Delighted by all these GF references keep em coming. Also Dipper is the perfect example of a type 6, he's the paranoid type in the show, but we see how quickly he attaches himself to Ford toward the end of the series. I can totally see him blindly following a cause if it's Ford's cause. He's the Author! He knows what he's doing! Right?
The way he attaches himself to Ford reminds me of some Sx5 descriptions I've seen, but then again, 5s retreat I to their minds and imaginations as a means of dealing with fear, which Dipper doesn't seem to do all that often, despite his active mind.
I dated a six once, and the thing I realized about sixes is that the Why never changes. Sixes hate being on shifting sand more than anything else. They crave - even need - stability in their lives, and, if the thing they thought was stable turned out not to be, they either have to push it out of their life, force it to become stable, or destroy it. The conspiracy theorist, “tear everything down” sixes are just people who are pushing against every boundary and object until they find something stable. If it isn’t stable, it falls over, and they find the next thing. That why some sixes become obsessed with the Platonic form of Truth: if Truth is unshakable, and everything else is shifting sand, then they become obsessed with Truth. Sixes want to build their house on a rock, and they’ll run back and forth along the beach until they find one
Your comment made me realize that 6 could sound a little similar to a 9 who also seeks stability and may keep themselves in less than good situations to hold on stability, but a 9 would do it for harmony and comfort while a 6 would do it for fear
@@Mariposa-rgb I really identified with the 9 video but also identified with this one...and I think I figured out why. I think I was more of a 9 back in the day, but ever since a VERY BIG trauma happened with a "friend" I cut ties with...which I placed a great deal of faith in for some reason...I've become more like a 6 as a result. Its actually crazy that part of me wants to go back into the hole I was in before...not because its a good place to be but simply because I at least recognize what it is...whereas now I feel unstable. Even when I find footing I'm still fearful because its temporary...hence feeding into my desire to find something more stable long term...possibly enteral even. Case in point the three of you in this reply chain hit the nail right on the head! Despite the fact that I know that the REAL way forward in life is to relinquish control and accept the unknown...part of me wishes to go back...to go back to trying to be comfortable rather than running away out of fear. Crazy how these videos and comments can not only be useful for understanding other people but also yourself! lol :P
@@Alienrun thank you for sharing your experience. Lucas has said that he doesn’t pay much care to all the stuff about Wings, and Triads and Lines and all the extra stuff you will find if you start going down the enneagram rabbit hole, but interestingly the line of Stress from 9, points towards 6, meaning that a 9 in stress will take the characteristics of a 6. But I like Lucas’s view that instead of lines pointing at single numbers for growth and stress, every one of us have all the numbers bs and conflicts.
The way that he's referencing types he hasn't talked about yet, as someone who isn't already super familiar with the enneagram, is making me want to binge the whole thing again after he releases the 1 video
He's definitely writing these to be watched interchangeably once they're all up. Honestly kinda surprised he didn't drop them all at once but I imagine algorithm reasons.
Silco from arcane is a very obvious counterphobic six. He's latched onto the ideology of "independent zaun" and holds to it dogmatically until he has to make a choice between it or jinx.
?? Isn't Silco an 8? ANGER at topside, idealising Strength and Independance as means to finally creating justice through direct Zaunite-Action? Silco is obsessed with the "weakness" that the protection/prioritisation of Vanders Children poses, and aways urges strength. For a supposed fear type, silco is pretty agressive and gets very mad when things don't go his way I don't understand this typing. When the Zaunite Uprising (anger expression) was crushed, Silco decided the Undergroud needed to grow stronger. Vander, in the same position, decided that Underground Anger needed to be compromised and held back to keep the peace. (sorta 9 coded, maybe 1 but then again i don't see him being pedantic and falling on his own sword like a batman - hard to type since he is pretty healthy)
@@kartonrad although I think the anger is actually part of his ideology. you can tell that it is an anger born out of fear. it's stressed, manic anger. it's not gut anger, it's logical anger. topsiders oppress us, so we should be angry. same for strength and independence. he clings to these as an ideal to keep him safe from his fear. he is trying to escape his fear, not his anger. Sevika is also pretty 6-coded, but that's obvious because her whole thing is loyalty. I think vi is way more 8-coded than silco. whenever she needs to solve a problem, she relies on her fists to solve it for her. she feels the most comfortable when she is in control of the situation (like with that scene where she got jumped in ep1 and she just stared down the knife) and has absolutely no hesitation when it comes to using violence to solve a problem. when things don't go her way, she crashes out and says something rash that she doesn't really mean. when she is at the lowest point in her life, she has nothing else to do other than punch, scream, and drink away the pain. you can physically see the toll that the anger building up inside her has. even the songs playing during the scenes that focus on her the most are super angry heavy metal tracks. she is fueled by anger, while silco is fueled by fear.
@@TheSamAins Jinx is obviously a 2. her entire character is about her self-worth and her relationships. she sees herself as only destructive and not worthy of love, so she turns to people like vi, silco, and isha to potentially give her life value and meaning. you are forgetting that silco freely offers up his deepest darkest pain to jinx. he isn't hesitant to be vulnerable towards her at all. she tells him, "you told me this story a thousand times." an 8 would want to keep that story covered and not let anyone know about the moment where they were out of control of their situation. however, silco does it for the cause. he tells jinx that story to motivate her towards that cause, because he believes in it deeply.
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I think a good way of understanding the two different "types" of sixes is that they're just varying manifestations of fixation on the part of the six. The six is afraid of the external world and hyperfixates on it. If they don't have a support structure then they'll focus on an external threat, hence the paranoia version. If they have a support structure they believe is adequate for meeting their needs, their focus will be on ensuring that support structure remains stable. So they aren't really two differen types of sixes. they just focus on threat analysis of a hostile force or internal issues within their in-group, depending on which they think is a bigger issue.
i'm currently rewatching she ra and the princesses of power and one of the characters (catra) is one of the most type 6 characters i've ever seen. her entire character arc is about her attaching herself to different people in power so they could protect her. and then overthrowing them when they throw her away and disregard everything she had done for them.
She's even like that with adora who has no actual power over her, but adora still is the wall that throws herself into danger for her sake. I don't think she ever hates adora *for that* like she says, she just can't consciously recognize the fact that her entire self-worth revolves around making herself useful to other people, nor can she reconcile that with her (often correct) belief that being emotionally vulnerable makes you weak and just lets people hurt her worse (like if she ever told adora how she really feels and she still left, catra wouldn't survive much longer, she'd be recklessly throwing herself into danger at every opportunity). All her hatred for adora comes from the fact that adora loves her unconditionally and always has, and she can't understand why she'd love a failure like her. Tbh I don't think she ever actually unlearns this, she just recontextualizes it. Since *literally everyone else* she's ever trusted sees her as a disposable pawn, she'll at least spend her last moments making herself useful to the only one who really cared. Repeatedly being lulled into a sense of security only for the rug to be pulled out from under her, often for reasons entirely outside her control, just kinda breaks her. Her actions in the S4 finale at least are ultimately just another expression of her lashing out as she always does when she doesn't see any other options.
a good way to explain 6s is comparing them to 3s because we are better at noticing pride masking shame than we are at noticing bravery/loyalty masking fear/distrust
I can't remember the video but someone pointed out that sokka is also a 6 coded character - when we meet him he's inherently distrustful and low-key anxious around outsiders and masks his crippling insecurity by embracing sexist gender stereotypes and asserting his role as the leader. Part of his arc is learning to break out of those limiting mindsets and trust in his skills as a strategist
I feel ike the cathloic 6 complex can be really intense. Not only is it about loyalty to a system of rules and roals prescribed to you, its also about the fear of hell. The physical safety urge drives all behavior because every desision with any kind of moral import attached can SEND YOU TO HELL if your not careful.
Kendall Roy from Succession is my favorite example of a 6 tragedy in fiction. His constant flip flop between deadset loyalty to his father and frantic rebellion against him is so emblematic of the 6 fixation, driven by an immense fear of failure with no capacity for middle ground.
I'm a type 6, conspiracy flavour, and I think I understand what lies in the core of our fixation, but also how it results in so many different manifestations. I grew up in an environment where I learned early on that my caretakers were at best incapable and often untrustworthy and even malicious, but being autistic, my social intuition also failed me and I became an easy target for my peers. My only choice was to observe patterns and obsessively predicting everything that could go wrong: all the ways people could hurt me, and all the things I could potentially do or say to prevent that. And to a degree, that worked. It also made me very good at school, which is important later. At this point I resembled a 9. Very passive on the outside, very inoffensive. But I wasn't resigned to my fate like a 9 would be. On the inside my mind was constantly active, still looking for answers still trying to figure out the 'something'. Because there had to be a 'something' to figure out, I assumed. There was always some bad fate to avoid. I fixated on my fear of death. I rejected religion because I didn't trust the people involved, and their answers didn't satisfy me. Heaven was too uncertain. 'Just believe' was not an option. I thought a lot about morality, authority, how poorly the world is run. This continued to my mid-teens when political compass memes rolled around which got me hooked on political theory. I started reading about and identifying with various branches of anarchism. This may have been the first time an ideology had resonated with me. But I still didn't trust the people involved with it. I suspect that's the core difference between the loyalist type and the conspiracist - whether or not their distrust extends to ALL people. To a loyalist this could've been good enough, but I still couldn't bring myself to trust. I had this cognitive dissonance of searching for certainty, but being reflexively skeptical of people who thought they found it. The danger in my environment subsided, and my academic success pointed my fixation on success fantasies. My obsessive predicting turned to fantasies of success and what I had to do to obtain it, and the new problems I'd have to face when I got there. At this point I resembled a 3. But I wasn't pursuing a feeling of worthiness. I didn't want fame or acclaim, I was rather scared of it. But my fear of death and the pointlessness of existence led me to looking for meaning in increasingly delusional ideas. Started off with self-help books, ended up with thoughts of attaining immortality, taking over the world, uploading my brain to a computer, etc. Obviously very counter to anarchism's whole thing, but I wasn't exactly self-aware at this point. Went to uni. I burned out hard. Things got better. I burned out hard again. I had to admit to myself that my fantasy was delusional. And as I slumped into a deeper and deeper pit, the rapidity with which I seeked out new routes to salvation increased. These varied a lot. On the negative, my magical thinking became much stronger. My pattern noticing brain went into overdrive. I started finding parallels between the things I wrote and the things that happened in my life. I started worrying that my thoughts would become real. I started thinking my life is meaningless if I don't spread the truths I've discovered. My paranoia increased and I noticed myself having those stereotypical "The CIA is onto me" type thoughts. (Eventually I recovered through a lot of reflection and learning about my psychology and zen buddhism and learning to be vulnerable etc etc. It's a long story too, but we're talking about the icky stuff here so I won't dwell on it.) All of this to say - no wonder 6s can be so varied. Depending on where I settled in my search I could've become any of the following characters: perfect Christian boy, desperate social activist, delusional business guy, aspiring cult leader, actual tinfoil hat wearer. And I'm just one person! A formative distrust of authority, an unreliance on one's own intuition, resulting in chronic anxiety-fueled paranoid overthinking, trying to find a mental model that leaves no room for uncertainty. The search for the answer to an unanswerable question can bring you anywhere.
