Atheism The Weakest of Worldviews / Official Clip
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- Christians who engage in apologetic arguments against the story of evolution often discover something quickly. Although they may think that this is a predominantly scientific issue, many times believers find themselves in a philosophical debate instead.
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Apologists always have stories about "winning" arguments agaisnt experts (always unnamed, obviously), yet everytime they do it on camera they are unable to have a conversation without evading questions😂😂
It's the equivalent of rehearding a conversation under the shower😂
Atheism is not a worldview. It is a position on but one issue - the claim made by certain theists that a particular god is a reality.
Atheism is the position of suspending any acknowledgment as to the reality of any particular god until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. That's it!
Sounds good on paper. Yet, atheists believe in evolution and that can't be proven, either.
@deltafour1212 Biological evolution is a fact, and the Theory of Evolution: Speciation by Means of Natural Selection is the best explanation agreed upon by the overwhelming majority of biologists.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Biological evolution is not a fact. Evolution has never been observed despite numerous claims to the contrary. Natural selection and mutations cannot add the information necessary to change one kind of organism into another. And it doesn’t take a science degree to understand why molecules-to-man evolution is impossible. "Majority" of biologist? There's a "majority" of biologists that disagree with that, also.
When the earth was considered to be flat by the majority of scientists, was it so? No.
When the universe was considered to be in a Steady State by most scientists, was it proven so? No.
When Darwin proposed his theory of evolution, did he even know what a cell, much less DNA was? No.
Is abiogenisis a fact? No.
Have we ever witnessed the creation of new traits via Natural Selection? No, all we see is the genetic expression of already present genetic information.
Have we ever witnessed the creation of a new trait via random mutation at the macro level? No, mutation rates are too slow, and the probability of any mutation having any positive impact on CREATING new function (a feather or an eye) has not been proven at all.
So where's the intelligent mind driving nature then? Evolution doesn't create, natural selection doesn't create, and abiogenisis has only been proven to be mathematically impossible knowing what we know about the complexity of the necessary duplication mechanism that had to be already present for the 1st cell to multiply.
When you consider these things, what basis are you left with to justify Evolution as factual?
You can choose to deny God, but don't use evolution as your justification, it doesn't stand.
@@deltafour1212pssssst, hey, I’ve got something new for you, as all the rest of us already know this, evolution is a fact. There are 1000’s of pieces of evidence that evolution is an absolute fact.
I thought I let you know. 👍
Name or it didn't happen. So many stories about interactions with atheist that never happened.
How do you know that God isn't a trickster god that entertains itself by fooling us?
Gen 2:16 “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
This god is certainly capable of lying to us and has admitted to it in more than one passage within the bible.
How can we trust anything that we're told about this god?
The point is, if He is, then you can't know anything. But we do know things, which means God is not a trickster. And if you are going to deny that you know anything for certain- how would you know that? The God of the Bible is a prerequisite for knowledge...
@@calvinsmith7575 The *first* chapter of the bible and god lied, what's more lied to two people that didn't know any better then punished them for believing the serpent *who didn't lie* to them and punished the serpent as well.
@@markcostello5120 Forget your meds?
@calvinsmith7575 Did you forget to take your medications?
They did die: they became mortal
When discarding the notion of a God is just "Idontcarism", ok that may be weak. But Atheism is not weak. When one deeply reflects on the potential absence of a supernatural friend and therefore of salvation from death, but still goes all the way to find joy, peace and gratitude in just being alive... I think it takes more guts than just citing verses and feeling good.
Have u read those verses and even given them a thought....
@@booksbrains1249 I have a rather good knowledge of the Bible. And my statement comes from a great deal of réflection. Which verses are you refering to ?
Finding joy in meaningless and a lack of ability to know anything for certain seems strange to me, but God isn't forcing anyone to put their faith in Him...
Being alive is meaningless ?
And it seems God has to be a He and not a She. I always find that... interesting...
That first sentence (see the description) is a great example of this ''accusing others of one's own exact treads and behavior'' -way of arguing of god-believers. Calling evolutionary biology ''a story,'' for instance, and the FACT that, when asking _theists_ for the arguments for their god-belief, all they ever come up with is of the _philosophical_ sort. Never EVER have I heard anyone come up with philosophical reasons to explain the science of evolution.
Btw: There's no such thing as ''an atheistic worldview.'' And, for as far as a theistic worldview is a thing, the god-believers themselves disagree on what that entails.
Sigh.
Atheism is not a worldview it is a position taken on one specific question.
everyone is going to have a worldview. Saying "no" to the idea of a creator, inherently means that you accept a naturalistic explanation for the existence of the universe and life within said universe.
@@Doc-Holliday1851 I would personally agree, until I see evidence of the existence of the supernatural I find the explanations about the naturally occurring world that don't include supernatural elements to be satisfactory explanations for the most part.
This does not change the fact that atheism Is a stance on one particular Issue and that is the issue of the existence of a god or god's.
@@Doc-Holliday1851 Atheism is the lack of belief in a god(s), technically an atheist can still believe in the supernatural just no deities.
@@notthemama7296 I guess that is technically true, though I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single atheist who doesn't also reject the supernatural wholesale. Most, if not all, of them consider it one and the same. Regardless, it doesn't change my statement. Saying you reject one explanation for a thing, fundamentally means that your worldview can't involve that explanation and so atheism would become a worldview in and of itself due to its rejection.
@@korvaamiko66 That's a question for google my dude. I'm not qualified to give lessons on etymology
Just a brilliant demonstration of 1 Peter 3:15. 🙏🏽
And then there those little issues about the Bible: god ordering genocide, slavery, misogyny, etc. Hmmmm some god.
