Thanks Adrian for a very informative video. You have inspired me to breath some new life into my Pogue. Have had it since new, but it’s been in the drawer for about 10 years.
Wow what some useful tips. Always wanted one of the the pouge in particular. Bought one off Ebay my heart was sinking when watching your video. But so far it all stacks up apart from the inner ring, it turns both ways then slows down, then try again and it moves, so intermittent I would say any thoughts . Cheers
Yeah they're a real minefield these days. It pays to research, research, research, then research some more. The aftermarket dials are pretty good these days which makes things more difficult.
Great video. I wish I had seen this video before purchasing a Frankenpogue. My blue "Pogue" has the faded "white" inner bezel and a yellow (not red) minute hand.
It's getting much harder to find them now with a good rotating ring. There is now an aftermarket ring from PH which is fairly good, but still differs enough you can tell the difference at any more than a glancing distance.
Great video! Do you think it'd be worth (if the case and movement are in good shape) sourcing the NOS parts and trying to fix it up? I bought one that the seller was totally honest about and said it had a refurb dial and bezel insert, and I'd like to get it back to all original parts at some point. Paid 300 for it. Thanks for the help!
Nope. The NOS parts are now extremely difficult to find. They come up maybe 2-3 times a year at best. When looking at it from a purely maths point of view, you end up way behind rather than just buying a decent used example going this way. The rotating rings sell for $120-150 when they can be found, dials a similar price. On a good day you can get a good example for $450US-700US. So if you buy a junker, then put in another few hundred to fix it, you're behind and it's not even serviced and possibly has other issues. Just get a good one and go from there. Dial and rotating ring are the KEY things to look for. Anything else is fairly easy to find. I know this isn't the answer you want but I'm just being straight up here. I'd move it on and look for a better example for a bit more. Forums are the key here to getting a good deal. Ebay is ripoff city. The yellow version is more common as they are less prone to fading than the midnight blue. The yellow rotating ring fades to a pale yellow, the midnight blue version goes grey and just looks terrible.
sounds like you need to look for a scrapper that has a good dial and inner bezel, look for cold climate watches as they are less faded in colour, GB, CA, EU... Time is the essence here and spending a load of time, is needed hunting to find real decent used stuff.... You have150 to spend to get it right and in pocket, plus 175+ to get it stripped and serviced... Best of luck
I've got a 6139 pogue sunburst 1972 and a speed timer 1972 both Japanese market 211 jewel, both real good condition, plus a 6139 7010... I got the speed timer stripped and oiled and got to save a bit of money for the other two, but they are solid good honest watches, never opened except the 7010, I wear the two pogue watches one on each wrist... I wondered if you would do a vid on how to change a glass on a 6139 and outer bezel, I've found the true colour of the inner yellow bezels as the bit that is covered from the sun stays the original colour, thanks again mate from England for the help you have given me in my search for good Seiko's... Oh I did work out how much they cost originally and that was $125 American dollars £193.00 pounds sterling each: back in 1972 which equates with inflation to £725.00 pounds sterling each in today's money.... WOW, a hell of a lot of money back in the day and would have been two months wages when I was in the Army in 1972... No wonder Col Pogue put his on layaway, even he could not afford to buy his 6139 outright... Thanks mate....
Yes. Take the movement out, pop the bezel, and it's just held in with a rubber seal. Make sure you take the movement out as it's easy to damage the dial trying to do the job with the movement in.
took me just over a year to find mine mate, the pogue sunburst took the longest to find.... Either too expensive or too messed about, but got there.... Watch out on eBay for the shilling practices, sellers bumping your prices up with separate accounts, you can read about shilling on youtube.... I lost my old eBay account to shilling, as someone bumped my price up and I refused to pay for the watch, so watch out for people bumping their own prices up and watch for the Franken watches that are about... I found the best countries for the sunburst are cold climates as the yellow bezels have hardly been affected by the sun bleach and had less chance of water ingress, tip if the loom look on your dial is dark or black colour it means water got in........ even just vapour: and the black is a mould on the lume. Don't worry if the face is scratched bad and if the watch is grease dirty that means it is honest and all can be replaced or cleaned up... Sticking buttons are mostly body grease... Best of luck mate, it is a joy when you get them on your wrist eventualy, like old friends.....
The original bracelets costs are really well over what they are worth. Don't be anal and really the Philippine replacement will do OK with an extender,, until Seiko brings a reissue of the original plus, plus size as they where originally made for Eastern sized wrists , not Aussie or Western size.. Your doing a good job for a Banana Bender.
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Thank you for posting these. You are doing the watch collector community a great favor. 😎
Thanks!
Thanks Adrian for a very informative video.
You have inspired me to breath some new life into my Pogue.
Have had it since new, but it’s been in the drawer for about 10 years.
Awesome!
Wow what some useful tips. Always wanted one of the the pouge in particular. Bought one off Ebay my heart was sinking when watching your video. But so far it all stacks up apart from the inner ring, it turns both ways then slows down, then try again and it moves, so intermittent I would say any thoughts . Cheers
Just looking around of these on Ebay. Exactly like yours so cobbled together. Glad I caught your video. Nice one.
Yeah they're a real minefield these days. It pays to research, research, research, then research some more. The aftermarket dials are pretty good these days which makes things more difficult.
