I don't think konosuba is criticizing ecchi in anime, it just tries to do it in a funny over the top way, but in the end its not saying anything bad about it.
The funny part is that I think a lot of the "so bad its funny" ecchi in Konosuba is not as intentional as people think. The studio that animated Konosuba, Studio Deen, are known for So Bad its Good, because they have always been an underdog studio with... lower budget. Many Deen shows are among my all time favorite anime, but most Deen shows have plenty of laughable moments. These are the guys who made "People die when they are killed" or the hilarious CG dragon from the original Fate, or the original Higurashi, which spawned the "Higurashi face meme" cause they're always shakin around haha
I disagree with you concerning the comparsion between Spider-man 2 and Rudeus. Peter was doubting the path of a superhero and whether its worth it because of all the difficulty it brings. He can't be with the girl he likes, he misses school and can't properly work a part-time job and can't pay rent. All of it is draining him and thus his powers are fluctuating because maybe he doesn't need to be spiderman climbing those walls. Its about doubt and selflessness having a deep cost. Rudeus in season 2 wasn't really questioning his path but questioning his worth. He lost Eris and his confidence as a man, he is depressed and lonely. He isn't questioning whether he should continue looking for his mother but rather whether he can and is able to endure the hardship along the way. Rudeus' story is about not giving up on one-self despite being dealt a bad hand. Most isekai are power fantasy but Rudeus isn't overpowered despite being strong. He nearly died against Orsted, Ruijerd had to take care of him on his way back from the Demon continent and he nearly lost against Galeus the North Saint. Rudeus is never allowed to have it all, he is always lacking in some way. He is a good looking young man and a strong adventurer but can't take advantage of that as he can't connect with women despite really wanting to and that leaves him lacking in self-worth. His ED is a result of that. If not for that then he would have gotten together with Sara and everything would work out for him. His ED is very relevant to the plot. Do I think it was the best way to do it, perhaps not but in Rudeus' case his power isn't meant to be an allegory for real life issues but rather its the fact that his power can't protect him from real lieve issues like self-doubt, trauma and depression. Rudeus and Peter are fundamentally different. Rudeus beleives that Eris left him because she dislikes him while Peter knows that Mary Jane loves him back but he can't be with her because of his Spiderman persona. Rudeus doubts his capabilities and underrates himself, the LN goes in to it more, while Peter is a genius at school but misses out because of his lack of attendance. Peter knows he is capable and can live the good life if he quit being Spiderman, that is his dilemma. While Rudeus doesn't know if things will be okay no matter what he does and every step he takes scares him and adds to his anxiety.
I kind of feel like Rudy's ED was caused by the Man God messing with him in order to get him on the "path" he wanted. Even though he felt bad he never had any trouble getting it up as a shut-in NEET. Being depressed doesn't cause ED. It's really mostly caused by physiological issues in older men (not enough blood flow, which is why Viagra fixes it). Honestly I kind of feel like the ED plotline was just something the author put in because it's like a rule that protagonists in Anime never get laid and he couldn't think of a more reasonable way to make that happen lol. (I realize it started out as a light novel but I guess the same rules apply. It's like they think readers/viewers can't relate to an MC that gets any action).
As someone who made 5 video essays on Kill la Kill's approach to fanservice and sexuality in art, I confirm my mom still thinks it's only for degenerates.
Interestingly, the video mentioned enjoying Overlord, which saddens me, as a fan of the source material( that being the light novels) I hated it , since IMO I I felt the anime adaption was terrible, and many Overlord anime only fans won't truly experience all the magic the light novel series has to offer, since Overlord is love by many light novel fans for these primary reasons: 1)Main villain as a protagonist - Unlike most isekai shows where the main character is morally good for the most part, Ainz is UNDOUBTEDLY a villain, since one of his goals is to try to dominate this new world. For instance, in Season 1 when Ainz was prepared to murder Niferea in when his identity as Momon was almost found out. Another example, is the UNPROVOKED attack on the lizard men led by Ainz in season 2 that cost countless lives for their species, and it was all done for experimentation for Ainz, it's also worth keeping in mind that the ONLY reason that Ainz decided to show mercy to the Lizardmen was due to Coctyus's request, which led to the situation we are in now where the Lizardmen aren't following Ainz now out of love, but fear, since they know first hand what he and his army of Nazarick are capable of, and we see more of that fear being shown from them in the later volumes. Next, is the attack on Re Estize kingdom led by Demiruge, which again, similar to the Lizardman was an UNPROVOKED attack led by Ainz crew that caused the death of not only countless soldiers of the kingdom, but men AND children as well. Heck, Demiurge kidnaps women and FORCES them to cross breed with other species for experimentation, which is essentially rape, and Ainz will NEVER actively punish him for it, since in the Light Novel he's stated time and time again that the denizens of Nazarick will ALWAYS have more value then the people of this new world. So here we have protagonist that's caused genocide for his own SELFISH reasons, and will CONTINUE TO DO SO in future arcs, and has subordinates that aren't above doing more bad things, such as rape ( Demiurge, and Shalltear fall into this rape category, though over 90% of the denizens of Nazarick are evil beings that enjoy the suffering of humans, just don't rape them with a few exceptions like Sebas who is morally good) so all this effectively makes Ainz a dictator on the same level as Hitler. However, what seperates Ainz from MANY other villains in fiction is that he isn't one dimensional as we see the man show compassion for those around him, even if it's primarily reserve with those in Nazarick, and he also has flaws in the fact that he struggles to be a competant leader for them, Making him a complex villain, up there with Griffith. It's a change of pace to what I usually see and it's glorious. 2) Foreshadowing- Many of the major events are set up in earlier parts of the story like how Ninya's death at the hands of Clementine played a role in Ainz rare act of compassion to someone outside of Nazarick in sparing Tuare is a great example of this. And there were many foreshadowing threads in season 3 season that will play a MAJOR role in future arcs, Seriously, I'll never forget reading the predictions people made in earlier volumes, with MANY of them being spot on in the more recent volumes due to all the seeds the author planted in those earlier volumes, which is great story telling. 3) world building- I could write an essay on how much world building was axed from the anime, and I don't know where to start so I won't bother lol. Personally I feel the anime fails at most of this since ALOT of the character moments are either brushed over or are outright glossed over, and that's in addition to skipping MANY of the world building elements. You KNOW it's bad when whenever there's a reaction video of Overlord on youtube, you have people in the comments of said videos writing LITERAL paragraphs explaining what was skipped on EACH episode, not as a whole season, and episode per video. It's bad. Then there's the animation itself, which there isn't much to speak of, and that's not even mentioning the god awful CGI. Overall, a terrible adaption, which is a shame because the light novels are so good, and REALLY dark in terms of tone, for instance, like going into more detail about Demiurge's breeding experiments ( many of the denizens of Nazarick are aware of this by the way, they just don't care that he's doing it, since they consider humans to be inferior to them), and Shalltear's weird and horrifying sexual fantasies ( she enjoys sexually assaulting women), or Ainz lack of sympathy for humanity as a whole, and how that's explored when he commits genocide. And the books go into far more detail on all of this. It's to the point that I feel that anime fans, and light novel fans are getting entirely different experiences.
Being a parody already evokes a level of critique of the genre, but I think the biggest tell is its nontitillating depiction of lewd themes. The absurd and over-the-top ways it showcases ecchi scenes evoke humor, like a caricature of anime that does it for genuine titillation.
@@RoamingTrend I guess I see critique as implying that it's bad, imo Konosuba utilizes it for a different purpose but in the end it's still definitely an ecchi show. I'd say Konosuba is a critique of the isekai genre, but not necessarily ecchi
@RoamingTrends Language does funny things. Konosuba is definitely parody (the anime that popularized comedy isekai and gave birth to a new genre full of awful shows that fail to imitate the formula)... but we were talking about laguage. Is parody equivalent to critique? Is Konosuba pointing at tropes or laughing at clichés? Is celebrating the absurdity of the genre or making fun of it? "The best satire is indistinguishable from the real thing", only the author would be able to confirm any intentionality and everything else would fall into the realms of speculation. My take is that Konosuba wether critique or not on the genre, it employs its setting nearly perfectly to deliver one of the best comedy anime I've ever seen.
I use a hot spring scene in my romantacy book, but it's extremely mild in the "ecchi". It's a moment of vulnerability when the protag reveals his past as a former slave, then confessing his growing feelings for his love interest. Not anime, but I was inspired by such, and tried to shift away from the stereotypes.
Sex in media sells, watch any american horror movie or even tv dramas and you will see a bunch of gratuitous sex scenes that don't serve the plot at all. In the end people see ecchi in a different light because of the cultural differences. Japanese people also see western shows as overly sexual, although unlike westerns they are less prone to criticize different cultures.
I personally disagree with the mushoku tensei and No Game No Life stuff, but I fully understand why you have that opinion and I will respect that. Also I 100% would NOT recommend it to someone unless they are already deep into anime and ecchi and are willing to delve deep into the lore and characters of the world
absolutely agree here. And Trend is new, these shows are nothing for him. That's normal. If he really watches anime in a year or 2, his opinion will change.
Pretty sure that No Game one was the anime that broke my will to watch anime, haven't watched any in years after experiencing like an episode and a half maybe of that.
@@HadesYT134 Depends. I have watched anime for years, even loved ecchi and harem animes when I was younger. As I have grown, it started to turn me off, mostly the ones that were minors, because I wasnt a minor anymore. Im an adult and though i still love cartoons and animated shows of all kinds, shows that have fetishes and ecchi makes me roll my eyes a bit because, I grew out of it and realized how gross it is. But that is just my opinion on the topic. If you are critical of media, you will not watch what you are not into and you will watch what you are into, despite the quality of writing and animation. Everyone has their taste and we are human, no one is safe from their desires lol
@@MadArtillery If you like writing and animation, cutting off anime will be your fall. Every industry has their shitty stuff, including anime. I recommend watching Dungeon Meshi, if you love to analyse themes and worlds. Doesnt have much fanservice, other than for a dwarf dude and its great. But that is if you have a passion for writing. Anime can be filled with amazing writing. To cut off any resource is not a smart move.
I am reading a lot of comments that aren't taking his criticism in the same direction. He is not saying Ecchi needs to be removed or its all bad, he is saying it is overpowering and not for everyone. People starting their journey in discovering anime should start lightly and grow their tolerance to it. He knows there is an audience who indulges in its facets but his approach is for the average Joe who has little to no expectations. He is giving his take on the genre himself but that is his opinion and taste on the matter. Its okay to disagree but don't say he is wrong to feel that way, just respectfully disagree.
A thing I really disagree with he talks about it being overpowering but then talks about including just some of it in shows. A person going into anime can just avoid Gushing Over Magical Girls as at a glance they can tell it is not for them. When an anime just randomly throws in scenes here and there that becomes much harder. It can lead viewers into feeling they got tricked into watching something.
Idk how much of Gushing over came out when this video was made but I want to make the point it is a very interesting message how she makes people around her grow themselves out of her sadism. She kinda acts like necessary evil making people stronger, more honest to each other
While I was also disappointed over GoMG being so echi, keep in mind the manga is marked as erotica so it was expected, but I'd rather it be made than not cause it still shows a level of creative freedom. western stuff just seems overly constrained at this point, making it difficult to find something I can enjoy. While I'm also happy that anime is more popular it also proved that I'm not universally against gatekeeping as instead of just dropping a show and finding something else they like some people will fight for it to be what they want it to be or go out of their way to attack shows in genre's that they just don't like. people like that should be gatekept and ridiculed because some people don't know how to mind their own business.
0:50 Nah, I agree. Normies, get out. That's how we wound up with 5000 shit isekai to begin with. 1:22 Well, 'translates' isn't quite accurate, but the finer don't matter that much, boils down to something similar. Still not the best choice of word. 1:58 Romance or Comedy do not have a setting as well. It's just a bunch of descriptors to roughly outline what is in the thing. The destinction between genre and tag is arbitrary. 2:20 Finer deistinction is laways appreciated, I agree. Goes for other genre as well. Maybe a slider system would be helpful. 3:10 Dub, Cringe. Also, I don't think you need all that clip to make the point, but sure, if you think it's funny. 4:25 Good that ou brought it up yourself, I almost forgot. But yes, not different. Saying that this is 'unique japanese culture' and their quirky outlook on sexuality and stuff. It's really not.I'm pretty tired of the weeb-ism of saying 'muh japan' when nothing in anime is something that could'nt have come from anywhere else. It's not harmful, just a useless and not even accurate statement that draws a pointless disctinction. People are people no matter where. -7:20 Bizarre statement. Saying that this could be an allegory for erectile dysfunction is opening the door where anything can be everything(and honestly reeks of desperately wanting to say something smart). If a story wants to talk about a man struggling with not being able to sexually deliver, it should do that. Who the fuck thinks it's 'a more interesting way to explore that topic' to instead tell a completely different story about completely different things, but it also has someone losing some ability in some way, so it's basically allegorical. Like c'mon, you know that's retarded. 7:50 No. No, it is not. Not from what you've just told me at least, I have not watched it. If the story was always about the man having a screwed outlook on sexuality, the show boing about taht is not the same as shoving boobs into something that is utterly unrelated. A statement like "it usally does storytelling well, but it also talks about sex" really just says " I dont wanna hear about sex", which to be fair, you also basically admit. But then why even bring it up. 8:10 My brother in christ, you are not an anime art snob. You watch dub. You are just a regular idiot who thinks he's smarter than he actually is. No offense. 9:45 Yeah, truly insightful. 10:25 'Kinky, degenerate smut' is pretty tautological. 10:44 SpyxFamily, Frieren, Power Rangers, Sailor Moon, man, you really are a complete casual. I'm gonna DM you a list of things to watch to get you out of that pitiful state. 11:30 'uncomfortable amount of detail'. Man sits down to watch smut. Complains about all the smut. Ok. I mean, it can still be lazy and shitty smut, but taking the explicit stuff off-screen won't help with a lack of interesting writing. This is not Tug-of-war. 12:00 That was... a joke. That Batman talks about the Joker to Robin awith the same terminology that you would describe a relationship. Dunno if ot's a meta-joke or if Batman's in on it, but it certainly is not a statement about how really, the superhero-/villain relationship is truly just like a romantic relationship if you just huff your farts long enough. I think it would help you a lot if you'd just start to look at things as they actually are before you go and try to be all pretentious about it. Especially if it's cartoons. Just sayin'. 14:00 I was gonna comment on how taht is not actually like the gun, cause taht is not what it means, but then I got tired of writing it midway through 14:11 Errr. Konosuba absolutely endorses rampant oversexualization. It also makes fun of it, sure, but of course the show is positive on having plenty of tits and ass in it. Kazuma's lechery(and also the show's in a wider sense) is funny because he is so blunt about it, but that doesn't mean that Konosuba thinks that oversexualization is a general issue. It is a point one can make and I'd even argue for, but Konosuba sure doesn't. 15:46 I dunno how you fomulated it this badly, but what he actually said is: "Putting in some lewd elements in your story is easy and always guarantee you some sales, while actually writing a good story is way harder. This is why echhi crops up everywhere", which I honestly wouldn't have understood if I didn't pause and read the comment myself. 15:52 "The worst something can be is boring" has always been nonsense. If something is just boring, a normie like you could still enjoy it. Actual fucking garbage is painful to watch, and potentially even harmful if it's some sophistry-loaded shitstain that'll just make people look stupid of they echo some cool-sounding statement form it. I'd rather take nothing added to the conversation over actual degredation. Overall, pretty wack. Go watch some of that good shit, then make videos on that. Then watch some of the bad shit, and make videos on that. Then you can think about approaching nuance.
