@gentlemanscarecrow5987 bro the crew in the first Alien literally ignored all quarantine procedures and brought an obvious health hazard on the ship despite MULTIPLE protests from Ripley. Alien is a masterpiece but the crew was absolutely *not* intelligent.
There's definitely some sauce to this. You've got a horror franchise about Aliens but you've never done an alien invasion story? You've already set up a homicidal android who's obsessed with perfecting his freaky ahhh black goo tech, AND he's now got the means to do all of it? And you've also got a polar opposite android who loved his human friend for her whole life because she literally turned back on a ship full of monsters to save him? That's one spicy combination! The only downside really is that you have to pivot *back* into all the prometheus/covenant stuff that a lot of people would perhaps prefer to get as far away from as possible.
Honestly, neither were mind-blowing or anything, but for the life of me i don't get the level of hate both those movies got. They were better than most horror, let alone sci-fi horror films of the past decade, (though , sadly, that's not that impressive), but fellow hardcore Alien fans absolutely DESPISE Covenant on a level that i just don't get.
So this is just a hypothesis but I think the reason people get so angry is beacause other things in there life are going badly and making them angry and mediocre sequels to marster peices are where they decide to focus their anger.@@8301TheJMan
@@KillerKaiju54 Right? Then again, im also one of those weird hardcore Aliens fans who loved both Alien 3 and Resurrection. I mean, it's partly cuz they came out when i was a kid so i have very fond memories of them, but even excluding that factor - just like with Covenant I didn't think either were nearly as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Alien 3 was the only entry that truly scared the shit outa me. I still can remember the first time I watched it: I was home alone, maybe 10 or 11 years old, and watched it right at dusk. Afterwards i was so freaked out i had every light in every room of the house on till my parents got home from work that night, lol
Yeah I think they should continue the franchise by having monsters from popular monster movies on the Monstars team, maybe have them steal the basketball talent from players again.
"Are we truly unique, or are we just like alien goo-a churning wave of biomass spreading blindly across the universe, grasping at every chance to propagate itself, indifferent to its own suffering and the suffering of all that it touches? Why is it that the perfect organism, without a soul, exists? Could it be that our consciousness is merely vestigial-that our sense of self is the mental equivalent of an appendix, and that our true nature is no different from that of the alien?" - that was genial
Your description of Alien 3 made me laugh as that's exactly how I felt about it - killing off the 2 main characters from Aliens was unforgivable, it didn't really matter what happened after that, I stopped caring. Same with the new terminator film - they killed off John and I just mentally switched off.
The 8th Alien film should just be a documentary shot by the Predator aliens as they document the gradual extinction of humanity among the stars at the hands of a superior invasive species but the documentary is filmed in such a way that it pays homage to the humans in terms of making them out to appear really dangerous so that way the xenomorphs appear even scarier by comparison, the end of the documentary reveals itself to just be a marketing campaign for safari hunting of xenomorphs in the outer regions of the greater empire of predator species plural*.
It feels like an "All Tomorrow's" horror angle with the horror of the goo and David. It's thematic, it's new, and it's great alien horror. That is what I would add to Alien 8.
Dude, that writer's room scene was 🔥 After the first couple minutes, I was like "Is he just gonna go all the way with the bit? Oh, he's comMITTED. Sweet." And I just settled in. Good times.
Damn that pitch sounds crazy. Imagine David as some fucked up 'xenomorph emperor' able to psychically control his whole xeno army, imagine during the initial invasion catching glimpses of kaiju sized xeno-creatures through the fog during the evacuation. I mean tyranids are basically xenomorphs so we might as well come full circle and make xenomorphs tyranids.
The queen is not alive, the ship was still in orbit when the queen was jettisoned out, so it would have been pulled down by gravity of LV 426 and burnt up in the atmosphere.
There are no queens in the original lore of Alien. That's an invention in Alens and there's no obligation to continue that. They didn't for Alien Isolation, and not really for this either and that is a good thing. The queen makes the organism dependent on having a queen. Without it, it has the ability to spread much worse just by existing.
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Romulus was a looot of Alien Isolation and Resurrection mushed together with a sprinkle of Aliens and Promevenant (black Goo and Engineer aah looking baby)
🧐 Speaking as one of the 26%, longer hair looks good- especially when compared to army cuts With that aside, I loved this video, and the format, love to see your ideas on these kind of things!
This is such a great movie and a fantastic revival. Also, notice how many ideas the OG Halo got from Aliens? I mean, Sgt. Johnson is very similar to Sgt. Apone, cigar and all. Plus, the vehicle designs look awfully reminiscent.
