Both are excellent, but Cecilia is amazing. Her command of her voice: the subtle vibrato, the deep low notes, the complete lack of portamento. Brava!!!!
Only Cecilia stays on the subtle feeling of the air fading out in the deep but glowing "ombra" under the trees at dawn...she gives a rare feeling that is more than an "operatic air"...it requires a calm overture of the voice at the limit of disparition, a risk that no one but her takes to serve the sensual intention of a spirit that relaxes, abandoned to the presence of a suave sensation that gives the fragile sentiment of being alive...bravo Cecilia !!!
Give the Guy kudos 👏, too. He has distracting, eye-avoidance mechanisms going; but somebody is "stealing" his Performance with a hidden camera; Cecelia has a splendid 😄 Full-production Team 😀 complete-with "Wind-tunnel" effect, to ruffle her delicious Costume, just as she ascends into that Smash, final Phrasing 😉. Give the Dude some credit. Despite the sound-intrusion of falling scenery. He gives a Solid Performance.
@@etiennee9813 Yes indeed, solid is the word, but not "soave piu" as the text enounces it (sweeter more)...and as she modulates "sotto vocce", giving the subtle sensation of the air under the trees...visibly in other conditions, we can't deny it !!! Thanks for your opinion in response to mine !!!
@@josephlhomme9377 My Voice-Instructor @ Harper College [Illinois-USA] is in full-agreement with you. Professor F. points-out that in the Counter-tenor range >[which I explore & aspire-to] the Male vocal instrument "struggles" to achieve musical notation; that is within the Mezzo's triumpal, physiological ability. It interests me how they "tease" with "Music of the 《Castrati》" in the title of this Tube. If you ever saw the Italian-language-Comedy "Art"-film of the 1960s - "Divorce Italian Style" - you will recall the furtive glances-back at the "Boy Choir Singer" in the choir-loft - who turns-out-to-be a chubby, 55-year-old Man. Hugely funny 😁 . As-is the significance of the Movie 🎬-title: Divorce Italian-Style turns-out-to-be Murder !
Cecilia breaks my heart . I feel I want to die while I listen to her, as nothing could ever be more beautiful than her voice, so perfect and so exquisitely sensual. She is so great a woman...more than just a woman, she is from Heaven.
Cecilia and Franco are splendid. The culture that gave rise to this music is second to none. The poetry/lyrics along w/ the great song leave one positively awestruck and completely amazed. I remember coming home from concert evenings in a virtual 'altered state' that would last for days, the sounds resonating continually through my every atom body, and soul. in 'another world' as it were, moving as through a place hushed in beauty and filled with a most serene peace. attending such events is an experience to live for and cherish forever.
An amazing comment. I experience the same exaltation. As a Vocalist, I concentrate & go deep-deeply to that Interior Place where all is calm & focused. Then, you Hope that the Pipes work. (Ha-ha)
Con tutto il rispetto per Cecilia Bartoli, Franco Fagioli è decisamente superiore, per il controllo del vibrato ( che nella Bartoli è a pecorella), e la bellezza di ogni singolo suono, senza nemmeno dover indossare abiti di gran scena sotto un albero🤭🤭🤔🤔 Una semplicità immensa la sua, per una interpretazione Unica, Inimitabe ed Irraggiungibile🙏🙏💖💖🙏🙏💖💖 Grazie di esistere Franco Fagioli🙏🙏💖💖🙏🙏💖💖 Cordiali saluti. Anna
Sorry, are you american? Why all Americans are so obsessed with the royalty? An european would never say something like that, would never call someone " the king"
I love Handel, I love this aria so much and I love them both singing it. At first I wasn’t watching and for the first few seconds I thought Cecilia was Franco! I have heard him sing this more softly and with deeper emotion elsewhere I think. . 🥰🥰🌹🌹
Franco chante un "bis" en concert non ? Il donne pourtant l'impression d'être sous la protection d'un arbre immense, par sa gestuelle respectueuse et modeste . Son chant pur s'envole avec lui, il est de toute beauté, c'est une sacrée performance . Bravo à ces 2 très grands artistes .
