We leased our 2024 Mazda cx90phev and got a $7500 rebate from Mazda and $500 customer loyalty to give us a savings of $8000 off the price tag. We are enjoying all the new tech that it came with , we love it , our cx9 was very good also
our tax credit was only 1875cad. however, we were able to cut down 3100 off from the original price tag through negotiating, there was also a 1000 incentive at the time. plus we had loyalty.
Similarly, I leased a 2025 CX-70 PHEV Premium pkg. thru Mazda Financial Svcs and got them to match the $7,500 Fed & $5,350 State of CO incentives + $1,000 rebate for Mazda brand loyalty (coming from a ‘15 CX-5 Sport) + $500 Mazda FS rebate = total retail price discount of $14,350! My $56,300-w/delivery vehicle wound up < $42K out the door, which is phenomenal for a midsize crossover competing with the more expensive Acura MDX and Lexus RX plug-in hybrid, as well as (arguably) the vastly more costly BMW X5 xDrive45/50e.
BIG Thanks for this video. I bought my 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SEL Premium 3 weeks ago for $49,000 (U.S.) -- this CX90 review verified that I bought the perfect vehicle for me. All the negatives you mentioned about the Mazda CX90 are countered by positives in the Outlander. Bigger EV range -- I am actually getting EV 42 mpg in the city every day. I agree with Andrea -- I keep it in EV mode for city driving; switch to Normal for highway. Outlander seats are VERY comfortable, I got 360 view camera, power folding mirrors, panoramic roof and all the other luxury features for $7k less than the CX90 MSRP. Lastly, the Outlander is not TOO long -- fits into my garage with room to spare. Maybe the CX70 would be a good choice later this year, but the EV range will need to improve over the CX90 to make it a consideration. RAV4 Prime may be an alternative, but not with the current $12,000 "dealer adjustment" added to the MSRP. LASTLY, I have watched ALL your PHEV SUV videos for the past 12 months. You gave me confidence when I got the great deal on the Outlander that I was making a good decision. You two are the best -- I have you in "Subscriber" mode :>)
A great chassis, longitudinal layout, and what I'm shocked more people aren't talking about - a regular geared transmission in a PHEV!! Mazda are incredibly underappreciated for their efforts in making normal pedestrian cars that still care about the driving experience. The electric motor is also before the transmission, so in hybrid or boost mode it is in sync with the engine and legitimately sounds like a loud supercharger. Look up 0-60s of this or the CX-60 PHEV, it sounds incredible!
My CX-70 PHEV Premium does 0-60 (utilizing the Sport mode) in ~6 sec. flat. Having the slight weight penalty of the 3rd row of seats, I’d just guess a CX-90 is probably ~0.1-0.2 sec. slower, if even that. The instant 199 lb-ft. of torque of the 68kW electric motor, peaking @400-that’s right, 4 hundred rpm-in both PHEV models is felt-and really appreciated!
7:30 I definitely prefer a mechanical shifter but this shifter appears to function pretty well for an electronic shifter. It's much more intuitive than the dangerous mono-stable shifters and I like how you actually shift into park instead of pressing a separate button. Also, it looks like shifting between drive and reverse, say when doing a 3-point turn, is quick and intuitive. I give it a 9/10.
It was an outstanding idea to present the PHEV and Turbo in separate video's. Great info. If Mazda would offer a bench seat in all trims and can actually deliver product they could outsell Highlander hybrid.
@@andreaspencer9813 Absolutely spectacular. Does Mazda offer any of the drivers assistance programing that is available in the Pathfinder or Highlander?
I test drove gas version and it does not have lane centering assist like Honda, Toyota, and many others. Lumbar support on driver was meant for a 5’0” person. I’m 6’0” and lumbar support hit me at top of waist so very uncomfortable. That’s a show stopper for me although I love the PHEV concept in a 3 row suv.
Refreshing to see a different review on PHEV, even though I would choose the sweet inline6 even without taxpayer's rebate. Its great to see Mazda adapts Toyota's proven PHEV technology on its newest product. Cause its reliable and makes the most senses, especially for those who only commute city traffic, which doesn't need to engage the gas engine.
I've been a Mazda fan since the days of the RX-8 and first gen Mazda3 and 6. While I'm still impressed with the CX-90, particularly the new inline-6 and rear-biased AWD, I am concerned that they're starting to become less unique. Mazda is now joining in on the race to ever-larger screens, although I give them respect for keeping some physical controls. I'm not a fan of the flashy digital gauges that everyone seems to be employing these days. I drive a 2016 Mazda3 so I'm well familiar with the sound of the 2.5L engine. For a four-cylinder, it sounds pretty good, so I don't know why Mazda feels the need to add fake engine noise, again just copying what everyone else is doing.
I actually missed this video Andrea, how could I. What a giant but stylish car as expected from Mazda. Has everything you'd expect from a Mazda model plus a whole lot more!
Beautiful vehicle! I just wish the touchscreen build into the dashboard. But other than that it’s beautiful interior. I love a quiet cabin. Thanks for sharing Andrea! 👍🏻👍🏻
Default modę of the dashboard screen is that it is not a touchscreen, BUT (and it's a bit fiddly to switch on) once you have iPhone paired properly (cannot speak for 'droid) you can go into settings and enable touchscreen in CarPlay mode whilst in motion. I've done this on my CX-60 PHEV. Does nothing for the built in Mazda apps but - based on a couple of months experience - they did a great job with providing physical buttons for the stuff you need and the overall interface using the dial etc - not to mention the voice recognition is excellent.
