I will say that I do see Marvel Rivals as a wake up call for Blizzard since they needed some good competition for a long time, but you shouldn’t be getting bullied/harassed just for playing a game you enjoy. At the end of the day you’re still free to play whatever game you want.
I hope both games do well. Competition is healthy. The people who talk more about the "other game" than the one they play themselves are weird. Edit: This happens with CS and VALORANT too. Though in that I feel like it's significantly more the CS players being mad that VALORANT has "Copied" their game. Same situation but I don't know how the distribution is for OW/Rivals players on which game has more of those idiots. Also... 14:20... hampter get evaporated.
85% of the negativity and toxicity is MR players to OW and OW players. Its not an equal back and forth. MR players are incapable of enjoying their own game without mentioning OW every 5 minutes when talking about Rivals.
The hate of ow players for marvel rivals: Here's my take, a majority of the blame is to be directed at the ow creators, some of them would blatantly bash on rivals at first cus they didnt want to lose their viewers (their source of income) to rivals streamers. Second, ow players have been putting up with blizzard's antics for so long that they've forgotten what they were supposed to be granted in the first place, so when rivals gets introduced with all these player friendly features and content, ow players will feel like their wait for blizzard to eventually step up was all for nothing. Third, ranked, some competitive players were hesitant to try out rivals (including myself) since they could only really focus on one competitive shooter
Dude. This is so uninformed. What antics have blizzard had recently?? They’ve done nothing but appeal to the players through balance and game modes Ow creators like samito , flats, ZBRA, spilo, Freedo, arvl, jay 3, emongg, eskay, and so many more love the game. If anything it’s the exact opposite. It’s rivals players always mentioning, comparing and sh1ting on overwatch
@@brycenb2994 there's no way you're not a dev, have you seen the most recent balance patch? They clearly had no idea what they were doing with the balance of ow since forever. And what game modes? The nostalgia bait of ow classic? The Halloween mode that had hero "mutations" which are basically a fraction of the pvp elements we were promised with the release of ow 2? And the 6v6 playtest (only a qp version btw) which is how the game format should've been in THE FIRST PLACE?
@@brycenb2994 of course creators love it, in fact they love it more than us casuals since they've been stuck streaming ow and only ow for so long, but there were some creators who called it a mobile game and said that rivals would flop, funny thing is some of these creators ended up giving rivals a try
@@brycenb2994 see, the majority of rivals players were either A) ow players who were introduced to the game later on (5v5 Era), B) really small portion of players from other shooter games, and C) (where the majority of the hate stems from) ow players who got sick of blizzard's shenanigans and quit long ago, but still had that itch to play a shooter similar to ow, that's why they're on every ow social media platform telling the remaining players to leave the game for rivals
Its a poorly worded phrase. Its meant to be understood as; "you cant eat your cake, and still have the whole cake left over." I think something like "you cant clean your plate, and expect it to stay full," or "you can't drink without ending with an empty glass," would serve the sentiment better.
large part of it is people wanting to act all high and mighty about being right and having to rub it in everyone else's faces. For me, there was a time I genuinely enjoyed ow, when I was playing with my friends, but my friend got unfairly banned (because the ow community support team is horrible) and I've just been playing if there's some new shiny cosmetics I can earn, I realized that and I just don't think I can enjoy it alone, like I can for Rivals. Stay strong everyone! Have fun playing whatever you want!
As a player and fan of both franchises, Marvel Rivals just does a lot of things so much better than Overwatch. It feels like a breath of fresh air playing Rivals
@@brycenb2994balance changes,skins,move sets,ranked system,pricing, game modes, and they actually care about their community. Those are just a couple of things, if I had time I could probably think of more
As someone who has 90% switched over to marvel rivals I cant understand why people think you cant enjoy both games. I think both games fulfill a different purpose, a different itch. I love Overwatch for their original characters characters (despite the obvious favorites) and every now and then Ill open OW to play some echo, her gameplay style is just so fun and MR could honestly never replicate that for me. Same thing for Jeff, OW could never replicate the gameplay of Jeff. While I find myself preferring MR you cant deny that OW has things that MR doesn't and will keep me coming back every once in awhile
As someone who's played a lot of OW and some of MR, nothing has taken me out of MR more than just how the community acts. Its like the worst parts of the OW community joined MR and everyone is just super okay with how they talk to people. Even outside the game on youtube or tiktok all the comments on anything MR related is just people hating on OW. And it's super annoying because a lot of the OW community is vocal and really excited for a competitor to force blizzard to change up how they work the game and make it better. And instead of engaging with that MR players act like everyone who still plays OW are braindead children. Its just frustrating because its like MR cant form thier own identity seperate from OW due to this anger and want to PROVE its better than OW. I'm not touching Rivals again for a long time. I had about 5 games in a row on MR where there was some form of "go back to OW" said by someone and I'm just over it. It's a shame to because the game is SO FUN without the community being so angry.
The only reason I say that I hope Marvel Rivals kills overwatch is because I hope that Marvel Rivals brings enough competition to make Blizzard actually change their game for the better
Literally just like most of these online titles both Overwatch and Rivals are gonna have their own good amount of players and in a few months later nobody will even care. Overwatch will be in its corner chillin and Rivals will be in its own corner chillin with each their own playerbase literally nothing will even happened
To reference flats, marvel rivals is in its Honeymoon phase being the hot new game at the moment. With time, the smoke will blow over and we can all go back to some sense of balance.