@@ryangreen2493Guys makes counterpoint to his video. If you wanna be a brainless goysloo consumer then sure man. But the dude just challanged his vire
0:15 For all the crap that Hollywood has created, you have to remember that animation and Western works are not lost, they just became niches that come out of low countries whose language is normally Latin (Portuguese, French? Italian, etc.)To save your perception of the West. With THIS TREASURE I SUMMON! The Movie made by Marcell Jankovics called "The Tragedy Of Man", the movie can be found complete here in the youtube with english subtitles, this movie made me love western animations again.
familiarize yourself to the media are the key to enjoying them. late to the show and I agree with your essay and I also understand why some people (even "normies" in Japan and yes I'm not kidding) could feel uncomfortable from watching ecchi anime such as gushing over magical girl lol. there's many anime variant, and there's so many level from 0 - 100 where you could turning off your brain to just enjoy the show, and gushing over magical girl and of course konosuba is the among examples for that (and I enjoyed both). alas I thank you for made a non aggressive and self prejudice to something that other people likes. I can't wait for another essay video from your channel (of course I already watched the hazbin hotel essay)
Have you watched the Monogatari series? It has mild ecchi but the story is SO GOOD (even if the anime can't really translate how great the light novels are)
7:56 if that is the case i recommend you eminence in shadow, it also echi but if you had a bonne of edgyness when you where a kid this show will suprise you, even when you know what is going to happen it just keeps doubling it down.
I found myself wholeheartedly disagree with you, especially after you brought up Overlord as a more positive example. Imho good ecchi is one that embraces it's concept and not just tugs it on. Overlord had much less and much tamer ecchi than Gushing Over Magical Girls and it botheredme much more because it was 1 in the way of the story/plot and 2 inconsistent with the characters. In Magical girls perversion is the story and perversion are the characters. As for Utena's inner conflict about assaulting the magical girls she likes so much, I also don't see it as a problem. She did not need to grow out of it and become a hero. She was specifically chosen to be a villain because she is the way she is and over the season she came to accept it.
He's kinda hyperbolically overexaggerating it here, sure some ecchi scenes are taseless and others take away the flow but they barely last a minute at best, they hardly improve or destroy a character or an anime, they just fanservice, it's just they take many forms. I learned from watching anime over the decades to not be bothered by such trivial matter, just like how progressive scenes or political ones don't bother me either.
Haha. I may exegerate a little bit, but some of those scenes get extra wild where you can't really ignore it. There are shows that bombard you with the lewd scenes. And as I said, one can often look past that if the story is good, but sometimes there is just a very little amount of story
They often do take away from the flow, because their existence directly juxtaposes the rest of what’s going on in a scene and has no real worth. Ecchi and fan service can be fine if it falls in line with the tone, it’s just egregious when the situation is more serious and it doesn’t take the plot seriously. And some people just don’t like it which is fine.
@@MagmaSpacer And some people do like it which is also fine, i do agree that serious anime shouldn't be too loose with them but to not include them entirely ? It's like saying i don't like to see blood in Berserk and Berserk needs to cater to me. There will be things you enjoy in anime/manga and things you won't. Masterfully written shows knows when to present those elements and when not to.
@@Vert_GreenHeart The way I see it, Ecchi is basically just comedy but with provocative situations. Sometimes the joke is good, haha funny, and you can enjoy yourself. Not all comedy works for everyone just like how not all ecchi works for everyone. But just because you didn’t like a joke doesn’t mean you should remove all comedy, just like because you don’t like an example of fanservice it doesn’t need to be deleted from anime in its entirety. But in the same breath, if you have fanservice in a serious emotional situation it’s the same as having a bad joke. It’s not just because it’s fanservice in the situation, it was just like ill placed humor. Also, people can very well be uncomfortable with how most of the time the author deliberately uses underage girls for provocative situations. Yes they’re not real people, but none of this is real to begin with. If it’s not real then why purposefully slap the lowest denominator age for the characters? Either you like it or you don’t, but people call others soft or trying to alienate people just because they don’t like it. It’s stupid. People unironically call others tourists for just not liking fanservice. Yes you can argue that’s a different culture, but you can criticize and think parts of a culture is bad if you feel like it because people are different.
@@MagmaSpacer I don't think Ecchi is primarily comedy, look at Sekirei, or Ikkitousen for example. panties and nipples left and right but they never seem to be done for comedy sake. And about the age thing; that is subjective, there is just about anything really, from lôli looking girls to onee-san types to milfs. Like one of the shows i mentioned Sekirei's protagonist Musubi is a perfect overgrown schoolgirl in a miko outfit while Kusano is just downright a child. They try to cater to all kind of audience in one go, so sometimes it alienates others. Personally like i said in my original comment, i learned to enjoy almost everything, i don't care if its lôli or troony, i still find enjoyment out of it. You're still free to criticize as much as you want though, nobody can stop you from that but to demand change that's where people start fling that term "tourist" in hopes to gatekeep their entertainment from changing.
This is going to be a really, long comment, like REALLY long, but just know that this isn't a personal attack, just my thoughts after watching the video, so here we go: 13:08 "It also helps that ecchi elements are actually used for character development and actually have narrative consequences.: I STRONGLY disagree that characters that do perverted things suffer negative consequences in this show, Like how Kazuma is a perverted guy that does perverted things( he's also a lolicon) , but most of the time, the man doesn't suffer for these perverted actions specifically. For instance, when Kazuma steals panties from several women, Kazuma isn't fined or sent to prison for it .Yes, it is mentioned in a trial later on in season 2, but that was NOT why he was arrested for in the first place, which was for what the town thought that our protagonist was working for the Devil King, and what's crazier is even after that event, Kazuma will CONTINUE to steal women's panties in the future Another example, is when Kazuma was thought he had a dream of Darkness in the bathing room in season 1 and made her do suggestive and lewd things, which he NEVER really is punished for it. Sure, one would argue he got beat up in the scene after, but that was for defending a succubus, which is something most female in the world aren't fond of, and NOT for how he treated Darkness there, and even when Darkness finds out he wasn't controlled by the succubus and had her do those lewd stuff. Kazuma doesn't apologize for it. NOR does Darkness treatment him any differntly, even though she's CLEARLY embarrased by it. The ONLY time he gets beat up between season 1, 2, and the movie for being perverted is during the OVA, which as far as I'm aware is anime original, and isn't canon to the source material, which is the light novels. However, what we DO SEE Kazuma get consistently punished and trouble for is the damage he and his party caused, with the consequences being how he HAS to pay fees for damaging the city by accident, which has him drowning in debt, or that one incident of Kazuma being accused for working with the devil king. Finally, the show "Konosuba" isn't making fun of ecchi, but relishing in it. Heck alot of the female character designs are WAY more sexualized compared to the light novel, with Darkness, and Arue's boobs being WAY bigger in the anime compared to it's source material. Heck, I highly doubt many people saw the scene where Kazuma walks into the Succubus chop for the first time, and saw all those barely clothed sexy demons, and said yeah, the show is making fun of ecchi lol. No, Konosuba, is just as degenerate as the rest of the sub genre, and I love it for it. I also disagree that the show has character development, since most of the cast which the exception of maybe Kazuma are one dimensional, for instance, Darkness is a horny masochist, whose ENTIRE gag is how much pain can be conflicted on her, Aqua is mentally retarded, but absurdly powerful, and alot the situations the cast finds themselves in is because Aqua doesn't learn from her mistakes. And while it can be argues that each of the girls have arc that focus on them, there just as one dimensional by the end of it, as they were in the beginning. That said, I still found the show enjoyable though. 0:50 " I for one want to encourage people to give anime a shot, and not scare them off with the more cultured anime pics" I'm not seeing the problem here, since WHY should I care if normies aren't interested in the anime that I enjoy. This statement reminds me of when people are upset when there favorite work doesn't win an oscar or something, and to me that's stupid, since it comes across as you wanting to be VALIDATED by somebody. And using myself as an example, ALOT of the shows I like have fanservice in it, which is something many of my friends and family do not enjoy, and find it to be weird, BUT SO WHAT? I DON'T need their approval to enjoy a show, and that's beauty of anime, since it comes in MANY forms, and if someone who wants something less fanservicey like: "Frieren", "FUllmetal Alchemist", "FateZero" and "DragonBallZ' then I'll show them shows like that. That said, them not enjoying shows I like, like "Konosuba" doesn't affect MY PERSONAL enjoyment of it. And I really hate the idea of removing the ecchi elements of a show JUST to appeal to a wider audience, since you ALIENATE the existing audience who liked that work IN THE FIRST PLACE. Again, you have TONS of other options if you want to show them anime have to offer that doesn't have heavily sexualized female character designs, and boobs in face every two minutes. That said, I do I agree that there should be more of tag to let people know how much ecchi is in a show. So people not interested in it, won't set themselves for disappointment. my current top three ecchi for me currrently that set itself apart from the rest in how ridiculously over the top it was: 1. Konosuba 2.Highschool of the Dead ( the production values for this show was insane ,despite the focus being on boobs and ass, also the matrix gun boob scene is a famous scene for a reason) 3.Prison school ( simply for the pissing, and bottle scene, which was so ridiculous and raunchy I'll never forget it for the rest of my life, if you seen it you know lol ) One last thing I'll say is If you want shows that has fantastic writing in character development here is my current top ten anime where I feel most of these delivers: 1. Eureka Seven( best romance anime PERIOD, and one of the best heroes journey stories I've ever seen) 2. Fate Zero ( a fantastic battle royal type story where most of the cast develops in grows) 3. Madoka Magica ( a subversion of the magical girl genre, where are heroes when by the power of friendship. Dark as hell) 4. Toradora ( The BEST slice of life show currently, with tons of subversions of character tropes, like the tsundere, and plenty of character development for the main cast ) 5. Shiki ( a horror show about vampires killing humans, making you think your evil, but as the show goes on, you wonder if the humans are just as inhumane, as the vampires) 6.Evangelion ( you've seen it so I'm not going to go into detail here) 7. Cowboy Bebop ( a space western, with good fight choreography, and character growth for two of our main leads) 8.Deathnote ( battle of wits between a serial killer, who kills criminals in the name of justice, versus a detective who tries to track him down and bring him to justice) 9.Code Geass ( the writing here isn't the best, with things that don't make since hence why its at 9, but the character motivations were so compelling, I'm putting it on the list anyway lol) 10. Attack on Titan ( a story about humanity trying to survive against gigantic monsters known as Titans. The ending is controversial though )
I cant be agree with you, the thing is that you, as a western cant see the ecchi like the same extra that, for example you would see a joke in a serious story, its out of place too, but you are used to seeing that resource all the time so its ok, but we westers have a problem with sex, with eroticism, and in general we are ultra prudish thanks to Christianity and now feminism. yes some times not help the story, but its the same that jokes and other stuff, the problem is no "its there" the problem is "you did not add it well". The "boob not let me see the skY" in Fieren its a echi joke, like the other jokes that you can see in the story, but THAT joke was a problem for the wester wokes only because they are much more sensitized with the sexy stuff, but its more problematic that, for example, any of the jokes that Fieren have? no. The thing is that the "problem" with ecchi is the same problem that we have with the gore and the violence, Asiand put sex in everything, westers put violence and gore in everything, and you can see how asians have the same reaction that you are habing with the ecchi stuff because they are not used to that level of violence.
I agree. As I mentioned, it ecchi can come across as low-tier, degenerate smut if one is now aware of Japan's perspective on perversion. Much like all art, you have to appreciate it by better familiarising yourself with it and its origin. I do agree with you in regard to violence and gore, too. I would probably have very similar criticism if a movie showcases a huge amount of gore over narrative substance. I'd have very similar critiques about the Saw franchise. I understand there is a market for that, but I also think it is possible to make a good story and have fan-service.
