If this comment doesn’t get the most likes, the hole in my heart will remain unfilled If it does, the hole will remain unfilled EDIT: wow, it happened. Never mind what I said earlier, you CAN obtain inner peace through outer means!
I feel like he is most likely a 4 wanting to be a 3, you can tell he’s proud of being called a 3 with that little heart. (And if you get triggered by reading this, yup, its confirmed, thats a 4)
I gotta say I love the Enneagram as a writing tool. Not as a starting point for character creation but as a way of bridging the gap between how they’d interact with each other. Wicked efficient.
ngl my autistic ass gets a lot of social revelations out of these videos 😂 your insights on character psychology help me understand characters motives better but also, people in general better. life should come with a handbook for these things 😩
That cut to Taylor Swift at 7:31 was so good. I was legitimately thinking to myself "this sounds like Taylor Swift" and then BAM. There she is. Legitimately made me laugh out loud.
I think Lelouch from the anime Code Geass has that exact 3 redemption moment at the end of that story that you described at the end of the video. Essentially in this story, Lelouch is a lower prince of the British Empire who has been exiled to the colony of Japan to live among the commoners. He becomes entangled in a resistance movement and becomes their ambiguous leader operating under an alias. However, he eventually takes full control of both the resistance movement and eventually the entire empire, but he completely morally bankrupts everything to achieve this goal. It becomes clear that he's doing this to satisfy his own insecurities of being abandoned and exiled by the royal family as a kid, and everyone around him starts to hate him, including his crippled little sister who was the initial pure-hearted justification Lelouch gave to himself for doing all of the shit he does. In the end, he uses everyone's hate towards him by orchestrating his own death. He realizes that everyone despises him, but that everyone was also united in their hatred of him. He convinces his former best friend turned bitter enemy to kill him and to become the hero that everyone can unite under going into the future by sacrificing himself as the ultimate villain. No one knows about this sacrifice other than that former best friend, and Lelouch is remembered in history as a heinous villain. I think that fits under your theoretical ultimate 3 growth moment of ruining one's reputation for the greater good without receiving any praise for it, and it's one of the most powerful endings to a story I've seen. (Btw sry if I fudged any specific details Code Geass fans, it's been a decade since I've seen it lol)
Exactly, I was about to comment on Lelouch being that exact character until I saw your comment, and that ending being considered one of the best of all time in no coincidence, it's the exact peak 3 moment being searched for here.
I’d have to disagree with Lelouch being insecure due to being abandoned and exiled from the royal family. Lelouch practically disinherited the throne and was the one abandoning the royal family, not the other way around. The moment his mother was assassinated in her own villa and his father’s response was “What of it?”, Lelouch no longer cared if he was apart of the royal family. He was no longer safe there and by extension, Nunnally was no longer safe, especially with the ableist views of Britannia. It was always about Nunnally and revenge from that point forward. It wasn’t a justification or lie he told himself to feel better. He knows what he does is awful the entire time he does it. Unlike Light Yagami (who’s in very similar situation by gaining supernatural powers to help enact a grand design for the world), Lelouch always accepts what he’s doing isn’t pure. He never shifts the blame or downplays his sins, heck, he upsells them to paint himself as a bigger demon (see Euphemia). You could argue that he’s a 3 who’s tied his success to Nunnally’s safety, revenge and finding the truth if his mother’s assassination, and creating that better world Nunnally dreams of, but I’d argue Lelouch is an 8. Think about it, ever since his mother’s death he’s been powerless, fully at the whims of others. He didn’t have any control of his safety when his mother got turned to swiss cheese and his sister was blinded and crippled in their own home. He didn’t have any control when his father sends him to Japan as political hostages before attacking anyway and risking Nunnally and Lelouch’s lives. He was forced into hiding after that always living in fear that someone from the empire would recognize the long lost son of Marianne and force him back to his family to be used as a political pawn again. And then, the moment he finally gets some level of control in the form of Geass (the ultimate form of control through absolute obedience), he goes on a rampage, building up the resistance cell to the Black Knights, and then as liberators of Japan. He finally has Britannia on the back heel. When he loses that control after the Black Knights turn on him, and when he thinks Nunnally is dead, he gives up and accepts his death. He’s lost all his control and has no one to protect anymore and needs Rolo to die for him to remember he still has vengeance to keep him going, and then Nunnally’s dream of a peaceful world after that. Lelouch is an 8 to me through and through.
I don't think that Batman has a 3 fixation in The Dark Knight, but interestingly, his arc in that movie ends the way you described a perfect 3 story would end; he performs a selfless act of good (taking responsibility for Harvey's actions) and accepts that people will condemn him for it.
I think the main reason he is able to do this in the movie, is specifically because he ISN'T a 3, right? A 3 would have a much harder time with such a thing, but Batman in The Dark Knight doesn't find it nearly as difficult, because he's not a 3. Which means that it inherently isn't any sort of ultimate moment or redemption/growth for his character, even though it is a really great ending and moment.
Local Script Man, thank you for your enneagram so much, for on thing, it’s improved my life since now I understand myself also, it’s brought me back to writing, I had given up thinking why do this since it was in vain, but now I understand how to do it I love this so much now I spend a long time working on my craft, THANK YOU LOCAL, have a good day
Social media keeps insisting that Big Jack Horner is suuuch a good villain because he's irredeemable, ooh, so irredeemable. He flies in the face of inferior cringe redemption so much you guys. He doesn't have psychology or reason 🤮, he's just so evil 🤪. But he's a 3 and he has a backstory, he's a tragic villain who just acts like a jackass. Every good villain has something driving them. For Big Jack Horner, it was being an ignored, pathetic little kid while others got fame. It was building a pie factory and becoming powerful and collecting every magic artefact with the goal of becoming the most powerful person on earth. That's what made him so ruthlessly dogged in getting the wish. The only difference is he didn't have an arc in the film, and he acts mean. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wasn't the whole point of his character is that he got handed everything to him on a silver platter, and since he's always been so ungrateful, wants to get even more power?
