The Very British Rates of Fire Disaster Video
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Bono estente! Down in Bella Italia, Bloke meets up with Kevin of SBAM shooting for a spot of shooting and banter on the range. BotR combining with SBAM is a bit like crossing the beams in Ghostbusters (the original one), and disaster would have to ensue. By definition. Ammo didn't turn up, and when it did it wouldn't fit. Rifles that usually worked flawlessly refused to. But it was fun all the same!!!
Guns in this video:
Lee-Enfield MLE (Long Lee)
SMLE (Short Magazine Lee Enfield)
SLR
Martini-Henry Mk.IV
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Just Remember, a bad day at the range is still better than a good day at work.
As long as you don't get shot there is no such thing as a bad day on the range
What if you work at a range???
And better than a day with the in-laws
@@cymond it's best to separate business and pleasure
Now I know what went wrong at Isandlwana. They run out of WD40.
You run out of WD40 quickly in Natal
Okaro X
I'm fairly certain they were using Martini Henry rifles there
I honestly didn't realize your name was Mike until I saw TFB. I just assumed it was bloke
James Lai Bloke is a common expression for British people man. Not a name lol.
The whole hillside disappeared when you fired the L1A1.
Well, I'm sure Mr Range took no offence.
No, but according to Ian from forgotten weapons, his last name is McBloke
"the bent should be straight" makes sense.
"When life gives you lemons, make a whiskey sour". Forget the lemonade.
*Whisky
Paul Alexander forget the whisky! when life gives you lemons, throw shots of vodka!
When life gives you lemons, freeze them and throw them through life's windows.
I literally read that with a whiskey sour in my hand. :D
@@Damo2690 Wishky
Did you pour a libation of Tea to appease the Machine Spirit?
That may have been your problem...
Or possibly not having a active volcano to threaten the riffle with
An admirable effort and a real practical experiment. I hope you try again! Hopefully, you can get a proper supply of the ammunition and see how much you can put into a man-sized target at 100 yards in a minute starting with a loaded weapon. Would really show how firepower improved from 1873 to 1973. God Save the Queen, then the King, then another king, another after that, and finally a Queen again.
Oh crap, forgot Edward VIII so make that another king before that last queen.
@@myparceltape1169 True, but under British custom and law, the King is king even without a coronation. The British Monarchy passes by preestablished right of inheritance, so the moment George V died, Edward VIII was king because he was the eldest living legitimate son of George V. This is why Eddy had to abdicate to make his brother king. Put another way, under the British system, the Coronation is just a public celebration of the Monarch's ascendency, not the actual mechanism of ascent.
@@myparceltape1169 The thing is that even though he was monarch by right of inheritance, he couldn't remain monarch if he violated the law, and he made clear his intention to break the law by marrying Wallis Simpson. I don't blame the government for not wanting to waste money on a coronation for a monarch who admitted he was intending to delegitimize himself.
With as many problems with fine British rifles, its a good thing you didn't try this with the worst of British rifles. The L85A1
Just curious, not to appear brash, what's wrong with that particular gun?
@@devynbowman2189 They spontaneously combust. They researched the issue and filmed a warehouse with L85A1's lined up on the floor in rows. After a while each one of them would begin to smolder and then catch fire. They remedied the issue by carrying spare firing pins in the field.
@@cavscout888 spontaneously combust? That’s a first on me
British and Canadian loading doctrine for the Lee-Metford and the Lee-Enfield dictated taking one cartridge at a time from the ammo pouch and loading it. Not only was this done to keep from fumbling the rounds into the dirt but because the rifles were usually used in controlled fire with the cutoff activated and the magazine used only in dire circumstances.
Hi Mike, Good Video ^^ The fact that wee can see it´s not always easy and flawless working every time but you have Fun is "Priceless" and also shows us every ones gun can sometimes Jam^^ So looking forward to new Videos like that with "More Ammo" g patrik
Probably the most realistic recreation of actual combat loading and firing. I also heard that it was common to single load one less round than the max to avoid jamming.
