Bismark on the Range: Military Aviation History Gets BotR Rifle Coaching From The Ground Up!
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Bismark of the Military Aviation History channel / bis18marck70 was filming in Switzerland, and asked me if I could get him on the range and teach him to shoot. How could I refuse such a request from a Top Bloke like himself? And it gives me an opportunity to illustrate how I train a novice (although I'm not normally constrained by having to film...)
Since he'd never shot before, we discussed the four marksmanship principles and started him off at 300m with my 7.62x51 / 308 Win M1 Garand (Beretta-made) from 10:52, then moved him on to a 7.92x57mm Mauser Kar98k for a bit of a shoulder beating from 39:37 and then the Tikka T3x Arctic in 7.62x51 / 308 Win at 57:04 for something modern! - กีฬา
Thanks for the great introduction, Bloke! Perhaps I can get some practice in for next time.
Great video, my only suggestion is use some tape of the stock to keep the check weld on consistent until it becomes muscle memory. Similar to how you knock an arrow on your face.
Not sure why he didnt have you shoot a 5.56/223, much more enjoyable to shoot
Bo Is gonna be proud you will be a Texan in no time
When you come to the US, you can shoot my ak47 and cowboy guns.
Now i know, why YT recommended your channel to me! Du bist in guter Gesellschaft! :)
I think my first shots were at 300m, not 50m. I do have muscles in my shoulder, but I protect them with an outer barrier of bone, for safety.
Oh yeah, we had you at the range on the way home at 300m, didn't we?
@@BlokeontheRange Yup. Good times. I'm having to pad my arming doublet for my 15th C breastplate. I got bruises on my collarbones when just standing still in the armour.
Eat more pies to build internal padding :)
The were getting at you.
Good sir, this comment made me laugh heartily! I will subscribe to your channel right this moment!
Perfect reaction on meeting the Kar98K: "Oh, Scheisse!"
*Late war German conscript simulator*
196gr pills are no joke!
You are a damn good coach Bloke. Cramming enough info into a lesson that the person starts to go crosseyed, but not so much that it leaks out.
Thanks. I work on a "pyramid of needs" basis, and try to impart enough info to get a new shooter going but without overwhelming them. I've been on the receiving end of "Target Pistol A-Z In 30 Minutes Of Wasted Range Time" back in the day as a teenager and spotted immediately that this was not the way to do it...
yup kann ich nur unterschreiben, hätte mir auch so einen instruktor wie dich damals im jungschützenkurs gewünscht. respekt.
@@bambam144 Gut gesacht.
14:10 I thought a vehicle drove onto the range for a moment. Just a 'RoomBa' lawnmower though.
10:24 as well.
freaked me out. Thought someone was going by in a golf cart...
i thought it wAS A GODDAMN BOM
no Swiss Goliath
@@terrygibson9111 swiss goliath cleans up rather than blows up.
Am i alone in thinking, shoot the Lawnmower it's spoiling the video? :)
Wow the collaboration we never realised we wanted. What's next then? Bloke on a plane?
Ooh, I haven't flown a plane since 1997 or 1998... That would be nice :)
Say.....wasn't there a movie made a few years ago about this very topic?
Hmmmm, what was it called? "Blokes on a Plane!"
"Once he hath smelt the smoke, he shall ne'er again be free"
From an old professional fireworks newsletter I saw 20 years ago.
Keep shooting, Bismark!
Want a Mauser with peep sights...meet the M1917.
I prefer its predecessor, the p14, but my only reason for that is that I shoot a few different .303 rifles and I like ammo compatibility
@@anthonyhayes1267 one of my buds has both and says his p14 feels much better than his p17
Or an 03a3 Springfield
A German learning to shoot on a Garand... priceless.
It's very "Early days of the Bundeswehr" :)
You need to do a step by step course for shooting, including stances.
Even though there are hundreds of videos on basic shooting on you tube, the quality of training skills vary drastically.
Your video for clear, and concise, and was not rushed.
WELL DONE.
"If I had to carry something around all day and not shoot it, it would be this one" That's actually a rather common use of a battle rifle.
this... is a collab we have never expected but not surprising
I hope Bismark decides to buy his own rifle now.
GRMGR1 too much licensing required
@@hanfpeter7585 It's not as bad as it sounds in theory. I'll advise anyone in Germany to join a gun club and get a licence. If you like shooting and if you're interested in guns, all the legal stuff is easy. And you'll also get to know a whole new group of people who are all into guns. Do it!