I legit tell people to play whatever you want, I personally love Marvel Rivals it fulfills what OW use to do for me hopefully when Classic comes back I can enjoy it again but again just play whatever you want
"Traitor's these who tries run away from playing masterpiece such as OW2, Jeff Kaplan died for you, and this how you want to repay? by not Supporting Blizzard when they finally stated making skins free and for Venture" Woman if you are rich and need trophy husband to peg, call me any day
Im an OW fan, who was not happy with OW2; and looked forward to Marvel Rivals. I like both games. I have my complaints with OW, being a long time fan; but both games have immense potential to be great. The anger with Blizzard is a bit understandable, but should be directed at Blizzard, not fellow gamers.
Both games are equally good. Rivals is more fast paced and OW feels more like a coordinated game. I play BOTH shocking I know. People act like you can’t play both. The people who switched to rivals and deleted OW ONLY played OW which is what they will do with rivals. They’re going to burn themselves out. They could be like us giga chads who know it is possible to play multiple games and enjoy both. Rivals players are extremely toxic and OBSESSED with talking about OW it’s kinda concerning. I don’t hear OW players calling rivals shit cause they mind their own business. Rivals players are over hyping the game. Sure it’s good but not a literal gift from god they make it out to be. They shit on OW and call it a cash grab even though both games sell a shit ton of skins so it’s super hypocritical. you are capable of playing and enjoying multiple games but most people don’t seem to know that
You can play whatever game you want and if you have fun on it good for you, But saying ow is as equally good as mr is a big lie. sure you can enjoy yourself, and sure it’s probably a lot more peaceful now that a lot of the toxic players left, but blizzard has made some bad decisions for this game For me, I got tired of having to play the same 3 characters just bc the rest are so underwhelming, on the other hand in mr you can play ANY character and have the most fun of your entire life(well maybe that’s just me) And also netease knows what the players want and actually does them,and aren’t very greedy. It’s also being hyped up so much bc people get to play a game that’s actually enjoyable to play, and when your not playing comp it doesn’t feel like your playing in comp. Now I don’t understand why people bash on the few ow players left
Basically all players that had issues with ow now have new weapon to criticise ow even harder. And you know what? I don't know these chinese guys but i sure do know that they didn't: 1) promised pve campaign with unique abilities system 2) Tried to deliver it for 4 years and Left ow to rot because of that 3) and in the end said "we don't have plans for pve campaign anymore. So ye, blizzard digged very deep grave for very long time, eventually facing all this hate of players that tired of sitting in that grave. - People for ages like Freedo cried for ban system in ranked. Guess what - rivals has it. - a lot of tanks cried for bringing 6v6 back. Guess what - rivals has it. - some og players missed pre role lock days - rivals has it as well. So that's it, everything people wanted in overwatch, rivals delivered them. For me personally, i prefer quick plays without role locks. Better have third dps than moira in my team every single match. And i ran away from ow to space marine 2, because 40 euros for a skin hurted my broky feelings too much...
The thing is, Marvel Rivals' players are OBSESSED with Overwatch. It's so f weird, like... just play your game and don't bother others. It's NOT that difficult. We all know Marvel Rivals is going to fall off eventually, and then what? Are people going to hate the game (and the devs) by then? Most likely. It's such a content farming hype train game it's embarassing 😂 The game is fun, but the content creators will 100% kill it, since all they do is slander other IPs. They are so desperate, that a "normal" and "regular" video of Marvel Rivals, be it montage, showcase, commentary or gameplay, ALL have to mention the word "Overwatch" (usually insulting the game)... They do this just for the sake of being annoying and disrespecting other communities for no reason...
Oh please lets not do this. "Both sides are bad" or "Let's enjoy both cakes" Let's not sit here like OverWatch hasn't been underperforming on all marks False promises, lack of respect for the customers, and just overall downgrading the game with bs patches OverWatch 2 is nothing more than a glorified graphics update with bs monetization so bad fans preferred loot boxes, especially with the heroes they tried paywalling with the BattlePass Why would I cheer for a company that treated their playerbase like garbage, made promises that were never even kept,and the game becoming less in quality in terms of content and enjoyment in comparison to OW1 and its now Competitor Marvel Rivals People who stick to OverWatch 2 are akin to people with Stockholm Syndrome hoping that the game that burnt them time and time somehow wakes up and "be better" like it promised many times before
Yes, we absolutely can enjoy both cakes. Because while you sit there and continue to bash the game, which- while I do agree that it's been underperforming; it also has done a LOT better lately. You cant blame the game, they game is this way because the suits at the top said so. That's disrespectful to all the hard working, loving devs that put their heart and soul into the game. They have plenty of respect for their player base. The suits dont. You need to realise that not everyone is out to get you bro. It's a simple corporate greed tactic to pay wall things. The devs can't do shit about it, and likely won't be able to do much for a while. They've done the steps they can take in the right direction. But reverting it all would get them all swiftly fired and replaced by a new team that has no idea what to do with the game. Bobby and the suits are the biggest reason the devs weren't communicative enough and the game turned out to be very greedy. I'm sorry. But you need to learn to grow up and stop insulting overwatch fans, telling them that they have "Stockholm syndrome" What happened to all you people, seriously? The reason we stick to overwatch is for the characters, the world, the lore- all of it. Tell us that we're all stupid for it all you want. But I am a firm believer in "don't take the world for how it is, believe in what it could be". Which is, if you all remember. The whole reason we joined the overwatch community in the first place. Overwatch is a place