Romulus was not intelligently written. Ash was meant to be a deep cover cuckoo in the nest character so why does Rook look exactly the same? Why spend millions on set design, creature effects etc and ruin it by having a character quote a line from a movie set 50 years later?
It wasn't just one line. Romulus repeats dozens of lines, and recreates dozens of shots, from the previous Alien movies. And resurrecting a dead actor, Ian Holm, is what truly ruined the movie. Rook has way more screen time than the undead Peter Cushing in Rogue One.
actually obsessed with this movie for all the reasons you said here. alien has got some cool as shit lore and honestly even though I hate resurrection and prometheus and convenient I do think most of the lore and body horror shenanigans had so much wasted potential. Romulus brought together nearly everything they failed to get right and did it correctly - its a miracle of a reboot movie. plus the character work is so much stronger than I ever expected it to be that even though I knew nearly everyone was dead from the start I was still actually sad and scared for them? banger
I'd love to see an Alien movie truly go back to basics like the original - one xeno, small scale, no guns - just with a very different take on the setting and cast. I think Alien 3 started to do this really well in its first act (despite the decision everyone hates) but it doesn't really follow through. Like what if an alien/facehugger ended up on a farm, or in a residential complex, or a mine, or a hospital? What if the cast was much younger or older? I also think the working class undercurrent is important. What if Weyland-Yutani lets a xenomorph loose to break a strike? So many stories that could be told without having to follow the precedent set by Aliens of just adding more aliens and more guns
The thing with the facehugger coming off is that it would rip the persons skin off or strangle them if was pulled off (what Dallas legit saying "its tearing his skin off" while we also see the tail tighten which on evaluation is kinda a cool way to tell us two things at once), and of course cutting it presents the acid problem. However, I do like the way that the freezing technique actually worked cus it kinda makes sense, and it doesn't exactly kill the face hugger either. Initially, I was hesitant about this change cus I likes the idea of the face hugger having these defenses, and the freezing tricked kinda cheapens them, but the again it didn't matter in the end.
So for Davids motivation in the 8 th movie I have tow suggestions. 1) David wants the humans that created him to worship him like a god 2) He is trying to find out who created the creators of the engineers and there is something in the genetic memory of some humans that will give him a clue ( as a reason he can just wipe out all humans)
Honestly, it ain't perfect but you are right on with this video. IMO most competent and well thought out horror movie/franchise film out in current year.
the happy planet invasion sounded great. and Andy's a perfect fit for a community leader and then witnessing that community annihilated. bringing back past characters would have to be handled very delicately though to avoid star-warisation. also David is so wicked his end needs to be really thought-out I think, a mcguffin solution to him would feel very wrong. I think his themes are not done, he is simultaneously a god above gods and still a human creation. though there is another possible track for him which I maybe prefer: an infinitely curious amoral force who simply doesn't see human costs as costs. though in that case he'd require a different treatment and I'd love to see him also producing some successful (to our eyes) experiments of happy people, happy colonies, as just another experiment. idk, spitballing too
I want the alien race from the Predator series to become canon to the Alien franchise. Perhaps David makes his way to the Predator home world during his 150 year space god arc and runs afoul of them and they follow him back to Earth to screw up his plans/kill him.
Hey man i love your content great stuff! I can’t exactly remember where but in one of your videos you talked abt how making a movie within a movie was inherently bad and after the novelty wears off it’s structurally unsustainable. Could you expand on that? trying to write one of those rn
Something I didn't see many people talk about is not just that it looks incredibly nice, but that its style actually feels a lot like the implied things we experienced in the originals. Like the movie can finally show the things the other movies simply couldn't do, thanks to today's computer effects.