Gotta say I've seen you teach Lindybeige to shoot as well and you are an excellent first time shooting teacher. Non-intimidating, very analytical, knowledgable and helpful.
Bloke I’m a Marksmanship instructor in the US and on the breathing we teach to fire at the bottom of the breathing cycle. It is a more consistent point because the breath out slightly can never be the same amount shot to shot. All your other techniques are the same as I teach I think the breath out slightly is an old myth that will never die. Also I’d love to go out on the range with you someday,you’re a cheerful Bloke.
I breath out to the natural pause, and I'm pretty sure that's what I taught Chris here :)
Yes! The smell. That's one of my nice memories when shooting. I like the smell. Rifles more so than pistols.
That was the thing that struck me the first time I went shooting with the cadets... That sweet, sickly smell as you open the bolt.
I am feeling silly for not thinking about it and being surprised when someone mentions it.
i watched for half an hour without thinking of looking at the video length!
Amazing how unfazed the gardener is throughout all of this.
12:00 Bismarck has the fingertips of his left hand resting in the path of the operating rod. And he quickly discovers that's not the place for one's fingers.
I am impressed that Bernard was able to self analyse his position and correct it. I'm not surprised, it is Bernard after all, but it is hard as a beginner of anything to analyse and correct.
It's that beautifully german analytical mind at work.
My dad is German, and he always encouraged that in my self, and my brothers, yet I am still impressed to see.
@@MASSspec1990 this is not Bernhard from MHV, but Bismarck from Military Aviation History
cosmoch you are correct, I had a brain fart on names.
I enjoyed this a lot being largely self taught it's nice seeing what it is like to actually have a teacher for shooting.
I was glad to hear at the beginning that you had a 308 Garand. I was thinking about shooting a 30 06 round for the first bullet you've ever shot and might not be the most fun or the best idea. I want a Garand in .308.
good coaching
I've shot a K98 in 8x57 myself and the reaction in the video was entirely appropriate (also keine Angst "oh Scheiße" ist vollkommen angebracht für so ein Viech von Waffe). It's a hefty recoiling cartridge and it's not plesant to shoot in a boltaction. I find the swedish Mausers in 6,5x55 much more enjoyable.
that's a collab I didn't expect, awesome
I've never fired anything above a fairground .22 cartridge way back when. This was really interesting. Thx.
Superb bit of first time coaching. 👍👍👍
I'm learning a lot, thanks!
Great performance there, mister Bismark!
Also, Bloke, you are an excellent coach, wonderfully done!
A laser rifle? We're still running around with projectile rifles.
Bloke, you are a fabulous instructor. There is a great analogue between a coordinated turn in aviation and effective marksmanship.
love watching new shooters
I have spent an hour watching people fire rifles and I loved it!
I love the little Husqvarna mower that is rolling around looking for its siblings, the Swedish mausers.
Someone should put a target on top of it......
Excellent tutorial. Good info.
Onward virgin shooters, blasting on youtube.
"Ping....You broke my rifle"
You guys got some pretty snazzy ranges in Switzerland. You got fricken robot lawnmowers! lol My range is junk compared to this.
Great coaching Bloke, and MAH did very good for a first time shooting. Far better than a lot I've seen first time out.
Cool collaboration.
That was really good and whoa it's an hour later. Thanks.
I initially thought it would be a drawn out hour but I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's actually refreshing to see someone with zero experience fumble like we have.
When editing it I decided not to speed up the shooting bits to cut it down cos it flowed as-is :)
@@BlokeontheRange, mate it was great. Big ups to Bismarck for showing it warts n all
k98 was my first gun i ever shot, i developed a bit of a flinch because of it LMAO (mind you i did not have a teacher quite as good as bloke) took me a awhile to work that one out. Excellent collab
Even experienced shooters can benefit from this.
I started out with the brutal K98K growing up. Dad wanted us to learn about open battle sights and recoil management. I bet a lot of German recruits before and during WWII were shitting boots from their Drill Feldwebels on the rifle range. The American Doughboys and G.I.s had it tough with the Springfield M1903s too. Glad he used the M1 Garand which has a good butt stock and rear peep sights and manageable recoil.
This was a nice video :)
The lawnmower robot that rolled by while Bloke was talking about two-stage triggers killed me.