I just finished listening to the Magnus Archives, and Martin Blackwood is another great example of a type six romance tied into a larger story about allegiances and conspiracies. He’s such a well-written character.
That, and also a phobic and a counterphobic can switch to each other, back and forth. They're just two modes that depend on whether or not the 6 has anything to hold onto. If the army abandons the soldier, he'll become the conspiracy theorist. Give the conspiracy theorist a thought leader, and he'll become a soldier for their cause.
in my mind the very first characters i thought of when hearing about how a 6 pathology works were Simon and Grace from Infinity Train. Grace represents a positive confrontation of her problems, overcoming the illusion she and her gang submitted to out of fear of losing themselves to the train. Eventually, through her adventures with Hazel and Tuba, she is disillusioned from her own rhetoric that she spread. Being the creator of the rhetoric in the first place, Grace is able to approach this awakening more, well, gracefully. She forms an understanding that the creatures and people the train create ARE real and DO have feelings, and killing them is no different than killing a person. She's changed for good, unable to accept what she previously thought after meeting the conductor herself. Simon, on the other hand, represents the negative spiral that 6s can fall into. He not only had a worse experience on the train than Grace before teaming up with her, but he also didn't come up with the rhetoric. He was the very first to submit to Grace's ideas and treat them as the utter truth, because he was desperate for something concrete to latch onto in this insane, terrifying puzzle environment. He spread her ideas even more than she did. They became a permanent installation in his identity; an unceasing loyalty to a cause he didn't even understand. He never met the conductor. He caught on to Grace's changes and was horrified. He didn't see or feel the things Grace saw and felt. So, once Grace DOES finally understand and she tries to enlighten Simon, he snaps. It's a betrayal of the highest order. This is a matter of life and death for him, and he is willing to do whatever it takes to keep this comfortable blanket of conspiracy overtop his actions. If what he thought was true wasn't actually true, then that would mean he killed people for no reason. Simon tries to murder Grace, and the entire time that they are fighting Grace is desperately trying to pull him out of it, to bring him to shore and rescucitate him. He is like a brother to her, and while she is able to forgive him because she understands what he believes to be true, he is unable to forgive himself, so he sticks to what he thinks is right until his bitter end, getting his lifeforce sucked out of him by a Goam. Now that I think of it, Infinity Train is absolutely full to bursting with excellent portrayals of many of the numbers on the enneagram.
Great video ! Personally I always saw Macbeth as a 6 story. At the beginning Macbeth has a purpose in serving the king loyally and is seemingly healthy, but after recieving the prophecy and telling his wife he caught between his loyalty to the king and his loyalty to Lady Macbeth. His loyalty to Lady Macbeth wins because she preys on his insecurities and he kills the king. He then proceeds to become paranoid about people taking the throne and stuff because he is trying to keep himself safe in his new role/purpose but it is bad because he was never meant to have that purpose in the first place. And then ultimately his paranoia/attempts to keep himself safe lead to his death because he is a poor and insecure leader.
This series is single handily helping answer the questions I’ve had for years about how to move forward with the kind of characters and stories I want to tell
The most comprehensive dissertation I can possibly reccomend on the type 6 is H.P. Lovecraft, the most 6 type 6 to have ever existed and you can learn a lot about paranoia from his stories. Not because Lovecraft was necessarily type 6 himself, but his stories are that quitessential type 6 journey of being confronted by the unknown.
I just realized but Hughie from the Boys (the show) is totally a type 6 fixation. Everything he does, every action, every choice is fundamentally 6-driven. Him always clinging to the Boys, even when they're doing super shady shit. And as you said for 6s, he carries a lot of anger for someone who's personality is 'anxious white everyman protagonist' . I could be wrong but that's how I see it Anyway great video!! Always super helpful (but I was also wondering how exactly does a 6 fixation come to be, the "wound")
The 'wound' for a 6 would probably be a certain group/ideology/belief helping them survive in some way, give them safety from an external threat (or at least, that's how the 6 perceives it). This could in theory happen to anyone, but maybe in child development terms, they were rewarded for clinging to a certain 'allegiance' when they were young. the video didn't really go into this part, so this is just my idea.
Wdym jumping allegiances? He's pretty steadfast in his loyalty, he's with The Boys all the way, the one bit he shifts on is just him wanting to do the same job "the right way" and *that* is what is variable between the seasons, but if he can't take group with him he doesn't bail on them even when he could dozens of times. Worst case scenario he understandably gets tired of Butcher and complains a lot but when butcher isn't literally having a mutiny Hughie stays in lockstep despite his complaints. The anger part yeah tho he's insecure af, especially at first.
@@krystalneko4094 Yeah I suppose I worded it wrong, that's what I meant. Less jumping allegiance and more 'trying out different ways of attack', which I suppose is Hughie getting somewhat(?) a little healthier on the 6-type scale, then regressing by sticking to Butcher completely in S3. He's still a 6 all the way, clinging to the Boys and Annie throughout every season. 'Us vs them' rhetoric all the way.
And here I was just thinking about how BUTCHER'S deep inherent need to be following someone, working for someone, flying someone's name as a banner to be able to carry on justifying his own existence as being in service of something was giving extremely 6 vibes
@@iamliterallyderanged5461 is he really tho? He doesn't seem like a guy who has much in the way of loyalty beyond keeping his promises to Becca and he has a really hard time doing even that. I'm not super well versed on the enneagram but isn't there a type where they're motivated by a singular goal to the exclusion of all else. I mean my first thought would be 1 but iirc 1s ideally put themselves together and use their morality to affect others, but butcher doesn't care if the team agrees with him as long as they're invested in the general mission
As someone with a Type 6 fixation myself, I’m starting to realize that the phobic and counterphobic fixations aren’t exactly mutually exclusive. After watching this video, a lot of my worries started making way more sense. For instance, I now know that loyalty to people, organizations, and structures isn’t necessarily the whole of achieving external security, but it’s more like covering all your bases so that no friend, organization, or structures can hurt you on the basis of disloyalty. Thing is, within power structures I’m constantly semi-paranoid for threats against me within those structures in spite of my loyalty to them. As an example, in college I was the student government representative for one of the clubs on campus. I didn’t want the job, it sucked, but I believed that my hard work and sacrifices would be rewarded. Still, a single lapse in judgment brought me into conflict with the club president, and suddenly it got very lonely for me. Nonetheless, I stayed fiercely loyal to the club itself, believing that my dedication would insulate me from political attacks. It didn’t work and in the end I actually got permabanned from the club for life lmao. That said, my point is that in my real life experience as a Type 6, I can be fiercely loyal to an external body and remain suspicious of external threats originating from that body, but that paranoia is rarely enough to make continued loyalty cost-prohibitive
I think it is when a 6-type character turns to the side of safety to the point of complete disregard to the outside world is when the 6 type becomes a danger to itself. Really, the biggest danger for 6 type isn't the world, but their incompatibility with society. Zuko is a great example: If he stayed in 6-type tendencies, he could have wasted his life for nothing. That's me analysis, based on the video. I must give my respect and say that you gave me a lot of insight into the enneagram, regardless if I learned or if I failed to learn.
Batman is (usually, depending on the writer) one of the quintessential counterphobic 6s. The death of his parents scarred him for life and he dedicated himself to the cause of making the streets safe for other children so they dont end up like him.
@@ThirdphpI'm not super into Batman, but what I know about him is that fear is a driving force for him. Bruce has a horrible fear of bats, yet he themed himself around them.
Makes me wonder if miles morales at the start of spiderverse counts as a type 6 he’s a wad of anxiety all through that first movie until he has to take that famous leap of faith
I’d say yes. I’ve seen other people say he is and even in the sequel he has some six coding with wanting to belong to a group and having to rely on himself.
@@misteralgorithm1849 yea I can see that being the takeaway, he self actualizes in such a perfect way in ATSV with the “nah imma do my own thing” bit but now I wonder what else is he gonna have to do to break even more free from everything
i've pretty much enevr seen anyone else say this anywhere, but Batman has always been a deeply 6 character to me. his whole drive is being so frightened of the world he tries to regain power over it by reflecting that fear back at the world through the Batman persona
That does not sound like a 6 to me at all. My understanding is that the 6 aligns themselves with factions, ideologies or people because knowing their place in the world makes them feel more secure. Batman doesn’t primarily view himself as being part of a faction or a team and in many stories it doesn’t come naturally to him. If anything I think he’d be an 8 or a 1, though that depends on specific story or portrayal.
@@flying_ace_ Yes. Every enneagram type fixation is driven by fear to some extent, so having some trauma/wound far in the past that terrified them does not indicate they're a fear type. Everybody uses their coping strategies because they think something bad will happen if they don't. So what makes something a fear type? Good question. I would say it's a matter of how far down in the subconscious it is. Most types pushed it fairly far down over the years, but with fear types it's lurking just beneath the surface in a simmer of anxiety. Even the 7 whose whole deal is that they try to push it away have it very close by and dictating their actions. The high baseline anxiety just doesn't seem like Batman to me. Of course Batman is not just a singular character, he's a vague concept and grab bag of elements that has gone through countless interpretations by thousands of writers for over a century. Your conceptualization of the character can be very different from mine and neither is objectively correct, even more so than most fictional characters.
@@katherinehertel1360 i think that's exactly what i was referring to and where my view of the character differs from what i see other people say. to me, a high level of baseline fear/anxiety is ABSOLUTELY a batman thing lol
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As a 6... It's all about predictability. If we can't guess what will happen, we will force what will happen.. if we can guess what will happen, and don't like it, we will run from what will happen. Organizations are just a way to increase predictability..
I actually have a 6 character, in fact she's the main character of the book I'm working on, who has like a dissociative split mind disposition where she goes back and forth between the phobic and counterphobic tendencies. I didn't write her with the enneagram in mind but that description perfectly describes what's going on with her, and I do think both of those sides of her make sense with her character and in light of the 6 complex.
