I can so understand your point of view Nickie. I hope you have found a more rewarding job and I am sure you did your best for people while you were in HR.
Can you please, please, tell us why come the majority of people in HR are women? I know it's kind of a stereotype that women dominate offices, but it really seems women like to work with something that has to do with dealing with people. Specifically with issues between people, arbitrage, relations... Am I wrong?
If you experience sexual harrassment, discrimination or witness any illegal activity from the company, get a lawyer and blindside the crap out of them. Going to HR about the problem gives the company a headstart on protecting themselves.
Lol. So true. I made this hr woman cry when I said "Thank God. I'm not happy here" when she wrongfully terminated me. She started crying! lmfao. Nothing funnier than watching the cowards live in misery.
Then the company can pretend they weren’t aware of what was happening and claim that if you had only brought it to the proper person’s attention they would have corrected it.
Ever worked for a company that had and "employee advocate?" The idea is to make you think that they're a kind of "public defender" for the employees. Sure they are... And who do these "advocates" work for? HR.
It depends on the HR professional I'd say. HR like other employees need to understand they are their own brand. Whilst employed by some company which they support, HR people especially when certified, have an obligation to be fair and ethical. Whilst supporting the company, employees need to be equally supported and it's a middle ground to be struck here. HR is more an art than a science as my friend always says. HR should advise the business properly and not just execute whatever they are told. It can be very challenging though and requires very resilient personalities. For example, I was asked to issue a warning letter to a person who leaves on time. Of course I didn't do it, and pushed back. Influencing skills are important too. It can get very tiring though and perhaps that's why some professionals just go down the easier path which is to follow the instruction.
I've had a couple managers set me up for the okeydoke. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT write witness statements against other employees if asked to do so by management. An employee was covertly making comments about me, I caught on, but it didn't bother me. My manager wanted to get rid of her and used me to get a statement on her file. That situation wound up in my review and I lost the opportunity to work in a position I was already performing and fully qualified for. I was not fired, but it soured it for me. Same stuff different company. My manager asked me to write a statement against my supervisor. The person handling HR matters then shared that statement with my supervisor and my manager then tells me my supervisor is trying to write me up. It never went anywhere because I stayed in good favor, but it was so messy and unprofessional. LOL
My dad told me about this with the army 25 years ago. Never volunteer for anything, never complain about anything, never admit to anything. They're out to get you.
@@awyand you mean sexual harassment? You must be in Human Resources. I have only heard about sexual harassment from one or two people in my life. Being open and honest is an assumption that most other people try to be open and honest. I've learned that most people will lie and betray whenever it suits them.
@@SubvertTheState I don't mean sexual harassment and I'm not sure why my comment leads you to believe I'm in HR?: I have simply worked in a professional environment for large organizations for over 23 years.... so I know what I should and shouldn't talk about at work.
When I realized HR was supporting the manager and his select employees that were regularly bullying me, I started contacting the companies counseling service instead. The manager, employees, and HR rep that was actively trying to cover it up were all terminated within a month of me being wrongfully terminated.
You know the company I work for presently now, 12 years ago I was wrongfully terminated by a supervisor who had no verbal or written warnings to me. And I should have challenged that and I should have had the guy fired and if I would have known what I know now back then, he would have been. Even though he is licensed to be a spray supervisor for the landscape company that I work for, he was nothing but trouble. He had an ego. He went through employees constantly.
Jehovah watches everything and is Just .s.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
@@VestalNumbre The problem with HR is that they don't give a fk. They belong in hell for they are the devils advocate. They are the type who will sell their souls.
Best part of working from home is not having to deal with coworkers in person. No drama. No HR. Just get your work done. Dont use the computer for ANYTHING other than business. Collect paycheck.
Sadly, the current narrative is bent on attacking opinions such as yours. For instance, according to influential personality Ellon Musk, remote work if for entitled lazy people (because you can't flog them).
@@retrospectgaming8754 Unions suck anyway. Modern unions are their own form of employee manipulation often siding with management because it's easier. Just sitting back and collecting their dues from people they have no intention of helping when they need to.
@@merovmerov7631 I like Musk, but I would never work at any of his companies for that very reason--it's like he's doing you a favor by hiring you and you working tons of extra hours for no extra pay. I'm tired of all of that. Pay people what they're worth and expect that they will have lives outside of work and you don't own them just because they work for you. Amazon was the same way. So are most all of the California-based tech companies.
I learned this lesson the hard way. My manager was undermining me with a particular employee of the opposite sex. When I went to HR with my complaint I was somehow demoted a few months later. That certain employee now has my position and has hired a bunch of friends and family. I also found out HR and my manager vacation together and are besties. Doing the right thing doesn’t always work out for everyone.
These kinds of antics are rampant in HR. The problem is that HR offices are run by some seriously unethical, unprofessional demons. It's just ridiculous. I was shocked when I got my HR job because the office I was hired in NEVER hired black people. That's another issue with MOST HR offices - they're notoriously racist in hiring.
@@christopherhamilton5557 We got a funny saying in Germany. "Being right and being given right are two separate matters". It sadly translates a bit poorly, it's a funny wordplay.
I did write notes diligently for 6 years. It did not help. Company i worjked for 16 years betrayed me. My worker union betrayed me - working in interest of the company (a hospital), my lawyers that worked on my case for work compensation for bullying at work place did betray me. Only my wife and family did not betray me and my doctors.
Jehovah notices everything and has a perfect sense of Justice s.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
Thank God someone is bringing all the HR toxicity to light. Most of the HR departments I dealt with over the years seemed to hire the most corrupt and deranged individuals they could find.
The line manager makes the call on who's being hired. HR just gives advice, supports with interviewing and of course with attracting the right candidates based on the Job Description which includes cultural fit.
@@newtonmoon HR is deeply involved in disciplinary and termination processes, as they tend to know how to skirt labor laws better than a manager. I know from personal experience. I was fired for concerted activity with trying to organize a union and petitions. HR made the final decision. Not the production or the plant managers.
We had a supervisor that everyone was calling HR and complaining about. I tried to warn them, but no one would listen. Not only did HR go straight to him and tell him about every complaint and who complained, but he was recently promoted to a higher position giving him even more power over those same people. Now he knows exactly who to target and he knows the company has his back.
I worked for Bechtel Power Corporation as an engineer, and had an HR guy tell me that "nothing we talked about would leave his office", so I gave him the run down on the shenanigans I saw in my immediate management. True to his word, "nothing was said outside of his office", instead he brought my manager INTO HIS OFFICE and TOLD HIM EVERYTHING... Go figure where my job went after that.
Sometimes it's just better to keep your nose out of things and let others do what they will unless it will affect you personally. Even then, it's better to send an anonymous letter to upper management and let them investigate on their own without you being involved.
So what you do is get those people to accuse you of doing something instead and then when they complain to HR, they’re the ones that get terminated. Listen if the company wants to play this Machiavellian shit then by all means let the games begin
Wow I worked for them too at one point. I liked it for a while but their management were nothing but lying snakes. They'd run over their own mothers if it saved them a dollar. When we'd have those Town Hall meetings I wanted to throw up half the time listening to the CEO Nepotism Bechtel.
My degree is in HR. By the time I graduated, I realized I was getting a degree in lawsuit avoidance!! This video just proves my reality check!!! I went into training and have NEVER regretted not working in HR! Sooo sad!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Occupations like lawyer, accountant and HR self-select for liars and thieves. The vast majority of people who study for those professions in good faith walk away when they realise what it entails leaving the sickos and criminals to dominate the fields.
@@erinericsson Look at the camels, how He created them, at the sky, how He raised them, at the mountains, Look at the camels, how He created them, at the sky, how He raised them, at the mountains, how He erected them, and at the earth, how He raised them He erected them, and at the earth, how He raised them
I recently learnt 1 HR is for the company 2. open door policy is anything but 3. When HR says ‘no stress, no drama’ it is in fact the opposite 4. No such thing as an anonymous survey In short get in stay quiet do your work then go home. It is work and everyone that works there is not your friend
I worked in HR for 25 years and felt the same way you did. A majority of the problems we encountered was due to management not being trained on how to manage. They would throw people into positions and they either sank or swim. To me, this just set people up to fail.
It's been my experience the worst employees get promoted because higher ups are tired of them screwing up, the company can't afford to move great workers off the line.
Honestly for me I wouldn't go to HR done my research it's not for the workers it's actually for the business it's how it was set up. I think people get a little misconception what HR is but I mostly think people wind up wasting their lives no offense working for businesses so long they drain their energy when back in the day even in the old times you were paid daily mainly because people didn't want to waste your life and your time you just work somewhere for a few days and moved on to another town and gained experience I'm a bit of a nerd here kind of liking the old anime I think when it comes to like full-time and part-time people should settle down somewhere first. what do you think?
@@shoeplayisbad1 sadly HR is not for the employees people that believe it's for the employees it is not it is for the company when a faulty product a customer buys and has to return it the store that has the product calls the company's HR department HR is not for the employees this is why HR keeps getting backed up between people calling in about faulty products and the employees. When it comes to benefits that's between the one being interviewed and the employer, and secondly it Corporation cannot give a contract to a man or a woman it is against corporate law you can look up UCC 1-308 there's a thing called Hierarchy laws
Hierarchy laws Universal laws- main principal (whatever energy you put out must come back) Natural law- deals with natural ways of all objects and being which have manifested in the third dimension. Laws of maxim- also known as God's law" those laws come straight out of the Bible enter the highest laws of the land they are right given by God to all beings and cannot be taken away by anyone Sovereign- human being a being that is master of self operates under God's laws has the ability to create laws and constitutions for itself and corporations that it creates. Contract law- a set of laws would Sovereign worldwide adheed to in Commerce offers + acceptance = contract. Treaties- laws made between two sovereigns that deal with a particular track of land Constitution- laws created by a sovereign that govern a corporation created by a sovereign Corporation- a dead fiction entity operates under the laws of the Constitution developed by the sovereign does not have the ability to create laws can only create code statutes and ordinances. Federal codes- codes which govern the corporation with corporations including UCCS Police corporations and agents- private agencies of corporations that belong to equivalent to a private citizen. Citizen- a slave of the corporation to which it pledges does not have rights only has privileges which are given to it by the corporation to which it pledges Not only this however never put an "of" in between a state or a city example California States is different from State of California Michigan county is different than the city of Michigan County Missouri State it's different then state of Missouri And finally each state has their own Constitution plus there's the United States for America's Constitution Oh and a resident by definition is someone in a particular area for business we are not residents in our homes we are occupants we occupy we don't reside Not only that federal law has no High Ground over state law in the Constitution states have authority the federal government does not
@@lilblackduc7312 I know you're exaggerating but a cousin who did sub-300 level courses recently was deeply frustrated at the amount of time spent on indoctrination saying it took up more than 50% of actual classtime. It was already the theme of nearly every assignment when I was there in the early 2000's, in 03-04 in unrelated classes I did projects on racism, racism, sexism, "slow food", racism and then one about machine language translation that was great but I noticed the professor on that one was an ex-marine and I realize now he probably wasn't playing along and was impossible to fire as a veteran or something. I bet you if I check back they metoo'd him or something lol.
You hit the nail right on the head. Seen this stuff actually play out way too many times. Don't ever be that "company person"... in the end, you could give your life for the company and you would not even be a distant memory the next.
Once had a friend who went to HR for nearly everything, and thought they were her friends. I tried to tell her that HR was to protect the company, not her. She pooh-poohed me, but soon after, they "friended" her right out of that company.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I hated when HR was around and colleagues, they'd be all friendly and chipper with you and brown nose the HR rep. I'd say not a word and put in my headphones in.
Our HR department keeps it a little too real. My coworker complained about something and the HR rep told her, "just so you know everything I do is designed for the companies best interest and I'll be acting accordingly with them in mind". I was like, well damn.
Exactly. These companies really need to move away from having an HR department. They need something that is actually helpful to employees. A department that really does address the wrongs that happen between management and staff can still prevent lawsuits.
In my 30 year career over 7 organizations I have never met a HR that protected employees over the company. I know of several very troubling harassment incidents at these companies and the company basically used the opportunity to help themselves build cases against the poor employees. This video is pretty much spot on.
@GodwynDi heh that sounds about right. I came into HR to help employees. I do exactly that and it results in stonewalling and terrible job security for me. Csuite eventually catches on to the changes I implement and when that happens my days are nunbered. Those changes? Educating the workforce on their rights, writing policies that make employers accountable and general agitation with subtle "unionize" hints to name a few. By the time I'm getting scurried out the door the damage is done. I've met 2 other HR reps in my 8yrs that had integrity but man is that rare, it sucks to be hated because so many of my peers out there are horrible people...but if it's not me it's some shite people that will run the show as you mentioned. When I left CA to be with family in IL I noticed a HUGE difference on employees not knowing their rights, and astonished at the lack of rights we have in comparison... IL DOL is severely lacking teeth.
One great thing about TH-cam is that it's allowed Lawyers create so much more value in the world. This information is super helpful to a lot of people, but ordinarily it would be way less likely for them to find out about that. Traditionally, this kind of helpful information would at least be behind some kind of paywall. Everybody wins now, because the lawyer gets to educate people and advertise at the same time.
The best thing to do is to document all incidents, have witnesses and put all complaints in writing and send all complaints to HR in emails. When I sent a complaint to HR in an email, they immediately wanted to talk to me, asked me why I sent an email, CC'd multiple HR employees, my bosses and the witnesses and why I didn't just talk to them, because now that it was documented and sent in emails to multiple people, HR would have to take action against the responsible party or put themselves and the company at risk.
Every HR fuckup I've ever heard of is due to inhuman levels of stupid and ignorance. It's only a short matter of time until these imbeciles commit some heinous malicious mistake. So it's not surprising that they react in such a way.
Tips: Treat work as it is: A Job. Its not a social gathering of friends and it sure as hell isn't a "family". Keep your head down and don't get noticed while doing work. They have all the power.
@@NormanReaddisthat's easier said than done mate. Because I've joined a company that was great then a few years later new directors took control and then it turned to be a vial and horrible place to work. No matter how good managers or HR are even if they care. If the directors at the top tell HR to cut costs. They have no choice
I was being harassed by a creep at my last job, and I very stupidly tried reporting it to HR. After her ‘investigation’, the HR lady came back and said she found no evidence of harassment, and in fact had come to the conclusion that I was in the wrong! The creep denied any wrongdoing and told her that I was being rude to him for no reason, and she decided to take his side and get rid of me instead. Ultimately the worst part of all this - that creep just got away with harassing me and now knows he can continue to get away with it and HR won’t do a thing. I feel sorry for whoever his next victim is.
I definitely learned my lesson! I at first didn’t say anything about the harassment as I was worried I would be accused of lying and lose my job, but after two years of it I’d finally had enough and couldn’t keep quiet any longer. I at first told my supervisor, and he actually said ‘I’m not sure if we should go through the HR lady because her and that guy (the creep) are quite close’ so even he had suspicions about her! So instead of going directly to her, we tried going to our general manager, but he then went to her, claiming ‘we have to go through HR for things like this’, and she claimed right off the bat that because the harassment started so long ago and because the creep only ever targeted me when there was no one around (so no witnesses) that they couldn’t investigate it, but they would speak to the creep anyway. The creep then claimed I’d been rude to him and HR ended up starting an investigation against me! The creep claimed he had ‘witnesses’ to my rude behaviour, and HR got statements from them which backed up his claims, but I noticed immediately on reading those statements that they contained lots of inconsistencies and things that just didn’t make sense, so I knew they weren’t true statements. I pointed these inconsistencies out to HR/management, but they still believed them! I believe the creep simply went to these ‘witnesses’ and told them of my claims against him and they agreed to back him up. I told the HR lady that was my opinion and she completely denied it as a possibility. ‘Oh, they signed those statements as accurate, and they know if they make false statements they could face disciplinary action so they would *never* do the that!’ My response was ‘well how can you *prove* whether they’re accurate or not??’ and she had no reply. She then fired *me* for ‘serious misconduct’ for ‘bullying’ the creep and ‘lying’ in my statements. This is *exactly* what I was worried would happen and why I didn’t report it sooner!