Lost it at "God's own bangstick"
doktormusmatta That would be the God of Death then the only God that is Real
Bloke: Sticky ammo!!!
*Hours ago, Bubba and Joe were handling the ammo at the factory while having Coke and caramels*
Re loading Mags,I seem to remember that to be classed as Marksman on SLR we were timed on filling magazines,and the only way to do it was to have 5 rounds approx in hand to start,was a stupidly short time for marksman ,so this filling of mags thing has still around in 80's.Bandoliers with 5 charger rounds,were still common,magazine chargers were frowned upon for some reason.We all "kept" them.
Hi from South Africa. As far as I remember from reading up on the Lee rifles they had a magazine cutoff where you loaded nine rounds then used the rifle as a single shot for volley fire. The theory was that the rounds in the magazine were there for the moment you needed rapid fire as the hordes charged you. I own a Lee Enfield that I use for hunting and had a martini Henry garrison carbine that I also used for hunting. I traded the martini for a 6,5mm verguiro with which I took two blesbuck.I am cursed with old rifle syndrome.
These rifles are over 100 years old. I imagine, when they were new, and had the proper ammo, they would work better. Thanks for hanging in there. Nice video.
One caveat from the Boer war I heard was that if the Boers ran out of .303 ammo they would wait for a British column to pass and then go and collect the loose rounds that had fell from the Tommy's pouches.
Brits say "Bubba'd" too? Awesome! Just came over after seeing you with Ian, brilliant channel! Makes me want to put my no. 4 back together.
when firing a lee enfield you need to pull the bolt handle more or less straight back with a little upwards pressure, rather than up then back i always ran into the same problem with the old no.8 rifles
While watching this... had to go check my .303 ammo. PPU, with NO beveling on case head rim. Oh well. It's to feed my minty No. 4 Mk2.
Thanks for the demo vid!
Sadly if you were using a Canadian C1 instead of a British L1 you could load it with chargers with the mag on!
mags are faster.
Nice to see you actioning bolt and trigger in the much quicker rapid fire method of holding the bolt with thumb and forefinger, and middle finger to pull the trigger.
about losing ammo - during the Boer War the Boers used captured Lee-Metfords and Lee-Enfields. for ammunition re-supply they would follow the routes of British columns and collect all the dropped cartridges. (as told by Deneys Reitz in his brilliant book, 'Commando')
Interesting about how fast one can load and fire a single shot and how rate of fire have improved with time. I think the various problems you had, while not being exactly what would happen in the field, showed how the actual rate of fire would be affected. The two situations with the most consist rates of fire are the oldest and newest.
Also, I now understand why magazine cut offs were viable idea, maintain a decent single shot rate of fire with 5 or 10 rounds available in an emergency. But also, why single loading a magazine rifle in the field is stupid and why some sort of charger, clip, or magazine makes much more sense.
I have always had an Enfield and really found your presentations great. Your rapid firing not releasing the bolt knob and working
The trigger with your middle finger was very good.
Must congratulate you on working your bolt in the shoulder proper shooting .A lot of people don't work a bolt like you
Fire at will!
Oh thank you very much..
Spit boy, spit!
If it's a miracle, Colour Sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Henry point 45 caliber miracle.
Etc
Etc
Murphy's Law and Bubba combined forces!
love the "very british pouch" with the clear "US" markings
although that Lee Enfield can almost fire as fast as the FAL (or M1 Garand or M14 or any semi auto rifle) here,
it's mainly because you being under completely ideal conditions.
But under battle conditions when your fearing for your life, bullets wizzing over your head with explosions going on and people getting killed all around you chances are you are shaking and somewhat in a panic state which means you can't concentrate properly and the odd's of you doing a fubbly and thus slower reload would be very common while a semi-auto mechanism won't be effected by this (unless mud gets in it) and thus the rate of fire difference would open up.
Still much faster (and just better all round) than any Mauser though and the Mk4 Lee Enfield is still in my book the Best Bolt action Standard issue Battle rifle ever made.
that Lee Enfield looked pretty quick to me, atleast 75% as fast.