@@iantaakalla8180 No definitely not. Eren would be an 8 for the majority of the story since his desire for control over his environment is his fundamental motivation in the form of freedom. Mikasa is a 6 who uses Eren as a shield to protect herself from the fear of the cruel world
Ok, nice to know. 8s are power stuff (and Eren wants power and only follows that), 6s are dedication to a cause because of stability. I hope that is actually correct?
Being introduced to the enneagram via these videos is fun because they keep alluding to types that I'm unaware of now. Creates some really strong replayablity as more come out.
I'd honestly argue that, while a control freak character like Scott Summers seems like a 1, he's deeply six-coded. Cyclops/Scott Summers is a guy who fundamentally believes that due to his destructive powers, the only place he can belong is the X-Men. He attaches himself to Professor X's ideals and mission because he believes that normal/happy life isn't possible for him due to his powers and years of repressed trauma. It's no wonder why he's often framed at the center of the found family dynamic in X-Men comics because the found family dynamic allows Scott to learn that he can live a happy life outside of his feverish commitment to Xavier's mission. Most writers agree that the ideal narrative endpoint of Scott Summer's story is him living the happy/normal life that all mutants deserve. I could be entirely off the mark, but they way you describe sixes is incredibly similar to how I've read the character arc of Cyclops for YEARS!
reading through this as someone who's never really read x-men comics, but this idea that cyclops is "too dangerous to have anything but the life of an x-man" and that he needs to let go of his destructive self-image and allow himself to be normal seems very 4 coded to me
I think the Malcom X autobiography by Spike Lee is suuuuuper six coded, flailing around from structure of thought to structure of thought, 6 type character in a 6 type world showcasing the tragedy of ideological binding, ultimately being killed by the same members of a group he was effectively exiled from. Maybe the single most 6 story in cinema/irl.
So your vides are the first I'm learning about Enneagrams, but I think the thing that connects the two types of sixes, is that they sound like they are all about ingroup-outgroup. A loyalty based six has found their tribe, and will do whatever they have to in order to play that role, while remaining critical and paranoid of outsiders. Meanwhile paranoid based sixes have either yet to find an ingroup that works for them, or acknowledge that just finding an ingroup and tying themselves to it is unhealthy, or just see "I'm an outsider" as their ingroup.
I realized Kobeni from Chainsaw Man is 6 coded character. In this series devils and devil hunters exists. In one episode Kobeni and the cast get trapped in a infinite loop by the eternity devil, it says sacrifice this guy and i Will let the rest go. And the cast are like nah we wont and they decide to search for a way out. Except for Kobeni. She goes mad and tries to kill the guy the devil wants to leave, also freaks out and accuses someone from being an enemy spy.
Best explanation for six. Anxiety causes them to hyper latch on to an identity that is a firmed by others E.g. military e.g. conspiracy theorists e.g. social justice, e.g. the manosphere red pill, etc etc They fundamentally believe the world is an unstable place. When I write sixes I read psychological journals on BPD
Truly and sincerely, thank you so much for going over this stuff. I never knew about the enneagram before but have really appreciated the insight and input. The way that you go over these concepts as a tool and not the end-all be-all makes it far more approachable, than if I had discovered this from somebody who was perhaps too serious. Keep up the amazing work
The conflict of the constant uncertainty of life, and how to survive that is the core struggle. You touch on it that 6s are context people. The healthy trajectory of 'trusting yourself' is true, to an extent. In my experience, the healthiest I have been as a 6 is when I am always poking and prodding at myself and the systems/groups/etc.. that I believe in. There is no healthy certainty to a 6. There is always a questioning of principles and beliefs, and that goes for internal beliefs and external. The ideal *healthy* 6 character should always be critiquing and testing the systems they have pledged themselves to for faults and breaches of principles/beliefs, while also testing their own beliefs and principles for faults. I think a lot of this is hard to show in characterization because a lot of it is internal. Actions are much easier to show when unhealthy: the unwavering loyalty, and the blind paranoia. The healthy actions are investigating the responses to events whenever new contexts arise for both themselves and the thing they have chosen to believe in, and that is hard to pinpoint for a character without diving into their head frequently. Survival is often the driving factor in this, but 6s will also, when attached to something, believe in the survival of that thing over their selves. An unhealthy 6 can have a martyr complex, constantly wanting to sacrifice themselves for the belief. A healthy 6 will attempt to fight to ensure the survival of the belief, and in doing so may become a martyr. Sometimes the actions between healthy and unhealthy can look the same on the outside, but 6s are context people after all. All that being said, a damn good video, and I just wanted to expand upon these things in particular, and they may not be true of all 6s. There is always uncertainty. :)
@@SmithMason5494 i think always questioning your beliefs thing can count as always trusting yourself because the questioning itself comes from yourselves
This video made me realize my type 7 character was actually a type 6, I audibly gasped from the revelation. Thank you for pinning down an incredibly nebulous type, can’t wait for more enneagram vids 🙏😊
Ooh, ooh, super interesting that you brought up the hunger games as a six story, because the full trilogy actually does the six story twice. The first book is all about her reckoning with her place in the system of the capital, then the other two are about her reckoning with her place as a leader of sorts for the resistance. A perfect example of a six breaking out of one system only to find themselves in a different system, and having to break out again.
Honestly I think 6's aren't split because they're not really different. The loyal servant is the same thing as a paranoid conspiracy nut when you boil it down to "root for your team and boo your opponent no matter what". It's being overly critical of opposing views and overly accepting of what confirms the ones you have. It's just the soldier's (phobic) in a system that comforts their belief and plays to it and the conspiracy theorist (counterphobic) is in a system that tells them they're wrong with only maybe a couple people reaffirming their belief. And honestly, for the Dipper example (Gravity Falls spoilers inbound), he is that loyal soldier a lot of the time. He's just loyal to his cause of finding out what the book means and you can see that in how hard he commits to Ford when he comes in, willing to divulge everything without a skeptical bone in his body when he finds out Ford wrote the journals, causing friction with Mable and eventually ending in a united force against Bill. That faith only wavering when he thought Ford was in cahoots with Bill. But he's a conspiracy nut to everyone that doesn't know what's going on until that point. These two prongs aren't different personalities, they're different presentations of the same dysfunction; overcommitting to a set of beliefs to the point of stonewalling anything that opposes it as illegitimate or as a trick. That's my take at least. I could be wrong of course, i don't know much about the enneagram, but that's how i made sense of it.
I am both the young soldier looking for belonging and the paranoid conspiracist I love my certainty whether that was trying and failing at religious-ness, diving down psychologically scarring rabbitholes that might be true (believing it nonetheless), or enlisting. I remember being forcibly radicalized and put along faction boundaries ever since like 2016 and the great political polarization started to tear at american culture. I have been lead many places since then, ping ponging across the political spectrum. I once felt the counterphobic 6 impulse to run up and destroy a stage play because I hated being forced to be a part of it... It was a better choice to quit before I listened to that impulse. PAJAMA SAM HOLY SHIT I LOVE PAJAMA SAM
i questioned myself if i was a truth seeker six, because i always try to understand everything to its limit and catagorize it all in a one big theory of everything but i figured out that sixes do this kind of truth seeking to feel secure, and i do it to feel smart and worthy of love (because of my "kid genious" intelligence fixation that were given to me by my parents) so yeah in broader terms they just want to trust something and feel secure
Study philosophy and the limits of ontology and epistemology, as well as the Munchausen's trilemma, would be my suggestion of big picture 'where's the ends and limits'. The trilemma honestly saved me a lot of banging head against wall
Honestly sounds like a 3 or a 5. 5s end up understanding and in some cases creating their own inner system towards certain concepts. 5s feel secure in feeling competent/capable in their knowledge and that can even outstretch into proving it to other people if they have a trauma of their worth being their intellect (which mean even give way to a 3). The core fear of a 5 is being useful and not feeling helpless in the face of the outside world. Though 5s are usually observers, it is usually out of anxiety that they are not capable with the resources that they have. So, they conserve themselves into their inner world and in pursuit of knowledge that they can later use their knowledge to try to navigate the world. A 3s basic fear is being worthless and they tend to cope with ambition, achievement, and admiration. Triangulation of searching for the truth can be any enneagram because it is part of critical thinking and data gathering but hyper-focus on it can be both 5 and 6; but for 5 it is understanding something out of curiosity of accurate data rather than a critical view on the truth. Asking yourself "What fear have I carried on into adulthood the most?" is a good start. I suggest doing research on each type and reflect on your own fears and motivation. Always remember this is simply a tool for you to become self aware of yourself and gain self improvement and many people can relate to many of these enneagrams in different ways, we all don't just have one fear.
Great video. I think everyone can kinda intuitively understands the 6 problem, but putting into words always seemed difficult. Fantastic job framing it this way, that frantic need to attach themselves to safety is a great way to show a distillation of the type, and how it might lead to those extreme takes on the 6.
Please continue to relate A colon TLA characters to their respective enneagram types. The Zuko comparison helped sixes click for me in a really strong way. Same with season 1 Alicent. After your first enneagram video, I was under the impression that I was a six. Since doing more reading + spending time to understand my drives I believe I’m a 1. It’s helpful to see how people/characters get mistyped; I can see why I thought I was a six for a little while more clearly now.
Excellent work again! Just started on a new writing project and I'm finding these videos to be simultaenously inspiring, interesting and incredibly useful. Thanks for making them, looking forward to more :)
"edgy volatile anti heroes" like Zuko, Sasuke, Anakin Skywalker etc. are actually pretty often 6s. The reactive + superego combo almost naturally introduces the element of an internal struggle between between light & darkness. I agree with you that you can spot them from the themes & the identity they agonize about being tied to the environment.
Jonathon Sims from the Magnus Archives seems like a 6 to me. His whole reason for joining the Magnus Institute was to understand the context of his traumatic childhood experience and he keeps pushing further in his need to understand and Know things but it is in order to find out where he stands in the world and what the rules of the dangers are. He even starts as a hardcore sceptic, believing that rejecting the supernatural stuff will keep his world safe and easier to understand, to very paranoid, as he looses his footing because he discovers he was wrong about his place in the world and what was safe. His need to understand doesn’t seem to come from a place of wanting to be competent like a 5 but more so as a self-preserving way to figure out how the darkness works He also goes on an interesting journey for a six because once he realizes the danger it’s too late to separate himself from it and has to figure out how he can create his own safe place within it and sometimes even using it to do so. He cannot separate himself from the system so he uses it to his advantage until he ultimately figures out how to destroy it
After you finish the Enneagram series - would you consider putting all of them together in one video? And just wanted to say this series has really helped my writing and changed the way I look at characters - so thank you! Keep up the great work
Your videos got me researching the enneagram for my rpg characters. One of them I had decided was a 6. the “loyal skeptic” terminology was confusing but ended up interpreting it as “they fear a lack of approval and therefore are anxious for reassurance, and constantly need feedback. Might even setup ‘sincerity tests’ for their source of approval”. Didn’t even occur to me to split it in subtypes. Makes sense
Also… could work as a parent story. They don’t trust anyone or anything but they have to give over trust to their child as their child grows up. They have to make that leap of faith that they have given the child the necessary tools for survival.