Maravillosa aria, la primera vez que la escuché cantada por Andreas Scholl me cautivó. Estas dos versiones son magníficas también. Gracias por compartir
Luscious production. What a treat. Gorgeous costuming. Respectful staging in plein-aire. Really neat. And the extraordinary Vocalist going All-in. More, Please!
Wouldn’t it have been better to compare equal performances? Cecilia is not performing live, (or how can you get such perfect sound in a garden?) While Franco’s performance is very live, (shot taken from a cell phone?). There is a beautiful cd by Franco: Händel aria’s with the Il Pomo d’Oro orchestra (2018), including this aria🤓
Nun Bartoli ist Perfekt . Aber Fagioli ist Göttlich viel Liebe liegt in seiner Stimme. Nun wenn wir Wissen das Bartoli ein Zwilling und Fagioli ein Stier ist Wissen wir Weswegen 😊🌹
They are indeed so similar in genius aren't they? They made me see how the mezzo soprano's inherited the mantle of the great castrati ( like Pasta and Malibran ).
Technically superior? Cecilia Bartoli, hands down. But emotion? She doesn't have the pain, the fragility in her voice. Remember this was composed for a castrato. Imagine the dolor, the shame and the high price they had to pay for their fame? I think Franco Fagioli wins in the end, because he carries la opera seria to its ultimate victory, because he understands the material.
Interesting. To me, Fagioli has technique over any counter tenor I know, and obviously over Bartoli. She's a half-natural, sung this way since early childhood, it was impossible to correct it and make a proper opera singing technique.
Grazie TH, ma perché, tu hai ascoltato quando Cecila scende con note basse e anche Franco, secondo "Ombra mai fu.. Di vegetabile".. I due sono meravigliosi. Beh, la verità è che l'idea non è quella di confrontarli, ma di godersi la canzone di questi due artisti di un'aria sublime e dedicata dal re Serse a un albero.. alla natura. un genio di Georg F. Handel a cui ha dedicato questa bellissima musica.
Creo que hablas español, no? ¡La voz de Cecilia Bartoli me agrada muchísimo! Ella es un gigante de la ópera, y de eso no hay duda. Simplemente prefiero voces de contratenores, y para mí, Franco Fagioli es inigualable. Pero tienes razón: Bartoli e Fagioli son incomparables; no hay otros como ellos. ;-)
Gracias TH TH por dejarnos tus opiniones .., y si estamos de acuerdo, a mi me gusta mucho también la voz de los contratenores. Por cierto, como información, están anunciando para los espectaculos del Palacio de Versalles en 2018, un evento para ellos con la presentación de varios, como P. Jaroussky, F. Fagioli, Filippo Mineccia y Riccardo Strano un muy joven prometedor en esta tessitura. Por otro lado, y volviendo al tema, en el Stabat Mater de Steffani hay partes que cantan juntos Franco y Cecilia y a veces sus voces se entrelazan de manera bellísima, por ej. luego de Eja Mater, Sancta Mater, después del minuto 2:21 en algún momento cuesta diferenciar sus voces, increíbles los dos. Te dejo el link de este otro video por si no lo habías visto. Saludos TH TH. th-cam.com/video/Epk0B1kwSGg/w-d-xo.html
Sí, verdad! Voy a ver ese video otra vez, sin duda. He hecho una lista de reproducción con más de 200 videos de Fagioli - muchos de ellos son tuyos. Te agradezco inmensamente por ponerlos en TH-cam. :-)
Si , vi la lista que mencionas. Franco es uno de los contratenores que considero estupendo artista, dedicado, respeta a su audiencia, ama la música y su trabajo. Y me gusta dar a conocer lo que hace.
Кидайте тапками! Чечилия - настоящий профессионал. Женщина знает, что в такой манере многие работают и одной техники недостаточно, чтоб быть уникальной. Она погружает в состояние эйфории - прекрасное впечатление. Уникальный Фаджиоли, несомненно, заслуживает восхищения. Но я не испытываю желания ещё раз слушать виртуозное и формальное исполнение, простите, за откровенность.
Difficile scegliere!!! Fenomenali entrambi!!! A parte il fatto che il video di Fagipli è di qualità inferiore, paradossalmente preferisco la pronuncia di Fagioli, ma allo stesso tempo i piano della Bartoli. Che artisti!!!
