Skylake Non-K CPU Overclocking with an i5-6500
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- Skylake Non-K CPU Overclocking with an i5-6500 & ASRock Z170 Extreme4
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UPDATE: It looks like there's a decent chance that Intel is taking steps to disable this little trick. With the BIOS versions that are already out there people will still be able to do it, but it's harder to recommend now especially for anyone who isn't very familiar with overclocking. I am still working on a follow-up to this video where I'll discuss the implications of whatever Intel is doing to prevent Non-K CPU overclocking.
+Paul's Hardware I thought the whole deal with the -K series was to make overclocking easier, not to keep people from overclocking normal CPU's.. Why would they disable this? Moneygrabbing?
+SHATORR Yup. If people are able to overclock just fine on a regular chip that costs less than the -K series variant then they are losing money.
Matinator22
Well yeah but (imo) you shouldn't limit the ability to overclock a CPU but rather sell a -K series which promotes overclocking through ease of progress.
SHATORR I agree, but I understand where intel is coming from from a business standpoint
Matinator22
Yeah I know. Just read an article about how douchy Intel is, hence I'm just being grumpy haha
ASRock are total ballers. Ever since they released their X99 ITX board, I have had tremendous respect and admiration for them.
I know that feeling of nerdy excitement. Great content man. Keep it coming. I'm looking forward to the follow up.
I'm really glad that you did this Paul. I've got a non-k 6600 and was curious as to generally what to expect if I wanted to OC it, or even how to OC it.
I have the same
bro i want a fucking micro center!! FUCK!!!!
+Tanzu15 ayyyyy! we were just talking on cultofmush!
she succ me wut?
+Tanzu15 hahahahah i got one...
+Tanzu15 hahahahah i got one...
***** FFFUUUUUCCCKKK lucky bastard!!! that would be my heaven!!! my toys r us!!!
I believe the reason you couldn't go higher was the cache Paul. I noticed when you set the BCLK to 140 that he cache was over 5 ghz. I am pretty sure you can tune that down as I have seen the CPU frequency at 4.8 ghz while the cache is around 3.9 ghz. Most people doing this can reach 4.5 with some reaching 4.8 ghz! Please do a follow up Paul!
+Tyler Weigand agreed, cache was too high relative to cpu.
+Tyler Weigand put me off aswell. At least on haswell it should be equal or less. Not sure how important it is on skylake.
There's no cache control in ASRock bclk oc. Sigh.
Dude! Normally NOBODY cares about explaining how to overclock properly. The internet welcomes your input! You are a Gentleman and a Scholar and we wish you all the best!
This was super helpful. I was increasing my bclk freq and wondering why the system would crash and then you pointed out that the memory needs to be within a certain range and that made so much more sense. Now my cpu does 3.64 GHz instead of the original 2.8 and is stable as can be.
My ram is rated at 2666. Does that mean the cpu can bclk oc further if I lower the ram speed to sth like 2100?
I did this from my 6700 non-K i7 and i got it to 4.6Ghz stable. I think its awesome that motherboards are are doing this now.
what mobo?
the msi z170 pro
Thanks dude
Same here 6700 non-k at 4.6 with a Gigabite z170-Hd3
Hope you like the video guys! Check the description for some links -- specific guides for specific motherboard manufacturer BIOSes and a list of all the boards this currently works with. :-D
+Patrick Lee JackOfAllBlades i live like an hour away too. I really didnt like there prices though. I went into the store to buy more ram and it was 65 usd for 8 gb of ddr4 ram. It was overpriced.
+Paul's Hardware If you back off the CPU Cache speed you will be able to raise the BCLK even further. It was the Cache speed/voltage holding the CPU back. At 140 BCLK that puts the Cache over 5Ghz.
Give it a try and let us know how it goes.
+Patrick Lee JackOfAllBlades my local Best Buy was selling 8gb of normal Kingston RAM 1600... For 89.99$
+Patrick Lee JackOfAllBlades i went to bestbuy to get my ram first. They only had ddr3
+Paul's Hardware Temperatures are visible if you use Core Temp. Even if you do overclock.
Always love your videos Paul. Keep up the good work!
very interesting, cant wait til next part. super video as usual
Personally got my i5 6500 up to 4.5. Lots of money saved
i like how the manufacturers themselves are distributing unlocked black market bios, on shady wordpress sites
Super cool and informative video, thanx a lot :) I think not much techtubers are doing that kind stuff now, and you take time to help us. Nice - thanx again!
first time in my live i watch how MICRO CENTER center iss!!!! - i'm from perú, no shame on me. Amazing video Paul!