Floki from Vikings reminds me of enneagrams 5-6 because of his fixation on his Gods/religion (Norse Mythology). His cracks start to show whenever his beliefs are challenged in any way (I.e his first exposure to Christianity in Lindisfarne and Athelstan’s insistence in one God, in the first seasons at least).
I said this as a reply to a comment, but thinking about it, I think it's worth being a standalone comment: A phobic and a counterphobic 6 are not different enneagram types because they can switch to each other, back and forth. They're just two modes that depend on whether or not the 6 has anything to hold onto. If the army abandons the soldier, he'll become the conspiracy theorist. Give the conspiracy theorist a thought leader, and he'll become a soldier for their cause. Some people just find more safety or value in one more than the other, the same way some people are pulled towards being one-to-one or social or self preservation. In fact, the "counterphobic" 6 is just the countertype of the 6. To explain more, each type has three subtypes (self, one-to-one, and social) and each type has one subtype that clashes with it in some way and makes the type act in ways that don't "feel like" they should be the same type. The 9 is "usually" chill and passive as they maintain peace for themselves, but a social 9 will be driven to workaholism as they try to maintain peace for several people at the same time. They look different, but same type. And a social 9 might act like a self 9 when alone, or when away from their social groups. Unlike a type (which is extremely hard to change, if possible), people's subtype changes constantly, just like their "health"/consciousness/whatever you call "how well they can fight their demons". Some more than others, it just depends on if a person values one of the three subtypes more, or ignores a subtype. Does a person focus more on their legacy more than family? Self more than others? Can stress or happiness change their focus? Categorizing characters into subtypes usually isn't that helpful in the long run, as it becomes too granular to be useful (as LocalScriptMan stated in the first video). But having an idea of subtypes and countertypes can allow you to make characters that don't "look like" their type, or give you an idea of how a type might pursue a goal, or act in a situation you've thrown them in. A 6, in a large social group, will act like a phobic/soldier and march with the crowd for safety. When alone, a 6 will find safety by hiding from the world and making a safe space for themself. When in a one-to-one relationship, will find safety by acting counterphobic and tough. Just like any other type!
I'm a 6w5. This is an interesting take on the matter. As for me, I know a lot of my six-ness comes from some seriously traumatic stuff in my childhood and/or formative years.
I think this one may be the fuzziest one because the very concept of a trauma response implies a consistent unhealthy behaviour caused by fear of a traumatic event repeating , which is applicable-ish to every type to a certain extent , and can be considered to be like a 6 since its about consistent behaviour due to fear
This was the moment I realized my novel series is six coded. I mean, I know what it's about already, but seeing it codified like this is very interesting.
Barely relevant but I'd like to challenge your typing of Henry Hill as a 6. Your interpretation makes a lot of sense, and I actually do think that the real Henry Hill was probably a 6, but the fictionalised one we have in the movie, in my opinion, is likely a 7. GoodFellas is a very 7 movie. It has a lot of 8 characters like you mentioned in your great video on that type, but the main conflict is a 7 conflict, just a macho 7 conflict. In my opinion the copacabana and courtroom fourth wall break demonstrate that idea. The scene was intended to dazzle us, he likens it to Dante's Inferno, showing you the underworld except much prettier, much more tempting. But more than Henry dazzling us, Martin Scorsese said that it was also to show Henry dazzling himself, forget the implications, forget the how, just look at the results. He's literally "Ignoring the darkness." The courtroom scene as well has Henry STILL infatuated with that life, ignoring all the torment it caused him to say "Yeah it was pretty awesome guys aha" and wanting it back instantly after leaving it. I also believe that the superficiality of that life would also be appealing (subconciously) to Henry. There is no commitment to his wife because he doesn't know her, there is no commiment or closeness to his "friends" because he doesn't know them, there is no sincere connection there. (spoiler ig if you haven't seen the movie) Tommy dies and Henry's reaction is basically "Awkwaaarrd." Was he a psychopath? Yeah, but also Henry knew this guy since they were both kids. He met Karen through Tommy, he hung out with this guy a lot, and he was important otherwise the movie wouldn't place such a big empahsis on him. And Henry can't even manage to muster up a single anything, no pain, nothing. If he was a 6, trying to find a community to fall back on like you said, then I do believe he would've been more concerned or something like that, not like Jimmy Conway, crying and breaking things but I think it would've mattered more to him. Now the real Henry Hill who said (from memory) "At one point I would've shot myself in the head for those people" is, at least I think, more akin to what you said. Bringing subtypes into this for just a moment, sp7's are also about a community, and tend to treat relationships as transactional. One more thing before the conclusion, I think the handling of story was in a way very 6. The story asks you to be very sceptical, and really amplifies the anxiety and paranoia, like a thriller sort of. If that makes any sense at all. Ultimately, I think it's more about Henry getting into the mob to escape the pain and boredom of his own life, and a lot of people watch it like that too. My father one day came home and told me how some of the guys in his work were talking about how cool GoodFellas was, and how they wished they could live that life. Great video, love that enneagram is being taught to so many more people.
Also I didn't want this in the main paragraph because it's inconsequential but on that popular typology website PDB Henry Hill is typed as a 9 and it drives me nuts.
Cmon man, Henry Hill is the only cool 6 in the entire video, everybody else was lame, at least let this craptastic personality type have SOMEthing good, it’s already the worst type lol
The panicked "capitalism!" got me. I straight up cackled. As for your check-in about how I am? I'm riding the lightning. I could be better and I have been worse. But, as I'm not presently dead, I'm clearly not done. Count the day as a win in that regard at the very least...or, ya know, a simple: "I'm good" if you prefer an answer with more chill platitude flavoring given the whole stranger on the internet thing we've got going on here and the fact that you almost certainly weren't *actually* asking. Take your pick. Both answers are true.
Lucy Carlyle from Lockwood & Co strikes me as an example of a character with a six fixation that moves from phobic to counter phobic very naturally. Maybe (at least in a storytelling capacity) being backstabbed or failed by the system they trusted is what moves phobic to counter phobic? Because that isn't growing for her, growing is trusting herself, but it's a notable shift in her approach to the world that she has to try BEFORE learning to trust herself. And when she trusts herself then she can trust others in a healthy way
Very interesting video dude. I was just thinking before this that in regards to each subtype in each of the 9 enneagram types, the subtypes for the 6 probably look the most different from one another because of how they behave towards their fear.
"I will strike again Jhon, you will not be able to resist my *BUISNESS* cards" wake up babe new vocal stim just dropped.
*BU I I I I SNESS CARDS*
JOHN YOU CANNOT HIDE NOR RUN FROM THE ULTIMATE TRUTH OF HIS BUIIIISNESS CARDS
Along with “*stressed panting* CAPITALISM!”
@@panicathedogpark oh TRUE
that line made me CACKLE
Delighted by all these GF references keep em coming. Also Dipper is the perfect example of a type 6, he's the paranoid type in the show, but we see how quickly he attaches himself to Ford toward the end of the series. I can totally see him blindly following a cause if it's Ford's cause. He's the Author! He knows what he's doing! Right?
The way he attaches himself to Ford reminds me of some Sx5 descriptions I've seen, but then again, 5s retreat I to their minds and imaginations as a means of dealing with fear, which Dipper doesn't seem to do all that often, despite his active mind.
I dated a six once, and the thing I realized about sixes is that the Why never changes. Sixes hate being on shifting sand more than anything else. They crave - even need - stability in their lives, and, if the thing they thought was stable turned out not to be, they either have to push it out of their life, force it to become stable, or destroy it. The conspiracy theorist, “tear everything down” sixes are just people who are pushing against every boundary and object until they find something stable. If it isn’t stable, it falls over, and they find the next thing. That why some sixes become obsessed with the Platonic form of Truth: if Truth is unshakable, and everything else is shifting sand, then they become obsessed with Truth. Sixes want to build their house on a rock, and they’ll run back and forth along the beach until they find one
Your comment made me realize that 6 could sound a little similar to a 9 who also seeks stability and may keep themselves in less than good situations to hold on stability, but a 9 would do it for harmony and comfort while a 6 would do it for fear
@@Mariposa-rgbI would say Nines are more adaptable, less defensive, more vulnerable.
That's a good way to describe it
@@Mariposa-rgb I really identified with the 9 video but also identified with this one...and I think I figured out why.
I think I was more of a 9 back in the day, but ever since a VERY BIG trauma happened with a "friend" I cut ties with...which I placed a great deal of faith in for some reason...I've become more like a 6 as a result. Its actually crazy that part of me wants to go back into the hole I was in before...not because its a good place to be but simply because I at least recognize what it is...whereas now I feel unstable. Even when I find footing I'm still fearful because its temporary...hence feeding into my desire to find something more stable long term...possibly enteral even.
Case in point the three of you in this reply chain hit the nail right on the head!
Despite the fact that I know that the REAL way forward in life is to relinquish control and accept the unknown...part of me wishes to go back...to go back to trying to be comfortable rather than running away out of fear.
Crazy how these videos and comments can not only be useful for understanding other people but also yourself! lol :P
@@Alienrun thank you for sharing your experience. Lucas has said that he doesn’t pay much care to all the stuff about Wings, and Triads and Lines and all the extra stuff you will find if you start going down the enneagram rabbit hole, but interestingly the line of Stress from 9, points towards 6, meaning that a 9 in stress will take the characteristics of a 6. But I like Lucas’s view that instead of lines pointing at single numbers for growth and stress, every one of us have all the numbers bs and conflicts.
“Or an 8 or a 1” 1 video foreshadowing i love it
I want to see what he says about the 1's collection of issues quite a bit.
The way that he's referencing types he hasn't talked about yet, as someone who isn't already super familiar with the enneagram, is making me want to binge the whole thing again after he releases the 1 video
He's definitely writing these to be watched interchangeably once they're all up. Honestly kinda surprised he didn't drop them all at once but I imagine algorithm reasons.