I have no clue what You're talking about, of course He has a psychy and reason why He acts the way He does. He's entitled, because He always got what He wanted, so He believes that's how it works. He wants something, it's His, nothing else matters to Him. What people like about Him is that it's never turned into "oh, I'm doing this, because mommy and daddy didn't love me", no, they did and spoiled Him and now He can't have enough of anything. The writers didn't want to make Him sympathetic and that's why He's enjoyable, not because He's paper thin.
Usually I just use this as a way to improve and flesh out my characters but wtf how the hell are you describing exactly how I live life? I was convinced I was a 1.
I've done a lot of research on the 3, and I was hoping I didn't miss anything (in this video particularly). I didn't. Especially that 3's have to succeed in a way that personally fits that hole in their heart. Really looking forward to your video on type 2. Its another type I think I know a lot about, but I believe there's a few things that will be clarified for me in someone else's words. Really liking the series!
Im writing a 3 character that hummiates and abuse others to feel better, they wanna be the best drummer to prove themeselve and others that they are the best. This video helped me to flesh out things better
I couldn’t decide whether one of my characters was a type 3 or not, because she has a lot of traits of type 8 externally, but has very low self esteem. I’m writing a post-apocalyptic story, so something that helped me was you saying that type 3s can pursue goals that aren’t typical 3 goals. My character before the apocalypse was very concerned about being popular and liked, especially within romantic relationships, but after the apocalypse switches priorities to taking care of her sister and being the leader of the group . It helped me see that even though she does genuinely want to protect people, she is still trying to validate herself by being a good sibling and a good leader because she feels some survivor’s guilt due to her parents dying, and wants to prove she is worth being alive. And she takes it hard on herself when she messes up or things don’t go well. It’s like she’s validating her type 3 complex through type 8 goals and traits. She has to learn to step down from being the leader sometimes and let others take care of her.
I've been thinking about a story with a 3 protagonist for a while but was struggling with the redemption - this helped massively. Its finally clicked why no options were working before because they were all in some way allowing her to regress and kind of get off scot free.
Oh fuck... Im a 3... A lot of things resonated with me in other videos but this one choked me out. I remember realising not everyone feels the need to earn their "right" to just be alive. My husband was looking at me like I was crazy. And when he made me say it with these words I realised how crazy it sounds. I still believe it. And him telling me I'm good enough and don't have to prove anything didn't help as much as I was hoping it would. It just made me think "okay so I'm good enough for him, one person down, 7 billion to go."
From me to you, you're good enough and don't need to prove anything; it's okay to exist and to be. So, that's two people down, at least. But there are more than that, a lot of people have some variation of the belief that people have a right to exist, that we all innately deserve that much. There are people who don't believe that, of course, but once you start believing it as a principle, you can start believing in it for yourself too.
AAAAAH THIS HELPED IMMENSELY!!! You dont know how much I appreciate your channel, literally bingeing your videos once in every month!!! Thanks A LOT!!!!
Thr Starstruck clip YES. My favorite DCOM that I rewatched too often in high school. Thanks for putting so much work into these videos and sharing these analyses.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 Just to clarify, it's a story segmented into an A plot and B plot, each following different characters that oppose one another. The B plot's character is an incredibly powerful, but ultimately very unskilled and unqualified boss, who desperately wants his employees to see him as the best, smartest, greatest person ever, but also is not competent or kind enough to do any of the things that could actually make him look good in his underlings' eyes.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 I don't want to give too much away, but essentially it's about unionization. The main character is a beleaguered, overworked minion working in the deep in the factories owned by his impossibly powerful tyrant of a boss. After a terrible workplace accident he seeks to improve his life while also flying under the radar of his overseers, but ends up kickstarting a labor movement in the process. (He's a type 6w5.) Essentially the contrast is between a lowly character who wants to improve his life, and falls into a role of leadership against his wishes, and a leader who wants to be recognized as the best at everything, but keeps sabotaging himself as he tries to cling to power.
Me feeling proud I'm a three because it means my ambition is authentic and I'm not faking it to just appear superior in front of others is a threeness diagnosis in itself
6:06 I'm so glad to hear you say that, I thought it might have just been a weird thing I was trying to shoehorn into existence when I typed the Attack on Titan characters and like 90% of them were 6's or 8's.
As a 3, your emphasis on us wanting to be the real deal, not just look good, is spot on. It’s one reason why I’m so frustrated with social media, content creators, and buying expensive stuff like Porsches. I could do well in some of those arenas, but I feel like “what’s the point”. Yet I struggle to articulate the true goal I want. Or maybe I know, but am scared of the personal and reputation risks. Lastly, it’s interesting how part of my fantasy is to be fully redeemed in the way you described: that I accomplish a Great Good that I’m despised for. To take on the pain and hatred of the world in the name of humanity is a final form of what inspires me and how I feel like I could justify my existence. But can I really say that when I’m scared to leave a cushy, meaningless job and take the first step?
8 dating a 3. It’s so hard to combat the things they need to work on cause their intentions truly aren’t malicious. They lie a lot. But the lies aren’t coming at you it came because they lied to themself first. And did they just do it cause it checked off the box nicely?
Interesting to hear you mention wings and integration / disintegration towards other types when you've dismissed those ideas in the past. I keep shifting between feeling like Enneagram is a ground-breaking understanding of people and... maybe just a system of cherry-picking traits and motivations to fit each person into one of nine boxes. It's like, do some things not line up because Enneagram is flawed, or because I don't understand it and certain individuals as well as I think I do? Either way, it continues to fascinate me.
goro akechi realness. to me he is the epitome of the tragic 3 - it’s not even that he fails at reaching authenticity it’s that by the time he does it’s just too late for him
The value I get from these videos is inspiration to think about story types and enneagram. Grateful for that. Seems to me though you're getting thrown off by the same thing. The type of story goes through does not necessarily have to match their enneagram type. It is an external thing, like behavior, and does not have to mirror the internal motivation. The more of this I see, the more I become sceptical of the value of typing others. Enneagram is a tool for self-knowledge and healing (and story-telling ;), but should not be taken too seriously!
