main sombra, cool. If you main junkrat i absolutely hate you.
Same I mean I feel as though I’m in the not so popular category I think maybe cause it reminds me of ow1 sombra and I prefer that version of her kit rather than infinite invis
@@OkayyKimi agreed. I mained her back in ow1 when i first picked up the game. The rework feels so nostalgic and i really think if played correctly she can be just as impactful and scary as she was with perma invis
At the sake of being flamed, I like this version of Sombra more than the other ones, it’s less safe sure, but I feel like I get more kills, not sure if that’s what people are upset about 🤷♀️
I think it’s just a huge change to her original kit, I feel like if you played ow 1 as sombra you’re probably more used to it and not mind it as much
I personally do like the changes but I can see why other sombra players would dislike it
LOL love the intro! I have a lot to say.
Sombra is indeed fundamentally annoying to play against...not overpowered, just annoying. To be debuffed will never "feel good," but it is very strange that the community (myself included) has such a strong dislike for getting hacked, when in actuality it's FAR less oppressive than Ana's grenade or sleep dart. Seriously, how is preventing all healing and *preventing all possible movement* LESS hated than taking a slight damage increase from Sombra? Or how MEI USED TO FREEZE YOU IN PLACE WITH HER PRIMARY FIRE???
The worst part about Sombra imo is the frequency of Hack and her ease of doing it. When she was able to perpetually stay invisible behind your team and constantly harass you? Yeah, that shit sucked. Infinite invisibility is fine in a crazy wacky shooter like TF2, but Overwatch is much more focused and refined, which makes Sombra's unique threat very annoying. Not to mention Hack is literally auto-targeting. These things combined make her have so little risk to play, but give so much dread to her targets.
Personally...I want another rework, but I have very specific ideas. Instead of fusing Trans and Stealth, make them their own unique abilities again. Stealth should not be infinite, it should either be on a static cooldown like in OW1, or possibly have a resource meter like Dva's matrix. (I don't know if that would still be oppressive to fight against or not, I'd need to see some playtesting.)
And most of all: *fuse Virus and Hack* instead of Stealth and Translocator. If you tap the button, you get just Virus (initial damage + gradual damage), but if you hold the button, you slowly charging up the Virus to give it Hack's properties as well (double damage received from Sombra and an interrupt of your abilities). I like landing Virus at long ranges, but think Hack is far too easy and riskless to use. This would make Hack an actual skillshot and be risky to use up close. As well, it's a bit redundant to make the player dump two entire abilities on a critical target when you could just use the tap/hold idea to make it take as much time to apply but with less buttons.
Maybe the idea is dogshit, but I very recently realized I actually *really* like playing Sombra, and want her to feel good for everyone involved.
When she was added, every thought she super over hyped and lame.
You know...i strangely enough never had a problem with Sombra, the only character in the game i will always talk absolute shit about it Moira. Sombra's awesome, one of my friends mains Sombra and i main Lucio, i always flank together with him. The only trash character in the game imo is Moira and i will die on that hill.
Don't believe anyone who says Sombra takes no skill because the only people who has a hard time playing against her are usually those who don't know how to deal with her.
Because we try play Samba against people who know how to deal with her they will take you out before you have a chance to finish hacking much less take out at Target
Sombra was a good counter to a lot of hero's I can't tell you how many times I force players to get off Widow lifeweaver if you play her right you can counter Genji Pharah now they made her hard to counter those same hero's depend what map you on those same hero's can run the map with out a counter. When I play Sombra I use her ults to cancel out others now some of them she can't counter anymore like tree of life witch I don't get since it's energy base and she a hacker so she should be able to counter it but can't anymore it's like they hack a hacker.
honestly the rework isnt that bad its really a buff if you think about it
the only difference is the ability lock out if you cancel stealth too soon
if you virus someone just before it runs out, you have a second or 2 to get a kill and get out
like legit the only bad thing is that shes just clunkier to play as you have to play around the timer
She's not weak i hate people who say that just bc shes clunky now
My problem with sombra was her huge damage thanks to virus, since they didn’t nerf her damage I still dislike her, they made her less fluid and fun to play as, but keep the delete damage she has, literally autplay sombra every day as Ana or junkrat, still the same for me, just made her less useful. Also her hack was only felt a problem on ow2 thanks to have 1 tank. I didn’t bother the infinit invis, I do bother get a hog one shot combo level on a infinit invis hero with high mobility and skinny hit box wile shooting like a mix of tracer and solder 76
Been maining sombra since release and I won’t abandon her now
🫡 Godspeed solider
They swapped her dynamic from a support DPS, a Pick DPS, to now Sombra 76.
I don’t mind switching utility heroes into DPS, Torb and Sym were great examples. But her lower DPS combined with EMP was what made her balanced and unique.
In my honest opinion, make her hack as a debuff rather than nurturing a hero, but buff her stealth duration and bring back her old spread. She’s the best Widow counter and that’s all she has to do, just stop letting her torture tank players.