David needs to have taken over W-Y between Covenant and Alien. Make him the face of the soulless sadistic corporation, and then reveal whatserface from Romulus is Ripley's daughter, giving us our leads for the final showdown, tying the overall conflict together. Also, the goo needs to be diverse, not random - each variant should be a different bioweapon
As someone who has never played alien games, this movie really makes me want to play lethal company and other games this movie takes inspiration from. The experience of the movie was so good I wanna get as close to experiencing it myself as possible
I'm very intrigued to know if you have heard/what you think about Frank Daniels' 8 Sequence structure. (overview to follow since it's hard to find succinct explanations of it online for some reason, and bear in mind that the various schools of thought, from Saving Cats to Journeying with Heroes, suck as they sometimes may, often refer to the same things using different words - I won't take it upon myself to denote every correlation or similarity - let me also say that description and prescription are different things): ACT I Sequence 1: Exposition -The World of the film -Characters -Ordinary routine of life Sequence 2: The Inciting Incident -Point of attack (could also be in Sequence 1) -Setup of the Predicament -“This is the Plan” scene (not always present but often) -Main character's want is established (you also refer to this in some of your videos as the 'externalization' - the conscious or outward expression of their 'belief', as you phrase it (which can be linked to what they need)), and with it the Main Tension of the film ACT II Sequence 3: First Attempts -The most obvious solution, resulting in failure (this is where the movie 'movies', as they say - the comedy comedies, the quirks quirk, the drama dramaticizes, the Ben Stiller's Still, etc, and hijinks ensue) Sequence 4: The First Culmination/Midpoint -Trying something different results in failure or apparent success (the main character may succeed in getting what they want, but not what they need - a hollow victory, or they may fail in both regards) FIRST CULMINATION A significant milestone where it appears the main character has either achieved the Want/Objective (often independent of their need) or has failed in the attempt. For the moment, the question of whether the Main Character will achieve the objective appears to have been answered. At this point the main tension typically loses energy. Sequence 5: New Elements -Backstory, Subplots, New information -Often a break from the Main Tension before it reemerges in the next sequence Sequence 6: The Second Culmination -The Main Character must at last face the unconscious need (or their belief//trauma) and realize real change is necessary -The Main Tension comes back into focus and is resolved either positively or negatively for the Main Character SECOND CULMINATION The Main Character’s belief system is challenged and broken, and the character is changed in a fundamental way. This ushers in the Third Act. ACT III Sequence 7: A New Tension -This sets up a new objective or tension based on the new reality and changes in the Main Character resulting from the Second Culmination. -New exposition and “This is the Plan” scene -A “Third Act Twist” where the main tension is tested one last time to see if things have really changed -New action on new objective based on new circumstances Sequence 8: Denouement -Final confrontation -Resolution of remaining subplots -Aftermath I would also like to acknowledge the muddiness/connotation of 'want' and 'need', and what that means, and I think that they align very closely to what you refer to as 'core belief/urge' and 'stated belief/urge' - the want is the things they deflect to, or have convinced themself they want or need or should do or have or experience, and the need can be more fully determined as the thing they need to address to change. These terms, in this sense, exist independently of the plot/the specific circumstances they find themselves in. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Really liked both the writer's room and alien 8 pitch segments. Getting to hear these brainstorms, staged or real like in the pirate slasher video, is very enjoyable. Hope there is a place for segments like that in the future too. Pretty ambitious sequel idea. You bring up an interesting point about how it might seem marvel-y but it really doesn't have to be if it remains in the style Romulus did. Makes you think what sort of possibly good pitches got slowly transformed into something more basic by hollywood. I worry how they're going to handle that Alien: Earth series, especially with trying to appease the canon. I think if they want to just explore xenomorphs on Earth, they should ust ignore the wider canon and start fresh. But your pitch does make me reconsider whether it's not better to look deeper into what has come before.
I like your pitch it makes it feel worth it for having seen a good chunk of the alien movies instead of having them feel super disconnected as they are currently makes them feel like they live within the same world which is really cool. Do I think the studios will be wise enough to do something similar, that’s still in question and I would probably also be happy with alien presented as a series of sci fi horror thriller slasher films with a new set of characters each time a la Friday the 13th In space. But I think aliens can be a lot more so it would be a shame to devolve it into that
I don't know how anyone can ever defend Alien 3. The opening completely desecrates the vibe, message, hope, and perfection of Aliens entire arc. All for a cash grab. They should have gone with William Gibson's script because it was rad.
In my pitch for an Alien sequel, I'd basically treat Gibson's script as the canon set of events post Aliens, but the story still being standalone so its not necessary to read the script, comic, or listen the audiobook (even if I do recommend them a fair bit) That or let Neil Blomkamp do his Alien film but that feels less and less plausible every passing year since it's cancelation....
David was such a great character, also well casted. Covenant is maybe my 3rd or 4th fav, 1st is the classic, 2nd is the new one for sure, aliens and covnant fight endlessly for 3rd Fun fact, the TTRPG books Alien RPG are all canon and add a lot of world building I'm so happy that the black goo came into this one, it allowed it to be cosmic horror the ai soul plot was solid af
I always liked Alien 3, its so stupid all the hate that movie gets, i suspect alot of people pretend to hate it because they think they are expected to.
Small but important correction: The planet they land on in Covenant has never been stated to be the engineer homeworld, and the people David kills are never stated to be the engineers. In fact, that read is highly unlikely for multiple reasons: 1. They're clearly physically different. 2. The engineers were a space-faring and very advanced civilization, so why would all of them be gathered in one city on one small planet? 3. Why would their city be so under-developed technologically? 4. Why would the "engineers" gather in awe at the appearance of the space-ship? This planet and its people are likely just another colony of subspecies created by the engineers and then left behind.