The M.1 Garand was a good choice for a starting rifle, that rifles recoil impulse is so smooth a child can shoot it, a nice light push, and the butt of the rifle evenly displaces the recoil in your shoulder... ...beautiful rifle to shoot.
i mean if your outfitting a few hundred thousand novice and low experience shooters....a gun that's easy to hit by a crap shooter is gonna make a massive difference.
@@milamber319
You know the Irony of all this is I was one of the fellas during the infant stages of TH-cam arguing in favor of US military equipment in comparison to German military equipment, and one of the points I consistently made... was the availability of our equipment, and how it was user friendly to a novice or experienced user.
M1 Garand vs 98K Mauser
P-51D Mustang VS ME-109
M4 Sherman VS Tiger
One of my arguments always was, we had more of them... we could better equip them to troops, troops (Or pilots) could more easily use them, we had more fuel and or ammunition to run them... and in some instances they were more reliable... making the German forces less readily and effectively equipped for that reason among many.
Yes a seasoned German soldier with a STG 44 would be very dangerous agents a American with a M.1, but how many seasoned German soldiers were there? how many STG 44s? Yes a seasoned pilot was deadly with a ME-109G-10 Messerschmitt or FW-190D-9 agents a armature pilot with a P-51D Mustang, but what about a P-51 with 150 octane fuel and a pilot who modified his plane for optimized performance who was a crack shot too!? How many 109-G10s did they have? or Dora 9s? not many... and not many skilled pilots to fly them let alone well...
But the argument was always, Das German engineering, it vas of better quality ja! so it is superior!
And it's funny how Bloke always makes the statement that people say that the 98K is a "Super accurate lazier beam." well if super accuracy was the deciding factor... we had the 1903 Springfield.... and that rifle didn't get the nickname silent death because it let quiet smelly farts. It was replaced with a superior rifle chambered in the same cartridge that will kill a Elk... but semi automatic with a smooth recoil impulse with sights that are quite precise!
@@milamber319
Then good sir if you are the British type, the Enfield... oh yes... 10 round magazine, fast smooth cock on close action, short compact size, each soldier had one... sights are quite good too!
The spitfire was easy enough to fly, could run with a 109, turn on a dime, and roll quick enough, and it's legs weren't too short for a interceptor.
Each soldier could be equipped with one, could easily be made to use or fly them, and they had plenty of eager, patriotic, capable fighting men to use them!
@@milamber319 Do you mean the Russian front?
Glad I found this. I hope to teach my grandson shooting techniques over the Thanksgiving holiday. Too bad you only had the 300m range to work with. I would have liked to see what Bismark could learn from a .22lr military trainer at 50m.
Would love to see a rifle shooting course series from you.
Thanks. The idea has been brewing in my head for a while in fact...
@@BlokeontheRange Good ;) The "issue" in my opinion is that a lot of the US channels try to sell some sort of business. Which is totally fine but it's quite tiring to see the "learn this magic trick to become a top shooter" video format over and over again. Also as a beginner rifle shooter it's kinda hard to sort bad advice from good stuff. For now I'll stick to Ryan Cleckner.
Turns out the magic trick is to get your fundamentals nailed, and there's no shortcut to doing that! I rather disappointed a course I ran back in the day... They wanted to learn C-clamp and other go-faster stuff, but not one of them was capable of hitting an A4 sheet of paper consistently at 100m, prone unsupported and without time pressure....
I hope to see Bismark visit you again , maybe after all this stuff in the world in the future.
I watch both your channels.
Notice the robotic brass magnet scouring the grass
There is no robotic brass magnet scouring the grass ;)
I haven't been on a rifle range for about 10 years...and I realise I miss it! I need to figure out how to do it here in Spain with my sub par spanish.
"¡Hola, yo quiero pewpew!" easy ;)
the one thing I miss from clay shooting is a smell of the cartridges
Bloke on the Range ghosting the trigger pull with Bismarck. Garand thumb is so jealous, as he hears the unchained melody in the background:)
Nicely done, Bismark. I started with a very heavy and old .22 with peep sights at 25 yards. I think starting at 300 yards might not be the best thing ever, but you had a great coach, so there's that. Very nice work by the Bloke on the coaching. Personally, I'd have been hellbent not to shoot that fucking drone in the foreground.
Geez lucky guy. I wish my first shots were on a Garand not a remmie 597. Great coaching!
12 guage shotgun of unknown model for me oof
We must get Bismarck to the U.S to play with some modern rifles of all kinds.
Maybe a cheeky go on something full-auto.
I'd also like to see him shoot some handguns since that's a fundamentally different experience.