where all can fantasize about a world not so dissimilar to their own in which fighting the good fight is possible, even if disencouraged by corruption like today. Im not a superhero fan, marvel rivals- while quite fun, definitely one of my favorite games- just does not have the pull that overwatch does for me. Nobody is super in real life, everyone in overwatch has gone through pain, suffering, character development, all to not only gain their powers, but to hone them and become the warriors they wanted to be. Superheroes, while some have gone through pain and suffering, have mostly come off unscathed from it. Heroes in overwatch have reasons for fighting, other than "for good" like most superheroes do. Who in real life is amazing at something without training? Nobody. Overwatch agents had to train and hone their craft. Superheroes don't. They just are. Now I'm not saying that marvel rivals is worse. I'm saying the reason overwatch fans stick to overwatch is because we want to be related to. It's hard living in the real world. And if we can fight for a reason, fight for what's right. Even if we have to go through pain and suffering- we will. Luigi mangione is a PRIME example of overwatch's core philosophy. Reminds me exactly of the retribution archives event. If that CEO was just arrested, what would happen? He'd get out scott free. Luigi mangione is literally the life equivalent of Gabriel Reyes right now. He imagined the world for what it could be. And even if he did something wrong to do it, it's for a good reason. And it's for the greater good of the people. And for better Healthcare for all. Is that not what a prime example of an overwatch agent is? You dont see any superheroes apart from the occasional rare one who kills the corruption in our lives. That's the difference between marvel rivals and overwatch. Marvel rivals is about a fictional world with fictional stories and fictional people. Overwatch is a story about humanity, what it means to do good, and what it means to be a hero. Two very different games. Two very different meanings. Yes we can and will enjoy both our cakes and eat them too. Good day.
@DrGST "Growing up" is realizing the game that, like beforehand, is not being respected by it own company and Devs No amount of your emotional sentiment is gonna change what OverWatch became and will be soon Your entire "essay" boils down to pure emotion when my original post explains the reality of the situation and the inevitable of why people are leaving very simple
@yung_1174 If you actually read my post, you would realise that the devs DO respect the game. And are trying their hardest to bring it back. Team 4, the overwatch devs, 70% of their team was laid off. They don't have much left. Its due to the shenanigans bobby and his cronies pulled that this happened. Saying "it's simply reality" while insulting people by saying they have Stockholm syndrome is quite rude and pretty emotional of you to say tbh. Im stating why some don't like marvel rivals, why some do, and why some like both, and vice versa. It's not an emotional argument. It is simply saying that those who believe in overwatch's message are not going to just switch to marvel rivals, and we don't have Stockholm syndrome. We just either don't like superhero stuff. Or we believe the message of overwatch, regardless of the current state of it. Believe it or not, but "growing up" is realizing that the art can be appreciated without endorsing the artist
@DrGST if that was the case, the game would be in a better state than what it is I'm sorry if critique is somehow disrespectful, but the game is not great, simple even before the layoffs And yes, you are using an emotional argument, buddy
@yung_1174 I never said critique was disrespectful. I said telling people that they have Stockholm syndrome because god forbid they dare to like a game you dont is disrespectful Have you not seen the countless times the devs listened to the community? Have you not seen them listen to creators on what needs to happen? This is a whole new dev team? The team from overwatch 1 is also the team that created overwatch 2 weirdo. That team isnt around anymore. The new team has tried. Are they good at it yet? No. But atleast they're trying. Im simply stating the fact that the reason people like overwatch is because they like the characters more, among other things. Insulting people and talking down to them by calling them buddy- you do realise that only also makes your argument emotional too, right? Cause if you were actually trying to refuse evidence with evidence, you wouldn't need to be name calling and talking down to people
She speaks nothing but facts, honestly... My friend who hasn't even played the game and can't even play it is already saying how OW is trash and Rivals is better, and it makes me not wanna play it now. Like genuinely, the game looks fun and cool, and I'd wanna try, but now that people wanna insult me for wanting to play OW and stuff, it makes me not wanna join MR now. Like all the creators I watched for OW for rants and stuff, it makes me wanna unfollow them, too, cause they keep shoving this agenda. Even though they spent MANY hours on OW, they switch to MR and just completely insult OW, and I (personally) can't vibe with that. You can play MR all you want, I genuinely don't care. Just don't be a jerk about it. **Sigh** Also, I'm tired of doomscrolling too, and seeing videos, posts, etc, about OW dying... People act like new people aren't gonna find their way to play OW... Or ain't have a loyal fanbase already. Just have fun and stop the wars 😭🙏🏻
Both sides annoying af with the comparisons and toxicity. I have no intention of playing rivals but I dont tell anyone to not play that shit or call people who play it a traitor. I just enjoy the memes and the arguments from afar
