What is the BEST Survival Stove?
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- Get You Own PaleoHikerMD Patches HERE!: www.etsy.com/shop/PaleoHikerM... Today we will look at four different options from the standpoint of fuel source when it comes to survival stoves. Solid fuel stoves, alcohol stoves, gas canister stoves, and wood burning debris stoves. If you are looking for a stove for a particular survival situation, maybe this information can help you make a decision! Thanks for watching.
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It's been 3 1/2 years since this video, I wondered 2 things: Any new choices in your Bugout Bag stoves, and what would you consider the best manufacturer of stoves? Thanks for all your hard work, it is appreciated!
The best stove to have during shtf is one that burns anything. That would be an MSR Universal or a Optimus Polaris (much louder but better flame control. Or an MSR Dragonfly. You can forget the canister stove, unless you have that stocked up. And the universal and polaris burn that too. During long term SHTF, you will be burning wood, gasoline or kerosene, and coal. All other fuels will be super expensive and hard to get. Burning wood will be the "reality" after weeks go by. Canister or white gas for short term SHTF. Wood is plentiful and easy to get. Having a wood burning stove will be the most practical.
Wood may not be that easy to find. In the Desert or the Arctic or even on the tundra! Not much in the way if easy to collect wood out there.
I've traveled all over North America. And in certain areas, you simply can't depend on "finding wood"!
Hello Dr. Paleo,
Lived in Alaska for several years and always used a wood fire for cooking and heating a tarp. I lean toward the wood stoves because of that, but now on short camp trips in the southwest use other methods in fire precaution seasons. Thank you for your information; especially on the covid vaccine as both my wife and I were cautious about it, but now feel more comfortable since your heart felt video. We are both in healthcare; I am a retired RN and she a working Compliance Officer. Imagine our conversations over dinner.
Thanks,
Steve
Very good video. You and your family are fortunate to have everything you described in case the world got tough. Good job.
We miss you Ernie!
Can’t wait for your come back!
I have been using the same esbit stove for about 10 years and it works as good now as when I first used it.
One trick with with the small canister stoves, is to buy a cheap adapter that can transfer gas from large cheap butane canisters to smaller iso canisters for about 1/10th the cost of iso that comes in the small canisters, also butane canisters are about as available as methylated spirits, even my local supermarket sells butane canisters in 4 packs, the only catch with butane is that it freezes at around ‘freezing point’ so it’s not the best for extreme cold environments, but if the small canister is kept at the foot of sleeping bag or held under your jacket before use then it is still an option
For extreme cold you can instead get another adapter that moves iso mix gas from the larger iso canisters to the smaller ones, the larger iso canisters cost 1/2-1/3rd less than buying it in the smallest more portable canisters, so changing between refilling from large cheap available butane canisters in warmer months and from larger cheaper iso canisters in winter puts gas well ahead of all other fuels as far as a mix of pros vs cons is concerned imo
In an extreme long term scenario the only option will be cooking over fire anyway in which case from what I can see all bush cultures since the invention of metal cooking containers either hung the container or just putting it/them directly in the coals or on grills/grates (if carried by some kind of vehicle rather than carried in a pack) rather than on little portable stoves, so I’d be interested in any evidence that small portable wood stoves are worth the price/weight/space? 🤔
I just got a new Bushbuddy that I'm looking forward to trying out. Free fuel! Thanks for the video!
I agree, I have the Solo Stove and other stoves too. For long-term the Solo Stove is my 1st choice. For short-term Esbit or a Canister Stove,
One stove/cooker you didn't include here that keeps appearing over the last couple of years is the 'Alocs 7 Piece' - It packs down into a bag and is smaller than a Trangia 27 kit, and allows you to use either the included alcohol burner or your own Trangia. It's anodized aluminium and cools down quickly after cooking, but the biggest selling point for me was the fact you can control and snuff out the flame without removing the pot from above the flame...