So true. I'm sure it will happen sometime. I wish InRange could do a 2 gun shoot for this community of youtubers.
@@videodistro that is a good idea. We should push that, that is a good idea.
that would just be unfair to him since he's returning to the UK.
He's going to need a driver as I understand he does not have a license.
The "follow through" was not something me and my fellow conscripts were taught. But it actually had no effect on hitting the targets.
Then again we were taught to shoot the AUG, and most shooters who i have seen on YT who tried an actual FA AUG were not happy about the 2 stages its trigger has (semi and full). But the immediate release of the trigger after it goes bang enabled me to shoot single shots with the MG74 (without using the winter trigger). Was quite a mental effort for me to keep pulling. (not that shooting FA with the Mg wasn't fun, but my reflex was to let go of the trigger after the first shot...)
The "follow through" is basically so you don't flinch, which absolutely affects accuracy. This is much more noticeable on handguns
I scored me a K31 at a local shop for $339 American they got an estate sale collection of 120 Milsurps they had 21 K31’s I handpicked a 1942 walnut all matching one little bluing ware but I wanted a walnut stock I also picked up a K98 for $499 and another Finnish M39 for $299 he priced everything to sell quick he’s making money and we got amazing deals he even had rare ammo for every gun even surplus 7.5 French and chech 7.62x45
God biz has grown up so much, great to see him getting some trigger time! Long live the flying hamsters....
The Flying Hamsters will never die :)
For a quick fix of 'ping!' go to 21:19. Nice.
Great coaching!! How wonderful that Swiss ranges have a moving target to shoot at in addition to the fixed targets! ;-)
As a technical comment, you might consider putting a bit more grease on the M1’s op rod and its channel to reduce stresses on the rifle during functioning.
There's a metric butt tonne of grease on the oprod channel, which you can see from the great gobs of it where the oprod wipes it away to...
Bloke on the Range I went back and watched again, and didn’t see it, but no matter. My eyes aren’t getting any younger. The important thing is that you are aware of this issue and are addressing it. I offered the suggestion in the interest of safety and general bonhomie. Keep up the great content.
I good idea for future Bloke students, I show people pictures taken from call of duty as a training aid for sight picture and sight alignment both with peep an notch sights, hope this is helpful to you.
Dynamic Duo
"I'll try", you know what Master Yoda said about trying right?
Ok. Thanks.
I've learned more about how to actually take a shot on this, than I have on watching shooting channels over the last two years. I think it's because its mainly American channels and an American viewer that watches gun channels, has probable already got a gun and already knows how to take a shot. Most of us poor Brits have never even held a gun, much less fired one. I fired three shots from an SMLE 22 short, when I joined the ATC for a couple of weeks, when I was 13. I told them I was 14, they wouldint have let me shoot otherwise. I really need to move to a country that's a bit more fire arm friendly.
My Drill Sergeant advice for squeezing the trigger was much more NSFW.... I have a CMP built 308 that I love. Just not as much as my K31
The absence of familliar collimator sight certainly did not prevent Bismark from doing very good for a starter!
Cool
With the K98k he began flinching after the first shot
Imagine how a conscript who'd never shot anything else would react...
Bloke on the Range oh Absolutely! It was merely an observation which would explain his subsequent lateral deviation.
I'm trying to get one of these Tikkas in the states. They seem to be quite reasonably priced for what they are.
47:42 the time when Bismarck knew he fucked up
As an instructor, I can never get enough training videos. Do you have a S.L.E.D (Single Load Enhancement Device) for that M1? You should consider getting at least one .22 LR trainer, so you don't have to start folks off on an M1. Zero to M1 is a big step.
No, I don't have a SLED. And I have several .22 trainers, but 300m is what is easily available (plus Bismark asked for fullbore) ;)
@@BlokeontheRange Seriously, your victims should start with at least a few dozen 22's till working up... 30-06 isn't possible for some experienced shooters- physically/medically? And my Remington target master I had for ..50 odd years now... can hit a metre sq bull at 300m, but the sights are bent to the max.
@Tony Dee - if I could have, I would have. However, when all I have access to is a 300m range, shooting .22 down it would be a) against the range rules, and b) rather futile... ;)
@@BlokeontheRange Reading between the lines, I can see that, too bad, since the robo-mower keeps bumping into a 10 meter target... as long as you don't kill off all the best you tube historians out there..
Robomower! Moving target! 😄
Wow, only one mention of the roomba mower?