Great hints and tips! Ta.
Great video. I wish I had seen this video before purchasing a Frankenpogue. My blue "Pogue" has the faded "white" inner bezel and a yellow (not red) minute hand.
It's getting much harder to find them now with a good rotating ring. There is now an aftermarket ring from PH which is fairly good, but still differs enough you can tell the difference at any more than a glancing distance.
The original small hand on the pogue, the one he wore in space must have been replaced also it's not tear dropped.
Great video! Do you think it'd be worth (if the case and movement are in good shape) sourcing the NOS parts and trying to fix it up? I bought one that the seller was totally honest about and said it had a refurb dial and bezel insert, and I'd like to get it back to all original parts at some point. Paid 300 for it. Thanks for the help!
Nope. The NOS parts are now extremely difficult to find. They come up maybe 2-3 times a year at best. When looking at it from a purely maths point of view, you end up way behind rather than just buying a decent used example going this way. The rotating rings sell for $120-150 when they can be found, dials a similar price. On a good day you can get a good example for $450US-700US. So if you buy a junker, then put in another few hundred to fix it, you're behind and it's not even serviced and possibly has other issues. Just get a good one and go from there. Dial and rotating ring are the KEY things to look for. Anything else is fairly easy to find.
I know this isn't the answer you want but I'm just being straight up here. I'd move it on and look for a better example for a bit more.
Forums are the key here to getting a good deal. Ebay is ripoff city.
The yellow version is more common as they are less prone to fading than the midnight blue. The yellow rotating ring fades to a pale yellow, the midnight blue version goes grey and just looks terrible.
sounds like you need to look for a scrapper that has a good dial and inner bezel, look for cold climate watches as they are less faded in colour, GB, CA, EU... Time is the essence here and spending a load of time, is needed hunting to find real decent used stuff.... You have150 to spend to get it right and in pocket, plus 175+ to get it stripped and serviced... Best of luck
Thanks! I got it in and the reset and bezel rotating are stiff which made me gunshy, so I'll be sending it back anyway. I appreciate the honesty
great vid mate, it has helped me in not getting Frankenstein watches its good to look on eBay and find the troubled watches... Thanks again
Thanks! I'm trying to do my bit to stop people getting ripped off with these.
I've got a 6139 pogue sunburst 1972 and a speed timer 1972 both Japanese market 211 jewel, both real good condition, plus a 6139 7010... I got the speed timer stripped and oiled and got to save a bit of money for the other two, but they are solid good honest watches, never opened except the 7010, I wear the two pogue watches one on each wrist... I wondered if you would do a vid on how to change a glass on a 6139 and outer bezel, I've found the true colour of the inner yellow bezels as the bit that is covered from the sun stays the original colour, thanks again mate from England for the help you have given me in my search for good Seiko's... Oh I did work out how much they cost originally and that was $125 American dollars £193.00 pounds sterling each: back in 1972 which equates with inflation to £725.00 pounds sterling each in today's money.... WOW, a hell of a lot of money back in the day and would have been two months wages when I was in the Army in 1972... No wonder Col Pogue put his on layaway, even he could not afford to buy his 6139 outright... Thanks mate....
Great video!
I have a question its easy to change the glass?
Yes. Take the movement out, pop the bezel, and it's just held in with a rubber seal. Make sure you take the movement out as it's easy to damage the dial trying to do the job with the movement in.
Great vid as usual, cheers. Still looking for mine. Dan Gardiner.
You'll find it. There's ALWAYS another one. Dial and rotating ring are the key.
took me just over a year to find mine mate, the pogue sunburst took the longest to find.... Either too expensive or too messed about, but got there.... Watch out on eBay for the shilling practices, sellers bumping your prices up with separate accounts, you can read about shilling on youtube.... I lost my old eBay account to shilling, as someone bumped my price up and I refused to pay for the watch, so watch out for people bumping their own prices up and watch for the Franken watches that are about... I found the best countries for the sunburst are cold climates as the yellow bezels have hardly been affected by the sun bleach and had less chance of water ingress, tip if the loom look on your dial is dark or black colour it means water got in........ even just vapour: and the black is a mould on the lume. Don't worry if the face is scratched bad and if the watch is grease dirty that means it is honest and all can be replaced or cleaned up... Sticking buttons are mostly body grease... Best of luck mate, it is a joy when you get them on your wrist eventualy, like old friends.....
Great video! cant thank you enough for the knowledge :)
No problem, glad you found it useful.
Are you still servicing the 6139..?
Very informative, thanks!
No problems, glad you enjoyed it!
when will seiko make a re issue of this watch? it should be soon shouldnt it?
I think people are making bets on 2019, as it's the 50th anniversary. Expect a special edition with limited units for around 5k US$.
I have the same watch since 1974 now what will be price now
How long is a piece of string? Just depends on condition, anywhere from 500USD to maybe 1500USD
The original bracelets costs are really well over what they are worth. Don't be anal and really the Philippine replacement will do OK with an extender,, until Seiko brings a reissue of the original plus, plus size as they where originally made for Eastern sized wrists , not Aussie or Western size.. Your doing a good job for a Banana Bender.
Only the yellow dial should be called a Pogue
excellent watch better than original beautiful
Thanks!
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