I wonder if Jamie Lannister fits the 3 redemption arc as he sacrificed his honour and killed mad King to save people of kings landing but didn't tell anyone about it. His deep seated need for validation is why he gets controlled by Cersei too
The 3 arc you talk about at the end is the arc of Richard Hendricks from Silicon Valley. He spends the whole series trying to build the next big thing in tech and ultimately develops a new Internet that's more efficient than the old one, but after he achieves his goal he realizes that it compromises encryption software. In order to save privacy he has to make his product fail spectacularly on launch so that not only does it not get adopted but also no one tries to recreate his tech because they think it's a dead end. Not only does he have to give up on his dream, he has to become a disgrace
I had the feeling one of my characters was going to fit really well into the three slot. Her setting for the 3 story isn't very typical though. She lives in a pretty small, isolated village, and her whole deal is that she needs to be the nicest, smartest, most beautiful girl there. The prettiest one at the party so to speak. Her illusions come crashing down when she marries a guy just because he's the talk of the town, and then he ends up ruining her reputation by sinking into alcoholism after his dad dies. I find her character very interesting and I can't wait to write her.
Saitama from One Punch Man comes to mind, as potentially a fully redeemed 3. (S1 spoilers) In his backstory, he has a fanatic determination to grow stronger, and loses motivation when he gets exactly what he wanted. In the show he starts trying to be recognised for that strength, but this time instead of recklessly charging towards his goal, he eventually gives up his best shot at recognition for the greater good He does get praised for this by one person, but he didn't expect that to happen when he made the decision, so I'd consider it a pretty solid redemption
I think of Saitama more as a 9. His core issue isn't insecurity but rather a lack of purpose and drive, very strong 9 themes. Him sacrificing his recognition is just a normal thing for gut types rather than a conscious choice. His initial search for recognition wasn't spurned by insecurity but rather by Genos's suggestion. Granted, me typing him as a 9 may just be part of an overcomparison between him and Kageyama Shigeo.
@@creedow4663 He has a lack of purpose and drive because he achieved exactly what he wanted. The way the narrative explores this 3-ness is by ensuring that Saitama has no greater mountain to climb. He’s already the strongest, there’s nothing more, especially relative to the story. Power and strength are clearly *the* mountain.
I know I'm a 3, but I've been told I am "enough" and "loved" and my reaction is always "You don't actually mean that" and "I've stopped performing and you stopped liking me. Don't lie to me." How cooked am I, guys?
I think another thing that could really test 3s is the COST OF SUCCESS. Say that the 3 is a hero, well what if the cost of doing the right thing becomes personal? what if it becomes devastating? Or, what if a 3 must do the right thing but doing this right thing makes others hate them and curse them? I call it THE COST OF SUCCESS because not all 3s are good, or heroes, but it serves its purpose. I also like to make a list of all the worst possible things that could happen to a 3, and put them through it, see if they still want what they want, or better yet, if they start to introspect and get to root of WHY they want what they want.
Bro I KNOW I've seen that ultimate growth moment you mention at the end, but it is SUPER slipping my mind. This is actually messing with me so bad lmao. I might actually be thinking of historical examples instead of fictional ones.. augh, gonna pour over that all night I guess.
Isn't that kind of what happened with The Boss in Metal Gear? I don't know much about the series, but she's the character who accepted the complete ruination of her reputation in order to prevent nuclear war. I don't know enough about her character to know if she's a 3 though. Based on the quick skim of the Metal Gear wiki, she's probably not.
I guess that's the problem, there are definitely characters who choose to ruin their reputation for the greater good, but none of them are doing it in DEFIANCE of their own inner compulsions. In fact, most of these examples seem to feed into the character's type rather than defy it. A 1 would do it because it's the "right" thing to do (in their mind), a 6 would do it to serve some external entity, a 4 would embrace the drama of it all, etc etc.
Rocky: 9 Creed: 3 Adonis is trying to be like Rocky because he's been fed an incomplete picture of Rocky and has to find out the hard way why they are different.
I'm writing a short story about an enneagram 3 right now, so this video came just in time! I wasn't sure how to end the story, but the video helped out a lot and now I have a few ideas for where the story could go.
I... I really wanna do that perfect type 3 arc now. I will say it's _almost_ like Missy's arc throughout Doctor Who s8-10 (which you should absolutely watch) but not quite. But yes, i'll work on that arc.
I have a character i want some help with so many comment-readers are free to offer me feedback and what they think the enneagram of a character of mine is because I just CANT figure it out. He's the son of a duke and will progress to be the main villain of the story. He's a lonely only child of nobility and spends his time studying and learning things to prepare for his predertimend future as part of the Royal council as an advisor. But then there comes this little maid girl who's also lonely but she's the ENFP kinda lonely so she'll force him to be her friend through silly and cute tactics. He DOES warms up towards her but is still a cold and distant person, never speaks his mind, etc. etc. To him, she's just........there. And he doesn't think anything more of it. But then time passes and when they're teenagers, the prince comes to visit him. The prince is (not surprisingly) also a lonely person who's studying and learning to fulfil his duty as the next king of humans and the face of humanity in a fantasy world. This price longs for freedom and such. He's the typical ENTP personality type and yeah. Also the villain is an INTJ type. So this prince notices that the girl is actually the decedent of a vanished nobility that was chased out in the post war power-struggle. He tells the girl (and her older sisters) that they can reclaim their family name and start their lives as a baroness idk. he also has a discussion abt nobility and how it isolates you from life and the girl strongly denies it, saying you can still do what you want to do, still be whatever you want to. He's so moved and blown by his speech (the prince) and realizes that it's been his own self that was blind to everything and living in the little lie that no life outside of his name was allowed for him. He decides to marry her and all. now at THIS moment the villain boy finally realizes his feelings for her because he cant accept that she's just going away? And later after the timeskip, when they all have children and everything, that's when the villain strikes again. He tears apart their happy family and blah blah that stuff. His core motivation is that to not be bound by any limitations, he must become powerful and stand above all, because according to him the prince could have his freedom because he was the price and above everyone else in rank, and he was his subordinate, so now he wants to steal everything for his own, and erase unpredictability from his life. Can someone PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE!? WHICH ENNEAGRAM TYPE? Im mainly asking for the villain but if someone can type the girl and the prince too it'd be nice!!