I have all of the stoves you have discussed and I woudl agree on a biomass stove. I have a gasssifyer from Amazon. I have 3 or 4 Ikea style stoves as well that I have put legs on and modifed.. They don't burn as efficiently as the gassifyers, but I love the simplicity. My Stanley Adventure Kit with the GSI Cup nests inside the stove. Additionally, it can be setup and used as a stand/windscreen for my Trangia stove. that can be brought it it and placed inside. There is absulutely know reason why it cannot be used with an Esbit stove tablets as well. So, it is extremely versatile. Additionally, I found a smaller "Ikea" stove that fits just the Stanley set perfectly on Amazon. I have modifed by cutting holes to insert fuel. I love the design on Survival Lilly in which she cuts two holes across from each other so that she can feed longer pieces of wood in them. Additionally, I use one-sided cable clamps, wing nuts, washers, and spade shaped screws to attach four legs on the bottom that makes this stove stable, and so I can sighten or losen with and thus rotate the legs to make it more stable or put underneath. Simple metal stakes can be used within the Ikea stove to setp the trangea, etc. at an optimum height for use. I have expeimented with different grill types for the top that can be used from modifying grill beer can chicken stands to using 5" PC fan screens (bought on Amazon) to using stainless Oatey drains found at Lowes. I would like to come up with a pot stand design that is raised slightly off of the top and might use a couple of cross pieces . Anyway, it allows me to use an alcohol stove, Triangia, Fancy Feast, etc., wood, wood pellets,... I have the canister stoves but use them for specific trips and purposes. I have an adapter for those that allows me to use the 1 lb propane canisters, which are somewhat cheaper than teh specialty stove canisters for these ttoves, I would use this on specific trips or where biomass isn't readily available, etc. and these stoves with the canisters are pretty lite. They allow me to ismmer somewhat which the other types of stoves don't. I have also created larger bio stoves out of large pot strainers and, in particular I love the larger gassivfier stove that I made from two stock pots with the larger one turned upside-down and the bottom cut out and the smaller placed in in with all the appropriate wholes for the gassifier drilled. This is awesome when it gets going and is smokeless. Countless smores were made around it. I have yet to find a grill specifically for it, but rather have make a tripod that puts a hanging pot over it. I guess I like the stoves that I made/deigned and use them the most. I love the gassifier but find the Ikea-type stove just much easier to use (no assembly) and just versatile. Thanks for the videos, Erniie. I hope others pay attention to your Survival Prep List and gete-out-of=town gear to grab. Mark Young has some good ideas. The Ikea stove will work with NO modifications, but for about $15 or $20 you can get it setup with a Fancy Feast alcohol stove and a stuff sack from Walmart. By the way, if you get a Trangia stove, I would suggest not getting the military version. I would like to have that Trangia cook set. As far as cook sets, you cannot beat teh Stanley kits for durability and usage.
You’re exactly correct Ernie. That’s what got me interested in designing and building alcohol stoves.
2010-2013 I was in Eastern New Mexico,
A Canadian cold front came down. Te temperature plunged to -9 Fahrenheit. People trying to keep warm turned on electric heat well the power went off and stayed off for 6 hours. Had all kinds of food but zero way to cook it.
You may not know about the plateau of Texas/ Eastern New Mexico. It nothing uncommon to go outside with 50-60 MPH winds
Well when the electricity came back on (6 hours later) I got out of bed cooked something to eat and swore to myself “THIS US NEVER HAPPENING TO ME AGAIN!”
I started making alcohol stoves In February 2011 and the rest is history.
I wanted two things.
1. A stove that worked reliably.
2. A very fuel efficient stove because one bottle of fuel may need to last several days in case I could not get to the store for fuel
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Agreed, wood gas stove and esbit (you can also burn twigs in it).
The firebox is my choice. It could be brought into an improvised shelter and fed.. Very useful if you get turned around in the winter here in Canada.