@@RoamingTrend Interestingly I'm not aware of any Asian equivalent to the Saw films, where the gore IS the point of the film. There are a few very violent gory anime, like Blood the Last Vampire for instance, but even they tend to come across more as just not censoring or cleaning up the action than the gore actually being the point of them. They have a story - one that doesn't come across as just an excuse or afterthought simply to let them bathe in blood.
Why why why are allos so pathetic why ? Anyway I’m glad normal animation keeps normies bleached brain away from wanting to change it for their biases and so called « freedom ».
Tourists like ya are the problem with entertainment. Ya wanna get into a new medium but not it should change to suite your needs. It can't possibly just not be your thing. It is the problem that needs fixing.
Yeah. they bring up their cultures into another ones and complain why the cultures is question aren't aligned with their personal believes and such. They can simply ignore it like a normal person would. but instead they give 30 minutes long essay that are just complain porn
Ecchi shows are integral to anime and manga culture. They also keep tourists away from the medium. And yes there are ton of tourists aka people that want to change the actual medium to fit their biases and values. The people that are partially responsible for the destruction of Western comics and series. I started my anime journey by searching for anime with zombies. And we all know what got recommended to me. Yet that propelled me into a deeper dive into anime. Of course most anime newbies wouldn't actually be interested in watching ecchi but that was my experience. P.S. Gushing Over Magical Girls was known that it was gonna be a cultured anime and that's why people wanted to see it, so I don't know how that was out of your radar lol.
@@captainvanisher988 'And we all know what got recommended to me' - we're not all zombie experts, so no we don't. So what got recommended to you? I would guess either Sankarea, Kabaneri, High School of the Dead, The Empire of Corpses or Zombieland Saga. None of which are particularly bad shows to watch.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn High School of the Dead and yes when I am talking about ecchi zombie anime the answer is pretty obvious. I never said it was a bad show btw, I said it was out there.
@@captainvanisher988 Ah okay. Anyway, since you're a fan of zombies, one lesser known title you can check out is Sunday Without God. Rather an unusual take on the zombie subgenre.
i appreciate your takes! especially to new anime fans ecchi can be a massive turnaround for interest. i like your ability to pull from other media and create relative comparisons even from west to east. i will say, however, i didn't enjoy KLK. i'm generally not irritated by ecchi but because i didn't enjoy watching KLK the ecchi made it much more tedious on watch. somewhat mirrors to your thoughts on the magical girls anime, just in a different light.
I personally think Gushing Over Magical Girls is a good direction. and there is a point you missed. If you want anime to not be associated with ecchi than having shows be part ecchi is worse. Gushing Over Magical Girl is honest about what it is and who it is made for. If people coming into anime don't want to see that sort of thing they will have clear indicators it is there. If you just throw in some scenes in a show it can easily lead viewers frustrated as they get taken out of a show they were previously enjoying. Also if you are curious to ecchi series exploring things there is Interspecies Reviewers. The manga not the anime. Despite the premise the manga included very little graphic scenes where as the anime is pretty much straight hentai.
This whole video seems to be a big too focused on hating ecchi overall while shrouding it in "newbies shouldn't watch this stuff" clothing, which by all accounts they shouldn't. No other tags have are split into more descriptive categories like you're suggesting so this observation makes no sense. Trying to imply that an anime would be better than it was if we could shove in more episodes that aren't fan service related is to miss the point of the anime in the first place. They don't mainly exist for that purpose. They're a specific type of entertainment in the medium and that's why they're tagged as such. Anyways I enjoyed the video regardless even if we can't see eye to eye on ecchi in general. Keep up the great work!
I tried to be a lot more fair and balanced in this video when it comes to ecchi. I have mentioned that ecchi is an integral part of anime culture and I wouldn't try to remove it. I haven't investigated other tags yet whether they do need more separations. I think ecchi tag would benefit from it because there are way too many anime with some ecchi elements, but they are radically different for ecchi-focused anime. I think those would belong into separate categories cause they are appealing to different audiences and experiences. Just feels weird to have Vinland Saga and Interspecies Reviewers in the same category, no?
@@RoamingTrendVinland Saga and Interspecies Reviewers had different TV ratings so that seems a better guide for watching anime at least. I appreciate you toning things down when you didn't need to do that. Your opinion is your opinion and you're allowed to have it of course. I guess my whole point of commenting was just to say that you seemed to be coming at the thesis from two different POVs when you talk about "who is ecchi for" and then also talk about "ecchi ruins a good anime" if that makes sense. I'd love to see a vid that more deeply explores the latter just to see a unique POV on the subject.
Some people have reasons for disliking ecchi that isn't cultural so much as it is just moral. No matter how nuanced you are in "Japanese culture", degenerate smut is still degenerate smut, whether western styled or eastern. (remember, even in Japan, weebs are looked down upon)
It's totally ridiculous to say Gushing over Magical Girls is a "missed opportunity," to tell a different story. It was one of probably thousands of manga series that get made every year, it happened to get popular enough for a low budget anime to get made because someone thought they might be able to sell like 10k Blue Rays and make a profit. There are like 50 anime series that come out every season, if you don't like one there are plenty of other ones to watch. Also there is character growth in the show it's just that the character growth revolves around the character's sexuality. If you don't find that interesting that's fine but that doesn't mean it's not there. Also, you seem really confused, "Hentai" as a category isn't even in a thing in Japan, and mal just uses the content rating of a show to decide what category it goes in. The reason they "didn't just make a hentai" is they wouldn't be able to broadcast it on whatever channel it's on if they did. The reason it's tagged ecchi instead of "hentai" on mal is because of the content rating. The mal tag isn't something anyone involved in making the show was thinking about or even aware of at all when they were making it.
just let me say this. - unlike western, many people here not treat fiction as reality and no double standards either. - I have low interest with plot now because IRL job make my brain hurt and tired, so something like comedy or ecchi was better than watching western movie or serious theme anime. - Most male here not gay and still have interest with opposite sex so fanservice is not make things worse and actually can be the opposite. ・You should learn the differrence between: ℋentai, shounen, seinen, josei, shoujo, ecchi, smut, erotica. ・Not everyone into psychopath (violence) and kids show (pg13+- only).
uhh i somewhat disagree on the Gushing magical girl part. The show will explore more relationship between the magical girl and the villian group more and Uteha will play a more active roll in helping the magical girl unlocked their potential, granted if you only see like first 5 episode of anime. I can see why you didn't get that impression
maybe controversial but uh...I don't like sex stuff :/ Like when the focus is on ecchi or has high themes of ecchi yeah it makes sense why there's so much of it But fanservice (the bad ones) or sexism (that has no reason to be there at all) isn't...nessecary? And I mean ANY media, it's weird its useless and al it does it bring in the male/female gaze. ugh
I wouldn't worry about GoMG signifying any kind of trend. Few anime go as far as it does, as it both makes them controversial and also only works cos of shock factor (keep in mind that 'ecchi enjoyers' always have the option of actual hentai, so they don't need anime to go all the way). This is a strategy some anime use. They skirt the legal line between anime and hentai by not showing any genitals, but feature very sexual content. This allows them to bypass the hentai market - where, let's be honest, this show wouldn't stand a chance - in favor of making a big splash in the larger anime market. Interspecies Reviewers, Redo of Healer, GoMG - all are using this strat. But the strat only works cos of it being uncommon. Ecchi as a whole is common of course, but that's been the case for a long time. It's always been part of the anime landscape, and it hasn't resulted in an anime crisis like superhero movies have for Hollywood (btw Hollywood puts out plenty of non-superhero films as well, so it isn't suffering from a malaise so much as Marvel specifically is). One could also argue that ecchi itself represents a philosophical point - WHY do people get so upset at sexual content but barely to any other kind of content? Also just how much of this is cultural? Anime was successful even before it became popular elsewhere, so it'll be fine - instead the reaction to sexual content, especially in those '20% ecchi' shows, can very well be seen as a mirror to society. Lastly, since you brought up Kill la Kill as an example of sexual content being core to a shows' theme, perhaps consider looking at the works of Kunihiko Ikuhara. And specifically NOT Sailor Moon or Revolutionary Girl Utena, both of which have been discussed aplenty. Rather the even more sexual Yurikuma Arashi, Sarazanmai and Penguindrum. Tbh I don't much care for his oh-so-artsy approach that seems to care less for plot and logic than I'd like, but I can't deny there's some who dig that sort of thing. Maybe you're one of them?
"Hentai" is just a category in western anime, in Japan it's all "Ecchi," and the word "Hentai" just means "pervert" as in a person who is perverted, not a type of content. It's kind of ridiculous to say that "Anime" is getting "more perverted" when all "Hentai" is already part of Anime as far as the people who make and mostly buy it are concerned.
No. Many people love ecchi. It's just you prefer complex and innovative story. While others need their pervert part of themselves need to be unleashed or else people will get depressed
I have to disagree. This modern "Holier than thou" attitude of hating on fan-service and ecchi, or saying it detracts from a story, really is annoying. While certain titles maybe too much for some to handle, ecchi itself does not necessarily detract from the stories. 100 Girlfriends is a great example. There is plenty of fan-service and suggestive scenes, but also some very wholesome and heartwarming moments, and tons of comedy. All too often people can't look past what is on the screen when it comes to ecchi, or they can't separate FICTION from reality. Similarly, I couldn't stand all the "controversy" when the fist episode of Goblin Slayer came out, all the while missing the point of it being the quickest way of showing that there is ABSOLUTE EVIL in that world. You could argue that that scene didn't need to go on as long as it did to show that. I would argue that it was just as long as it needed to be to truly impact the audience and show the evil of the goblins. Not every anime needs to be like Frieren, or AOT. As for Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, everything you said about the hero's journey is there. It is not as in your face as the ecchi is, but it is there. You also completely miss the mark on Rudeus. I don't know how old you are, so you may not realize this. As one grows older changing aspects of their personality, breaking habits, or learning something new, becomes harder and harder. That being said, he was a porn addicted shut-in from high school (15-18) till his death in his mid to late thirties, if I remember correctly. He is a deeply flawed man, and I don't think anyone would deny that. What you somehow miss is that that same deeply flawed man's brain, is suddenly put into the body of a newborn with all memories, emotions, and yes, the flaws. To expect someone to change or drop those habits/flaws instantly in those circumstances is so laughable to the point it wouldn't even be done in a farce. There are some wounds that heal over time, and some that never heal.
I don't think I disagreed with that aspect of Rudeus. I agree that that's what Rudeus' character journey is. All the trauma and bad habits from the past life are stopping him from living happily in this new life, and his entire journey is about growing past those hurdles. I don't think I critiqued that part of the writing, so I don't know how I missed the mark? And I also agree with you about Mahou Shoujo. There are elements I wanted, which I also pointed out in the video. My critique was that they were too few and far in-between, which you also agree with. That's how I feel ecchi often overshadows a good story. They only needed to be more subtle and balance out the ecchi with story better, and they would have a much better written story than it is now. But again, that's what I wanted, they had different goals.
@@RoamingTrend"... though you still have to sit through Rudeus being a complete little pervert." This statement, and the following statement's use of "tries to justify" implies that watching Rudeus being a pervert was troublesome, or burdensome, and added nothing to the story. In the same way, the use of "could have also been a hero's journey for Utena" implies that those elements are not there. Now, I will admit my own poor choice in wording when I said: "It is not as in your face as the ecchi is, but it is there." I should have elaborated, as my view is the Utena's growth is all throughout the episodes, but it is a "slow burn". The subtlety is that that steps of her growth come out through the ecchi. All that being said, my annoyance at the disdain for ecchi still stands. Fan-service and ecchi or elements there of have ALWAYS been a apart of comics and animation. Examples include but are not limited to: the early Wonder Woman comics with heavy BDSM themes. Or Catwoman's original high cut double slit dress with a very deep v cut neckline. From the animation side look up "Red Hot Riding Hood" 1943 directed by Tex Avery. There are videos detailing all that was in Disney. Even The Powerpuff Girls (original) had Sara Bellum and Sedusa.
I like your points and agree completely. However, the whole discussion is fruitless. @RoamingTrend is a tourist in the anime world. He came here because Hollywood is unable to produce anything of worth and now, entering the anime land, he sees differences in culture and behavior and instead of acceptance, he want to change everything to his liking. He has no respect for anime or its history (big shoutout again for Lextorias and his informative videos about history of anime and in particular ecchi). I wonder, if Trend was ever in a different country and couldn't accept the culture there - or he may not understand that anime is not only a different art form (if this is the right word), but also a completely different medium. Yes, anime are films or videos like what Hollywood shows, but it's different, and it's great that it's so different. Trend will leave the anime space the moment Hollywood is not retarded anymore. And that is absolutely fine. @@the_great_lord_ilpalazzo
@@HadesYT134 I wouldn't call it fruitless, but I do see your point. However, we were all tourists at one point, so I try not to hold that against anyone. I have been watching anime since the late 80s/ early 90s (yes, I'm old) and I have had these sorts of conversations countless times. Now, I don't mind if ecchi or some other aspect of anime is disliked by someone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What concerns me, whether it be from a tourist or veteran weeb, is the "fan-service / ecchi bad" remarks. It reminds me too much of the satanic panic back in the 90s. If Trend is only here till Hollywood stops being retarded, he's here for at least another 10 years, lol.