Pentru o femeie sa cante in propriul registru este simplu si natural. Sa nu uiam insa esentialul !! Aceste piese vocale erau compuse pentru castrati , pentru barbati si nu pentru femei ! Deci din start este vorba de o voce masculina cu calitati deosebite si nu o Diva . Mai intai a fost Il Divo..
It's not possible to compare to distinct voices, and she is a woman and he is a man. We can compare him just with other men. But yes, you can say if you prefer to hear her or him. I can only say that they are both wonderful singers. I generally prefer women singing opera or folk music. I like to hear to them, perhaps because my mother sang more often to me than my father did...kkkk
On peut en préférer une des deux, mais rejeter l’autre pour autant serait comme cracher dans le potage. Ça me rappelle cette chicane puérile entre ceux qui préféraient Maria Callas ou ceux qui préféraient Margherita Rinaldi. Bien que j'en aime une plus que l'autre, pourquoi rejetterais-je l’autre quand les deux chantent merveilleusement bien?
Ambos cantan como angeles, pero la genialidad de Franco te transporta a esas épocas dónde dominaba el canto del castrati hay grabaciones de Franco mucho mejores.
C est difficile de comparer d un côté une vidéo scenarisée et remasterisée, de l autre côté des conditions de concert assez sommaires. Pour moi franco faggioli plus sincèrement ému
Fagioli is so obviously imitating Bartoli, the same ridiculous mannerisms and facial expressions. Same messy coloratura. What are people learning today at the conservatory? How to turn into a cheap imitation of others?
... A MAIS EMOCIONANTE VOZ DE MEZZO SOPRANO DA CONTEMPORANEIDADE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
La bellezza in terra, evviva Haendel, evviva Cecilia Bartoli, evviva Franco Fagioli …
... FRANCO FAGIOLI ... , ABSOLUTAMENTE EXTRAORDINARIO CONTRATENOR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
VOZ DE ANJO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ho finalmente scoperto la grandezza di Franco Fagioli... meglio tardi che mai!
All-Over-Again I love Franco and his lovely reading of 《Ombra Mai Fu》.
24MAY2024
I LOVE Bartoli, and Fagioli is a revelation. ❤❤❤
Both are excellent, but Cecilia is amazing. Her command of her voice: the subtle vibrato, the deep low notes, the complete lack of portamento. Brava!!!!
Grandissimo Fagioli, voce soave della Bartoli, assamble corsa e capace, location perfetta
Only Cecilia stays on the subtle feeling of the air fading out in the deep but glowing "ombra" under the trees at dawn...she gives a rare feeling that is more than an "operatic air"...it requires a calm overture of the voice at the limit of disparition, a risk that no one but her takes to serve the sensual intention of a spirit that relaxes, abandoned to the presence of a suave sensation that gives the fragile sentiment of being alive...bravo Cecilia !!!
I so agree with you! The ability of Il Giardino Armonico to breathe with her helps enormously, as well.
Yes, both Cecilia and the great ensemble Giardino Armonico are wonderful!
Give the Guy kudos 👏, too.
He has distracting, eye-avoidance mechanisms going; but somebody is "stealing" his Performance with a hidden camera; Cecelia has a splendid 😄 Full-production Team 😀 complete-with "Wind-tunnel" effect, to ruffle her delicious Costume, just as she ascends into that Smash, final Phrasing 😉.
Give the Dude some credit.
Despite the sound-intrusion of falling scenery. He gives a Solid Performance.
@@etiennee9813 Yes indeed, solid is the word, but not "soave piu" as the text enounces it (sweeter more)...and as she modulates "sotto vocce", giving the subtle sensation of the air under the trees...visibly in other conditions, we can't deny it !!! Thanks for your opinion in response to mine !!!
@@josephlhomme9377 My Voice-Instructor @ Harper College [Illinois-USA] is in full-agreement with you. Professor F. points-out that in the Counter-tenor range >[which I explore & aspire-to] the Male vocal instrument "struggles" to achieve musical notation; that is within the Mezzo's triumpal, physiological ability.
It interests me how they "tease" with "Music of the 《Castrati》" in the title of this Tube.