Great info...thx
I like your videos and your way of presenting the products! I own several cooking systems: Evernew titanium set, Trangia 27, Esbit set and I will definitely buy an Solo stove Titan! All systems are great for bushcraft, survival and prepping. Keep on going!👍 Many greetings from 🇩🇪, Mark
Buy one of the two the Trail Designs titanium stoves W/mating pot and the optional INFERNO gassifier wood burner instead. (US made) Absolutely the most efficient for alcohol, ESBIT and wood.
Very good, Thank you very much
I have both Solo Stoves also, but I recently purchased the Firebox Nano Titanium in the X-Case. Stores super small, is featherlite, and works great. Its not a gassifier, but it burns pretty clean when it reaches operating temperature. Perhaps you could get one and do a review.
Thank you ‼️
Have you looked into the Bushcooker LT from Four Dog Stoves? Great with wood or other combustibles and the spirit burner fits perfectly.
Overall good content. Featuring white gas or dual fuel and multi-fuel stove selections would have provided important additions.
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I think the Trangia 25/27 is the best choice for emergency/bug out because it has the widest cooking options.
It wound be very difficult to cook a squirrel or pigeon in a Esbit pot 😄
I agree Esbit and Solo (et al) is the best combination.
Hey just found your channel. Great video. Everyone should have something. Being prepared is part of life. I have 2 fuel canister and 2 wood burning. Never a fan of esbit. Good info though
Thanks for watching, and welcome!
Have found that the Esbit, basic folding stove, German Bundeswehr issue, is also readily adaptable for use as an alcohol stove. It can be used with either a Trangia or ALOCS type burner or a DIY cat or Tuna fish tin. The burner does not fit inside the frame of the Esbit stove, and must be carried separately but, have found it well worth the effort because the alcohol burner is a more efficient heat source than are the solid fuel tablets and alcohol fuel is much more easily obtained than solid fuel tablets. " To each his own ", but you might give a bit of a try, you might be pleasantly surprised ... Cheers.
These are good options for portable/packable stoves when out & about hiking (not at home) or just tossed in the trunk of your car. For a backup emergency stove at home you simply can't beat a tank of propane & a two burner Coleman stove or a naptha/white gas Coleman stove. Much more practical, efficient & easy to cook a meal for a family.
I like the rolly Polly in the back ground lmaoo
I have a different plan. I am in Canada in a forested region. Burning twigs is kinda silly. A good hatchet is the idea. But say I needed to cook in my SUV or in a remote shack inside until the zombies calmed down. I have a NATO fuel can full of diesel-kerosene-methanol for my dragonfly. 6 months I figure. I can siphon fuel if I need to...but my 2 fuel bottles will last maybe 10 or 11 days and I can pack them anywhere multifuel capable. 100 years ago here it was wood and coal was just getting popular.
Firebox Nano can use esbit tabs, twigs, wood, alcohol stove inside it, and the butane powered stoves as well.
It is about the best Cadillac stoves you can get.
Full sized Firebox, if you can handle the 2 pounds it weighs empty, can hold more wood, cook for more people at one time.
If price isn't a problem the Evernew Titanium alcohol + DX stand , is great for clean burning while you have alcohol and still can switch to wood burning when out of fuel.
If it's too expensive for you, or if you don't need it to be ultralight a similar wood-burning stove that's compatible with trangia-style alcohol stove is great
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you didnt mention non alcohol liquid fuel stoves. personally for my get home bag I carry an altoids tin wood stove (video by intense angler) and with a small bit of aluminum will work with fuel tablets and gels. and a DIY mini alcohol stove made from a flashlight ( videos on youtube). the right hight to use with the altoids tin stove as a pot rest. they both pack in my walmart grease pot and cup with a bunch of other stuff. and when im able to afford one i plan to get a optimis polaris liquid fuel and canister stove. and then i have all of my bases covered in SHTF til then I plan to get a remote canister stove with propane tank adaptor
If you scrape some of the fuel tablets you can use a ferro rod.
