After spending nearly sixteen years of my Merchant Navy career carrying bauxite betweenWeipa and Gladstone in a steamy engine room the Pogue watch I had been given for my 21st birthdays starting to look a bit worse for wear especially the red part of the bezel which had hit too many valve wheels during opening and closing operations. Being given a really good redundancy offer I accepted and handed my position over to a Chinese engineer with a hope that he lived long enough to go home on leave. One of the first things I did when all moneys owing to me had been deposited into my bank account, I bought an IWC Mk XV (which started another story of woe) and the Pogue was put on a watch winder and looked at every so often. As time went on I decided like all good engineers to get everything mechanical in my life in order. With the steadily reducing number of competent watch repairers I settled on a repaired I'd used before and was very happy with, he convinced me to order a "new" bezel which I am sure will stand out like a shilling on a sweeps backside, however it's the forty years of abuse on the workings I'm more interested in having fixed. You know it's funny when having a copy bracelet fitted ,even if it was made in the Phillipines, I looked at the watch and thought Geez it still looks good.
This video, and the others are invaluable. Thanks. I just bought one off eBay. It's off a seller that does a lot of them, has good feedback. I can send it back for a full refund, it only arrived today. Seller was quite open that the watch has been restored with some aftermarket parts. Good to know from your videos what the aftermarket bits are (hands, crown, dial possibly, although its way better than the one you showed, orangey rotating bezel- definitely) BUT everything works as it should and it looks really nice! I paid the going rate for it as a non original one. I would never go in the water/ rain with a watch this age anyway, I might actually keep it if a few days wear doesn't show any major faults.
i am bidding on a poque from an estate auction. the picture are grainy but looks like it may be original. seems like a better place than ebay to get an original example. ANy idea what I ahould pay for an estate find poque?
Hi, do you have inner rotating ring extra for sale ? I saw you have few in you’re box that’s why I’m asking. It’s impossible to find to I had to order after market but it’s kinda orange!
My metal seiko logo on the dial is a little bent. Is there a way to bend them back or replace it with another old logo? I don't want to go with a after market dial.
Jeez, why would anyone go to the hassle of doing that when you can buy even a mineral glass replica from a watch parts house! Also FWIW there are exact replicas made in acrylic that work really well. They’re actually much better looking than the glass replicas sold and sturdy where they need to be. They’re the same shape & fit in exactly the same way as the original with the bezel clamping them down and do keep water resistance. Trouble with the glass replacements is the edges are rounded underneath and distort the chapter ring. Maybe they’d flex at diving depths but who wants to dive with a vintage Pogue! I’m happy with water resistance and a more original look with a sharp edge.
With some of the bizarre repairs I've seen, particularly with stems, it makes you wonder what the repairer was thinking when they did the work. To put it into context though, there are three reasons why you would do a crappy repair like this - 1. For years parts for these were unavailable or hard to find, we are talking pre internet (realistically 2006-2008 is when the internet hit critical mass), so there were no online or worldwide sources for the parts. Also, the casing books and case parts info was hard to come by. 2. The customer didn't want to pay much for the repair, so a not very quick, crappy fix was the answer. Until recently these watches weren't worth much, you couldn't even give them away in the 1980's. 3. Many repairers cut corners on literally everything. As for the plastic replica crystals, I have to disagree. The entire premise of a waterproof seal is that there is a hard part compressing a soft part, which forms a seal. When you have two flexible parts jammed together they move. The replica plastic crystals I've seen always fall out and I've tested them on the Witschi and they usually don't pass the vacuum test, let alone the pressure test.
Very interesting vid and explanations. Just a shame the camera can’t zoom closer so we can really see what you’re explaining. People really like info on fake spotting and a macro photo vlog would be great.
I have a super macro lens on the way. You could see it clearly in the original un-encoded video but TH-cam's algorithm has hosed the fine detail. I should add the fake dials these days are pretty good. There's still issues though like the crappy subdials and incorrect printing especially on the subdial.