If you ever saw the Italian-language-Comedy "Art"-film of the 1960s - "Divorce Italian Style" - you will recall the furtive glances-back at the "Boy Choir Singer" in the choir-loft - who turns-out-to-be a chubby, 55-year-old Man.
Hugely funny 😁 .
As-is the significance of the Movie 🎬-title: Divorce Italian-Style turns-out-to-be Murder !
Love you both ❤❤❤❤❤
Cecilia breaks my heart . I feel I want to die while I listen to her, as nothing could ever be more beautiful than her voice, so perfect and so exquisitely sensual. She is so great a woman...more than just a woman, she is from Heaven.
Filmed in near total darkness, but Bartolli's vocal brilliance shines through, and Fagioli is sheer virtuosity.
Cecilia and Franco are splendid. The culture that gave rise to this music is second to none. The poetry/lyrics along w/ the great song leave one positively awestruck and completely amazed. I remember coming home from concert evenings in a virtual 'altered state' that would last for days, the sounds resonating continually through my every atom body, and soul. in 'another world' as it were, moving as through a place hushed in beauty and filled with a most serene peace. attending such events is an experience to live for and cherish forever.
An amazing comment.
I experience the same exaltation.
As a Vocalist, I concentrate & go deep-deeply to that Interior Place where all is calm & focused.
Then, you Hope that the Pipes work. (Ha-ha)
Aí vai Cecília Bartoli enfeitando Obra Mai Fu, cantando em 2 registros e imitando os castrati. É uma mezzo coloratural.
Deux voix uniques!
Божественно !!! Как , прекрасно !!
Was unaware that a man could make such a sound but found both performances fascinating and beautiful.
His voice is astounding- I can’t get enough of it!
ECCELLENTE...sia la musica sia l'interpretazione della grande Cecilia ..con uno splendido accompagnamento orchestrale!
Какое же это наслаждение слушать такое великолепное исполнение!
Verdad es
Con tutto il rispetto per Cecilia Bartoli, Franco Fagioli è decisamente superiore, per il controllo del vibrato ( che nella Bartoli è a pecorella), e la bellezza di ogni singolo suono, senza nemmeno dover indossare abiti di gran scena sotto un albero🤭🤭🤔🤔 Una semplicità immensa la sua, per una interpretazione Unica, Inimitabe ed Irraggiungibile🙏🙏💖💖🙏🙏💖💖 Grazie di esistere Franco Fagioli🙏🙏💖💖🙏🙏💖💖 Cordiali saluti. Anna
Such richness of timbre from both singers!
Hendel....i to wykonanie.... czegóż chcieć więcej.
His range and power are unchallenged. He is a king.
Sorry, are you american? Why all Americans are so obsessed with the royalty? An european would never say something like that, would never call someone " the king"
I love Handel, I love this aria so much and I love them both singing it. At first I wasn’t watching and for the first few seconds I thought Cecilia was Franco! I have heard him sing this more softly and with deeper emotion elsewhere I think. . 🥰🥰🌹🌹
BRAVO.GENIUS!!!!!!!:-**************
Franco chante un "bis" en concert non ? Il donne pourtant l'impression d'être sous la protection d'un arbre immense, par sa gestuelle respectueuse et modeste . Son chant pur s'envole avec lui, il est de toute beauté, c'est une sacrée performance . Bravo à ces 2 très grands artistes .
There voices are very similair....equally beautiful.
Magníficos ambos
Ambos maravillosos! Los mejores en su estilo
カストラートの影を追いかけてプリマドンナオペラが発展したと思われますが、男性と女性が同じ音域を唄うと言う妙技を産み出した西洋芸術の奇跡を目の当たりにしてただただ圧倒されるばかりだ‼️チュチュリアの低音とファジョリの高音に驚嘆するばかりだ‼️ブラボー🎵
Believe me, the arts of the past are the only occidental’s miracoulus..
Unparalleled
Maravillosa aria, la primera vez que la escuché cantada por Andreas Scholl me cautivó. Estas dos versiones son magníficas también. Gracias por compartir
bravissimi tutti e due
Luscious production. What a treat. Gorgeous costuming. Respectful staging in plein-aire. Really neat. And the extraordinary Vocalist going All-in. More, Please!