This information is spot on. As someone who has worked with many companies as clients, I have learned over the years that HR managers are the biggest two-faced snakes in any company.
I had an employer once admit during a company meeting that the only reason he took HR classes was to " know how to put us in our place legally" and other such gems
I was being harrassed by a coworker once. I made the mistake of going to management. What this man says is spot on. I would never do it again unless i was prepared to leave my job immediately.
Same, I ended up in a meeting with the person, HR, and management. The person still harasses me, and it's been three years. My daughter has also gone through this. Then they wrote her up for laughing, because the supervisor is buddies with the other person.
@@jordant993Never resign when you are sexually harassed. Make them fire you so you can get unemployment. Keep the records of the harassment and show it to the unemployment office.
It really does blow my mind how often I hear friends or acquaintances talking about how they've been wronged at work, and how they plan to get in touch with HR about the situation. They never seem to understand when I explain to them that, that's probably not a good idea. They don't seem to even believe me. But I was actually part of a class action lawsuit against an employer while I was still working for them. The employer was so bad that, when I gave my hours long videotaped deposition, they weren't even entirely aware of the fact that I still worked for them. It was kind of a nightmare but it was a very interesting and informative experience. Do not talk to HR. They are not your friend. Neither are your coworkers. Don't forget that last one especially.
Rule of thumb: Don’t go to HR unless it is important enough that you would be willing to pay an attorney to defend your rights. HR is not a counselor and is not your mom or dad. They aren’t there for whining about small things - they are a business protecting the bottom line. HR can easily find ways to write you up and get you fired if you are more trouble than they think you as an employee may be worth.
First place to go would be a good labor attorney and let their office document the issues. At some point, the attorney will have enough data that HR can't backtrack
This is true, I've seen multiple coworkers fired after going to HR with their problems. Just keep your head down and if you don't like your workplace apply elsewhere. It's not worth being unemployed.
I once heard this quote about HR: “HR is here to onboard new employees. Once a new employee is hired, they no longer give a damn about them.” [Their loyalty lies with the company printing their paycheck.]
Who is HR??? They are those Individuals who used Human as a Resource to give Profit to the Company. This Include Persuading you to Spy on your Colleagues outside the Company. Because this actually happens at me, where one of my HR actually Tricked me and one of my Co-worker to Spy one of our Colleague from other Department to find out whether he really got a Huge accident and Admitted at that City Hospital or Not.
I totally agree. I was an accident investigator for an airline. HR would sometimes try to get involved and it was a pleasure to give them a real kicking for doing so. What these mean arseholes could not stand was that their attempted or actual involvement would always be documented. HR were cited as a problem and not part of the solution. They didn’t like that at all.
Some of the best ways to combat this kind of stuff are to live below your means, save lots of money if you can so you have a rainy day fund, and never get too comfortable in any job where you think you're not expendable. There's always a beginning and an ending to every position and understanding that you're just there to do your job and provide for your family is a good way to think about work. Never take it personally, just focus on yourself and your job performance and walk softly around the troublemakers and keep a low profile.
I wish I knew about this when I was still in college. Unfortunately, I experienced almost everything that you've discussed. It totally changed me from being a friendly happy person to a distrustful one not wanting to socialize with coworkers. I realized that coworkers are not your friends or allies. They too will backstab or lie to save their jobs or to get promoted. The union helped save my job but my career died. Continuing to work there is like counting the days till you complete your sentence.
@@lindahollander3588 it's more difficult now with the diversity equity and inclusion workplace requirements. All it takes is to have one very sensitive person to get you disciplined.
@@bones5785 yep. I used to work in a kitchen with a college boy from the south. He refused to clean underneath the cool boxes. He would literally leave old food underneath the counters which attracts rats and roaches in downtown San Diego. He complained about "hostile work environment" because I would yell at him for refusing to clean food off the floor. He would try to sneak around it by offering to do the cleaning while I did the dishes, but I always knew he volunteered to "clean" because he was a lazy POS who would just sweep food under the counters. So anyway that's why the American Comedy Company doesn't serve hot food anymore.
@@bones5785 Tell me about it. The younger work force get a little title and push the power and you stand your ground --- BOOM! You're being disrespectful. So I've increased my sensitivity level to get them first. It's stupid but I only have 2 more yrs before I can retire with medical. I would retire now if I could get medical benefits. I have cancer but I don't believe I'm terminal enough to get Federal Disability. Doctor mentioned disability through work but I'm essentially minimum wage and 50% of that, I can't live off. I'm thinking of cutting off my treatment. I'd rather just die than have to keep working and die on their clock never to have a fucking retirement.
I've always found it interesting that most employees think HR is there for them. They aren't! They're there to protect the company. In almost every case I've ever witnessed in which an employee complains to HR about something or someone, it ends up not turning out well for the person complaining.
There are certain times when an employee should complain, but not at the frequency in which people go to HR nowadays. I make a clear line in my video How to Complain Properly to HR.
Absolutely. I work in HR (and I love my job) and I was doing an interview the other day for a position in my own team. The (quite junior) candidate was going on and on about how they want to “help people” by joining HR. I stopped them to explain they were going to be working for a company, and it would sometimes mean unpopular decisions…
To me, it's a simple matter of "Who's buried in Grant's tomb". The department is called "human resources". They hire just enough human beings to get the job done, pay them just enough to keep them from quitting, a lay some of them off occasionally to scare the rest of them into working longer hours. You are a living, breathing human being, working hard to support your family, and you are literally just a disposable RESOURCE to them.
Thanks for everything you do. I'm on long term sick leave regarding a workplace injury, and keep being called by HR pretending to be concerned for my welfare, but really they are reporting back to management trying to undermine my case. Everyone thinks I am paranoid, including my medical team, but having viewed this video. I feel vindicated.
Trust your gut. I've seen people who were great employees without a single blemish to their record get fired after getting a cancer diagnosis. The company suddenly came up with a reason they weren't doing a good enough job. But it was really so they didn't have to accommodate their chemo and radiation treatments. The employer was a hospital of all places.
I can relate to this. I'm working for a company that when I announced my cancer diagnosis almost three years ago and had surgery, they offered only half of wages for FMLA. At the time I'd been with the company 8 years. I was out 7 weeks to heal from my surgery and ended up taking out a loan just to make up the difference of what they wouldn't pay me. This is legalized wage theft to the N degree. Brandon is right, companies as a rule truly dont support employees, unless you bend over backwards to kiss their ass and even this is NO GUARANTEE you will keep or have a job.
Trust your gut. I was on worker’s compensation and the company told me don’t worry about my job and just get better. During my physical therapy sessions, I found out more times than not, people loose their jobs. Sure enough, when I called to let them know I was released to work, I was told I no longer had a job.
@@moosefoot11221 FMLA only keeps your employer from firing you while you're on medical leave for yourself or your family, it doesn't guarantee any wages while on leave.
I used to work at Home Depot and a co-worker who was a real POS and often bullied everyone else was also dealing drugs on the job. I reported him to HR and the first thing HR did was go to him and told him that it was me who reported him. He threatened my life and harassed me to the point I requested to be put on a different shift opposite from him. In return Home Depot fired me
This is the real problem with HR. They always go back to that person and give them a head's up so whatever you're experiencing gets WORSE. Usually the person just becomes more covert about what they're doing to you, in my experience. HR is horrible.
Wow this is Hilarious the same situation happened to me at Home Depot also. Been with the company for 6 years and there was a associate who got promoted to DH and the first thing he did within 2 weeks of his new title, he writes me up for some bs about stacking Drywall incorrectly. Mind you, i havent been written up in 3 years prior to this and all of a sudden this kid writes me up. I already knew once he got promoted he was gonna go after me because he would always try to act like a ASM and tell associates what to do, etc. and i told him he’s not the boss and dont tell me what to do. Its funny because almost half the store banded up and actually signed a petition to demote him from DH because of his abuse of power. But guess what? I go into the managers office and specifically told the manager this kid was always troublesome and my mistake was just that. Going to the manager and i will never forget after the conversation the manager says to me “dont worry, you wont get fired unless you do something absolutely stupid” come to find out after i made numerous complaints to HR about him, the manager opens the case and goes to HR from the headquarters side and they call me and say i am terminated but never gave me a specific reason why i was. Looking back, i dont really care because Home Depot lost a very good and hard worker. I got along fine with everybody and even had a couple ASM’s call and text me directly saying how sorry they were about what happened to me and that it was all corruption from the start. Hopefully that store Manager gets fired.
@@ggymnast3 Yep. Can confirm that HR does this. I went to HR about my boss and they went right back to my boss. So my boss just became more covert about the abuse after that so it was hard to prove. HR is full of shit.
I also work home Depot. The woke politics is shite! The female leads constantly harass my department (all males) and they done nothing about it. If anything they rationalize their bad behavior
I can vouch on the arbitration thing even here in Iowa. It's recently reinforced worker's rights and my company tried to get everyone to sign an arbitration agreement. My uncle and I got pretty good at Legaleze and so I read through the whole thing and looked them dead in the eyes right as my coworkers were about to sign (cause they were dumb and tried to do this all in a big group) and said, "I refuse. I won't sign this even if it costs me my job." My coworkers asked why and I explained they couldn't sue the company if they got injured doing something they were effectively ultimatumed into doing. They'd have to take it to the company's judge. HR tried to say I was wrong and it was a neutral private judge and I said, "Private judge? Who pays him?" And they tried to deflect by saying it could be a woman so I said, "Them, than. Who pays them?" The argument went on for a bit longer before everyone in my crew at my department (maintenance) refused and so I looked at them. "What's it gonna be? Hire 8 new mechanics in the next 3 days or go forward with the risk?" Whelp. I had my job for another 3 years after that. Now the company is going belly up because of poor management.
The way to break them of arbitration is to Uber-tration them and have everyone file at once. Sign the papers and then file for being coerced to sign the papers. Collect notes on anything that even implies you're being pressured to sign. Most states have the concept of constructive terminatition. That's when your employer does something that effectively constitutes firing you like changing shifts to force a single Mom work during the time she should be picking up her kids. Make them hire enough arbitration judges for the entire company since most arbitration agreements include language around the time permitted to conduct the arbitration. That cost alone can bankrupt some companies.
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I’ve met a good HR lady, I even caught my manager rolling his eyes at her during our meeting, she was doing her job in good faith, The next meeting they had replaced her with some nasty HR guy, can tell his very narcissistic! At the end, I didn’t leave without a fight and I don’t regret it.
I was bullied by my line manager on several occasions and went to HR with evidence and witness testimonies. I had glowing appraisals prior to this. The bullying was downplayed by HR and I was isolated and set up for failure. God saved me and quickly got me out of that toxic environment. HR works for the employer, not employees. It is so obvious now. They often have no integrity or value for people. Be smart people! I pray for peace in your life ❤
I’ve Been there I was in that situation for 9 and a half years. Right before I got out of that company, I threatened to personally sue each manager in that company. I told the HR rep during the meeting I wasn’t coming after the company, just the on site management. They ran out of there so quickly because I wrote my whole day down everyday. Take time to heal from that it’s important took me 2 years because I was harassed so badly. In the end God provided me a way out, he hears what’s going on trust him!
@@KaozVirtus God has actually really blessed me financially because I’ve been faithfully tithing. If you’re looking for a Bible thumper you’ve got the wrong guy
I just recently got let go and EVERYTHING you mentioned in this video makes SO much sense. I was on a PIP “personal improvement plan” and so many lies against me led to this situation I’m in. I NEVER had to deal with HR ever in my career until my last manager (who I already didn’t like) had it out for me and HR never saw where I came from just stuck up for the manager and the company. I appreciate this video. Thank you !
Yea I can’t even get Unemployment because of my last job. I was on a PIP as well. Highkey I wanna get the HR bitch beat up but I can’t. I was working with an Auto car company. Last job I’m ever gonna have in my life. They’re just not for me.
Great video. And yes, I've learned the hard way that HR is, "not your friend." A few tips to add: it's just a job. Don't let it become your reason for living. NEVER let them destroy your sense of humor. HR hates cheerful, life-loving employees. Rise above the BS -- and I don't mean brown sugar. In high school and college, I was in the theatre clubs and then did off Broadway for a year, post college. In one meeting with an HR director, I pretended to go into convulsions and fell off the chair and spewed spit and waggled my tongue. He called paramedics. It was awesome. They wheeled me out on a gurney. In the ER, a doc gave me Valium. Sweet. From then on, I played the illness card: "If I could just get a heart transplant." Then my brother called the HR director and pretended to be my attorney and yelled: "WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO TO MY CLIENT!" We laugh so hard about it, years later. It's just life, kids. Don't take it too seriously.
😂😂😂. Thank you for the laughs. Are you a writer or have you written a book? How was your career down the road? I wish I knew way back when the tactics for dealing with HR and the workplace overall. No use dwelling on the past, but I can share and encourage those trying to navigate the workplace and remind them to be *STRATEGIC* as employees: document everything, keep applying for positions (even after you land a job), and give yourself raises by moving to bigger and better at another company.
Congrats! That's awesome. I am looking at this especially as many docs are choosing to become employees. Good luck with school and residency applications!
just found this channel. He is of course 100% correct. HR is never your friend, many younger employees believe mistakenly that HR is like the high school counselor. Don’t go to them for anything, other than information on employee benefits. And even when you do that, they might just hand you the employee benefits booklet.
My complaint I brought to HR actually went pretty well. I started out (and factually true) with "I already sought legal counsel and was instructed to come here before we continue"
@@waqasleo315 That's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a strong chance you were just in the wrong. I've seen a lot of workers who don't understand the simple dynamic of "do the work, get paid", and expect something more from employment.
@@SyndicateOperativethis isn't the 1980s or 1990s corporate world. Most do their job. The issue is managers create environments of hostility which doesn't make employees work better all the time
Back in January of this year I got fired from my job. I was (and still am) absolutely devastated and shocked by the termination because there were no verbal warnings, or write ups of any kind regarding my work performance. I'm fairly certain that the HR tyrant used the Open Door Policy and lied to me to find an excuse to get rid of me. However, I'm also positive that I did sign an arbitration agreement, but I was so excited to get the job I just signed it. Needless to say I'm certain that I didn't fail the company; the company failed me.
I've personally experienced everything he is expressing. Never go to HR. Save your company emails, try to only communicate with management in writing and retain a attorney.
