My Ideal take on Henry the Green Engine
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fr tho I really like your interpretation of Henry and him being named after Henry Fowler is the icing on the cake
Yoooo thank you, a very big fan of your work
"I wanted 203 rebuilt, and that _____ _____ _____ gave it a face!"
Lmao
I’m confused as to why the IOS book says that “since 1922, there have been two Henry’s”. Wouldn’t it make more sense to say since 1935 or something?
Ikr
It could be referring to 1922 as the beginning of the Henry situation and then it was solved after the rebuild, but it is strange
Well 1922 was (probably) the year Henry was sent to Crewe or when Henry MK 2 was created, if it were to say “since 1935” then that would mean Henry MK 2 was built in the same year Henry MK 1 was built
Perhaps they’re saying that two engines just have the same name, nothing unusual.
@@FictionalADDON lots of people have the same name. It’s usual, even in Thomas, but it’s not the implication I got from the book regarding Henry.
In my opinion, Henry looks good as a Black 5
fair enough
In my AU, Henry is an experimental engine built in 1918 built, made from stolen Plans from sir Nigel Gresly he was a poor steamer in 1920 he was sold to the NWR the same year the thieves were caught. In 1927 His steaming problems were figured out and he was given Welsh Coal and in 1930 he had the flying Kipper Crash and got rebuilt into a black five.
Weren’t the Black 5s built until like 1934
@@ScorchZane I changed it back to canon 1934.
@@E2ForLifealso his Henry an Orphan
Amazing hc! Excited to see the next one!
Thank you I’ll be doing a double premier of both my Ideal Gordon and Thomas
I don't like this. It makes absolutely no sense. Yet you're trying to fix something that in your mind makes no sense.
Making sense with something that doesn't make sense to others.
These types of videos have always been weird, not blaming you or anything, just saying.
with all due respect, I don’t see how the NWR would’ve tolerate Henry’s steaming problems for 14 or 15 years when he was in old shape (whether he’s a mixed hybrid or not).
To me it makes more sense they get rebuilt some time after like a few years rather than a decade or two, since I really dislike the idea of Henry having his steaming issues for 1 decade, like goodness me poor Henry.
So, Your Ideal Henry Became Sentient After His Rebuilt.
Yup
@@ScorchZane, Incredible.
So… The sad story of Henry never happened?
This is nice
Thank you
What if there is an au where he is portrayed as a gnr h class and later rebuilt into a b17
Who Henry?
@@ScorchZane yes
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I mean could work tho there was no record of that ever happening, tho it is possible (albeit with some extending and chopping here and there).
Are the k4s look like smaller versions of the b17
I mean if you compare the two photos of both locomotive designs
My Ideal Henry:
He was built by the NWR in 1920, he was Simply Named 'Henry', he was Meant to be a NWR B1 Atlantic, but They decided to Change it, he was numbered 373, After he Failed on the NWR's Main Express Service 'wild'nor'wester', Witch ended up in the NWR Needing to perchase GNR No. 1470 Great Northern, Later NWR No. 374 Gordon topham hatt, in 1927, Sir Albert Regaby made a deal with Henry's Crew to Go in Henry's Cabe, in a Later Meeting eld for the Future of Henry, the selution was Smaller kinds of Coal ordered by The Crovan's gate Minning co. But in 1928 Henry was asigned to pull the 'flying kipper', at Victorstown henry derailed and Crashed into the back of a Goods trains, he was Sent to Crew Works were he was Rebuild into a Royal Scott, he was Rebuild to the Stanier version of the Royal Scotts, hes still on Sodor today
And was he never stayed in the tunnel once
not in my universe
My AU has henry arriving on sodor & henry the green engine happening earlier.
like in thomas1edward2henry3 likley due to the fact that in my universe at least the main one there was a sigin of troublesome engines in percy and the trousers which in my universe it takes in his olf shape
My ideal henry: is he was built experimantel he was number 3087 he was named william henry he was built in 1917 he was colored black and in 1921 he was sent to sodor and was purcashed and he was very faiked when he using welsh coal and in 1930 he crashed with the flying kipper 1. He derailed form the points 2. He crashed into the brake vans and james trcuks was break every where but henry was rebuilt in 1934 before WW2 happend and he was came back in 1937 as a 8f and he was repainted dark green with blue stripes and he was rename sir henry thompson and he still work to this day
Should i rewrite the cars universe complety different from its canon one like adding humans and no brains inside likley to not follow the pizar theory
Up to you (tho I have to ask, how the hell do you even have time to comment a lot it’s like you hyper energy in you).
