Any time you compare a turbo to a non turbo at elevation the non turbo will be ar a severe disadvantage..its not a fare comparison..you should test them at sea level for a fair comparison...not a good video in my opinion..
@@bigdusa11it’s great for those of us who live in high altitude areas. They work and live in Denver Colorado. That’s where I live so this is perfect. I’m still getting the ZR2 but it shows me how far off things are. The new ZR2 still out performs my 2014 FX4 ecoboost so I’m happy.
@@putz173 If it came with a supercharger like the LT4 engine does, DOD/AFM wouldn't be on the engine plus the truck would have 650/650 hp/trq. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
@@Wolfsbane1100 Your right......it needs more than 650. Why not contact John Hennessey and have them produce a 1k ZR2? I'm sure that would be loads of fun.
I was surprised GM didn't do a unique twist to the engine in the ZR2 but the 3.5 eco boost time doesn't surprise me. If I remember correctly the 3.5 eco boost engines (hybrid, high output, regular) are some of the most powerful stock engines available right now, TRX is king of course and not factoring in companies like Shelby who make their own versions of trucks the 3.5 eco boost engine stock is a beast. Looking forward to seeing the new upcoming hurricane engine for the dodge ram go up against it.
@CrackedHeadsErodingValvesRotenOringLeaksEveryTime yup exactly, I know V8 fans boys diss the eco boost engine lineup but 0-60 times such as 5.3 seconds for the hybrid for example you can't argue with those facts for stock engines if you can't afford a Dodge Ram TRX.
Cool video. I have to admit I have lost interest in the Chevy after I heard they want to charge a monthly fee for some of the features that come with the truck. I'm soured on the whole brand.
They also wax coat their frames because theyre too cheap to do ionic bonding like the Japanese and even Stellantis. Sad. At least Ford still does Merica proud.
@@jasonr7253 old ones. The aluminum ones have ionic bonding like the newer Rams. Meanwhile go look under any GM truck in the northeast after 24 months... none of them are forever trucks anymore. Buy a pre pandemic Ram or Ford for that.
The funny thing is that 10 years ago, this ZR2 would be the talk of the town. Although the power plant is certainly impressive by any standards, it's just not up to the level of the Raptor, and especially not the TRX. At a lower price point, I could see these trucks selling well - but when trying to compete with the "big boys", it doesn't have the WOW factor.
Chevy are not trying to compete with the big boys, but are just filling a niche. Prior to the chip shortage, the Raptors were being heavily discounted!! I bought my 2019 for $12,000 less than MSRP!! Now there’s 2 in that market. Once the manufacturers can keep up with demand and fill the lots,,,, well Chevy was smart enough not to add a 3rd direct competitor. The ZR2 much more closely matches up against the F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential. That is a pretty aggressive limited slip and will only fall behind the Chevy in pure rock crawling. Otherwise they are very close. The DSSV shocks also add a bit of an advantage to the Chevy. With the Ford you can add the Torsen axel to a XLT level finish, put a serious set of Fox shocks, King shocks ar the like and still be thousands less than the Chevy and then there will be only one slight advantage to the Chevy.. thing is in deep snow or mud it very likely the F150 Tremor will outperform the ZR2 Silverado. Too many inexperienced and cityboy comments on here. Glad to read them to see how everyone views each truck mind you.
I agree. GM is missing the wow even simple 35s from factory and the option of 37s from factory would be nice too. GM has the power plants to compete but missing the balls to pull the trigger. Then charging monthly fees for some of the technology is BS too.
@@head0927 - Why would they build a 3rd truck in a market, that when it was stable, was not big enough for just the Raptor?? Like throwing good $$$ after bad. Yes the “Chevy” fans want something similar, but it’s not really economically feasible.
I think it makes sense actually. The ZR2 is more livable in daily driving than the other two which is where 90%+ of these trucks are gonna live anyway, and they don't need it to have that WOW factor because they have the Hummer for that. The Hummer is their true halo off-roading truck.
What you really need to do is race that ZR2 against a Tremor. The Raptor is a whole different class of truck. The Raptor will beat the ZR2 on road, off road, drag race, Baja, just name it. The Tremor is more suited for the class of competition the ZR2 brings, and there are in the same ballpark as far as price goes. That’s where I think the comparison would be a bit more even.
Yeah, given that the Raptor is built and advertised as a desert runner, the ZR2 should really but put up against the Tremor. Both of them are built and focused on trails and rocks, it's a much more fair comparison.
@@ajmedeiros77 lol I know right?!? The Tremor would still kick the ZR2’s behind, but at least the sales slips would be closer in comparison, you can do big V8 vs V8 (6.2 vs 7.3) and just run them. Then, there would be no more excuses when one truck wins over the other because of this or that.
I wish they would come out with a ZR2 custom like the trailboss for the people that actually want to offroad. More so plain interior stock suspension. Keep the bumpers and lockers add a 5.3v8 and the 3.0 i6. Knock the price down 15-20k.
GM would sell tons of ZR2's if they put in 4.10 gearing and put on 35" tires at the current price point. It would be the perfect balance of price to features of what the ZR2 is supposed to be. Currently, it's too expensive, it has the wrong gearing and the tires are too small. It's that simple.
@@CortMarshal buying bigger tires is easy but buying and getting gears installed in a brand new truck to accommodate the new tires not easy. Factory optioned 4.10s would be awesome for the people that actually plan to use it. But my biggest wish is a trailboss version with the same factory lockers front and rear without the suspension and interior packaging. Help keep price down.
@@CortMarshal I know that your remark was ment differently but actually it's not far from the truth as Andre explains with how a larger tire would interfere with the upper "A" frame. So yea, there is that.
@@bantizzle79 ford has a turbo charged v6….very distinct from a super charged v8. Supercharged v8 closer to 80k than 70k. But don’t worry, I’m sure the new ESV engine in the Escalade will find its way into their trucks.
I would guess with the turbos on the Raptor there would be zero power loss at altitude if they were controlled as opposed to unrestricted turbos. Fun test.
Turbo engines have about a 1% power loss every 2,500 ft of elevation and a NA engine looses 3% of its power every 1,000 ft of elevation so the 6.2 is at 15% reduction in power making its 420hp now 357hp and the raptor from 450hp to 441hp. Making all the drag races very biased when it comes to forced induction engines. Yes I understand they test where they live, but you have to base your vehicle based off of where you live. Not on a video that the elements make it biased tword forced induction.
The chevys dont like to be brake torqued from the launch. You guys found that out with the Yukon vs navigator race. You have to emergency brake launch these. Emergency brake in, rev it up then pull the brake. Boom!
I’m die hard Chevrolet but prices are just to high nowadays I wish I can get the custom trailboss with 6.2 … my dad got the limeted custom trailboss with 6.2 .. now they only offer it 2.7 , 5.3 , 3.0 diesel… makes me go for the upcoming rattler with 5.0 coyote.. sad 😔
Good to see Kase in front of the camera again. The kid is extremely well spoken and knowledgeable. I'm also happy to see sponsors that are relevant to what TFL does. My brain thanks you!