My question is that is that good
@@muhammedgiwa23 Uhhh no. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot have higher moral standards than the Christian god. They weren't able to commit genocide and murder any where near as well as that alleged god.
Are you an atheist
@@muhammedgiwa23 I'm an atheist in that I'm not convinced that there is a god, based on the poor evidence, and the fact that most gods have morals much worse than the vast majority of humans. I was raised in a Christian home, and realized when I was around 11 years old that a loving god couldn't possibly torture billions of people for all eternity for not believing in him.
But u are here saying u don't want him and still don't want to regret it you can't eat your cake and have it and no one is torturing any one hell is a separation from God so why would he force you to be with him against your will .
This is satire, right?:)
It has to be 😂
you did a fine job of demonstrating a pre-suppositional approach to apologetics. The traditional evidentialist piecemeal approach never even questions or challenges the foundations of an atheist worldview. Evidentialism takes for granted that we can all reason just great. We just need a few facts to straighten us out. you’ve demonstrated that this guy had nothing to stand on in even questioning another worldview especially Christianity., because he can’t even justify his own use of metaphysics, morality, or epistemology.
So you _conclude_ that which you initially _presuppose_ to be true, to be true. Am I to understand you correctly?
ugh presup
If someone else can not have a view without been scrutinised by religious people then tell me .. Islam claim that their God is the one and only God ! someone has to be lying either its the God of the Bible or the God of Islam ... which God is the true God considering there have been over 4000 man made Gods in 5000 years . Every different culture has their own God in written religious text & scrolls ... Prove your own God amongst others before lecturing Atheist about your God existing beyond doubt .... i will give you another 100 years for your reply !
Exactly. I do, however, believe in a 2 pronged approach with the use of evidences as well. I find that even when having had the transcendental argument laid out for them, most people are not really philosophically minded and don't 'get it', typically just asking "Yes but what about dinosaurs?" etc. So I like to use evidences to convince Christians to adopt presuppositionalism : )
So, none of us can know anything because we are all limited by our senses and experiences, but some of us have decided that God is giving us information that is beyond our ability to sense. So I decide that I know truth because I’ve decided that God is real and gave me the answer key, and my confidence in this is somehow equivalent to the truth that I’ve presupposed to be true? Do I have this right?
Sheople, fear of death will let you believe all kinds of things won't it.
It's easy to debate when you don't have an atheist contender to challenge your belief
This doesn't sound like a true story.
Because it isn't.
Honesty does not seem to have any place in apologetics.
Lovely and well articulated message...Blessings and appreciation from Sydney Australia .
So tell us: all wise and powerful Answers in Genesis.
If we can't trust our senses then how do YOU know that you're not a brain in a jar? How do you know that we're not in the matrix? How do you know that the entire universe is not just one big giant illusion?
You don't...
So, Answers in Genesis don't really have any way to support the reasoning that we are not in the matrix or that we aren't just brains in a jar being fed information.
I don't think the gentleman in the video realizes that this line of thinking puts everything that he believes to question as well.
The way points about uncertainty came across to me is that it is the atheist's foundation of universal skepticism of everything that puts it in that category of being unable to make any factual claim as true whatsoever. It makes the claim that there is no absolute truth about anything and no one can know anything for sure. Whereas, other worldviews are not self-limiting to such a degree that only one form of evidence like the bodily senses is arbitrarily elevated to the least untrustworthy of universally untrustworthy means of truth assurance. Why trust personal senses over philosophical logic, testimony of what others have sensed, or deductions of time and space coming inevitably from a timeless and spaceless source? So you are criticizing theistic worldviews using the arguments that are only applicable to atheistic skepticism.
I’m a Bible-believing, born-again, evidentialist, Old-Earth Creationist who sees no problem with evolution at all, and I have to totally agree with you.
How does this fine Christian brother of mine know that _he_ isn’t simply a brain in a vat being stimulated by a mad scientist in the Matrix telling _him_ that there’s a God who perfectly grounds the laws of logic, reality, etc.?
The presuppositionalist sword does seem to have a blade that cuts both ways, doesn’t it?
IMHO, in the absence of a defeater for the belief that the world around us is real and our senses and reasoning are reliable, we are justified in trusting them (h/t to WLC for this).
It’s what Plantinga calls properly basic belief.
A good starting point for both believer and skeptic (again, imho) are the laws of logic, for one can’t even have a _conversation,_ let alone an argument, without them. They would seem to be bedrock, for you can’t argue against the laws of logic without using logic!
Anyway, my two cents. Good post!😁👍
@@Mark-cd2wf I agree totally. For any of us, we must presuppose certain aspects of reality to even entertain the idea of what it means to be alive, etc.
I mean, even to read the Bible, we have to presuppose that our perception is operating according to reality to even be able to have a belief in whatever it claims.
This goes for the non believers too.
IDK, sometimes this guy just says ridiculous things because he thinks it sounds good and makes him seem intelligent.
@@mustachemac5229 Your second paragraph is an excellent point that I hadn’t thought of (and presuppositionalists need to consider).
And I’m sure he means well, but how many presuppers don’t realize that they’re sawing off the limb they’re sitting on?
And then everyone stood up and clapped, right? What a load of BS.
So the takeaway is this; any argument put forth that doesn't begin with the assumption that this guy is correct is incorrect.
Seriously. The only argument against him had to start with a claim that confirms his claim, thus not being an argument against him?
At least it's consistent with religion.