@@MangroveLord He hasn't finished all of them yet.
You might check out the podcast he recommended "You've got a Type" as it had helped me figure this out a lot
every time one of these drop I watch all the other ones again
Yeah as someone who never heard of enneagram before this series, it feels kind of hard to follow since I think I am missing some crucial knowledge
Silco from arcane is a very obvious counterphobic six. He's latched onto the ideology of "independent zaun" and holds to it dogmatically until he has to make a choice between it or jinx.
?? Isn't Silco an 8? ANGER at topside, idealising Strength and Independance as means to finally creating justice through direct Zaunite-Action?
Silco is obsessed with the "weakness" that the protection/prioritisation of Vanders Children poses, and aways urges strength.
For a supposed fear type, silco is pretty agressive and gets very mad when things don't go his way
I don't understand this typing.
When the Zaunite Uprising (anger expression) was crushed, Silco decided the Undergroud needed to grow stronger.
Vander, in the same position, decided that Underground Anger needed to be compromised and held back to keep the peace. (sorta 9 coded, maybe 1 but then again i don't see him being pedantic and falling on his own sword like a batman - hard to type since he is pretty healthy)
@@kartonrad It is kind of both. he searches for safety in both the idea of independent zaun and in consolidating power and control for himself.
@@kartonrad although I think the anger is actually part of his ideology. you can tell that it is an anger born out of fear. it's stressed, manic anger. it's not gut anger, it's logical anger. topsiders oppress us, so we should be angry. same for strength and independence. he clings to these as an ideal to keep him safe from his fear. he is trying to escape his fear, not his anger. Sevika is also pretty 6-coded, but that's obvious because her whole thing is loyalty.
I think vi is way more 8-coded than silco. whenever she needs to solve a problem, she relies on her fists to solve it for her. she feels the most comfortable when she is in control of the situation (like with that scene where she got jumped in ep1 and she just stared down the knife) and has absolutely no hesitation when it comes to using violence to solve a problem. when things don't go her way, she crashes out and says something rash that she doesn't really mean. when she is at the lowest point in her life, she has nothing else to do other than punch, scream, and drink away the pain. you can physically see the toll that the anger building up inside her has. even the songs playing during the scenes that focus on her the most are super angry heavy metal tracks. she is fueled by anger, while silco is fueled by fear.
I think he's a 8, he genuinely cares for Jinx, and has become very vulnerable to her (literally). I think Jinx is more like 6
@@TheSamAins Jinx is obviously a 2. her entire character is about her self-worth and her relationships. she sees herself as only destructive and not worthy of love, so she turns to people like vi, silco, and isha to potentially give her life value and meaning.
you are forgetting that silco freely offers up his deepest darkest pain to jinx. he isn't hesitant to be vulnerable towards her at all. she tells him, "you told me this story a thousand times." an 8 would want to keep that story covered and not let anyone know about the moment where they were out of control of their situation. however, silco does it for the cause. he tells jinx that story to motivate her towards that cause, because he believes in it deeply.
LocalScriptMan, i gave up writing a few months ago, it was time consuming, and i never yielded anything, your enneagram series brought me back into writing, and now im puling all nighters to work on my craft Thank You
you've gotta be okay with it never being successful and still do it
Take care of yourself, stranger. Don't burn out. And if you do, remember that I told you not to, and that you didn't listen.
@@Halberddent Dont worry, i have fun doing it
Good luck bro :)
I think a good way of understanding the two different "types" of sixes is that they're just varying manifestations of fixation on the part of the six.
The six is afraid of the external world and hyperfixates on it. If they don't have a support structure then they'll focus on an external threat, hence the paranoia version. If they have a support structure they believe is adequate for meeting their needs, their focus will be on ensuring that support structure remains stable. So they aren't really two differen types of sixes. they just focus on threat analysis of a hostile force or internal issues within their in-group, depending on which they think is a bigger issue.
Spot on, dude.
Damn, Pop off queen
That can’t be an actual person, dude. Nobody is an empty vessel of servitude, bootlicking and fear.
youre my goat lucas i started making video essays all thanks to you
Ah, this is where your journey began. Love your videos bydaway
i'm currently rewatching she ra and the princesses of power and one of the characters (catra) is one of the most type 6 characters i've ever seen.
her entire character arc is about her attaching herself to different people in power so they could protect her. and then overthrowing them when they throw her away and disregard everything she had done for them.
She's even like that with adora who has no actual power over her, but adora still is the wall that throws herself into danger for her sake. I don't think she ever hates adora *for that* like she says, she just can't consciously recognize the fact that her entire self-worth revolves around making herself useful to other people, nor can she reconcile that with her (often correct) belief that being emotionally vulnerable makes you weak and just lets people hurt her worse (like if she ever told adora how she really feels and she still left, catra wouldn't survive much longer, she'd be recklessly throwing herself into danger at every opportunity).
All her hatred for adora comes from the fact that adora loves her unconditionally and always has, and she can't understand why she'd love a failure like her. Tbh I don't think she ever actually unlearns this, she just recontextualizes it. Since *literally everyone else* she's ever trusted sees her as a disposable pawn, she'll at least spend her last moments making herself useful to the only one who really cared. Repeatedly being lulled into a sense of security only for the rug to be pulled out from under her, often for reasons entirely outside her control, just kinda breaks her. Her actions in the S4 finale at least are ultimately just another expression of her lashing out as she always does when she doesn't see any other options.
a good way to explain 6s is comparing them to 3s because we are better at noticing pride masking shame than we are at noticing bravery/loyalty masking fear/distrust
I can't remember the video but someone pointed out that sokka is also a 6 coded character - when we meet him he's inherently distrustful and low-key anxious around outsiders and masks his crippling insecurity by embracing sexist gender stereotypes and asserting his role as the leader. Part of his arc is learning to break out of those limiting mindsets and trust in his skills as a strategist
I feel ike the cathloic 6 complex can be really intense. Not only is it about loyalty to a system of rules and roals prescribed to you, its also about the fear of hell. The physical safety urge drives all behavior because every desision with any kind of moral import attached can SEND YOU TO HELL if your not careful.
Kendall Roy from Succession is my favorite example of a 6 tragedy in fiction. His constant flip flop between deadset loyalty to his father and frantic rebellion against him is so emblematic of the 6 fixation, driven by an immense fear of failure with no capacity for middle ground.
I'm a type 6, conspiracy flavour, and I think I understand what lies in the core of our fixation, but also how it results in so many different manifestations.
I grew up in an environment where I learned early on that my caretakers were at best incapable and often untrustworthy and even malicious, but being autistic, my social intuition also failed me and I became an easy target for my peers. My only choice was to observe patterns and obsessively predicting everything that could go wrong: all the ways people could hurt me, and all the things I could potentially do or say to prevent that. And to a degree, that worked. It also made me very good at school, which is important later.
At this point I resembled a 9. Very passive on the outside, very inoffensive. But I wasn't resigned to my fate like a 9 would be. On the inside my mind was constantly active, still looking for answers still trying to figure out the 'something'. Because there had to be a 'something' to figure out, I assumed. There was always some bad fate to avoid. I fixated on my fear of death. I rejected religion because I didn't trust the people involved, and their answers didn't satisfy me. Heaven was too uncertain. 'Just believe' was not an option. I thought a lot about morality, authority, how poorly the world is run. This continued to my mid-teens when political compass memes rolled around which got me hooked on political theory.
I started reading about and identifying with various branches of anarchism. This may have been the first time an ideology had resonated with me. But I still didn't trust the people involved with it. I suspect that's the core difference between the loyalist type and the conspiracist - whether or not their distrust extends to ALL people. To a loyalist this could've been good enough, but I still couldn't bring myself to trust. I had this cognitive dissonance of searching for certainty, but being reflexively skeptical of people who thought they found it.
The danger in my environment subsided, and my academic success pointed my fixation on success fantasies. My obsessive predicting turned to fantasies of success and what I had to do to obtain it, and the new problems I'd have to face when I got there. At this point I resembled a 3. But I wasn't pursuing a feeling of worthiness. I didn't want fame or acclaim, I was rather scared of it. But my fear of death and the pointlessness of existence led me to looking for meaning in increasingly delusional ideas. Started off with self-help books, ended up with thoughts of attaining immortality, taking over the world, uploading my brain to a computer, etc. Obviously very counter to anarchism's whole thing, but I wasn't exactly self-aware at this point.
Went to uni. I burned out hard. Things got better. I burned out hard again. I had to admit to myself that my fantasy was delusional. And as I slumped into a deeper and deeper pit, the rapidity with which I seeked out new routes to salvation increased. These varied a lot.
On the negative, my magical thinking became much stronger. My pattern noticing brain went into overdrive. I started finding parallels between the things I wrote and the things that happened in my life. I started worrying that my thoughts would become real. I started thinking my life is meaningless if I don't spread the truths I've discovered. My paranoia increased and I noticed myself having those stereotypical "The CIA is onto me" type thoughts.
(Eventually I recovered through a lot of reflection and learning about my psychology and zen buddhism and learning to be vulnerable etc etc. It's a long story too, but we're talking about the icky stuff here so I won't dwell on it.)
All of this to say - no wonder 6s can be so varied. Depending on where I settled in my search I could've become any of the following characters: perfect Christian boy, desperate social activist, delusional business guy, aspiring cult leader, actual tinfoil hat wearer. And I'm just one person!
A formative distrust of authority, an unreliance on one's own intuition, resulting in chronic anxiety-fueled paranoid overthinking, trying to find a mental model that leaves no room for uncertainty. The search for the answer to an unanswerable question can bring you anywhere.
you described my life in 70% accuracy
I just finished listening to the Magnus Archives, and Martin Blackwood is another great example of a type six romance tied into a larger story about allegiances and conspiracies. He’s such a well-written character.
I think the reason the six isn’t split is because they usually have similar backgrounds.
Different coping mechanisms, but same trauma?
@@diepie5144 yep
That, and also a phobic and a counterphobic can switch to each other, back and forth. They're just two modes that depend on whether or not the 6 has anything to hold onto. If the army abandons the soldier, he'll become the conspiracy theorist. Give the conspiracy theorist a thought leader, and he'll become a soldier for their cause.
Once local script man has a review #2 type, he will have written my three main characters. Excellent!