@@muddyguns It does when that "kid" has more knowledge then most wannabes 3 times his age. You're probably happy with a senile president cause, I mean, he's old!
@@843OutdoorsSC It's a weird trend and I just hope Ram and Ford keep doing what they're doing bcuz the Silverado ZR2 and new Tundra look like a big carp.
How often does someone really need to have that much power in off-road situations? The naturally aspirated is more than enough for most driving( other than drag racing)
True, you're logic is sound. However you don't buy the top tier super truck with a super price and think I have enough power with my naturally aspirated lol If only they had a 6.2l supercharged ??? I own the 21 trail boss 5.3L, I'm a fan of GM but there's something there not telling 🤔 us
Amused. It’s funny that someone brings that up as though it’s ridiculous. It really does depend on your altitude. Honest. Personally, I prefer a supercharger, but either way at higher altitudes, forced induction allows you to keep making power even as the air gets thinner. Additional. When you’re doing extreme rock crawling at any altitude, boost means you can run up steeper cliffs while using a lighter build. Boost essentially packs more cubes into a smaller motor. For instance, a 174 blower on a Ford 302 build (switched to back to it over my boosted 460 swap), has less weight and makes more reliable power, but it’s also packing well over 500 CID into a 302 CID motor. Fair. Turbos do make boost a bit differently, but sticking with the theme they also weigh less. I just don’t like complication and would prefer to be able to reliably use pump gas.
My 21 rst 6.2 is a fast truck stock for the 420hp its got. In double cab trim trucks roughly 5k lbs. ive hit less then 5.0 0-60s. Ive driven trx, not a raptor though. The silverado is suprisingly close in Good air for being way down on power and NA vs the others. 10 spd is glorious in that truck. I look for raptors to mess with in mine cause trucks not mucch slower as it sits..in 650hp range truck would be an absolute animal.
@@danc8919 BS! I have had 4 different Chevy and GMC 6.2 trucks last was a 2020 AT4. I now have a TRX and it utterly rips the living shit out of a raptor. No way in hell is your truck even in the same zip code as aTRX in a race. I consistently get 3.5 second 0-60 in mine all day long.
No arguing the Raptor will always beat the ZR2 in a drag race but I wonder how much closer it would be at sea level? Air is thin a mile up, major disadvantage for naturally aspirated engines
Did you really have to run this race? Turbo developing torque way lower in RPM range. Then turbo has the flow for more HP at higher revs---duh!! Sea level isn't going to change that.
The 10spd negates the rear end issue dramatically, that's the whole point of the 10spd, you can make up for a lot on the bottom end and still get better economy.
You should try some 0-60-0 races (or 0-100-0)👍🏻 Would be interesting to see how the brakes compare, plus I suspect it would lead to some amazing Andre reactions 😂😜🏴
some of those trucks may not even be able to touch 100mph, My 08 f-150 has a limiter right around 90 something. it will run all the way up there but then it will fall on it's face. You can feel it coasting, then after it drops under a certain speed you can feel the power come back on. Manufacturers will limit a vehicles speed base on tire, such as my FX4. Or better example would be the (IIRC) Camaro on AS tires vs the performance tire. I believe the ones on all season tires where limited to lower speeds, but I may be remembering that wrong.
The existence of the Escalade V makes me believe that a more powerful Silverado is more than possible, it still wouldn’t be able to take the crown from the TRX and upcoming Raptor R.
Right? Every time I see the new 1500s I say "dang that things ugly, surely it can't get worse than that" then the 2500-3500 comes in saying "hold my beer"
I get your point but tbf a truck if far more useful and practical than a corvette. Way more room, accessories, towing, hauling, off roading, and longer range for road trips. The corvette and to that extent all supercar/hypercars are overpriced for the actual usability. That truck will do infinitely more useful things than a corvette ever could. Corvettes are good for racing and looking nice. That's their only function. For that price I'd get a truck any day of the week.
Both are great trucks but if the Ford didn't have turbos it would be just a v6 motor with not much power. I really don't think we are comparing apples to apples here. I like the raw power of the Chevrolet V8.
Yeah I'm not a fan of the eco-junk either. It has a lot of issues that people like to ignore. They act like it's such an amazing engine... it's not. Coyote 5.0 vs that monster 6.2! 😎👍
Love the series, would love to see a roll-race portion added to the quarter mile. This would eliminate any advantage a vehicle might have from a dig and even out the results a bit.
16.4 1/4 mile!??? These high elevation drag races are ridiculous. New 6.2’s are in the high 13’s at sea level! 2.5 second difference in the quarter mile! Does nobody realize this massive difference that make pretty much all turbo vs NA drag races on tfl completely worthless.
@@brentvance3958 the disinformation to the public is what bothers me. Look at all the comments from people that think the zr2 is underpowered and needs a supercharger to compete with the raptor because they don’t realize how absurd a 16.4 1/4 mile is for that truck. My stock 1997 tahoe ran high 16’s.
Pointless comparison at 1 mile of elevation. Chevy is going to lose 70-80 hp over sea level and the Raptor won't lose nearly as much thanks to the turbos compensating. Raptor is probably faster at sea level anyway, but it would at least be a race.
Yeah, pointless. Everyone knows the power of your truck only matters at sea level. No one ever tows up and down mountains at elevation where they might care which half ton truck has more power to the pavement.
Unless of course one lives at that elevation, then it would be pointless to run them at sea level. A dude living at elevation could care less what they do anywhere else.
@@charliedee9276 Reallly? The point of a drag race is to figure out who's going to win. The Raptor win was a foregone conclusion. Thus the test was pointless. This isn't hard people. Simple math. Plus vehicles are rated at standard atmospheric pressure (i.e near sea level, which is where most people live - 75% under 1500 ft). You can easily figure out how much power an NA vehicle will lose at elevation. Would you have expected any other result between a 450 hp truck and a 340 hp truck of similar weights? Of course not, but that's exactly what this comparison was about. Again, pointless.
To the “they need to race at sea level to be fair” folks. Considering very few people live at sea level and quite a few states average elevation is around 2K feet above sea level or more I don’t plan on driving to California to race someone because I have turbos.
I get it...but only a very small percentage of people (I'd argue far less than the people than live near sea level) operate vehicles on a daily basis at an elevation of 6000 feet or higher. I think that is why they bring this up.
Well to be fair I think over 1/3 of the US lives near the coast (something like 125 million people). Not saying we need to cater to those, just that a lot of people live near there.
Its funny because the Zr2 has a v8 thats weighs more than a v6 but the Raptor as a whole weighs more than the ZR2 therefore Ford can easily put a v8 in the raptor and weight wouldn’t be an issue. All they have to do is make their truck a little lighter.
Yeah the ZR2 is a little slower but it's also 20k cheaper, the ZR2 is the better truck when you look at value. There's no way that guy paid sticker for a Raptor, every dealer marks them up by at least 10k.