To all those that are bashing overwatch players for "having stockholm syndrome" or just generally thinking overwatch is terrible, read below; Yes, we absolutely can enjoy both cakes. Because while you sit there and continue to bash the game, which- while I do agree that it's been underperforming; it also has done a LOT better lately. You cant blame the game, they game is this way because the suits at the top said so. That's disrespectful to all the hard working, loving devs that put their heart and soul into the game. They have plenty of respect for their player base. The suits dont. You need to realise that not everyone is out to get you bro. It's a simple corporate greed tactic to pay wall things. The devs can't do shit about it, and likely won't be able to do much for a while. They've done the steps they can take in the right direction. But reverting it all would get them all swiftly fired and replaced by a new team that has no idea what to do with the game. Bobby and the suits are the biggest reason the devs weren't communicative enough and the game turned out to be very greedy. I'm sorry. But you need to learn to grow up and stop insulting overwatch fans, telling them that they have "Stockholm syndrome" What happened to all you people, seriously? The reason we stick to overwatch is for the characters, the world, the lore- all of it. Tell us that we're all stupid for it all you want. But I am a firm believer in "don't take the world for how it is, believe in what it could be". Which is, if you all remember. The whole reason we joined the overwatch community in the first place. Overwatch is a place where all can fantasize about a world not so dissimilar to their own in which fighting the good fight is possible, even if disencouraged by corruption like today. Im not a superhero fan, marvel rivals- while quite fun, definitely one of my favorite games- just does not have the pull that overwatch does for me. Nobody is super in real life, everyone in overwatch has gone through pain, suffering, character development, all to not only gain their powers, but to hone them and become the warriors they wanted to be. Superheroes, while some have gone through pain and suffering, have mostly come off unscathed from it. Heroes in overwatch have reasons for fighting, other than "for good" like most superheroes do. Who in real life is amazing at something without training? Nobody. Overwatch agents had to train and hone their craft. Superheroes don't. They just are. Now I'm not saying that marvel rivals is worse. I'm saying the reason overwatch fans stick to overwatch is because we want to be related to. It's hard living in the real world. And if we can fight for a reason, fight for what's right. Even if we have to go through pain and suffering- we will. Luigi mangione is a PRIME example of overwatch's core philosophy. Reminds me exactly of the retribution archives event. If that CEO was just arrested, what would happen? He'd get out scott free. Luigi mangione is literally the life equivalent of Gabriel Reyes right now. He imagined the world for what it could be. And even if he did something wrong to do it, it's for a good reason. And it's for the greater good of the people. And for better Healthcare for all. Is that not what a prime example of an overwatch agent is? You dont see any superheroes apart from the occasional rare one who kills the corruption in our lives. That's the difference between marvel rivals and overwatch. Marvel rivals is about a fictional world with fictional stories and fictional people. Overwatch is a story about humanity, what it means to do good, and what it means to be a hero. Two very different games. Two very different meanings. Yes we can and will enjoy both our cakes and eat them too. Good day.
I love both Overwatch and Marvel, but I'm shocked people love Rivals so much. It feels/looks like a mobile game. It's slow, stiff, floaty, and the characters don't feel nearly as deep. It has like 3 maps and the skin prices aren't much cheaper. I'm so confused why people are praising it as "the Overwatch killer" when it's basically the same damn game with less content. (Also it committed the same sin of making most their roster damage/duelist heroes...lol.) I will say, however, that Rivals seems less dependant on roles. I usually only see 1 vanguard and 1 strategist (usually me) and 4 duelists, and yet the matches seem to function just fine. In Overwatch, that team comp would crumble. That's the single aspect I think Rivals has over Overwatch, it's easier to get into and more casual, which I suspect is why it has so many players. Imo, the love for Rivals isn't love for Rivals. It's just a bunch of bitter ex-girlfriends trying to make Blizzard feel jealous with their rebound lol. I get it, Blizzard sucks and OW2 has had a rough run, but the devs have also been consistently improving things (more free currency, free heroes, reworked competitive, bringing back on-fire, even several free skins the past few events). I still like Overwatch because I don't take it too seriously. All the people screaming Overwatch is dead (even though it still has players and is still updating...) are so embarrassing. It's just a game. Both can exist, and I want both to succeed. I don't want either to have to fail. ...But Overwatch is better ;)
Here's what I have to say if overwatch was not here then the game Marvel Rivals would not be here at all. I mean marvel rivals copycat overwatch if I'm being honest. Plus I'd play marvel rivals but it feels like I'm playing overwatch Despite being a different game it still has the same thing overwatch has because the characters from marvel rivals are literally like characters from Overwatch. For example:winter soldier is like Cole cassidy, psychic if I'm saying her name right is like sombra, that woman with the ice is like Mei and I forgot her name but she's the one who almost beat Thanos with iron man,spider-man, daxx, Dr strange and star lord. She is like zen.
I’ve been playing both games ow is better overall but it feels weird how all the hype for marvel rivals is just ow doomers when it should just be enjoying the new game rather than blind hate but idk definitely makes me feel like not 100 percent ditching ow with how a lot of the marvel rivals only players see ow
oh man, this really takes me back to overwatch release where the tf2 community hated and called heroes copies of tf2 classes.
I have only one thing to say:
Don't mess with the amazing Spider-Man! 🕸🕸🕷🕸🕸
That's definitely a hot take soooo...
GONNA GET STICKY!
I will say that I do see Marvel Rivals as a wake up call for Blizzard since they needed some good competition for a long time, but you shouldn’t be getting bullied/harassed just for playing a game you enjoy. At the end of the day you’re still free to play whatever game you want.
Nice pfp
Yeah I didn't really like OW because of its reputation and I didn't really like the character design but the game itself was fun and I enjoyed playing
I hope both games do well. Competition is healthy. The people who talk more about the "other game" than the one they play themselves are weird.
Edit: This happens with CS and VALORANT too. Though in that I feel like it's significantly more the CS players being mad that VALORANT has "Copied" their game. Same situation but I don't know how the distribution is for OW/Rivals players on which game has more of those idiots.
Also... 14:20... hampter get evaporated.
I agree tho competition is good! Hopefully it’ll help them both thrive! That’s what I’m hoping for at least
bro OW has been around since 2015... Give the new game its time.