13:46 probably Elphaba from Wicked the musical? in the end she fakes her death while being hated by everyone and runs off with the guy she loves great video as always!!🔥
@@AE0N777 i mean he starts off unhealthy but he becomes more healthy over the course of the show. most 3s are like patrick bateman, saul goodman, Cersei & joffrey lannister. start unhealthy and get worse
@@edwinbeta2806 I think Saul is a 3 because he is obsessed with his image, being wealthy and successful. he is a charismatic salesman, conman and actor. his core fear is being seen as worthless because of his brother chuck (type 1) constantly criticizing him
Back then I didn’t watch White Lotus because I didn’t want to pay for the subscription. Now I don’t watch White Lotus because it’s “co-worker TV” and I’m too elite for that.
it's so tragic that the final outcome of a 3 is tragedy- hm. Their highest high is to fall down into the ground level, at the mercy of its residents... A tale that must remain dead.... hm.
A type of story that I also like attributting to the 3 is also the deal with the devil. While yes theoretically every type could have its reasons to make a deal with the devil (the devil here standing in for whatever higher power you have in your story), it is the classical Faustian story, the tragedy of being too blinded by pride and the promise of knowledge that leads to your own doom, that's what's undoubtedly a 3 story. The devil is so appealing to the 3 because it offers to fill the void in the 3's soul, whether it is by playing to their ego, or by offering a deal that promises them success, often it's both. However, it demands a sacrifice for it, a sacrifice that commonly requires isolation and cutting ties, something that it's likely the 3 has already begun to do, or is willing to do. And if the 3 doesn't have a moment of self reflection to realize that the goal they are chasing doesn't have an end, the sacrifice can become greater, and greater, and greater, and they will find justification for it, even if it pains them so (disintegration into 9). The end is often a tragedy, Faust bargains his own soul, and while the devil can be blamed, the 3 ends in a hell of their own making.
If this comment doesn’t get the most likes, the hole in my heart will remain unfilled
If it does, the hole will remain unfilled
EDIT: wow, it happened. Never mind what I said earlier, you CAN obtain inner peace through outer means!
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He’s such a 3
I feel like he is most likely a 4 wanting to be a 3, you can tell he’s proud of being called a 3 with that little heart. (And if you get triggered by reading this, yup, its confirmed, thats a 4)
@@adrianbermudez7005fr I thought I was the only one who noticed lol
@@adrianbermudez7005That's so me 😭
@@adrianbermudez7005 That explanation for him being a 4 looks more like a 3 though 😅
11:47 Mr Script man really looks at Patrick Batmen and goes "I can fix him".
All I do is win, win, win, no matter what. Got money on my mind; I can't get enough.
But what happens when you step up in the building???
@@localscriptman everybody's hands go up
@@vantablack6288and they stay there (there)
@@vantablack6288 Sounds tiring, surely they go down after right?
@@myheadhurtsagainyou’re gonna wanna sit down for this
On the enneagram, Local Script Man’s a perfect 10
I’m not exaggerating when I say that these enneagram videos have changed my life. Thank you, Local Script Man.
Crazy how archetypal understanding can completely change your lens of perception
I gotta say I love the Enneagram as a writing tool. Not as a starting point for character creation but as a way of bridging the gap between how they’d interact with each other. Wicked efficient.
ngl my autistic ass gets a lot of social revelations out of these videos 😂 your insights on character psychology help me understand characters motives better but also, people in general better. life should come with a handbook for these things 😩
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That cut to Taylor Swift at 7:31 was so good. I was legitimately thinking to myself "this sounds like Taylor Swift" and then BAM. There she is. Legitimately made me laugh out loud.
WE MADE IT OUTTA THE BOG WITH THIS ONE!
I think Lelouch from the anime Code Geass has that exact 3 redemption moment at the end of that story that you described at the end of the video.
Essentially in this story, Lelouch is a lower prince of the British Empire who has been exiled to the colony of Japan to live among the commoners. He becomes entangled in a resistance movement and becomes their ambiguous leader operating under an alias. However, he eventually takes full control of both the resistance movement and eventually the entire empire, but he completely morally bankrupts everything to achieve this goal. It becomes clear that he's doing this to satisfy his own insecurities of being abandoned and exiled by the royal family as a kid, and everyone around him starts to hate him, including his crippled little sister who was the initial pure-hearted justification Lelouch gave to himself for doing all of the shit he does.
In the end, he uses everyone's hate towards him by orchestrating his own death. He realizes that everyone despises him, but that everyone was also united in their hatred of him. He convinces his former best friend turned bitter enemy to kill him and to become the hero that everyone can unite under going into the future by sacrificing himself as the ultimate villain. No one knows about this sacrifice other than that former best friend, and Lelouch is remembered in history as a heinous villain. I think that fits under your theoretical ultimate 3 growth moment of ruining one's reputation for the greater good without receiving any praise for it, and it's one of the most powerful endings to a story I've seen.