This video really spoke to me. Discovering a new anime with a prompt that peeks my interest, just for it to devolve into mediocrity and the same story bits I've already seen dozens of times within the first few episodes, happened way too often to me and is probably one of the main reasons I barely watch anime nowadays. Even though I'd say that focusing on ecchi at the expense of the writing is just a symptom of the problem, which is writers not having the time to develop their stories in a meaningful way because they have to deliver 500 manga pages every other day.
As a fan of the gushing over magical girls manga, when i saw they were making an anime i was disappointed because it felt like what you said it was. While reading it , it began to shift focus on more ecchi and made me sad how little development happened for the mc and their friends.
Honestly, I don’t think the ecchi market is any more saturated than it was 10 years ago. I think it has been a long time since we hit the point of saturation.
the problem with western audience is they are gaslighted by feminist to view male sexuality as a negative thing, in most cultures sex jokes is viewed positively & not a big deal.
No..... I think the problem is more most ecchi scenes involve high school girls ablur 15 years old or even younger girls of 12 to 14, all which is illegal in America, and cns get us westerners thrown into jail, I think one year per video that can be classified as cp
I think the problem with your comparison of Mushoku Tensei to a hot springs scene is that his degeneracy is the reason the story happens at all. Sure, you can remove the degeneracy, but then what will be his purpose in life? Infact, I would like you to challenge yourself to write a better Mushoku Tensei without this.
I find more gratuitous stuff in tv tbh. Is just because of your american sensibility, Due to puritanism american are way more adverse to sexual things.
@RoamingTrend I like your videos until this one. This video is what contributes to the continued push for the westernisation of anime, manga, manhwa, and manhua. As well as the problems with localisers changing scripts to suit the conservative morals of some few viewers. I say few otherwise these genres wouldn't be selling as massively as they are. I honestly don't understand why you started watching anime if you can not stand the over dramatisation of both male and female body types? Moreover, in a lot of these shows it's not just about ecchi, usually it's about troupe to show growth in a character or straight up comedy.
Um? I didn't mention overdramatisation of male and female body types? I just don't like when ecchi is interfering with storytelling and making it hard for me to recommend it to people. Mushoku Tensei is one of those examples where the storytelling and animation is great, but you still have to deal with a pretty big amount of ecchi, which I don't think helps the show's overarching themes either. I'm confused by your last point. I pretty much said that in the video? O.o Are there specific points from the video you don't agree with? Seems like most of your complaints are directed somewhere else. I appreciate your subscription and hope to make more videos you like!
No, you didn't bring up over dramatisation of the male or female form I did but that's what I picked up from your video. Ecchi or not these characters are not made to look real or suit most audiences. At 16:25 you have "big booba = art?" This yet again is a trend of westernisation of anime, make everything suit a western ideals of non offensive, bland and boring. My problem with the video is it pushes the narrative that there is something wrong with Ecchi in the first place because it has its places. I believe you said that slightly in the video as you railed about how you can't stand Ecchi at all but each to their own. I just think this video adds to that whole problem of Japanese creators trying to please western markets because a few conservative consumers can't handle a bit of Ecchi every now and again. Additionally, have you read any of the Mushoku Tensei manga or LN? If so you might have added to your video you acknowledge that Ecchi is used in the story to show the main characters growth as they age throughout their lives. @@RoamingTrend
@Roaming sure, you have a (more) nuanced take than most western tourists. But this will only add fire to the fuel of tourists trying to ruin anime, like they did western entertainment. I say, do more ecchi, the more western people kept away the better. I KNOW, I know, _most_ people are fine. But since it takes a very small amount of people to ruin anything, there's no reason to take chances.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 westerners are not the ones making anime and they aren't running it. In fact, by separating ecchi better we will be able to preserve the culture of ecchi while also letting anime grow in popularity more
the moment i see your weird review on MAL I know you were probably working on something like this. Keep doing what you like ig, also don't believe too much in yourself
I am a sucker for any anime that had the villain point of view as the main point, like overlord and when i heard about gushing over magic girls i was all over that like flies on stink, but then the ecchi hit and its like what the hell am I watching, I still watch it hoping that the story will come though esp around episode 7 when they start going for the conclusion I personally was wondering how will they deal with the: "good guys always win"
Yeaaaah personally I just can't *get* into anime, and ecchi is only one of my many problems with them. Plainly said, I just don't *vibe* with its codes. The dialogues always feel awkward and not organic, and things like idiot hot-headed protagonists or power up through the power of friendship sound plain cringe to me. Not to mention the format of gradually getting more and more serialized to the point you need to watch like 4 episodes to get a full story mean I usually get bored of it halfway through. And that's not even getting into their approach of fantasy, where they tend to portray it as a bit too close to actual RPG mechanics for my taste, to the point it comes out as either unnatural or super generic to me. The art is good to look at i'll admit, but for me that only carries you so far - I am a plot and character over art kind of guy. Happy for people who enjoy them but I'll stick to superhero comics. Admittedly they got their own codes and cliché, but at least these ones amuse me personally more than they irritate me. "High quality entertainment," my foot!
lot of porn addicts in your comments damn. imo some ecchi has been comedic, *some* scenes and kill la kill have made me laugh but to call ecchi necessary and an integral part of the plot is so ignorant
I hate ecchi. Animes like Vinland Saga completely prooves that you don't need oversexualization (nor even sexualization in the first place) to make something good. Heck, even romance animes don't need sexualization stuff to be attractive. Sexuality is a normal thing, but I have how anime normally deals with it, usually in a very immoral and unnecessary way.
If you look at the Japanese indie comics scene or even the western fan fiction scene you might realize that a lot of authors like Ecchi stuff and don't just add it in cause sex sells.
I swear, people who watch type of show are probably the same that criticize Totally Spies. I get to criticize both!... Ecchi more because I didn't get Totally Spies until someone pointed it out (as I watched it as a kid.) I got what anime was about when I was a kid.
Ah, a film degree! That helps explain the excellent writing analysis. I think good screen writers are the best at creating tight, powerful stories that express the most with the fewest number of words. I just found your channel through the “Seven Sins” Hazbin video. I subbed right away. I’m writing long form stuff, which you can tell because I am wordy and redundant 😊
oh come on! get over it! you are not primary school student, there are anime with blood and body parts flying around what about those? pudding shake you feel bad, catch up is find. We usually discuss anime is not cartoon for kids.
To me, Mushoku is worse than the classic ecchi. The anime/story portrays the scenes in which the protagonist tries to do sexual things with underage characters. It's just disgusting how these scenes aren't shown as if Rudeus is doing something terrible, and often finds an excuse for it to happen or even plays it off as a joke. The anime talks about him wanting to improve as a person, but when he does something obviously terrible, he's not shown as the terrible guy, it's something very frustrating.
so many thinking MiA is "deep end" just makes me sadder and sadder. it's an incredibly shallow show that failed its premise and is now living on the sole pillar of edgy gore. but it's the anime community, where animes with good storytelling are rarely ever popular, so i guess i expected too much
Hate this take. Clearly this is not for you, not everything has to be the highest art. Sometimes writers just want to write smut, did you know that? You can also like both, I read classic lit and other times some trashy ecchi manga. Got to wonder how the first version of this video was.
@@RoamingTrend I know this is 4 months old, Do you know what the author thought to say this? Just because it's not in the way you want, you really just assumes it in a negative way.
Man, if you think Mushoku Tensei gets a bit weird with the way it does its ecchi NOW, wait'll you learn what that video he was watching in his room in the first ep was. ...At least, in the original webnovel. He had hidden a camera in a bathroom to catch video of his 7 (I think?) year old niece. People always say it's his redemption story, but nobody seems to know how exactly he actually redeems himself. I didn't learn about the niece thing until I was well into it, and I eventually got too disgusted to keep watching.
> ...At least, in the original webnovel. He had hidden a camera in a bathroom to catch video of his 7 (I think?) year old niece. Damn I see why his relatives threw him out. I just assumed it was some fucked up Hentai or something, lol.
I think this is very good advice. I got started with a bunch of low fanservice deep story animes and had a great time. Then I kept running into etchi this etchi that and stopped watching anime altogether. I can't imagine all the interesting stories I could have totally missed if my experience was flipped as I'd have never have gotten anywhere with anime at all.
I think I have watched three ecchi anime in my life. Two of them I hate because they were straight up 18+ and the only real motivation I had for watching them was a desire for stimulation but there was one ecchi I never wish to recommend to anybody but sincerely enjoyed. It was an emotionally and psychologically deep romantic drama with emphasis on the role of sex in romance and what's the difference between lust and love. They never used it when it wasn't necessary and always made it mean something with regards to the relationships of the characters. But yeah, unless it's only a small part of an otherwise great anime, I don't want to touch the ecchi again.
I enjoy My Dressup Darling, but I seriously wish there was like... a Christian edit lol My wife finds it annoying, meanwhile she's watching "Bridgerton" with has a s3x scene every damn episode lol, she's self-aware of the hypocrisy. We just wish shows weren't like this
I've been watching anime since 2015 in my last year of school and I remember there were a lot of echhi anime around this time. Nowadays anime has become less horny since those times. Currently you can watch anime for the stories, animation and characters.
yep, fan service was way often used and it was more explicit. This season of Mahou Shoujo is such a great and beloved show because of the fan service and the fact that it's even more than in the manga. Nearly all anime cut out fan service compared to their manga version and the typical anime fan is glad that it's not the case at least for once.
Ecchi "shots" are much less offensive in manga than in anime. In manga there's a pic and you take however long you want with it(be it a split second or 5mins), in anime, when the show itself lingers on some panties for 10 seconds, not only does it kill the flow of the scene, but also it's against your will so it feels much creepier. This is big part of why I am for the most part a "manga only" weeb. edit: Also Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete is much better when you read the mangaka's previous manga. One is a cutie alien outcast making friends over food, the other is an friendless alienated girl subjecting the world to her depravity.
I watched the Gushing Over Magical Girls because I saw the synopsis from one of those anime synopsis channels. I got as much as you did and was like "someone who adores magical girls accepts to be one but is actually a villain, that sounds awesome." I was not prepared for that anime in the slightest.
If they didn't mention it was lewd at all, I would recommend disliking and blocking them. On the other hand, I don't know if its worth it to tell you, but there is an interesting story there.
I watched it, it’s really not that out there as I was expecting it to be, if people think that’s super out there they must be new to Anime or don’t know it very well because 90’s Anime was way more wilder and adult, Highschool DxD is like a kiddy pool compared to those anime’s back then.
When I was around 20 years old I decided to basically cut anime, after being an avid consumer for many years. Because of this. I can't watch most anime nowadays. I used to think Evangelion was the best thing, now I can't watch it. I just can't.
I don't think konosuba is criticizing ecchi in anime, it just tries to do it in a funny over the top way, but in the end its not saying anything bad about it.
Tbh, that's all of konosuba, it's just deadpool for Isekai anime, mentioning the trope, then doing nothing with it
Yeah, this video is bad
The funny part is that I think a lot of the "so bad its funny" ecchi in Konosuba is not as intentional as people think. The studio that animated Konosuba, Studio Deen, are known for So Bad its Good, because they have always been an underdog studio with... lower budget. Many Deen shows are among my all time favorite anime, but most Deen shows have plenty of laughable moments. These are the guys who made "People die when they are killed" or the hilarious CG dragon from the original Fate, or the original Higurashi, which spawned the "Higurashi face meme" cause they're always shakin around haha
@@thatonelucariofan503 making up shit and saying crap now
This is like when people said loli requiem was critical of lolicons. People cope so hard.
I disagree with you concerning the comparsion between Spider-man 2 and Rudeus. Peter was doubting the path of a superhero and whether its worth it because of all the difficulty it brings. He can't be with the girl he likes, he misses school and can't properly work a part-time job and can't pay rent. All of it is draining him and thus his powers are fluctuating because maybe he doesn't need to be spiderman climbing those walls. Its about doubt and selflessness having a deep cost.
Rudeus in season 2 wasn't really questioning his path but questioning his worth. He lost Eris and his confidence as a man, he is depressed and lonely. He isn't questioning whether he should continue looking for his mother but rather whether he can and is able to endure the hardship along the way.
Rudeus' story is about not giving up on one-self despite being dealt a bad hand. Most isekai are power fantasy but Rudeus isn't overpowered despite being strong. He nearly died against Orsted, Ruijerd had to take care of him on his way back from the Demon continent and he nearly lost against Galeus the North Saint. Rudeus is never allowed to have it all, he is always lacking in some way. He is a good looking young man and a strong adventurer but can't take advantage of that as he can't connect with women despite really wanting to and that leaves him lacking in self-worth. His ED is a result of that. If not for that then he would have gotten together with Sara and everything would work out for him. His ED is very relevant to the plot. Do I think it was the best way to do it, perhaps not but in Rudeus' case his power isn't meant to be an allegory for real life issues but rather its the fact that his power can't protect him from real lieve issues like self-doubt, trauma and depression.
Rudeus and Peter are fundamentally different. Rudeus beleives that Eris left him because she dislikes him while Peter knows that Mary Jane loves him back but he can't be with her because of his Spiderman persona.
Rudeus doubts his capabilities and underrates himself, the LN goes in to it more, while Peter is a genius at school but misses out because of his lack of attendance.
Peter knows he is capable and can live the good life if he quit being Spiderman, that is his dilemma. While Rudeus doesn't know if things will be okay no matter what he does and every step he takes scares him and adds to his anxiety.
The video is so bad lol
Pointless wall of text. Both stories are trash.