Omg I wish I had a store like this! All we have is a best buy.... RIP GG
+Patrick Lee JackOfAllBlades it's terrible! So I end up ordering stuff online which is fine but then I have to wait for shipping.
+Vince Endres The closest Micro Center is like 45 minutes from me lol, worth the $8 in Gas to get the parts now and save a bit on CPUs/Mobo combos ect.
+StoneAgeGaming Yeah I'm in northern Illinois we don't have shit like that.
No shit. I'm a few hours from Chicago but that may be a good excuse for a little road trip.
+WD Fourty fry's service can be garbage though.. And the prices aren't that much better.
i go to that same micro center all the time!!
Thanks Paul, before I even watch the video. That is the same mobo I intend on using and I plan on getting an i3-6100 since the i5s are just a bit out of my price range.
And here I stand, having thought that BCLK was only adjustable to about 103 MHz. I didn't expect lowering the memory clock would help so much as it did here.
Also thanks for doing a video about BCLK OC, there's not many of them out there even in 2021. There's no way I'd be spending a 100 bucks more just for an unlocked multiplier without switching straight to Ryzen (or whatever comes after it).
I think I have a reeeaaally good chip. I managed 4.7Ghz @ 1.36V stable. 4.5Ghz @1.3V. Currently run 4.2Ghz @ 1.2V just for a cool running system. Never had that good an over clocked before!
Ryan Mitchell how loadline calibration?
Марат Джарасов never put loadline flat or higher. Just slightly below flat if mobo allows so.
gracias proel dato
lo probare cuando compre este i5 6500 en mi placa ASUS PRIME Z270-K
I'd rather not eat lunch for two days and buy the unlocked.
+Phil depends where you eat lunch... the 6700 is $330 right now but the 6700K is $415
+Paul's Hardware puss yes cost alot
+Great Scott like cars too
+Great Scott got mine for 260$
+CanineOmega be more specific k or not k
Hey Paul. Keep this stuff up. This is the stuff I want to see. There are enough putting parts together and making them look pretty. No doubt they are nice but nobody is doing this stuff on your level.
I truly appreciate this video your layout for it is great.
I want to buy a 6500 and a AsRock z170 Pro4, would you recomend it?
+Luis Angel Murrieta that would work, the power delivery isn't as beefy but it's a great price. I'd want to wire up on/off and reset switches before you go about overclocking, there's usually a fair amount of restarting and it's annoying to have to short pins every time
+Paul's Hardware Thanks for the answer :)
This is just like overclocking a Core 2 or most older chips with a locked multiplier. I do prefer overclocking with it unlocked.
Core 2 was unlocked
im using a i5 6500 and Im happy to say it is amazing. I have similar setup (same mobo and cpu) and I might decide to overclock in future but I dont have a cpu cooler and enough power to do it yet,
Thanks Paul, looking forward to part 2. Any more advice on this particular subject is welcomed as it can assist others who are trying to replicate exactly what you just did. Very good thought process too, trying to get maximum bang for your $$$$.
That un-populated blank motherboard PCB with standoffs he has is pretty cool. Anyone know what that is ?
+mrlithium69 wondering same thing.
+mrlithium69 I think it's also anti static.
What's your favorite z170 mobo Paul?
+Tech Showdown Even tho your not asking me. I think the ASUS Z170 Pro and Z170 Deluxe are the best
Deluxe? WTF you go x99 for that price, why bother with z170 at those overpriced boards
Top Hats and Champagne yeah your right.
Oh man. Micro Center looks like HEAVEN! I mean, computer stores in general are great to be in, but the amount of items Micro Center has in stock is just insane.
Your intro always makes me feel like I'm about to watch a Steve-o video.
Intel has disabled non-K Skylake CPU overclocking across the board -- if you have an older (January 2016 or earlier) CPU/mobo that was capable of this, it might still work though. For now. It's not out of the question that a CPU microcode update could be pushed through the operating system (Win10 for example) that would disable it, and updating to the most recent BIOS for your motherboard will definitely disable it. This makes it much more niche, and difficult to promise long-term support, so for now I have opted not to proceed with my follow-up video.
AsRock does have some new mobos in the works that have independent BCLK generators which might allow this again, I'll see if they want me to showcase how that works (they're H170/B150 boards btw).
Thank you Paul! You are awesome for keeping us updated!
+David Dickson So its disable to oc non k or not
+Kuba Worek from my knowledge it is no longer available for non K's. I have a i5-6600k that I bought from Micro Center for $210 and it works like a dream.