Trying the decide between the mild-hybrid Inline 6 mild vs the PHEV. I'd prefer the PHEV but it depends on how smoothly it transitions back and forth between EV & ICE.
FWIW, I took delivery of a Hyundai Tucson PHEV about two weeks ago, after a 16 month wait (I was told to expect a 6 month wait). It's very nice and works as advertised, but for me the plug-in aspect was not worth the many extra months of waiting time. If there is a comparable delay for the Mazda PHEV, the inline 6 might be the way to go. You could enjoy it sooner.
It's pretty hard to tell how it transitions from just a video. Don't get me wrong, Motormouth does a great job describing things to us, but this is something you'll have to test drive and find out yourself.
I like the option for a light interior. Far too many manufacturers have only dark options or orange options for their interiors and that is a deal breaker for me. I recall getting in one at a dealership on a bright sunny day and the interior was such a dark black it swallowed up all the light and you could not even see your legs or hands it seemed. It was a bizarre experience. I live in a hot southern state where the temperature gage on the car is over a 100 degrees when you return to it and the interior feels like 120 degrees. I think Ford especially needs to consider more light interior options.
You appear to be showing interiors from both the mild hybrid 6 cyl models and the PHEV. I notice that sometimes the panels on the doors and shifter console are the maple wood (my preference) or a patterned metal looking surround. In Canada I have the top trim CX-90 PHEV GT on order with the "Pure White Nappa Leather" (a $200 option) and I wondered if that comes with the maple wood or not?
The car you were sitting in doesn't have a 2nd row console, but lots of the b-roll shows it there. Is it really something you can add in after the fact? Do those captain chair arm rests come off easily?
I was considering buying CX90 PHEV but just 42 Km electric range is not enough for my daily driving. Also top trim just comes with Second row Captain Chair, i prefer to have bench seats. Because of these two points i am considering to go for Mitsubishi Outlander which has 61 Km electric range and comes with bench seat for second row. Or should i go with Grand Highlander which has hybrid and also comes with bench seat with XLE and Limited trim. What's your suggestion.
Love Mazda. I have had two Mazda 3s...awesome cars. Currently in a 2023 Genesis GV70 Prestige, but next vehicle in 4 yrs has to be PHEV. Was so looking forward to the CX90. Nice vehicle, but the 42kms range is a deal breaker. What are you thinking Mazda? If that doesn't improve, Mazda is off my list.
I am definitely impressed, especially as a PHEV option. However… I, personally, think it’d be that much better with Mazda’s in-line six. Ideally without those cheapish looking ‘in-line’ badges on it’s sides. Thanks for the video.
Hi, thank you for your great reviews! Are you able to list or do a video review of Toyota Highlander Hybrid vs Mazda CX-90 PHEV? I want to see the differences and hear your opinion on it. Thank you very much in advance!
Great Video! was thinking of trading our 2022 Explorer for a PHEV and this might be just right for our family. Our 2012 Nissan leaf with 60 km range left is still perfect for our daily short trips.
after 1 year ownership of the RAV4 Prime SE I am considering this as replacement, I did ordered a Outlander PHEV last year but didn't find that one as attractive compare to my RAV4 Prime, so I ordered a CX90 PHEV GT meanwhile, to be delivered around june, hope you can make a comparison video between those two
@@jjchockey also less range, heard that the transition between EV mode and Gas isnt as smooth as Toyota's E-CVT, neither does allow pure EV mode in all condition like highway
@@rcl998 yes the RAV4 is “better” if you want an effiecnt appliance to get you from point a to b. The CX90 is a significantly nicer vehicle to be in and drive.
The PHEV costs $ 8,478 (with tax) more than the inline 6 and can only go 25 miles on electric. The inline 6 has a combined 25 mpg so the most the PHEV will save you is 1 gallon of gas per day. Divide $8,478 by your price per gallon and that is how many days you would have to drive to just break even, not considering the cost of battery replacement sometime after 100K miles. For may area that is 2,826 driving days or 9.05 years if you drive 6 days a week. Can someone explain why Mazda thought this PHEV was a good idea?
This is a huge vehicle but for some reason its interior volume of 74 cubic feet behind first row is smaller than 76 cubic feet that the Kia Sorento PHEV offers. Sorento (which I am driving) is a much shorter vehicle, why?
Something that hardly gets touched on in reviews, including yours, is the performance under electric power only. Some PHEV's have pathetically small electric motors. I want something I can daily drive under pure battery power and not be a slug. The CX 90 seems to have more than others but how does that translate into driveability? Personally, I would like to see a full 350 electric HP with an onboard gas generator to keep things rolling on longer trips (Think VOLT), ditch the complicated heavy transmission and mechanical drivetrain. Might lack the zoom zoom factor without the primal roar of a typical ICE driven drive train but I think the PHEV market is probably over that, ready to embrace the quiet luxury of electric cars but not willing to fully commit to a full BEV.
For sure, Outlander, in reliability and best all wheel drive system SAWC with over 60km to 80 km electric range with top speed of 120km/hr in Electric speed.
so, PHEV or the i6? are a few bonus mpg with a smaller i4 2.5T from a smaller CX9 worth it? Or fuhgeddaboudit and go with the i6 - the engine the car was built for?
Great Videos, watched both the cx-90 ones. One big question, if most of the drive is at 80 km/hr. Does it make a difference in terms of fuel saving to get the PHEV? Never own a PHEV so not sure if at 80 km/hr the car can still use EV mode. Big Thanks from Manitoba!
Same drive train as the CX-60 PHEV in Europe (but much longer and a bit wider). CX-60 PHEV is OK to stay in EV mode up to 100km/hr so it should be the same.