Those are just dishonest word games. If one person is 100% certain that God exists and another person is 100% certain that God doesnt exist, both think they are right but they cannot be both right, so it is obvious that feeling of certainty doesnt matter.
he won against him but wouldnt win against me
It's not a contest. It's either true that God exists or it's false. I say you atheists are miserable and disagreeable for no good reason. If you don't believe in God then don't.
Extra large portion of straw on table 17 please
So, how do you Christians know for certain that your god is real?
Acts 17:30-31
[30] The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, [31] because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
@@Feraeond
What is the difference between quoting that versus quoting Harry Potter?
@francmittelo6731 That verse answers your question. Christianity is real because Jesus Christ rose from the dead. If you die and then resurrect in three days again, I will take that as equal evidence of your authority on spiritual truth with whatever you claim about God as well. (If it did occur, I guarantee you wouldn't be disagreeing with Jesus either.)
@@Feraeond "That verse answers your question."
--- No, it doesn't answer the question.
Saying that "the Bible is true, because the Bible is true" is circular reasoning.
--- Also, Christian God 'works in mysterious ways," therefore by definition, Christian God is not for certain, and cannot be predictable.
--- If Atheists don't have a pathway to "certainty" (which is clearly overrated by Theists), then neither do Theists.
--- So far, it seems like we live in a probabilistic, and we do not need certainty to live fulfilling lives.
--- Theists have the burden of proof to demonstrate that their religions are 100% true.
@francmittelo6731 I never claimed circular reasoning. If Christ rose from the dead, then Christianity is true whether or not the Bible recorded it. I don't operate in a skeptical mindset that dismisses everything as unknowable like atheism does so your claim that I cannot propose confidence in the truth of what is recorded in the Bible as accurate does not apply. Feel free to remain as skeptical about reality as you prefer. I was answering your question about why Christians know our God is real, not trying to dissuade you of whatever you prefer to place your confidence in.
yes,athiesm is the weakest worldview,because its not a worldview,its simply not being convinced MAGIK MAN DUN DID IT
It is a worldview
@@kapitan19969838so is my belief that the loch ness monster doesn't exist. So where are you going with this?
This "logic" can be used to justify belief in Bigfoot, leprechauns, E-Ts or any hypothetical beings.
Yeah but those lack the historical and prophetic nature of the Bible to back them up.
The point of the video was not the logic behind Christianity, but the denial of any absolute truth driving the athiest worldview that pretty much renders all attempts to disprove Christianity a self-defeating argument against the atheist worldview.
They pretty much say "nothing is real so Christianity isn't either", becase If they accepted the existence of any absolute truth, the burden of proof would be on them to prove Christianity false.
Please expand how
Bigfoot is well documented. Look up the Missing 411 series. Where are all the missing people, and who is taking them?
I've known plenty of things for certain which were proven to be wrong and changed my view through the Word of God and knowing Jesus Christ.
What evidentiary facts convinced you that this Jesus Christ is a reality?
Haha! I love your name! How clever.😁👍
Thanks Sye Ten Bruggencate 2.0. It's the last ditch of the desperate. A "Hail Mary" as it were. As for how you come to accept anything else as true or "likely true" let's compare what's actually used and see if those actually hold up to epistemic standards.
"Now if the God of the Bible exists could he give his creatures faculties and reveal information to them. Revelation so that they could know things for certain?"
In order to know something for certain even in that hypothetical scenario the answer is "no". In the Bible this is declared as "Fallen World" and we are all "the depraved". Can a broken vessel perfectly and reliably hold "truth" and know it to be true? No, because even in this stupid game you're playing you still need to know EVERYTHING in order to claim the ultimate truth of ANYTHING. And you're not God.
All God could supposedly do is make you believe it as knowledge, but you can never truly "know" it. You're just a broken vessel. No matter how true it feels in your heart that's all you've got. You're not God, and we're right back where we started.
BTW every other person of faith including other religions entirely can claim this same methodology and come up with different answers that conflict and none of you could prove what's actually the case. What you think works for Christianity works for everyone else and works against all.
Revelation has no means of being demonstrated as being true.
"It's true because the voices in my head/heart tell me it's true".
Now THAT is the weakest worldview. There are people in asylums who claim to be Jesus too.
That's not "knowledge", that's "faith".
Oh, and all of this is launched of a hypothetical of "If God is real" ... but we never got to justifying that have we? Are we going to end up falling back on "The voices are true because they told they're true!"
Circular reasoning? Hmmmm...
Atheism has killed more people than any religion combined :) Also, if atheism is true, your OPINION matters little, morals are subjective. We know we live in a fallen world because God told us through Moses, but naturally as an atheist I'm sure you'll ignore the plethora of historical and scientific evidence to support the claims of a divine creator. Atheism is just the belief of living however you want to, which is scary and disgusting
Is everything you just said true?
@@calvinsmith7575 Can anyone prove they have perfect access? Even when you know everything you have nothing you can point to to support that claim. And the people claiming to have "perfect knowledge" from God appear to be demonstrable idiots constantly. So much for "perfection". Welcome to not having anything more than anyone else.
@@Andrew_O Do you know I don't have anything more than anyone else?
@@calvinsmith7575Do you? Please share. If not... well....
Why don't you believe in Santa? 😧
Average atheist comeback
@@Xottic-ll1yf Do you believe in Santa? I call him the personification of the Spirit of Christmas. I also believe that Jesus is the personification of the Spirit of Love.
Four years ago I was saved out of 33 years of atheism. It's a vacuous, dark, depressing, and dangerous worldview. Thank you Jesus.