@@ScorchZane perhaps i feel like have evey ernegy or they just pop in my mind
Ok so how the timeline going to be different then the one form canon in your cars rewrite and what history are you going to change in this timeline
@@gfuelmonster5415 having humans as the yellow car had humans in it
1935* not 1934, and Henry has always been built by stolen plans, and always had been a mix of a C1 and A1, after his crash he is a black 5
My ideal Henry isn’t meant to aline with his RWS counterpart, plus why should I stick to canon? Care to answer that?
also according to unlucky tugs video on the RWS timeline which have been fact checked by Luke Pickman who kept Awdrys writing its was stated that the kipper crash it happened in 1934 and when it was day time he was sent to Crewe after the crash was cleaned.
Is diesel still a class 08 in your universe
Yeah
Can a btb crossover works with thomas as both are sentience and owned by hit
Yeah but then that would mean the vehicles would need to have grey faces or meshed in faces
@@ScorchZane same for the cars characters
here's my Head-Canon for Henry
I believe in the Two Henry's Theory
Henry MK1
Real Name: Sir Henry Ivatt
Basis: GNR A1 Pacific Prototype 1915 Draft (His RWS Old Shape)
Build Date: 1919
Arrived on Sodor: 1922
Livery: Photographic Grey (1919-1921), GNR Green (1921-1923), NWR Green (1923-1924), NWR Blue (1924-1928)
Rebuilt with Outside Cylinders, Square Buffers and Fowler Tender after an incident with some coaches: 1926
The Rebuild Features were eventually removed around 1927 and he also became a 4-6-0 (His TVS Old Shape)
Scrapped: 1935 and replaced by New Shape Henry
Liveries
Photographic Grey (1919-1922)
GNR Green (1922-1923)
Dirty after being locked up in the Tunnel (1923-1924)
NWR Blue (1924-1928)
NWR Green (1928-1935)
Scrapped: 1925
Henry MK2
Real Name: Sir Henry Fowler
Rebuilt Basis: LMS Jubilee (His RWS New Shape)
Rebuild Date: 1935
Returned to Sodor: 1936
Given his Overhaul: 1990
Liveries
LMS Black (1935-1936)
RWS NWR Green (1936-1939)
Wartime Black (1939-1945)
LMS Maroon (1945-1948)
BR Green (1948-1968)
TVS NWR Green (1968-1990)
Henry MK3
Name: Remains as Sir Henry Fowler
Rebuilt Basis: LMS Stanier Class 5 (His TVS New Shape)
Rebuilt Date: 1990
His Overhaul was finished: 1991
Liveries
Undercoat Red (1990-1991)
TVS NWR Green (1991-Present Day)
Well then. This video actually helped me make my AU for Henry. Alongside the old drawing you made that I saw. Thanks.
no worries
Honestly, Hot-Take, I don't like that not all engines have faces. I like them all to have faces.
Fair enough
Have people put romance in their thomas universe expect is that where the engines dont get married and just as Boyfriends and girlfriends
I mean yeah, only a noteable few I know of (not in videos tho)
@@ScorchZane should I add romance to my universe expecf that they dont get married
Did you steal the ideal sieres for the guy for roly the bachman choach
if I did it would be a copy of his videos. (besides he doesn’t really own the idea tbh, since it’s not too different from making a video called “my take on Gordon” since it’s also about somebody ideal take on the character”.
however I did get the idea from him, so I’ll credit him for that
can we have edward next, hes my fav character
relax I am currently making a video with him along with James
@@ScorchZane ok thanks
In your universe do they have their rws model or cgi faces
mostly classic since CGI faces are difficult to obtain
@@ScorchZane like what
literally all the CGI faces are difficult to obtain, I don’t see what you mean by what? the bloody results for them are bloody scarce/extremely limited.
@@ScorchZane are they creepy
And how we can make a wooden railway royal scot engine body
oh simple add two splashers and paint the cab into a single with a bar on it
So if Henry was rebuilt into a 6P wouldn’t he be rebuilt again in 1943, or did he kept his Fowler design?