Though it will likely never happen, I would like to find out the rest of David's story. We need to find out what happened to him, his alien embryo's and that colony ship with thousands of people for him to experiment on.
Would like to see your take on the story in Alien: Isolation (the game), especially since they (after a decade) just announced a sequel. Obviously it's extended / stretched to service game-related needs, yet I feel it was the best entry past Aliens.
Andy and David fight over the future of humanity, whoever wins gets to activate or destroy the mcguffing that will spread the black goo over the universe. Fight happens inside some lava cave or power plant on fire (it's cool and thematic). Andy argues that even if humanity has sinned the people he loves are worth fighting for, David will say that humanity had their run and ruined everything and now it's time for a new lifeform to have their chance. They will settle their differences with a fist fight since they're both already falling apart (maybe literally so) and/or reaching their end of life. As a callback to Prometheus/Covenant the ideas of 'sin' and 'judgement' will play a huge role. David is crazy and evil, but still a rational thinking machine underneath, he sees himself as righteous and judges humanity for creating him (and giving him a life that only brings him misery and constant dissatisfaction), while experimenting with the xenomorphs to figure out for himself if a creature made to be evil can recognize its own sins and stop/forgive itself/become good. Andy's motivation is fairly simple by comparison, however his own faults and imperfections end up being what give him the upper hand. He wins by imitating something he saw a human character doing earlier in the movie, or by doing something crafty but illogical, either way it'll be a testament to human ingenuinity and our ability to overcome the odds. The rest writes itself, choose some flavor of happy ending + some twist that implies the threat isn't fully gone (or don't and just do the happy ending if the next installment is a reboot).
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I just wish we got a Alien movie where the characters in it have the same level of intelligence as the ones on The Thing.
It's called Alien
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@gentlemanscarecrow5987 bro the crew in the first Alien literally ignored all quarantine procedures and brought an obvious health hazard on the ship despite MULTIPLE protests from Ripley. Alien is a masterpiece but the crew was absolutely *not* intelligent.
Hmmm, I totally agree.
The Thing is amazing at making characters realistically competent and incompetent in a situation as horrifying as that.
That was one long-ass elevator ride
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@@cadenbradshaw1470I literally thought this lol
There's definitely some sauce to this. You've got a horror franchise about Aliens but you've never done an alien invasion story? You've already set up a homicidal android who's obsessed with perfecting his freaky ahhh black goo tech, AND he's now got the means to do all of it? And you've also got a polar opposite android who loved his human friend for her whole life because she literally turned back on a ship full of monsters to save him? That's one spicy combination!
The only downside really is that you have to pivot *back* into all the prometheus/covenant stuff that a lot of people would perhaps prefer to get as far away from as possible.
Earth xeno invasion is the eternal blueballs of this franchise.
Honestly, neither were mind-blowing or anything, but for the life of me i don't get the level of hate both those movies got. They were better than most horror, let alone sci-fi horror films of the past decade, (though , sadly, that's not that impressive), but fellow hardcore Alien fans absolutely DESPISE Covenant on a level that i just don't get.
So this is just a hypothesis but I think the reason people get so angry is beacause other things in there life are going badly and making them angry and mediocre sequels to marster peices are where they decide to focus their anger.@@8301TheJMan
@@8301TheJManNeither do I, in fact I actually really enjoyed covenant. David, of course, steals the show
@@KillerKaiju54 Right? Then again, im also one of those weird hardcore Aliens fans who loved both Alien 3 and Resurrection. I mean, it's partly cuz they came out when i was a kid so i have very fond memories of them, but even excluding that factor - just like with Covenant I didn't think either were nearly as bad as everyone makes them out to be. Alien 3 was the only entry that truly scared the shit outa me. I still can remember the first time I watched it: I was home alone, maybe 10 or 11 years old, and watched it right at dusk. Afterwards i was so freaked out i had every light in every room of the house on till my parents got home from work that night, lol
Bro no way, Xenomorph with the yeezies???
EDIT: That artwork kept getting better and better. I want that final image to be the plot of Alien 8.
The Alien Vs Predator movie we should have got lol
He's playing basketball bcuz he black
Local script man creates the hardest image known to man while absolutely yapping 🔥
Yeah I think they should continue the franchise by having monsters from popular monster movies on the Monstars team, maybe have them steal the basketball talent from players again.
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"Are we truly unique, or are we just like alien goo-a churning wave of biomass spreading blindly across the universe, grasping at every chance to propagate itself, indifferent to its own suffering and the suffering of all that it touches? Why is it that the perfect organism, without a soul, exists? Could it be that our consciousness is merely vestigial-that our sense of self is the mental equivalent of an appendix, and that our true nature is no different from that of the alien?"