Which _evidentiary fact(s)_ convinced you that this Jesus is a reality? Please state any evidentiary fact(s) in a complete sentence.
Are you open to the idea that Atheism may have been bad FOR YOU, but not bad for others?
Amen to our Lord! He knew you before the foundation of the world...
@@Theo_Skeptomai "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. It is also in movie form. Also study about the Shroud of Turin....that is if you do choose for the truth to set you free!
@@dianetaylor5682 I am familiar with both. Would care to discuss either?
Religion, the most dangerous drug of all times without rehab facilities
You sound just like Jesus when he spoke to the religious elite of his time. Do you also want to follow Christ?
A mediocre prophet, so delusional he considered himself to be the only son of a non existing entity? Nah, think I’ll pass on that one :)
@@walterdaems57 Interesting. Don't you think you would be happier not thinking about God or the Bible or getting into unpleasant conversations on TH-cam with people you don't know and will never meet? Maybe you should focus on something you actually believe in and that brings you peace and joy and happiness. I think you atheists think way too much about God. Just try to move on with your life buddy.
@@optimus1212 I don’t spend a nano second thinking about god and Bible. I do spend a lot of time contemplating about the devastating effects of religions and social media. That’s my duty as a thinker and it’s not up to anyone else, most certainly not those who are members of the cuckoo’s nest to determine what should go on in my brain. I know that for people like you it makes perfect sense to think exactly what something or someone else wants you to think but there are people on the planet who prefer a little more independency :)
That said, let it be crystal clear that god does exist. Undoubtedly; under the roof of your skull where he resides an should be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :)
@@walterdaems57 Nobody thinks about religious matters and God more than atheists. Their entire identities seem to be enmeshed in the non existence of something they don't believe exists. They literally seem to enjoy being emotionally negatively invested in the whole concept of religion and God. It is almost sadistic how much atheists enjoy being unpleasant towards people they will never meet. Most normal human beings just go on with their lives once they have settled the non existence of something they don't believe exists. You know, kind of like my friends that believe in bigfoot. I literally let them know I don't believe in Bigfoot and that's that. I don't try to mind control them and ridicule them out of their belief. Only a psychopath does that. I think that's what atheists are. They literally can't stand that anyone can believe in a sky daddy because that sky daddy offends every atheist. Well I say if you don't believe in sky daddy then don't. But I'm pretty sure you will continue to feel emotions towards religion because you get off on it. It's who you are. Hilarious, hahahaha!
I think this Creationist is simply lying about his encounter with the atheist professor of philosophy.
A creationist lying? That would be a first! ... today... no actually in the last hour...
Sometime I go for compulsory factchecking even wen they just say theyr names. That's the measure of my distrust.
What a surprise 😂😂😂
You said that the bible is a absolute truth. It is not. As you have not demonstrated anything of as an absolute truth. Do you enjoy just lying to people?
Atheism is oftentimes branded as a “logical conclusion” but, in my experience, it’s the most emotional. Moreover, its advocacy is generally upheld by negative emotions.
I say this not as derision, but an empathetic reflection as someone who used to be there and as an observer of those who choose to remain.
"but, in my experience" Translation: They are debunking everything I claim, make them stop my feelings are getting hurt.
Nothing to do with emotion, just lack of any evidence.
@@DeconvertedMan "Nothing to do with emotion, just lack of any evidence." translates to I've ignored scientific evidence and historical evidence so I can live however I want.
@@lostinthoughts3808 What historical and scientific evidence?
@@DeconvertedMan The Scientific evidence is that the Universe is finely tuned, if the number of gravity was changed by 10 to the 40th power, stars wouldn't exist. Science also discovered that the universe isn't eternal, it had a beginning, which means that space, matter, and time didn't exist before but then appeared along side the big bang. More on the Big Bang, if the expansion rate was changed by 1 part in a thousand, million, million second, the universe would have collapsed in on itself and/or wouldn't have formed galaxies. In addition to all this, we know the universe was created, which means there was nothing at one point, so you can believe that something can come from nothing, or that it comes from something/someone. After examining the scientific evidence (theres more than this as well) you are more likely to find waldo in the observable universe. So now that we know, through scientific evidence, that the universe was created, how do we know which religion to be true or if any are even true? Historic evidence supports Jesus Christ. Saul, before becoming Paul, persecuted the early Christians, but then over night decided to become a Christian. Paul abandoned his entire faith, prestige and power (he was a pharisee and a roman citizen, very well off man) to follow Christ. Why would the early church fathers, even abandon their religion anyway? they were Jews in a jewish nation, being controlled by a pagan empire. They didn't gain anything from it, they didn't gain women, they didn't gain money, they didn't power. The apostles only gained persecution, and beatings, and died as martyrs. Would you die for a known lie?
Grifter Calvin even has to make up a bad story to defend the terrible story he pretends to believe in.
Sophistry.
Atheism isn't a worldview, it's the absence of theism. It's answering "no" to the question "do you believe in any gods?".
everyone is going to have a worldview. Saying "no" to the idea of a creator, inherently means that you accept a naturalistic explanation for the existence of the universe and life within said universe.
@@Doc-Holliday1851It's a no regarding a believe in a creator.
And there's no dogma that bounds the idea of naturalism to atheism that I'm aware of? Can you provide one?
You can reject naturalism and sill be an atheist
And while I agree that atheism is certainly a part of a worldview usally an Worldview entails positive ideas/views on the world not the absence (which atheism is)...