He was rebuilt somewhere during WW2 to be more standardised into Stanier’s design
Ok
Can't wait to see this
Well best be prepared :)
Perhaps henry was a experiment built both by gresley and sir henry flower
well 203 (later Sir Henry Fowler, who is Henry in my universe) was built in Crovan’s Gates Work, so Gresley and Sir Henry Fowler never had any involvement. Sir Henry Fowler was only involved in his rebuild
in my AU he was built by the engineers in Crovan’s gate works
@@ScorchZane i mean in the rws canon
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I don’t think so, since the 120 rail companies were very competitive
@@ScorchZane until they where formed in british railways
In my hc, Henry was built as an lner atlantic-pacific mix as an a1 prototype, but unlike the real lore, his designs weren't stolen, he was actually built by Sir Nigel Gresley, and named Henry cuz of Sir Henry Ivatt, and 1935 he was rebuilt into a black 5, so he didn't have splashers, and he also didn't have a dome cuz black 5's in 1935 didn't have domes, only topfeeds.
Do you think engine being in the same shape and livery is confusion for children
If you put two A3s with the same liveries and shape next together, you’ll find the result
@@ScorchZane which a reason why i think different livery works
What issue with him being sentient in his old shape
Nah I just thought it would be interesting
What app do you use for drawing?
Sketchbook
@@ScorchZane ok
@@ScorchZanewhere do you get the wheels from
@@Weezsafan I drew them and made a template out of them
Wait do all engines on sodor have faces in your au?
Most don’t but some do
@ScorchZane which one's have faces
@@Sudriantank743 All my ideals (well some so far) have faces since they’re sentient.
@@ScorchZane how many engines have faces
@@Sudriantank743 I’m still deciding that
What is the app
so henrys a royal scot nice
I mean that’s one way to put it
And does the events of whistles and sneezes happens
I mean yeah
@@ScorchZane does the events its good to be Gordon happens while he was in his olf shape and non sentience at the time
no, that event in my universe is purely fictional
@@ScorchZane So basically...considering Henry only gained sentience after his rebuild, he was just getting adjusted to his new life on an already working body? (As opposed to only gaining sentience around the time you were finished being built)
My ideal Henry is an LBSC H2 Later Rebuilt into a Black 5
Mine: Henry was bulit from stolen blueprints of Nigel Gresley, and was always non faceless. He looked like a LNER Class D49 but with a smaller firebox. He had trouble moving, so they took him to be Scrapped. But he was sent to Sodor instead. He pulled the Flying Kipper in 1930, and has his famous crash, then was rebuilt into a Great Western Railway 2900 Saint class.
that’s some interesting AU/HC explanation, I don’t know how to feel about a LNER a being rebuilt in a GWR, tho then again in canon he went from a GNR to an LMS so I guess that’s not an issue.
interesting take.
In mind, your Henry (The MK1) would look a little like the GCR Class 8F, but with the same characteristics as the A1 1915 draft.
I mean I guess, even tho his class built by the NWR would be classified as a T2 class since the T Classification would stand for Ten-Wheeler. I can say however his old shape design is somewhat inspired by the 1915 A1 Draft, and the GCR 8F. So I guess yes.
Do i felt that awdry's golden rule was pointless
To be fair it’s not like he thought it would be a big deal
Tbh what if peter sam and sir handel where repainted back to their blue liverys after trucks
Didn’t Peter Sam has green tho?
@@ScorchZane oh yeah but what if they where repainted back to their original liveries
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 idk depends on how if affects the story (like when Falcon faked being sick and it got Peter Sam injured, maybe that?)
@@ScorchZane but what is wrong with the story
I personally like Henry starting out as an a1 prototype to a point that in my headcannon, Henry didn't have the kipper crash until 1975 (the year season 7 takes place in my headcannon).
wait he was rebuilt in 1975?! like did he suffer from steaming problems for that long, was he a properly build A1?
Welsh coal: "am I a joke to you?"
I headcanon 1955
What does that mean?
@@marklincovet509money; “am I joke to you?”