@@stratelite1337 It's more accurate to say the investigation is to find out what evidence the employee has, whether it's incriminating, and whether the employee has made said evidence available to themselves and their attorney outside the employer's control. Hence, every company having strict infosec, recording, and nondisclosure clauses nowadays; they want to be able to fire you if you, for example, email incriminating evidence to yourself or record HR conversations (in a one-party consent state) which you can access outside company resources. The one and only time I got significant headway in an HR investigation against a hostile supervisor, was when they fudged their DARVO shtick. I clapped back with a zip document containing dozens of screenshots; Slack chatlogs; Quip backups and changelogs; recorded meeting notes and minutes with dates, times and names; and archived emails that I'd sent from my personal email, with my attorney CC'ed and a "no uncertain terms" reminder that retaliation is illegal by state and federal law. They got the message, my case was escalated to corporate, and it was actually handled fairly from that point forward. So naturally, not a month later our infosec policy magically, mysteriously, changed so that chatlogs are wiped regularly, and the Windows snipping tool was disabled on all company computers.
I’ve had to learn the hard way on some of these. It really opened my eyes to how important the social factor at work is. At the end of the day you can be good at your job, but if you don’t fit in they will document nonsense and get rid of you. Meanwhile other people who fit in can do whatever they want and there’s no repercussions. Thank you for being open and honest about how things actually work in corporate america.
Amen. It’s sad truly, but hey one day we won’t need HR anymore. For heaven don’t have any liars or deceivers( plus more) there. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Tell the Lord, Jesus Christ that you are sorry for your wrong doings and you need His help. Ask Him to come into your heart and be your Lord and Savior and He will. Start reading the Bible talking, listening, and obeying His Word as best you can. He will help you from the moment you receive Him as your Lord and Savior.
Yep, see this at my job every day. They're also big on DEI stuff, black and especially black women get away with murder. I had to point out some pretty significant mistakes they've made and dereliction of duties and been told "they don't have the same work ethic as you, it's unfair to expect that of them. Why are you trying to make them look bad?" No, I was just showing you that they're blatantly ignoring company policies. But I'm the bad guy.
@@shawnd9759 Oh give me a break. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If prayer and religion were the answer then humanity would never have denigrated to this point in the first place. Your Jesus didn't lift a finger to save his people during WW2 so what makes you think he's going to help anyone now?
I’m someone who doesn’t understand social nuance. I often times don’t understand all this corporate nonsense, my parents never had to navigate it. This was super helpful and insightful to understand how things actually work. Thank You!
I played a mean, dirty trick on an HR Mgr once who fired a real good person in our dept (well over 30 yrs ago) who herself had gone to HR over a supervisor sexually harassing her. She didn't deserve that treatment so I decided I was going to get even with the head of HR on her behalf and it was a harmless prank. He would brag during hunting season about the doe's and buck's he killed every year and that got old so I wanted to hit him in the pocketbook as well as in his hunter's heart... I took a day off knowing the mgr's wife was out of town that day and snuck over to his house early in the morning just after he left for work. Quickly I swiped the electric meter off the side of his house and promptly dropped it into a dumpster behind a gas station. He was fit to be tied the next day because his fridge and 'three' deep freezes (all deer meat filled) stopped working and he lost all his fresh food plus he had to deal with the electric company repair crew to get it reconnected the following day before his wife got back.
@@Emc4421 I guess that depends. If they own their clinic they probably don't need to do any navigating. If they work at a hospital, they probably have protection from getting fired because they are doctors. They may worry about malpractice though.
This is 100% true in every way shape and form. I've been working for the same company for 21 years. We've always wondered why we can't keep GOOD HR people around. They always quit. Word gets out its a toxic environment and if a nice HR person actually cares about helping the employee they are forced out. If they are miserable with no people skills they stick around for years.
I resigned from my job after HR “investigated” me for a ridiculous claim of bullying made by the trainer of an online seminar I participated in. Apparently my tone made him feel “unsafe.” I thought it must be a joke, but no, they were deadly serious. HR never told me who they interviewed or which questions they asked, but they found me guilty of “misconduct” and ordered me to attend two more training sessions on “effective communication” with the very same trainer who made the complaint against me 🤔
wait a minute, a trainer in an online seminar, and you made him feel "unsafe", like you weren't actually in the room with them, and I'm assuming you had the good sense to not use any outwardly hostile language, that can be a problem in 2022 as a lot of people have lost their better judgement in the name of "freedom of speech" without understanding what that means. Anyway if you do mind your ps and qs and this happened he was definitely just out for a repeat customer.
Worked for Walmart for almost 20yrs! The stories I could tell about that place! Ended up with a back injury and that’s when things got really interesting! Ended up with a really good settlement so it all worked out in the end. Sad that not many people can say that!
If you’re legitimately wronged at work, laws were broken, your rights were violated etc, get a lawyer and blindside them. Don’t go to HR. Don’t give them early warning. They are not your friend. They are the Stasi. They are deceitful and malicious.
After 20+ years of experience in corporate America, I concur that this information is 1000% accurate! (Yes, 1000%, not 100%) It's sad but true. HR is just a political tool for the company to use against employees.
Why does everyone act as if this is a surprise? I own a company and we maintain an HR Department to manage the employment process, maintain required documentation, process legally required issues such as FMLA and whatnot. WE DON'T CALL IT THE MOMMY AND DADDY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT ISN'T. Never pretended it was.
@@pcp-xo1wj It's definitely not a surprise and that's the sad reality of this subject. It's a shift from the culture of HR over the last few decades. Formerly, they were an unbiased business unit - an advocate for the employees and for management. Today, many HR departments have lost the component for care for the employees and only work on behalf of the organization. Instead, they have shifted to an unethical and political tool for the management. I own a business as well as a Business Consultant and this is one of the pitfalls that I help companies avoid. Hope this helps!
> It's amazing that there are still people in the workforce that are so blissfully ignorant that they believe HR is there for the employees benefit. I'm amazed so many people believe 'governments' are there to help them.
It’s really not the fault of people in the workforce that they are “blissfully unaware” of whose interests HR really represents when these companies are allowed to effectively lie to their employees about HR’s true role. The only way most learn about this is by becoming a victim of the system by trying to resolve issues through HR. Students should be taught about this in high school, before they ever enter the workforce, so they can protect their interests. But instead these schools teach “wokeness” and other such divisive propaganda. We live in a corporate state, not a democracy.
My HR is a nightmare in a different way. They want a family dynamic in the company. Thanks to this, they keep forgiving toxic coworkers and pretty much forces us to adapt to them. Why?
Excellent video. I worked in retail for twenty years before moving on to greener pastures. I knew never to trust HR because I saw how badly it turned out for any of my fellow employees who did. Even on the managerial level, when managers complained up the chain, they'd find themself punished or fired. I remember a coworker who needed to have surgeury on his ankle, and the company would not give him time off to do it...for five years! He also tried to get transferred to a store closer to home to help him deal with familial responsibilities. The district manager threatened to send him to a store sixty miles away, which would have been on top of the thirty miles he already traveled to and from work every day. When he was finally able to transfer to a store closer to home, after two decades of working for this company, they deliberately overloaded him with work to try and get him to quit. He didn't quit, but they busted him down from store manager to cashwrap manager, and finally to department manager, ever farther down the totem pole. He quit working for the company, tiring of the BS about a decade ago. But I thought to myself, "If they would do something like this to such a stellar employee, who did everything in his power to turn the store around and make it function, how many other employees have they screwed?"
This is spot on! I’ve always told people who say they are going to HR that they should know that HR is not there to hear your complaints, and that they are not on your side.
Not always true. Depends where you work. The whole reason I joined HR was to make an impact on the company culture. I like to plan activities, catering, events for employees to show appreciation. I take employee complaints very seriously and try my best to come up with the best solution immediately. Unfortunately there are some that are legit and some that aren’t. There are situations where the manager is disciplined and situations where the employee is disciplined. If I told you about some of the crazy nonlegit complaints I have received you would be shocked or burst out laughing of how insane they were.
wellbeing a Project Execution Admin, I only go to HR, for Problem Occurring on our Vendor/Contractor's Compliances at the Customer Site, because this will delay or Completely Halt the Payments from the Customer site. Here in this case, you will find the Proactiveness in HR Dept or even found HR doing Motherly treatments towards you because that will be the Company as a Whole Concern Not an Individual's Problem . Other than that, I don't even peep to the HR dept.
@@InGodITrust333 My Experience. I first went to the HR, to solve my Critical problem which was actually related to Company Work. Instead of Giving me Solution, he itself asked me YES WHAT IS THE SOLUTION????? looool
Yeah. HR at the Amazon where I worked was more than horrible; they were aggressively vicious. Just part of Amazon's unspoken "revolving door" employee management syndrome: Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing.
I got fired after they installed a new policy they never disclosed to me about quality and production, didn't have money to pursue them nor could find my original agreements and policies when i first joined years ago
Same here my friend! When I was still with Amazon a couple of years back I got into a big fight with one of the HR reps because he came at me with that macho wannabe attitude. Amazon HR reps are the absolute worst!!
"Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing." To be fair, that's not just Amazon. It's definitely all tech companies in the Valley and, from my experience, most companies in the USA.
One of the best tools you have to defend yourself as an employee is to keep detailed records of events. Keep date, time, persons in conversation, what was said, etc in your records. Do not tell *anyone* you keep the records! Also, be sure to know the employment laws of your state and how to contact the DOL in your state. Remember, companies are only interested in their welfare, not yours. I have won a case against one of my former employers but the process is draining.
Absolutely. Thank you for writing such a relevant comment. I speak from both observation and experience as I write this. This information is likely going to save certain people lives, sanity, mental health and career trajectory. I've seen it work in very ugly work situations. Be your own insurance policy. Do the essential write up, even though it may feel somewhat redundant or tedious. Look over your day and just write entry or bullet point format of what was covered by HR, management or how situations were handled. This is going to be the facts you will rely on (with dates, possible times and names, as mentioned above).
My wife made a complaint about her employer to the California DOL when we lived there. The DOL arbitrator basically did all the things talked about in this video. Her employer had routinely had complaints filed, and he was practically on a first name basis with the arbitrator.
sounds like its time for EXTREME MEASURES TO MAKE THE COMPANY GO BANKRUPT AND EVEN CLOSE ITS DOORS!. anything you do to cost the company money is a small step. simply throwing a blank sheet of paper into the shredder, wasting hot water, flushing 2 or 3 times, pens and other supplies into trash etc... SMITH AND WESSON MAKE THE WEAKEST PERSON AS STRONG AS THE STRONGEST MAN!!!
I agree fully. So perhaps attorneys (such as Mr. Robertson) should not be hired as HR Professionals. The large majority of HR professionals have never been lawyers. But you do not need to be a lawyer to understand state or federal employment law and you certainly do not need to be one to treat employees with empathy and respect. That's what good HR teams do.
@@billymac6233 The lawyers are the criminals the Crown that are trying to control the Living People by deceiving the Silly People into thinking that the Defacto Laws are the Law for the People!!! The systems Defacto Color of Laws are Not Law and are Unconstitutional!!! L.A.W. = Land Air and Water is the only Law not some Fake statues acts titles or codes etc. People wake up and know that you are Not some dead corporate entity citizens used as a Living sacrifice for the Defacto Babylon system 🙄 Self Hate is too not recognize the Self as Master because you are the only one that can save the Self!!! #KyrieIsRight #YeIsRight
If you want to complain about something serious, 1) be ready to leave that job, 2) bring your attorney to the meeting. They will be much more cautious with you and probably have their attorney attend the meeting.
Your lawyer will cover this, but everything from you has to be in writing. It is important to have an accurate record of exactly what your complaint is. If you check , it is also helpful to use exact phrasing lifted from your state's employment law. For example: "California law requires that employers pay overtime, whether authorized or not, at the rate of one and one-half times the employee's regular rate of pay for all hours worked in excess of eight up to and including 12 hours in any workday, and for the first eight hours of work on the seventh consecutive day of work." Don't put quotation marks around it, just drop it into your complaint. They will recognize where it comes from and will understand that you are setting them up for a lawsuit if they do not follow the law. Also find a way to work in some language about retaliation: "Retaliation occurs when an employer (through a manager, supervisor, administrator or directly) fires an employee or takes any other type of adverse action against an employee for engaging in protected activity." Again, they will be expecting a lawsuit for Employer Retaliation if they fire you. Depending on the company, they may hold a grudge and slowly try to get you out of the company. But it will take a few years to avoid the appearance of unlawful retaliation. If it takes long enough, they may just forget about it, if your work is satisfactory otherwise in the mean time.
Either bring an attorney or have a letter from an attorney stating that they are looking into the details of your claim and generally companies will completely back off from you because they then know that you know how all the games are played and that you have legal counsel. Never make open threats, just do it and then watch management bend over backward to try to avoid a lawsuit with you.
Yes, have an exit plan in place as well as legal representation. Keep cool, otherwise this will escalate into an unwanted altercation. In this violent society we have now be very careful.
This is why it is so very important whenever approaching HR at the beginning of any dispute to outline that any and all communication regarding "this" is to be via email, also if it is done on a work device - phone / computer (which will more than likely be the companies IT department as the devices "administrator" I would highly recommend forwarding all communication to your personal email address.
I have worked for my company for ten years. Never had a customer complaint. One day customer comes in and i asked her politely to step back because we were still being careful as regards to covid. Next thing i knew i was up for an investigation. This customer was on her own when i served her. She emailed head office and told them quite a tale of me being rude. She also got a friend who was in the shop but in another area to complain to a manager about me upsetting her friend. My work colleagues were investigated and no one through me under the bus because the customer had lied. The next stage was disciplinary. There was no evidence. I asked the company to check camera footage there was no evidence. I was given a wriien warning that lasts a year. Also listening about company handbook. I did not sign a company handbook ever. It sucks that shop workers have no protection with false allegations. You have bee very insightful thank you
ON POINT! In the casino employment world in vegas, HR, directors, managers, they're all in the same click from my experience. My fix was that I went above hr to CORPORATE (off site) to file misconduct and EEOC and that's how I got my manager fired. Such a sweet victory when he got escorted to his car by security. No more micromanagement and false write ups.
@@hasanahmed9003 Good question! HR on site has conflict of interest with Managers on site, ask me how I know. After learning this the hard way I then went to Director of HR (off site) and filed with EEOC and let them know I wasn't playin.
Years ago, I was sucked into a harassment suit with an abrasive coworker whom the managers had been trying to fire but they had no real grounds. A supervisor went to HR and claimed this person harassed me. I get informed that I had to go to HR and support this story even though I had not filed any complaint. I go in and state he had never harassed me, he was just sarcastic. Months later when the case came up, the HR person had made up all sorts of claims. I shot down all those lies while asking why didn't she provide the taped inquiry? I was furious about being used as a pawn by my superiors.
wellbeing a Project Execution Admin, I only go to HR, for Problem Occurring on our Vendor/Contractor's Compliances at our Customer Site, because this will delay or Completely Halt the Payments from the Customer site. Here in this case, you will found the Proactiveness in HR Dept, Because that will be the Company as a Whole Concern Not an Individual's Problem . Other than that, I don't even peep or discuss anything to the HR dept.
I've worked in IT for about 25 years, for several different companies, and its crazy to me how most companies are set up for absolute failure. At the top is a CEO/dictator with absolute power. Below him are VP's who you rarely talk to the little people, have a lot of power, but don't even know what's going on because they make lower managers like Directors and Managers do all the work. Their job is to just once in awhile give a long, rambling speech about teamwork or some other common sense topic. Everyone has to kiss up to the CEO and VP's and are too afraid to speak up when management is poor , so all the good workers just look for another job, then give 2 weeks notice and leave quietly. All the bad workers are careful to praise the managers while they treat their colleagues like garbage, so they remain there forever. Basically like the speaker said, HR's job is just to protect the company, CEO, and executives, including all their bad decisions. HR rarely puts anything in writing because they know most of the things they say are unethical and even illegal. The happiest day in my life will be when I finally retire and no longer have to play this wicked corporate game.