My answer to the question is No ...i myself have not seen evidence of a God existing in all of my life ... and to take as evidence to people from over 2000 years ago which wrote in text or scrolls from uneducated illiterate goat & sheep herders that knew nothing of science & technology or the physics of how nature works that is known and proved just does not convince my own intelligence even just using common sense & logic without science that a imaginary Entity exists as is the reason of the beginning of the unknown .
No, it absolutely does not. It simply means I don't blindly accept, or believe what you're peddling. @@Doc-Holliday1851
Why do 100% of atheists believe that Earth is a spinning ball, when they have never seen it with their own eyes? Blind faith?
No one "knows" anything because people made up everything people believe.
People share beliefs. That's all.
Tell me: where was 'god' when 6 million of his chosen people were brutally murdered by Nazis? Looking the other way? Why, for heavens sake? And why would a god almighty ask for worshipping and offerings? Doesn't make sense. Enjoy your afterlife, stay safe and have a nice day. (An intelligent existence outside of time and space...? Nothing?... God?...)
You're still thinking of death like an atheist. Like that's the end of the whole length for someone, rather than the beginning of forever.
Psalm 116:15
[15] Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of his saints.
@@Feraeondyou are right, it's even worse since those jews are now in hell
@@Feraeond "Psalm 116:15" Fairy tales invented by ancient superstitious goat herders who didn't know where sun goes at night. It means literally nothing.
"rather than the beginning of forever." I really wish your that come true for you. So you can regret your wishes for eternity. Because there can't be worse hell than exists forever.
5:02 and disaster strikes for the theist. How can something "exist" outside of time? Existence is predicated on place and time. For something to "exist" without time is to say it doesn't exist at all. Subsequently, what does it mean for something which exists "outside of time" to interact entities that exist *within* time? How does that work? If this is the definition of god that theists use, I see no reason to give credence to any arguments past it. If we're going to argue about something, I need to understand how that something can even exist, and from this definition, I can't *possibly* understand how that something exists.
Do you know your argument is true?
@@calvinsmith7575Should be easy enough to defeat this:
Provide something demonstratable real existing outside of space and time...
You touch on one evidence of the God of the Bible being described as eternal/timeless. None of us alive today or in recorded history could attest to that concept even being conceivable outside divine revelation, because there is no concept of timelessness for any existence prior to the recording of the eternal God revealed in the Bible. You make an unsupported claim that existence is impossible without space and time, yet such an entity existing has already been claimed to exist by His own prophets, and you have no evidence to assume they could have imagined the idea of eternity otherwise. You even support that unlikelihood by making a naturalistic presupposition that existence outside time and space is impossible.
The Earth is stationary.
All wonders of univese questions, where is life where is god where is timetravel where are wormholes, all these are possible but are out of the bound of universe that we see.God is beautiful who made the world so beautiful but we cannot see or find god because of our bounds.god can make everything possible but has averted those not so beautful possibilities. Those may have destroyed what we see now.Ultimately it is god that has made universe and what we do is not what god did or does. God can do all and will do what has been done so far.God actions at distance and time and we are controlled by limits or our universe when we reach them else we can do what we want to with our lives.God is good but has left us for some other work here.
we cannot see or find god.
ok, then how the hell do you know what you're talking about if we cannot see or find god? do you know what a contradiction is? apparently not!!
Does the "bearing false witness" commandment have a loophole if the lie involves inventing an imaginary opponent in an imaginary debate? As in, since he never existed, you're technically not bearing false witness against your neighbor?
I know that you're targeting a generally poorly educated audience, but even your marks should be able to spot the hole in your story, given minimal prompting. If you're caricatured opponent in your imaginary discussion had been presented as a professor of chemistry or education, you might have got away with it. But you had to make him a professor of *philosophy.* Folks, one of the earliest epistemological concepts anyone studying philosophy must wrestle with is solipsism - the whole "brain in the jar" concept. How do we know that anything outside our own mind actually exists?
There's no way in God's green hell that ANY professor of philosophy is going to be dumbstruck by some inappropriately confident motivational speaker trying to play gotcha with solipsism. It's not that there's a single correct response, nor am I claiming that it's an easy topic, but no professor of philosophy has ever been or ever will be caught flat-footed by what Calvin no doubts imagines to be a very clever ploy indeed. He will have had this conversation, at some length, to every group of student to whom he taught introductory epistemology.
It's a bit like asking a history professor "how do you know the event mentioned in this document REALLY happened?" The answer may be long and complicated, but it's fundamental to his field of study, and he'll have discussed it with every group of students to whom he introduced the study of history.
So here's the challenge to Answers in Genesis and Calvin Smith: produce this supposed professor of philosophy. Name him. Let's let him corroborate Calvin's story. It's unbelievable on its face, but it would be uncharitable to not give you the chance to support this remarkable story.
Why on earth did this guy recount this "story" like narrating the bad guy in a kids book to preschoolers. This is supposed to be adult conversation correct?
Sadly, no. Much of content like this is catering to childrens, or better to parents to force theyr children on absorbing it. Just hear how he speaks, with that condescending tone of "i'm talking to preschoolers". If not blatantly so like in the case of "Dr. O".
Dear…. ?? I’m very impressed. You do a good job of exposing the hypocrisy and nonsense of the nonbeliever. Keep it up. 👍
Knowing what? Is being not convinced about something knowing about that something?
If you know there is a god you should be able to prove it. But so far not a shred of evidence.
It is proven amply. Just not by the naturalistic standards of proof you have arbitrarily decided are the only valid kind. Nor do you even adhere to such limited standards of proof for what you believe if you examine your own soul.