Splendid -
All-over-again.
I am a Counter-tenor Vocalist in Chicago.
Takes Guts !
Che dire, uno meglio dell' altro... Grazie!!!
Franko's best! Cecilia is also perfect, but my heart's with Franko.
Wouldn’t it have been better to compare equal performances? Cecilia is not performing live, (or how can you get such perfect sound in a garden?) While Franco’s performance is very live, (shot taken from a cell phone?). There is a beautiful cd by Franco: Händel aria’s with the Il Pomo d’Oro orchestra (2018), including this aria🤓
Nun Bartoli ist Perfekt . Aber Fagioli ist Göttlich viel Liebe liegt in seiner Stimme.
Nun wenn wir Wissen das Bartoli ein Zwilling und Fagioli ein Stier ist Wissen wir Weswegen 😊🌹
OMG it's heaven
They are indeed so similar in genius aren't they? They made me see how the mezzo soprano's inherited the mantle of the great castrati ( like Pasta and Malibran ).
Incantevoli!!!! Un sogno.
Technically superior? Cecilia Bartoli, hands down. But emotion? She doesn't have the pain, the fragility in her voice. Remember this was composed for a castrato. Imagine the dolor, the shame and the high price they had to pay for their fame? I think Franco Fagioli wins in the end, because he carries la opera seria to its ultimate victory, because he understands the material.
Interesting. To me, Fagioli has technique over any counter tenor I know, and obviously over Bartoli. She's a half-natural, sung this way since early childhood, it was impossible to correct it and make a proper opera singing technique.
one word Franco
Счастье что вы есть у нас!🤗
ЭТО ДААААА! И КАК ТОЛЬКО РОЖДАЮТСЯ ТАКИЕ ФЕНОМЕНЫ! 🙏👏👏👏👍👍👍🔥💥💥
Straordinari entrambi ,ma la Bartoli è sublimemente soave , c'è più sentimento e vocalità perfetta .
КОСМОС! 💥💥🔥🔥🔥💫💫💫👍👏👏👏❤
Контр-тенор великолепен!!!
Es argentino !! 🇦🇷… tenemos muchos grandes talentos …más allá de Messi 🤪🤩
@@barrcris Спасибо Аргентине ! ❤
Бартоли исполняет естественным женским голосом с естественными женскими красочными интонациями. Фаджоли - феномен, его голос - голос ангела с небес.
Дар небес как раз Бартоли. Диапазон и колоратура уникальные
Absolutamente maravillosos, los dos, imposible quedarse con uno...
Grazie TH, ma perché, tu hai ascoltato quando Cecila scende con note basse e anche Franco, secondo "Ombra mai fu.. Di vegetabile".. I due sono meravigliosi. Beh, la verità è che l'idea non è quella di confrontarli, ma di godersi la canzone di questi due artisti di un'aria sublime e dedicata dal re Serse a un albero.. alla natura. un genio di Georg F. Handel a cui ha dedicato questa bellissima musica.
Creo que hablas español, no? ¡La voz de Cecilia Bartoli me agrada muchísimo! Ella es un gigante de la ópera, y de eso no hay duda. Simplemente prefiero voces de contratenores, y para mí, Franco Fagioli es inigualable. Pero tienes razón: Bartoli e Fagioli son incomparables; no hay otros como ellos. ;-)
Gracias TH TH por dejarnos tus opiniones .., y si estamos de acuerdo, a mi me gusta mucho también la voz de los contratenores. Por cierto, como información, están anunciando para los espectaculos del Palacio de Versalles en 2018, un evento para ellos con la presentación de varios, como P. Jaroussky, F. Fagioli, Filippo Mineccia y Riccardo Strano un muy joven prometedor en esta tessitura. Por otro lado, y volviendo al tema, en el Stabat Mater de Steffani hay partes que cantan juntos Franco y Cecilia y a veces sus voces se entrelazan de manera bellísima, por ej. luego de Eja Mater, Sancta Mater, después del minuto 2:21 en algún momento cuesta diferenciar sus voces, increíbles los dos. Te dejo el link de este otro video por si no lo habías visto. Saludos TH TH. th-cam.com/video/Epk0B1kwSGg/w-d-xo.html
Sí, verdad! Voy a ver ese video otra vez, sin duda. He hecho una lista de reproducción con más de 200 videos de Fagioli - muchos de ellos son tuyos. Te agradezco inmensamente por ponerlos en TH-cam. :-)
Este joven es brasileño. Yo creo que su voz te sorprenderá. Saludos, Merida Zulimen. th-cam.com/video/8ZYPPPbneZM/w-d-xo.html
Si , vi la lista que mencionas. Franco es uno de los contratenores que considero estupendo artista, dedicado, respeta a su audiencia, ama la música y su trabajo. Y me gusta dar a conocer lo que hace.