85% of the negativity and toxicity is MR players to OW and OW players.
Its not an equal back and forth. MR players are incapable of enjoying their own game without mentioning OW every 5 minutes when talking about Rivals.
For real!! They are so obsessed with Overwatch it’s actually concerning
The hate of ow players for marvel rivals: Here's my take, a majority of the blame is to be directed at the ow creators, some of them would blatantly bash on rivals at first cus they didnt want to lose their viewers (their source of income) to rivals streamers. Second, ow players have been putting up with blizzard's antics for so long that they've forgotten what they were supposed to be granted in the first place, so when rivals gets introduced with all these player friendly features and content, ow players will feel like their wait for blizzard to eventually step up was all for nothing. Third, ranked, some competitive players were hesitant to try out rivals (including myself) since they could only really focus on one competitive shooter
Dude. This is so uninformed. What antics have blizzard had recently?? They’ve done nothing but appeal to the players through balance and game modes
Ow creators like samito , flats, ZBRA, spilo, Freedo, arvl, jay 3, emongg, eskay, and so many more love the game.
If anything it’s the exact opposite. It’s rivals players always mentioning, comparing and sh1ting on overwatch
@@brycenb2994 there's no way you're not a dev, have you seen the most recent balance patch? They clearly had no idea what they were doing with the balance of ow since forever. And what game modes? The nostalgia bait of ow classic? The Halloween mode that had hero "mutations" which are basically a fraction of the pvp elements we were promised with the release of ow 2? And the 6v6 playtest (only a qp version btw) which is how the game format should've been in THE FIRST PLACE?
@@brycenb2994 of course creators love it, in fact they love it more than us casuals since they've been stuck streaming ow and only ow for so long, but there were some creators who called it a mobile game and said that rivals would flop, funny thing is some of these creators ended up giving rivals a try
@@brycenb2994 see, the majority of rivals players were either A) ow players who were introduced to the game later on (5v5 Era), B) really small portion of players from other shooter games, and C) (where the majority of the hate stems from) ow players who got sick of blizzard's shenanigans and quit long ago, but still had that itch to play a shooter similar to ow, that's why they're on every ow social media platform telling the remaining players to leave the game for rivals
GS Raider pretty much explained why most people leave
I don't understand why people don't think u can have both cake and eat them.
Its a poorly worded phrase. Its meant to be understood as; "you cant eat your cake, and still have the whole cake left over."
I think something like "you cant clean your plate, and expect it to stay full," or "you can't drink without ending with an empty glass," would serve the sentiment better.
large part of it is people wanting to act all high and mighty about being right and having to rub it in everyone else's faces.
For me, there was a time I genuinely enjoyed ow, when I was playing with my friends, but my friend got unfairly banned (because the ow community support team is horrible) and I've just been playing if there's some new shiny cosmetics I can earn, I realized that and I just don't think I can enjoy it alone, like I can for Rivals.
Stay strong everyone! Have fun playing whatever you want!
As a player and fan of both franchises, Marvel Rivals just does a lot of things so much better than Overwatch. It feels like a breath of fresh air playing Rivals
thats because its literally fresh air
Like what?? Name one thing they do “better”
@@brycenb2994balance changes,skins,move sets,ranked system,pricing, game modes, and they actually care about their community.
Those are just a couple of things, if I had time I could probably think of more
to much drama im going back to plants vs zombies garden warfare 2
BASED
YOOOOO
Hot Rod Chomper was my goat back in the day
@@ashqly73 My second most played character 💜🖤.
First is Twilight.
I’m going back to angry birds
You have phenomenal taste!!
As someone who has 90% switched over to marvel rivals I cant understand why people think you cant enjoy both games. I think both games fulfill a different purpose, a different itch. I love Overwatch for their original characters characters (despite the obvious favorites) and every now and then Ill open OW to play some echo, her gameplay style is just so fun and MR could honestly never replicate that for me. Same thing for Jeff, OW could never replicate the gameplay of Jeff. While I find myself preferring MR you cant deny that OW has things that MR doesn't and will keep me coming back every once in awhile
As someone who's played a lot of OW and some of MR, nothing has taken me out of MR more than just how the community acts. Its like the worst parts of the OW community joined MR and everyone is just super okay with how they talk to people. Even outside the game on youtube or tiktok all the comments on anything MR related is just people hating on OW.
And it's super annoying because a lot of the OW community is vocal and really excited for a competitor to force blizzard to change up how they work the game and make it better. And instead of engaging with that MR players act like everyone who still plays OW are braindead children. Its just frustrating because its like MR cant form thier own identity seperate from OW due to this anger and want to PROVE its better than OW. I'm not touching Rivals again for a long time. I had about 5 games in a row on MR where there was some form of "go back to OW" said by someone and I'm just over it. It's a shame to because the game is SO FUN without the community being so angry.
“Go back to OW”
Goes back
“No why would you play that game!?”
You cant play either game MR fans will get mad
And don't forget Symmetra's voice actress Anjali Bihmani also voices Rampart from Apex
WHY DO PEOPLE MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT???
The only reason I say that I hope Marvel Rivals kills overwatch is because I hope that Marvel Rivals brings enough competition to make Blizzard actually change their game for the better
I hope blizzard wakes up it’s time to ball out
Literally just like most of these online titles both Overwatch and Rivals are gonna have their own good amount of players and in a few months later nobody will even care. Overwatch will be in its corner chillin and Rivals will be in its own corner chillin with each their own playerbase literally nothing will even happened
Hating the VAs is the stupidest thing ever. I think “Wow that’s really cool that X voice actor is voicing Y character in Z game”
Yeah tbh I’ve never thought they’d get jadeases for voicing someone else cause it’s like buddy it’s their job
To reference flats, marvel rivals is in its Honeymoon phase being the hot new game at the moment. With time, the smoke will blow over and we can all go back to some sense of balance.