Hello sir i was wondering if you were maybe able to give me safe OC settings to use with my current components,i would be very thankful :)
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-Asrock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K4
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-Intel Core i5-6600
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Jos De Wal do u have i5 6600 or is the i5 6600K?
is this still possible?
for those wondering this still works- if ur bios is updated to support the microcode all you need to do is download the modded non k bios and roll back to it and you can oc from there using the blck.
Can't help but do a little dance, every time Paul's time lapse music plays.
Would this work with a b150 motherboard? I got my I5-6500 and b150 on MLK day 2016
no, it needs a z170 chipset
Not actually. b150 is minimum. But better use z170
Z170
Unless you use that gpu, mobo and cpu for like 6 months to 1 years , u can oc with b150
i overclocked my 6500 from 3,2 -> 4,5ghz without a problem... :)
Dominik Oxy I have the 6400 and a z-170m extreme 4, do you think I can overclock with that?
Dominik Oxy Nice, I got mine to 3.8ghz without any voltage gains. Will try add more juice later.
what happen now? is it still working? no issue?
How was the temperatures? I oc’ed mine once to 4.0ghz but the cpu temp on msi afterburner is showing that the temp is 100c, im not sure why.
great video always good stuff on channel.
Wish I had a micro center where I live... That place looks like a dream to a PC fanatic.
6:49 "i was able to overclock my 6500 'K'..." oops...
He also calls it a sandy bridge later on
"i was able to overclock my 6500 K" yeah sure :D
I would love to see how much more power the system draws as a whole, both under load and when idle, when overclocked, compared to standard.
Paul, when you run the k version cpu you could hit the heat sink block with an IR gun to see what it reads since you should be able to see what it is in windows via software, then you could correlate that data to what you see with the non K 6500 when you can't see the temp in windows. It won't be perfect but it will be in the ballpark.
How many people have ever overclocked an FSB!?
and BCLK.
fathur soebono Well, BCLK on the Skylake platform isn't like FSB of the past.
back in the day i did lol
Based on the idea you break it you but, shouldn't you be able to break it if you buy it. Intel im talking to you. #UnlockTheClock
They cant make more money doing that tho...
+Matty f but they would also save a ton in r&d and marketing
I want a micro center near me holy hell that store is like heaven.
Holyyyyy shit that Microcenter store looks amazing!!! Wish we had something like that in Canada!
Intel fuckers... back in my day we could OC by BCLK or FSB on any mobo...
even my i5 760 is at 3.8Ghz just by the BCLK (and could be even more, I never tested more)
locking cpus and making it impossible to OC Should be banned and a crime against consumer...
"locking cpus and making it impossible to OC Should be banned and a crime against consumer..." Are you high or what ?
if you buy something, why can't you do whatever you want?
Raimar Lunardi Well that is pretty much the same with iOS you can't customize anything on it. But I don't pretty much care If you can overcloak cpu or not.
You don't... but and your friends? your family? One day they will lock up something you care, then what??
Intel is a company they can do anything with their products. My family and friends are not a company as far as I know. And why would they lock up something that I care about... You can't just take family and a company that is making Procesors, SSDs, computers, etc... You can't just compare it. Family needs to support you. But not locking your things you care about. Company is just making products that people use almost everyday. And they pretty much don't care if the customers are a bit angry for locking a CPU. And if they want to overcloak the CPU they will just spend few extra money on a K version. That is how it works I know it is a little unfair for those people that are on the budget. But if the CPU is working fast and good even if it is not overcloaked nobody would care then (maybe some people that want to squize every single perfomance out of it). That is how it works in this world and this will take some time to change. Who knows maybe it will never change.
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+puddilover16 nice bro, autographs?
Dan Brah
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I love Micro Center myself, I've got one right down in Denver.
awesome concept for a video. It's similar to a car price/performance build im going for
AWSM Video.. Plz make part 2 with gaming benchmarks. Use games like Crysis 3, Shadow of Mordor, GTA 5,Assassins creed Syndicate etc . These games can really benefit from OCing da CPU. Also plz find out a way to measure Temps. REALLY WAITING FOR PART 2........
omg I wish we had Microcentre in the UK. it looks like heaven. All those stacks of CPU and CPU cooler boxes...
YEEZUS, Micro Center is an awesome store. A PC enthusiast wet dream
im running it with 1.35V and 140 BCKL and it runs like a dream
Been looking forward to see an i5 6500 overclocked. Ordered one myself just a few days ago so keen to see if you can overclock it any higher than 4.2ghz with some water cooling and tweaking the settings.