(Btw sry if I fudged any specific details Code Geass fans, it's been a decade since I've seen it lol)
Exactly, I was about to comment on Lelouch being that exact character until I saw your comment, and that ending being considered one of the best of all time in no coincidence, it's the exact peak 3 moment being searched for here.
Wow yeah you nailed it
I thought EXACTLY this immediately
I’d have to disagree with Lelouch being insecure due to being abandoned and exiled from the royal family. Lelouch practically disinherited the throne and was the one abandoning the royal family, not the other way around. The moment his mother was assassinated in her own villa and his father’s response was “What of it?”, Lelouch no longer cared if he was apart of the royal family. He was no longer safe there and by extension, Nunnally was no longer safe, especially with the ableist views of Britannia.
It was always about Nunnally and revenge from that point forward. It wasn’t a justification or lie he told himself to feel better. He knows what he does is awful the entire time he does it. Unlike Light Yagami (who’s in very similar situation by gaining supernatural powers to help enact a grand design for the world), Lelouch always accepts what he’s doing isn’t pure. He never shifts the blame or downplays his sins, heck, he upsells them to paint himself as a bigger demon (see Euphemia). You could argue that he’s a 3 who’s tied his success to Nunnally’s safety, revenge and finding the truth if his mother’s assassination, and creating that better world Nunnally dreams of, but I’d argue Lelouch is an 8.
Think about it, ever since his mother’s death he’s been powerless, fully at the whims of others. He didn’t have any control of his safety when his mother got turned to swiss cheese and his sister was blinded and crippled in their own home. He didn’t have any control when his father sends him to Japan as political hostages before attacking anyway and risking Nunnally and Lelouch’s lives. He was forced into hiding after that always living in fear that someone from the empire would recognize the long lost son of Marianne and force him back to his family to be used as a political pawn again.
And then, the moment he finally gets some level of control in the form of Geass (the ultimate form of control through absolute obedience), he goes on a rampage, building up the resistance cell to the Black Knights, and then as liberators of Japan. He finally has Britannia on the back heel. When he loses that control after the Black Knights turn on him, and when he thinks Nunnally is dead, he gives up and accepts his death. He’s lost all his control and has no one to protect anymore and needs Rolo to die for him to remember he still has vengeance to keep him going, and then Nunnally’s dream of a peaceful world after that.
Lelouch is an 8 to me through and through.
I also thought of Lelouch with that comment haha
I don't think that Batman has a 3 fixation in The Dark Knight, but interestingly, his arc in that movie ends the way you described a perfect 3 story would end; he performs a selfless act of good (taking responsibility for Harvey's actions) and accepts that people will condemn him for it.
such a good point!!
I think the main reason he is able to do this in the movie, is specifically because he ISN'T a 3, right? A 3 would have a much harder time with such a thing, but Batman in The Dark Knight doesn't find it nearly as difficult, because he's not a 3. Which means that it inherently isn't any sort of ultimate moment or redemption/growth for his character, even though it is a really great ending and moment.
I commented almost this exactly and then scrolled down, lol whoops. Must be on to something
Local Script Man, thank you for your enneagram so much, for on thing, it’s improved my life since now I understand myself also, it’s brought me back to writing, I had given up thinking why do this since it was in vain, but now I understand how to do it I love this so much now I spend a long time working on my craft, THANK YOU LOCAL, have a good day
Social media keeps insisting that Big Jack Horner is suuuch a good villain because he's irredeemable, ooh, so irredeemable. He flies in the face of inferior cringe redemption so much you guys. He doesn't have psychology or reason 🤮, he's just so evil 🤪.
But he's a 3 and he has a backstory, he's a tragic villain who just acts like a jackass. Every good villain has something driving them. For Big Jack Horner, it was being an ignored, pathetic little kid while others got fame. It was building a pie factory and becoming powerful and collecting every magic artefact with the goal of becoming the most powerful person on earth. That's what made him so ruthlessly dogged in getting the wish.
The only difference is he didn't have an arc in the film, and he acts mean. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
wasn't the whole point of his character is that he got handed everything to him on a silver platter, and since he's always been so ungrateful, wants to get even more power?
I have no clue what You're talking about, of course He has a psychy and reason why He acts the way He does. He's entitled, because He always got what He wanted, so He believes that's how it works. He wants something, it's His, nothing else matters to Him. What people like about Him is that it's never turned into "oh, I'm doing this, because mommy and daddy didn't love me", no, they did and spoiled Him and now He can't have enough of anything. The writers didn't want to make Him sympathetic and that's why He's enjoyable, not because He's paper thin.
@@minedantaken1684 and even when at the end he falls into that pit thing, he cant even see what he did wrong
Usually I just use this as a way to improve and flesh out my characters but wtf how the hell are you describing exactly how I live life? I was convinced I was a 1.
Real question what’s your tritype?
@@nianexus135i thought I was a 1, but after watching idk anymore.
Every piece of art is a self portrait
... I've never felt so called out by a video in my entire life
Been waiting a while now to be personally called out, here we are
Now I have no excuses. IT'S WRITING TIME!
Im writing a character right now that i had a hunch has a 3 fixation, and this video fixed every problem I had with their arc.
I hope we get a more detailed explanation of that type 2 superiority complex in the next video because it sounds juicy
cuss… "trying to please the void" is actually the most helpful way of putting it i've ever heard.
I've done a lot of research on the 3, and I was hoping I didn't miss anything (in this video particularly). I didn't.
Especially that 3's have to succeed in a way that personally fits that hole in their heart.
Really looking forward to your video on type 2. Its another type I think I know a lot about, but I believe there's a few things that will be clarified for me in someone else's words.
Really liking the series!