Why not get the Mitsubishi Outlander, pioneer in PHEV, reliability, best in all wheel drive system SAWC and top speed of 70mph or 120km/hr in pure electric drive over 61 km just to let you know!
Smallest and youngest in the third row is such a weird challenge, because it's such a small window between "big enough to be out of a booster" and "now they're a full-sized teenager."
This is so much expensive than the Outlander PHEV and with smaller range, I'm not sure if anyone is actually buying this in the PHEV configuration. I think most people would go with the inline 6.
Guys, I love the reviews of these different cx90s but am a little concerned about the reliability, especially of the phev. I'm not sure of the reliability of PHEVs in general. There hasn't been enough time gone by to really gauge their longevity and issues. I like the ability to save gas, but I fear the plugin would be more prone to problems and more expensive to repair than the inline 6. I plan on buying and keeping. I am not a leaser. I have drooled over many vehicles because of performance and refinement but never bit because of fear of poor reliability. I am a Lexus GS owner. I would like to get an SUV. I love the looks and performance of the genesis gv70 but am afraid of it as well. I am hoping to go for the CX-70 when it comes out.
These are all new powertrains for Mazda so only time will tell if there are any issues. They certainly have a good track record with their 2.5L 4-cylinder turbo and non-turbo, but there is a lot of new for Mazda right now.
There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy. The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country. That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon. That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
Love my Mazda but why can't they give us a button to turn off the radio? The button on the console controls the volume and can mute the radio. But next time you start the car, the radio comes blaring on! If you press and hold the button, the entire infotainment system turns off. You don't even get the clock. With all the nice touches Mazda provides, why can't they offer an Off button?
@@kevinW826 re-read my post. I don't want the radio to come on the next time I start my car, which is what happens when you use the mute button, as I stated.
@@hoosiermama3001 and all cars have a knob to turn the radio down or mute it. Just push down on it. If you want to keep the radio off, buy a fifteen year old car with a power button and quit your whining
@@hoosiermama3001 ok Karen. There was no need to bring an individuals sex into this. But once again, someone states an opinion, and some purple haired overly sensitive person is all up in arms. 👍👍👍👍👍
Hey guys. One thing I want to have clear, Once you use up the charge, are you riding only with the 2.5L engine without no help from the electric motor?
The EV mode switches to ICE at 20% battery. If needed after that, the electric motor will add power but you will be depleting the battery below 20% and that effects lithium battery life. How seamless is it with less than 20% battery when the ICE is charging the battery and then you need EV power so the motor generator switches to a motor again?
Elsewhere in the industry, are PHEVs difficult/expensive to maintain once they're past the warranty period? Trying to predict how costly this vehicle will be once it's out of warranty. Thx.
In my opinion, with the complexity of this and similar vehicles, if you plan on keeping it a long time an extended warranty would be a wise purchase. Again, JMHO…..
Pacifica PHEV is a good alternative to this as well, for people with an open mind. If you want a PHEV that can carry lots of people and lots of stuff all at once, you can't beat it.
I don't think I'll ever go back to Chrysler/Stellantis after so many reliability issues. Our family has had a Pacifica and a Town & Country with big issues.
They traded the beautiful aerodynamic shape of the CX9 for this roomy but boxy CX90. It is a bit risky to spend that much on a unproven drivetrain. They should have adopted the well-proven one from Highlander instead.
Annoying that android auto is only in the top trim. You can get this in the bottom trim CX50, so they really should have kept this consistent. Of course in Canada, we get the short straw on this.
The Grand Highlander is going to be bigger than this. The CX-90 has about the same passenger space as the Highlander but a little more 3rd row legroom.
oh god... I hate Kia and Mazda for making the captain chairs the only option for the second row... I want to have the bench in the second row and use the 3rd row only occasionally...
@@Chu_on_it that’s more than ok. It means there’s less crap to go wrong when the warranty has expired. I don’t want a panoramic sunroof, digital dashboard, leather seats, 20” wheels, a massive 15” iPad in the centre stack where every physical button is a touch sensitive POS. Spending more time trying to figure out if you have readjusted the temp or changed radio stations or if the seat heater is on is more of a distraction because you end up have taken your eyes off the road, whereas physical buttons you have that muscle memory and feel so you know exactly which buttons your pushing. Plus why would anyone in their right mind by the first model year of a brand new car when all the bugs have not been worked out? You are essentially the test subject. Last year on the mazda24/7 forum, there was a gentleman from the Neatherlands who had documented all of the problems he had with his PHEV CX-60 which will be our CX-70 here in North America. He had the digital dashboard fail, the AC blower motor fail, the battery pack failed, the TPMS failed, the regenerative brake system had to be reprogrammed, he had so many electrical issues in the first six months of ownership between September of 2021 and March of last year he actually thought of getting rid of it, but he was a glutton for punishment and as far as I know, he still has it with all of its problems. So no, I don’t want all of the extras because they just add to problems down the line. I will give you an example. Two years ago, the power seat adjuster motor on my 2015 mazda3 failed. The Mazda dealership wanted $2000 for the entire seat frame because they designed it so that the motor is built into the frame. $1200 for a used motor but it didn’t come with any warranty or guarantee that it would last more than six months. I can only imagine what the cost will be of half of this new tech crap in these higher trim vehicles when they fail two or three years outside of the warranty period.