Great video! Do you get any weirdness overclocking just the bus speed with memory, video, sound, storage, or other controllers running off the bus? Over clocking the bus used to cause headaches with other components and controllers back in the day.
microcenter looks awesome, so much computer stuff together o.o
My PC has a i5-6600, 2x4gb GSkill Ripjaws V (same as you), a msi z170a gaming m5, 650w PSU, and a H100i GTX watercooler. What MHz/volts/BCLK do you recommend? Also, if it's running at a constant high MHz does it drastically decrease the cpu life?
Micro center looks like a paradise
I got a ASRock K4 Fatality and a 6400 with the Evo 212. Made for a nice combo, after the 2.6 BIOS update they removed overclocking but the BIOS was much more stable. I notice that with the 2.6 BIOS (I went back to running it for the OC) it's best to make changes 1 at a time then reboot if you try for more the odds of it hard locking while in the BIOS increase dramatically. Fortunately just a reset gets you back into the BIOS (I never had to resort to the CMOS clearing) I did managed to get a little over 3.6Ghz with out touching my voltages and that seems fine for me.
The performance gains where very odd for me... Some games and apps really almost seem to ignore the OC and others simply love it.
Anyway great video, kind of wish I had watched it before I had to learn all those tips on my own lol
Fake Edit: By locking up in the BIOS I mean even when sitting at complete stock settings, not sure if ASRock will fix this for the OC BIOS (I doubt it) but they did fix it in the update with the SKy OC removed. If anyone is wondering yes you can downgrade the BIOS to gain the OC functions and ASRock still has them up as of this writing.
After you get your settings in the BIOS, the hard lock thing never happens, only when your making changes.
Great video!!!
Love the music makes me think a little if Spy vs Spy
I picked up my i5-6500 processor for around 50-60 GBP less than the unlocked i5-6600 equivalent, definitely worth considering if you want to spend some extra money on a better GPU or better cooling etc, oh and once overclocked you can download HWiNFO32 to see your CPU temps!
+Paul's Hardware I was wondering if you had done that followup video, even just another update letting us know if it works or not would be awesome! Also thanks for the great info and videos either way.
I love how they have CPUs stacked like 12 gauge rounds XD
this is still possible, if you search, there are overclockable bios's for all the major motherboard releases from the various mobo vendors
wow the microcenter at your area looks more glamorous than the one at my place
Micro Center looks like paradise. We don't have these in my country:(
Quick question.... Was your EVO a little wiggly after tightening it down? I built an almost identical system and the EVO is working fantastic but I just don't like that I can slide it around on the CPU by what feels like almost a quarter of an inch....
Edit: I like the cooler it works fantastic, huge OC and my temps even at load are very low. Just that wiggle is something new to me... Used to coolers feeling locked in.
I remember when we had overclocking on all MB an overclock a 3 GHz CELERON to 4 GHz (no overvolt) ...
I believe at least ASRock has silently released some new BIOS updates that re-enable Sky OC. You should really check into this and do a follow up, LIKE YOU PROMISED US!!
It's so funny that a BCLK overclock is a "new and fancy" feature for the Z170 chipset. My Asrock Z97 motherboard was able to do this right out of the box. Problem is, with Haswell, you really couldn't overclock that way without messing up everything. I don't know, just seems silly that it is suddenly such a big deal (other than it is a relevant way to overclock now with Skylake).
+feelingtardy It is a "new and fancy" feature, because what your ASRock Z97 didn't have is a divided BCLK that distinguishes between CPU BCLK and System BCLK. Whe you raised your BCLK on your Z97 platform, you overclocked every bus in your system, including RAM and PCIe. On Skylake with the Z170 the BCLK is divided into CPU BCLK and System BCLK, so you can raise your CPU BCLK for overclocking but leave your System BCLK untouched to not overclock any other system-components.
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I know that, that's why I mentioned it, lol. I'm just saying, it's funny they had to almost add the feature back in for z170. Like they didn't include it with skylake because it didn't work with z97, but then had an "a-ha" moment and rushed to reintroduce it.
I'm so fucking glad I have a microcenter by me, it may be halfway across my state but the drive is worth it for their in store prices.
Oh man a Heaven of pc Builders *-*
thank you so much bro your the best!
YES! I have ASRock Z170M Pro4S Motherboard and a Quad Core i5 6600 at 3.50GHz :D
Nice vid.Whats the highest speed you had?4.2ghz?Ive got mine on a gigabyte ddr3 z170 mb at 137.5 blk @ 1,365 v and it stable.