I look forward to these every single time
in my mind the very first characters i thought of when hearing about how a 6 pathology works were Simon and Grace from Infinity Train. Grace represents a positive confrontation of her problems, overcoming the illusion she and her gang submitted to out of fear of losing themselves to the train. Eventually, through her adventures with Hazel and Tuba, she is disillusioned from her own rhetoric that she spread. Being the creator of the rhetoric in the first place, Grace is able to approach this awakening more, well, gracefully. She forms an understanding that the creatures and people the train create ARE real and DO have feelings, and killing them is no different than killing a person. She's changed for good, unable to accept what she previously thought after meeting the conductor herself.
Simon, on the other hand, represents the negative spiral that 6s can fall into. He not only had a worse experience on the train than Grace before teaming up with her, but he also didn't come up with the rhetoric. He was the very first to submit to Grace's ideas and treat them as the utter truth, because he was desperate for something concrete to latch onto in this insane, terrifying puzzle environment. He spread her ideas even more than she did. They became a permanent installation in his identity; an unceasing loyalty to a cause he didn't even understand. He never met the conductor. He caught on to Grace's changes and was horrified. He didn't see or feel the things Grace saw and felt.
So, once Grace DOES finally understand and she tries to enlighten Simon, he snaps. It's a betrayal of the highest order. This is a matter of life and death for him, and he is willing to do whatever it takes to keep this comfortable blanket of conspiracy overtop his actions. If what he thought was true wasn't actually true, then that would mean he killed people for no reason.
Simon tries to murder Grace, and the entire time that they are fighting Grace is desperately trying to pull him out of it, to bring him to shore and rescucitate him. He is like a brother to her, and while she is able to forgive him because she understands what he believes to be true, he is unable to forgive himself, so he sticks to what he thinks is right until his bitter end, getting his lifeforce sucked out of him by a Goam.
Now that I think of it, Infinity Train is absolutely full to bursting with excellent portrayals of many of the numbers on the enneagram.
Great video ! Personally I always saw Macbeth as a 6 story. At the beginning Macbeth has a purpose in serving the king loyally and is seemingly healthy, but after recieving the prophecy and telling his wife he caught between his loyalty to the king and his loyalty to Lady Macbeth. His loyalty to Lady Macbeth wins because she preys on his insecurities and he kills the king. He then proceeds to become paranoid about people taking the throne and stuff because he is trying to keep himself safe in his new role/purpose but it is bad because he was never meant to have that purpose in the first place. And then ultimately his paranoia/attempts to keep himself safe lead to his death because he is a poor and insecure leader.
based analysis
When you wanna be sure you're using a word correctly in the middle of a conversation: 0:38
yes that is what happens at that part of the video
@@sus-kupp Indeed it is.
Somehow opened TH-cam at the perfect moment - hyped for this one!
This series is single handily helping answer the questions I’ve had for years about how to move forward with the kind of characters and stories I want to tell
The most comprehensive dissertation I can possibly reccomend on the type 6 is H.P. Lovecraft, the most 6 type 6 to have ever existed and you can learn a lot about paranoia from his stories.
Not because Lovecraft was necessarily type 6 himself, but his stories are that quitessential type 6 journey of being confronted by the unknown.
Lovecraft was afraid of air conditioning. I wouldn't be surprised if he were a six.
I just realized but Hughie from the Boys (the show) is totally a type 6 fixation. Everything he does, every action, every choice is fundamentally 6-driven. Him always clinging to the Boys, even when they're doing super shady shit. And as you said for 6s, he carries a lot of anger for someone who's personality is 'anxious white everyman protagonist' . I could be wrong but that's how I see it
Anyway great video!! Always super helpful
(but I was also wondering how exactly does a 6 fixation come to be, the "wound")
The 'wound' for a 6 would probably be a certain group/ideology/belief helping them survive in some way, give them safety from an external threat (or at least, that's how the 6 perceives it). This could in theory happen to anyone, but maybe in child development terms, they were rewarded for clinging to a certain 'allegiance' when they were young. the video didn't really go into this part, so this is just my idea.
Wdym jumping allegiances? He's pretty steadfast in his loyalty, he's with The Boys all the way, the one bit he shifts on is just him wanting to do the same job "the right way" and *that* is what is variable between the seasons, but if he can't take group with him he doesn't bail on them even when he could dozens of times. Worst case scenario he understandably gets tired of Butcher and complains a lot but when butcher isn't literally having a mutiny Hughie stays in lockstep despite his complaints.
The anger part yeah tho he's insecure af, especially at first.
@@krystalneko4094 Yeah I suppose I worded it wrong, that's what I meant. Less jumping allegiance and more 'trying out different ways of attack', which I suppose is Hughie getting somewhat(?) a little healthier on the 6-type scale, then regressing by sticking to Butcher completely in S3. He's still a 6 all the way, clinging to the Boys and Annie throughout every season. 'Us vs them' rhetoric all the way.
And here I was just thinking about how BUTCHER'S deep inherent need to be following someone, working for someone, flying someone's name as a banner to be able to carry on justifying his own existence as being in service of something was giving extremely 6 vibes
@@iamliterallyderanged5461 is he really tho? He doesn't seem like a guy who has much in the way of loyalty beyond keeping his promises to Becca and he has a really hard time doing even that. I'm not super well versed on the enneagram but isn't there a type where they're motivated by a singular goal to the exclusion of all else. I mean my first thought would be 1 but iirc 1s ideally put themselves together and use their morality to affect others, but butcher doesn't care if the team agrees with him as long as they're invested in the general mission
I am so glad the enneagram videos are dropping, i was in the personality camp for it and some of the types were really tripping me up because of it
Can't wait to see 5
5 video is probably going to be one of the most watched just because that's how fives are
As someone with a Type 6 fixation myself, I’m starting to realize that the phobic and counterphobic fixations aren’t exactly mutually exclusive. After watching this video, a lot of my worries started making way more sense. For instance, I now know that loyalty to people, organizations, and structures isn’t necessarily the whole of achieving external security, but it’s more like covering all your bases so that no friend, organization, or structures can hurt you on the basis of disloyalty. Thing is, within power structures I’m constantly semi-paranoid for threats against me within those structures in spite of my loyalty to them. As an example, in college I was the student government representative for one of the clubs on campus. I didn’t want the job, it sucked, but I believed that my hard work and sacrifices would be rewarded. Still, a single lapse in judgment brought me into conflict with the club president, and suddenly it got very lonely for me. Nonetheless, I stayed fiercely loyal to the club itself, believing that my dedication would insulate me from political attacks. It didn’t work and in the end I actually got permabanned from the club for life lmao. That said, my point is that in my real life experience as a Type 6, I can be fiercely loyal to an external body and remain suspicious of external threats originating from that body, but that paranoia is rarely enough to make continued loyalty cost-prohibitive
I think it is when a 6-type character turns to the side of safety to the point of complete disregard to the outside world is when the 6 type becomes a danger to itself. Really, the biggest danger for 6 type isn't the world, but their incompatibility with society. Zuko is a great example: If he stayed in 6-type tendencies, he could have wasted his life for nothing.
That's me analysis, based on the video. I must give my respect and say that you gave me a lot of insight into the enneagram, regardless if I learned or if I failed to learn.
Batman is (usually, depending on the writer) one of the quintessential counterphobic 6s. The death of his parents scarred him for life and he dedicated himself to the cause of making the streets safe for other children so they dont end up like him.
isnt batman One? I might be wrong but Batman has the "Justice" Theme everytime so I'm assuming he's a healthy type 1
@@ThirdphpI'm not super into Batman, but what I know about him is that fear is a driving force for him. Bruce has a horrible fear of bats, yet he themed himself around them.
Pretty sure he's a textbook 5. He devotes his life to being absolutely competent and prepared, but is emotionally distant.
@@AlexRider589 that makes sense
@@desmodeus2866 yeah i see
Makes me wonder if miles morales at the start of spiderverse counts as a type 6 he’s a wad of anxiety all through that first movie until he has to take that famous leap of faith
i heard he was a 6w7 but what is he really attaching hinselft to? idk
I’d say yes.
I’ve seen other people say he is and even in the sequel he has some six coding with wanting to belong to a group and having to rely on himself.
@@baymisafir1605he’s attaching himself to the idea of being Spider-Man
@@misteralgorithm1849 yea I can see that being the takeaway, he self actualizes in such a perfect way in ATSV with the “nah imma do my own thing” bit but now I wonder what else is he gonna have to do to break even more free from everything
i've pretty much enevr seen anyone else say this anywhere, but Batman has always been a deeply 6 character to me. his whole drive is being so frightened of the world he tries to regain power over it by reflecting that fear back at the world through the Batman persona
That does not sound like a 6 to me at all. My understanding is that the 6 aligns themselves with factions, ideologies or people because knowing their place in the world makes them feel more secure.
Batman doesn’t primarily view himself as being part of a faction or a team and in many stories it doesn’t come naturally to him. If anything I think he’d be an 8 or a 1, though that depends on specific story or portrayal.
@@katherinehertel1360 do you think those types better fit my description of batman as being driven by fear, or do you disagree with that assessment?
@@flying_ace_ Yes. Every enneagram type fixation is driven by fear to some extent, so having some trauma/wound far in the past that terrified them does not indicate they're a fear type. Everybody uses their coping strategies because they think something bad will happen if they don't.
So what makes something a fear type? Good question. I would say it's a matter of how far down in the subconscious it is. Most types pushed it fairly far down over the years, but with fear types it's lurking just beneath the surface in a simmer of anxiety. Even the 7 whose whole deal is that they try to push it away have it very close by and dictating their actions.
The high baseline anxiety just doesn't seem like Batman to me. Of course Batman is not just a singular character, he's a vague concept and grab bag of elements that has gone through countless interpretations by thousands of writers for over a century. Your conceptualization of the character can be very different from mine and neither is objectively correct, even more so than most fictional characters.
@@katherinehertel1360 i think that's exactly what i was referring to and where my view of the character differs from what i see other people say. to me, a high level of baseline fear/anxiety is ABSOLUTELY a batman thing lol
The value of this series is obvious now as it unfolds in real time, but I think the extent of the value of this series is greater and will only be realized retroactively. Not as in "this series is The GOAT of writing characters" but rather that it will play a significant role in shifting how writers approach character construction in a way that will only truly become clear AFTER people wonder about the quality of stories later on. This is a hypothesis, but I can't wait to see how it unfolds
Can't help but agree, while I'm not thinking about this system 100% of the time, it's definitely shifted how I think about characters.
As a 6... It's all about predictability. If we can't guess what will happen, we will force what will happen.. if we can guess what will happen, and don't like it, we will run from what will happen.
Organizations are just a way to increase predictability..
Actually this is a great way to put it.