I'll be honest. I was really excited about this car but am disappointed now that it is out. Why? Because it can only be had with six seats in the top trim (with a giant rear console that blocks third row access), and has some of the worst in class cargo room and third row space despite being more than 200 inches long. I really wish you could get a bench second row in top trims as someone with three kids who often wants to put three across and maximize cargo space. I don't know how Mazda could package a car so poorly. I love the looks and the powertrain but as a family car it fails to match the class leaders at the things that matter most to big families.
@@andreaspencer9813 I think what Ak Here meant was which version of the CX-90 you would pick? The PHEV or inline-6 version? Judging by your facial expressions, I think you would pick the inline-6 version. 😊
@@paulira7407 I really love the Inline 6 plus the fuel economy for this model is pretty good considering all that power. Plus you can use regular fuel and it doesn't affect the torque number. Sweet!
@@andreaspencer9813 thanks for the input. I’m a 2021 Rav4 Prime owner and I was debating selling my Prime for either the high-output inline-6 or the PHEV model. For me, I think the biggest deciding factor will be the final EV range of the CX-70. If it’s like the CX-90 and under 28 miles, I think I will go with the more spirited driving engagement engine in the inline-6. That’s just not enough range for me to justify picking that over the inline-6. If the final EV range was at least 38 miles, it would be a tough decision since 40 miles total is at the moment enough for my daily commuting needs.
only mazda can lengthen the wheelbase and overall and add no more room, made room to make the hood longer??? I do not get it, is there people who insist on straight 6 - not in america, maybe why a new NA president
I kinda don't understand whey people are complaining about physical buttons for climate control. I mean besides heated/ventilated seats, I set it at 21C and never touch it again.... or maybe it's just me.
I know lots of people who don’t find the auto climate control to be effective. And in colder climates with inclement weather, there are times where you have no choice but to adjust the climate settings while on the move.
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Love that Mazda is taking a stand and keeping physical controls for HVAC
It sure makes things easier to find....
Same with Honda
We leased our 2024 Mazda cx90phev and got a $7500 rebate from Mazda and $500 customer loyalty to give us a savings of $8000 off the price tag. We are enjoying all the new tech that it came with , we love it , our cx9 was very good also
our tax credit was only 1875cad. however, we were able to cut down 3100 off from the original price tag through negotiating, there was also a 1000 incentive at the time. plus we had loyalty.
Sounds like you did well congratulations and enjoy
Similarly, I leased a 2025 CX-70 PHEV Premium pkg. thru Mazda Financial Svcs and got them to match the $7,500 Fed & $5,350 State of CO incentives + $1,000 rebate for Mazda brand loyalty (coming from a ‘15 CX-5 Sport) + $500 Mazda FS rebate = total retail price discount of $14,350! My $56,300-w/delivery vehicle wound up < $42K out the door, which is phenomenal for a midsize crossover competing with the more expensive Acura MDX and Lexus RX plug-in hybrid, as well as (arguably) the vastly more costly BMW X5 xDrive45/50e.
BIG Thanks for this video. I bought my 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV SEL Premium 3 weeks ago for $49,000 (U.S.) -- this CX90 review verified that I bought the perfect vehicle for me. All the negatives you mentioned about the Mazda CX90 are countered by positives in the Outlander. Bigger EV range -- I am actually getting EV 42 mpg in the city every day. I agree with Andrea -- I keep it in EV mode for city driving; switch to Normal for highway. Outlander seats are VERY comfortable, I got 360 view camera, power folding mirrors, panoramic roof and all the other luxury features for $7k less than the CX90 MSRP. Lastly, the Outlander is not TOO long -- fits into my garage with room to spare. Maybe the CX70 would be a good choice later this year, but the EV range will need to improve over the CX90 to make it a consideration. RAV4 Prime may be an alternative, but not with the current $12,000 "dealer adjustment" added to the MSRP. LASTLY, I have watched ALL your PHEV SUV videos for the past 12 months. You gave me confidence when I got the great deal on the Outlander that I was making a good decision. You two are the best -- I have you in "Subscriber" mode :>)
Thank you for mentioning hip and shoulder room and no one else mentions this, you also show good visuals on this matter, good stuff 👍🏼👌🏼
Thank you so much!
A great chassis, longitudinal layout, and what I'm shocked more people aren't talking about - a regular geared transmission in a PHEV!! Mazda are incredibly underappreciated for their efforts in making normal pedestrian cars that still care about the driving experience. The electric motor is also before the transmission, so in hybrid or boost mode it is in sync with the engine and legitimately sounds like a loud supercharger. Look up 0-60s of this or the CX-60 PHEV, it sounds incredible!
My CX-70 PHEV Premium does 0-60 (utilizing the Sport mode) in ~6 sec. flat. Having the slight weight penalty of the 3rd row of seats, I’d just guess a CX-90 is probably ~0.1-0.2 sec. slower, if even that. The instant 199 lb-ft. of torque of the 68kW electric motor, peaking @400-that’s right, 4 hundred rpm-in both PHEV models is felt-and really appreciated!
7:30 I definitely prefer a mechanical shifter but this shifter appears to function pretty well for an electronic shifter. It's much more intuitive than the dangerous mono-stable shifters and I like how you actually shift into park instead of pressing a separate button. Also, it looks like shifting between drive and reverse, say when doing a 3-point turn, is quick and intuitive. I give it a 9/10.
It was an outstanding idea to present the PHEV and Turbo in separate video's. Great info. If Mazda would offer a bench seat in all trims and can actually deliver product they could outsell Highlander hybrid.
There was just so much information and different trims for each model, we thought it would be best to do two videos. Glad you enjoyed them!