Im writing a 3 character that hummiates and abuse others to feel better, they wanna be the best drummer to prove themeselve and others that they are the best. This video helped me to flesh out things better
I couldn’t decide whether one of my characters was a type 3 or not, because she has a lot of traits of type 8 externally, but has very low self esteem. I’m writing a post-apocalyptic story, so something that helped me was you saying that type 3s can pursue goals that aren’t typical 3 goals. My character before the apocalypse was very concerned about being popular and liked, especially within romantic relationships, but after the apocalypse switches priorities to taking care of her sister and being the leader of the group . It helped me see that even though she does genuinely want to protect people, she is still trying to validate herself by being a good sibling and a good leader because she feels some survivor’s guilt due to her parents dying, and wants to prove she is worth being alive. And she takes it hard on herself when she messes up or things don’t go well. It’s like she’s validating her type 3 complex through type 8 goals and traits. She has to learn to step down from being the leader sometimes and let others take care of her.
“But then you compliment them and they giggle” the way I cracked up 💀💀💀
I've been thinking about a story with a 3 protagonist for a while but was struggling with the redemption - this helped massively. Its finally clicked why no options were working before because they were all in some way allowing her to regress and kind of get off scot free.
Oh fuck... Im a 3... A lot of things resonated with me in other videos but this one choked me out. I remember realising not everyone feels the need to earn their "right" to just be alive. My husband was looking at me like I was crazy. And when he made me say it with these words I realised how crazy it sounds. I still believe it. And him telling me I'm good enough and don't have to prove anything didn't help as much as I was hoping it would. It just made me think "okay so I'm good enough for him, one person down, 7 billion to go."
From me to you, you're good enough and don't need to prove anything; it's okay to exist and to be. So, that's two people down, at least. But there are more than that, a lot of people have some variation of the belief that people have a right to exist, that we all innately deserve that much. There are people who don't believe that, of course, but once you start believing it as a principle, you can start believing in it for yourself too.
@@This_Is_Just_To_Say it's so lovely of you to go out of your way to type all this out. It's much appreciated ❤️
The New Sound by Geordie Greep seems to be a heavy 3 story.
Dang, he actually included a reference to the lines of integration.
Damn… I’m not a 3 but the 3 fixation is definitely a visible part of me.
Very lovely video, you and Josh's 3 video really feels understanding of the experience
As a 3 i appreciate it!
RANGO MY BELOVED!!! RANGO!!! I LOVE THAT MOVIE… Rango fans were you at??? This made my day 3:10
I'm really liking these videos. Any time you upload one I kick my feet in anticipation
holy moly is that a 14 minute LocalScriptMan video! and two of them?! i can die happy now guys
I just finished reading “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow” and that book has some fabulous examples of three characters in various stages of health
AAAAAH THIS HELPED IMMENSELY!!! You dont know how much I appreciate your channel, literally bingeing your videos once in every month!!! Thanks A LOT!!!!
Thr Starstruck clip YES. My favorite DCOM that I rewatched too often in high school. Thanks for putting so much work into these videos and sharing these analyses.
this is one of those (rare) channels with videos I can watch from start to finish.
thanks for existing, localscriptman.
Man talks about himself for 15 minutes to help people write better or for that sweet comment section dopamine I guess we’ll never know
9:28 bro snuck in my exact type and instinctual variant and thought I wouldnt notice
Itd be me If only it was sx/so😫😫
I'm writing a story with a tragic 3 as a deuteragonist, and this video confirmed that I am absolutely nailing it
What's a deuteragonist?
@@frankmanismyname1147 Just means secondary protagonist/second most primary character.
@@ShadowRaZeV1 Just to clarify, it's a story segmented into an A plot and B plot, each following different characters that oppose one another. The B plot's character is an incredibly powerful, but ultimately very unskilled and unqualified boss, who desperately wants his employees to see him as the best, smartest, greatest person ever, but also is not competent or kind enough to do any of the things that could actually make him look good in his underlings' eyes.
@@13mungoman13 what's the plot about, and how are your two pov characters in opposition to one another?
@@ShadowRaZeV1 I don't want to give too much away, but essentially it's about unionization. The main character is a beleaguered, overworked minion working in the deep in the factories owned by his impossibly powerful tyrant of a boss. After a terrible workplace accident he seeks to improve his life while also flying under the radar of his overseers, but ends up kickstarting a labor movement in the process. (He's a type 6w5.)
Essentially the contrast is between a lowly character who wants to improve his life, and falls into a role of leadership against his wishes, and a leader who wants to be recognized as the best at everything, but keeps sabotaging himself as he tries to cling to power.
Me feeling proud I'm a three because it means my ambition is authentic and I'm not faking it to just appear superior in front of others is a threeness diagnosis in itself
Your videos have been more helpful to my understanding of the enneagram than anything else. Thank you so much 😊
6:06 I'm so glad to hear you say that, I thought it might have just been a weird thing I was trying to shoehorn into existence when I typed the Attack on Titan characters and like 90% of them were 6's or 8's.
Schrödinger's Enneagram is sickkkk
Let's Go! Thank you LocalScriptMan!
As a 3, your emphasis on us wanting to be the real deal, not just look good, is spot on. It’s one reason why I’m so frustrated with social media, content creators, and buying expensive stuff like Porsches. I could do well in some of those arenas, but I feel like “what’s the point”. Yet I struggle to articulate the true goal I want. Or maybe I know, but am scared of the personal and reputation risks.
Lastly, it’s interesting how part of my fantasy is to be fully redeemed in the way you described: that I accomplish a Great Good that I’m despised for. To take on the pain and hatred of the world in the name of humanity is a final form of what inspires me and how I feel like I could justify my existence. But can I really say that when I’m scared to leave a cushy, meaningless job and take the first step?
8 dating a 3. It’s so hard to combat the things they need to work on cause their intentions truly aren’t malicious. They lie a lot. But the lies aren’t coming at you it came because they lied to themself first. And did they just do it cause it checked off the box nicely?
Awesome that you recognise this. Thank you for trying with them. On behalf of the three, I thank you
Ayyyy 200k dude! Well done!
i dropped EVERYTHING to watch this
Interesting to hear you mention wings and integration / disintegration towards other types when you've dismissed those ideas in the past.