This comment was so sad to read... but honestly, you are right. It's more important to focus on your life outside the company, because work and the corporate world as it's been set up today is just... ridiculous. Hope you're doing well on your side of the pond, wherever in the world you happen to be.
I've got 15 more years to put in and I'm out. I can technically just drop out earlier, I learned to save money. I'm just done. I go to work to work. Not to make buddies that can't wait to slide the knife in. Nah. I'm ready to become a friggin hermit......
I don’t care for the people I have to work for but I’m staying under the radar and don’t praise anyone. Why? Because the pay is good and no one bothers me. It’s about bringing in as much money as possible with the least amount of stress. You being a “good” or “bad” employee doesn’t always dictate.
Scenario 2 happened to me: (being harassed by an employee who has been harassing other women) I went to my leader to complain about him being touchy and creepy. I provided dates, times, and locations that they pulled up on camera. I didn't want to write a report about it, but I was forced into documenting the experiences. I was told it would be in "confidence". Lies!!! The very next day, the guy I complained about began to give me a dea+h stare everyday for about a week. He then continued to try and talk to me, after I clearly said I didn't want him speaking to me (we didn't work in the same department, but he always found a way) when speaking to my leader about him, she knew exactly who I was talking about before I said his name, because other women complained about him. You can guess what happens next, I was shortly fired, no writeups or anything. The HR rep was disgustingly rude when i requested my pto payout.... I could go on forever, just thank you for this video. I didn't know what I did wrong for so long, and it genuinely hurt. I wish I knew this sooner.
It's disgusting that companies deceive their employees into thinking HR exists to protect employees, instead of being honest about their function as company lapdogs that protect the companies interests above all else. It's not right either way though, the fact that they have to deceive us is evident of that.
When my company was targeting older higher-paid workers for layoffs, HR would only meet in-person or on the phone. So, we started documenting the key points discussed in the conversations, and sending a traceable email back to HR, giving them a chance to dispute the synopsis of the discussion. This email was also sent to selected co-workers and done immediately after the conversation with HR. And it worked. They stopped the layoffs.
I remember the days long ago when I worked for a company that really believed the job of HR was to look out for employees. The company knew the value of its employees and that the best way to keep this resource - and keep them happy and motivated - was by treating employees honestly and fairly. HR was an advocate for employees with management - that was their job. Perhaps those days are long gone and many companies today do not realize the value of their employees.
This is one of the many reasons why I’ve worked for myself and own my own business. Corporations have no loyalty to you and most have absolutely no interest in helping you realize your true potential. You are a cog in the wheel and disposable. There are no tax advantages to bring an employee. There are tons of tax advantages to being your own boss. “But I get benefits from my company…” You can find better more cost effective benefits being self-employed. The stories I hear from friends who work in corporate America are nuts. If you can control your own destiny and own your future, do it.
@@keithmarlowe5569, unfortunately, I don't have the time or capacity to take on any additional clients. Still, I would recommend, as you have a local SBA, that you probably also have a SCORE (Society of Retired Executives). SCORE Is an excellent organization that will connect you with mentors tailored to your needs as you start your new journey. You can do all your paperwork to establish your LLC online, and your SCORE mentor can help you with the steps, from your business plan to financing, implementation, and execution. One suggestion, if you don't have one already, find a great accountant and familiarize yourself with tax law. Best of luck, and happy new year!
I had to clean out an office that was used for a subcontractor at an industrial facility so that our company could use the office. I found a safety manual in the safety supervisors desk so I kept it because I thought I would find some useful safety tips in there. When I actually read it, every sentence started with “to insulate the company from liability, you must x”.
So they had established safety procedures and tips in place to reduce the likelihood of on the job injuries of their employees, keep their work comp costs down, and protect the company from lawsuits or OSHA complaints for not having these things in place? Wow, what a horrible idea 😂
@@carollucks8491 there was nothing in the book about keeping anyone safe, it had a lot of stuff to shift blame away from the employer to the employee or to other contractors. It was carefully worded as if it were written by a lawyer.
This is why, in Australia, the employment arbitration commission is an arm of government - not paid for by the company , and completely impartial (as it should be).
@@adventuress904 Not everyone lives in China, North Korea or the United States. Many countries have minimum wages set to a living wage, unfair dismissal legislation, mandatory paid leave for all employees, paid parental leave for all citizens, free healthcare, free university education, unemployment payments, government housing to decrease homelessness, free mental health… the list goes on.
@@adventuress904this mindset was carefully cultivated and spread by decades of neoliberal propaganda exactly so we wind up in the state we are now. Other countries get on just fine because they actually take their institutions seriously and invest in em.
@@adventuress904 this is also a case for bureaucracy is a good thing but you can never make that case to voters. Voters will just think it's more tax and wasted administrative space, even though it's an invaluable tool to dispense proper justice. Politicians know this And we'll take advantage of this feeling and will actively lie and say that more bureaucracy is bad, all in an effort to favor big corporations. I'm not even going to pretend like there's a Left Right bias split on this. Literally nobody who cares about their employment laws should ever be voting for any right-wing candidate
Schocking that i got this video recommended when im going through hell at my work because poor managers and HR, they have lied and even fabricated evidence. Everything you said it has happened to me and I'm in Australia.
I learned the hard way that HR exists to protect the company and upper management. Thats it. They are not there to help you at all. They are the absolute WORST department that actively works against you.
@@variant101 for me it was calling out my manager for reducing my role to in an attempt to get me resign. Provided evidence. Instead of supporting me, they offered me 5 months salary to leave.
As an employee who is currently dealing with this it is very much true sadly. I had an employee call me the b word at work more than once and almost sock me in front of a supervisor and nothing was done for me. Not even union did anything for me. I filed a federal law complaint in the state of CA and currently looking for an attorney. I had to quit and move companies because of the awful retaliation and toxicity from supervisors. It's depressing to feel so helpless. And also getting retaliation on my pay check by the company... almost being homeless because of it... I can't explain how appreciative I am for your channel 🙏🏽
I'll never forget the lesson I learned when I was young into my career (3-yr). My boss verbally told me that was "too young" to be promoted. I made a complaint to HR. They brought me in and took my boss' side and threatened if I come in 1-min late, ever, they'll fire me. I quit that night at 2am. I'll never, ever trust HR ever again. Treat HR like mushrooms: feed them shit and keep them in the dark. Also, I appreciate how he talks about the proverbial HR rep as "she". HR is rife with women.
Well crappy management is filled with men. Terrible people crave power regardless of gender. Men in management and women in HR work in tandem to screw you over.
Spot on. Be prepared to lose your job one way or the other. Harassed out or terminated for cause. Check all your state and federal whistleblower laws and rights first and make sure you follow any and all prescribed steps in reporting. If you have an EEOC protection collect all the evidence you can and file with EEOC first. Every company is completely complicit in these behaviors.
Here is the thing that I noticed as both a people manager and in individual contributor. HR always had tons of "market research" to show that salary ranges were correct and could not be increased to retain or attract employees. They also blocked promotions saying that the business does not need the people at the higher level. But the same time, they slowly promoted every person in the HR department (themselves) so that the lowest-level person in the entire department was an "HR Manager" with the corresponding pay grade. Most were at the director level and above.
This is why you get everything in writing. Emails are binding and only communicate through email. Now video can be recorded if you need too. In a one party state, you can record phone calls. But to be safe, emails are your friend. Detailed documentation is key too.
Yup, Completly Agreed. Sometimes your reporting Managers would give you a Completely Absurd Instructions, here in that case, you can always Gently but firmly ask your reporting manager to mail it.
I was employed for a company 5 years. I got injured and couldn't work until after surgery. After I got back out there I felt a lot of pain and per doctor's order , I did not take jobs after that one until my appointment. HR kept calling me telling me of I don't accept anymore jobs they will put me on "the list". They had fired me before my doctors appointment
NEVER go to HR to ask about things like disability benefits or ask for the forms. I have seen them work with management to rush through a (falsified) termination to prevent a woman with MS from filing for disability.
@SaveThatMoney411 I would go to the government office or website. I would fill out the documents, submit them to the government first (if possible), then give a copy to HR.
I worked in a variety of positions in HR for 20+ years. I 100% back this. I was sick of all the politics and nonsense. I'll never go back to HR.
What he said is correct HR are the worst
I can so understand your point of view Nickie. I hope you have found a more rewarding job and I am sure you did your best for people while you were in HR.
Can you please, please, tell us why come the majority of people in HR are women? I know it's kind of a stereotype that women dominate offices, but it really seems women like to work with something that has to do with dealing with people. Specifically with issues between people, arbitrage, relations... Am I wrong?
Good shit, don't go back, its trash. HR is probably the most useless department.
i agree too. I have less to 0 appreciation for HRs.
If you experience sexual harrassment, discrimination or witness any illegal activity from the company, get a lawyer and blindside the crap out of them. Going to HR about the problem gives the company a headstart on protecting themselves.
Yep that’s I did now .i was assulted badly at work and won’t do shit make sure safe for me to return to work
Facts had to learn this
100%
Lol. So true. I made this hr woman cry when I said "Thank God. I'm not happy here" when she wrongfully terminated me. She started crying! lmfao. Nothing funnier than watching the cowards live in misery.
Then the company can pretend they weren’t aware of what was happening and claim that if you had only brought it to the proper person’s attention they would have corrected it.
A close friend of mine who was an HR manager once advised me to never volunteer ANYTHING to HR. They work for the company, not the employee.
Ever worked for a company that had and "employee advocate?" The idea is to make you think that they're a kind of "public defender" for the employees. Sure they are... And who do these "advocates" work for? HR.
Yup, share things with them only if they point a gun to your head.
It depends on the HR professional I'd say. HR like other employees need to understand they are their own brand. Whilst employed by some company which they support, HR people especially when certified, have an obligation to be fair and ethical. Whilst supporting the company, employees need to be equally supported and it's a middle ground to be struck here. HR is more an art than a science as my friend always says. HR should advise the business properly and not just execute whatever they are told. It can be very challenging though and requires very resilient personalities. For example, I was asked to issue a warning letter to a person who leaves on time. Of course I didn't do it, and pushed back. Influencing skills are important too. It can get very tiring though and perhaps that's why some professionals just go down the easier path which is to follow the instruction.
I've had a couple managers set me up for the okeydoke. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT write witness statements against other employees if asked to do so by management. An employee was covertly making comments about me, I caught on, but it didn't bother me. My manager wanted to get rid of her and used me to get a statement on her file. That situation wound up in my review and I lost the opportunity to work in a position I was already performing and fully qualified for. I was not fired, but it soured it for me. Same stuff different company. My manager asked me to write a statement against my supervisor. The person handling HR matters then shared that statement with my supervisor and my manager then tells me my supervisor is trying to write me up. It never went anywhere because I stayed in good favor, but it was so messy and unprofessional. LOL
Nailed it 👍
Been telling all my coworkers for years HR is not your friend, they simply exist to keep the company from getting sued
لا إلاه إلا الله
@@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992 لا إلاه إلا الله No God except Allah
There are those who say that Jesus Christ is God, and there are those who say that he is the Son of God, and this is wrong.
God Almighty does not eat, drink, sleep, or die, but Jesus, the son of Mary, eats, drinks, sleeps, and dies
@@hhhghhhhhhhhh Jesus rose from the dead! He is the Lord Almighty. I pray you know His peace, His mercy, and His love.
My dad told me about this with the army 25 years ago. Never volunteer for anything, never complain about anything, never admit to anything. They're out to get you.
But we need to be very aware about their tricks.
There's HR in the Army too? 😮
@@deliveryguy7402U always need people within whatever establishment to protect it
That's any job you get even in nursing
@@deliveryguy7402 not human resources but yeah, imagine HR but worse x20
I got employed because I’m open and honest.
I got fired one year later for being open and honest.
Sorry to hear. Is there a possibility you were being open and honest about unprofessional things?
@@awyand you mean sexual harassment? You must be in Human Resources. I have only heard about sexual harassment from one or two people in my life.
Being open and honest is an assumption that most other people try to be open and honest. I've learned that most people will lie and betray whenever it suits them.
I am sorry for that man. I quit my previous job because of HR lie and backing company B.S.
@@SubvertTheState I don't mean sexual harassment and I'm not sure why my comment leads you to believe I'm in HR?: I have simply worked in a professional environment for large organizations for over 23 years.... so I know what I should and shouldn't talk about at work.
I never got employed in a field I studied for 5 years, because of being open and honest. I gave up on the field.
When I realized HR was supporting the manager and his select employees that were regularly bullying me, I started contacting the companies counseling service instead. The manager, employees, and HR rep that was actively trying to cover it up were all terminated within a month of me being wrongfully terminated.
You know the company I work for presently now, 12 years ago I was wrongfully terminated by a supervisor who had no verbal or written warnings to me. And I should have challenged that and I should have had the guy fired and if I would have known what I know now back then, he would have been. Even though he is licensed to be a spray supervisor for the landscape company that I work for, he was nothing but trouble. He had an ego. He went through employees constantly.
Bull-shit!
Jehovah watches everything and is Just .s.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
@@VestalNumbre The problem with HR is that they don't give a fk. They belong in hell for they are the devils advocate. They are the type who will sell their souls.
That’s such a huge tip.
Best part of working from home is not having to deal with coworkers in person. No drama. No HR. Just get your work done. Dont use the computer for ANYTHING other than business. Collect paycheck.
Sadly, the current narrative is bent on attacking opinions such as yours. For instance, according to influential personality Ellon Musk, remote work if for entitled lazy people (because you can't flog them).
problem with that is all the employees are divided and cant band together to fight back against management. the ultimate union buster.
@@retrospectgaming8754 Unions suck anyway. Modern unions are their own form of employee manipulation often siding with management because it's easier. Just sitting back and collecting their dues from people they have no intention of helping when they need to.
@@merovmerov7631 I like Musk, but I would never work at any of his companies for that very reason--it's like he's doing you a favor by hiring you and you working tons of extra hours for no extra pay. I'm tired of all of that. Pay people what they're worth and expect that they will have lives outside of work and you don't own them just because they work for you. Amazon was the same way. So are most all of the California-based tech companies.
Or not getting your work done and everyone else picking up the slack, as is the case with almost all people who "work" from home.
I learned this lesson the hard way. My manager was undermining me with a particular employee of the opposite sex. When I went to HR with my complaint I was somehow demoted a few months later. That certain employee now has my position and has hired a bunch of friends and family. I also found out HR and my manager vacation together and are besties.
Doing the right thing doesn’t always work out for everyone.
These kinds of antics are rampant in HR.
The problem is that HR offices are run by some seriously unethical, unprofessional demons. It's just ridiculous. I was shocked when I got my HR job because the office I was hired in NEVER hired black people. That's another issue with MOST HR offices - they're notoriously racist in hiring.
Sounds like our company.
I’ve learned over the years, you can be right, and still lose.
@@christopherhamilton5557 We got a funny saying in Germany.
"Being right and being given right are two separate matters". It sadly translates a bit poorly, it's a funny wordplay.
As a good 😮 lawyer once told me, ' if you dont write it down, it never happened '
I did write notes diligently for 6 years. It did not help. Company i worjked for 16 years betrayed me. My worker union betrayed me - working in interest of the company (a hospital), my lawyers that worked on my case for work compensation for bullying at work place did betray me. Only my wife and family did not betray me and my doctors.