I hear 6.2 this and 6.2 that but this right here says it all boys. The 3.5 eb is an animal and efficient when needed. Also when you hotlap a twin turbo beast and stock intercooler your iat's rise and it pulls timing in the ecu
@@Hunter-nb5bj I had a blazer zr2 and it wasn't about fast it was about messing with jeeps and I rolled that suckered and drove it home legally now its the deer lease car... the raptor came from Baja the zr2 came from the Rubicon... I bet that Chevy could beat it up a rocky steep hill with out a fuss... the raptor need the high side of the turbo for power not a large displacement N/A engine....
Personally, I really like the ZR2, but I'm a GM fanboy. I like the TRX, but I just couldn't justify it over ZR2 with extra fuel, most likely insurance as a lot more power mean higher premium. And Raptor has been cool since it first came out, but to me, it's had it's chance to shine.
@@ttamcc.4674 I'm a GM fanboy in general. The T1 platform specifically for me as I got to do some work on it when I was co-oping at a supplier for them and it was my first prototype project, and I still think the biggest prototype project I have been part of. And yeah, the ZR2 doesn't seem special since it only has the standard 6.2, but it is the only half ton with a front locker, they didn't do a wide body, so it can go through tighter trails than a Raptor or TRX, and honestly, on a trail, you don't need the extra power, that's how a Suzuki Samurai or Jimny is so capable, small, light weight and just enough power. And GM only gave it 33s, but you can put on 35s easily, you just have to take it upon yourself to change it. 37s though they look cool and big tires do make big rocks seem smaller, hurt your fuel economy, acceleration, add stress to all the drive line components, and your suspension, and all that just makes it harder to live with unless your house is at the end of the trail, just doesn't seem worth it.
@@ttamcc.4674 - I’m not a GM fanboy, but I’d take a naturally aspirated LT engine over that EcoBoost any day, unless I lived and towed at high elevations, which I don’t.
First I Love my F150, but I have to admit the ZR2 looks really really good, might not be the desert runner the Ford is, might not be drag racer the Raptor is, but dang it sure is a pretty truck. I’d still get the Ford, like having a truck the body ain’t falling off of before I get it paid for(salt and steel), but I really like the Chevy’s good looks, I’m not sure what I saw it on but remember the hyena concept Silverado, where is it? Also Thanks to the young man sharing his baby with TFL and us fans, loved seeing how much he loves his incredible Race Red Raptor.
I am a Ford Truck guy but there is no surprise the turbo would do much better in any situation but at a mile above sea level the N/A never had a chance. No way.
Just say you own a garbage chevy , you don't have any excuse for that and the people who prefer a Chevy over raptor are the biggest handicapped boomers on this planet
I’ve been saying it for the longest….they are a mile above sea level. Also need to get the stock performance package which adds about 15 lbs of torque and horse power for 10-15k less. The Borla exhaust sounds beautiful even better than the v8 Tundra trd pro.
Raptor only comes with the twin turbo v6! Lol comparing a regular f150 with a coyote to the zr2 misses the point. Zr2 is trying to compete with the raptor and trx .
I agree, but Ford doesn't really have a V8 Raptor anyway. What I would love to see is long term. Will the ZR2 outlive the V6 Turbo. Generally turbo engines don't live as long as a N/A, and I believe that's where the ZR2 will shine.
@@bloodtearssweat1373 lol have you not see the issues with the 5.3 & 6.2 Chevy engines currently? Rockers shit themselves, and rods bending at under 5k-10k miles I'm a Chevy fan but it's just the facts
Ecoboost more than proven itself over the years! I've seen way more GM (Garbage Motors) fail over my 20 yr plus career as mechanic. Zr2 is absolute joke at that price!
@@nafsucof 100 agree. the corvette is the only vehicle that they have that ahead of the game . Now with rumors circulating about ford bringing back the thunderbird name and making a legit 2 seater corvette fighter. Hopefully it's a serious machine and not a flop like the last one
I feel like at sea level this race would be much closer like they said the turbo helps the raptor a lot with not losing as much power as the ZR2 with the 6.2 now with that said I still wish Chevy put a motor with a little more HP in this truck.
Ya NA engines loose about 3% power every 1,000 ft elevation and forced induction engines loose about 1% every 2,500 ft of elevation. So you do the math kinda a boost biased environment.
@@TFLtruck I want you guys to know how important your videos are. I watched several hours of videos and a lot were yours before buying my used truck 2 years ago. I got a 2013 Ford f150 platinum. I exactly what I was looking for. In half ton pick-up was going to be the f150 with the 5.0. In 3/4 ton was not really what I wanted the gas engines had lacking results and the diesel engine made more sense in which case the ton pick-up had more capacity to tow and made more sense. If I had went to the ton the Ford and dodge impressed me with power and fuel efficiency but Chevy really seems to split the middle. So at that point it was really a toss up for which one was the cheapest and lowest mileage all three had advantages and disadvantages but watching your tests I knew all three would be able to meet my needs.
In typical Chevy form let's not compete with the raptor or trx and give the customers what they really want. instead they pump out an escalade v with over 600 hp and charge 150k.
Exactly!! Some engineering lady said we built the ZR2 from our voices of our customers what a crock!!! They definitely never asked me what I wanted in a truck!!!
I’m sorry, with used 2021 Cadillac Escalade Sports currently selling for $150,000 what were they _supposed_ to charge for the Escalade V? What would you say that vehicle is worth? Isn’t the Navigator with a dumbed down version of this Raptor engine in the sub $120,000s?? 😂 Cadillac is GM’s luxury/performance brand, they are supposed to get exclusives that their standard brands do not. Ford doesn’t have a luxury performance brand. Lol. So stop comparing them tooth and nail. PLEASE.🤦🏽♂️
@@mybro727 first of all a vehicle is only worth what one is willing to pay. Second Cadillacs are made with mostly china, Philippino and Mexico parts...
I am thinking that the more I look at that ZR2 the more I like it. Raptor is a bit too specialized for my taste. I mean really you give up so much in payload with the Raptor it makes it pretty much useless for truck stuff. Honestly the Tremor package on the F250 is a better deal. Who cares which one is faster in a drag race? They both have adequate power for real life stuff. It is fun to watch these videos though.
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Any time you compare a turbo to a non turbo at elevation the non turbo will be ar a severe disadvantage..its not a fare comparison..you should test them at sea level for a fair comparison...not a good video in my opinion..
Get a performance tune for the zr2
@@bigdusa11it’s great for those of us who live in high altitude areas. They work and live in Denver Colorado. That’s where I live so this is perfect. I’m still getting the ZR2 but it shows me how far off things are. The new ZR2 still out performs my 2014 FX4 ecoboost so I’m happy.
GM really needed to do something extra with the ZR2 powerplant at that price, either tune it for more or add a blower to hit 500+hp
But 1st delete the DOD/AFM system.