Good tip . Using scrapings helps ignite tinder too, useful if you are low on fuel tabs . I have never used a ferro before but I plan in getting one soon
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This video did my heart good. I only have a certain amount of money for investing in my hobby of collecting camping/trekking/packpacking stoves. I own (and use often) 3 of the four you showcased as your top picks. As a former 911 Police Dispatcher for Police, Fire, EMS, and CiviI Defense, I wholeheartedly agree with you that The SOLO Stove choices are best for long term (and short term, IMHO) survival. I lived in "MinneSNOWta" for 18 brutal winters. The SOLO Stoves can literally SAVE YOUR LIFE as both a cooking source and an outdoors heating source. I ALWAYS kept one of the SOLO STOVE stoves in my car all year around and even living in the deep south now I still ALWAYS carry one in my car. Like you, I also own both the "TITAN" by SOLO STOVE (larger one) and the original "LITE" by SOLO STOVE (smaller one) packpacking stove. Then there's the TRANGIA STORMCOOKER COOK SET which I own and love. You guessed it, the ESBIT COOK SET made my list of gear too. I own the ESBIT 5 PIECE TREKKER COOK SET. It's a tad bit larger and allows for ESBIT tablets and the ESBIT alcohol burner which is included in the kit. All are great stoves. Bizarre as it sounds I don't own any canister stoves. I am currently looking at the POCKET ROCKET2 just to round out a void in my stove collection. That said, I think YOUR choices of stoves to showcase were "spot on"! All of these stoves, when used correctly, have their merits and drawbacks like all other stoves but functionally these are some of the best out there, hands down, IMHO of course.
This was great, thanks, I been tryin to find out about "what's in bug out bag" for a while now, and I think this has helped. Have you ever come across - Janameron Tenylan System - (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some amazing things about it and my partner got cool results with it.
Good video. If you didn’t choose the wood stove I was going to groan. Luckily you chose correctly :). It is the only real choice for survival as biomass/twigs are everywhere. Alcohols/hexamine/white gas/isobutane canisters... not so much.
My personal choice is the Vargo Hexagon Stove. But Bush Buddy clones (like your Solo) are great as they have less soot.
Amazing how lucky he continues to be. Texas
Has anyone tried a couple of Matchlight briquets or even twigs in the Esbit?
On the esbit kit, if you run out of fuel cubes, would it be possible to feed sticks in it and use as a type of rocket stove?
Really surprised you didn’t mention that you can use an alcohol burner with the solo stoves.
Have you ever used Can Heat and it's folding stove?
Denatured alcohol or heet, won't freeze!? Correct!? No worries, on storing in summer/ winner!??
for me the best stove is the one i have on me at the time i need it
Check out Silverfire stove. They are outstanding for survival.
AU CONTRAIRE! The Trail Designs titanium Sidewinder or larger Tri-Ti stoves WITH the optional INFERNO woodturning insert, makes them an even more efficient "gassfiier" wood burner than the heavy, bulky-to pack BushBuddy. They are THE best "survival" stoves.
I've used my Sidewinder and mating 3 cup Open Country pot with ESBIT, alcohol and wood. All work very well, especially the wood burner insert for melting snow..
PLUS these stoves, made of titanium sheet metal, ROLL UP and store in the mating pot! Cool huh?
Wow I watch your videos I am a proper you make me better
Why no discussion about liquid fuel stoves?
Hey What about white gas?????????????
When you use wood fire. Stainless steel is good. You need lid otherwise water taste tire rubber. When you scrub soap on pot surface before use, soot is easy to remove. Smoke smells miles distans, if you try camping secretly. Axe noisy compared with the saw.