Do you think arriving in 1919 makes sence
my AU my takes
@@ScorchZane i mean in thr official canon
oh then yes it would, tho it would’ve more sense if the builder waited 2 more years after 1919 when he had spy steal the plans since investigations would be going on
Does His rebuilt in the tvs make sence
up to you
@@ScorchZane i think so
Henry being a patriot sound funny as big city engine was planned to use one of henry's models
I agree (even tho my take on Henry a NWR 4-6-0 later rebuilt into a Royal Scot in 1927)
@@ScorchZane how we can make a wooden railway royal scott
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 give it a Fowler tender (either James, Gordon’s or Edward’s tender), extended the firebox a bit, add the exhaust pipes, then boom a wooden railway Royal Scot
@@ScorchZane perhaps a Henry works
Do thomas next
I really hope he does
@@ScorchZane because I want to see what you have in store for him
@@Sudriantank743oh I see
Maybe after I do Gordon I’ll do a poll to see what they want to see the next ideal of next
@@ScorchZane ok
@@Sudriantank743 but hey I might do a double premier of both engines but who knows
My ideal Henry is a GCR 8F/LNER B4
yo Henry as a Great Central locomotive, nice the GCR 8F definitely suits him
@@ScorchZane Yeah
Looks like that in the tvs@@ScorchZane
Is his rebuilt make sence in the tvs
I mean in old shape and new shape the wheel configuration is a 4-6-0 so is more believable
@@ScorchZane what does that mean
it means since both his old and new shape had the 4-6-0 wheel configuration is rebuilt is very believable
@@ScorchZane what about the firebox
fire box is easy to replace (same with the boiler since that would be considered useless as well).
So hiro in your universe takes henry's original baisis the black 5
If he were to run on BR rails then yes I would. Otherwise I kept him as a D51 but not built too early since that ain’t gonna work.
@@ScorchZane perhaps arrived during the ww2
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 in WW2 the Japanese were on the of Germany so I don’t see how that’s would work
@@ScorchZane americans
In my take on sodor,Henry is a Experimental design resembling the royal scots and was built in 1912
nice take
@@ScorchZane :)
Can cars and btb with thomas crossover work since they are sentiece
No since cars has a completelydifferent kind of logic and would be very uncanny to fit in Thomas
@@ScorchZane althought both universes are set in a real life setting
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 you forgot cars have different rules to Thomas, real setting or not they don’t fit together because if you wanna go by the cars logic and Thomas meshed together, when you open the cars doors you’ll only find their brain and eyes, and that wouldn’t work
@@ScorchZane would it work if their faces are like the thomas ones
not to mention the vehicles in Thomas don’t have the same connections as Cars where Cars can have romance, every sentient vehicle in Thomas doesn’t (hell not even the bloody locomotives)
What is your thoughts on trainboy54
his customs are rather strange, tho I’d say he’s ok
@@ScorchZane do you felt he is overhated
not really tho it seems to be that way, and I understand why he kinda is fucking over rare items to obtain.
How we can make a take n play royal scott
Up to you man
I mean how i can make one
I would say use BCE body, sloped the firebox with some clay it paper, then you can either which his smokebox out for Henry or Gordon’s one
Henry The Green Engine
What an insightful comment./s
Why are people obbesed with the unlucky tug
ask them that since idk
@@ScorchZane do they have stupid brains
I am not gonna confirm or deny
Is still possible to rebuild a train class into another train class
I mean technically yes, take the Claughtons that were rebuilt into patriots for example
@@ScorchZane can a gnr h class k4 be rebuilt into a b17
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 possibly
@@ScorchZane becasue of the smokeboxes
Did the rwsmentioned any to do with tugs
Tugs wasn’t created until after 1984
@@ScorchZane i mean in in books take place in the 90s
My ideal of Henry is that he was built in 1924 as the last member of the a1's he was painted in lner blue and arrived on sodor by 1935 in 1947 he and gordon were arguing who is the fastest they finally decided to have a race however they crashed at the back of oliver's train in wellsworth both of them were later sent to different works to be rebuilt, gordon was sent to doncaster to be rebuilt unto an a3 while henry was rebuilt at crewe being given a new firebox, running board, and tender and he was painted in lms green
Henry as a A1/A3/A10 interesting take
@@ScorchZaneas henry in his old shape looks like an a1
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 I mean technically he is when he was in his old shape, albeit having resemblance to the 1915 draft and likely being from it
What if ace was replaced by mcqueen in bwba
Wouldn’t McQueen have a grey face like Berty?
@@ScorchZane yeah
I don’t think that’s possible due to McQueen being owned by Disney and Thomas being sadly owned by Mattel
@@ScorchZane althought mattel owns the cars toy line
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 doesn’t mean they own the production part of it. There’s a difference between owning toy line and a series or film franchise.