mükemmel
Massa!!!
Кидайте тапками!
Чечилия - настоящий профессионал. Женщина знает, что в такой манере многие работают и одной техники недостаточно, чтоб быть уникальной. Она погружает в состояние эйфории - прекрасное впечатление.
Уникальный Фаджиоли, несомненно, заслуживает восхищения. Но я не испытываю желания ещё раз слушать виртуозное и формальное исполнение, простите, за откровенность.
Her chest voice is gold
Difficile scegliere!!! Fenomenali entrambi!!! A parte il fatto che il video di Fagipli è di qualità inferiore, paradossalmente preferisco la pronuncia di Fagioli, ma allo stesso tempo i piano della Bartoli. Che artisti!!!
Pentru o femeie sa cante in propriul registru este simplu si natural. Sa nu uiam insa esentialul !! Aceste piese vocale erau compuse pentru castrati , pentru barbati si nu pentru femei ! Deci din start este vorba de o voce masculina cu calitati deosebite si nu o Diva . Mai intai a fost Il Divo..
Сecilia входит в звук и выходит из него нежнее. Вибрация трепетнее. Con todo el respeto a Franco. Tambien lo queremos
Both very impressive . I prefer Bartoli . The voice relaxes more in softer parts
There is a better version of Fagioli “Ombra Mai Fu” from Deutsche Grammophon
Bravi tutti e due, ma io preferisco Franco.
It's not possible to compare to distinct voices, and she is a woman and he is a man. We can compare him just with other men. But yes, you can say if you prefer to hear her or him. I can only say that they are both wonderful singers. I generally prefer women singing opera or folk music. I like to hear to them, perhaps because my mother sang more often to me than my father did...kkkk
ADEVĂRAT HERR JOSEPH ...ASTA E VIAȚĂ.
On peut en préférer une des deux, mais rejeter l’autre pour autant serait comme cracher dans le potage. Ça me rappelle cette chicane puérile entre ceux qui préféraient Maria Callas ou ceux qui préféraient Margherita Rinaldi. Bien que j'en aime une plus que l'autre, pourquoi rejetterais-je l’autre quand les deux chantent merveilleusement bien?
Ambos cantan como angeles, pero la genialidad de Franco te transporta a esas épocas dónde dominaba el canto del castrati hay grabaciones de Franco mucho mejores.
ah bárbaro 😢 ....
C est difficile de comparer d un côté une vidéo scenarisée et remasterisée, de l autre côté des conditions de concert assez sommaires. Pour moi franco faggioli plus sincèrement ému
Maybe if both could be compared with the same recording device…putting someone’s mobile phone recording as an example is a bit unfair…
Unfortunately the sound quality of the Franco Fagioli recording is rather disrespectful to the singer, his range and abilities.
The countertenor has such an unfortunate name...
You know that funny or weird names can help reach the fame, sometimes, if listener can remember it, so hopefully he will become famous !
I'm no musician, and I think both versions are brilliant but definitely Cecilia for me. Fagioli's version doesn't seem natural to me, too theatrical.
Fagioli is so obviously imitating Bartoli, the same ridiculous mannerisms and facial expressions. Same messy coloratura. What are people learning today at the conservatory? How to turn into a cheap imitation of others?
Ni "manières" ni "expressions faciales ridicules" ici, ni pour l'un ni pour l'autre . Leurs expressions sont très belles et respectueuses .
Quando musica e canto danno felicità....