I’m surprised to seeing someone openly admitting to being this personality type. It’s so lame… followers and pack animals. Gross
Thanks for helping me figure out that the protagonist of this one show I may never make has a type 6 fix.
Love your videos they’ve changed the entire way I write and I always click immediately when I see your videos in my notifications
Holy shit this series is doing wonders for my understanding of my characters, thank you so much
I actually have a 6 character, in fact she's the main character of the book I'm working on, who has like a dissociative split mind disposition where she goes back and forth between the phobic and counterphobic tendencies. I didn't write her with the enneagram in mind but that description perfectly describes what's going on with her, and I do think both of those sides of her make sense with her character and in light of the 6 complex.
The story of Attack on Titan (and a lot of its central characters) is definitely Six-coded too
i love the 6 representation in that show
and very 4 coded
Would Eren be a quintessential counterphobic 6, with the thing about what he hates switching from Titans to non-Eldian humans?
@@iantaakalla8180 No definitely not. Eren would be an 8 for the majority of the story since his desire for control over his environment is his fundamental motivation in the form of freedom.
Mikasa is a 6 who uses Eren as a shield to protect herself from the fear of the cruel world
Ok, nice to know. 8s are power stuff (and Eren wants power and only follows that), 6s are dedication to a cause because of stability. I hope that is actually correct?
Being introduced to the enneagram via these videos is fun because they keep alluding to types that I'm unaware of now. Creates some really strong replayablity as more come out.
You and redacted are the only subs I have with notifications on and btw I think Winston Smith from 1984 is the most 6 coded thing i've ever seen
I also used to follow Exurb1a back then, but he's a big no-no. His r@pe victim has an entire Wikipedia page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieke_Roelofs
@@lyrtilseiya Thank you mate I unsubscribed
@@lyrtilseiya Actually crazy to me
1984 is THE enneagram 6 story, no questions. Anyone who hopes to start to truly understand the 6s mind should read that book.
I used to love Exurb1a's videos so much a few years ago, a true shame what a horrible person he turned out to be
I'd honestly argue that, while a control freak character like Scott Summers seems like a 1, he's deeply six-coded. Cyclops/Scott Summers is a guy who fundamentally believes that due to his destructive powers, the only place he can belong is the X-Men. He attaches himself to Professor X's ideals and mission because he believes that normal/happy life isn't possible for him due to his powers and years of repressed trauma. It's no wonder why he's often framed at the center of the found family dynamic in X-Men comics because the found family dynamic allows Scott to learn that he can live a happy life outside of his feverish commitment to Xavier's mission. Most writers agree that the ideal narrative endpoint of Scott Summer's story is him living the happy/normal life that all mutants deserve.
I could be entirely off the mark, but they way you describe sixes is incredibly similar to how I've read the character arc of Cyclops for YEARS!
reading through this as someone who's never really read x-men comics, but this idea that cyclops is "too dangerous to have anything but the life of an x-man" and that he needs to let go of his destructive self-image and allow himself to be normal seems very 4 coded to me
I've been enjoying this series for a while, and I can't wait to watch all the videos.
There is no earthly pleasure that can compare to the feeling of using a word you aren't sure about correctly.
8:30 "It's me! Pajama Sam!" *Hell noises*
I think the Malcom X autobiography by Spike Lee is suuuuuper six coded, flailing around from structure of thought to structure of thought, 6 type character in a 6 type world showcasing the tragedy of ideological binding, ultimately being killed by the same members of a group he was effectively exiled from. Maybe the single most 6 story in cinema/irl.
oh my gosh john green AND localscriptman that would make my DAY dude
dude these videos are saving my characters. thank u
So your vides are the first I'm learning about Enneagrams, but I think the thing that connects the two types of sixes, is that they sound like they are all about ingroup-outgroup. A loyalty based six has found their tribe, and will do whatever they have to in order to play that role, while remaining critical and paranoid of outsiders. Meanwhile paranoid based sixes have either yet to find an ingroup that works for them, or acknowledge that just finding an ingroup and tying themselves to it is unhealthy, or just see "I'm an outsider" as their ingroup.
I realized Kobeni from Chainsaw Man is 6 coded character. In this series devils and devil hunters exists. In one episode Kobeni and the cast get trapped in a infinite loop by the eternity devil, it says sacrifice this guy and i Will let the rest go. And the cast are like nah we wont and they decide to search for a way out. Except for Kobeni. She goes mad and tries to kill the guy the devil wants to leave, also freaks out and accuses someone from being an enemy spy.
"you never know if its a ci-op" got me, dude these are so good, i and perfeclt timed for me, youre hilarious and very informative
Best explanation for six.
Anxiety causes them to hyper latch on to an identity that is a firmed by others
E.g. military e.g. conspiracy theorists e.g. social justice, e.g. the manosphere red pill, etc etc
They fundamentally believe the world is an unstable place. When I write sixes I read psychological journals on BPD
man, thank you for your content, I love it SO much. you're awesome!!
Truly and sincerely, thank you so much for going over this stuff. I never knew about the enneagram before but have really appreciated the insight and input. The way that you go over these concepts as a tool and not the end-all be-all makes it far more approachable, than if I had discovered this from somebody who was perhaps too serious. Keep up the amazing work
The conflict of the constant uncertainty of life, and how to survive that is the core struggle. You touch on it that 6s are context people. The healthy trajectory of 'trusting yourself' is true, to an extent. In my experience, the healthiest I have been as a 6 is when I am always poking and prodding at myself and the systems/groups/etc.. that I believe in. There is no healthy certainty to a 6. There is always a questioning of principles and beliefs, and that goes for internal beliefs and external. The ideal *healthy* 6 character should always be critiquing and testing the systems they have pledged themselves to for faults and breaches of principles/beliefs, while also testing their own beliefs and principles for faults. I think a lot of this is hard to show in characterization because a lot of it is internal. Actions are much easier to show when unhealthy: the unwavering loyalty, and the blind paranoia. The healthy actions are investigating the responses to events whenever new contexts arise for both themselves and the thing they have chosen to believe in, and that is hard to pinpoint for a character without diving into their head frequently.
Survival is often the driving factor in this, but 6s will also, when attached to something, believe in the survival of that thing over their selves. An unhealthy 6 can have a martyr complex, constantly wanting to sacrifice themselves for the belief. A healthy 6 will attempt to fight to ensure the survival of the belief, and in doing so may become a martyr. Sometimes the actions between healthy and unhealthy can look the same on the outside, but 6s are context people after all.
All that being said, a damn good video, and I just wanted to expand upon these things in particular, and they may not be true of all 6s. There is always uncertainty. :)
@@SmithMason5494 i think always questioning your beliefs thing can count as always trusting yourself because the questioning itself comes from yourselves
This video made me realize my type 7 character was actually a type 6, I audibly gasped from the revelation. Thank you for pinning down an incredibly nebulous type, can’t wait for more enneagram vids 🙏😊
Ooh, ooh, super interesting that you brought up the hunger games as a six story, because the full trilogy actually does the six story twice. The first book is all about her reckoning with her place in the system of the capital, then the other two are about her reckoning with her place as a leader of sorts for the resistance. A perfect example of a six breaking out of one system only to find themselves in a different system, and having to break out again.
Honestly I think 6's aren't split because they're not really different. The loyal servant is the same thing as a paranoid conspiracy nut when you boil it down to "root for your team and boo your opponent no matter what". It's being overly critical of opposing views and overly accepting of what confirms the ones you have. It's just the soldier's (phobic) in a system that comforts their belief and plays to it and the conspiracy theorist (counterphobic) is in a system that tells them they're wrong with only maybe a couple people reaffirming their belief.
And honestly, for the Dipper example (Gravity Falls spoilers inbound), he is that loyal soldier a lot of the time. He's just loyal to his cause of finding out what the book means and you can see that in how hard he commits to Ford when he comes in, willing to divulge everything without a skeptical bone in his body when he finds out Ford wrote the journals, causing friction with Mable and eventually ending in a united force against Bill. That faith only wavering when he thought Ford was in cahoots with Bill. But he's a conspiracy nut to everyone that doesn't know what's going on until that point. These two prongs aren't different personalities, they're different presentations of the same dysfunction; overcommitting to a set of beliefs to the point of stonewalling anything that opposes it as illegitimate or as a trick.
That's my take at least. I could be wrong of course, i don't know much about the enneagram, but that's how i made sense of it.
I am both the young soldier looking for belonging and the paranoid conspiracist
I love my certainty whether that was trying and failing at religious-ness, diving down psychologically scarring rabbitholes that might be true (believing it nonetheless), or enlisting. I remember being forcibly radicalized and put along faction boundaries ever since like 2016 and the great political polarization started to tear at american culture. I have been lead many places since then, ping ponging across the political spectrum. I once felt the counterphobic 6 impulse to run up and destroy a stage play because I hated being forced to be a part of it... It was a better choice to quit before I listened to that impulse.
PAJAMA SAM HOLY SHIT I LOVE PAJAMA SAM
YES! You’re the only person other than me to call Zuko a six! As a six I finally feel validated
i questioned myself if i was a truth seeker six,
because i always try to understand everything to its limit and catagorize it all in a one big theory of everything
but i figured out that sixes do this kind of truth seeking to feel secure, and i do it to feel smart and worthy of love (because of my "kid genious" intelligence fixation that were given to me by my parents)
so yeah in broader terms they just want to trust something and feel secure
Study philosophy and the limits of ontology and epistemology, as well as the Munchausen's trilemma, would be my suggestion of big picture 'where's the ends and limits'. The trilemma honestly saved me a lot of banging head against wall
Honestly sounds like a 3 or a 5.
5s end up understanding and in some cases creating their own inner system towards certain concepts. 5s feel secure in feeling competent/capable in their knowledge and that can even outstretch into proving it to other people if they have a trauma of their worth being their intellect (which mean even give way to a 3). The core fear of a 5 is being useful and not feeling helpless in the face of the outside world. Though 5s are usually observers, it is usually out of anxiety that they are not capable with the resources that they have. So, they conserve themselves into their inner world and in pursuit of knowledge that they can later use their knowledge to try to navigate the world.
A 3s basic fear is being worthless and they tend to cope with ambition, achievement, and admiration.
Triangulation of searching for the truth can be any enneagram because it is part of critical thinking and data gathering but hyper-focus on it can be both 5 and 6; but for 5 it is understanding something out of curiosity of accurate data rather than a critical view on the truth.
Asking yourself "What fear have I carried on into adulthood the most?" is a good start.
I suggest doing research on each type and reflect on your own fears and motivation.