Ambluance????
Wahthtt
Yess The mighty green giant.
the green cucumber
@@ScorchZane The green mean machine
@@archermania9314 LOL
@@ScorchZane lol
The hen house
What issue with henry being a black 5 do you have
you look at Henry’s time on the NWR (being between 1921-1934 when he was in his old shape, considering he was suffering from steaming problem, you want to tell me? he suffered for 13 or 14 years?
now that I find hard to believe. I also believe the NWR wouldn’t kept him service for 13 years if he kept having these issues, like yeah they were up and down issues. But that mean he has to suffer for that long.)
to be honest it’s more with the problem how long he suffered from his steaming problems rather than his basis, which is why I have him as a NWR 4-6-0 converted royal soft.
@@ScorchZane perhaps was using welsh coal for many years
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 welsh coal never happen in my AU since 203 was faceless , and was only sentient after he was rebuilt.
@@ScorchZane i mean in the canon one
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 oh…
Henry’s welsh coal was said to be delivered in 1934 before snow occurred so…
Is he is still a black 5
no the black 5s weren’t built until 1934, my take is that Henry was rebuilt in 1927 so no he isn’t (because him being rebuilt by Sir Henry Fowler suits him a lot better from my preceptive since him being either a royal Scot or even a patriot sounds amazing to me).
@@ScorchZanewhat baisis it is
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 mate I just told you, it’s a royal scot
@@ScorchZane do you prefer his new shape having wheel arches or without them
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 honestly I say with splashers if I were to depict him, but if I were to have him a black hes better off without the splashes.
Why do people believe that tugs and thomas are set in the same universe
Don’t know what you talking about
@@ScorchZane i mean Why do people believe that tugs and thomas are set in the same universe
Still don’t know where you think that came from?
@@ScorchZane i actually made it by myself and the reason is why I said that it is becasue people think are they set in the same universe just becasue it has big mickey
Henry the blue engine
My ideal Henry goes like this:
He is that he is one of a class of engines built by the NWR called the North Western Railway Experiment Class. There were 53 engines of this class built between 1919 and 1925.
Henry was the second engine built, rolling out of Crovan's Gate in October 1919 and (like in your universe) was named Henry Fowler, a tribute Sodor gave to the neighboring Midland Railway and their current CME, Henry Fowler.
Henry (along with 19 other engines) were built with a 4-4-2 "Atlantic" wheel arrangement, but due to stability issues, they were later rebuilt with a 4-6-0 "Ten-Wheeler" configuration beginning in 1924. He and the first of the class, Experiment, were rebuilt into 4-6-2 "Pacific" locomotives, but these mods showed no noticeable improvement in their performance, and both engines would return to being 4-6-0's shortly after.
The Experiment Class was obviously a failure until the Welsh coal came. Apparently the NWR couldn't find out why the Experiment's were utter crap for that long until Topham rode on Henry to find out what the matter was.
In December 1934, the Flying Kipper is introduced and the NWR Experiment Class would be placed on this work, and we all know what happened next.
On the morning of January 5, 1935, it was Henry Fowler's turn to pull "The Flying Kipper." As he raced along the line, the run itself was going well. That is, until they reached Killdane, where ice and snow forced the home signal down and frozen balast was wedged in the points mechanism. Despite his best efforts, Henry was unable to stop in time and crashed into a stationary goods train on the line ahead, causing the deaths of the three men inside the breakvan and his crew (while surviving) to be badly injured, with the driver suffering a cut on his head and torn ligaments in his ankle, while the fireman suffered severe injuries on his right foot and hand (later amputated at the hospital), as well as being treated for a possible skull fracture.
He would be rebuilt by Sir William Stanier shortly afterwards and be rebuilt into a Black 5. The rebuilds were successful and resulted into 26 of the other 52 engines received these Black 5 rebuild treatments, but some remained unmodified.
Withdrawals started in 1945 (just after the end of World War II), due to the fact that the unmodified engines were almost obsolete compared to the updated ones. The last of the unmodified versions of the class was retired in 1951, marking the end of an era for these engines. The rebuilt engines would begin their withdrawals in 1959, and the last to be withdrawn was in 1967.
Henry was actually saved due to the popularity of the Railway Series in 1963, and as such remains the only North Western Railway Experiment Class today.
damn sodor must be big nil
@@ScorchZane perhaps
This looks great
^^