@@TheBluesman511 I'm sorry for your troubles 😞
With a great family you will get past anything ❤️
God bless
@@kathyheavner3585 : Thank you very much.
Jehovah notices everything and has a perfect sense of Justice
s.+ 16 All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17
@@kathyheavner3585 : Would not wish ever happen to anyone something like that. It was ordeal.
Thank God someone is bringing all the HR toxicity to light. Most of the HR departments I dealt with over the years seemed to hire the most corrupt and deranged individuals they could find.
The line manager makes the call on who's being hired. HR just gives advice, supports with interviewing and of course with attracting the right candidates based on the Job Description which includes cultural fit.
You could infiltrate HR by pretending to be a sociopath.
@@newtonmoon HR is deeply involved in disciplinary and termination processes, as they tend to know how to skirt labor laws better than a manager. I know from personal experience. I was fired for concerted activity with trying to organize a union and petitions. HR made the final decision. Not the production or the plant managers.
They are better than tax collectors, but 2 steps lower than village rat catchers.
There is a clue in the terminology - „Human Resources“. It’s as Orwellian as all hell.
We had a supervisor that everyone was calling HR and complaining about.
I tried to warn them, but no one would listen.
Not only did HR go straight to him and tell him about every complaint and who complained, but he was recently promoted to a higher position giving him even more power over those same people.
Now he knows exactly who to target and he knows the company has his back.
Unfortunately, this is a very common story...
I worked for Bechtel Power Corporation as an engineer, and had an HR guy tell me that "nothing we talked about would leave his office", so I gave him the run down on the shenanigans I saw in my immediate management.
True to his word, "nothing was said outside of his office", instead he brought my manager INTO HIS OFFICE and TOLD HIM EVERYTHING...
Go figure where my job went after that.
Sometimes it's just better to keep your nose out of things and let others do what they will unless it will affect you personally. Even then, it's better to send an anonymous letter to upper management and let them investigate on their own without you being involved.
So what you do is get those people to accuse you of doing something instead and then when they complain to HR, they’re the ones that get terminated. Listen if the company wants to play this Machiavellian shit then by all means let the games begin
@@TheBanjoShowOfficial Evil, but effective. You're actually Catbert from the Dilbert cartoons, aren't you?
Wow I worked for them too at one point. I liked it for a while but their management were nothing but lying snakes. They'd run over their own mothers if it saved them a dollar. When we'd have those Town Hall meetings I wanted to throw up half the time listening to the CEO Nepotism Bechtel.
Hindsight is wonderful. Pity you hadn't included a big tall story that when repeated you would deny and he would be left with the "rotten potatoe".
If you think of HR as companies in house lawyers, then you will never be disappointed
Cheap in house lawyers 😂
Actually a lot of them are attorneys and or have law degrees
Never seen one @@Cma-l5d
Funny our HR manager does have a law degree
Most H.R. folks I've worked with over the years acted like they had a law degree but didn't. Total scum
My degree is in HR. By the time I graduated, I realized I was getting a degree in lawsuit avoidance!! This video just proves my reality check!!! I went into training and have NEVER regretted not working in HR! Sooo sad!!!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Occupations like lawyer, accountant and HR self-select for liars and thieves. The vast majority of people who study for those professions in good faith walk away when they realise what it entails leaving the sickos and criminals to dominate the fields.
لا إلاه إلا الله No God except Allah
@@hhhghhhhhhhhh Prove Allah exists.
@@erinericsson Look at the camels, how He created them, at the sky, how He raised them, at the mountains, Look at the camels, how He created them, at the sky, how He raised them, at the mountains, how He erected them, and at the earth, how He raised them He erected them, and at the earth, how He raised them
My god is that even a degree!!
I recently learnt
1 HR is for the company
2. open door policy is anything but
3. When HR says ‘no stress, no drama’ it is in fact the opposite
4. No such thing as an anonymous survey
In short get in stay quiet do your work then go home. It is work and everyone that works there is not your friend
I worked in HR for 25 years and felt the same way you did. A majority of the problems we encountered was due to management not being trained on how to manage. They would throw people into positions and they either sank or swim. To me, this just set people up to fail.
If a manager can't do the job of the folks they're supervising, how can they claim to be supervising any of the work?
It's been my experience the worst employees get promoted because higher ups are tired of them screwing up, the company can't afford to move great workers off the line.
Sounds like retail.
and they enjoy doing that because its the only thing that makes them happy.. because theyre evil... goodbye evil...
@@stonefox9124 this is where I work entirely. All the supervisors are fuck ups and were promoted
This is 100% legit. As a labor union member, HR is the last person I would ever talk to about issues.
Honestly for me I wouldn't go to HR done my research it's not for the workers it's actually for the business it's how it was set up. I think people get a little misconception what HR is but I mostly think people wind up wasting their lives no offense working for businesses so long they drain their energy when back in the day even in the old times you were paid daily mainly because people didn't want to waste your life and your time you just work somewhere for a few days and moved on to another town and gained experience I'm a bit of a nerd here kind of liking the old anime I think when it comes to like full-time and part-time people should settle down somewhere first.
what do you think?
Then you have labor unions that are company bought under the table. Its all about illusions
Hr is for employees but not the problems
Benefits, paperwork, hiring and so on
@@shoeplayisbad1 sadly HR is not for the employees people that believe it's for the employees it is not it is for the company when a faulty product a customer buys and has to return it the store that has the product calls the company's HR department HR is not for the employees this is why HR keeps getting backed up between people calling in about faulty products and the employees. When it comes to benefits that's between the one being interviewed and the employer, and secondly it Corporation cannot give a contract to a man or a woman it is against corporate law you can look up UCC 1-308 there's a thing called Hierarchy laws
Hierarchy laws
Universal laws- main principal (whatever energy you put out must come back)
Natural law- deals with natural ways of all objects and being which have manifested in the third dimension.
Laws of maxim- also known as God's law" those laws come straight out of the Bible enter the highest laws of the land they are right given by God to all beings and cannot be taken away by anyone
Sovereign- human being a being that is master of self operates under God's laws has the ability to create laws and constitutions for itself and corporations that it creates.
Contract law- a set of laws would Sovereign worldwide adheed to in Commerce offers + acceptance = contract.
Treaties- laws made between two sovereigns that deal with a particular track of land
Constitution- laws created by a sovereign that govern a corporation created by a sovereign
Corporation- a dead fiction entity operates under the laws of the Constitution developed by the sovereign does not have the ability to create laws can only create code statutes and ordinances.
Federal codes- codes which govern the corporation with corporations including UCCS
Police corporations and agents- private agencies of corporations that belong to equivalent to a private citizen.
Citizen- a slave of the corporation to which it pledges does not have rights only has privileges which are given to it by the corporation to which it pledges
Not only this however never put an "of" in between a state or a city example California States is different from State of California Michigan county is different than the city of Michigan County Missouri State it's different then state of Missouri
And finally each state has their own Constitution plus there's the United States for America's Constitution
Oh and a resident by definition is someone in a particular area for business we are not residents in our homes we are occupants we occupy we don't reside
Not only that federal law has no High Ground over state law in the Constitution states have authority the federal government does not
This should be required viewing by every college student about to enter the workforce.
🤣 I agree that this should be mandatory viewing by HR graduates and business students
Yes
For anyone leaving school
..College student's time is spent %100 being indoctrinated in "woke" and Racist Critical Racist. There is no time for any other 'learning'.
@@lilblackduc7312 I know you're exaggerating but a cousin who did sub-300 level courses recently was deeply frustrated at the amount of time spent on indoctrination saying it took up more than 50% of actual classtime. It was already the theme of nearly every assignment when I was there in the early 2000's, in 03-04 in unrelated classes I did projects on racism, racism, sexism, "slow food", racism and then one about machine language translation that was great but I noticed the professor on that one was an ex-marine and I realize now he probably wasn't playing along and was impossible to fire as a veteran or something. I bet you if I check back they metoo'd him or something lol.
Choose your battles carefully. Never tell anything to the HR reps of your company.
You hit the nail right on the head. Seen this stuff actually play out way too many times. Don't ever be that "company person"... in the end, you could give your life for the company and you would not even be a distant memory the next.
Agreed!
Entrepreneurship. Start a business.
Yup happened to me
Once had a friend who went to HR for nearly everything, and thought they were her friends. I tried to tell her that HR was to protect the company, not her. She pooh-poohed me, but soon after, they "friended" her right out of that company.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I hated when HR was around and colleagues, they'd be all friendly and chipper with you and brown nose the HR rep. I'd say not a word and put in my headphones in.
I used to be that person. I know a lot more about people and life now. I hope your friend found a better job.
@@m0L3ifyI hope she didn’t recover
"You see, human resources is not your friend."
The #1 lesson worth taking away from all of this.
Agree. The most important words in this video is at 3:34
Yes you can eject the tape from the VCR after that part
“But wait there’s more”
…”sorry not enough time to get into it”
All this advice is great. Here's a little piece of truth: You don't sign those HR papers...you don't get the job. Period!
Our HR department keeps it a little too real. My coworker complained about something and the HR rep told her, "just so you know everything I do is designed for the companies best interest and I'll be acting accordingly with them in mind". I was like, well damn.
At least they're a bit honest.
لا إلاه إلا الله No God except Allah
@@hhhghhhhhhhhh good job dude but not exactly the best place to preach religion.
@@455king4help السلام عليكم
لباس عليك احمد كيف حالك صديق
اجل كلامك صح يا صاح
@@hhhghhhhhhhhh 🧠🤏🏽
HR: we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrong-doing.
Sounds like a Trump company!
Sounds like the cops.
@@darrenhayes8664the only corrupt politician is trump? Come on now. Lol
Exactly. These companies really need to move away from having an HR department. They need something that is actually helpful to employees. A department that really does address the wrongs that happen between management and staff can still prevent lawsuits.
Sounds like the DOD
In my 30 year career over 7 organizations I have never met a HR that protected employees over the company. I know of several very troubling harassment incidents at these companies and the company basically used the opportunity to help themselves build cases against the poor employees. This video is pretty much spot on.
I have, once. She didn't last, was pushed out by the company, and HR is now run entirely by terrible people like everywhere else.
@GodwynDi heh that sounds about right. I came into HR to help employees. I do exactly that and it results in stonewalling and terrible job security for me. Csuite eventually catches on to the changes I implement and when that happens my days are nunbered. Those changes? Educating the workforce on their rights, writing policies that make employers accountable and general agitation with subtle "unionize" hints to name a few. By the time I'm getting scurried out the door the damage is done. I've met 2 other HR reps in my 8yrs that had integrity but man is that rare, it sucks to be hated because so many of my peers out there are horrible people...but if it's not me it's some shite people that will run the show as you mentioned. When I left CA to be with family in IL I noticed a HUGE difference on employees not knowing their rights, and astonished at the lack of rights we have in comparison... IL DOL is severely lacking teeth.
@@Blissielwrite a book. I'll buy a copy.
I heard of HR that protected employees over the company. Turn out that employee is son of the CEO.
Open door policies was code to me “if you want a big hate target on you make a complaint”. “We only need to seem like we are fair and care”.
Open door meaning "YOU are on your way out"
One great thing about TH-cam is that it's allowed Lawyers create so much more value in the world. This information is super helpful to a lot of people, but ordinarily it would be way less likely for them to find out about that. Traditionally, this kind of helpful information would at least be behind some kind of paywall.
Everybody wins now, because the lawyer gets to educate people and advertise at the same time.
The best thing to do is to document all incidents, have witnesses and put all complaints in writing and send all complaints to HR in emails. When I sent a complaint to HR in an email, they immediately wanted to talk to me, asked me why I sent an email, CC'd multiple HR employees, my bosses and the witnesses and why I didn't just talk to them, because now that it was documented and sent in emails to multiple people, HR would have to take action against the responsible party or put themselves and the company at risk.
If they don't repsond to your legitmate and protected issues, they can face punitive damages which can be their worst nightmare.
Every HR fuckup I've ever heard of is due to inhuman levels of stupid and ignorance. It's only a short matter of time until these imbeciles commit some heinous malicious mistake. So it's not surprising that they react in such a way.
Anything in writing is able to be held up in a court of law as lawsuit material reason why it’s important and the hr departments know that.
How do you get witnesses though? They are also scared of loosing their jobs.
Tips:
Treat work as it is: A Job. Its not a social gathering of friends and it sure as hell isn't a "family".
Keep your head down and don't get noticed while doing work. They have all the power.
Tip: don't work for bad companies.
Good luck with that. Most companies where I work are bad companies. @@NormanReaddis
@@NormanReaddisvery free companies are good!
@@NormanReaddisthat's easier said than done mate. Because I've joined a company that was great then a few years later new directors took control and then it turned to be a vial and horrible place to work.
No matter how good managers or HR are even if they care. If the directors at the top tell HR to cut costs. They have no choice
Lol ! So right! Never EVER go for fighting the “ symptoms “
ALWAYS go for the source!!!!!
I was being harassed by a creep at my last job, and I very stupidly tried reporting it to HR. After her ‘investigation’, the HR lady came back and said she found no evidence of harassment, and in fact had come to the conclusion that I was in the wrong! The creep denied any wrongdoing and told her that I was being rude to him for no reason, and she decided to take his side and get rid of me instead.
Ultimately the worst part of all this - that creep just got away with harassing me and now knows he can continue to get away with it and HR won’t do a thing. I feel sorry for whoever his next victim is.
sorry to hear this. Never ever go to HR for anything.
I definitely learned my lesson! I at first didn’t say anything about the harassment as I was worried I would be accused of lying and lose my job, but after two years of it I’d finally had enough and couldn’t keep quiet any longer. I at first told my supervisor, and he actually said ‘I’m not sure if we should go through the HR lady because her and that guy (the creep) are quite close’ so even he had suspicions about her! So instead of going directly to her, we tried going to our general manager, but he then went to her, claiming ‘we have to go through HR for things like this’, and she claimed right off the bat that because the harassment started so long ago and because the creep only ever targeted me when there was no one around (so no witnesses) that they couldn’t investigate it, but they would speak to the creep anyway. The creep then claimed I’d been rude to him and HR ended up starting an investigation against me! The creep claimed he had ‘witnesses’ to my rude behaviour, and HR got statements from them which backed up his claims, but I noticed immediately on reading those statements that they contained lots of inconsistencies and things that just didn’t make sense, so I knew they weren’t true statements. I pointed these inconsistencies out to HR/management, but they still believed them! I believe the creep simply went to these ‘witnesses’ and told them of my claims against him and they agreed to back him up. I told the HR lady that was my opinion and she completely denied it as a possibility. ‘Oh, they signed those statements as accurate, and they know if they make false statements they could face disciplinary action so they would *never* do the that!’ My response was ‘well how can you *prove* whether they’re accurate or not??’ and she had no reply. She then fired *me* for ‘serious misconduct’ for ‘bullying’ the creep and ‘lying’ in my statements. This is *exactly* what I was worried would happen and why I didn’t report it sooner!
Similar story happened to me. They’re whole bunch of liars together.
@@Kajra87 let me guess he said hello you found him unattractive so labeled him a creep.
No actually, he was about 50 years older than me and had groped me several times despite me asking him to stop
This information is spot on. As someone who has worked with many companies as clients, I have learned over the years that HR managers are the biggest two-faced snakes in any company.
Yes ive been affected by that.
@patricksachs3655: Correct.
I had an employer once admit during a company meeting that the only reason he took HR classes was to " know how to put us in our place legally" and other such gems
Wow.