@@andreaspencer9813 Absolutely spectacular. Does Mazda offer any of the drivers assistance programing that is available in the Pathfinder or Highlander?
@@andreaspencer9813 good decision
I test drove gas version and it does not have lane centering assist like Honda, Toyota, and many others.
Lumbar support on driver was meant for a 5’0” person. I’m 6’0” and lumbar support hit me at top of waist so very uncomfortable. That’s a show stopper for me although I love the PHEV concept in a 3 row suv.
Refreshing to see a different review on PHEV, even though I would choose the sweet inline6 even without taxpayer's rebate. Its great to see Mazda adapts Toyota's proven PHEV technology on its newest product. Cause its reliable and makes the most senses, especially for those who only commute city traffic, which doesn't need to engage the gas engine.
I've been a Mazda fan since the days of the RX-8 and first gen Mazda3 and 6. While I'm still impressed with the CX-90, particularly the new inline-6 and rear-biased AWD, I am concerned that they're starting to become less unique. Mazda is now joining in on the race to ever-larger screens, although I give them respect for keeping some physical controls. I'm not a fan of the flashy digital gauges that everyone seems to be employing these days. I drive a 2016 Mazda3 so I'm well familiar with the sound of the 2.5L engine. For a four-cylinder, it sounds pretty good, so I don't know why Mazda feels the need to add fake engine noise, again just copying what everyone else is doing.
I actually missed this video Andrea, how could I. What a giant but stylish car as expected from Mazda. Has everything you'd expect from a Mazda model plus a whole lot more!
It sure does, it's a great choice, nice to see Mazda with a PHEV.
@@andreaspencer9813 Absolutely Andrea, lovely car from all angles.
Beautiful vehicle! I just wish the touchscreen build into the dashboard. But other than that it’s beautiful interior. I love a quiet cabin. Thanks for sharing Andrea! 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for watching, it's nice to see Mazda with a plug-in hybrid.
@@andreaspencer9813 I agree! But I was hoping they will build with the full time hybrid.
Default modę of the dashboard screen is that it is not a touchscreen, BUT (and it's a bit fiddly to switch on) once you have iPhone paired properly (cannot speak for 'droid) you can go into settings and enable touchscreen in CarPlay mode whilst in motion. I've done this on my CX-60 PHEV. Does nothing for the built in Mazda apps but - based on a couple of months experience - they did a great job with providing physical buttons for the stuff you need and the overall interface using the dial etc - not to mention the voice recognition is excellent.
Trying the decide between the mild-hybrid Inline 6 mild vs the PHEV.
I'd prefer the PHEV but it depends on how smoothly it transitions back and forth between EV & ICE.
FWIW, I took delivery of a Hyundai Tucson PHEV about two weeks ago, after a 16 month wait (I was told to expect a 6 month wait). It's very nice and works as advertised, but for me the plug-in aspect was not worth the many extra months of waiting time. If there is a comparable delay for the Mazda PHEV, the inline 6 might be the way to go. You could enjoy it sooner.
It's pretty hard to tell how it transitions from just a video. Don't get me wrong, Motormouth does a great job describing things to us, but this is something you'll have to test drive and find out yourself.
CX-90, / PHEV, Baby's Got Back 😊😎
I like the option for a light interior. Far too many manufacturers have only dark options or orange options for their interiors and that is a deal breaker for me. I recall getting in one at a dealership on a bright sunny day and the interior was such a dark black it swallowed up all the light and you could not even see your legs or hands it seemed. It was a bizarre experience. I live in a hot southern state where the temperature gage on the car is over a 100 degrees when you return to it and the interior feels like 120 degrees. I think Ford especially needs to consider more light interior options.
Great review as always, Zack @1:44 you said XC-90 😃
My bad
You appear to be showing interiors from both the mild hybrid 6 cyl models and the PHEV. I notice that sometimes the panels on the doors and shifter console are the maple wood (my preference) or a patterned metal looking surround. In Canada I have the top trim CX-90 PHEV GT on order with the "Pure White Nappa Leather" (a $200 option) and I wondered if that comes with the maple wood or not?
As far as I understand, the top trim PHEV with the white Nappa leather comes with the wood trim. The black interior has the patterned metal.
The car you were sitting in doesn't have a 2nd row console, but lots of the b-roll shows it there. Is it really something you can add in after the fact? Do those captain chair arm rests come off easily?
I was considering buying CX90 PHEV but just 42 Km electric range is not enough for my daily driving. Also top trim just comes with Second row Captain Chair, i prefer to have bench seats. Because of these two points i am considering to go for Mitsubishi Outlander which has 61 Km electric range and comes with bench seat for second row. Or should i go with Grand Highlander which has hybrid and also comes with bench seat with XLE and Limited trim. What's your suggestion.
Mitsu Outlander for sure because of pioneer in PHEV, reliability and best in all wheel drive system, SAWC
Love Mazda. I have had two Mazda 3s...awesome cars. Currently in a 2023 Genesis GV70 Prestige, but next vehicle in 4 yrs has to be PHEV. Was so looking forward to the CX90. Nice vehicle, but the 42kms range is a deal breaker. What are you thinking Mazda? If that doesn't improve, Mazda is off my list.
I am definitely impressed, especially as a PHEV option. However… I, personally, think it’d be that much better with Mazda’s in-line six. Ideally without those cheapish looking ‘in-line’ badges on it’s sides. Thanks for the video.
1:45 curious about that heat pump since I cant find this info on any mazda official info sheet
Mazda confirmed there is a heat pump. But you are right, it's not listed in the specs anywhere.