@@MastersOfMask Pulsar LT does that but should just come disabled on something like that
@@putz173 If it came with a supercharger like the LT4 engine does, DOD/AFM wouldn't be on the engine plus the truck would have 650/650 hp/trq. That wouldn't be a bad thing.
Why? It doesn't need it.
@@Wolfsbane1100 Your right......it needs more than 650. Why not contact John Hennessey and have them produce a 1k ZR2? I'm sure that would be loads of fun.
I was surprised GM didn't do a unique twist to the engine in the ZR2 but the 3.5 eco boost time doesn't surprise me. If I remember correctly the 3.5 eco boost engines (hybrid, high output, regular) are some of the most powerful stock engines available right now, TRX is king of course and not factoring in companies like Shelby who make their own versions of trucks the 3.5 eco boost engine stock is a beast. Looking forward to seeing the new upcoming hurricane engine for the dodge ram go up against it.
lol the 3.5 a "beast" hah
@CrackedHeadsErodingValvesRotenOringLeaksEveryTime yup exactly, I know V8 fans boys diss the eco boost engine lineup but 0-60 times such as 5.3 seconds for the hybrid for example you can't argue with those facts for stock engines if you can't afford a Dodge Ram TRX.
@CrackedHeadsErodingValvesRotenOringLeaksEveryTime try towing..... also sounds like shit
chevy dropped the ball on the zr2. neutered it before it had a chance.
Why didn’t they supercharge it?
@@maxracingteam23 Almost the same power as the turbo v6.
A naturally aspirated engine @ 1 mile above sea level isn’t ever going to win a drag vs something that makes it’s own air.
Power isn’t all that important to me, at least in a vehicle like this. As long as it’s sufficient to have fun I’m perfectly happy.
@@Jtfogle82 true. But it could have been better than the raptor and on the same level as the TRX
Cool video. I have to admit I have lost interest in the Chevy after I heard they want to charge a monthly fee for some of the features that come with the truck. I'm soured on the whole brand.
Same here!
They also wax coat their frames because theyre too cheap to do ionic bonding like the Japanese and even Stellantis. Sad. At least Ford still does Merica proud.
@@omardevonlittle3817 ford frames are rusting right now lol
I agree. Take hard earned money and keep taking it for the features in the truck. No way, never.
@@jasonr7253 old ones. The aluminum ones have ionic bonding like the newer Rams. Meanwhile go look under any GM truck in the northeast after 24 months... none of them are forever trucks anymore. Buy a pre pandemic Ram or Ford for that.
Gapped 3 lengths, no surprise. Andre was incorrect, it was 1.32 seconds faster, in the 0-60 world thats a bunch.
The funny thing is that 10 years ago, this ZR2 would be the talk of the town. Although the power plant is certainly impressive by any standards, it's just not up to the level of the Raptor, and especially not the TRX. At a lower price point, I could see these trucks selling well - but when trying to compete with the "big boys", it doesn't have the WOW factor.
Chevy are not trying to compete with the big boys, but are just filling a niche. Prior to the chip shortage, the Raptors were being heavily discounted!! I bought my 2019 for $12,000 less than MSRP!! Now there’s 2 in that market. Once the manufacturers can keep up with demand and fill the lots,,,, well Chevy was smart enough not to add a 3rd direct competitor. The ZR2 much more closely matches up against the F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential. That is a pretty aggressive limited slip and will only fall behind the Chevy in pure rock crawling. Otherwise they are very close. The DSSV shocks also add a bit of an advantage to the Chevy. With the Ford you can add the Torsen axel to a XLT level finish, put a serious set of Fox shocks, King shocks ar the like and still be thousands less than the Chevy and then there will be only one slight advantage to the Chevy.. thing is in deep snow or mud it very likely the F150 Tremor will outperform the ZR2 Silverado. Too many inexperienced and cityboy comments on here. Glad to read them to see how everyone views each truck mind you.
I agree. GM is missing the wow even simple 35s from factory and the option of 37s from factory would be nice too. GM has the power plants to compete but missing the balls to pull the trigger. Then charging monthly fees for some of the technology is BS too.
@@head0927 - Why would they build a 3rd truck in a market, that when it was stable, was not big enough for just the Raptor?? Like throwing good $$$ after bad. Yes the “Chevy” fans want something similar, but it’s not really economically feasible.
100% agree
I think it makes sense actually. The ZR2 is more livable in daily driving than the other two which is where 90%+ of these trucks are gonna live anyway, and they don't need it to have that WOW factor because they have the Hummer for that. The Hummer is their true halo off-roading truck.
What you really need to do is race that ZR2 against a Tremor. The Raptor is a whole different class of truck. The Raptor will beat the ZR2 on road, off road, drag race, Baja, just name it. The Tremor is more suited for the class of competition the ZR2 brings, and there are in the same ballpark as far as price goes. That’s where I think the comparison would be a bit more even.
Yeah, given that the Raptor is built and advertised as a desert runner, the ZR2 should really but put up against the Tremor. Both of them are built and focused on trails and rocks, it's a much more fair comparison.
Why so the Chevy can get beat even worse?! 😆
@@ajmedeiros77 lol I know right?!? The Tremor would still kick the ZR2’s behind, but at least the sales slips would be closer in comparison, you can do big V8 vs V8 (6.2 vs 7.3) and just run them. Then, there would be no more excuses when one truck wins over the other because of this or that.
@@ajmedeiros77
Didn't the Tremor get beat by the 3.0 Silverado?
@@Wolfsbane1100 gm didn't build the ZR2 to complete with the Tremor. They built it to complete with the Raptor
It’s a shame GM didn’t make this truck more unique. Same engine same body practically. Literally just shocks and tires. Not surprised though from GM.
The tech is better than previous models. With twin turbos you are just asking for trouble.
At least it has a front locker unlike the rest
I wish they would come out with a ZR2 custom like the trailboss for the people that actually want to offroad. More so plain interior stock suspension. Keep the bumpers and lockers add a 5.3v8 and the 3.0 i6. Knock the price down 15-20k.
Chevy, do us all a favor and figure out what you're trying to do with your design.
Chevy needs some better engine options
Burn it to the ground and start over. The interior redo is really nice but the exterior is so bad
I've owned all Chevy with the exception of one Buick the last 43 years.I'm done with GM!! Terrible warranty and customer service.
See ya
They put out the same junk every year
@@stellingbanjodude No you won't
@@jimr3179 in other words adios
Easy there, Karen. I'm sure the manager thinks highly of you as well
1:40 the ad lmao. Finances up to 50k while standing in front of a 90k truck 😂
GM would sell tons of ZR2's if they put in 4.10 gearing and put on 35" tires at the current price point. It would be the perfect balance of price to features of what the ZR2 is supposed to be. Currently, it's too expensive, it has the wrong gearing and the tires are too small. It's that simple.