Its not a worldview.
everyone is going to have a worldview. Saying "no" to the idea of a creator, inherently means that you accept a naturalistic explanation for the existence of the universe and life within said universe.
@@Doc-Holliday1851 Yes and no.
You are correct that people have some sort of worldview. However you are incorrect to say that non-belief in god is, in and-of-itself informative to what that world view will be.
I do not have to think there is a natural explanation for the universe, or anything else for that matter, I could believe in some non-natural thing that is not a god or would not be seen as a god. I could think magic did it. Or that its a result of something natural, but impossible, like a time traveler paradox where someone comes back in time to start the universe.
It could be any number of things including that I hold no belief regarding how the universe came to be, that is to say, I could hold in question the final judgement of "how" since I do not have enough data to make any conclusion on the matter.
Atheist is not a worldview because the only thing it takes to be one is not thinking there is a god.
You could think there is an afterlife, or supernatural things, a devil, you could think there is any number of things as long as that thing is not god, you qualify as an atheist.
So... its not a worldview.
Nor is theism.
Yes, belief in a god is in and of itself not enough to make a worldview.
There are worldviews that theists hold of all sorts. One could believe in a god that is purely natural and still be a theist.
@@DeconvertedMan how does one become or support one's atheistic stance of rejecting the concept of a creator?
@@Doc-Holliday1851 becoming an atheist is simple, you stop believing in god, or perhaps you never were told the concept in the first place thus never believed it. As far as supporting that stance, that is also simple, I have no evidence of a "god" that I know of. As far as the concept of a creator I know I had two: my parents. But other then that I do not know about a "god".
By listening, reading, and concluding that the whole thing sounds ridiculous.@@Doc-Holliday1851
What you're saying is atheism is ignorance? Check your dictionnary again
This is just apologetic sophistry. Yes, I might discover some fact or facts in the future that will compel me to give up my belief in heliocentrism; in a round Earth; in a 4.5 billion year old Earth; in continental drift; in evolution. It's unreasonable to doubt these things just because they _could_ be wrong when there's so much evidence that they are right.
Heliocentricity=supported by scientific evidence
Continental drift=supported by evidence
Round earth=supported by evidence
Billions of years=theory invented in the 1800's and rubber stamped by faulty/contradictory radiometric dating methods to gain authority.
Sneaking a false claim into the midst of more obvious facts is a clever trick.
All fine and dandy, except, Atheism is not a worldview. In that sense, because you conflate Atheism with things such as evolution, your point fails.
If a person does not like steak, it does not mean they must be vegan, anymore than if a person does not buy what your good book is selling, that they must be an evolutionist.
Atheism isn't a world view? If that's true then why oppose the Christian "good book" with sarcasm? You atheists have far too much emotional investment in your "not a world view" . It's very boring.
It does though. Atheism depending on evolution is as linked as the fact that a non-steak eater also doesn't like to use utensils to eat steak. In order to bring about the universe using only naturalism, the only notion that has become mistakenly believable to achieve that is evolution. If there is another atheistic explanation, I'm all ears.
@@Feraeondsome atheists think life came to earth from aliens, somehow
But evolution has nothing to do with atheism, lol
@@Feraeond
Wow... Any dressing for that word salad?
Contemplate the contradictions
A thoughtful person who thinks about God cannot help but notice the amazing contradictions. They are everywhere you look.
Here is one very simple example. On the day Moses comes down from Mount Sinai with the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, he discovers that the Israelites have created a golden calf. To punish the people, Moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of Exodus, Chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary.
When you look at slavery, you get the same feeling of total contradiction. It is obvious to modern human beings that slavery is an abomination. The fact that God is a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible shows us that God is imaginary.
A recent issue of Christianity Today featured this cover:
The cover story is: 5 Reasons Torture Is Always Wrong.
If you think about it, you can see the contradiction here. What does God plan to do to people who do not accept Jesus Christ as their savior? According to the Christian faith, he plans to torture them for eternity in the fires of hell. Since we all know that torture is always wrong, we have a contradiction.
According to Genesis, God also tortures all women for eternity with painful childbirth. For her trangression of eating the fruit, God says to Eve:
"I will greatly increase your pains in Childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children."
This, of course, is torture. Inflicting excruciating pain on someone as punishment is the dictionary definition of torture, as you can see here:
torture: Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
So, according to the Bible, God is the universe's all-powerful torturer. Unfortunately, according to Christianity Today, torture is always wrong. The fact that a perfect God is doing something that is always wrong shows you the contradiction.
If you would simply look at and accept how obvious these contradictions are, you can see the truth: God is imaginary. The evidence is all around you.
Understanding the Rationalizations
It has actually been stated by one reader that Hell does not involve torture. "Hell is nothing more than a separation from God, not a fiery place of torture," according to the reader. Therefore, in his mind, he is able to rationalize that God is not a torturer.
In order to believe this rationalization, this reader has to completely ignore the Bible. If you read the Bible, you cannot miss the fact that Hell is a place of torture. According to the Bible, Hell is a place of eternal torment. Here are several Bible verses that describe Hell:
And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. (Matthew 3:12)
The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)
So it will be at the end of the age; the angels shall come forth, and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:49-50)
A place of unquenchable fire is, obviously, a place or torture.
What you need to do is stop rationalizing and accept the evidence that you see everywhere. God is imaginary. All of the contradictions in your religion prove it.