I kind of feel like Rudy's ED was caused by the Man God messing with him in order to get him on the "path" he wanted. Even though he felt bad he never had any trouble getting it up as a shut-in NEET. Being depressed doesn't cause ED. It's really mostly caused by physiological issues in older men (not enough blood flow, which is why Viagra fixes it). Honestly I kind of feel like the ED plotline was just something the author put in because it's like a rule that protagonists in Anime never get laid and he couldn't think of a more reasonable way to make that happen lol. (I realize it started out as a light novel but I guess the same rules apply. It's like they think readers/viewers can't relate to an MC that gets any action).
@@takanara7 It's just garbage, and its "author" is a hack.
@@takanara7he literally had sex with eris before getting ed, what are you talking about
As someone who made 5 video essays on Kill la Kill's approach to fanservice and sexuality in art, I confirm my mom still thinks it's only for degenerates.
The sad thing is, the more you try to justify it, the more degenerate you appear. :D
That because it is lol
Interestingly, the video mentioned enjoying Overlord, which saddens me, as a fan of the source material( that being the light novels) I hated it , since IMO I I felt the anime adaption was terrible, and many Overlord anime only fans won't truly experience all the magic the light novel series has to offer, since Overlord is love by many light novel fans for these primary reasons:
1)Main villain as a protagonist - Unlike most isekai shows where the main character is morally good for the most part, Ainz is UNDOUBTEDLY a villain, since one of his goals is to try to dominate this new world. For instance, in Season 1 when Ainz was prepared to murder Niferea in when his identity as Momon was almost found out. Another example, is the UNPROVOKED attack on the lizard men led by Ainz in season 2 that cost countless lives for their species, and it was all done for experimentation for Ainz, it's also worth keeping in mind that the ONLY reason that Ainz decided to show mercy to the Lizardmen was due to Coctyus's request, which led to the situation we are in now where the Lizardmen aren't following Ainz now out of love, but fear, since they know first hand what he and his army of Nazarick are capable of, and we see more of that fear being shown from them in the later volumes. Next, is the attack on Re Estize kingdom led by Demiruge, which again, similar to the Lizardman was an UNPROVOKED attack led by Ainz crew that caused the death of not only countless soldiers of the kingdom, but men AND children as well. Heck, Demiurge kidnaps women and FORCES them to cross breed with other species for experimentation, which is essentially rape, and Ainz will NEVER actively punish him for it, since in the Light Novel he's stated time and time again that the denizens of Nazarick will ALWAYS have more value then the people of this new world. So here we have protagonist that's caused genocide for his own SELFISH reasons, and will CONTINUE TO DO SO in future arcs, and has subordinates that aren't above doing more bad things, such as rape ( Demiurge, and Shalltear fall into this rape category, though over 90% of the denizens of Nazarick are evil beings that enjoy the suffering of humans, just don't rape them with a few exceptions like Sebas who is morally good) so all this effectively makes Ainz a dictator on the same level as Hitler. However, what seperates Ainz from MANY other villains in fiction is that he isn't one dimensional as we see the man show compassion for those around him, even if it's primarily reserve with those in Nazarick, and he also has flaws in the fact that he struggles to be a competant leader for them, Making him a complex villain, up there with Griffith. It's a change of pace to what I usually see and it's glorious.
2) Foreshadowing- Many of the major events are set up in earlier parts of the story like how Ninya's death at the hands of Clementine played a role in Ainz rare act of compassion to someone outside of Nazarick in sparing Tuare is a great example of this. And there were many foreshadowing threads in season 3 season that will play a MAJOR role in future arcs, Seriously, I'll never forget reading the predictions people made in earlier volumes, with MANY of them being spot on in the more recent volumes due to all the seeds the author planted in those earlier volumes, which is great story telling.
3) world building- I could write an essay on how much world building was axed from the anime, and I don't know where to start so I won't bother lol.
Personally I feel the anime fails at most of this since ALOT of the character moments are either brushed over or are outright glossed over, and that's in addition to skipping MANY of the world building elements. You KNOW it's bad when whenever there's a reaction video of Overlord on youtube, you have people in the comments of said videos writing LITERAL paragraphs explaining what was skipped on EACH episode, not as a whole season, and episode per video. It's bad. Then there's the animation itself, which there isn't much to speak of, and that's not even mentioning the god awful CGI.
Overall, a terrible adaption, which is a shame because the light novels are so good, and REALLY dark in terms of tone, for instance, like going into more detail about Demiurge's breeding experiments ( many of the denizens of Nazarick are aware of this by the way, they just don't care that he's doing it, since they consider humans to be inferior to them), and Shalltear's weird and horrifying sexual fantasies ( she enjoys sexually assaulting women), or Ainz lack of sympathy for humanity as a whole, and how that's explored when he commits genocide. And the books go into far more detail on all of this.
It's to the point that I feel that anime fans, and light novel fans are getting entirely different experiences.
not sure if I'd say konosuba critiques oversexualization in anime....but it is still one of the best uses of ecchi in a show for sure
Being a parody already evokes a level of critique of the genre, but I think the biggest tell is its nontitillating depiction of lewd themes. The absurd and over-the-top ways it showcases ecchi scenes evoke humor, like a caricature of anime that does it for genuine titillation.
@@RoamingTrend I guess I see critique as implying that it's bad, imo Konosuba utilizes it for a different purpose but in the end it's still definitely an ecchi show. I'd say Konosuba is a critique of the isekai genre, but not necessarily ecchi
@RoamingTrends Language does funny things. Konosuba is definitely parody (the anime that popularized comedy isekai and gave birth to a new genre full of awful shows that fail to imitate the formula)... but we were talking about laguage.
Is parody equivalent to critique? Is Konosuba pointing at tropes or laughing at clichés? Is celebrating the absurdity of the genre or making fun of it?
"The best satire is indistinguishable from the real thing", only the author would be able to confirm any intentionality and everything else would fall into the realms of speculation. My take is that Konosuba wether critique or not on the genre, it employs its setting nearly perfectly to deliver one of the best comedy anime I've ever seen.
@@RoamingTrend Joking about it and including it are not mutually exclusive.
I use a hot spring scene in my romantacy book, but it's extremely mild in the "ecchi". It's a moment of vulnerability when the protag reveals his past as a former slave, then confessing his growing feelings for his love interest.
Not anime, but I was inspired by such, and tried to shift away from the stereotypes.
Sex in media sells, watch any american horror movie or even tv dramas and you will see a bunch of gratuitous sex scenes that don't serve the plot at all. In the end people see ecchi in a different light because of the cultural differences. Japanese people also see western shows as overly sexual, although unlike westerns they are less prone to criticize different cultures.
heavy tf2
Sex only sells when theres nothing to offer
Ya Japanese folk aren't judgmental at all lol they totally don't have MODERN DAY SEGREGATION or anything like that :P
I personally disagree with the mushoku tensei and No Game No Life stuff, but I fully understand why you have that opinion and I will respect that. Also I 100% would NOT recommend it to someone unless they are already deep into anime and ecchi and are willing to delve deep into the lore and characters of the world
absolutely agree here. And Trend is new, these shows are nothing for him. That's normal. If he really watches anime in a year or 2, his opinion will change.
Pretty sure that No Game one was the anime that broke my will to watch anime, haven't watched any in years after experiencing like an episode and a half maybe of that.
me waiting for NGNL season 2
@@HadesYT134
Depends. I have watched anime for years, even loved ecchi and harem animes when I was younger. As I have grown, it started to turn me off, mostly the ones that were minors, because I wasnt a minor anymore. Im an adult and though i still love cartoons and animated shows of all kinds, shows that have fetishes and ecchi makes me roll my eyes a bit because, I grew out of it and realized how gross it is. But that is just my opinion on the topic.
If you are critical of media, you will not watch what you are not into and you will watch what you are into, despite the quality of writing and animation. Everyone has their taste and we are human, no one is safe from their desires lol
@@MadArtillery
If you like writing and animation, cutting off anime will be your fall.
Every industry has their shitty stuff, including anime. I recommend watching Dungeon Meshi, if you love to analyse themes and worlds. Doesnt have much fanservice, other than for a dwarf dude and its great.
But that is if you have a passion for writing. Anime can be filled with amazing writing. To cut off any resource is not a smart move.
I am reading a lot of comments that aren't taking his criticism in the same direction. He is not saying Ecchi needs to be removed or its all bad, he is saying it is overpowering and not for everyone. People starting their journey in discovering anime should start lightly and grow their tolerance to it. He knows there is an audience who indulges in its facets but his approach is for the average Joe who has little to no expectations. He is giving his take on the genre himself but that is his opinion and taste on the matter. Its okay to disagree but don't say he is wrong to feel that way, just respectfully disagree.
A lot of stuff he said about some ecchi anime was objectively wrong tho, like how Konusuba " makes fun of " ecchi
That doesn't excuse poor research. Like the Konosuba point above.
A thing I really disagree with he talks about it being overpowering but then talks about including just some of it in shows.
A person going into anime can just avoid Gushing Over Magical Girls as at a glance they can tell it is not for them.
When an anime just randomly throws in scenes here and there that becomes much harder. It can lead viewers into feeling they got tricked into watching something.
noobs Ecchi is (as I twirl my mustache wearing a monocle and top hat) Tag of refined culture and taste
Idk how much of Gushing over came out when this video was made but I want to make the point it is a very interesting message how she makes people around her grow themselves out of her sadism. She kinda acts like necessary evil making people stronger, more honest to each other
While I was also disappointed over GoMG being so echi, keep in mind the manga is marked as erotica so it was expected, but I'd rather it be made than not cause it still shows a level of creative freedom. western stuff just seems overly constrained at this point, making it difficult to find something I can enjoy. While I'm also happy that anime is more popular it also proved that I'm not universally against gatekeeping as instead of just dropping a show and finding something else they like some people will fight for it to be what they want it to be or go out of their way to attack shows in genre's that they just don't like. people like that should be gatekept and ridiculed because some people don't know how to mind their own business.
0:50
Nah, I agree. Normies, get out. That's how we wound up with 5000 shit isekai to begin with.
1:22
Well, 'translates' isn't quite accurate, but the finer don't matter that much, boils down to something similar. Still not the best choice of word.
1:58
Romance or Comedy do not have a setting as well. It's just a bunch of descriptors to roughly outline what is in the thing. The destinction between genre and tag is arbitrary.
2:20
Finer deistinction is laways appreciated, I agree. Goes for other genre as well. Maybe a slider system would be helpful.
3:10
Dub, Cringe.
Also, I don't think you need all that clip to make the point, but sure, if you think it's funny.
4:25
Good that ou brought it up yourself, I almost forgot. But yes, not different. Saying that this is 'unique japanese culture' and their quirky outlook on sexuality and stuff. It's really not.I'm pretty tired of the weeb-ism of saying 'muh japan' when nothing in anime is something that could'nt have come from anywhere else. It's not harmful, just a useless and not even accurate statement that draws a pointless disctinction. People are people no matter where.
-7:20
Bizarre statement. Saying that this could be an allegory for erectile dysfunction is opening the door where anything can be everything(and honestly reeks of desperately wanting to say something smart). If a story wants to talk about a man struggling with not being able to sexually deliver, it should do that. Who the fuck thinks it's 'a more interesting way to explore that topic' to instead tell a completely different story about completely different things, but it also has someone losing some ability in some way, so it's basically allegorical. Like c'mon, you know that's retarded.
7:50
No. No, it is not. Not from what you've just told me at least, I have not watched it. If the story was always about the man having a screwed outlook on sexuality, the show boing about taht is not the same as shoving boobs into something that is utterly unrelated. A statement like "it usally does storytelling well, but it also talks about sex" really just says " I dont wanna hear about sex", which to be fair, you also basically admit. But then why even bring it up.
8:10
My brother in christ, you are not an anime art snob. You watch dub. You are just a regular idiot who thinks he's smarter than he actually is. No offense.
9:45
Yeah, truly insightful.
10:25
'Kinky, degenerate smut' is pretty tautological.
10:44
SpyxFamily, Frieren, Power Rangers, Sailor Moon, man, you really are a complete casual. I'm gonna DM you a list of things to watch to get you out of that pitiful state.
11:30
'uncomfortable amount of detail'. Man sits down to watch smut. Complains about all the smut. Ok.
I mean, it can still be lazy and shitty smut, but taking the explicit stuff off-screen won't help with a lack of interesting writing. This is not Tug-of-war.
12:00
That was... a joke. That Batman talks about the Joker to Robin awith the same terminology that you would describe a relationship. Dunno if ot's a meta-joke or if Batman's in on it, but it certainly is not a statement about how really, the superhero-/villain relationship is truly just like a romantic relationship if you just huff your farts long enough.
I think it would help you a lot if you'd just start to look at things as they actually are before you go and try to be all pretentious about it. Especially if it's cartoons. Just sayin'.
14:00
I was gonna comment on how taht is not actually like the gun, cause taht is not what it means, but then I got tired of writing it midway through
14:11
Errr. Konosuba absolutely endorses rampant oversexualization. It also makes fun of it, sure, but of course the show is positive on having plenty of tits and ass in it. Kazuma's lechery(and also the show's in a wider sense) is funny because he is so blunt about it, but that doesn't mean that Konosuba thinks that oversexualization is a general issue. It is a point one can make and I'd even argue for, but Konosuba sure doesn't.
15:46
I dunno how you fomulated it this badly, but what he actually said is: "Putting in some lewd elements in your story is easy and always guarantee you some sales, while actually writing a good story is way harder. This is why echhi crops up everywhere", which I honestly wouldn't have understood if I didn't pause and read the comment myself.
15:52
"The worst something can be is boring" has always been nonsense. If something is just boring, a normie like you could still enjoy it. Actual fucking garbage is painful to watch, and potentially even harmful if it's some sophistry-loaded shitstain that'll just make people look stupid of they echo some cool-sounding statement form it. I'd rather take nothing added to the conversation over actual degredation.