They should just scrap them all because it's impossible to change the tires after you buy it
@@CortMarshal buying bigger tires is easy but buying and getting gears installed in a brand new truck to accommodate the new tires not easy. Factory optioned 4.10s would be awesome for the people that actually plan to use it. But my biggest wish is a trailboss version with the same factory lockers front and rear without the suspension and interior packaging. Help keep price down.
@@CortMarshal I know that your remark was ment differently but actually it's not far from the truth as Andre explains with how a larger tire would interfere with the upper "A" frame. So yea, there is that.
You’re gonna need to bust out the GMC Syclone 😁
Or the ss454 🤭🤣
If GMC built a syclone out of the Canyon, I would never ask for anything else as long as I live.
@@timcheek5134 The SS 454 would get walked by any minivan on the market.
@@Terror1Void now it might, but not back then...
They should have released it as a new ss that way it complements how they destroyed the zl1
GM really dropped the ball by not supercharging the 6.2.
I agree. However, I hear that the supercharged version is coming later.
I think it would be too much of a gas hog.
Superchargers for the 6.2 already exist. The price for one would make this truck cost about the same as a fully-loaded Raptor white beating it.
Who buys these trucks to run the drag strip with them? Completely pointless. Not what these vehicles were designed for.
but that will be really expensive, maybe it's between the price of Raptor R & Escalade V
GM should have supercharged the ZR2
And price out a huge portion of potential buyers…they know anyone who wants a super charger that bad would and can get it after market.
They better supercharge it if they want to keep up with the V6, good luck with the Raptor R.
The engine they’re putting in the Escalade v should be in the zr2
@@cl3410 majority of truck buyers want it to come from the factory already supercharged. Especially if they are spending 70k plus
@@bantizzle79 ford has a turbo charged v6….very distinct from a super charged v8. Supercharged v8 closer to 80k than 70k. But don’t worry, I’m sure the new ESV engine in the Escalade will find its way into their trucks.
I would guess with the turbos on the Raptor there would be zero power loss at altitude if they were controlled as opposed to unrestricted turbos. Fun test.
Dang near 0 for sure
Turbo engines have about a 1% power loss every 2,500 ft of elevation and a NA engine looses 3% of its power every 1,000 ft of elevation so the 6.2 is at 15% reduction in power making its 420hp now 357hp and the raptor from 450hp to 441hp. Making all the drag races very biased when it comes to forced induction engines. Yes I understand they test where they live, but you have to base your vehicle based off of where you live. Not on a video that the elements make it biased tword forced induction.
@@fl_atv_riders4455 for grins, they should dig up an old school carbureted big engined truck jetted for sea level and run it at 5,000 feet.
@@jefferp it would look like a bunch of old school diesels racing from the over fueling
@@fl_atv_riders4455 No doubt. 😂Power loss is massive at as little as 5,000 feet.
The chevys dont like to be brake torqued from the launch. You guys found that out with the Yukon vs navigator race. You have to emergency brake launch these. Emergency brake in, rev it up then pull the brake. Boom!
At that altitude the GM is only actually producing about 380hp while the twin turbo is still producing very close to the 450hp
So what you’re saying is ford cares about power everywhere. Alright
Your correct. Having said that the Turbo will always maintain close to the rated hp no matter what the elevation.
@@mattgray6436 Not necessarily, just the places you tow & go _before_ 100,000 miles. 🙃
As much as i love the new ZR2, I'm still gonna have to put my money on a Colorado ZR2 with the 2.8 duramax or the trail boss with the 3.0 duramax.
Amen, lots of torque, great towing and great mpg. What else could you want. That 3.0 diesal can be tuned to get more HP
I’m die hard Chevrolet but prices are just to high nowadays I wish I can get the custom trailboss with 6.2 … my dad got the limeted custom trailboss with 6.2 .. now they only offer it 2.7 , 5.3 , 3.0 diesel… makes me go for the upcoming rattler with 5.0 coyote.. sad 😔
@@sschevmale24 cheaper diesel fuel prices. Almost $7/gallon in Southern California.
@@baldomerovega65 I recommend the GM with the the 6.2 and 10-speed. Best powertrain combo out there.
Best I have got with my ZR2 with Dragy is 6.2 sec? 6.7 was a valid run to them because of ground elevation.
I agree gearing is probably the biggest game changer in drag racing.
Good to see Kase in front of the camera again. The kid is extremely well spoken and knowledgeable.
I'm also happy to see sponsors that are relevant to what TFL does. My brain thanks you!
Thank you for the feedback.
Nope. Kid has to go. Watching a 19 year old review a 70k truck just doesn't do it for us.
@@muddyguns
It does when that "kid" has more knowledge then most wannabes 3 times his age.
You're probably happy with a senile president cause, I mean, he's old!
A 6.2 Trail Boss will run low 14's to high 13's at sea level @100mph ish. Don't brake torque just hit the gas and make sure its got 93 octane in it.
I doubt they have 93 in Colorado. Put some C16 and let's do it again
I love the Raptor next time tryout the Baja setting for the race
I'd still prefer the natural aspirated motor over forced induction. Less issues longterm.
You obviously haven't heard of all the 6.2 issues.
@@51AB nope... I drive a Toyota. Lol
@@51AB exactly, gm makes sure they lose no matter what.
The front end on the ZR2 is awful. What was Chevy thinking?🤮
I like it better than the Ford … Different strokes, I guess …
They are thinking how retail companies have thought for years... make it look cool to make up for how the product sucks performance wise...
@@sking2173 yeah different people like different things
@@albinogator6221 the problem is it doesn’t look cool. It looks weird.
@@843OutdoorsSC It's a weird trend and I just hope Ram and Ford keep doing what they're doing bcuz the Silverado ZR2 and new Tundra look like a big carp.
How often does someone really need to have that much power in off-road situations? The naturally aspirated is more than enough for most driving( other than drag racing)
True, you're logic is sound. However you don't buy the top tier super truck with a super price and think I have enough power with my naturally aspirated lol
If only they had a 6.2l supercharged ???
I own the 21 trail boss 5.3L, I'm a fan of GM but there's something there not telling 🤔 us
@@ssgbudlong4728 agreed
More often than you think.
Says the Chevy or fiat Chrysler fan 😆
Amused. It’s funny that someone brings that up as though it’s ridiculous. It really does depend on your altitude.
Honest. Personally, I prefer a supercharger, but either way at higher altitudes, forced induction allows you to keep making power even as the air gets thinner.
Additional. When you’re doing extreme rock crawling at any altitude, boost means you can run up steeper cliffs while using a lighter build. Boost essentially packs more cubes into a smaller motor. For instance, a 174 blower on a Ford 302 build (switched to back to it over my boosted 460 swap), has less weight and makes more reliable power, but it’s also packing well over 500 CID into a 302 CID motor.
Fair. Turbos do make boost a bit differently, but sticking with the theme they also weigh less. I just don’t like complication and would prefer to be able to reliably use pump gas.
I love the look of these modern pick up trucks. Works of art.