I am not sure if anyone commented on this point and I am not going to read 800+ comments to find out so I will post this anyway.
If you look at the overclock settings (15:10ish) you will note the cache frequency is set significantly higher than the core frequency, this is one of the reasons overclocks fail on ASRock BCLK overclock enabled boards. When you first enable sky OC (pressing X when prompted during post) the cache multiplier will be lowered below the core multi. For some reason re-entering the UEFI after you have saved your settings and exited resets the Cache multi back to it's original value. While there isn't anything wrong with having your cache clocked higher, as you saw when he dialed things up to a BCLK of 140 the cache frequency was over 5ghz, it is easy to see why that overclock would have been unstable. So, the moral of the story is to reset your CMOS whenever you plan to tweak your settings, make sure you save a profile of the last settings you used then clear CMOS, reenable the SkyOC feature, then load your profile and adjust. It is easy to see if the cache multi has reset, just keep an eye out for it.
I would be interested in the power draw at idle of the non overclocked cpu and the overclocked one at idle. Since most people would spend a lot of time running it at a low cpu demand more than they would under load it would be nice to know how much power is being wasted doing things like surfing, e-mail, word processing, etc.
Hey Paul, quick question. Did you do the overclocking using the Beta Bios or the standard one ?
Paul, does the modded BIOS act normally when you are not overclocking on it? ultimately referring to C-states and temperature.
Yay new video!
nerd
an i5-6400 actually overclocks really really good.
i've seen someone run a 6400 at 4.7 G
Hello +Paul's Hardware, great video! Would you mind telling me the name of the song you used in the assembly section of the video? Around the 6 minute mark. Thank you!
which ram dimms did you used in particular in this project? I am looking for some dimms to do a non-k overclocking rig
Awesome videos I'm doing i57400
Paul, what software did you use to get the temperatures? I have a RX480, but MSI Afterburner cant seem to get its temperature. (I have downloaded the 4.3.0 version, and it didnt work)
open hardware monitor
Thank you
Adam Törngren np
Out of curiosity was that the Tustin micro center? From my experience they've always been super pushy with trying to get me to buy things I don't even want how was your experience?
I like that cooler. Is it rated well? I'll have to look into it. My old SpinQ is many many years old now and it is slowing down. It no longer does high speed. Its still cooling well thankfully. But this one being $30 makes it very nice since my old SpinQ was like $80.
but not the i5 6400
whatever, I subscribed. I like watching your videos.
Thanks for using M.2.
Hello Paul, just thought about overclocking my CPU and found your channel, great work, love your videos sofar! Can i apply the same procces you used here to my i5-3570 (non K) ? Any ideas from everyone appreciated. First time i would do smth like that.
Hi Poul, I have the i5 6500 but i'm not interested to overclock it for now, but I'd like to know what the voice in the bios that correspond to multiplier in cpu-z. Thank you for video.
this is very interesting to me, since i have this cpu. i am sure Intel is only worried about extra warranty claims if someone has problems doing this. but that being said, BUTT OUT INTEL!!! once a processor is out the door, its up to us to find ways around your engineering limitations. its no different that GM putting a rev limiter or speed limiter on one of their cars. you had your chance when it was in your house. now its OUR TURN!
I apologize for the way the text is written. I am Brazilian and I do not speak English, so I am elaborating this question with the help of the google translator.
I really liked the video. Congratulations! Since the subject is overclocked, if possible, I would like to take some doubts, but it is with regard to overclocking in RAM memories. Can be? The first question is:
1 - Does overclocking RAM interfere with the average processor temperature? My second question is also about RAM.
2 - We know that memories with high frequencies or overclocking, whether DDR3 or DDR4 do not bring significant performance gains in games. No longer rendering, the amount of memory ends up being more important than the frequency. I would like to know in what situations we actually have significant performance gains when we raise the frequency and decrease the latency of a memory to the point of concluding that overclocking in RAM really is worth it?
Thank you very much. =)
I need that T-shirt. SO CUTE
The shirt you are wearing during the overclocking is amazing. where do I get one?
how was the evo 212 able to keep the overclock cool? After testing in prime 95 i would shut down the computer and reboot, get into the bios, and check the temp which @ 4.385Ghz and 1.320Vcore i was at 40C, but it takes a bit of time to get to the BIOS so the cooler was probably able to cool down the chip a bit which is my worry so i was wondering with the i5-6400 and the overclock i am giving it is the cooler master evo 212 okay for now?
Thanks for this vídeo!!