Good
it's the truth. and I'd say most corporate bosses get that training.
@@anastasia10017 i think as employees perhaps its time for us to save cash and do the same so we can learn how to put traps in place too
I believe it. They have to protect themselves. They see it as self defense.
I was being harrassed by a coworker once. I made the mistake of going to management. What this man says is spot on. I would never do it again unless i was prepared to leave my job immediately.
Same, I ended up in a meeting with the person, HR, and management. The person still harasses me, and it's been three years. My daughter has also gone through this. Then they wrote her up for laughing, because the supervisor is buddies with the other person.
Management and hr people team up like a syndicate and juniors have no say in any conflict.
I just done that now they forcing me to resign
@@jordant993Never resign when you are sexually harassed. Make them fire you so you can get unemployment. Keep the records of the harassment and show it to the unemployment office.
Same thing happened to me. Boss literally told me to kill myself and I'M the one who got fired.
It really does blow my mind how often I hear friends or acquaintances talking about how they've been wronged at work, and how they plan to get in touch with HR about the situation. They never seem to understand when I explain to them that, that's probably not a good idea. They don't seem to even believe me. But I was actually part of a class action lawsuit against an employer while I was still working for them. The employer was so bad that, when I gave my hours long videotaped deposition, they weren't even entirely aware of the fact that I still worked for them. It was kind of a nightmare but it was a very interesting and informative experience. Do not talk to HR. They are not your friend. Neither are your coworkers. Don't forget that last one especially.
Nice job. I’m a NY employment lawyer representing unions and individuals. You’re 100% correct about HR.
Rule of thumb: Don’t go to HR unless it is important enough that you would be willing to pay an attorney to defend your rights. HR is not a counselor and is not your mom or dad. They aren’t there for whining about small things - they are a business protecting the bottom line. HR can easily find ways to write you up and get you fired if you are more trouble than they think you as an employee may be worth.
First place to go would be a good labor attorney and let their office document the issues. At some point, the attorney will have enough data that HR can't backtrack
This is true, I've seen multiple coworkers fired after going to HR with their problems. Just keep your head down and if you don't like your workplace apply elsewhere. It's not worth being unemployed.
@@jberndt88 It's Called COMMUNISM and Every Company practices that in the USA.
@@reaktorleak89 They Are DEMONS Punishing You for Wanting to Leave their Dominion.
@@jberndt88what type of company?
I once heard this quote about HR: “HR is here to onboard new employees. Once a new employee is hired, they no longer give a damn about them.” [Their loyalty lies with the company printing their paycheck.]
Who is HR???
They are those Individuals who used Human as a Resource to give Profit to the Company.
This Include Persuading you to Spy on your Colleagues outside the Company.
Because this actually happens at me, where one of my HR actually Tricked me and one of my Co-worker to Spy one of our Colleague from other Department to find out whether he really got a Huge accident and Admitted at that City Hospital or Not.
@@JokerJoker-xc7xbthis!!
Facts I have experience this as well
Thx for this! When you’re continuously set up to fail, and you are a hard-working citizen for the US, it’s really demoralizing for life.
I was an investigator in the military. HR is one of the WORST people you would trust to conduct any investigation.
Agreed, however social services are worse than HR.
@Random error Ask any level of police.
I totally agree. I was an accident investigator for an airline. HR would sometimes try to get involved and it was a pleasure to give them a real kicking for doing so. What these mean arseholes could not stand was that their attempted or actual involvement would always be documented. HR were cited as a problem and not part of the solution. They didn’t like that at all.
Funnybthat you say that, this is literally how the military does HR.
Some of the best ways to combat this kind of stuff are to live below your means, save lots of money if you can so you have a rainy day fund, and never get too comfortable in any job where you think you're not expendable. There's always a beginning and an ending to every position and understanding that you're just there to do your job and provide for your family is a good way to think about work. Never take it personally, just focus on yourself and your job performance and walk softly around the troublemakers and keep a low profile.
I wish I knew about this when I was still in college. Unfortunately, I experienced almost everything that you've discussed. It totally changed me from being a friendly happy person to a distrustful one not wanting to socialize with coworkers. I realized that coworkers are not your friends or allies. They too will backstab or lie to save their jobs or to get promoted. The union helped save my job but my career died. Continuing to work there is like counting the days till you complete your sentence.
I am so glad I am retired,I worked about 50 years it's been hard to play the game and put up with what there is in the workplace
Wow....sounds like me
@@lindahollander3588 it's more difficult now with the diversity equity and inclusion workplace requirements. All it takes is to have one very sensitive person to get you disciplined.
@@bones5785 yep. I used to work in a kitchen with a college boy from the south. He refused to clean underneath the cool boxes. He would literally leave old food underneath the counters which attracts rats and roaches in downtown San Diego. He complained about "hostile work environment" because I would yell at him for refusing to clean food off the floor. He would try to sneak around it by offering to do the cleaning while I did the dishes, but I always knew he volunteered to "clean" because he was a lazy POS who would just sweep food under the counters.
So anyway that's why the American Comedy Company doesn't serve hot food anymore.
@@bones5785 Tell me about it. The younger work force get a little title and push the power and you stand your ground --- BOOM! You're being disrespectful. So I've increased my sensitivity level to get them first. It's stupid but I only have 2 more yrs before I can retire with medical. I would retire now if I could get medical benefits. I have cancer but I don't believe I'm terminal enough to get Federal Disability. Doctor mentioned disability through work but I'm essentially minimum wage and 50% of that, I can't live off. I'm thinking of cutting off my treatment. I'd rather just die than have to keep working and die on their clock never to have a fucking retirement.
I've always found it interesting that most employees think HR is there for them. They aren't! They're there to protect the company. In almost every case I've ever witnessed in which an employee complains to HR about something or someone, it ends up not turning out well for the person complaining.
There are certain times when an employee should complain, but not at the frequency in which people go to HR nowadays. I make a clear line in my video How to Complain Properly to HR.
You're so right ...... at least now. Years ago it was different, but you are one hundred percent correct in your statement these days.
Absolutely. I work in HR (and I love my job) and I was doing an interview the other day for a position in my own team. The (quite junior) candidate was going on and on about how they want to “help people” by joining HR. I stopped them to explain they were going to be working for a company, and it would sometimes mean unpopular decisions…
To me, it's a simple matter of "Who's buried in Grant's tomb". The department is called "human resources". They hire just enough human beings to get the job done, pay them just enough to keep them from quitting, a lay some of them off occasionally to scare the rest of them into working longer hours. You are a living, breathing human being, working hard to support your family, and you are literally just a disposable RESOURCE to them.
Thanks for everything you do.
I'm on long term sick leave regarding a workplace injury, and keep being called by HR pretending to be concerned for my welfare, but really they are reporting back to management trying to undermine my case. Everyone thinks I am paranoid, including my medical team, but having viewed this video. I feel vindicated.
Trust your gut. I've seen people who were great employees without a single blemish to their record get fired after getting a cancer diagnosis. The company suddenly came up with a reason they weren't doing a good enough job. But it was really so they didn't have to accommodate their chemo and radiation treatments. The employer was a hospital of all places.
I can relate to this. I'm working for a company that when I announced my cancer diagnosis almost three years ago and had surgery, they offered only half of wages for FMLA. At the time I'd been with the company 8 years. I was out 7 weeks to heal from my surgery and ended up taking out a loan just to make up the difference of what they wouldn't pay me. This is legalized wage theft to the N degree. Brandon is right, companies as a rule truly dont support employees, unless you bend over backwards to kiss their ass and even this is NO GUARANTEE you will keep or have a job.
Trust no one. I would say i will call yall when my doctor says I'm ready to go back to work. I can be harass
Trust your gut. I was on worker’s compensation and the company told me don’t worry about my job and just get better. During my physical therapy sessions, I found out more times than not, people loose their jobs. Sure enough, when I called to let them know I was released to work, I was told I no longer had a job.
@@moosefoot11221
FMLA only keeps your employer from firing you while you're on medical leave for yourself or your family, it doesn't guarantee any wages while on leave.
I used to work at Home Depot and a co-worker who was a real POS and often bullied everyone else was also dealing drugs on the job. I reported him to HR and the first thing HR did was go to him and told him that it was me who reported him. He threatened my life and harassed me to the point I requested to be put on a different shift opposite from him. In return Home Depot fired me
This is the real problem with HR. They always go back to that person and give them a head's up so whatever you're experiencing gets WORSE. Usually the person just becomes more covert about what they're doing to you, in my experience. HR is horrible.
What the hell?
Wow this is Hilarious the same situation happened to me at Home Depot also. Been with the company for 6 years and there was a associate who got promoted to DH and the first thing he did within 2 weeks of his new title, he writes me up for some bs about stacking Drywall incorrectly. Mind you, i havent been written up in 3 years prior to this and all of a sudden this kid writes me up. I already knew once he got promoted he was gonna go after me because he would always try to act like a ASM and tell associates what to do, etc. and i told him he’s not the boss and dont tell me what to do. Its funny because almost half the store banded up and actually signed a petition to demote him from DH because of his abuse of power. But guess what? I go into the managers office and specifically told the manager this kid was always troublesome and my mistake was just that. Going to the manager and i will never forget after the conversation the manager says to me “dont worry, you wont get fired unless you do something absolutely stupid” come to find out after i made numerous complaints to HR about him, the manager opens the case and goes to HR from the headquarters side and they call me and say i am terminated but never gave me a specific reason why i was. Looking back, i dont really care because Home Depot lost a very good and hard worker. I got along fine with everybody and even had a couple ASM’s call and text me directly saying how sorry they were about what happened to me and that it was all corruption from the start. Hopefully that store Manager gets fired.
@@ggymnast3 Yep. Can confirm that HR does this. I went to HR about my boss and they went right back to my boss. So my boss just became more covert about the abuse after that so it was hard to prove. HR is full of shit.
I also work home Depot. The woke politics is shite! The female leads constantly harass my department (all males) and they done nothing about it. If anything they rationalize their bad behavior
I can vouch on the arbitration thing even here in Iowa. It's recently reinforced worker's rights and my company tried to get everyone to sign an arbitration agreement.
My uncle and I got pretty good at Legaleze and so I read through the whole thing and looked them dead in the eyes right as my coworkers were about to sign (cause they were dumb and tried to do this all in a big group) and said, "I refuse. I won't sign this even if it costs me my job." My coworkers asked why and I explained they couldn't sue the company if they got injured doing something they were effectively ultimatumed into doing. They'd have to take it to the company's judge. HR tried to say I was wrong and it was a neutral private judge and I said, "Private judge? Who pays him?" And they tried to deflect by saying it could be a woman so I said, "Them, than. Who pays them?"
The argument went on for a bit longer before everyone in my crew at my department (maintenance) refused and so I looked at them. "What's it gonna be? Hire 8 new mechanics in the next 3 days or go forward with the risk?" Whelp. I had my job for another 3 years after that. Now the company is going belly up because of poor management.
Well played
The way to break them of arbitration is to Uber-tration them and have everyone file at once. Sign the papers and then file for being coerced to sign the papers. Collect notes on anything that even implies you're being pressured to sign. Most states have the concept of constructive terminatition. That's when your employer does something that effectively constitutes firing you like changing shifts to force a single Mom work during the time she should be picking up her kids. Make them hire enough arbitration judges for the entire company since most arbitration agreements include language around the time permitted to conduct the arbitration. That cost alone can bankrupt some companies.
The first thing that people often get wrong is that HR is not there to help you. It's to help the company.
I remember there was a decent HR person in my company once...she got fired because she was trying to deal with an abusive director.
HAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAGAGAGHAHA!!!! WHEN YOU REALIZED THAT YOUR BOSS IS A FUCKING BABY 5 YEARS OLD OF THE CRADDLE!!!!!! 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤗🤗🤭
I hope wish she woud be fine,in a better worthy place for her to be known as second home
Remember we work for good life,family,passion & compromise for big ol' ego people's little appreciation wont matter to happiness
All will be well 😃🌟✨🙌
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decent HR persons are rare to come by. Most are cheats and sabotage staff when they complain.
Those HR people are hard and rare to find 99.9%
I’ve met a good HR lady, I even caught my manager rolling his eyes at her during our meeting, she was doing her job in good faith,
The next meeting they had replaced her with some nasty HR guy, can tell his very narcissistic!
At the end, I didn’t leave without a fight and I don’t regret it.
I was bullied by my line manager on several occasions and went to HR with evidence and witness testimonies. I had glowing appraisals prior to this. The bullying was downplayed by HR and I was isolated and set up for failure. God saved me and quickly got me out of that toxic environment. HR works for the employer, not employees. It is so obvious now. They often have no integrity or value for people.
Be smart people! I pray for peace in your life ❤
I’ve Been there I was in that situation for 9 and a half years. Right before I got out of that company, I threatened to personally sue each manager in that company. I told the HR rep during the meeting I wasn’t coming after the company, just the on site management. They ran out of there so quickly because I wrote my whole day down everyday. Take time to heal from that it’s important took me 2 years because I was harassed so badly. In the end God provided me a way out, he hears what’s going on trust him!
“g0d” didn’t do anything, you quite on you’re own I’m assuming.
@@KaozVirtus I respectfully disagree with you man (or woman). Jesus very much got me the through that.
@@Absentiment4l answer me this, does theology pay you’re bills? Didn’t think so.
@@KaozVirtus God has actually really blessed me financially because I’ve been faithfully tithing. If you’re looking for a Bible thumper you’ve got the wrong guy
I just recently got let go and EVERYTHING you mentioned in this video makes SO much sense. I was on a PIP “personal improvement plan” and so many lies against me led to this situation I’m in. I NEVER had to deal with HR ever in my career until my last manager (who I already didn’t like) had it out for me and HR never saw where I came from just stuck up for the manager and the company. I appreciate this video. Thank you !
Looks like you worked for those Big Tech Consulting Hyena companies. Does your company start with the letter A?
@@TON-vz3pe haha oh no I’m not that big of a deal. EV company, 2 of em so far under my belt but the last one was critical
@@JordanA2345 Sorry for what happened to you. What is ev though?
Yea I can’t even get Unemployment because of my last job. I was on a PIP as well. Highkey I wanna get the HR bitch beat up but I can’t. I was working with an Auto car company. Last job I’m ever gonna have in my life. They’re just not for me.
Yep, had this one too.
Great video. And yes, I've learned the hard way that HR is, "not your friend." A few tips to add: it's just a job. Don't let it become your reason for living. NEVER let them destroy your sense of humor. HR hates cheerful, life-loving employees. Rise above the BS -- and I don't mean brown sugar. In high school and college, I was in the theatre clubs and then did off Broadway for a year, post college. In one meeting with an HR director, I pretended to go into convulsions and fell off the chair and spewed spit and waggled my tongue. He called paramedics. It was awesome. They wheeled me out on a gurney. In the ER, a doc gave me Valium. Sweet. From then on, I played the illness card: "If I could just get a heart transplant." Then my brother called the HR director and pretended to be my attorney and yelled: "WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO TO MY CLIENT!" We laugh so hard about it, years later. It's just life, kids. Don't take it too seriously.
😂😂😂. Thank you for the laughs. Are you a writer or have you written a book? How was your career down the road? I wish I knew way back when the tactics for dealing with HR and the workplace overall. No use dwelling on the past, but I can share and encourage those trying to navigate the workplace and remind them to be *STRATEGIC* as employees: document everything, keep applying for positions (even after you land a job), and give yourself raises by moving to bigger and better at another company.