When the SHTF is anyone's guess, and also the severity of it. My thought is twenty years at the most or even less. Will it be gradual or fast. Well I've got to say, it will be gradual, because it has been happening for years now already; but it is now speeding up real quick.
It's nice having all the trick-bang newest camping gear, but seriously, in a real survival situation one needs fairdinkum gear that works and won't let you down.
You need water, food, shelter and fire. Maybe a basic first aid kit. Tough suitable clothing. A knife or two.
A basic water filter that will last and remove lots of contaminants, then boil for at least a minute. You won't know if the water has nuclear waste or poisonous chemicals in it, so basically it's a gamble anyway. I read that Sawyer filter is good for 100,000 gallons, which sounds good.
Lighters to start fires. Hard to go past two or three Bic lighters. Will last years and thousands of uses. I have a couple that are more than thirty years old and still work. I recently stumbled upon them when cleaning up old gear. They were from my smoking days. Still heaps of fuel in them, and strikers / flints still going strong. You can start a small fire on the ground or improve to a steel can, that's it. Sticks are everywhere. You can't go to the local store and get gas refill or whatever, because the stores / shops won't be around if things get really nasty.
Shelter can start at a tarp only and go up from there. I think a hammock would be best choice, as it gets you shelter, comfort, lightweight, off the ground, etc.
Food is anyone's guess. I think if basics can be hoarded to last two or three months, then that is it. There will be no fruit and vegetables or meats. Human bodies will get sick after two months until death. You won't have a balanced diet lol, it will be plain old calories to keep you alive. Rice would be a start to begin with, then research for other foods off Prepper sites etc. A steel pot to cook food in too.
At the moment, I'm thinking to stay put and gather family in the same place. Stock up on supplies. Have fuel for vehicle stored. Put a sign on front of building begging for food, water and fuel, and help too. Then people won't think you are a Prepper, and leave you alone as they will have their own problems. When supplies almost gone, and if the world looks doomed for sure, then use vehicle to travel to survive, as this will be only option left.
Use your brain and think about everything. Do you really need a corkscrew on your knife, because even if you found a bottle of wine it is easy enough to remove cork lol. Do you need a tool kit? What for? Does a rifle or other weapon have benefit or not? That's something hard to decide. Apart from defence it can be used to hunt animals for food, that's if there are any left lol.
That'll do, I'm getting writer's cramp, and besides, I need to ...
Ah man, this guy died even before he could use all his equipment that will not even make a difference if he lives or dies...man i hate when that happens!
Alcohol stoves are by far the better choice, if this about bug out (Or in). Yeah there's fuel made specifically for it, but it can burn pretty much any kind of alcohol or spirits. Like household cleaning spirits (Or Alcohol, whatever you call it in the US). You can get that ANYWHERE, and it's hardly the first thing to get ripped off the shelves.
You didn’t even test the best one. Check out the instafire inferno stove. Boils water in under 3 min and then can be turned down to simmer. Perfect biomass stove
Plenty of AMMO for zombies too! Merry Christmas, buddy boy.
trick question... here's why, everyone is in a different area so what's best for them may not be for others!
Monsoon ? you in South East Asia ?
Mine is a 1970 coleman 425E. If I had to, I could burn gasoline in it.
Gasoline would probably be the most available fuel in a serious long term grid-down scenario (other than wood) but gasoline is extremely dangerous, everyone underestimates how dangerous petrol is until they get badly burned, what gets people is the fact that the fumes ignite a greater distance away from the actually liquid petrol, but you can’t see where the edge of the fumes are, and the hand/arm is often inside the ‘pocket’ of fumes and when the fumes ignite they get very bad burns, and then how do you treat a 3rd degree burn in an environment where you are forced to need to use petrol for cooking? 😬
Solo stoves work best with charcoal
Bug out bag? Oh you're one of those guys. What? It's not a bad thing. I think it's cool. I'm just saying.
So new house huh? And from what I gather you're out in the sticks. Dude do you have a bunker? Like under the house or an old stump for an entrance like in Hogan's Heroes?