I legit tell people to play whatever you want, I personally love Marvel Rivals it fulfills what OW use to do for me hopefully when Classic comes back I can enjoy it again but again just play whatever you want
"Traitor's these who tries run away from playing masterpiece such as OW2, Jeff Kaplan died for you, and this how you want to repay? by not Supporting Blizzard when they finally stated making skins free and for Venture" Woman if you are rich and need trophy husband to peg, call me any day
Everyone in both communities needs to see this video because everyone really does need to learn that “you can play whatever the f you want”
Im an OW fan, who was not happy with OW2; and looked forward to Marvel Rivals. I like both games. I have my complaints with OW, being a long time fan; but both games have immense potential to be great.
The anger with Blizzard is a bit understandable, but should be directed at Blizzard, not fellow gamers.
I enjoy both .. ow is still my main game but im tired of the community war
GS Raider said it all very well
ey bro, i would advise u to look at ur mp4 file again, cuz the anti-alisaing or smth is makin ur video look kinda crispy and also stutters at times.
Both games are equally good. Rivals is more fast paced and OW feels more like a coordinated game. I play BOTH shocking I know. People act like you can’t play both. The people who switched to rivals and deleted OW ONLY played OW which is what they will do with rivals. They’re going to burn themselves out.
They could be like us giga chads who know it is possible to play multiple games and enjoy both.
Rivals players are extremely toxic and OBSESSED with talking about OW it’s kinda concerning. I don’t hear OW players calling rivals shit cause they mind their own business. Rivals players are over hyping the game. Sure it’s good but not a literal gift from god they make it out to be. They shit on OW and call it a cash grab even though both games sell a shit ton of skins so it’s super hypocritical.
you are capable of playing and enjoying multiple games but most people don’t seem to know that
You can play whatever game you want and if you have fun on it good for you,
But saying ow is as equally good as mr is a big lie.
sure you can enjoy yourself, and sure it’s probably a lot more peaceful now that a lot of the toxic players left, but blizzard has made some bad decisions for this game
For me, I got tired of having to play the same 3 characters just bc the rest are so underwhelming, on the other hand in mr you can play ANY character and have the most fun of your entire life(well maybe that’s just me)
And also netease knows what the players want and actually does them,and aren’t very greedy.
It’s also being hyped up so much bc people get to play a game that’s actually enjoyable to play, and when your not playing comp it doesn’t feel like your playing in comp.
Now I don’t understand why people bash on the few ow players left
Basically all players that had issues with ow now have new weapon to criticise ow even harder.
And you know what? I don't know these chinese guys but i sure do know that they didn't:
1) promised pve campaign with unique abilities system
2) Tried to deliver it for 4 years and Left ow to rot because of that
3) and in the end said "we don't have plans for pve campaign anymore.
So ye, blizzard digged very deep grave for very long time, eventually facing all this hate of players that tired of sitting in that grave.
- People for ages like Freedo cried for ban system in ranked. Guess what - rivals has it.
- a lot of tanks cried for bringing 6v6 back. Guess what - rivals has it.
- some og players missed pre role lock days - rivals has it as well.
So that's it, everything people wanted in overwatch, rivals delivered them. For me personally, i prefer quick plays without role locks. Better have third dps than moira in my team every single match.
And i ran away from ow to space marine 2, because 40 euros for a skin hurted my broky feelings too much...
The thing is, Marvel Rivals' players are OBSESSED with Overwatch. It's so f weird, like... just play your game and don't bother others. It's NOT that difficult.
We all know Marvel Rivals is going to fall off eventually, and then what? Are people going to hate the game (and the devs) by then? Most likely. It's such a content farming hype train game it's embarassing 😂
The game is fun, but the content creators will 100% kill it, since all they do is slander other IPs.
They are so desperate, that a "normal" and "regular" video of Marvel Rivals, be it montage, showcase, commentary or gameplay, ALL have to mention the word "Overwatch" (usually insulting the game)...
They do this just for the sake of being annoying and disrespecting other communities for no reason...
Rivals fans are obsessed with OW more than OW players are lmao.
They have OW derangement syndrome.
Oh please lets not do this. "Both sides are bad" or "Let's enjoy both cakes"
Let's not sit here like OverWatch hasn't been underperforming on all marks
False promises, lack of respect for the customers, and just overall downgrading the game with bs patches
OverWatch 2 is nothing more than a glorified graphics update with bs monetization so bad fans preferred loot boxes, especially with the heroes they tried paywalling with the BattlePass
Why would I cheer for a company that treated their playerbase like garbage, made promises that were never even kept,and the game becoming less in quality in terms of content and enjoyment in comparison to OW1 and its now Competitor Marvel Rivals
People who stick to OverWatch 2 are akin to people with Stockholm Syndrome hoping that the game that burnt them time and time somehow wakes up and "be better" like it promised many times before
Yes, we absolutely can enjoy both cakes. Because while you sit there and continue to bash the game, which- while I do agree that it's been underperforming; it also has done a LOT better lately. You cant blame the game, they game is this way because the suits at the top said so. That's disrespectful to all the hard working, loving devs that put their heart and soul into the game. They have plenty of respect for their player base. The suits dont. You need to realise that not everyone is out to get you bro. It's a simple corporate greed tactic to pay wall things. The devs can't do shit about it, and likely won't be able to do much for a while. They've done the steps they can take in the right direction. But reverting it all would get them all swiftly fired and replaced by a new team that has no idea what to do with the game.