As a Ford enthusiast I love this 🤣🤣
The raptor finally won lol
@@fireant1272 it'll win against any GM truck
The 6.2 GM trucks run well into the 14's at sea level where they can get some air.
Somtimes high 13s
My 2.7 ford 4x4 went 14.37 Stone stock in quarter mile .
My 21 rst 6.2 is a fast truck stock for the 420hp its got. In double cab trim trucks roughly 5k lbs. ive hit less then 5.0 0-60s. Ive driven trx, not a raptor though. The silverado is suprisingly close in Good air for being way down on power and NA vs the others. 10 spd is glorious in that truck. I look for raptors to mess with in mine cause trucks not mucch slower as it sits..in 650hp range truck would be an absolute animal.
And i mean animal. Way more so then a trx since their beefier and heavier trucks. I drive one on occasion. To know.
@@danc8919 BS! I have had 4 different Chevy and GMC 6.2 trucks last was a 2020 AT4. I now have a TRX and it utterly rips the living shit out of a raptor. No way in hell is your truck even in the same zip code as aTRX in a race. I consistently get 3.5 second 0-60 in mine all day long.
No arguing the Raptor will always beat the ZR2 in a drag race but I wonder how much closer it would be at sea level? Air is thin a mile up, major disadvantage for naturally aspirated engines
It's better all around zr2 is barely more capable than a z71
Wayyyyyy more torque. Thing has like 600 ft/lbs (yeah it’s rated @ 510 but they dyno over 500tq to wheels- stock(
Did you really have to run this race? Turbo developing torque way lower in RPM range. Then turbo has the flow for more HP at higher revs---duh!! Sea level isn't going to change that.
Gearing won that race. 4.10 compared to 3.21 is a large factor, even with a 10 speed. Regear that ZR2 and you have a race.
Still won’t do it
The 10spd negates the rear end issue dramatically, that's the whole point of the 10spd, you can make up for a lot on the bottom end and still get better economy.
Sea level would be much closer!
@@michaelronneseth801 while your right about the 10 speed negating it, the raptor also has a 10 speed so It'll still be quicker from the launch
You should try some 0-60-0 races (or 0-100-0)👍🏻 Would be interesting to see how the brakes compare, plus I suspect it would lead to some amazing Andre reactions 😂😜🏴
some of those trucks may not even be able to touch 100mph,
My 08 f-150 has a limiter right around 90 something. it will run all the way up there but then it will fall on it's face. You can feel it coasting, then after it drops under a certain speed you can feel the power come back on.
Manufacturers will limit a vehicles speed base on tire, such as my FX4.
Or better example would be the (IIRC) Camaro on AS tires vs the performance tire.
I believe the ones on all season tires where limited to lower speeds, but I may be remembering that wrong.
Nice job GM, build a new truck and still stupid enough to make it SLOWER than its competitor.
The existence of the Escalade V makes me believe that a more powerful Silverado is more than possible, it still wouldn’t be able to take the crown from the TRX and upcoming Raptor R.
gods, whoever approved the design of that chevy needs to have his eyes checked
Right? Every time I see the new 1500s I say "dang that things ugly, surely it can't get worse than that" then the 2500-3500 comes in saying "hold my beer"
I’m a Toyota guy so I’ve got no dog in the fight, but wouldn’t it be a more level playing field to run the Chevy ZR2 against a Ford Tremor?
It would most likely be the same result if not better for the f150 tremor
@@eliasgutierrez6789 Yep, I figured that out after I looked at it a little more closely, Lol. 👍🏻
Remember when a new corvette cost less than that ZR2 pickup truck? I do, it wasn’t that long ago…….
I get your point but tbf a truck if far more useful and practical than a corvette. Way more room, accessories, towing, hauling, off roading, and longer range for road trips. The corvette and to that extent all supercar/hypercars are overpriced for the actual usability. That truck will do infinitely more useful things than a corvette ever could. Corvettes are good for racing and looking nice. That's their only function. For that price I'd get a truck any day of the week.
Remember when a gallon of milk was .05 cents? Easy there ya, geezer
IMO there's WAY too much emphasis being placed on 0-60 as a performance standard.
It's just one performance measure, I think it's just fine. Not the end all but something
Speed is definitely an important factor in how much fun is had
That's bcuz it's the only metric where EV's are usually better than ICE. TFL is preparing us for what's to come.
People saying it lost because of altitude. Weak excuse. The standard 3.5 eco would beat it as well and at sea level
Both are great trucks but if the Ford didn't have turbos it would be just a v6 motor with not much power. I really don't think we are comparing apples to apples here. I like the raw power of the Chevrolet V8.
Yeah I'm not a fan of the eco-junk either.
It has a lot of issues that people like to ignore.
They act like it's such an amazing engine... it's not.
Coyote 5.0 vs that monster 6.2! 😎👍
The 3.5 is statistically more reliable than any GM 5.3 or 6.2 truck engine made after 2007.
@@daniels2761 keep believing that bs
Thank you for bringing us real numbers on these trucks!
You are most welcome.
Love the series, would love to see a roll-race portion added to the quarter mile. This would eliminate any advantage a vehicle might have from a dig and even out the results a bit.
Did GM lock the ECU like they did on the SUVs? I think with better gears and some tuning it's gonna walk away from the raptor.
Not a fair comparison at all. Bring them both to sea level and re test. It will be much closer. Turbo vs. N/A is never fair at altitude.
Who cares about 0 - 60. Why not include a Hellcat?
Raptor is better offroad too if you care about that. The ZR2 wheel travel is comparable to the last gen Tundra TRD Pro which is an ancient design.
16.4 1/4 mile!??? These high elevation drag races are ridiculous. New 6.2’s are in the high 13’s at sea level! 2.5 second difference in the quarter mile! Does nobody realize this massive difference that make pretty much all turbo vs NA drag races on tfl completely worthless.
You don’t have to watch.
@@brentvance3958 the disinformation to the public is what bothers me. Look at all the comments from people that think the zr2 is underpowered and needs a supercharger to compete with the raptor because they don’t realize how absurd a 16.4 1/4 mile is for that truck. My stock 1997 tahoe ran high 16’s.
Which truck would be better in the long-term?
I don’t even have to watch this to know how it turned out
I went to look at a Silverado ZR2 earlier this week, buddy said to hurry. $67K? Dealer found someone to pay $87k. Crazy! SMH...lol
I am impressed that the ZR2 was not to far behind considering that it does not have a high output engine/motor. That was decent.
Are you serious, 6.2 v8 vs 3.5 v6, mind you the chevy has almost double the displacement, and your blaming it on the 6.2 not being h.o!
what are you talking about. it got smoked.
Blah, blah, blah. It did good all considered. Now, if the ZR2 had a supercharged variant it would of completely destroyed thr raptor.
This is a huge difference in 1/4, it got smoked bad.
Are you kidding its 6.2 liters .it's twice the size with 2 more cylinders. I would be pissed if I could not beat a v6 .😆
The gear ratio on the Raptor is definitely a plus! The ZR2 is under powered and way under geared. The ZR2 is more Daily Driver friendly in my opinion.