- that was genial
zoinks scoob
Your description of Alien 3 made me laugh as that's exactly how I felt about it - killing off the 2 main characters from Aliens was unforgivable, it didn't really matter what happened after that, I stopped caring. Same with the new terminator film - they killed off John and I just mentally switched off.
They think they're geniuses with these 'twists' of killing off characters people like. Typical hack writer behavior.
I saw 3 in the theater. I was pissed.
LSM: So you have an Alien sequel for me?
Also LSM: Yes sir, I do
The 8th Alien film should just be a documentary shot by the Predator aliens as they document the gradual extinction of humanity among the stars at the hands of a superior invasive species but the documentary is filmed in such a way that it pays homage to the humans in terms of making them out to appear really dangerous so that way the xenomorphs appear even scarier by comparison, the end of the documentary reveals itself to just be a marketing campaign for safari hunting of xenomorphs in the outer regions of the greater empire of predator species plural*.
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You sound like Trigglypuff.
local script man comes to chicago episode up next? 👀
@@KnjazNazrathit’s not 2016 anymore
@@marnilicious3353 why would he go to africa?
@@KnjazNazrathcringe-ass comment
I got a friend we call rhombus sometimes. So this is alien Rhombus
All of this, plus a good Prey 2, leads into the ultimate end goal. A rebooted, Alien vs Predator, named "Aliens vs Predators".
It feels like an "All Tomorrow's" horror angle with the horror of the goo and David. It's thematic, it's new, and it's great alien horror. That is what I would add to Alien 8.
This video really brings that 👽 back to this channel and I'm here for it
Dude, that writer's room scene was 🔥 After the first couple minutes, I was like "Is he just gonna go all the way with the bit? Oh, he's comMITTED. Sweet." And I just settled in. Good times.
3:40 Oh, so that's what it's called. Totally agree on this one. I dropped the second Bourne movie the moment they sacrificed Marie.
Damn that pitch sounds crazy. Imagine David as some fucked up 'xenomorph emperor' able to psychically control his whole xeno army, imagine during the initial invasion catching glimpses of kaiju sized xeno-creatures through the fog during the evacuation. I mean tyranids are basically xenomorphs so we might as well come full circle and make xenomorphs tyranids.
After they show what happens to the big chap, it just made me think "so the queen alien is probably alive?"
just chilling in orbit lol
possibly but that does not mean she can hurt any one for many years
Somehow palpetine returns
The queen is not alive, the ship was still in orbit when the queen was jettisoned out, so it would have been pulled down by gravity of LV 426 and burnt up in the atmosphere.
There are no queens in the original lore of Alien. That's an invention in Alens and there's no obligation to continue that. They didn't for Alien Isolation, and not really for this either and that is a good thing. The queen makes the organism dependent on having a queen. Without it, it has the ability to spread much worse just by existing.
Earth has fallen...,, billions must have aliens burst out of their chest
My guy!!! These art skills are dope!!
Always love having a subject for Local to yap to. And I love your grown out hair. and the painted tiger face on your partner is cute
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"What if the story was good?"
That's dangerous thinking Lucas. Think about the lack of outrage & clicks. Influencers have to eat you know.
Romulus was a looot of Alien Isolation and Resurrection mushed together with a sprinkle of Aliens and Promevenant (black Goo and Engineer aah looking baby)
4:43 the best summary I have ever heard.
🧐 Speaking as one of the 26%, longer hair looks good- especially when compared to army cuts
With that aside, I loved this video, and the format, love to see your ideas on these kind of things!
I would love an Alien movie set at the xenomorph's true origin: Planet Giger, which is full of disgusting f*cked-up Lovecraftian monsters.
That alien score remix at the end slaps.
This is such a great movie and a fantastic revival. Also, notice how many ideas the OG Halo got from Aliens? I mean, Sgt. Johnson is very similar to Sgt. Apone, cigar and all. Plus, the vehicle designs look awfully reminiscent.
this was such a great summary, really cut well on a need to know basis
congrats on 200K!! It's been so awesome seeing your channel and content grow :D
His drawing skills are improving
this is great and all but the real highlight is your art glowup those aliens dudes are fuckin' ballin'
20:34 thought I wouldn't notice that Warhammer reference?
I thought about baby beetlejuice as well. They end the exact same way in both movies.
0:25 Why has she got a Coconut Crab on her face? Maybe it mistook her head for a coconut?
Romulus was not intelligently written. Ash was meant to be a deep cover cuckoo in the nest character so why does Rook look exactly the same? Why spend millions on set design, creature effects etc and ruin it by having a character quote a line from a movie set 50 years later?