Overall, pretty wack. Go watch some of that good shit, then make videos on that. Then watch some of the bad shit, and make videos on that. Then you can think about approaching nuance.
The fact that you are going so far in defending ecchi shows the problem
@@ryangreen2493 ... I didn't though. I even said that I'd argue for rampart oversexualization being a problem.
Ecchi is dogshit and always makes a show worse, every show without it is better than every show with it.
@@ryangreen2493Guys makes counterpoint to his video. If you wanna be a brainless goysloo consumer then sure man. But the dude just challanged his vire
@@ryangreen2493 Problem for who? Who cares what prudes think?
0:15 For all the crap that Hollywood has created, you have to remember that animation and Western works are not lost, they just became niches that come out of low countries whose language is normally Latin (Portuguese, French? Italian, etc.)To save your perception of the West. With THIS TREASURE I SUMMON! The Movie made by Marcell Jankovics called "The Tragedy Of Man", the movie can be found complete here in the youtube with english subtitles, this movie made me love western animations again.
familiarize yourself to the media are the key to enjoying them.
late to the show and I agree with your essay and I also understand why some people (even "normies" in Japan and yes I'm not kidding) could feel uncomfortable from watching ecchi anime such as gushing over magical girl lol.
there's many anime variant, and there's so many level from 0 - 100 where you could turning off your brain to just enjoy the show, and gushing over magical girl and of course konosuba is the among examples for that (and I enjoyed both).
alas I thank you for made a non aggressive and self prejudice to something that other people likes.
I can't wait for another essay video from your channel (of course I already watched the hazbin hotel essay)
Have you watched the Monogatari series?
It has mild ecchi but the story is SO GOOD (even if the anime can't really translate how great the light novels are)
7:56 if that is the case i recommend you eminence in shadow, it also echi but if you had a bonne of edgyness when you where a kid this show will suprise you, even when you know what is going to happen it just keeps doubling it down.
I found myself wholeheartedly disagree with you, especially after you brought up Overlord as a more positive example. Imho good ecchi is one that embraces it's concept and not just tugs it on. Overlord had much less and much tamer ecchi than Gushing Over Magical Girls and it botheredme much more because it was 1 in the way of the story/plot and 2 inconsistent with the characters. In Magical girls perversion is the story and perversion are the characters.
As for Utena's inner conflict about assaulting the magical girls she likes so much, I also don't see it as a problem. She did not need to grow out of it and become a hero. She was specifically chosen to be a villain because she is the way she is and over the season she came to accept it.
He's kinda hyperbolically overexaggerating it here, sure some ecchi scenes are taseless and others take away the flow but they barely last a minute at best, they hardly improve or destroy a character or an anime, they just fanservice, it's just they take many forms. I learned from watching anime over the decades to not be bothered by such trivial matter, just like how progressive scenes or political ones don't bother me either.
Haha. I may exegerate a little bit, but some of those scenes get extra wild where you can't really ignore it. There are shows that bombard you with the lewd scenes. And as I said, one can often look past that if the story is good, but sometimes there is just a very little amount of story
They often do take away from the flow, because their existence directly juxtaposes the rest of what’s going on in a scene and has no real worth. Ecchi and fan service can be fine if it falls in line with the tone, it’s just egregious when the situation is more serious and it doesn’t take the plot seriously. And some people just don’t like it which is fine.
@@MagmaSpacer And some people do like it which is also fine, i do agree that serious anime shouldn't be too loose with them but to not include them entirely ? It's like saying i don't like to see blood in Berserk and Berserk needs to cater to me.
There will be things you enjoy in anime/manga and things you won't. Masterfully written shows knows when to present those elements and when not to.
@@Vert_GreenHeart The way I see it, Ecchi is basically just comedy but with provocative situations. Sometimes the joke is good, haha funny, and you can enjoy yourself. Not all comedy works for everyone just like how not all ecchi works for everyone. But just because you didn’t like a joke doesn’t mean you should remove all comedy, just like because you don’t like an example of fanservice it doesn’t need to be deleted from anime in its entirety.
But in the same breath, if you have fanservice in a serious emotional situation it’s the same as having a bad joke. It’s not just because it’s fanservice in the situation, it was just like ill placed humor.
Also, people can very well be uncomfortable with how most of the time the author deliberately uses underage girls for provocative situations. Yes they’re not real people, but none of this is real to begin with. If it’s not real then why purposefully slap the lowest denominator age for the characters? Either you like it or you don’t, but people call others soft or trying to alienate people just because they don’t like it. It’s stupid. People unironically call others tourists for just not liking fanservice.
Yes you can argue that’s a different culture, but you can criticize and think parts of a culture is bad if you feel like it because people are different.
@@MagmaSpacer I don't think Ecchi is primarily comedy, look at Sekirei, or Ikkitousen for example. panties and nipples left and right but they never seem to be done for comedy sake.
And about the age thing; that is subjective, there is just about anything really, from lôli looking girls to onee-san types to milfs. Like one of the shows i mentioned Sekirei's protagonist Musubi is a perfect overgrown schoolgirl in a miko outfit while Kusano is just downright a child. They try to cater to all kind of audience in one go, so sometimes it alienates others.
Personally like i said in my original comment, i learned to enjoy almost everything, i don't care if its lôli or troony, i still find enjoyment out of it. You're still free to criticize as much as you want though, nobody can stop you from that but to demand change that's where people start fling that term "tourist" in hopes to gatekeep their entertainment from changing.
This is going to be a really, long comment, like REALLY long, but just know that this isn't a personal attack, just my thoughts after watching the video, so here we go:
13:08 "It also helps that ecchi elements are actually used for character development and actually have narrative consequences.:
I STRONGLY disagree that characters that do perverted things suffer negative consequences in this show, Like how Kazuma is a perverted guy that does perverted things( he's also a lolicon) , but most of the time, the man doesn't suffer for these perverted actions specifically. For instance, when Kazuma steals panties from several women, Kazuma isn't fined or sent to prison for it .Yes, it is mentioned in a trial later on in season 2, but that was NOT why he was arrested for in the first place, which was for what the town thought that our protagonist was working for the Devil King, and what's crazier is even after that event, Kazuma will CONTINUE to steal women's panties in the future Another example, is when Kazuma was thought he had a dream of Darkness in the bathing room in season 1 and made her do suggestive and lewd things, which he NEVER really is punished for it. Sure, one would argue he got beat up in the scene after, but that was for defending a succubus, which is something most female in the world aren't fond of, and NOT for how he treated Darkness there, and even when Darkness finds out he wasn't controlled by the succubus and had her do those lewd stuff. Kazuma doesn't apologize for it. NOR does Darkness treatment him any differntly, even though she's CLEARLY embarrased by it. The ONLY time he gets beat up between season 1, 2, and the movie for being perverted is during the OVA, which as far as I'm aware is anime original, and isn't canon to the source material, which is the light novels. However, what we DO SEE Kazuma get consistently punished and trouble for is the damage he and his party caused, with the consequences being how he HAS to pay fees for damaging the city by accident, which has him drowning in debt, or that one incident of Kazuma being accused for working with the devil king. Finally, the show "Konosuba" isn't making fun of ecchi, but relishing in it. Heck alot of the female character designs are WAY more sexualized compared to the light novel, with Darkness, and Arue's boobs being WAY bigger in the anime compared to it's source material. Heck, I highly doubt many people saw the scene where Kazuma walks into the Succubus chop for the first time, and saw all those barely clothed sexy demons, and said yeah, the show is making fun of ecchi lol. No, Konosuba, is just as degenerate as the rest of the sub genre, and I love it for it. I also disagree that the show has character development, since most of the cast which the exception of maybe Kazuma are one dimensional, for instance, Darkness is a horny masochist, whose ENTIRE gag is how much pain can be conflicted on her, Aqua is mentally retarded, but absurdly powerful, and alot the situations the cast finds themselves in is because Aqua doesn't learn from her mistakes. And while it can be argues that each of the girls have arc that focus on them, there just as one dimensional by the end of it, as they were in the beginning. That said, I still found the show enjoyable though.
0:50 " I for one want to encourage people to give anime a shot, and not scare them off with the more cultured anime pics"
I'm not seeing the problem here, since WHY should I care if normies aren't interested in the anime that I enjoy. This statement reminds me of when people are upset when there favorite work doesn't win an oscar or something, and to me that's stupid, since it comes across as you wanting to be VALIDATED by somebody. And using myself as an example, ALOT of the shows I like have fanservice in it, which is something many of my friends and family do not enjoy, and find it to be weird, BUT SO WHAT? I DON'T need their approval to enjoy a show, and that's beauty of anime, since it comes in MANY forms, and if someone who wants something less fanservicey like: "Frieren", "FUllmetal Alchemist", "FateZero" and "DragonBallZ' then I'll show them shows like that. That said, them not enjoying shows I like, like "Konosuba" doesn't affect MY PERSONAL enjoyment of it. And I really hate the idea of removing the ecchi elements of a show JUST to appeal to a wider audience, since you ALIENATE the existing audience who liked that work IN THE FIRST PLACE. Again, you have TONS of other options if you want to show them anime have to offer that doesn't have heavily sexualized female character designs, and boobs in face every two minutes. That said, I do I agree that there should be more of tag to let people know how much ecchi is in a show. So people not interested in it, won't set themselves for disappointment.
my current top three ecchi for me currrently that set itself apart from the rest in how ridiculously over the top it was:
1. Konosuba
2.Highschool of the Dead ( the production values for this show was insane ,despite the focus being on boobs and ass, also the matrix gun boob scene is a famous scene for a reason)
3.Prison school ( simply for the pissing, and bottle scene, which was so ridiculous and raunchy I'll never forget it for the rest of my life, if you seen it you know lol )
One last thing I'll say is If you want shows that has fantastic writing in character development here is my current top ten anime where I feel most of these delivers:
1. Eureka Seven( best romance anime PERIOD, and one of the best heroes journey stories I've ever seen)
2. Fate Zero ( a fantastic battle royal type story where most of the cast develops in grows)
3. Madoka Magica ( a subversion of the magical girl genre, where are heroes when by the power of friendship. Dark as hell)
4. Toradora ( The BEST slice of life show currently, with tons of subversions of character tropes, like the tsundere, and plenty of character development for the main cast )
5. Shiki ( a horror show about vampires killing humans, making you think your evil, but as the show goes on, you wonder if the humans are just as inhumane, as the vampires)
6.Evangelion ( you've seen it so I'm not going to go into detail here)
7. Cowboy Bebop ( a space western, with good fight choreography, and character growth for two of our main leads)
8.Deathnote ( battle of wits between a serial killer, who kills criminals in the name of justice, versus a detective who tries to track him down and bring him to justice)
9.Code Geass ( the writing here isn't the best, with things that don't make since hence why its at 9, but the character motivations were so compelling, I'm putting it on the list anyway lol)
10. Attack on Titan ( a story about humanity trying to survive against gigantic monsters known as Titans. The ending is controversial though )
I cant be agree with you, the thing is that you, as a western cant see the ecchi like the same extra that, for example you would see a joke in a serious story, its out of place too, but you are used to seeing that resource all the time so its ok, but we westers have a problem with sex, with eroticism, and in general we are ultra prudish thanks to Christianity and now feminism. yes some times not help the story, but its the same that jokes and other stuff, the problem is no "its there" the problem is "you did not add it well". The "boob not let me see the skY" in Fieren its a echi joke, like the other jokes that you can see in the story, but THAT joke was a problem for the wester wokes only because they are much more sensitized with the sexy stuff, but its more problematic that, for example, any of the jokes that Fieren have? no.
The thing is that the "problem" with ecchi is the same problem that we have with the gore and the violence, Asiand put sex in everything, westers put violence and gore in everything, and you can see how asians have the same reaction that you are habing with the ecchi stuff because they are not used to that level of violence.
I agree. As I mentioned, it ecchi can come across as low-tier, degenerate smut if one is now aware of Japan's perspective on perversion. Much like all art, you have to appreciate it by better familiarising yourself with it and its origin.
I do agree with you in regard to violence and gore, too. I would probably have very similar criticism if a movie showcases a huge amount of gore over narrative substance. I'd have very similar critiques about the Saw franchise. I understand there is a market for that, but I also think it is possible to make a good story and have fan-service.
@@RoamingTrend Interestingly I'm not aware of any Asian equivalent to the Saw films, where the gore IS the point of the film. There are a few very violent gory anime, like Blood the Last Vampire for instance, but even they tend to come across more as just not censoring or cleaning up the action than the gore actually being the point of them. They have a story - one that doesn't come across as just an excuse or afterthought simply to let them bathe in blood.
Why why why are allos so pathetic why ? Anyway I’m glad normal animation keeps normies bleached brain away from wanting to change it for their biases and so called « freedom ».
@@ArawnOfAnnwn Tokyo Gore Police?
Tourists like ya are the problem with entertainment. Ya wanna get into a new medium but not it should change to suite your needs. It can't possibly just not be your thing. It is the problem that needs fixing.
Yeah. they bring up their cultures into another ones and complain why the cultures is question aren't aligned with their personal believes and such.
They can simply ignore it like a normal person would. but instead they give 30 minutes long essay that are just complain porn
Ecchi shows are integral to anime and manga culture. They also keep tourists away from the medium. And yes there are ton of tourists aka people that want to change the actual medium to fit their biases and values. The people that are partially responsible for the destruction of Western comics and series.
I started my anime journey by searching for anime with zombies. And we all know what got recommended to me. Yet that propelled me into a deeper dive into anime. Of course most anime newbies wouldn't actually be interested in watching ecchi but that was my experience.