I think you forget one option that many are discarting in those days but still a valuable option. The coleman or white gas stoves, They work great in any type of environment was it in high altitude, was it in freezing temperature, the fuel is available in almost every part of the world, put very high BTU output. Many type even run with multifuel option like unleaded gas. Regarding the Esbit type I am not a big fan of those for mainly 2 reasons: first if you want to boil and purify water it will need for ever and many tablets so I may have to cary tons of those tablets to get enough drinking water. Other aspect that people are not mention that often is the horrible door of those tablets when they burn. But by far my favorite option is a woodstove was it a woodgas one or a foldable one which reduce the bulk.
Rather than carrying "tons of those tablets to get enough drinking water" put a good water filter in your kit, along with some water purification tablets as backup. I prefer the Sawyer filters (both Mini & Squeeze) and chlorine dioxide tablets. Not only does filtering water save on fuels (regardless of fuel type) it can be done when conditions severely restrict using a fuel source to boil water (weather, stealth, fuel availability, etc. )
FWIW, I like the Colman liquid fuel stoves and lanterns, too. Around here it's getting harder and harder to find Colman camp stove fuel. And it is increasing in expense. I have a few gallons stashed. Also have other stoves of varying sizes and types for wood, alcohol, Sterno/chafing fuel, wax, propane and solid fuel tabs. Each has pros & cons, IMO. Good to pick & choose according to circumstances at any given time.
BTW & FWIW, with applicable mods Esbit type stoves can be used with other fuel sources, so it's not limited to those fuel tabs.
Oldtimer Lee agree with you Buddy. I just wanna point out that white gas stove can be considered. Regarding coleman fuel availability I don’t face that situation here in Canada maybe because it’s still on demand??? Also note that many old as even newer stoves can run on gazoline which is not hard to find usually.
Around here SE US, camp fuel stoves and their fuel usage dropped as propane powered stoves became the norm. I'm fortunate to own 3 Colman camp fuel "suitcase" stoves, including a 3 burner version. Been a long time since I've seen a new one on a store shelf. Today, even the propane versions seem to be giving away to the single burner, small canister stoves. Guess that the growth of RV and camper trailers (with built in stoves) means a decline in car camping with a tent. Thus the decline in demand for those old style Colman stoves, in this neck of the woods.
Cooked many a meal on a Colman camp fuel stove. Know the value of them, that's for sure. Thanks for your comments.
Toaks small titanium wood burning stove...I don't like the solo stove... it's a knock of another brand that was on the Market before the Solo stove was put on the market.... It's called the Bush Buddy, the Solo Stove is a knock off of the Bush Buddy stove...
why do you need stove for survival at all, if just vertical wood lumberjack candle is enough..and for night sleep - horizontal cosntruction..
for me, the best stoves are the esbit and the homemade coca-cola can stove.
Vallis, I like the homemade Fancy Feast (catfood & tomato paste cans) stove. Stove, windscreen, can lid for a base, DIY simmer ring, & more fit into a plastic peanut butter jar. My Grab/Go kit also includes a Trangia, Sterno, Esbit and a IKEA strainer wood stove. The latter also equipped to serve as a wind screen and/or support to use the Trangia & Fancy Feast stove or to use Sterno/chafing fuel, solid fuel tabs, buddy burner instead of wood.
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@@thomasmusso1147 Thank you. Still have that setup.
gas, fuel and alcohol stoves are NOT survival stoves. In order to survive you need something that can be used for longer than two weeks. The only one I would consider a survival stove is the last one. The others are just toys. There are many portable wood stoves out there. You should review and TEST those for heat, and the time to heat an enclosed area. Tell us the weight , size, portability and price for each.
Maybe a Bic lighter?
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Giveaway...
The best survival stove is a fire.
Well It would be a wood burner and not gas if you are talking real survival