Hi, thank you for your great reviews! Are you able to list or do a video review of Toyota Highlander Hybrid vs Mazda CX-90 PHEV? I want to see the differences and hear your opinion on it. Thank you very much in advance!
Great Video! was thinking of trading our 2022 Explorer for a PHEV and this might be just right for our family. Our 2012 Nissan leaf with 60 km range left is still perfect for our daily short trips.
Thank you, glad you liked the video. This is a great option and it's nice to see Mazda with a plug-in hybrid.
Why not try the Mitsubishi Outlander, pioneer in PHEV, reliability and best all wheel drive system SAWC
@@gerardferry8810 unfortunately we need a usable 3rd row. We tried the outlander it was not possible for us.
I would love to switch from CX-9, but I need that extra seat on the higher trims.
I love your work and you do great review.
Great video...any word on the cx-70 Phev plug in? I'm really interested in that model
Mazda told the CX-70 will be here at the end of the year.
Very interesting! No where does it say if the Mazda CX 90 PHEV has electric air conditioning or a standard compressor belt driven AC?
Right near the beginning of the review, Zack mentions it's a heat pump.
after 1 year ownership of the RAV4 Prime SE I am considering this as replacement, I did ordered a Outlander PHEV last year but didn't find that one as attractive compare to my RAV4 Prime, so I ordered a CX90 PHEV GT meanwhile, to be delivered around june, hope you can make a comparison video between those two
What didn't you like in the Outlander PHEV compared to the RAV4 Prime?
@@nikolayrayanov2895 rav4 prime has better performance, quicker level 2 charging
Lol the CX90 is on a completely different level. Wayyy more premium and refined.
@@jjchockey also less range, heard that the transition between EV mode and Gas isnt as smooth as Toyota's E-CVT, neither does allow pure EV mode in all condition like highway
@@rcl998 yes the RAV4 is “better” if you want an effiecnt appliance to get you from point a to b. The CX90 is a significantly nicer vehicle to be in and drive.
Was wondering if the cloth like white dash board is easy to clean? Great video as always.
Wow love this car can't wait to get my hands on this baby and I am onto my 3rd CX9 GT. What's the KM average for the PHEV ?
How does the luxury/comfort/ride/quietness compare to an MDX?
Amazing car...nice video...
How does it compare to 2023 Telluride? is it bigger?
I love her accent on "mowzda"😆
Did Zack call it XC90 around 1:45?
Probably did, always mixing these up with Volvo names, very close...
So you didn’t tell us which you prefer the PhEV or the Inline 6 turbo??
My only complain is the 42km EV range. It’s barely enough for daily commute. I might need to stick with mild hybrid at this point of time.
Try Mitsubishi phev for 61km.
The PHEV costs $ 8,478 (with tax) more than the inline 6 and can only go 25 miles on electric. The inline 6 has a combined 25 mpg so the most the PHEV will save you is 1 gallon of gas per day. Divide $8,478 by your price per gallon and that is how many days you would have to drive to just break even, not considering the cost of battery replacement sometime after 100K miles. For may area that is 2,826 driving days or 9.05 years if you drive 6 days a week. Can someone explain why Mazda thought this PHEV was a good idea?
The phev qualifies for a $7500 EV rebate in the states currently :-)
Does 2024 Mazdas have Over-the-Air updates for software?
Hotspots?
This is a huge vehicle but for some reason its interior volume of 74 cubic feet behind first row is smaller than 76 cubic feet that the Kia Sorento PHEV offers. Sorento (which I am driving) is a much shorter vehicle, why?
Something that hardly gets touched on in reviews, including yours, is the performance under electric power only. Some PHEV's have pathetically small electric motors. I want something I can daily drive under pure battery power and not be a slug. The CX 90 seems to have more than others but how does that translate into driveability? Personally, I would like to see a full 350 electric HP with an onboard gas generator to keep things rolling on longer trips (Think VOLT), ditch the complicated heavy transmission and mechanical drivetrain. Might lack the zoom zoom factor without the primal roar of a typical ICE driven drive train but I think the PHEV market is probably over that, ready to embrace the quiet luxury of electric cars but not willing to fully commit to a full BEV.
At 1:44 you called it an XC90!
If you had to choose between Outlander PHEV and CX-90, what would you choose?
For sure, Outlander, in reliability and best all wheel drive system SAWC with over 60km to 80 km electric range with top speed of 120km/hr in Electric speed.
Does the top trim have adaptive headlights for Canada or do we lose features as we usually do?
looks good but not available in europe
I lover her MAAAAAzda pronunciation
1:44 zack says XC-90 😂 Masada was definitely going after Volvo with that name
so, PHEV or the i6? are a few bonus mpg with a smaller i4 2.5T from a smaller CX9 worth it? Or fuhgeddaboudit and go with the i6 - the engine the car was built for?
Great Videos, watched both the cx-90 ones. One big question, if most of the drive is at 80 km/hr. Does it make a difference in terms of fuel saving to get the PHEV? Never own a PHEV so not sure if at 80 km/hr the car can still use EV mode. Big Thanks from Manitoba!
Same drive train as the CX-60 PHEV in Europe (but much longer and a bit wider). CX-60 PHEV is OK to stay in EV mode up to 100km/hr so it should be the same.
@@ukgroucho Awesome! Thank you.
Why not get the Mitsubishi Outlander, pioneer in PHEV, reliability, best in all wheel drive system SAWC and top speed of 70mph or 120km/hr in pure electric drive over 61 km just to let you know!
Smallest and youngest in the third row is such a weird challenge, because it's such a small window between "big enough to be out of a booster" and "now they're a full-sized teenager."