P.S. Gushing Over Magical Girls was known that it was gonna be a cultured anime and that's why people wanted to see it, so I don't know how that was out of your radar lol.
I'm a pure and innocent soul. I knew the GOMG would be sus, but I didn't expect it to be THAT sus.
@@RoamingTrend haha, I am a seasoned ecchi watcher since I started my ecchi journey with HOTD but even for me the sadism is too much
@@captainvanisher988 'And we all know what got recommended to me' - we're not all zombie experts, so no we don't. So what got recommended to you? I would guess either Sankarea, Kabaneri, High School of the Dead, The Empire of Corpses or Zombieland Saga. None of which are particularly bad shows to watch.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn High School of the Dead and yes when I am talking about ecchi zombie anime the answer is pretty obvious. I never said it was a bad show btw, I said it was out there.
@@captainvanisher988 Ah okay. Anyway, since you're a fan of zombies, one lesser known title you can check out is Sunday Without God. Rather an unusual take on the zombie subgenre.
i appreciate your takes! especially to new anime fans ecchi can be a massive turnaround for interest. i like your ability to pull from other media and create relative comparisons even from west to east.
i will say, however, i didn't enjoy KLK. i'm generally not irritated by ecchi but because i didn't enjoy watching KLK the ecchi made it much more tedious on watch. somewhat mirrors to your thoughts on the magical girls anime, just in a different light.
I personally think Gushing Over Magical Girls is a good direction. and there is a point you missed.
If you want anime to not be associated with ecchi than having shows be part ecchi is worse.
Gushing Over Magical Girl is honest about what it is and who it is made for. If people coming into anime don't want to see that sort of thing they will have clear indicators it is there.
If you just throw in some scenes in a show it can easily lead viewers frustrated as they get taken out of a show they were previously enjoying.
Also if you are curious to ecchi series exploring things there is Interspecies Reviewers. The manga not the anime.
Despite the premise the manga included very little graphic scenes where as the anime is pretty much straight hentai.
This whole video seems to be a big too focused on hating ecchi overall while shrouding it in "newbies shouldn't watch this stuff" clothing, which by all accounts they shouldn't. No other tags have are split into more descriptive categories like you're suggesting so this observation makes no sense. Trying to imply that an anime would be better than it was if we could shove in more episodes that aren't fan service related is to miss the point of the anime in the first place. They don't mainly exist for that purpose. They're a specific type of entertainment in the medium and that's why they're tagged as such. Anyways I enjoyed the video regardless even if we can't see eye to eye on ecchi in general. Keep up the great work!
I tried to be a lot more fair and balanced in this video when it comes to ecchi. I have mentioned that ecchi is an integral part of anime culture and I wouldn't try to remove it. I haven't investigated other tags yet whether they do need more separations. I think ecchi tag would benefit from it because there are way too many anime with some ecchi elements, but they are radically different for ecchi-focused anime. I think those would belong into separate categories cause they are appealing to different audiences and experiences. Just feels weird to have Vinland Saga and Interspecies Reviewers in the same category, no?
@@RoamingTrendVinland Saga and Interspecies Reviewers had different TV ratings so that seems a better guide for watching anime at least. I appreciate you toning things down when you didn't need to do that. Your opinion is your opinion and you're allowed to have it of course. I guess my whole point of commenting was just to say that you seemed to be coming at the thesis from two different POVs when you talk about "who is ecchi for" and then also talk about "ecchi ruins a good anime" if that makes sense. I'd love to see a vid that more deeply explores the latter just to see a unique POV on the subject.
>which by all accounts they shouldn't
Why?
Some people have reasons for disliking ecchi that isn't cultural so much as it is just moral. No matter how nuanced you are in "Japanese culture", degenerate smut is still degenerate smut, whether western styled or eastern. (remember, even in Japan, weebs are looked down upon)
It's totally ridiculous to say Gushing over Magical Girls is a "missed opportunity," to tell a different story. It was one of probably thousands of manga series that get made every year, it happened to get popular enough for a low budget anime to get made because someone thought they might be able to sell like 10k Blue Rays and make a profit. There are like 50 anime series that come out every season, if you don't like one there are plenty of other ones to watch. Also there is character growth in the show it's just that the character growth revolves around the character's sexuality. If you don't find that interesting that's fine but that doesn't mean it's not there.
Also, you seem really confused, "Hentai" as a category isn't even in a thing in Japan, and mal just uses the content rating of a show to decide what category it goes in. The reason they "didn't just make a hentai" is they wouldn't be able to broadcast it on whatever channel it's on if they did. The reason it's tagged ecchi instead of "hentai" on mal is because of the content rating. The mal tag isn't something anyone involved in making the show was thinking about or even aware of at all when they were making it.
just let me say this.
- unlike western, many people here not treat fiction as reality and no double standards either.
- I have low interest with plot now because IRL job make my brain hurt and tired, so something like comedy or ecchi was better than watching western movie or serious theme anime.
- Most male here not gay and still have interest with opposite sex so fanservice is not make things worse and actually can be the opposite.
・You should learn the differrence between: ℋentai, shounen, seinen, josei, shoujo, ecchi, smut, erotica.
・Not everyone into psychopath (violence) and kids show (pg13+- only).
uhh i somewhat disagree on the Gushing magical girl part. The show will explore more relationship between the magical girl and the villian group more and Uteha will play a more active roll in helping the magical girl unlocked their potential, granted if you only see like first 5 episode of anime. I can see why you didn't get that impression
maybe controversial but uh...I don't like sex stuff :/
Like when the focus is on ecchi or has high themes of ecchi yeah it makes sense why there's so much of it
But fanservice (the bad ones) or sexism (that has no reason to be there at all) isn't...nessecary?
And I mean ANY media, it's weird its useless and al it does it bring in the male/female gaze. ugh
I wouldn't worry about GoMG signifying any kind of trend. Few anime go as far as it does, as it both makes them controversial and also only works cos of shock factor (keep in mind that 'ecchi enjoyers' always have the option of actual hentai, so they don't need anime to go all the way). This is a strategy some anime use. They skirt the legal line between anime and hentai by not showing any genitals, but feature very sexual content. This allows them to bypass the hentai market - where, let's be honest, this show wouldn't stand a chance - in favor of making a big splash in the larger anime market. Interspecies Reviewers, Redo of Healer, GoMG - all are using this strat. But the strat only works cos of it being uncommon. Ecchi as a whole is common of course, but that's been the case for a long time. It's always been part of the anime landscape, and it hasn't resulted in an anime crisis like superhero movies have for Hollywood (btw Hollywood puts out plenty of non-superhero films as well, so it isn't suffering from a malaise so much as Marvel specifically is).
One could also argue that ecchi itself represents a philosophical point - WHY do people get so upset at sexual content but barely to any other kind of content? Also just how much of this is cultural? Anime was successful even before it became popular elsewhere, so it'll be fine - instead the reaction to sexual content, especially in those '20% ecchi' shows, can very well be seen as a mirror to society.
Lastly, since you brought up Kill la Kill as an example of sexual content being core to a shows' theme, perhaps consider looking at the works of Kunihiko Ikuhara. And specifically NOT Sailor Moon or Revolutionary Girl Utena, both of which have been discussed aplenty. Rather the even more sexual Yurikuma Arashi, Sarazanmai and Penguindrum. Tbh I don't much care for his oh-so-artsy approach that seems to care less for plot and logic than I'd like, but I can't deny there's some who dig that sort of thing. Maybe you're one of them?
"Hentai" is just a category in western anime, in Japan it's all "Ecchi," and the word "Hentai" just means "pervert" as in a person who is perverted, not a type of content. It's kind of ridiculous to say that "Anime" is getting "more perverted" when all "Hentai" is already part of Anime as far as the people who make and mostly buy it are concerned.
No. Many people love ecchi. It's just you prefer complex and innovative story. While others need their pervert part of themselves need to be unleashed or else people will get depressed
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True. Very true
I have to disagree. This modern "Holier than thou" attitude of hating on fan-service and ecchi, or saying it detracts from a story, really is annoying. While certain titles maybe too much for some to handle, ecchi itself does not necessarily detract from the stories. 100 Girlfriends is a great example. There is plenty of fan-service and suggestive scenes, but also some very wholesome and heartwarming moments, and tons of comedy. All too often people can't look past what is on the screen when it comes to ecchi, or they can't separate FICTION from reality. Similarly, I couldn't stand all the "controversy" when the fist episode of Goblin Slayer came out, all the while missing the point of it being the quickest way of showing that there is ABSOLUTE EVIL in that world. You could argue that that scene didn't need to go on as long as it did to show that. I would argue that it was just as long as it needed to be to truly impact the audience and show the evil of the goblins.
Not every anime needs to be like Frieren, or AOT. As for Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete, everything you said about the hero's journey is there. It is not as in your face as the ecchi is, but it is there. You also completely miss the mark on Rudeus. I don't know how old you are, so you may not realize this. As one grows older changing aspects of their personality, breaking habits, or learning something new, becomes harder and harder. That being said, he was a porn addicted shut-in from high school (15-18) till his death in his mid to late thirties, if I remember correctly. He is a deeply flawed man, and I don't think anyone would deny that. What you somehow miss is that that same deeply flawed man's brain, is suddenly put into the body of a newborn with all memories, emotions, and yes, the flaws. To expect someone to change or drop those habits/flaws instantly in those circumstances is so laughable to the point it wouldn't even be done in a farce. There are some wounds that heal over time, and some that never heal.
I don't think I disagreed with that aspect of Rudeus. I agree that that's what Rudeus' character journey is. All the trauma and bad habits from the past life are stopping him from living happily in this new life, and his entire journey is about growing past those hurdles. I don't think I critiqued that part of the writing, so I don't know how I missed the mark?
And I also agree with you about Mahou Shoujo. There are elements I wanted, which I also pointed out in the video. My critique was that they were too few and far in-between, which you also agree with. That's how I feel ecchi often overshadows a good story. They only needed to be more subtle and balance out the ecchi with story better, and they would have a much better written story than it is now. But again, that's what I wanted, they had different goals.
@@RoamingTrend"... though you still have to sit through Rudeus being a complete little pervert." This statement, and the following statement's use of "tries to justify" implies that watching Rudeus being a pervert was troublesome, or burdensome, and added nothing to the story. In the same way, the use of "could have also been a hero's journey for Utena" implies that those elements are not there. Now, I will admit my own poor choice in wording when I said: "It is not as in your face as the ecchi is, but it is there." I should have elaborated, as my view is the Utena's growth is all throughout the episodes, but it is a "slow burn". The subtlety is that that steps of her growth come out through the ecchi.
All that being said, my annoyance at the disdain for ecchi still stands. Fan-service and ecchi or elements there of have ALWAYS been a apart of comics and animation. Examples include but are not limited to: the early Wonder Woman comics with heavy BDSM themes. Or Catwoman's original high cut double slit dress with a very deep v cut neckline. From the animation side look up "Red Hot Riding Hood" 1943 directed by Tex Avery. There are videos detailing all that was in Disney. Even The Powerpuff Girls (original) had Sara Bellum and Sedusa.
I like your points and agree completely. However, the whole discussion is fruitless. @RoamingTrend is a tourist in the anime world. He came here because Hollywood is unable to produce anything of worth and now, entering the anime land, he sees differences in culture and behavior and instead of acceptance, he want to change everything to his liking. He has no respect for anime or its history (big shoutout again for Lextorias and his informative videos about history of anime and in particular ecchi).
I wonder, if Trend was ever in a different country and couldn't accept the culture there - or he may not understand that anime is not only a different art form (if this is the right word), but also a completely different medium. Yes, anime are films or videos like what Hollywood shows, but it's different, and it's great that it's so different.
Trend will leave the anime space the moment Hollywood is not retarded anymore. And that is absolutely fine. @@the_great_lord_ilpalazzo
@@HadesYT134 I wouldn't call it fruitless, but I do see your point. However, we were all tourists at one point, so I try not to hold that against anyone. I have been watching anime since the late 80s/ early 90s (yes, I'm old) and I have had these sorts of conversations countless times. Now, I don't mind if ecchi or some other aspect of anime is disliked by someone. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What concerns me, whether it be from a tourist or veteran weeb, is the "fan-service / ecchi bad" remarks. It reminds me too much of the satanic panic back in the 90s.
If Trend is only here till Hollywood stops being retarded, he's here for at least another 10 years, lol.
@@the_great_lord_ilpalazzo very well said, thank you.
What happened to your bojack horseman video?
This video really spoke to me. Discovering a new anime with a prompt that peeks my interest, just for it to devolve into mediocrity and the same story bits I've already seen dozens of times within the first few episodes, happened way too often to me and is probably one of the main reasons I barely watch anime nowadays. Even though I'd say that focusing on ecchi at the expense of the writing is just a symptom of the problem, which is writers not having the time to develop their stories in a meaningful way because they have to deliver 500 manga pages every other day.
As a fan of the gushing over magical girls manga, when i saw they were making an anime i was disappointed because it felt like what you said it was. While reading it , it began to shift focus on more ecchi and made me sad how little development happened for the mc and their friends.
Honestly, I don’t think the ecchi market is any more saturated than it was 10 years ago.
I think it has been a long time since we hit the point of saturation.
Based video solely for pissing off the neckbeards
the problem with western audience is they are gaslighted by feminist to view male sexuality as a negative thing, in most cultures sex jokes is viewed positively & not a big deal.
No..... I think the problem is more most ecchi scenes involve high school girls ablur 15 years old or even younger girls of 12 to 14, all which is illegal in America, and cns get us westerners thrown into jail, I think one year per video that can be classified as cp
@@ryangreen2493Lolicon isn't illegal. At least not under US Law.