It should have been DPS, Support, Defense, and Tank at the start but other than that the video is great.
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People play games to have fun and for others it's a way to de-stress. Sombra is extremely unfun for a majority of the player base to fight against. If it is overwhelming clear that a specific character is the most hated then there is probably something fundamentally wrong with that character. I am a massive Sombra hater and I genuinely believe she should be nerfed even more until no one ever picks her again.
I wish for sombra, and the sombra designer and sombra players a very bad day every day.
😢 I’m taking organic chemistry rn everyday is a bad day
@OkayyKimi and guess what, im also have a bad health bith physically and mentally, and i can't live without medications.
I hope on overwatch to forget my shit life, but guess what, a sadistic sumbra spwoan camp me and only kill me and o cant do a fucking shit about it beacos i cant fucking see her ass and i die in 0.5s, and guess what what happens next, my day is ruined even more and my way to have some fun us no more and i end my day thinking about killing mysilf.
Sombra players don't deserve anything good, and i hope the worse for them
I disagree with the rework she was fine in OW1 heck I say she should be a support, I do agree she is basically 76 with the damage boost
I got called gay slurs by some Arabs. 😭
"They did their job"
*Ok first of all I am of the beliefe that calling people slurs is unacceptable, It is not nice to call people slurs or send death threats. simpley for playing a character they way they were made to play (In this case Sombra)*
That being said
I agree that Sombras are not generally fun to play against at times and it is especially believe it is not really impossible for another who does not really understand this style of Sombra and take something like that personal.
For example
It is one thing for a Sombra player to single out supports in a team fight but one has seen times when a sombra waited around spawn or somewhaere far from objective and killed one player and only them the whole match and one can see how that would begin to feel personal. It can feel like that person spacifically chose to hunt that player and only that one player. It is like that player was using Sombras abilities to make anothers gameplay the worst and most miserable experiance ever as oppoed to committing to a play that offers tactical advantages for objective team fights.
In reality it is equally risky for that Sombra player cause they affectively remove themself from were they should be. (Closer to the team fight.)
For example one has had experiance of Sombra players who who would do this and sometimes they would lose because the enemy Sombra was assentailly playing one v one deathmatch while their team was playing push.
TLDR
While I did find Sombra somewhat annoying, That never really stopped me from making an effort and finding ways to counter or deal with these situartions. I undestand why many would feel a type of way based on experiances with the character but I also believe that players should not bully or harass others just because they play a character that is not generally fun to play againts.
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Well this rework sucks, maybe 6th time's the charm
Sorry you can't stay invisible permanently anymore😢😢😢😢
i don’t think sombra gets ENOUGH HATE personally
why cant her rework go back to overwatch1? turn invisible whenever I want and phase out whenever I want translocator throw it and leave it or if you hold the throw button you teleport there and EMP can give virus to enemy players and I was thinking for the robot characters when hacked they do like Anas sleep
Sombra is just a bad character having your abilities taken away is never going to feel fair. And getting melted by someone you cant see coming is also BS. Just nerf her into the ground until you can give her a real rework that finds somesort of new niche for her.
As a sombra player the only hate I can understand Is hack that I can understand if there's a ability that says hey you can't play the game for said time or ever that's understandable but the perma invis I feel was not bad sure a few tweaks but could easily be remedy and I love the virus addition added so much expression fun but this re rework was. Bad I'm happy they fix her translocator cool down the only thing I think missing is fixing fluidity cause I know the stealth canceling to go for a kill is a little bit akward
If someone is so bad at the game they need to be invisible and they need abilities that make your opponent unable to play, then that character shouldn't exist.
Imagine being so bad that you play a game with abilitys outside of raw damage🙄
Hack only feels bs because I never see Sombra
Ah yes, the filthy DEVS cencoring sombra hate in the "overwatch women" facebook group.
I didn’t complain about that 🗿 good on them for censoring it must’ve taken them ages
@OkayyKimi no, my point was that it's not the devs running that independent overwatch facebook group. It's just some passionate overwatch players who like to run a community. The only blizzard endorsed "chat group" is the overwatch forum in the blizzard client.
sombra is the devil
A boouga 👻
Womp womp sombra players HAWK TUAH!
I honestly feel like ppl just don't know how to play against her
Ow1 sombra was so much worse to play against she could dip so easily without any punishment
Ow2 sombra felt better to play against and easier to find after teleporting away
The thing that was unfair were her cooldowns, they were far too short i have to admit that
I started playing her more in ow2 and I never needed to looked at my cooldown because it felt like I always had them
But to get back to my point if you stay with your team and look/shoot around you shes pretty useless and it would pretty much be a 5v4 because she cant really do much
I love playing dva against her because i can just constantly look for her and focus her when she tries to teleport away with my boost, which resulted in her dying 90% of the time
They should have just tweaked her cooldowns and made the nosies when she is near you louder instead of giving her so much damage potential that I think is more annoying to play against and dont get me started on her passive ability to see enemys with low health again i was so glad when that shit was removed 🥲