I keep shifting between feeling like Enneagram is a ground-breaking understanding of people and... maybe just a system of cherry-picking traits and motivations to fit each person into one of nine boxes. It's like, do some things not line up because Enneagram is flawed, or because I don't understand it and certain individuals as well as I think I do?
Either way, it continues to fascinate me.
I BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE. TURN IT UP
Thank you for the feast!!! I hope your break was everything you needed and more ^^
I can’t believe I got here early, I so excited for this
This video made me realize one of my main characters is a three, preciate it g
Code Geass has your “perfect 3 redemption arc” recommend watching it if you can enjoy anime
goro akechi realness. to me he is the epitome of the tragic 3 - it’s not even that he fails at reaching authenticity it’s that by the time he does it’s just too late for him
WOooooo the script guy posted again!!! (honestly these videos are really interesting even though I don't write a whole lot atm...)
Our father has returned
you're a better man than me if I was doing an enneagram series I would simply skip my own type and hope no one noticed
The value I get from these videos is inspiration to think about story types and enneagram. Grateful for that. Seems to me though you're getting thrown off by the same thing. The type of story goes through does not necessarily have to match their enneagram type. It is an external thing, like behavior, and does not have to mirror the internal motivation. The more of this I see, the more I become sceptical of the value of typing others. Enneagram is a tool for self-knowledge and healing (and story-telling ;), but should not be taken too seriously!
I wonder if Jamie Lannister fits the 3 redemption arc as he sacrificed his honour and killed mad King to save people of kings landing but didn't tell anyone about it. His deep seated need for validation is why he gets controlled by Cersei too
The 3 arc you talk about at the end is the arc of Richard Hendricks from Silicon Valley. He spends the whole series trying to build the next big thing in tech and ultimately develops a new Internet that's more efficient than the old one, but after he achieves his goal he realizes that it compromises encryption software. In order to save privacy he has to make his product fail spectacularly on launch so that not only does it not get adopted but also no one tries to recreate his tech because they think it's a dead end. Not only does he have to give up on his dream, he has to become a disgrace
I had the feeling one of my characters was going to fit really well into the three slot. Her setting for the 3 story isn't very typical though. She lives in a pretty small, isolated village, and her whole deal is that she needs to be the nicest, smartest, most beautiful girl there. The prettiest one at the party so to speak.
Her illusions come crashing down when she marries a guy just because he's the talk of the town, and then he ends up ruining her reputation by sinking into alcoholism after his dad dies. I find her character very interesting and I can't wait to write her.
Saitama from One Punch Man comes to mind, as potentially a fully redeemed 3. (S1 spoilers)
In his backstory, he has a fanatic determination to grow stronger, and loses motivation when he gets exactly what he wanted. In the show he starts trying to be recognised for that strength, but this time instead of recklessly charging towards his goal, he eventually gives up his best shot at recognition for the greater good
He does get praised for this by one person, but he didn't expect that to happen when he made the decision, so I'd consider it a pretty solid redemption
I think of Saitama more as a 9. His core issue isn't insecurity but rather a lack of purpose and drive, very strong 9 themes.
Him sacrificing his recognition is just a normal thing for gut types rather than a conscious choice. His initial search for recognition wasn't spurned by insecurity but rather by Genos's suggestion.
Granted, me typing him as a 9 may just be part of an overcomparison between him and Kageyama Shigeo.
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He has a lack of purpose and drive because he achieved exactly what he wanted. The way the narrative explores this 3-ness is by ensuring that Saitama has no greater mountain to climb. He’s already the strongest, there’s nothing more, especially relative to the story. Power and strength are clearly *the* mountain.
I know I'm a 3, but I've been told I am "enough" and "loved" and my reaction is always "You don't actually mean that" and "I've stopped performing and you stopped liking me. Don't lie to me."
How cooked am I, guys?
Nah, if you wanna really know, keep testing them or called them out.. like 6. Come, join to the dark side
Looking forward to the 2 video because you might mean these as writing advice but I'm applying them to myself and I figure I'm *probably* a 2.
Never stop making these.
I couldn't look away from this videos MASSIVE threeness.
I think another thing that could really test 3s is the COST OF SUCCESS. Say that the 3 is a hero, well what if the cost of doing the right thing becomes personal? what if it becomes devastating? Or, what if a 3 must do the right thing but doing this right thing makes others hate them and curse them? I call it THE COST OF SUCCESS because not all 3s are good, or heroes, but it serves its purpose. I also like to make a list of all the worst possible things that could happen to a 3, and put them through it, see if they still want what they want, or better yet, if they start to introspect and get to root of WHY they want what they want.
Bro I KNOW I've seen that ultimate growth moment you mention at the end, but it is SUPER slipping my mind. This is actually messing with me so bad lmao. I might actually be thinking of historical examples instead of fictional ones.. augh, gonna pour over that all night I guess.
Isn't that kind of what happened with The Boss in Metal Gear? I don't know much about the series, but she's the character who accepted the complete ruination of her reputation in order to prevent nuclear war. I don't know enough about her character to know if she's a 3 though. Based on the quick skim of the Metal Gear wiki, she's probably not.
Closest thing I can think of is the dark night rises but Batman is not a three
@@Anienem Considering how Type 6-centric the Metal Gear games are, it's probably safe to assume The Boss is a 6 who's figured her shit out.
Code:Geass ends a little like this, but I’m not sure if Lelouch would be a 3, personally!
I guess that's the problem, there are definitely characters who choose to ruin their reputation for the greater good, but none of them are doing it in DEFIANCE of their own inner compulsions. In fact, most of these examples seem to feed into the character's type rather than defy it. A 1 would do it because it's the "right" thing to do (in their mind), a 6 would do it to serve some external entity, a 4 would embrace the drama of it all, etc etc.
been waiting for this video! i had shiv roy on my list of characters he'd include clips from
Rocky: 9
Creed: 3
Adonis is trying to be like Rocky because he's been fed an incomplete picture of Rocky and has to find out the hard way why they are different.