I don't mind ecchi.
I think the problem with your comparison of Mushoku Tensei to a hot springs scene is that his degeneracy is the reason the story happens at all. Sure, you can remove the degeneracy, but then what will be his purpose in life? Infact, I would like you to challenge yourself to write a better Mushoku Tensei without this.
I agree with you in the intro ,
i stopped watching Hollywood,
the same reason as you .
It could easly be made better if they just made them take place in collage instead of middle or highschool
I made a comment about if you should change something when you don't like it and I wasn't able to read the response, I hope you could write it again
16:39 cool helmet design
I find more gratuitous stuff in tv tbh.
Is just because of your american sensibility,
Due to puritanism american are way more adverse to sexual things.
Rich coming from a furry. lol
Jk
Buddy, if furries also include people who just use an animal avatar on TH-cam, then, this guy isn't necessarily a degenerate.
@RoamingTrend I like your videos until this one. This video is what contributes to the continued push for the westernisation of anime, manga, manhwa, and manhua. As well as the problems with localisers changing scripts to suit the conservative morals of some few viewers. I say few otherwise these genres wouldn't be selling as massively as they are. I honestly don't understand why you started watching anime if you can not stand the over dramatisation of both male and female body types? Moreover, in a lot of these shows it's not just about ecchi, usually it's about troupe to show growth in a character or straight up comedy.
Um? I didn't mention overdramatisation of male and female body types? I just don't like when ecchi is interfering with storytelling and making it hard for me to recommend it to people. Mushoku Tensei is one of those examples where the storytelling and animation is great, but you still have to deal with a pretty big amount of ecchi, which I don't think helps the show's overarching themes either.
I'm confused by your last point. I pretty much said that in the video? O.o
Are there specific points from the video you don't agree with? Seems like most of your complaints are directed somewhere else.
I appreciate your subscription and hope to make more videos you like!
No, you didn't bring up over dramatisation of the male or female form I did but that's what I picked up from your video. Ecchi or not these characters are not made to look real or suit most audiences. At 16:25 you have "big booba = art?" This yet again is a trend of westernisation of anime, make everything suit a western ideals of non offensive, bland and boring. My problem with the video is it pushes the narrative that there is something wrong with Ecchi in the first place because it has its places. I believe you said that slightly in the video as you railed about how you can't stand Ecchi at all but each to their own. I just think this video adds to that whole problem of Japanese creators trying to please western markets because a few conservative consumers can't handle a bit of Ecchi every now and again.
Additionally, have you read any of the Mushoku Tensei manga or LN? If so you might have added to your video you acknowledge that Ecchi is used in the story to show the main characters growth as they age throughout their lives.
@@RoamingTrend
@Roaming sure, you have a (more) nuanced take than most western tourists. But this will only add fire to the fuel of tourists trying to ruin anime, like they did western entertainment. I say, do more ecchi, the more western people kept away the better. I KNOW, I know, _most_ people are fine. But since it takes a very small amount of people to ruin anything, there's no reason to take chances.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 westerners are not the ones making anime and they aren't running it. In fact, by separating ecchi better we will be able to preserve the culture of ecchi while also letting anime grow in popularity more
I guess you haven't watched blue eye samurai then? @@RoamingTrend
so am i weird for starting out with neon genesis evangelion???
Yes! XD
@@jaideepshekhar4621 if you want to know my second it was jojo
the moment i see your weird review on MAL I know you were probably working on something like this. Keep doing what you like ig, also don't believe too much in yourself
I am a sucker for any anime that had the villain point of view as the main point, like overlord and when i heard about gushing over magic girls i was all over that like flies on stink, but then the ecchi hit and its like what the hell am I watching, I still watch it hoping that the story will come though esp around episode 7 when they start going for the conclusion
I personally was wondering how will they deal with the:
"good guys always win"
It just got interesting...
>and its like what the hell am I watching
...wasn't that quite literally
>villain point of view as the main point
you wanted to see?
@@allaireko reading is a beautiful thing...there was something said before that that added some amount of context to the statement...
You're shooting yourself in the foot by assuming that a BDSM ecchi yuri show has any depth
@@mysmallnoman remember i went into it not knowing that part, i just read the summary and dove it since i wasnt watching anything else at the time
I want you to know that I really appreciate your thoughts and opinions in these videos, and you and I are on the same page when it comes to ecchi.
Yeaaaah personally I just can't *get* into anime, and ecchi is only one of my many problems with them. Plainly said, I just don't *vibe* with its codes. The dialogues always feel awkward and not organic, and things like idiot hot-headed protagonists or power up through the power of friendship sound plain cringe to me. Not to mention the format of gradually getting more and more serialized to the point you need to watch like 4 episodes to get a full story mean I usually get bored of it halfway through. And that's not even getting into their approach of fantasy, where they tend to portray it as a bit too close to actual RPG mechanics for my taste, to the point it comes out as either unnatural or super generic to me. The art is good to look at i'll admit, but for me that only carries you so far - I am a plot and character over art kind of guy.
Happy for people who enjoy them but I'll stick to superhero comics. Admittedly they got their own codes and cliché, but at least these ones amuse me personally more than they irritate me. "High quality entertainment," my foot!
lot of porn addicts in your comments damn. imo some ecchi has been comedic, *some* scenes and kill la kill have made me laugh but to call ecchi necessary and an integral part of the plot is so ignorant
Does it need to be necessary for it to exist? Lol
I hate ecchi. Animes like Vinland Saga completely prooves that you don't need oversexualization (nor even sexualization in the first place) to make something good.
Heck, even romance animes don't need sexualization stuff to be attractive. Sexuality is a normal thing, but I have how anime normally deals with it, usually in a very immoral and unnecessary way.
If you look at the Japanese indie comics scene or even the western fan fiction scene you might realize that a lot of authors like Ecchi stuff and don't just add it in cause sex sells.
I swear, people who watch type of show are probably the same that criticize Totally Spies. I get to criticize both!... Ecchi more because I didn't get Totally Spies until someone pointed it out (as I watched it as a kid.) I got what anime was about when I was a kid.
Ah, a film degree! That helps explain the excellent writing analysis. I think good screen writers are the best at creating tight, powerful stories that express the most with the fewest number of words. I just found your channel through the “Seven Sins” Hazbin video. I subbed right away.
I’m writing long form stuff, which you can tell because I am wordy and redundant 😊
oh come on! get over it! you are not primary school student, there are anime with blood and body parts flying around what about those? pudding shake you feel bad, catch up is find. We usually discuss anime is not cartoon for kids.
I agree. Which is why I don't want to see si much immature fanservice in what could be pretty serious anime stories.
@@RoamingTrendThey don't stop becoming serious because theres fan service. Maybe anime just isn't for you man.
Did youtube strike you down? Again?!
Haha, no, just wanted to improve upon the previous version of this video. I may have come off as too aggressive in the last one.
That ending segment was funny. 🤣
To me, Mushoku is worse than the classic ecchi. The anime/story portrays the scenes in which the protagonist tries to do sexual things with underage characters. It's just disgusting how these scenes aren't shown as if Rudeus is doing something terrible, and often finds an excuse for it to happen or even plays it off as a joke.
The anime talks about him wanting to improve as a person, but when he does something obviously terrible, he's not shown as the terrible guy, it's something very frustrating.
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Thanks!
Lol, I like to throw people inyo the deep end first thing. I always recommend people watch Made in Abyss if they want to get into anime.
so many thinking MiA is "deep end" just makes me sadder and sadder. it's an incredibly shallow show that failed its premise and is now living on the sole pillar of edgy gore. but it's the anime community, where animes with good storytelling are rarely ever popular, so i guess i expected too much
@@waaifucook7593 Lol, right sure thing kiddo.
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bro what should i wrote to get this reaction
Hate this take. Clearly this is not for you, not everything has to be the highest art. Sometimes writers just want to write smut, did you know that? You can also like both, I read classic lit and other times some trashy ecchi manga. Got to wonder how the first version of this video was.
If they just want to write smut, what's the point of adding a story like Mushoku Tensei?
@@RoamingTrend I know this is 4 months old, Do you know what the author thought to say this? Just because it's not in the way you want, you really just assumes it in a negative way.
who's this clock dude that hide all the good stuff, tsk
7:58 LMAO
Go back to marvel DORK this is real weeb territory.
This video was much more precise and enjoyable to watch. Can't wait for the next one.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Man, if you think Mushoku Tensei gets a bit weird with the way it does its ecchi NOW, wait'll you learn what that video he was watching in his room in the first ep was.
...At least, in the original webnovel. He had hidden a camera in a bathroom to catch video of his 7 (I think?) year old niece.
People always say it's his redemption story, but nobody seems to know how exactly he actually redeems himself. I didn't learn about the niece thing until I was well into it, and I eventually got too disgusted to keep watching.
> ...At least, in the original webnovel. He had hidden a camera in a bathroom to catch video of his 7 (I think?) year old niece.
Damn I see why his relatives threw him out. I just assumed it was some fucked up Hentai or something, lol.
Why the hell is there a wannabe Grand admiral Thrawn at the end????
Trend Lore. Shhh!
kill la kill was the 3rd anime i ever watched an i loved it
I think this is very good advice. I got started with a bunch of low fanservice deep story animes and had a great time. Then I kept running into etchi this etchi that and stopped watching anime altogether. I can't imagine all the interesting stories I could have totally missed if my experience was flipped as I'd have never have gotten anywhere with anime at all.
16:00 fucking brilliant mate! Love your video's, keep it up!
Oh! You stuck around for it! Nice! Secret Trend Lore. :D
I think I have watched three ecchi anime in my life.
Two of them I hate because they were straight up 18+ and the only real motivation I had for watching them was a desire for stimulation but there was one ecchi I never wish to recommend to anybody but sincerely enjoyed. It was an emotionally and psychologically deep romantic drama with emphasis on the role of sex in romance and what's the difference between lust and love.
They never used it when it wasn't necessary and always made it mean something with regards to the relationships of the characters.
But yeah, unless it's only a small part of an otherwise great anime, I don't want to touch the ecchi again.
normies
get out
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I enjoy My Dressup Darling, but I seriously wish there was like... a Christian edit lol
My wife finds it annoying, meanwhile she's watching "Bridgerton" with has a s3x scene every damn episode lol, she's self-aware of the hypocrisy. We just wish shows weren't like this
Hilarious ending
Why so many dislikes? The video was reasonable
Very ill informed. And no it is not. Echii has been a part of anime far before tourists started entering the medium
@@CBman11037 Bro, what are you talking about? Why are you so mad?
@@wolfiewoo3371Mad? Dude I just answered your question.
Aqua doesn`t wear panty? Really?
There are no good ecchis, there are only very extremely rare exceptions, sorry.
Gurren Lagann, Fairy Tail, The Familiar of Zero just to name a few.
I've been watching anime since 2015 in my last year of school and I remember there were a lot of echhi anime around this time. Nowadays anime has become less horny since those times.
Currently you can watch anime for the stories, animation and characters.
yep, fan service was way often used and it was more explicit. This season of Mahou Shoujo is such a great and beloved show because of the fan service and the fact that it's even more than in the manga. Nearly all anime cut out fan service compared to their manga version and the typical anime fan is glad that it's not the case at least for once.
@@HadesYT134 Completly agree Even Made in Abyss anime cut out the loli nudity scenes
@@kubomagico8853Cringe. Guess I'm reading the manga
Yes
Let's not pretend anime writing isn't just as political as English series, along with being immature and often just nasty
Makin stuff up are we know
@@CBman11037 ?
Ecchi "shots" are much less offensive in manga than in anime.
In manga there's a pic and you take however long you want with it(be it a split second or 5mins), in anime, when the show itself lingers on some panties for 10 seconds, not only does it kill the flow of the scene, but also it's against your will so it feels much creepier.
This is big part of why I am for the most part a "manga only" weeb.
edit: Also Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete is much better when you read the mangaka's previous manga. One is a cutie alien outcast making friends over food, the other is an friendless alienated girl subjecting the world to her depravity.
I watched the Gushing Over Magical Girls because I saw the synopsis from one of those anime synopsis channels. I got as much as you did and was like "someone who adores magical girls accepts to be one but is actually a villain, that sounds awesome." I was not prepared for that anime in the slightest.
If they didn't mention it was lewd at all, I would recommend disliking and blocking them. On the other hand, I don't know if its worth it to tell you, but there is an interesting story there.
do not FOR THE LOVE OF G A W D
watch highschool dxd
softcore hentai basically
I watched it, it’s really not that out there as I was expecting it to be, if people think that’s super out there they must be new to Anime or don’t know it very well because 90’s Anime was way more wilder and adult, Highschool DxD is like a kiddy pool compared to those anime’s back then.
I am personally not a big anime fan, probably because of the Ecchi stuff. It's not my cup of tea.
Good video though. Keep on doing good stuff =)
Thanks, will do!
Thank you for being honest. Plenty of non ecchi western media to consume, like recent Marvel and Star Wars...
@@jaideepshekhar4621 There reason why I like anime is because its not Western media, but there is more anime than just ecchi. You can have both.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 Well, those are kind of bad examples in my opinion but hey, you watch what makes you happy and I watch what makes me happy =)
@@RoamingTrendYou seem to be wanting to turn anime into western media
When I was around 20 years old I decided to basically cut anime, after being an avid consumer for many years. Because of this.
I can't watch most anime nowadays. I used to think Evangelion was the best thing, now I can't watch it. I just can't.
"checov's bum"
instantly subscribed
"Anime was a mistake."
2:58
bro what should i wrote to get this reaction