It’s N/A engine VS twin turbo engine a mile above sea level
I respect the twin turbo output, but man, the sound of that V8 wins for driving everyday. Can't remember last time I needed to drag race a Raptor.
Pointless comparison at 1 mile of elevation. Chevy is going to lose 70-80 hp over sea level and the Raptor won't lose nearly as much thanks to the turbos compensating. Raptor is probably faster at sea level anyway, but it would at least be a race.
Yeah, pointless. Everyone knows the power of your truck only matters at sea level. No one ever tows up and down mountains at elevation where they might care which half ton truck has more power to the pavement.
@@CortMarshal yeah Pointless. N/a vs forced induction.
Unless of course one lives at that elevation, then it would be pointless to run them at sea level. A dude living at elevation could care less what they do anywhere else.
@@charliedee9276 Plus the fact that what they do anywhere else won't change the result of the Raptor winning.
@@charliedee9276 Reallly? The point of a drag race is to figure out who's going to win. The Raptor win was a foregone conclusion. Thus the test was pointless. This isn't hard people. Simple math. Plus vehicles are rated at standard atmospheric pressure (i.e near sea level, which is where most people live - 75% under 1500 ft). You can easily figure out how much power an NA vehicle will lose at elevation. Would you have expected any other result between a 450 hp truck and a 340 hp truck of similar weights? Of course not, but that's exactly what this comparison was about. Again, pointless.
The Raptor remains the undisputed king.
Ford is just killing it 👍
TRX
@@daytona3927
Not exactly. 0-60 is as good as it gets. Everything else, the Raptor is the best and most proven platform for years.
I would like to see a comparison between the ZR2, and the F-150 Tremor.
To the “they need to race at sea level to be fair” folks. Considering very few people live at sea level and quite a few states average elevation is around 2K feet above sea level or more I don’t plan on driving to California to race someone because I have turbos.
The only change is the gap won't be quite as big but the raptors still will beat it
The Chevy fanboys are sad so they're finding excuses to cope
It's a healthy balance. Fords gotta worry about turbo components in the future. Chevys gotta worry about throwing a rod.
I get it...but only a very small percentage of people (I'd argue far less than the people than live near sea level) operate vehicles on a daily basis at an elevation of 6000 feet or higher. I think that is why they bring this up.
Well to be fair I think over 1/3 of the US lives near the coast (something like 125 million people). Not saying we need to cater to those, just that a lot of people live near there.
Its funny because the Zr2 has a v8 thats weighs more than a v6 but the Raptor as a whole weighs more than the ZR2 therefore Ford can easily put a v8 in the raptor and weight wouldn’t be an issue. All they have to do is make their truck a little lighter.
Yeah the ZR2 is a little slower but it's also 20k cheaper, the ZR2 is the better truck when you look at value. There's no way that guy paid sticker for a Raptor, every dealer marks them up by at least 10k.
He could have bought last year.
I ordered my raptor and was about 6k below MSRP
The rear end difference also change the fuel economy. The Chevy SHOULD get better gas mileage with the smaller rear axle.
I hear 6.2 this and 6.2 that but this right here says it all boys. The 3.5 eb is an animal and efficient when needed. Also when you hotlap a twin turbo beast and stock intercooler your iat's rise and it pulls timing in the ecu
That ZR2 Definitely Needed A Sport Mode For A Drag Race.
They should have just released it as a new ss model....
@@brettscott3759 l Hopefully For Next Year.
ZR2 doesnt have a sport mode at all?
@@Hunter-nb5bj No Because That Chevy Company Needs To Put It There!!!!
@@Hunter-nb5bj I had a blazer zr2 and it wasn't about fast it was about messing with jeeps and I rolled that suckered and drove it home legally now its the deer lease car... the raptor came from Baja the zr2 came from the Rubicon... I bet that Chevy could beat it up a rocky steep hill with out a fuss... the raptor need the high side of the turbo for power not a large displacement N/A engine....
DRAG RACE OFF ROAD WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE
Yea that's a good idea! Raptor would smoke the ZR2 but against Tremor... That would be fun!
Currently have a 21 Trail boss 6.2 and have a zr2 on order. Probably be the last new gm I ever buy since they are going into the lame ev market.
Personally, I really like the ZR2, but I'm a GM fanboy. I like the TRX, but I just couldn't justify it over ZR2 with extra fuel, most likely insurance as a lot more power mean higher premium. And Raptor has been cool since it first came out, but to me, it's had it's chance to shine.
GM products are garbage
Yea i can’t see why ur fanboying over this truck it just isn’t that special
Have you blown a radiator and a collapsed lifter yet?
@@ttamcc.4674 I'm a GM fanboy in general. The T1 platform specifically for me as I got to do some work on it when I was co-oping at a supplier for them and it was my first prototype project, and I still think the biggest prototype project I have been part of. And yeah, the ZR2 doesn't seem special since it only has the standard 6.2, but it is the only half ton with a front locker, they didn't do a wide body, so it can go through tighter trails than a Raptor or TRX, and honestly, on a trail, you don't need the extra power, that's how a Suzuki Samurai or Jimny is so capable, small, light weight and just enough power. And GM only gave it 33s, but you can put on 35s easily, you just have to take it upon yourself to change it. 37s though they look cool and big tires do make big rocks seem smaller, hurt your fuel economy, acceleration, add stress to all the drive line components, and your suspension, and all that just makes it harder to live with unless your house is at the end of the trail, just doesn't seem worth it.
@@ttamcc.4674 - I’m not a GM fanboy, but I’d take a naturally aspirated LT engine over that EcoBoost any day, unless I lived and towed at high elevations, which I don’t.
First I Love my F150, but I have to admit the ZR2 looks really really good, might not be the desert runner the Ford is, might not be drag racer the Raptor is, but dang it sure is a pretty truck. I’d still get the Ford, like having a truck the body ain’t falling off of before I get it paid for(salt and steel), but I really like the Chevy’s good looks, I’m not sure what I saw it on but remember the hyena concept Silverado, where is it? Also Thanks to the young man sharing his baby with TFL and us fans, loved seeing how much he loves his incredible Race Red Raptor.
I agree the Chevy is a good looking truck except for the front. The front of the truck is hideous. 🤮
@@843OutdoorsSC agreed
... chevys love to blow up radiators
@youtubecantsaveallthesnowflakes I agree 💯
I am a Ford Truck guy but there is no surprise the turbo would do much better in any situation but at a mile above sea level the N/A never had a chance. No way.
I do like the closing touch of adding the trucks owner in the video now
My gmc is considerably slower when I brake torque it.
Which model
@@ahmedalqallaf7436 Denali 6.2
Still take the Chevy!