I'm writing a short story about an enneagram 3 right now, so this video came just in time! I wasn't sure how to end the story, but the video helped out a lot and now I have a few ideas for where the story could go.
I... I really wanna do that perfect type 3 arc now. I will say it's _almost_ like Missy's arc throughout Doctor Who s8-10 (which you should absolutely watch) but not quite. But yes, i'll work on that arc.
I have a character i want some help with so many comment-readers are free to offer me feedback and what they think the enneagram of a character of mine is because I just CANT figure it out.
He's the son of a duke and will progress to be the main villain of the story. He's a lonely only child of nobility and spends his time studying and learning things to prepare for his predertimend future as part of the Royal council as an advisor. But then there comes this little maid girl who's also lonely but she's the ENFP kinda lonely so she'll force him to be her friend through silly and cute tactics. He DOES warms up towards her but is still a cold and distant person, never speaks his mind, etc. etc. To him, she's just........there. And he doesn't think anything more of it. But then time passes and when they're teenagers, the prince comes to visit him. The prince is (not surprisingly) also a lonely person who's studying and learning to fulfil his duty as the next king of humans and the face of humanity in a fantasy world. This price longs for freedom and such. He's the typical ENTP personality type and yeah. Also the villain is an INTJ type. So this prince notices that the girl is actually the decedent of a vanished nobility that was chased out in the post war power-struggle. He tells the girl (and her older sisters) that they can reclaim their family name and start their lives as a baroness idk. he also has a discussion abt nobility and how it isolates you from life and the girl strongly denies it, saying you can still do what you want to do, still be whatever you want to. He's so moved and blown by his speech (the prince) and realizes that it's been his own self that was blind to everything and living in the little lie that no life outside of his name was allowed for him. He decides to marry her and all. now at THIS moment the villain boy finally realizes his feelings for her because he cant accept that she's just going away?
And later after the timeskip, when they all have children and everything, that's when the villain strikes again. He tears apart their happy family and blah blah that stuff. His core motivation is that to not be bound by any limitations, he must become powerful and stand above all, because according to him the prince could have his freedom because he was the price and above everyone else in rank, and he was his subordinate, so now he wants to steal everything for his own, and erase unpredictability from his life.
Can someone PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THIS SOUNDS LIKE!? WHICH ENNEAGRAM TYPE? Im mainly asking for the villain but if someone can type the girl and the prince too it'd be nice!!
13:46 probably Elphaba from Wicked the musical? in the end she fakes her death while being hated by everyone and runs off with the guy she loves
great video as always!!🔥
Mfw I realize my dad's got a 3 complex, and the whole reason I've been abused my whole life is he couldn't understand I'm not also a 3.
Ah I see, as a 3 the solution was staring me in the face this whole time, I need to quit my job and grind the fortnite battlepass!
I’ve been waiting for the video that would truly call me out… here it is.
Kendrick vs drake beef was just a one taking down a three
"permanently ruining their reputation for the greater good and never telling anyone the truth" this screams dinesh from silicon valley
gotta shout out naruto for being one of the few healthy type 3 characters
“Healthy” 🤣
@@AE0N777 i mean he starts off unhealthy but he becomes more healthy over the course of the show. most 3s are like patrick bateman, saul goodman, Cersei & joffrey lannister. start unhealthy and get worse
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mr goodman is 7
@@edwinbeta2806 I think Saul is a 3 because he is obsessed with his image, being wealthy and successful. he is a charismatic salesman, conman and actor. his core fear is being seen as worthless because of his brother chuck (type 1) constantly criticizing him
Lelouch from Code Geass has an ending like what you described at 13:48.
Back then I didn’t watch White Lotus because I didn’t want to pay for the subscription. Now I don’t watch White Lotus because it’s “co-worker TV” and I’m too elite for that.
14 minute 28 second roast session criticizing my entire being, so based
it's so tragic that the final outcome of a 3 is tragedy- hm. Their highest high is to fall down into the ground level, at the mercy of its residents... A tale that must remain dead....
hm.
rip bozo
A type of story that I also like attributting to the 3 is also the deal with the devil. While yes theoretically every type could have its reasons to make a deal with the devil (the devil here standing in for whatever higher power you have in your story), it is the classical Faustian story, the tragedy of being too blinded by pride and the promise of knowledge that leads to your own doom, that's what's undoubtedly a 3 story. The devil is so appealing to the 3 because it offers to fill the void in the 3's soul, whether it is by playing to their ego, or by offering a deal that promises them success, often it's both. However, it demands a sacrifice for it, a sacrifice that commonly requires isolation and cutting ties, something that it's likely the 3 has already begun to do, or is willing to do. And if the 3 doesn't have a moment of self reflection to realize that the goal they are chasing doesn't have an end, the sacrifice can become greater, and greater, and greater, and they will find justification for it, even if it pains them so (disintegration into 9). The end is often a tragedy, Faust bargains his own soul, and while the devil can be blamed, the 3 ends in a hell of their own making.
no more can I hear words "socialite" and "entitled" in one sentence without mentally plunging into *that* scene
“They say they’re an 8, but when you compliment them they giggle” I’m dead 💀
Funny you mention Jake Adelstein, I went to high school with his son
As Marina said it: “I feel like I’m the worst so I always act like I’m the best”
Ricky Bobby abandoning his "if you're not first you're last" motto
I recognize myself a lot in this one, but I wait to see the 2 as well to compare.
Oh let's go baby I've been waiting for this
This is super helpful! Thanks for sharing this!
the boss from mgs3 does a complete self sacrifice for what is (to her) a greater good, dying with her legacy being known as a traitor to america