Bobby and the suits are the biggest reason the devs weren't communicative enough and the game turned out to be very greedy. I'm sorry. But you need to learn to grow up and stop insulting overwatch fans, telling them that they have "Stockholm syndrome"
What happened to all you people, seriously? The reason we stick to overwatch is for the characters, the world, the lore- all of it. Tell us that we're all stupid for it all you want. But I am a firm believer in "don't take the world for how it is, believe in what it could be". Which is, if you all remember. The whole reason we joined the overwatch community in the first place.
Overwatch is a place where all can fantasize about a world not so dissimilar to their own in which fighting the good fight is possible, even if disencouraged by corruption like today.
Im not a superhero fan, marvel rivals- while quite fun, definitely one of my favorite games- just does not have the pull that overwatch does for me.
Nobody is super in real life, everyone in overwatch has gone through pain, suffering, character development, all to not only gain their powers, but to hone them and become the warriors they wanted to be. Superheroes, while some have gone through pain and suffering, have mostly come off unscathed from it. Heroes in overwatch have reasons for fighting, other than "for good" like most superheroes do.
Who in real life is amazing at something without training? Nobody. Overwatch agents had to train and hone their craft. Superheroes don't. They just are.
Now I'm not saying that marvel rivals is worse. I'm saying the reason overwatch fans stick to overwatch is because we want to be related to. It's hard living in the real world. And if we can fight for a reason, fight for what's right. Even if we have to go through pain and suffering- we will.
Luigi mangione is a PRIME example of overwatch's core philosophy. Reminds me exactly of the retribution archives event. If that CEO was just arrested, what would happen? He'd get out scott free. Luigi mangione is literally the life equivalent of Gabriel Reyes right now.
He imagined the world for what it could be. And even if he did something wrong to do it, it's for a good reason. And it's for the greater good of the people. And for better Healthcare for all.
Is that not what a prime example of an overwatch agent is? You dont see any superheroes apart from the occasional rare one who kills the corruption in our lives.
That's the difference between marvel rivals and overwatch. Marvel rivals is about a fictional world with fictional stories and fictional people.
Overwatch is a story about humanity, what it means to do good, and what it means to be a hero.
Two very different games. Two very different meanings.
Yes we can and will enjoy both our cakes and eat them too. Good day.
@DrGST "Growing up" is realizing the game that, like beforehand, is not being respected by it own company and Devs
No amount of your emotional sentiment is gonna change what OverWatch became and will be soon
Your entire "essay" boils down to pure emotion when my original post explains the reality of the situation and the inevitable of why people are leaving very simple
@yung_1174 If you actually read my post, you would realise that the devs DO respect the game. And are trying their hardest to bring it back. Team 4, the overwatch devs, 70% of their team was laid off. They don't have much left. Its due to the shenanigans bobby and his cronies pulled that this happened.
Saying "it's simply reality" while insulting people by saying they have Stockholm syndrome is quite rude and pretty emotional of you to say tbh.
Im stating why some don't like marvel rivals, why some do, and why some like both, and vice versa.
It's not an emotional argument. It is simply saying that those who believe in overwatch's message are not going to just switch to marvel rivals, and we don't have Stockholm syndrome. We just either don't like superhero stuff. Or we believe the message of overwatch, regardless of the current state of it.
Believe it or not, but "growing up" is realizing that the art can be appreciated without endorsing the artist
@DrGST if that was the case, the game would be in a better state than what it is
I'm sorry if critique is somehow disrespectful, but the game is not great, simple even before the layoffs
And yes, you are using an emotional argument, buddy
@yung_1174 I never said critique was disrespectful. I said telling people that they have Stockholm syndrome because god forbid they dare to like a game you dont is disrespectful
Have you not seen the countless times the devs listened to the community? Have you not seen them listen to creators on what needs to happen? This is a whole new dev team? The team from overwatch 1 is also the team that created overwatch 2 weirdo. That team isnt around anymore. The new team has tried. Are they good at it yet? No. But atleast they're trying.
Im simply stating the fact that the reason people like overwatch is because they like the characters more, among other things.
Insulting people and talking down to them by calling them buddy- you do realise that only also makes your argument emotional too, right?
Cause if you were actually trying to refuse evidence with evidence, you wouldn't need to be name calling and talking down to people
She speaks nothing but facts, honestly... My friend who hasn't even played the game and can't even play it is already saying how OW is trash and Rivals is better, and it makes me not wanna play it now. Like genuinely, the game looks fun and cool, and I'd wanna try, but now that people wanna insult me for wanting to play OW and stuff, it makes me not wanna join MR now. Like all the creators I watched for OW for rants and stuff, it makes me wanna unfollow them, too, cause they keep shoving this agenda. Even though they spent MANY hours on OW, they switch to MR and just completely insult OW, and I (personally) can't vibe with that. You can play MR all you want, I genuinely don't care. Just don't be a jerk about it. **Sigh** Also, I'm tired of doomscrolling too, and seeing videos, posts, etc, about OW dying... People act like new people aren't gonna find their way to play OW... Or ain't have a loyal fanbase already. Just have fun and stop the wars 😭🙏🏻
Both sides annoying af with the comparisons and toxicity. I have no intention of playing rivals but I dont tell anyone to not play that shit or call people who play it a traitor. I just enjoy the memes and the arguments from afar
To all those that are bashing overwatch players for "having stockholm syndrome" or just generally thinking overwatch is terrible, read below;
Yes, we absolutely can enjoy both cakes. Because while you sit there and continue to bash the game, which- while I do agree that it's been underperforming; it also has done a LOT better lately. You cant blame the game, they game is this way because the suits at the top said so. That's disrespectful to all the hard working, loving devs that put their heart and soul into the game. They have plenty of respect for their player base. The suits dont. You need to realise that not everyone is out to get you bro. It's a simple corporate greed tactic to pay wall things. The devs can't do shit about it, and likely won't be able to do much for a while. They've done the steps they can take in the right direction. But reverting it all would get them all swiftly fired and replaced by a new team that has no idea what to do with the game.