Wait…. You’re using logic again. Just go on faith. 😂😂😂😂😂
Can’t even believe the cocky, idiotic tone of this guy
About the golden calf contradiction : I assume that maybe at the time of the commandments, religions were defining rules only for communities, they didn't have (yet) an ambition of being universal. In other words, if you adhere to the rules, if you're a member of the club, don't do bad things to your fellow believers... but for miscreants it's open bar. That's why I'm wary around religions (especially the 3 having the supposedly same god), there is often a hint of a "we are the only good people" mentality.
Your whole argument is based on the false supposition that God as Creator does not retain the right to do with creation what He wills, including what He forbids creatures to do.
Romans 9:21
[21] Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
If you will now say that makes for a cruel God, you are the moral authority over God. If it were true that God is not real and only figments of what you would consider cruel imaginations, this would be cause to grumble. But the god of your mind is not the Living God and it is He, not you, who declares what is righteousness.
@@Feraeond So in a nutshell you are saying that god is an all powerful @asshole bully who likes to play the same silly games that kids play with ants, the sun and a magnifying glass, or kids catching grasshoppers and pulling off their legs?
More hand waving and philosophical slight of hand from this ideological snake oil salesman.
LmFaO, LoFL Ha Haaa. "Absolute truth"?? What one believes to be true should be based on solid, verifiable FACTS and EVIDENCE. Biblical texts, any religious texts for that matter, are merely claims that have no factual evidence to support them. In addition, one can not use a claim to prove the claim, it doesn't work that way, it must be substantiated with research and evidence.
Howsabout you do that research and evidence? =D
@humanitysenterprise Many if us, including I, have done just that.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Good! =D
Peer reviewed research perhaps? Many different independent verifying testimonies of what facts are being claimed? Yes, that is exactly what the Bible is with its various writers and witnesses.
I do believe in God. I believe he created the universe and all living things. To know him, it's better to study nature than the Bible.
The Bible was written by men, Nature was "written" by God.
If you sincerely love God, stay away from men who speak in his name and don't know him. They are liars and blasphemers!
Wrong. God used human hands to write his words through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
There’s no difference between a middle aged women who’s convinced that her Nigerian love scammer is a Captain, CEO or member of the special forces even when she is confronted with a mountain of facts and a theist. That’s believing for you my friend and it’s a very sad choice. Because look where it brought you today: the idea that a celestial wizard shook the universe out of his sleeve and the preposterous belief that a mediocre prophet was the son of a non existing entity. Great work!
@@walterdaems57 If what you say is true then why would you waste even one second of your time opining about it? Why invest the time to ridicule this non existent entity if he doesn't exist? Nobody thinks about God more than atheists do, yet they spend all this time commenting about how much he doesn't exist. Don't you have something you actually believe in that you could spend your time commenting on? Would that not be a better use of your time and emotion? You seem very sarcastic and negative in your need to ridicule what doesn't exist. Are you this emotionally invested in the non existence of other non existent entities?
Any one who does not think like me has a weak worldview.
Maybe you should ask yourself why do you believe in mythical creatures and old book full of bullshit like the bible.
this is a made up story, did not happen. first the guy is a pro at the uni next door, then he is one AT the place your at then also when you tell him atheisem is a world view he didn't correct you, so I know your story is made up bullshit.
I suspect the story about the confrontational philosophy professor is made up, because many other apologists have told the same story, with only slight variations. And the whole thing is a variation on the argument that unless you possess all knowledge inherent in the universe, a god may exist in some heretofore unexplored corner. Besides being a "god of the gaps" argument, it's also a logical fallacy where you're shifting the burden of proof to those who aren't convinced of your claims. It sounds sophisticated, but it really is a bad argument.
In order to deny God, the atheists pretend to be God, they act as if they know all the secrets and inner workings of the universe. In order to properly deny God, unicorns, dragons, Bigfoot, etc, you would have to have godlike powers to see into every light spectrum and corner of the universe, therefore becoming God! The atheists are trapped in the logical fallacy of Reductio ad absurdum.
@@taylenvila3915This is sarcasm , right ?
@@taylenvila3915do you think you are vishnu, or this only applies to your religion
@@randomusername3873 No, I am not Ganapati, or any of his avatars.
There is also the reversed god of the gaps: You don't know everything, Therefore there could be something out there that disproves the existence of god. If one wants to say that's impossible, that one has to bring evidence he's allknowing. And no, god didn't gave special powers to believers, that one have to demonstrated too AFTER bringing evidence of god's existence. First prove your god exists, than demonstrate he gave special all-knowing powers to you, and good luck with that I guess. That's how I answer to those "yOu DoN't KnOw EvErYtHiNg" kind of people... neither do you my dear. And of the two, it's them making an unjustified assumption.
N/B : Atheists in the comments after watching will be experiencing cognitive dissonance not being able to hold the weight of what they just heard
Contemplate the contradictions
A thoughtful person who thinks about God cannot help but notice the amazing contradictions. They are everywhere you look.
Here is one very simple example. On the day Moses comes down from Mount Sinai with the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, he discovers that the Israelites have created a golden calf. To punish the people, Moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of Exodus, Chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
So... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." Then the next minute we have God telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. Wouldn't you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? 3,000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. Obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary.
When you look at slavery, you get the same feeling of total contradiction. It is obvious to modern human beings that slavery is an abomination. The fact that God is a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible shows us that God is imaginary.
A recent issue of Christianity Today featured this cover:
The cover story is: 5 Reasons Torture Is Always Wrong.
If you think about it, you can see the contradiction here. What does God plan to do to people who do not accept Jesus Christ as their savior? According to the Christian faith, he plans to torture them for eternity in the fires of hell. Since we all know that torture is always wrong, we have a contradiction.