I have a 6139-6002, it has the water 70 resist on the face, chromatic automatic, but the date on the back is 528092- is it possible that a 1975, bought in Canada has the face with the water resist in it? trying to see if mine is all original?
Good question. It's always hard and very emotional to quantify a true value, but ultimately the value of anything is what you can buy it for on ebay today.
Very disappointed with my decision many years ago pre-internet and TH-cam. Bought a 6139 in 1980 new and probably one of the last. Wore it pretty much everyday for about 3 years when it stopped. Never used in the water. A token look by a jeweller explained the problem, but it was so long ago I cannot remember what it was. Here is where things get a bit vague. I do remember finding it about 10 years later and taking it to another jeweller for another opinion. Again, not possible to fix for the same reason. I think I said ‘keep it for parts’ in the hope someone else would at least get their watch up and running. Fast forward to today and I now have seen through the internet what is possible repair wise, and I could now afford to do so. (I was 18 at the time of purchase). How great would it be to take that 40 year old watch with only 3 years of use, and get it running again? Grrrr... hindsight!😡
The good news is they literally made millions of these things, so parts can be sourced. These days the prices for parts are getting up there but it can be repaired. It's likely something simple.
Vintage Time Australia: Hello again and thanks for the reply. I’ve just managed to pick up a very nice looking 6002 dated 1974. Do any of your videos cover the best way to wear and maintain the watch so as to avoid the problem I had last time, leaving it for long periods unworn? I appreciate it is a 45 year old watch so is it a ‘use it or loose it’ or can I store it and use it sparingly?
These Frankenwatch dials are so badly done; colours wrong, shoddy finish and poor materials. You'd think they'd have the right equipment to do it properly, bearing in mind the amounts being punted out....
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After spending nearly sixteen years of my Merchant Navy career carrying bauxite betweenWeipa and Gladstone in a steamy engine room the Pogue watch I had been given for my 21st birthdays starting to look a bit worse for wear especially the red part of the bezel which had hit too many valve wheels during opening and closing operations. Being given a really good redundancy offer I accepted and handed my position over to a Chinese engineer with a hope that he lived long enough to go home on leave. One of the first things I did when all moneys owing to me had been deposited into my bank account, I bought an IWC Mk XV (which started another story of woe) and the Pogue was put on a watch winder and looked at every so often. As time went on I decided like all good engineers to get everything mechanical in my life in order. With the steadily reducing number of competent watch repairers I settled on a repaired I'd used before and was very happy with, he convinced me to order a "new" bezel which I am sure will stand out like a shilling on a sweeps backside, however it's the forty years of abuse on the workings I'm more interested in having fixed. You know it's funny when having a copy bracelet fitted ,even if it was made in the Phillipines, I looked at the watch and thought Geez it still looks good.
Excellent video!! Please keep producing!
This video, and the others are invaluable. Thanks. I just bought one off eBay. It's off a seller that does a lot of them, has good feedback. I can send it back for a full refund, it only arrived today. Seller was quite open that the watch has been restored with some aftermarket parts. Good to know from your videos what the aftermarket bits are (hands, crown, dial possibly, although its way better than the one you showed, orangey rotating bezel- definitely) BUT everything works as it should and it looks really nice! I paid the going rate for it as a non original one. I would never go in the water/ rain with a watch this age anyway, I might actually keep it if a few days wear doesn't show any major faults.
So interesting to see that dial construction - thanks for showing
Good video, what's the dial stamp “55“ stand for? 1975, May?
I finally subscribed, thanks for the great content!
Thank you - great video - much appreciated
No worries!
i am bidding on a poque from an estate auction. the picture are grainy but looks like it may be original. seems like a better place than ebay to get an original example. ANy idea what I ahould pay for an estate find poque?
Hi, do you have inner rotating ring extra for sale ? I saw you have few in you’re box that’s why I’m asking. It’s impossible to find to I had to order after market but it’s kinda orange!
My metal seiko logo on the dial is a little bent. Is there a way to bend them back or replace it with another old logo? I don't want to go with a after market dial.
Geday, usually they can be carefully straightened. Replacing is an option.