Mauser with aperture sights, let me tell you about the M1903A3 Springfield or the M1917 Enfield
It's literally a 1903 by description
The British and Americans seem to have made better military Mausers than the Germans did =P
Was that a damn robotic mower
very cool. im sad you didnt have him use a no4
Didn't have enough ammo for it :( Next week that situation will finally be remedied.
I was really hoping you would get him on a Lee Enfield.
That K98k looks like it has more recoil than my Zastava .358 Norma Mag, then again my rifle is pushing 11 lbs.
High Power Shooting 101. Onward and upward.
I wonder what his reaction would be to a modern intermediate cartridge.
I'd never really heard the breathe 2/3 out thing, rather to fully (or as much is comfortable) exhale. I think the logic for that is that it's a more consistent point of reference than some arbitrary lung capacity. I might give it a try at some point though, I'm in bad enough form as it is so I can't get much worse!
It's the point of greatest relaxation and is a consistent point.
I think you're both saying the same thing really. When you breathe naturally, you're not fully exhaling. You have to make a conscious effort to do so (at which point it becomes uncomfortable)
@@Blackstone9x19 You're probably right. Just never heard it phrased like that or with a number put to it
It is similar to how you shoot bows. You want to draw on an inward breath and release as you exhale and as the string reaches full draw.
Did bricklayer have some kind of acccident or why are the tiles set on their sides? Noise reduction?
A little late to the party here, 4 years on.... but.... eye protection? Not allowed to shoot without it at my local range.... ;)
Not a requirement here aside from for certain things. Also, we have bars serving alcohol at ranges, something I believe is another fairly substantial cultural difference ;)
47:37
“What-thesheissewtf
Gibt es Zusatzpunkte, wenn man den Roborasenmäher abschiesst? :D :D :D Danke fürs Video.
Also bei uns kostet es bei den meisten Schießbahnen 20 Euro, wenn man in den Boden oder in die Decke schießt!. Der Rasenmäher dürfte teurer werden! ;)
One of the things you should have talked about is "cheek weld" to the stock. He should have fired 3 rounds or so before looking at the target. That way he would have been able to do better with sight adjustment.
err, cheek weld is automatic when you look through iron sights like that and have the rifle correctly shouldered...
I realize that with a bolt action rifle - Cheek to stock weld is more important with a semi-auto. You will find you get better accuracy if you shoot three rounds before you take your cheek off the stock. Just so you know - I do like your channel.
Functionally, An M1 garand stock and sights are essentially identical to a C-stock on an M1903A3. The same considerations with regard to cheek weld apply cos the man-machine interface is identical. In any case, cheek weld is a minor thing that you shouldn't bother a novice with when there's a zillion more important things running through their minds - when I coach I work on a "pyramid of needs" basis, and we work as far up the pyramid as the result on target suggests the shooter can cope with and benefit from to avoid overloading them.
Son, that smell? Is the smell of freedom.
chieftain and challenger on the range next?
those guys all shoot a lot.
Military Aviation History Conscript Training
8:08 is that a roomba for brass?
We get road runners trotting across the range here in Las Vegas. No apparent concern about the bullets zinging over their heads. There is a range policy of no shooting at the wildlife.
Been watching your Lee Enfield videos. Recently purchased a No4 MK1 with matching magazine which is really really tight and almost impossible to remove. Any trick on how to get it to fit my rifle correctly without damaging it? Thanks.
Just leave it in place :) To make it more easily removable you'd probably have to sand or file whatever's making it tight.
What were the balistics for 8mm Mauser in WW2? Something like 180gr @ 2600fps or 11.84g @ 813mps?
Wayback when i had one the only ammo i could buy for it was downloaded and wouldn't cycle an fn-48 properly.
196gn at 2550-ish. Optimised for long-range machine-gun fire.
@@BlokeontheRange Thanks!
Shooting in a standing position is important,every one can shoot lying on the ground and into the air. "Finnish Civil Guard" ,before the wars.
My friend on the German range (firing semy auto converted East German AK74) and sees a brass scooper: "Look a moving target!"
Me:"Nooooo!!!"
Shoots rapidly until it stopped and tells really proud of how he shoots until it stops moving! (Really American of him!)
Pays a few 100€ fines and gets Banned from the range! ROFLMAO!!!
If I had any money I'd get an M1 post haste
Robo Creep at 44:25
At 11:43, git yer hand off the operating rod, that's gonna hurt