(excluding the Jam, reload, half cocks and accuracy. I was just talking about speed not all round effectiveness, ofc any Semi-auto will be more effective in rapid fire.)
Damned 303!
I love how you use the enfield correctly
I LOVE my B.S.A mk3* 1917 production..but that's why she hangs on the wall
After loading the 9th round you could've tried putting on the magazine cutoff and then loading the 10th round. That might very well have been the way the Imperial troopers kept their rifles. 9 in the magazine, Magazine cutoff engaged, decocked on an empty chamber. That way the rifle could be carried in a safe but ready to use fashion via single loading until orders were given by the C.O. to do otherwise. Just a guess on my part.
Not a bad video chaps. Small suggestion when comparing rates of fire and reloads, the infantry kit of the era would make sense as well as that relates partly to how Tommy Aktins would have been reaching for his extra ammo.
What a cluster **** of a video 😂
This is why I love BotR!!!
I learned Way more than if things had gone well
way to
a) keep calm and carry on
b) improvise, adapt, and overcome
In service the Long Lee would have had the magazine loaded but not chambered, using the cut off. Single shot loading for fire at distance, magazine when under pressure at close range.
Did you pay that bloke to fire that howitzer 5 feet from where you were talking?
Wow. This really is a disastrous video! Every possible thing going wrong up until the end with the shooters giving their all on the range. XD 10/10 entertainment!
I both love and hate when i hear 'oh...I see'
And damn the lack of chamfer
Nice selection of weapons there.
Is there any way to fix that sort of "trigger tuning" short of replacing the bolt?
I suppose it would be possible to replace the filed-off material through LDMD, but that idea sounds a bit silly...
New to the channel, enjoyed the video. It would have been good to see a Snider Enfield but enjoyable anyway.
You guys need a staple gun and not a stick for targets!
I loved the video, loved what you were trying to do, but it shows that worn rifles and dodgy ammunition put the kibosch on it. I am used to the SMLE and SLR from the 1970's and both are very effective. I actually prefer the Lee Enfield but it was (as you know) only loaded with single rounds as a top up. If you want to get the full rate of fire 5 round clips are the only way. Good fun though, well done!
The command may have been- independent fire at will- rather than -give it loads.
Sticky ammo stuff got super glue on it 🤣
Hey guys, the sound was excellent all things considered. Only a couple times were your words obscured by gunfire to the point I couldn't hear what you said.
Hell, sometimes I watch videos like this to fall asleep (especially when Paul Harrell drags out his chronograph... ahh, sweet, soothing gunfire and him reading off numbers...)
Thanks for not covering up the booger bears. Many would have done that. Thanks.
when fireing single rounds iyt was customery to load your fingers of the other hand with bullets. i.e between the fingers of the left hand so they were handy to the breach. SLR's broke their fireing pin . 19 had that problem after the round up of the battle of Long Tan.
I suppose not getting the full magazine's worth out of the Long Lee could be considered an extra dose of verisimilitude. A soldier trying to rush to load could easily lose count if loading one round at a time if his brain's distracted by the chaos around him. If you can only load one round at a time, counting's not an issue. If you have stripper clips and magazines, the counting's been done for you, already. You can fight faster because you're not having to think as much.
Bubba owned a lot of guns in his life. A LOT of guns.
Must have been an international playboy or some such.
I've notice with my Martini, when I load ammo with the cylindrical bullet from Accurate Molds (I believe Rob Enfield uses this one as well), it's MUCH more prone to be stiff to load because that bullet does not have a gentle taper. Basically the bullet isn't seated down in the brass far enough, despite having the proper overall length. I have used paper patched 45-70 bullets that are slightly longer but have a gentle nose taper and those work great. However the giant heavy bullet will also be just fine when shortened up a bit!
Good show!
Wow, what a rough day. You both persevered though.
... 20 round magazines; will such weapons be legal in Switzerland in the future? I am wondering what you guys think about the new legislation, that is on the horizon.
I enjoyed the video, as always!
hm? whats up with switzerland? don't tell me its the Commiefornia virus?