That is such a dumb nitpick 😭 Rook is just the same model of android. It's that simple. The single quoted line is just for fun and fans.
It wasn't just one line. Romulus repeats dozens of lines, and recreates dozens of shots, from the previous Alien movies.
And resurrecting a dead actor, Ian Holm, is what truly ruined the movie. Rook has way more screen time than the undead Peter Cushing in Rogue One.
aside from revenge, what other compulsions do you feel stand on their own narratively that don't fall under any enneagram type?
Reproduction/Survival, probably
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 I forgot aboot bodily compulsions 😯
Alright, I'll give Alien:Romulus a go.
Keep your expectations low.
actually obsessed with this movie for all the reasons you said here. alien has got some cool as shit lore and honestly even though I hate resurrection and prometheus and convenient I do think most of the lore and body horror shenanigans had so much wasted potential. Romulus brought together nearly everything they failed to get right and did it correctly - its a miracle of a reboot movie. plus the character work is so much stronger than I ever expected it to be that even though I knew nearly everyone was dead from the start I was still actually sad and scared for them?
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I'd love to see an Alien movie truly go back to basics like the original - one xeno, small scale, no guns - just with a very different take on the setting and cast. I think Alien 3 started to do this really well in its first act (despite the decision everyone hates) but it doesn't really follow through.
Like what if an alien/facehugger ended up on a farm, or in a residential complex, or a mine, or a hospital? What if the cast was much younger or older? I also think the working class undercurrent is important. What if Weyland-Yutani lets a xenomorph loose to break a strike? So many stories that could be told without having to follow the precedent set by Aliens of just adding more aliens and more guns
The thing with the facehugger coming off is that it would rip the persons skin off or strangle them if was pulled off (what Dallas legit saying "its tearing his skin off" while we also see the tail tighten which on evaluation is kinda a cool way to tell us two things at once), and of course cutting it presents the acid problem.
However, I do like the way that the freezing technique actually worked cus it kinda makes sense, and it doesn't exactly kill the face hugger either. Initially, I was hesitant about this change cus I likes the idea of the face hugger having these defenses, and the freezing tricked kinda cheapens them, but the again it didn't matter in the end.
So for Davids motivation in the 8 th movie I have tow suggestions.
1) David wants the humans that created him to worship him like a god
2) He is trying to find out who created the creators of the engineers and there is something in the genetic memory of some humans that will give him a clue ( as a reason he can just wipe out all humans)
Honestly, it ain't perfect but you are right on with this video. IMO most competent and well thought out horror movie/franchise film out in current year.
Nah bro I need 2 and 1 videos I can't live without my completion 😭😭
Noah Hawley should hire you for the Alien show.
the happy planet invasion sounded great. and Andy's a perfect fit for a community leader and then witnessing that community annihilated. bringing back past characters would have to be handled very delicately though to avoid star-warisation. also David is so wicked his end needs to be really thought-out I think, a mcguffin solution to him would feel very wrong. I think his themes are not done, he is simultaneously a god above gods and still a human creation. though there is another possible track for him which I maybe prefer: an infinitely curious amoral force who simply doesn't see human costs as costs. though in that case he'd require a different treatment and I'd love to see him also producing some successful (to our eyes) experiments of happy people, happy colonies, as just another experiment. idk, spitballing too
hawk tuah alien on that thang!
Saw Alien 3 when it first came out. Everyone agreed the best part of it was the CREEPY Fox fanfare at the start!
I want the alien race from the Predator series to become canon to the Alien franchise. Perhaps David makes his way to the Predator home world during his 150 year space god arc and runs afoul of them and they follow him back to Earth to screw up his plans/kill him.
Hey man i love your content great stuff! I can’t exactly remember where but in one of your videos you talked abt how making a movie within a movie was inherently bad and after the novelty wears off it’s structurally unsustainable. Could you expand on that? trying to write one of those rn
Honestly your hair works short or long, you’ve got just the right amount of curling and volume to kinda do whatever.
if this video gets taken down its because they bought his incredible plot for the next film
Something I didn't see many people talk about is not just that it looks incredibly nice, but that its style actually feels a lot like the implied things we experienced in the originals. Like the movie can finally show the things the other movies simply couldn't do, thanks to today's computer effects.
I love how he just wrote a Socratic dialogue to praise a movie it's a clever way to show all the good choices the story team made
David needs to have taken over W-Y between Covenant and Alien. Make him the face of the soulless sadistic corporation, and then reveal whatserface from Romulus is Ripley's daughter, giving us our leads for the final showdown, tying the overall conflict together.