Heat pump? Yay! You are the only ones reporting that. Did the Mazda reps confirm that?
Yes
Yes I asked Mazda and they said yes. However it's not listed online anywhere.
This is so much expensive than the Outlander PHEV and with smaller range, I'm not sure if anyone is actually buying this in the PHEV configuration. I think most people would go with the inline 6.
What happens to the Power and the Torque when the EV mileage is fully utilized and the car runs on combustion?
Did you say xc90 at 1:45?
When will dealers start taking order for cx90? And when is the start date for deliveries?
Dealerships are already taking pre-orders.
Isn’t it Mazda in California, not Maaazda ? 😃. Just teasing lol
Haha!
Mah-zda
Hear me out, at least in white, the black around the wheel wells with the two tone wheels is the best look for this vehicle
Or you could get a Pilot.
Beautiful all the way Thatcher mazda
How does this compare to q7?
Guys, I love the reviews of these different cx90s but am a little concerned about the reliability, especially of the phev. I'm not sure of the reliability of PHEVs in general. There hasn't been enough time gone by to really gauge their longevity and issues. I like the ability to save gas, but I fear the plugin would be more prone to problems and more expensive to repair than the inline 6. I plan on buying and keeping. I am not a leaser. I have drooled over many vehicles because of performance and refinement but never bit because of fear of poor reliability. I am a Lexus GS owner. I would like to get an SUV. I love the looks and performance of the genesis gv70 but am afraid of it as well. I am hoping to go for the CX-70 when it comes out.
These are all new powertrains for Mazda so only time will tell if there are any issues. They certainly have a good track record with their 2.5L 4-cylinder turbo and non-turbo, but there is a lot of new for Mazda right now.
There is no break even point for the PHEV. Side by side a PHEV goes 25 miles on one charge while the inline 6 requires 1 gallon of gas to go the same 25 miles. After that, they both operate on ICE and get 25 mpg combined fuel economy.
The PHEV has a 17.8 Kwh battery. While it may only utilize 80% of the battery to minimize degradation, it would require ~ 16 Kw to recharge fully considering charging inefficiencies. My electric rate including surcharges, taxes, etc, is 20 cents per Kw and that is below many regions of the country.
That means it would cost me $3.20 to charge the battery and I just filled up at $3,27 per gallon.
That does not even take the added cost of the PHEV into consideration.
I'd keep the GS, honestly.
@@twystedhumour hey I'm not giving up the GS. The Mazda would be a second car as I don't have an SUV
@@clarkkent9080 Besides the mpg comparison, what happens after the charge runs out? Are you riding solely on the 2.5L engine without any other help?
Love my Mazda but why can't they give us a button to turn off the radio? The button on the console controls the volume and can mute the radio. But next time you start the car, the radio comes blaring on! If you press and hold the button, the entire infotainment system turns off. You don't even get the clock.
With all the nice touches Mazda provides, why can't they offer an Off button?
The volume knob also controls mute. Just push the button down. Duh
@@kevinW826 re-read my post. I don't want the radio to come on the next time I start my car, which is what happens when you use the mute button, as I stated.
@@hoosiermama3001 and all cars have a knob to turn the radio down or mute it. Just push down on it. If you want to keep the radio off, buy a fifteen year old car with a power button and quit your whining
@Kevin Wright go find another female to condescend to, this one's not interested
@@hoosiermama3001 ok Karen. There was no need to bring an individuals sex into this. But once again, someone states an opinion, and some purple haired overly sensitive person is all up in arms.
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Wish the previous came with the inline6
I really love Mazda. So sad to see small ev range...
AT 1:43 you call it the "XC90" which is the name of a volvo.
CX-70 coming out soon?
Is PHEV not having the Signature grade? Or it is just not available from initial launch?
As far as I understand, these are the only trims available.
Hey guys. One thing I want to have clear, Once you use up the charge, are you riding only with the 2.5L engine without no help from the electric motor?
No, it becomes a hybrid
The EV mode switches to ICE at 20% battery. If needed after that, the electric motor will add power but you will be depleting the battery below 20% and that effects lithium battery life.
How seamless is it with less than 20% battery when the ICE is charging the battery and then you need EV power so the motor generator switches to a motor again?
Sigh that cargo space with three rows up
The front has a volvo feel to me right around the hood and grill area.
Elsewhere in the industry, are PHEVs difficult/expensive to maintain once they're past the warranty period? Trying to predict how costly this vehicle will be once it's out of warranty. Thx.
Extended warranty?
In my opinion, with the complexity of this and similar vehicles, if you plan on keeping it a long time an extended warranty would be a wise purchase. Again, JMHO…..
Pacifica PHEV is a good alternative to this as well, for people with an open mind. If you want a PHEV that can carry lots of people and lots of stuff all at once, you can't beat it.
I don't think I'll ever go back to Chrysler/Stellantis after so many reliability issues. Our family has had a Pacifica and a Town & Country with big issues.
Except Mazda actually makes good cars, whereas an FCA product will begin to fall apart the minute it's out of warranty.
They traded the beautiful aerodynamic shape of the CX9 for this roomy but boxy CX90. It is a bit risky to spend that much on a unproven drivetrain. They should have adopted the well-proven one from Highlander instead.
Hi, how come you keep mentioning the CX-5 and CX-50 and not the CX-9 for comparisons? just wondering. I have a CX9. Cheers
We do, in both the Inline 6 and PHEV videos. You just have to watch all the way through.