Branko Milicevic jesus Christ do you people have to be so god damned arrogant?
hemigodre Americans tend to view the government as separate from the nation it serves, a replaceable entity superceded by social contract in the constitution. We view infringement upon liberty more as an injustice towards the people by the government because we view the government as something that should be forced to respect the people it was made by. In that respect we consider viewing the government as representative of the nation, rather than comprised by representatives of the nation serving the nation, much like a virus acting against a greater cause which we believe in deeply. It's not a personal expression of superiority towards other nations, but against what we perceive as injustice cloaked on obscurity by other governments.
Quadrunner
Very well put.
@@brankomilicevic6904 I mean honestly I think you should be able to buy whatever guns you want machine guns and stuff like that because shall not be infringed seems pretty clear
Rapidly becoming one of my two favorite gun channels along with Forgotten Weapons.
Keep the rifle tight on shoulder when using bolt action loading goes much easier
I suspect it was easier for the old dudes to transition from Martini single to Lee magazine than it is for the young dudes to transition from box mag to chargers to single loading the lee magazine. Just for fun, I wonder if an old dude would have considered loading loose rounds from a zippy jacket pocket? And would he even consider wearing such a garment?
I had a Long Lee I gave to my great-nephew. Cycled as smooth as butter with the .303 ammo I got, from Federal I think.
Glad to see bubba is a universal blight
Good video...shows unedited feed problems etc.. nice to see down to earth video.
Your experiments go about as well as mine. My wife said that bolt actions were slow. I'm going to show her the SMLE. I want one of those BAD! In spite of the problems, this was a great vid.
Question; How many government hoops did you have to jump through in order to own those rifles,Especially the SLR.?
As for the ammunition ,Are you allowed only to own/buy a certain amount of ammunition?
Love the vids, keep up the good, informative work, you can always guarantee that something will always go wrong and people new to the weapons must know the kinks, having used the 303 on the range and the SLR in action in dirty dusty places, both are kinky !
I've got a Lee Enfield question for you I've read that there where a group of bsa manufactured carbines in 7mm mauser, and 8mm lebel do you have any information about them and did they work any better or worse with these cartridges? I'm fond of 303. But would like to add to my collection if any of these Still exist!
Never heard of that, sorry...
8x50R Mannlicher chamberings were a thing, but 8mm Lebel - I don't think the bolt face is anywhere near wide enough.
Perhaps the Martini bore was obstructed with olives....
That would imply that vermouth is the correct solvent for cleaning the riffle
I. Enjoyed the video .
Here in America (USA) I have always seen the mad minute with the Rifle already loaded.
But I see you the time clock when you start loading the Rifle for the mad minute.
So would you say that we here in America are doing the mad minute wrong, by starting with the Rifle already loaded?
I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure the way the British Army did it was to start with one round chambered and 4 more in the magazine.
Sorry mate , my miss understanding of the video, that this demonstration had nothing to do with the mad minute.
I will not get in such a hurry next time I watch another one of your videos .
I'm bad for embarrassing myself , maybe I will take more time to read and listen.
Again, my apologies, and thanks for explaining the importance of the video.
May have been a disaster but you wouldn't want to be the target. At the ranges they could shoot, the fumbles would be a minor problem.
Can we call this ' Cocking about with beautiful British rifles'?
I love how even the Brits know Bubba and his evil ways. Haha. I honestly thought the term “Bubba” was just an American thing.
We just culturally appropriate such terms from you lot...
@@BlokeontheRange so... America actually enhanced the English language?! I’ve never been so proud! XD
I feel like it would be uncomfortable to shoot at those angles uphill on a range. My trained shooting instincts would be driving me nuts firing shots with a barrel elevation like that lol I'm used to flat ranges
You wouldn't do well, in combat,then !
Always love your videos, and your statement about the S&B rimlock explains why I have had issues when trying to charger load that ammo.. Thanks.
Oh the joys of 100 year old repeaters.
303 rim overlapping causing feed error?