Also, the goo needs to be diverse, not random - each variant should be a different bioweapon
face no, more the secret ruler who sometimes just wander off for his own goals
As someone who has never played alien games, this movie really makes me want to play lethal company and other games this movie takes inspiration from. The experience of the movie was so good I wanna get as close to experiencing it myself as possible
Lethal Company is great fun with friends; a mix of hilarious and scary.
You should absolutely play Alien: Isolation, especially now that a sequel has been announced
The cinematographer specifically namedrops alien: isolation as an inspiration for elements of Alien: Romulus
Here to echo the Alien: Isolation recommendations.
I felt like I was literally playing Alien Isolation at points while watching Romulus
as a part of your 24.4% female audience, i concur that you should grow ur hair out
female audience here: yeah
seconded
Yeah indeed
Hey is there a discord or other community chat I can find for this channel?
I'm very intrigued to know if you have heard/what you think about Frank Daniels' 8 Sequence structure.
(overview to follow since it's hard to find succinct explanations of it online for some reason, and bear in mind that the various schools of thought, from Saving Cats to Journeying with Heroes, suck as they sometimes may, often refer to the same things using different words - I won't take it upon myself to denote every correlation or similarity - let me also say that description and prescription are different things):
ACT I
Sequence 1: Exposition
-The World of the film
-Characters
-Ordinary routine of life
Sequence 2: The Inciting Incident
-Point of attack (could also be in Sequence 1)
-Setup of the Predicament
-“This is the Plan” scene (not always present but often)
-Main character's want is established (you also refer to this in some of your videos as the 'externalization' - the conscious or outward expression of their 'belief', as you phrase it (which can be linked to what they need)), and with it the Main Tension of the film
ACT II
Sequence 3: First Attempts
-The most obvious solution, resulting in failure (this is where the movie 'movies', as they say - the comedy comedies, the quirks quirk, the drama dramaticizes, the Ben Stiller's Still, etc, and hijinks ensue)
Sequence 4: The First Culmination/Midpoint
-Trying something different results in failure or apparent success (the main character may succeed in getting what they want, but not what they need - a hollow victory, or they may fail in both regards)
FIRST CULMINATION
A significant milestone where it appears the main character has either achieved the Want/Objective (often independent of their need) or has failed in the attempt. For the moment, the question of whether the Main Character will achieve the objective appears to have been answered. At this point the main tension typically loses energy.
Sequence 5: New Elements
-Backstory, Subplots, New information
-Often a break from the Main Tension before it reemerges in the next sequence
Sequence 6: The Second Culmination
-The Main Character must at last face the unconscious need (or their belief//trauma) and realize real change is necessary
-The Main Tension comes back into focus and is resolved either positively or negatively for the Main Character
SECOND CULMINATION
The Main Character’s belief system is challenged and broken, and the character is changed in a fundamental way. This ushers in the Third Act.
ACT III
Sequence 7: A New Tension
-This sets up a new objective or tension based on the new reality and changes in the Main Character resulting from the Second Culmination.
-New exposition and “This is the Plan” scene
-A “Third Act Twist” where the main tension is tested one last time to see if things have really changed
-New action on new objective based on new circumstances
Sequence 8: Denouement
-Final confrontation
-Resolution of remaining subplots
-Aftermath
I would also like to acknowledge the muddiness/connotation of 'want' and 'need', and what that means, and I think that they align very closely to what you refer to as 'core belief/urge' and 'stated belief/urge' - the want is the things they deflect to, or have convinced themself they want or need or should do or have or experience, and the need can be more fully determined as the thing they need to address to change. These terms, in this sense, exist independently of the plot/the specific circumstances they find themselves in.
Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
Please summarize every movie using MS paint and the disinterest of a middle schooler going out to the supermarket with their parents
Doing stuff in space, freaky stuff in space
Really liked both the writer's room and alien 8 pitch segments. Getting to hear these brainstorms, staged or real like in the pirate slasher video, is very enjoyable. Hope there is a place for segments like that in the future too.
Pretty ambitious sequel idea. You bring up an interesting point about how it might seem marvel-y but it really doesn't have to be if it remains in the style Romulus did. Makes you think what sort of possibly good pitches got slowly transformed into something more basic by hollywood.
I worry how they're going to handle that Alien: Earth series, especially with trying to appease the canon. I think if they want to just explore xenomorphs on Earth, they should ust ignore the wider canon and start fresh. But your pitch does make me reconsider whether it's not better to look deeper into what has come before.
The photo of Ripley’s deceased daughter is actually Sigourney’s Mother!
good video, never stop, i thoroughly enjoy all ur videos.
If I was tasked with writing it, I would feel Alien8ed.
The real horror is in what the franchise did with the original movie premise.