I should have watched the whole video..LOL
Interior is 9.5/ 10..... exterior is 3/ 10
Looks like a Lincoln with that badge on the front fenders
Annoying that android auto is only in the top trim. You can get this in the bottom trim CX50, so they really should have kept this consistent.
Of course in Canada, we get the short straw on this.
Let see how toyota grand highlander perform compared to cx 90.
The Grand Highlander is going to be bigger than this. The CX-90 has about the same passenger space as the Highlander but a little more 3rd row legroom.
At 10:50 I see a 6 seater version but I don’t see it on any website US or Canada. Anyone know anything about this?
Mild hybrid signature trim only in Canada.
Is ride firmer than Toyota Highlander?
Yes, absolutely it is firmer than the Highlander.
MAWZDA :)
Is CX50 Will PHEV too?
coming next year
This 2024 cx90 or 2023 atlas?
oh god... I hate Kia and Mazda for making the captain chairs the only option for the second row... I want to have the bench in the second row and use the 3rd row only occasionally...
The base model cx90 comes with a bench seat in back
But basic model is missing so much stuff 😢
@@Chu_on_it that’s more than ok. It means there’s less crap to go wrong when the warranty has expired.
I don’t want a panoramic sunroof, digital dashboard, leather seats, 20” wheels, a massive 15” iPad in the centre stack where every physical button is a touch sensitive POS.
Spending more time trying to figure out if you have readjusted the temp or changed radio stations or if the seat heater is on is more of a distraction because you end up have taken your eyes off the road, whereas physical buttons you have that muscle memory and feel so you know exactly which buttons your pushing.
Plus why would anyone in their right mind by the first model year of a brand new car when all the bugs have not been worked out?
You are essentially the test subject.
Last year on the mazda24/7 forum, there was a gentleman from the Neatherlands who had documented all of the problems he had with his PHEV CX-60 which will be our CX-70 here in North America.
He had the digital dashboard fail, the AC blower motor fail, the battery pack failed, the TPMS failed, the regenerative brake system had to be reprogrammed, he had so many electrical issues in the first six months of ownership between September of 2021 and March of last year he actually thought of getting rid of it, but he was a glutton for punishment and as far as I know, he still has it with all of its problems.
So no, I don’t want all of the extras because they just add to problems down the line. I will give you an example.
Two years ago, the power seat adjuster motor on my 2015 mazda3 failed. The Mazda dealership wanted $2000 for the entire seat frame because they designed it so that the motor is built into the frame. $1200 for a used motor but it didn’t come with any warranty or guarantee that it would last more than six months.
I can only imagine what the cost will be of half of this new tech crap in these higher trim vehicles when they fail two or three years outside of the warranty period.
I'll be honest. I was really excited about this car but am disappointed now that it is out. Why? Because it can only be had with six seats in the top trim (with a giant rear console that blocks third row access), and has some of the worst in class cargo room and third row space despite being more than 200 inches long. I really wish you could get a bench second row in top trims as someone with three kids who often wants to put three across and maximize cargo space. I don't know how Mazda could package a car so poorly. I love the looks and the powertrain but as a family car it fails to match the class leaders at the things that matter most to big families.
Great car but the phev range isn't good at all.
Wow I’m deeply disappointed by the range. My Mazda salesperson told me 120km a month ago, but this is a deal breaker.
Worse than an used car salesman 😂
Does anyone know if the PHEV has a heat pump?
Yes, they mentioned it did
That EV range to battery size ratio doesn't sound great.
Did mazda take a page out of terrible shifters of toyota? Toyota crown uses the same odd shifting same as the new lexus. Not a fan of it.
40 km range in pure EV….sad.
No Federal rebate in US since it's made in Japan
That's correct!
First?
(Why am I awake at 5am pst 😂)
Glad you are up at 5am!
You said “XC”90
You didn't tell this PHEV or turbo gasoline?
You can use regular fuel.
@@andreaspencer9813 I think what Ak Here meant was which version of the CX-90 you would pick? The PHEV or inline-6 version? Judging by your facial expressions, I think you would pick the inline-6 version. 😊
@@paulira7407 I really love the Inline 6 plus the fuel economy for this model is pretty good considering all that power. Plus you can use regular fuel and it doesn't affect the torque number. Sweet!
@@andreaspencer9813 thanks for the input. I’m a 2021 Rav4 Prime owner and I was debating selling my Prime for either the high-output inline-6 or the PHEV model. For me, I think the biggest deciding factor will be the final EV range of the CX-70.
If it’s like the CX-90 and under 28 miles, I think I will go with the more spirited driving engagement engine in the inline-6. That’s just not enough range for me to justify picking that over the inline-6. If the final EV range was at least 38 miles, it would be a tough decision since 40 miles total is at the moment enough for my daily commuting needs.
This still qualifies for the CCA class 54 for you self employed people.
only mazda can lengthen the wheelbase and overall and add no more room, made room to make the hood longer??? I do not get it, is there people who insist on straight 6 - not in america, maybe why a new NA president
@1:43 - Its not XC90 , rather CX 90 - very basic mistake!
Hahaha, bro said XC90 at 1:45 when he meant CX-90. This was bound to happen, nomenclature way too similar
True
I kinda don't understand whey people are complaining about physical buttons for climate control. I mean besides heated/ventilated seats, I set it at 21C and never touch it again.... or maybe it's just me.
I know lots of people who don’t find the auto climate control to be effective. And in colder climates with inclement weather, there are times where you have no choice but to adjust the climate settings while on the move.
Hot topic seems missing the transcript
Not sure what happened there, the comment was there when we watched it initially. Such a pain when these things happen.