I got fired back in 2019 and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I enrolled in medical school and about to finish up my third year. 🙂
Congrats! That's awesome. I am looking at this especially as many docs are choosing to become employees. Good luck with school and residency applications!
I got fired too.! Blessing in disguise. I have a better job then that one now. God gave me emotional strength to carry on and do better!
You may still have to deal with HR though for real
Congrats 👏 👏 👏 👏 I hope you have great success 😊
Nice job, future doctor!
just found this channel. He is of course 100% correct. HR is never your friend, many younger employees believe mistakenly that HR is like the high school counselor. Don’t go to them for anything, other than information on employee benefits. And even when you do that, they might just hand you the employee benefits booklet.
Yep, they’re well-brainwashed by the public schools to scurry to authority, incriminating themselves in the process.
My complaint I brought to HR actually went pretty well. I started out (and factually true) with "I already sought legal counsel and was instructed to come here before we continue"
i have complied to Hr but they sided the mangers.
Nice!!!
Even if it was a bluff... Well played!
@@waqasleo315big surprise
@@waqasleo315 That's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a strong chance you were just in the wrong. I've seen a lot of workers who don't understand the simple dynamic of "do the work, get paid", and expect something more from employment.
@@SyndicateOperativethis isn't the 1980s or 1990s corporate world. Most do their job. The issue is managers create environments of hostility which doesn't make employees work better all the time
Back in January of this year I got fired from my job. I was (and still am) absolutely devastated and shocked by the termination because there were no verbal warnings, or write ups of any kind regarding my work performance. I'm fairly certain that the HR tyrant used the Open Door Policy and lied to me to find an excuse to get rid of me. However, I'm also positive that I did sign an arbitration agreement, but I was so excited to get the job I just signed it. Needless to say I'm certain that I didn't fail the company; the company failed me.
I've personally experienced everything he is expressing. Never go to HR. Save your company emails, try to only communicate with management in writing and retain a attorney.
They do investigate. They got rid of a harasser at my last job.
@@stratelite1337they know Calculus???
@@stratelite1337 It's more accurate to say the investigation is to find out what evidence the employee has, whether it's incriminating, and whether the employee has made said evidence available to themselves and their attorney outside the employer's control. Hence, every company having strict infosec, recording, and nondisclosure clauses nowadays; they want to be able to fire you if you, for example, email incriminating evidence to yourself or record HR conversations (in a one-party consent state) which you can access outside company resources.
The one and only time I got significant headway in an HR investigation against a hostile supervisor, was when they fudged their DARVO shtick. I clapped back with a zip document containing dozens of screenshots; Slack chatlogs; Quip backups and changelogs; recorded meeting notes and minutes with dates, times and names; and archived emails that I'd sent from my personal email, with my attorney CC'ed and a "no uncertain terms" reminder that retaliation is illegal by state and federal law. They got the message, my case was escalated to corporate, and it was actually handled fairly from that point forward.
So naturally, not a month later our infosec policy magically, mysteriously, changed so that chatlogs are wiped regularly, and the Windows snipping tool was disabled on all company computers.
Also a good idea to record meetings or other conversations where HR is participating.
HR is for the company and employees are for themselves. Deal with it for 30 yrs.
I’ve had to learn the hard way on some of these. It really opened my eyes to how important the social factor at work is. At the end of the day you can be good at your job, but if you don’t fit in they will document nonsense and get rid of you. Meanwhile other people who fit in can do whatever they want and there’s no repercussions. Thank you for being open and honest about how things actually work in corporate america.
Like the movie of The Wolf of Wall Street, fired because you're correct and are not as ambitious as the rest of ridiculous people
Amen. It’s sad truly, but hey one day we won’t need HR anymore. For heaven don’t have any liars or deceivers( plus more) there. Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Tell the Lord, Jesus Christ that you are sorry for your wrong doings and you need His help. Ask Him to come into your heart and be your Lord and Savior and He will. Start reading the Bible talking, listening, and obeying His Word as best you can. He will help you from the moment you receive Him as your Lord and Savior.
Yep, see this at my job every day. They're also big on DEI stuff, black and especially black women get away with murder. I had to point out some pretty significant mistakes they've made and dereliction of duties and been told "they don't have the same work ethic as you, it's unfair to expect that of them. Why are you trying to make them look bad?" No, I was just showing you that they're blatantly ignoring company policies. But I'm the bad guy.
@@shawnd9759
Oh give me a break. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. If prayer and religion were the answer then humanity would never have denigrated to this point in the first place. Your Jesus didn't lift a finger to save his people during WW2 so what makes you think he's going to help anyone now?
@@Lonsoleil😂, delusional people can dream!
I was HR and all of these are 100% true. The “open door policy when I found out about its true meaning made me realize how messed up companies are.
Open door policy, what a joke! I remember when that saying came out. Yeah open door to hell is what it is.
Companies are fictional.
When you walk through the open door, the company had identified you as the problem.
@@NelsonMills-r3m companies are fictional. A slave, group of them, knew you were continuing human slavery too?
Does this only apply to US companies?
Also, my cousins wife worked in HR & I wouldn't trust her any further than I could toss a crumbled piece of paper
I’m someone who doesn’t understand social nuance. I often times don’t understand all this corporate nonsense, my parents never had to navigate it. This was super helpful and insightful to understand how things actually work. Thank You!
I played a mean, dirty trick on an HR Mgr once who fired a real good person in our dept (well over 30 yrs ago) who herself had gone to HR over a supervisor sexually harassing her. She didn't deserve that treatment so I decided I was going to get even with the head of HR on her behalf and it was a harmless prank. He would brag during hunting season about the doe's and buck's he killed every year and that got old so I wanted to hit him in the pocketbook as well as in his hunter's heart...
I took a day off knowing the mgr's wife was out of town that day and snuck over to his house early in the morning just after he left for work. Quickly I swiped the electric meter off the side of his house and promptly dropped it into a dumpster behind a gas station. He was fit to be tied the next day because his fridge and 'three' deep freezes (all deer meat filled) stopped working and he lost all his fresh food plus he had to deal with the electric company repair crew to get it reconnected the following day before his wife got back.
What did your parents do
@@Emc4421 I mean for a living
@@cryora doctors
@@Emc4421 I guess that depends. If they own their clinic they probably don't need to do any navigating. If they work at a hospital, they probably have protection from getting fired because they are doctors. They may worry about malpractice though.
This is 100% true in every way shape and form. I've been working for the same company for 21 years. We've always wondered why we can't keep GOOD HR people around. They always quit. Word gets out its a toxic environment and if a nice HR person actually cares about helping the employee they are forced out. If they are miserable with no people skills they stick around for years.
yup its like cops
HR has to do what management wants and any decent HR rep can’t and won’t back toxic managers. Those HR people leave!
لا إلاه إلا الله
@@jaydenp4975 لا إلاه إلا الله
@@armedjoy3045 لا إلاه إلا الله
I resigned from my job after HR “investigated” me for a ridiculous claim of bullying made by the trainer of an online seminar I participated in. Apparently my tone made him feel “unsafe.” I thought it must be a joke, but no, they were deadly serious. HR never told me who they interviewed or which questions they asked, but they found me guilty of “misconduct” and ordered me to attend two more training sessions on “effective communication” with the very same trainer who made the complaint against me 🤔
Was this, by chance, a consultant? Sounds like a great source of return business if so.
Can't make this stuff up.
wait a minute, a trainer in an online seminar, and you made him feel "unsafe", like you weren't actually in the room with them, and I'm assuming you had the good sense to not use any outwardly hostile language, that can be a problem in 2022 as a lot of people have lost their better judgement in the name of "freedom of speech" without understanding what that means. Anyway if you do mind your ps and qs and this happened he was definitely just out for a repeat customer.
So, the trainer won, and you lost!😂
What evidence did he provide?
Worked for Walmart for almost 20yrs! The stories I could tell about that place! Ended up with a back injury and that’s when things got really interesting! Ended up with a really good settlement so it all worked out in the end. Sad that not many people can say that!
If you’re legitimately wronged at work, laws were broken, your rights were violated etc, get a lawyer and blindside them. Don’t go to HR. Don’t give them early warning. They are not your friend. They are the Stasi. They are deceitful and malicious.
Yes!
After 20+ years of experience in corporate America, I concur that this information is 1000% accurate! (Yes, 1000%, not 100%) It's sad but true. HR is just a political tool for the company to use against employees.
Corporate america made me hate myself. Soul sucking dealing with psychopathes and liars all day.
I totally disagree. I had an average of 350 employees for over 25 years. And a majority of any issues we had, we were backing up the employee.
@@jerseegrl2 That's good to hear. I wish my experience was the same.
Why does everyone act as if this is a surprise? I own a company and we maintain an HR Department to manage the employment process, maintain required documentation, process legally required issues such as FMLA and whatnot. WE DON'T CALL IT THE MOMMY AND DADDY DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT ISN'T. Never pretended it was.
@@pcp-xo1wj It's definitely not a surprise and that's the sad reality of this subject. It's a shift from the culture of HR over the last few decades. Formerly, they were an unbiased business unit - an advocate for the employees and for management. Today, many HR departments have lost the component for care for the employees and only work on behalf of the organization. Instead, they have shifted to an unethical and political tool for the management. I own a business as well as a Business Consultant and this is one of the pitfalls that I help companies avoid. Hope this helps!
It's amazing that there are still people in the workforce that are so blissfully ignorant that they believe HR is there for the employees benefit.
> It's amazing that there are still people in the workforce that are so blissfully ignorant that they believe HR is there for the employees benefit.
I'm amazed so many people believe 'governments' are there to help them.
It’s really not the fault of people in the workforce that they are “blissfully unaware” of whose interests HR really represents when these companies are allowed to effectively lie to their employees about HR’s true role. The only way most learn about this is by becoming a victim of the system by trying to resolve issues through HR.
Students should be taught about this in high school, before they ever enter the workforce, so they can protect their interests. But instead these schools teach “wokeness” and other such divisive propaganda. We live in a corporate state, not a democracy.
But, that's the rub right there. HR presents itself as "helpful" to the employee. Noone knows the awful truth until it is too late.
dont be condescending please. its not necessary
You mean the same people who trust politicians who all literally lie 24/7? It's the same people. NPCs.
My HR is a nightmare in a different way. They want a family dynamic in the company. Thanks to this, they keep forgiving toxic coworkers and pretty much forces us to adapt to them. Why?
What the guy said in video
Excellent video. I worked in retail for twenty years before moving on to greener pastures. I knew never to trust HR because I saw how badly it turned out for any of my fellow employees who did. Even on the managerial level, when managers complained up the chain, they'd find themself punished or fired. I remember a coworker who needed to have surgeury on his ankle, and the company would not give him time off to do it...for five years! He also tried to get transferred to a store closer to home to help him deal with familial responsibilities. The district manager threatened to send him to a store sixty miles away, which would have been on top of the thirty miles he already traveled to and from work every day. When he was finally able to transfer to a store closer to home, after two decades of working for this company, they deliberately overloaded him with work to try and get him to quit. He didn't quit, but they busted him down from store manager to cashwrap manager, and finally to department manager, ever farther down the totem pole. He quit working for the company, tiring of the BS about a decade ago. But I thought to myself, "If they would do something like this to such a stellar employee, who did everything in his power to turn the store around and make it function, how many other employees have they screwed?"
If they didn't screw over every single employee, they probably got written up for performance...
True!!
@@versatilex97 sears and electronics retailers do similar.
That was most likely illegal because he probably qualified for FMLA. Strange how they expend so much time and energy on hurting good people.
@@Smith-he6bg It most definitely was.
This is spot on! I’ve always told people who say they are going to HR that they should know that HR is not there to hear your complaints, and that they are not on your side.
Not always true. Depends where you work. The whole reason I joined HR was to make an impact on the company culture. I like to plan activities, catering, events for employees to show appreciation. I take employee complaints very seriously and try my best to come up with the best solution immediately. Unfortunately there are some that are legit and some that aren’t. There are situations where the manager is disciplined and situations where the employee is disciplined. If I told you about some of the crazy nonlegit complaints I have received you would be shocked or burst out laughing of how insane they were.
wellbeing a Project Execution Admin, I only go to HR, for Problem Occurring on our Vendor/Contractor's Compliances at the Customer Site, because this will delay or Completely Halt the Payments from the Customer site. Here in this case, you will find the Proactiveness in HR Dept or even found HR doing Motherly treatments towards you because that will be the Company as a Whole Concern Not an Individual's Problem
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Other than that, I don't even peep to the HR dept.
@@InGodITrust333 My Experience.
I first went to the HR, to solve my Critical problem which was actually related to Company Work.
Instead of Giving me Solution, he itself asked me YES WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?????
looool
Yeah. HR at the Amazon where I worked was more than horrible; they were aggressively vicious. Just part of Amazon's unspoken "revolving door" employee management syndrome: Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing.
*Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing.*, Whew ! Chiiiiiiile . I thought i done seen it all. Yikes !
I hear you. P&G’s HR is no different. Absolute gestapo.
Hell has a place solely for the people of HR.
I got fired after they installed a new policy they never disclosed to me about quality and production, didn't have money to pursue them nor could find my original agreements and policies when i first joined years ago
Same here my friend! When I was still with Amazon a couple of years back I got into a big fight with one of the HR reps because he came at me with that macho wannabe attitude. Amazon HR reps are the absolute worst!!
"Hire them for anything; Fire them for nothing."
To be fair, that's not just Amazon. It's definitely all tech companies in the Valley and, from my experience, most companies in the USA.
You always have to remember that the HR Director is laying awake at night trying to figure out a way to reduce headcount.
One of the best tools you have to defend yourself as an employee is to keep detailed records of events. Keep date, time, persons in conversation, what was said, etc in your records. Do not tell *anyone* you keep the records! Also, be sure to know the employment laws of your state and how to contact the DOL in your state. Remember, companies are only interested in their welfare, not yours. I have won a case against one of my former employers but the process is draining.
Absolutely. Thank you for writing such a relevant comment. I speak from both observation and experience as I write this.
This information is likely going to save certain people lives, sanity, mental health and career trajectory. I've seen it work in very ugly work situations.
Be your own insurance policy.
Do the essential write up, even though it may feel somewhat redundant or tedious. Look over your day and just write entry or bullet point format of what was covered by HR, management or how situations were handled. This is going to be the facts you will rely on (with dates, possible times and names, as mentioned above).
لا إلاه إلا الله No God except Allah
My wife made a complaint about her employer to the California DOL when we lived there. The DOL arbitrator basically did all the things talked about in this video.
Her employer had routinely had complaints filed, and he was practically on a first name basis with the arbitrator.
I am at this stage right now… 3yrs of recording later. My company’s going down.
This!! Yes, great advice. You are your first level of defense- stay on the Ps & Qs!
HR departments are THE WORST thing for employees. This video is spot on!
😂I love HR they protected me against a witch who tried to make things up she’s lucky we didn’t fire her
@@abolisher no they protected the company from her you were just an accidental beneficiary
@@luckerooni1153 I just found out today she got fired.
Companies must hate for saying the truth. Happy you have a heart for people that really need you. Very helpful even if I don’t live in California.
Precision hired an attorney to be their head of HR. This woman is a real piece of work, and she has done everything from this video.