I like your pitch it makes it feel worth it for having seen a good chunk of the alien movies instead of having them feel super disconnected as they are currently makes them feel like they live within the same world which is really cool. Do I think the studios will be wise enough to do something similar, that’s still in question and I would probably also be happy with alien presented as a series of sci fi horror thriller slasher films with a new set of characters each time a la Friday the 13th In space. But I think aliens can be a lot more so it would be a shame to devolve it into that
I don't know how anyone can ever defend Alien 3. The opening completely desecrates the vibe, message, hope, and perfection of Aliens entire arc. All for a cash grab. They should have gone with William Gibson's script because it was rad.
In my pitch for an Alien sequel, I'd basically treat Gibson's script as the canon set of events post Aliens, but the story still being standalone so its not necessary to read the script, comic, or listen the audiobook (even if I do recommend them a fair bit)
That or let Neil Blomkamp do his Alien film but that feels less and less plausible every passing year since it's cancelation....
I liked the thing you did with the stereo for the questions and answers.
Also, I took way too long to identify the Predator.
Alien: Romulus is currently my movie experience of the year.
David was such a great character, also well casted.
Covenant is maybe my 3rd or 4th fav, 1st is the classic, 2nd is the new one for sure, aliens and covnant fight endlessly for 3rd
Fun fact, the TTRPG books Alien RPG are all canon and add a lot of world building
I'm so happy that the black goo came into this one, it allowed it to be cosmic horror
the ai soul plot was solid af
My thoughts exactly.
Two vids in a day what a blessing this busy individual has bestowed on us today
i lost my shit at "Johnny Yutani" lmfao great vid, man
I actually
Liked aliens 3
I am one of the 26%, and I say do whatever she says
Also as a part of the 26%, I wholeheartedly agree
Women supporting women🥰
I have never seen an Alien movie, but this video was gold nonetheless
...I actually liked Alien 3. Sorry I'll go back in my box now.
I always liked Alien 3, its so stupid all the hate that movie gets, i suspect alot of people pretend to hate it because they think they are expected to.
I cast my vote for long hair Lucas.
This recap is better than the film
I want to see Emperor David
I will now watch Alien: Romulus.
They should add more aliens to aliens (not xenos/engineers)
3:37 *cough* gege akutami *cough*
Small but important correction:
The planet they land on in Covenant has never been stated to be the engineer homeworld, and the people David kills are never stated to be the engineers. In fact, that read is highly unlikely for multiple reasons:
1. They're clearly physically different.
2. The engineers were a space-faring and very advanced civilization, so why would all of them be gathered in one city on one small planet?
3. Why would their city be so under-developed technologically?
4. Why would the "engineers" gather in awe at the appearance of the space-ship?
This planet and its people are likely just another colony of subspecies created by the engineers and then left behind.
Though it will likely never happen, I would like to find out the rest of David's story. We need to find out what happened to him, his alien embryo's and that colony ship with thousands of people for him to experiment on.
this movie wouldve made me feel a lot better if it didnt make me cringe at all the blatant callbacks
Would like to see your take on the story in Alien: Isolation (the game), especially since they (after a decade) just announced a sequel. Obviously it's extended / stretched to service game-related needs, yet I feel it was the best entry past Aliens.
Did you by chance work on the mass effect series? I'm seeing some themes I loved in that one xD
Would the Blade Runner universe an alien spin-off moving, set in the same universe good pitch?
Bro is on fire with this video
Andy and David fight over the future of humanity, whoever wins gets to activate or destroy the mcguffing that will spread the black goo over the universe. Fight happens inside some lava cave or power plant on fire (it's cool and thematic). Andy argues that even if humanity has sinned the people he loves are worth fighting for, David will say that humanity had their run and ruined everything and now it's time for a new lifeform to have their chance.
They will settle their differences with a fist fight since they're both already falling apart (maybe literally so) and/or reaching their end of life.
As a callback to Prometheus/Covenant the ideas of 'sin' and 'judgement' will play a huge role. David is crazy and evil, but still a rational thinking machine underneath, he sees himself as righteous and judges humanity for creating him (and giving him a life that only brings him misery and constant dissatisfaction), while experimenting with the xenomorphs to figure out for himself if a creature made to be evil can recognize its own sins and stop/forgive itself/become good.
Andy's motivation is fairly simple by comparison, however his own faults and imperfections end up being what give him the upper hand. He wins by imitating something he saw a human character doing earlier in the movie, or by doing something crafty but illogical, either way it'll be a testament to human ingenuinity and our ability to overcome the odds.
The rest writes itself, choose some flavor of happy ending + some twist that implies the threat isn't fully gone (or don't and just do the happy ending if the next installment is a reboot).