Just say you own a garbage chevy , you don't have any excuse for that and the people who prefer a Chevy over raptor are the biggest handicapped boomers on this planet
I’m pushing almost 5.0 seconds in my gen 3 stock raptor 0-60. That mile above sea must really take a toll. 😊
Would've been nice to see the old 454 with a decent sized turbo on it, or even a blower.
I'm impressed by how you dealt with the wind noise, good job. Must have been a pain.
Voice over maybe
ZR2 win
I’ve been saying it for the longest….they are a mile above sea level. Also need to get the stock performance package which adds about 15 lbs of torque and horse power for 10-15k less. The Borla exhaust sounds beautiful even better than the v8 Tundra trd pro.
The difference in the rear end gear ratios is huge. That's where the time differences are.
So the zr2 Silverado is as fast.. or as slow as my 22 ford ranger. Good to know
Boosted will always win! Your test should have been both an N/A powerplant from Ford and chey. Pretty fun to watch. Keep up the good content!
Raptor only comes with the twin turbo v6! Lol comparing a regular f150 with a coyote to the zr2 misses the point. Zr2 is trying to compete with the raptor and trx .
I agree, but Ford doesn't really have a V8 Raptor anyway.
What I would love to see is long term.
Will the ZR2 outlive the V6 Turbo.
Generally turbo engines don't live as long as a N/A, and I believe that's where the ZR2 will shine.
@@bloodtearssweat1373 lol have you not see the issues with the 5.3 & 6.2 Chevy engines currently?
Rockers shit themselves, and rods bending at under 5k-10k miles
I'm a Chevy fan but it's just the facts
@@hambone7564 yeah it sounds pretty common.
No replacement for displacement
The redeeming factor is the Chevy might be running after the turbo goes out or the motor doesn't circulate the oil to both sides of the engine.
Sadly not if the Chevy has the displacement on demand active fuel management garbage.
Turbos are a lot more reliable these days....you're living in the past.
Ecoboost more than proven itself over the years! I've seen way more GM (Garbage Motors) fail over my 20 yr plus career as mechanic. Zr2 is absolute joke at that price!
No surprise, but am surprised the lifters didn’t blow through the hood on the Chevy.
Need to have a drag race between the zr2 and the f-150 tremor as well as offroad and ike challenge too
Tremor Has the same HP as the raptor
@@ocrapo9327 the raptor has 50 more HP and 10 more lb feet of torque
@@ocrapo9327 - What Gregory said … Tremor has 400 hp …
Chevy is so far behind the game in all their vehicles.
ford guy here…but the corvette? way ahead…they are gonna own the market with the z06
@@nafsucof as a Ford guy myself I was gonna say the same.
There isn’t anything close to the corvette for what it is.
@@nafsucof The corvette is awesome
@@nafsucof 100 agree. the corvette is the only vehicle that they have that ahead of the game . Now with rumors circulating about ford bringing back the thunderbird name and making a legit 2 seater corvette fighter. Hopefully it's a serious machine and not a flop like the last one
@@nafsucof Corvette and Camaro are good, but their truck and SUV technology is 7-8 years behind.
Can't believe GM is still using that crappy gear ratio in their offroad specific truck.
I stopped buying GM after 30 years after their 6 speed in 2011 took a poopooo @ 50k previous 05 GMC cracked cylinder heads @60k.
@@michaeldiamond76 Lol why do ppl keep buying GM..? They break down.
@@ocrapo9327 absolutely! I bought a FORD explorer sport, I never thought I would own a Ford but I love it.
I feel like at sea level this race would be much closer like they said the turbo helps the raptor a lot with not losing as much power as the ZR2 with the 6.2 now with that said I still wish Chevy put a motor with a little more HP in this truck.
Ya NA engines loose about 3% power every 1,000 ft elevation and forced induction engines loose about 1% every 2,500 ft of elevation. So you do the math kinda a boost biased environment.
I don’t waste my Time
F O R D MOTOR COMPANY
ALL THE WAY !
But this guys ROCK on Truck info !
I love the content. I would love to see you guys do some of these drag races with the Ford f150 lightning
That’s coming up soon!
@@TFLtruck I want you guys to know how important your videos are. I watched several hours of videos and a lot were yours before buying my used truck 2 years ago. I got a 2013 Ford f150 platinum. I exactly what I was looking for. In half ton pick-up was going to be the f150 with the 5.0. In 3/4 ton was not really what I wanted the gas engines had lacking results and the diesel engine made more sense in which case the ton pick-up had more capacity to tow and made more sense. If I had went to the ton the Ford and dodge impressed me with power and fuel efficiency but Chevy really seems to split the middle. So at that point it was really a toss up for which one was the cheapest and lowest mileage all three had advantages and disadvantages but watching your tests I knew all three would be able to meet my needs.
@@dannytravis7118 they don't care
In typical Chevy form let's not compete with the raptor or trx and give the customers what they really want. instead they pump out an escalade v with over 600 hp and charge 150k.
Exactly!!
Some engineering lady said we built the ZR2 from our voices of our customers what a crock!!!
They definitely never asked me what I wanted in a truck!!!
I’m sorry, with used 2021 Cadillac Escalade Sports currently selling for $150,000 what were they _supposed_ to charge for the Escalade V? What would you say that vehicle is worth? Isn’t the Navigator with a dumbed down version of this Raptor engine in the sub $120,000s?? 😂
Cadillac is GM’s luxury/performance brand, they are supposed to get exclusives that their standard brands do not. Ford doesn’t have a luxury performance brand. Lol. So stop comparing them tooth and nail. PLEASE.🤦🏽♂️
@@mybro727 first of all a vehicle is only worth what one is willing to pay.
Second Cadillacs are made with mostly china, Philippino and Mexico parts...
Launching the 6.2 on sport mode in 4auto from first gear, then shifting yourself is night and day difference then just launching in drive.
I’m impressed on how ford engines are very powerful like 5.0 and twin turbos my Chevy 5.3 on freeway get beat with just a 5.0. It’s crazy
All around GM has really been lagging behind.. Interior quality/features, Horsepower/torque output.. My how the mighty have fallen
I’ll still take the zr2
A fully aluminum truck with with twin turbo v6 motor sounds like you driving a car to me
A car that kicks the silverados ass in every way possible
@@daniels2761 Ford cheerleaders are out
Driving a garbage like Chevy is like a car only with no soul
Lol says a garbage motor cheerleader
Is anyone else surprised that GM didn’t tune or modify the engine for a slight hp increase on that base 6.2?
I want to see the rebel vs tremor vs zr2
ZR2 is on the B team with the TRD pro, tremor and Rebel GT.
Chevy fanboys coping hard in the comments 🤭
I am thinking that the more I look at that ZR2 the more I like it. Raptor is a bit too specialized for my taste. I mean really you give up so much in payload with the Raptor it makes it pretty much useless for truck stuff. Honestly the Tremor package on the F250 is a better deal. Who cares which one is faster in a drag race? They both have adequate power for real life stuff. It is fun to watch these videos though.
turbo engines are much less affected by high altitudes. I would be curious to try at sea level.