Bobby and the suits are the biggest reason the devs weren't communicative enough and the game turned out to be very greedy. I'm sorry. But you need to learn to grow up and stop insulting overwatch fans, telling them that they have "Stockholm syndrome"
What happened to all you people, seriously? The reason we stick to overwatch is for the characters, the world, the lore- all of it. Tell us that we're all stupid for it all you want. But I am a firm believer in "don't take the world for how it is, believe in what it could be". Which is, if you all remember. The whole reason we joined the overwatch community in the first place.
Overwatch is a place where all can fantasize about a world not so dissimilar to their own in which fighting the good fight is possible, even if disencouraged by corruption like today.
Im not a superhero fan, marvel rivals- while quite fun, definitely one of my favorite games- just does not have the pull that overwatch does for me.
Nobody is super in real life, everyone in overwatch has gone through pain, suffering, character development, all to not only gain their powers, but to hone them and become the warriors they wanted to be. Superheroes, while some have gone through pain and suffering, have mostly come off unscathed from it. Heroes in overwatch have reasons for fighting, other than "for good" like most superheroes do.
Who in real life is amazing at something without training? Nobody. Overwatch agents had to train and hone their craft. Superheroes don't. They just are.
Now I'm not saying that marvel rivals is worse. I'm saying the reason overwatch fans stick to overwatch is because we want to be related to. It's hard living in the real world. And if we can fight for a reason, fight for what's right. Even if we have to go through pain and suffering- we will.
Luigi mangione is a PRIME example of overwatch's core philosophy. Reminds me exactly of the retribution archives event. If that CEO was just arrested, what would happen? He'd get out scott free. Luigi mangione is literally the life equivalent of Gabriel Reyes right now.
He imagined the world for what it could be. And even if he did something wrong to do it, it's for a good reason. And it's for the greater good of the people. And for better Healthcare for all.
Is that not what a prime example of an overwatch agent is? You dont see any superheroes apart from the occasional rare one who kills the corruption in our lives.
That's the difference between marvel rivals and overwatch. Marvel rivals is about a fictional world with fictional stories and fictional people.
Overwatch is a story about humanity, what it means to do good, and what it means to be a hero.
Two very different games. Two very different meanings.
Yes we can and will enjoy both our cakes and eat them too. Good day.
lol imagine playing ow when marvel rivals is out.
I don't have a ps5 lol I'm so jealous
@SpaghettiMoustache oof
I love both Overwatch and Marvel, but I'm shocked people love Rivals so much. It feels/looks like a mobile game. It's slow, stiff, floaty, and the characters don't feel nearly as deep. It has like 3 maps and the skin prices aren't much cheaper. I'm so confused why people are praising it as "the Overwatch killer" when it's basically the same damn game with less content. (Also it committed the same sin of making most their roster damage/duelist heroes...lol.)
I will say, however, that Rivals seems less dependant on roles. I usually only see 1 vanguard and 1 strategist (usually me) and 4 duelists, and yet the matches seem to function just fine. In Overwatch, that team comp would crumble. That's the single aspect I think Rivals has over Overwatch, it's easier to get into and more casual, which I suspect is why it has so many players.
Imo, the love for Rivals isn't love for Rivals. It's just a bunch of bitter ex-girlfriends trying to make Blizzard feel jealous with their rebound lol. I get it, Blizzard sucks and OW2 has had a rough run, but the devs have also been consistently improving things (more free currency, free heroes, reworked competitive, bringing back on-fire, even several free skins the past few events). I still like Overwatch because I don't take it too seriously. All the people screaming Overwatch is dead (even though it still has players and is still updating...) are so embarrassing. It's just a game. Both can exist, and I want both to succeed. I don't want either to have to fail.
...But Overwatch is better ;)
Here's what I have to say if overwatch was not here then the game Marvel Rivals would not be here at all. I mean marvel rivals copycat overwatch if I'm being honest. Plus I'd play marvel rivals but it feels like I'm playing overwatch Despite being a different game it still has the same thing overwatch has because the characters from marvel rivals are literally like characters from Overwatch. For example:winter soldier is like Cole cassidy, psychic if I'm saying her name right is like sombra, that woman with the ice is like Mei and I forgot her name but she's the one who almost beat Thanos with iron man,spider-man, daxx, Dr strange and star lord. She is like zen.
I’ve been playing both games ow is better overall but it feels weird how all the hype for marvel rivals is just ow doomers when it should just be enjoying the new game rather than blind hate but idk definitely makes me feel like not 100 percent ditching ow with how a lot of the marvel rivals only players see ow