Jeez, why would anyone go to the hassle of doing that when you can buy even a mineral glass replica from a watch parts house! Also FWIW there are exact replicas made in acrylic that work really well. They’re actually much better looking than the glass replicas sold and sturdy where they need to be. They’re the same shape & fit in exactly the same way as the original with the bezel clamping them down and do keep water resistance.
Trouble with the glass replacements is the edges are rounded underneath and distort the chapter ring. Maybe they’d flex at diving depths but who wants to dive with a vintage Pogue! I’m happy with water resistance and a more original look with a sharp edge.
With some of the bizarre repairs I've seen, particularly with stems, it makes you wonder what the repairer was thinking when they did the work. To put it into context though, there are three reasons why you would do a crappy repair like this -
1. For years parts for these were unavailable or hard to find, we are talking pre internet (realistically 2006-2008 is when the internet hit critical mass), so there were no online or worldwide sources for the parts. Also, the casing books and case parts info was hard to come by.
2. The customer didn't want to pay much for the repair, so a not very quick, crappy fix was the answer. Until recently these watches weren't worth much, you couldn't even give them away in the 1980's.
3. Many repairers cut corners on literally everything.
As for the plastic replica crystals, I have to disagree. The entire premise of a waterproof seal is that there is a hard part compressing a soft part, which forms a seal. When you have two flexible parts jammed together they move. The replica plastic crystals I've seen always fall out and I've tested them on the Witschi and they usually don't pass the vacuum test, let alone the pressure test.
Thanks for the vid really helps!
i got a original case here with original glass for sale ???? lot of parts an movement in holland its a hard sell..
Very interesting vid and explanations. Just a shame the camera can’t zoom closer so we can really see what you’re explaining. People really like info on fake spotting and a macro photo vlog would be great.
I have a super macro lens on the way. You could see it clearly in the original un-encoded video but TH-cam's algorithm has hosed the fine detail.
I should add the fake dials these days are pretty good. There's still issues though like the crappy subdials and incorrect printing especially on the subdial.
I have a 6139-6002, it has the water 70 resist on the face, chromatic automatic, but the date on the back is 528092- is it possible that a 1975, bought in Canada has the face with the water resist in it? trying to see if mine is all original?
Anything is possible. They used stuff from the parts bins all over the shop.
For insurance reasons how do you value these, given they are a real watch.
Good question. It's always hard and very emotional to quantify a true value, but ultimately the value of anything is what you can buy it for on ebay today.
Very disappointed with my decision many years ago pre-internet and TH-cam. Bought a 6139 in 1980 new and probably one of the last. Wore it pretty much everyday for about 3 years when it stopped. Never used in the water. A token look by a jeweller explained the problem, but it was so long ago I cannot remember what it was. Here is where things get a bit vague. I do remember finding it about 10 years later and taking it to another jeweller for another opinion. Again, not possible to fix for the same reason. I think I said ‘keep it for parts’ in the hope someone else would at least get their watch up and running. Fast forward to today and I now have seen through the internet what is possible repair wise, and I could now afford to do so. (I was 18 at the time of purchase). How great would it be to take that 40 year old watch with only 3 years of use, and get it running again? Grrrr... hindsight!😡
The good news is they literally made millions of these things, so parts can be sourced. These days the prices for parts are getting up there but it can be repaired. It's likely something simple.
Vintage Time Australia: Hello again and thanks for the reply. I’ve just managed to pick up a very nice looking 6002 dated 1974. Do any of your videos cover the best way to wear and maintain the watch so as to avoid the problem I had last time, leaving it for long periods unworn? I appreciate it is a 45 year old watch so is it a ‘use it or loose it’ or can I store it and use it sparingly?
do you know where you could possibly find nos dials ?
They don't exist. I'd recommend cutting your losses on any watch that is poor cosmetically and finding a better watch.
I own this watch... 1976 US version
These Frankenwatch dials are so badly done; colours wrong, shoddy finish and poor materials. You'd think they'd have the right equipment to do it properly, bearing in mind the amounts being punted out....