According to Genesis, God also tortures all women for eternity with painful childbirth. For her trangression of eating the fruit, God says to Eve:
"I will greatly increase your pains in Childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children."
This, of course, is torture. Inflicting excruciating pain on someone as punishment is the dictionary definition of torture, as you can see here:
torture: Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
So, according to the Bible, God is the universe's all-powerful torturer. Unfortunately, according to Christianity Today, torture is always wrong. The fact that a perfect God is doing something that is always wrong shows you the contradiction.
If you would simply look at and accept how obvious these contradictions are, you can see the truth: God is imaginary. The evidence is all around you.
Understanding the Rationalizations
It has actually been stated by one reader that Hell does not involve torture. "Hell is nothing more than a separation from God, not a fiery place of torture," according to the reader. Therefore, in his mind, he is able to rationalize that God is not a torturer.
In order to believe this rationalization, this reader has to completely ignore the Bible. If you read the Bible, you cannot miss the fact that Hell is a place of torture. According to the Bible, Hell is a place of eternal torment. Here are several Bible verses that describe Hell:
And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. (Matthew 3:12)
The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:41-42)
So it will be at the end of the age; the angels shall come forth, and take out the wicked from among the righteous, and will cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matthew 13:49-50)
A place of unquenchable fire is, obviously, a place or torture.
What you need to do is stop rationalizing and accept the evidence that you see everywhere. God is imaginary. All of the contradictions in your religion prove it.
Moses didn't exist. No group ever wondered about the desert. Escape this nonsense and be free.
I don't think you grasp the concept of 'cognitive dissonance'. You might want to read more about it.
The weight of what I just heard, is slightly less than a feather.
@philipgrobler7253 Your whole argument is based on the false supposition that God as Creator does not retain the right to do with creation what He wills, including what He forbids creatures to do.
Romans 9:21
[21] Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
If you will now say that makes for a cruel God, you are the moral authority over God. If it were true that God is not real and only figments of what you would consider cruel imaginations, this would be cause to grumble. But the god of your mind is not the Living God and it is He, not you, who declares what is righteousness.
Poor Calvin.
The -"If you dont know everything, you cannot know anything"- argument, is a CREATIONIST APOLOGETIC.
And you know it.
Stop strawmanning.
If things weren't created, how did matter first appear? Atheist miracle?
@@taylenvila3915 Matter was formed. Matter is formed all the time, pure physics. And it's scientific thing, it has nothing to do with atheism.😀
@@taylenvila3915
"if"
Many things are created. So your first non-point is dealt with.
Matter is a state of energy. It first appeared when the universe cooled to the point that electrons and neutrons could form. The universe cooled.
What is "Atheist miracle"?
Please define your term.
@@Seticzech Physics doesn't explain how matter was first created though, or do atheists believe that matter has always existed, and then randomly one day for no reason at all became organized and lead to consciousness?
@@taylenvila3915 "Physics doesn't explain how matter was first created" Of course it does. Between about 10-12 and 10-6 second after the beginning of Big Bang, neutrinos, quarks, and electrons FORMED, not created. Stop babbling about creation, absolutely nothing suggests creation.
"do atheists believe that matter has always existed" Again: this has NOTHING to do with atheism. Are you really that supld or what? And no, matter formed during early stages of Big Bang, but this is SCIENTIFIC question, not atheistic.
"and then randomly one day for no reason at all became organized and lead to consciousness?" Wow, you have no idea about anything from science. Homeschooled? 😀Nothing is organized anywhere, everything is one big chaos. It only APPEARS to be organised until you look closely. Quantum physics, on which the whole universe is "built" (virtually speaking, universe was not built by something of course) is one big mess.
The weakest worldview by far would be the one that believes in fairy tales 1000% and faith. Just another fail at trying to prove a GOD!
atheism is NOT a world view.
You "view" the "world" through a lens which tells you "there is no God who made all of this." That's a worldview. It's pretty simple.
@@emanuelsagan3733 on the contrary. you're the one who looks at the world through a lense ... a biblical lense. not to mention your particular denomination lense. us atheists look at the world as it is in reality and take it as it comes with absolutely no wishful thinking for an unproven deity to figure out our problems. we take responsibility for our actions. do you, or are you supposedly forgiven for being a despicable person through your god? it would be nice if you christians could understand the concept of independent thought.
@@cliftongaither6642 perhaps you should come to understand what the term "worldview" means and then get back to me
@@emanuelsagan3733 i personally don't look at life as a psychological means to philosophize a meaning to it. is that what you mean by "i should come to understand the term what world view means?"
And you "view" the "world" through a lens which tells you "there is no leprechaun with a pot of gold on the other side of the rainbow." That's a worldview. It's pretty simple @@emanuelsagan3733
this dude, is a liar.
They all are. The dishonesty of apologetics is as astounding as the deity they worship. If the existence of a god is true, many of them will be spending eternity without their guy.
@@pauliemurphy4787there guy isnt real, and the arguments still suck! :D also this dude is a liar.
Noooo! A creationist lying? It didn't happen from... well... last hour. Ok, that was fast. Lying has to be theyr worldview!
@@kregorovillupo3625 haha
I'm just sure the god of the bible is not a real god
What do you know for certain that an atheist can't, absolute rubbish, there is theory and assumption but you definitely have no more certainty than an atheist, and just as much uncertainty as there is no proof god exists. 'Clever' use of words doesn't make your position stronger, just proves the lie.