Feminist Garbage.
sounds like its time for EXTREME MEASURES TO MAKE THE COMPANY GO BANKRUPT AND EVEN CLOSE ITS DOORS!. anything you do to cost the company money is a small step. simply throwing a blank sheet of paper into the shredder, wasting hot water, flushing 2 or 3 times, pens and other supplies into trash etc...
SMITH AND WESSON MAKE THE WEAKEST PERSON AS STRONG AS THE STRONGEST MAN!!!
I agree fully. So perhaps attorneys (such as Mr. Robertson) should not be hired as HR Professionals. The large majority of HR professionals have never been lawyers. But you do not need to be a lawyer to understand state or federal employment law and you certainly do not need to be one to treat employees with empathy and respect. That's what good HR teams do.
@@billymac6233 The lawyers are the criminals the Crown that are trying to control the Living People by deceiving the Silly People into thinking that the Defacto Laws are the Law for the People!!! The systems Defacto Color of Laws are Not Law and are Unconstitutional!!! L.A.W. = Land Air and Water is the only Law not some Fake statues acts titles or codes etc. People wake up and know that you are Not some dead corporate entity citizens used as a Living sacrifice for the Defacto Babylon system 🙄 Self Hate is too not recognize the Self as Master because you are the only one that can save the Self!!!
#KyrieIsRight
#YeIsRight
If you want to complain about something serious, 1) be ready to leave that job, 2) bring your attorney to the meeting. They will be much more cautious with you and probably have their attorney attend the meeting.
Your lawyer will cover this, but everything from you has to be in writing. It is important to have an accurate record of exactly what your complaint is. If you check , it is also helpful to use exact phrasing lifted from your state's employment law. For example:
"California law requires that employers pay overtime, whether authorized or not, at the rate of one and one-half times the employee's regular rate of pay for all hours worked in excess of eight up to and including 12 hours in any workday, and for the first eight hours of work on the seventh consecutive day of work."
Don't put quotation marks around it, just drop it into your complaint. They will recognize where it comes from and will understand that you are setting them up for a lawsuit if they do not follow the law. Also find a way to work in some language about retaliation:
"Retaliation occurs when an employer (through a manager, supervisor, administrator or directly) fires an employee or takes any other type of adverse action against an employee for engaging in protected activity."
Again, they will be expecting a lawsuit for Employer Retaliation if they fire you. Depending on the company, they may hold a grudge and slowly try to get you out of the company. But it will take a few years to avoid the appearance of unlawful retaliation. If it takes long enough, they may just forget about it, if your work is satisfactory otherwise in the mean time.
Either bring an attorney or have a letter from an attorney stating that they are looking into the details of your claim and generally companies will completely back off from you because they then know that you know how all the games are played and that you have legal counsel. Never make open threats, just do it and then watch management bend over backward to try to avoid a lawsuit with you.
Yes, have an exit plan in place as well as legal representation. Keep cool, otherwise this will escalate into an unwanted altercation. In this violent society we have now be very careful.
Yup, have an exit plan. Otherwise never go to HR
I can’t stress #1 enough. Take that one extremely serious, people
Being forced to study some HR courses in school, I realized early how the whole HR profession seems to be centred around politics.
This is why it is so very important whenever approaching HR at the beginning of any dispute to outline that any and all communication regarding "this" is to be via email, also if it is done on a work device - phone / computer (which will more than likely be the companies IT department as the devices "administrator" I would highly recommend forwarding all communication to your personal email address.
I have worked for my company for ten years. Never had a customer complaint. One day customer comes in and i asked her politely to step back because we were still being careful as regards to covid. Next thing i knew i was up for an investigation. This customer was on her own when i served her. She emailed head office and told them quite a tale of me being rude. She also got a friend who was in the shop but in another area to complain to a manager about me upsetting her friend. My work colleagues were investigated and no one through me under the bus because the customer had lied. The next stage was disciplinary. There was no evidence. I asked the company to check camera footage there was no evidence. I was given a wriien warning that lasts a year.
Also listening about company handbook. I did not sign a company handbook ever. It sucks that shop workers have no protection with false allegations. You have bee very insightful thank you
ON POINT! In the casino employment world in vegas, HR, directors, managers, they're all in the same click from my experience. My fix was that I went above hr to CORPORATE (off site) to file misconduct and EEOC and that's how I got my manager fired. Such a sweet victory when he got escorted to his car by security. No more micromanagement and false write ups.
Bravo!
I'm confused I thought HR was part of corporate ????
@@hasanahmed9003 Good question! HR on site has conflict of interest with Managers on site, ask me how I know. After learning this the hard way I then went to Director of HR (off site) and filed with EEOC and let them know I wasn't playin.
I'm happy to say my company got rid of someone who made sexual comments.
Years ago, I was sucked into a harassment suit with an abrasive coworker whom the managers had been trying to fire but they had no real grounds. A supervisor went to HR and claimed this person harassed me. I get informed that I had to go to HR and support this story even though I had not filed any complaint. I go in and state he had never harassed me, he was just sarcastic. Months later when the case came up, the HR person had made up all sorts of claims. I shot down all those lies while asking why didn't she provide the taped inquiry? I was furious about being used as a pawn by my superiors.
wellbeing a Project Execution Admin, I only go to HR, for Problem Occurring on our Vendor/Contractor's Compliances at our Customer Site, because this will delay or Completely Halt the Payments from the Customer site. Here in this case, you will found the Proactiveness in HR Dept, Because that will be the Company as a Whole Concern Not an Individual's Problem
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Other than that, I don't even peep or discuss anything to the HR dept.
Please make more videos on the tricks like that, particularly how to protect yourself while successfully raising a complaint in a correct way.
I've worked in IT for about 25 years, for several different companies, and its crazy to me how most companies are set up for absolute failure. At the top is a CEO/dictator with absolute power. Below him are VP's who you rarely talk to the little people, have a lot of power, but don't even know what's going on because they make lower managers like Directors and Managers do all the work. Their job is to just once in awhile give a long, rambling speech about teamwork or some other common sense topic. Everyone has to kiss up to the CEO and VP's and are too afraid to speak up when management is poor , so all the good workers just look for another job, then give 2 weeks notice and leave quietly. All the bad workers are careful to praise the managers while they treat their colleagues like garbage, so they remain there forever. Basically like the speaker said, HR's job is just to protect the company, CEO, and executives, including all their bad decisions. HR rarely puts anything in writing because they know most of the things they say are unethical and even illegal. The happiest day in my life will be when I finally retire and no longer have to play this wicked corporate game.
This comment was so sad to read... but honestly, you are right. It's more important to focus on your life outside the company, because work and the corporate world as it's been set up today is just... ridiculous.
Hope you're doing well on your side of the pond, wherever in the world you happen to be.
Don't postpone doing what you want to retirement. Be you, now!
I've got 15 more years to put in and I'm out. I can technically just drop out earlier, I learned to save money. I'm just done. I go to work to work. Not to make buddies that can't wait to slide the knife in. Nah. I'm ready to become a friggin hermit......
I don’t care for the people I have to work for but I’m staying under the radar and don’t praise anyone. Why? Because the pay is good and no one bothers me. It’s about bringing in as much money as possible with the least amount of stress. You being a “good” or “bad” employee doesn’t always dictate.
And the choir said Amen!!!!
Scenario 2 happened to me: (being harassed by an employee who has been harassing other women) I went to my leader to complain about him being touchy and creepy. I provided dates, times, and locations that they pulled up on camera. I didn't want to write a report about it, but I was forced into documenting the experiences. I was told it would be in "confidence". Lies!!! The very next day, the guy I complained about began to give me a dea+h stare everyday for about a week. He then continued to try and talk to me, after I clearly said I didn't want him speaking to me (we didn't work in the same department, but he always found a way) when speaking to my leader about him, she knew exactly who I was talking about before I said his name, because other women complained about him. You can guess what happens next, I was shortly fired, no writeups or anything. The HR rep was disgustingly rude when i requested my pto payout.... I could go on forever, just thank you for this video. I didn't know what I did wrong for so long, and it genuinely hurt. I wish I knew this sooner.
لا إلاه إلا الله No God except Allah
@@hhhghhhhhhhhh No god at all.
@@JivanPal السلام عليكم
اتمنى أن تجدك كلماتي بخير
How can you say like this that you have problems with God Almighty
@@hhhghhhhhhhhh I can't have problems with something that doesn't exist.
It's disgusting that companies deceive their employees into thinking HR exists to protect employees, instead of being honest about their function as company lapdogs that protect the companies interests above all else.
It's not right either way though, the fact that they have to deceive us is evident of that.
When my company was targeting older higher-paid workers for layoffs, HR would only meet in-person or on the phone. So, we started documenting the key points discussed in the conversations, and sending a traceable email back to HR, giving them a chance to dispute the synopsis of the discussion. This email was also sent to selected co-workers and done immediately after the conversation with HR. And it worked. They stopped the layoffs.
I remember the days long ago when I worked for a company that really believed the job of HR was to look out for employees. The company knew the value of its employees and that the best way to keep this resource - and keep them happy and motivated - was by treating employees honestly and fairly. HR was an advocate for employees with management - that was their job.
Perhaps those days are long gone and many companies today do not realize the value of their employees.
This is one of the many reasons why I’ve worked for myself and own my own business. Corporations have no loyalty to you and most have absolutely no interest in helping you realize your true potential. You are a cog in the wheel and disposable. There are no tax advantages to bring an employee. There are tons of tax advantages to being your own boss. “But I get benefits from my company…” You can find better more cost effective benefits being self-employed. The stories I hear from friends who work in corporate America are nuts. If you can control your own destiny and own your future, do it.
@@keithmarlowe5569, unfortunately, I don't have the time or capacity to take on any additional clients. Still, I would recommend, as you have a local SBA, that you probably also have a SCORE (Society of Retired Executives). SCORE Is an excellent organization that will connect you with mentors tailored to your needs as you start your new journey. You can do all your paperwork to establish your LLC online, and your SCORE mentor can help you with the steps, from your business plan to financing, implementation, and execution. One suggestion, if you don't have one already, find a great accountant and familiarize yourself with tax law. Best of luck, and happy new year!
I had to clean out an office that was used for a subcontractor at an industrial facility so that our company could use the office. I found a safety manual in the safety supervisors desk so I kept it because I thought I would find some useful safety tips in there. When I actually read it, every sentence started with “to insulate the company from liability, you must x”.
So they had established safety procedures and tips in place to reduce the likelihood of on the job injuries of their employees, keep their work comp costs down, and protect the company from lawsuits or OSHA complaints for not having these things in place? Wow, what a horrible idea 😂
@@carollucks8491 there was nothing in the book about keeping anyone safe, it had a lot of stuff to shift blame away from the employer to the employee or to other contractors. It was carefully worded as if it were written by a lawyer.
This is why, in Australia, the employment arbitration commission is an arm of government - not paid for by the company , and completely impartial (as it should be).
That just adds more bureaucracy, no government branch in any country cares about the people
@@adventuress904 Not everyone lives in China, North Korea or the United States.
Many countries have minimum wages set to a living wage, unfair dismissal legislation, mandatory paid leave for all employees, paid parental leave for all citizens, free healthcare, free university education, unemployment payments, government housing to decrease homelessness, free mental health… the list goes on.
@@adventuress904this mindset was carefully cultivated and spread by decades of neoliberal propaganda exactly so we wind up in the state we are now. Other countries get on just fine because they actually take their institutions seriously and invest in em.
@@just_passing_throughit's not free but sounds great
@@adventuress904 this is also a case for bureaucracy is a good thing but you can never make that case to voters. Voters will just think it's more tax and wasted administrative space, even though it's an invaluable tool to dispense proper justice.
Politicians know this And we'll take advantage of this feeling and will actively lie and say that more bureaucracy is bad, all in an effort to favor big corporations. I'm not even going to pretend like there's a Left Right bias split on this. Literally nobody who cares about their employment laws should ever be voting for any right-wing candidate
Schocking that i got this video recommended when im going through hell at my work because poor managers and HR, they have lied and even fabricated evidence. Everything you said it has happened to me and I'm in Australia.
Your phone is always listening 😂😅😅
I learned the hard way that HR exists to protect the company and upper management. Thats it. They are not there to help you at all. They are the absolute WORST department that actively works against you.
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Absolutely correct.
How did you learn the hard way?
@@variant101 for me it was calling out my manager for reducing my role to in an attempt to get me resign. Provided evidence. Instead of supporting me, they offered me 5 months salary to leave.
HR is fictional. Its used to make and keep human slaves. How does that protect the slaves?
As an employee who is currently dealing with this it is very much true sadly. I had an employee call me the b word at work more than once and almost sock me in front of a supervisor and nothing was done for me. Not even union did anything for me. I filed a federal law complaint in the state of CA and currently looking for an attorney. I had to quit and move companies because of the awful retaliation and toxicity from supervisors. It's depressing to feel so helpless. And also getting retaliation on my pay check by the company... almost being homeless because of it... I can't explain how appreciative I am for your channel 🙏🏽
I'll never forget the lesson I learned when I was young into my career (3-yr). My boss verbally told me that was "too young" to be promoted. I made a complaint to HR. They brought me in and took my boss' side and threatened if I come in 1-min late, ever, they'll fire me. I quit that night at 2am. I'll never, ever trust HR ever again. Treat HR like mushrooms: feed them shit and keep them in the dark.
Also, I appreciate how he talks about the proverbial HR rep as "she". HR is rife with women.
Great point about HR having mostly women. Do you know the reason for this?
That's true and nasty Untrustworthy women at that. It's always the worst people in those positions.
@@johnathoncastro Absolutely!
Women in HR gaslight and sell BS well 🤨
Well crappy management is filled with men. Terrible people crave power regardless of gender. Men in management and women in HR work in tandem to screw you over.
Spot on. Be prepared to lose your job one way or the other. Harassed out or terminated for cause. Check all your state and federal whistleblower laws and rights first and make sure you follow any and all prescribed steps in reporting. If you have an EEOC protection collect all the evidence you can and file with EEOC first. Every company is completely complicit in these behaviors.
Here is the thing that I noticed as both a people manager and in individual contributor. HR always had tons of "market research" to show that salary ranges were correct and could not be increased to retain or attract employees. They also blocked promotions saying that the business does not need the people at the higher level. But the same time, they slowly promoted every person in the HR department (themselves) so that the lowest-level person in the entire department was an "HR Manager" with the corresponding pay grade. Most were at the director level and above.
That even happens in the Federal government. HR does a good job of taking care of themselves.
Like Congress...
As soon as the hangover clears, every high school/college graduate should watch this.
This is why you get everything in writing. Emails are binding and only communicate through email. Now video can be recorded if you need too. In a one party state, you can record phone calls.
But to be safe, emails are your friend. Detailed documentation is key too.
Yup, Completly Agreed. Sometimes your reporting Managers would give you a Completely Absurd Instructions, here in that case, you can always Gently but firmly ask your reporting manager to mail it.
I was employed for a company 5 years. I got injured and couldn't work until after surgery. After I got back out there I felt a lot of pain and per doctor's order , I did not take jobs after that one until my appointment. HR kept calling me telling me of I don't accept anymore jobs they will put me on "the list". They had fired me before my doctors appointment
NEVER go to HR to ask about things like disability benefits or ask for the forms. I have seen them work with management to rush through a (falsified) termination to prevent a woman with MS from filing for disability.
I’ve seen this too!!!
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What are you supposed to do?
@SaveThatMoney411 I would go to the government office or website. I would fill out the documents, submit them to the government first (if possible), then give a copy to HR.
You got to be a real piece of sh*t to do that to someone ill.