Always remember this is simply a tool for you to become self aware of yourself and gain self improvement and many people can relate to many of these enneagrams in different ways, we all don't just have one fear.
Great video. I think everyone can kinda intuitively understands the 6 problem, but putting into words always seemed difficult. Fantastic job framing it this way, that frantic need to attach themselves to safety is a great way to show a distillation of the type, and how it might lead to those extreme takes on the 6.
Please continue to relate A colon TLA characters to their respective enneagram types. The Zuko comparison helped sixes click for me in a really strong way. Same with season 1 Alicent.
After your first enneagram video, I was under the impression that I was a six. Since doing more reading + spending time to understand my drives I believe I’m a 1. It’s helpful to see how people/characters get mistyped; I can see why I thought I was a six for a little while more clearly now.
Excellent work again! Just started on a new writing project and I'm finding these videos to be simultaenously inspiring, interesting and incredibly useful. Thanks for making them, looking forward to more :)
i was restlessly waiting for the six video and it did not disappoint as expected
"edgy volatile anti heroes" like Zuko, Sasuke, Anakin Skywalker etc. are actually pretty often 6s. The reactive + superego combo almost naturally introduces the element of an internal struggle between between light & darkness. I agree with you that you can spot them from the themes & the identity they agonize about being tied to the environment.
Best comment on here. Better than the video
every time a new enneagram video pops up, i need to go and rewatch all the previous ones
I never cared about the enneagram until you started dropping these vids. Please continue doing you. I look forward to all your video releases ❤
Jonathon Sims from the Magnus Archives seems like a 6 to me. His whole reason for joining the Magnus Institute was to understand the context of his traumatic childhood experience and he keeps pushing further in his need to understand and Know things but it is in order to find out where he stands in the world and what the rules of the dangers are. He even starts as a hardcore sceptic, believing that rejecting the supernatural stuff will keep his world safe and easier to understand, to very paranoid, as he looses his footing because he discovers he was wrong about his place in the world and what was safe.
His need to understand doesn’t seem to come from a place of wanting to be competent like a 5 but more so as a self-preserving way to figure out how the darkness works
He also goes on an interesting journey for a six because once he realizes the danger it’s too late to separate himself from it and has to figure out how he can create his own safe place within it and sometimes even using it to do so. He cannot separate himself from the system so he uses it to his advantage until he ultimately figures out how to destroy it
After you finish the Enneagram series - would you consider putting all of them together in one video? And just wanted to say this series has really helped my writing and changed the way I look at characters - so thank you! Keep up the great work
Your videos got me researching the enneagram for my rpg characters. One of them I had decided was a 6. the “loyal skeptic” terminology was confusing but ended up interpreting it as “they fear a lack of approval and therefore are anxious for reassurance, and constantly need feedback. Might even setup ‘sincerity tests’ for their source of approval”. Didn’t even occur to me to split it in subtypes. Makes sense
The six was the first fixation of humanity. It is the oldest and the wisest.
I love these videos, I feel like I learn so much! Remember to take care of yourself!
I had always wondered about that one... and I'll never see caps the same way again
every thanksgiving dinner got the type 6
This is incredible.
I did *not* expect to see a Pajama Sam reference from this channel
This is interesting. Last time I watched avatar I really thought zuko was a 1!! Have to think more about this 🤔
Damn man, your videos are so unstructured and all-over-the-place.
Also… could work as a parent story. They don’t trust anyone or anything but they have to give over trust to their child as their child grows up. They have to make that leap of faith that they have given the child the necessary tools for survival.
nana from talentless nana is a good example of a six
I hope you'll make some enneagram tool at the end of the series like you did for the character sheet.
Your guide on enneagrams is very helpful, thank you!
Floki from Vikings reminds me of enneagrams 5-6 because of his fixation on his Gods/religion (Norse Mythology). His cracks start to show whenever his beliefs are challenged in any way (I.e his first exposure to Christianity in Lindisfarne and Athelstan’s insistence in one God, in the first seasons at least).
Yeah he's a 5 100%
I said this as a reply to a comment, but thinking about it, I think it's worth being a standalone comment: A phobic and a counterphobic 6 are not different enneagram types because they can switch to each other, back and forth. They're just two modes that depend on whether or not the 6 has anything to hold onto. If the army abandons the soldier, he'll become the conspiracy theorist. Give the conspiracy theorist a thought leader, and he'll become a soldier for their cause. Some people just find more safety or value in one more than the other, the same way some people are pulled towards being one-to-one or social or self preservation. In fact, the "counterphobic" 6 is just the countertype of the 6.
To explain more, each type has three subtypes (self, one-to-one, and social) and each type has one subtype that clashes with it in some way and makes the type act in ways that don't "feel like" they should be the same type. The 9 is "usually" chill and passive as they maintain peace for themselves, but a social 9 will be driven to workaholism as they try to maintain peace for several people at the same time. They look different, but same type. And a social 9 might act like a self 9 when alone, or when away from their social groups. Unlike a type (which is extremely hard to change, if possible), people's subtype changes constantly, just like their "health"/consciousness/whatever you call "how well they can fight their demons". Some more than others, it just depends on if a person values one of the three subtypes more, or ignores a subtype. Does a person focus more on their legacy more than family? Self more than others? Can stress or happiness change their focus?
Categorizing characters into subtypes usually isn't that helpful in the long run, as it becomes too granular to be useful (as LocalScriptMan stated in the first video). But having an idea of subtypes and countertypes can allow you to make characters that don't "look like" their type, or give you an idea of how a type might pursue a goal, or act in a situation you've thrown them in. A 6, in a large social group, will act like a phobic/soldier and march with the crowd for safety. When alone, a 6 will find safety by hiding from the world and making a safe space for themself. When in a one-to-one relationship, will find safety by acting counterphobic and tough. Just like any other type!
Wow I've been reading the comments to try and solidify my idea of sixes and this completely made it click for me. Thanks for sharing!
I'm a 6w5. This is an interesting take on the matter. As for me, I know a lot of my six-ness comes from some seriously traumatic stuff in my childhood and/or formative years.
The movie 9 is basically the deserted island scenario
Just watched Nosferatu, and I think I can confidently say the story is very six coded.
I think this one may be the fuzziest one because the very concept of a trauma response implies a consistent unhealthy behaviour caused by fear of a traumatic event repeating , which is applicable-ish to every type to a certain extent , and can be considered to be like a 6 since its about consistent behaviour due to fear
Love these vids man!! I’m here till we have them all!
I cannot wait to rewatch all of these like one big documentary when they all release
This was the moment I realized my novel series is six coded. I mean, I know what it's about already, but seeing it codified like this is very interesting.
Barely relevant but I'd like to challenge your typing of Henry Hill as a 6. Your interpretation makes a lot of sense, and I actually do think that the real Henry Hill was probably a 6, but the fictionalised one we have in the movie, in my opinion, is likely a 7. GoodFellas is a very 7 movie. It has a lot of 8 characters like you mentioned in your great video on that type, but the main conflict is a 7 conflict, just a macho 7 conflict. In my opinion the copacabana and courtroom fourth wall break demonstrate that idea. The scene was intended to dazzle us, he likens it to Dante's Inferno, showing you the underworld except much prettier, much more tempting. But more than Henry dazzling us, Martin Scorsese said that it was also to show Henry dazzling himself, forget the implications, forget the how, just look at the results. He's literally "Ignoring the darkness." The courtroom scene as well has Henry STILL infatuated with that life, ignoring all the torment it caused him to say "Yeah it was pretty awesome guys aha" and wanting it back instantly after leaving it. I also believe that the superficiality of that life would also be appealing (subconciously) to Henry. There is no commitment to his wife because he doesn't know her, there is no commiment or closeness to his "friends" because he doesn't know them, there is no sincere connection there. (spoiler ig if you haven't seen the movie) Tommy dies and Henry's reaction is basically "Awkwaaarrd." Was he a psychopath? Yeah, but also Henry knew this guy since they were both kids. He met Karen through Tommy, he hung out with this guy a lot, and he was important otherwise the movie wouldn't place such a big empahsis on him. And Henry can't even manage to muster up a single anything, no pain, nothing. If he was a 6, trying to find a community to fall back on like you said, then I do believe he would've been more concerned or something like that, not like Jimmy Conway, crying and breaking things but I think it would've mattered more to him. Now the real Henry Hill who said (from memory) "At one point I would've shot myself in the head for those people" is, at least I think, more akin to what you said. Bringing subtypes into this for just a moment, sp7's are also about a community, and tend to treat relationships as transactional. One more thing before the conclusion, I think the handling of story was in a way very 6. The story asks you to be very sceptical, and really amplifies the anxiety and paranoia, like a thriller sort of. If that makes any sense at all. Ultimately, I think it's more about Henry getting into the mob to escape the pain and boredom of his own life, and a lot of people watch it like that too. My father one day came home and told me how some of the guys in his work were talking about how cool GoodFellas was, and how they wished they could live that life. Great video, love that enneagram is being taught to so many more people.
Also I didn't want this in the main paragraph because it's inconsequential but on that popular typology website PDB Henry Hill is typed as a 9 and it drives me nuts.
Cmon man, Henry Hill is the only cool 6 in the entire video, everybody else was lame, at least let this craptastic personality type have SOMEthing good, it’s already the worst type lol
The panicked "capitalism!" got me. I straight up cackled.
As for your check-in about how I am? I'm riding the lightning. I could be better and I have been worse. But, as I'm not presently dead, I'm clearly not done. Count the day as a win in that regard at the very least...or, ya know, a simple: "I'm good" if you prefer an answer with more chill platitude flavoring given the whole stranger on the internet thing we've got going on here and the fact that you almost certainly weren't *actually* asking. Take your pick. Both answers are true.
I feel like the thing that relates the two versions of sixes is purpose. Even if they’re polarized they’re both idealistic.
Lucy Carlyle from Lockwood & Co strikes me as an example of a character with a six fixation that moves from phobic to counter phobic very naturally. Maybe (at least in a storytelling capacity) being backstabbed or failed by the system they trusted is what moves phobic to counter phobic? Because that isn't growing for her, growing is trusting herself, but it's a notable shift in her approach to the world that she has to try BEFORE learning to trust herself. And when she trusts herself then she can trust others in a healthy way
HEVAY BREATHING CAPITALISM understandable buddy have a good night
Please keep these up even if it doesnt get views
Very interesting video dude. I was just thinking before this that in regards to each subtype in each of the 9 enneagram types, the subtypes for the 6 probably look the most different from one another because of how they behave towards their fear.