Just would like to say the reason the long lee has the magazine cut off is so that you dont load 10 rounds and fire, you fire one at a time with the cut off on, and when the commander gives the the call you then pull out the magazine cut off and fire the 10 in the magazine. as loading rounds on the top of cut off is quicker than loading 10 then firing 10.
Yes, we know this, and we're testing reloading the mag one by one at speed...
when you ram that mag into the SLR, give the bottom a good slap!!!! saves any embarrassment.... just saying... :-) love your vids by the way
The Anglo-Boer War battlefields still have a fair amount of unfired .303 ammo and to a lesser degree Boer Mauser rounds, on them. You should check out the channel britishmuzzleloaders (he covers everything from the Baker muzzle loading rifle of the Napoleonic era up to the SMLE, including drill and tactics. th-cam.com/users/britishmuzzleloadersvideos
99IronDuke We know the channel well and REALLY envy his range!
A hardwood rod and lump hammer would have solved the martini ammo problem :-) It's often necessary to sort cases for several BP rifles of the same calibre. Chamber and bore dimensions were more of a guideline in the 1860s - 1890s so what fits and works in one rifle won't necessarily do so in the rifle a few serial numbers away.
And that's why the Brits should have adopted 30-06
Even our gunbros across the pond call it a Bubba job! haha That's too funny to me, considering I was under the impression Bubba and his work was a 'Murican thing.
Bloke on the Range I don't know, mate. There's a lot of Bubbas here in the Bible Belt... maybe this is where they spawn from.
the SLR magazine was preloaded
The bad workman always blames his tools. But a Belgium built tool, make a workmen out of a bodger.
Would it be too much to ask to lay those nice rifles down on a thick blanket rather than on rocks to stop them getting scratched up?
The perils of shooting old guns sadly they often don’t work quite as they did the newer rifles obviously performed much better
I honestly wish we still had SLR's in service with useful bayonets! But heck I wish we still had a formidable military.
annoying commenter As someone hoping to join the military, I can’t agree with you more.
suspect pretty sure the queens guard ONLY has a bayonet.
So you want to occupy Scotland during the winter?
There is nothing wrong with your test. That is real life. In combat things were not all like a video, perfect.
You should really have taken a k98k to this comparison! In my experience, the moment you put the clip to the rifle, the target explodes out of fear for this vastly superior rifle! No comparison of firepower is complete without the mighty k98k! ;-)
That L1A made me realize I need a 308 battle rifle😊
To be fair the Lee Medford/Enfield would start with a full magazine or if a enterprising fellow have a couple of magazines
Already loaded knowing he's going into battle!
I really enjoyed that video! Interesting and entertaining and curiously like many good plans going awry with me! Balls ups = great entertainment!!!!
Surely a Bubba in South Africa must be called Jacobus
Great video! Some of my favourite weapons here. Is that WD40 I see being used on the Martini Henry? By the way nice looking long levered Martini Henry and shame you didn't get a chance to fire it :)
I have purchased S&B .303 ammo with rims that were thicker than SAAMI (and military) specifications. As a result, they wouldn’t chamber in rifles with minimum headspace.
Norman rifle was headspaced on SAAMI specs as well? The whole “Lee Enfield” headspace thing is a myth that drive sme mad
Why is he not tilting the muzzle down on each load? That's why he's having so much trouble closing the breech/bolt.
Interesting. I thought "Bubba" was strictly an American term. "Someone's Bubba'd it." I'm a Yankee SMLE fanboy. Love your videos!
We have culturally-appropriated the term :D
The long only had an 8 round magazine as far as i know.
10 rounds from the MLM Mk.II onwards. Only the MLM Mk.I had an 8 round magazine.
Was that bit at the beginning a gag? I mean editing? Really? Did you do any? lol
Great video!
Very informative!
Sear not catching means your dead. Two major malfunctions
wouldn't the Long Lee be carried with a full magazine and the cutoff engaged?
I enjoyed it. perhaps even more BECAUSE of the 'complications.
It's unfortunate that you have a limit on how much ammunition you can keep in Italy.