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Thank you so much for this, I’m a new rider and recently bought my first bike. I’m starting to get the hang of it a little bit more but I’ve been struggling really bad with turns from a stop. And now that I watched this video I feel a lot more confident in it. Thank you! I’m going to go try it out now haha
If you're in the habit of resting your index and middle fingers on the front brake lever be cautious not to squeeze said lever during the turn. Always interesting and informative, thanks!.
Yup... THAT'S an invitation to "splatville" population you and swelling and neither of you is having fun... haha... It's easier done than you'd think, too. I'm not refuting that... Building the habit of covering the brake is fine and all for reducing reaction times, but when your "knee-jerk" instinct becomes a squeeze, during certain maneuvers it can bite you in the backside... Rather, I prefer to make the conscious decision on braking, relying on a system of Rear then Front then Clutch... as you get more aggressive on the brakes, all the way to a stop. AND at least, so far, it's worked out well for me... Obviously, you do you... I wouldn't change what you already know... BUT if I am asked by a new rider, "Rear, then front then clutch/downshifting" is my preferred method to teach and drill... It's just a good solid habit to get into... AND for those who b*tch about "The front has 80% of the braking power"... Well, I'd rather use 100% of my brakes in an aggressive braking situation... You can gamble (if you like) on 80% doing it... BUT I'd prefer 100 over even 90% if I have a choice in the matter. Maybe I'm weird. ;o)
Good callout. Avoid front brake on slow tight turns. It's amazing how fast one can drop a bike when applying front brake while wheel is turned. Especially if forks are compressed as you slow.
But for proficient riders the finger never leaves the lever. Gyroscpic effect. Dirt bike experience before pavement is very important. Honda makes an XR100. Put your behind on it or another of the like for some time. It's my opinion that if you have not learned to control on the dirt before road you are going to crash hard on hard top not pretty 😢
Technique videos rock. Seeing what to do while hearing how to do it is invaluable. It also provides incentive to get out there... And Ride, baby, RIDE!
Thanks Kevin i have learnt so much, 27 year break family etc, you have restored my riding skills , everything and even down to gear changing i.e applying slight pressure before applying the clutch.. Brilliantly helpful
Great video! 😺 I found your channel last year because I searched for a turn from a stop video and one you had done a while back popped up. Good to have a new one on the subject. Thanks for all the great content! I make mention of you and all your followers in my prayers each day 🙏 Prayers for safe rides! 🏍
As usual Kevin, very good, basic information that so many of us need further development of this skill. Those tight turns can be hazardous on some backcountry roads so this skill is essential. Love the drone video - really makes things easier to relate from a different viewpoint. Stay cool in that Texas heat.
I just wanna see you are the best TH-camr on TH-cam you give us so much of your knowledge and you are a very modest man thank you from all of us we all really appreciate it My friend!!
Definitely appreciate this video. Coming from a history of trikes then switching to a 2 wheel later in life I could not turn this motorcycle correctly at an instersection. Well turn it and not die ha ha ha. Watched this video and spent the entire afternoon at the school parking lot trying to make it a habit. There's a little comfort in knowing I wasn't the only one who couldn't do it right by seeing all these other riders on here commenting as well and that it was a legitimate question.
my daughter borrowed my brothers HD dyna, a heavy bike. I told her to start and stop going straight ahead. Don’t turn until you have your feet on the pegs. This was because, being small, there was no way for her to catch the bike if if started to tip over. This requires some planning but almost certainly saved some drops.
Rear brake. This allows you to give it throttle prior to letting off the clutch. Hills where I am are not that steep and my bike isn't that heavy, so I can do all of that smoothly enough from the front brake, but on steeper hills it is definitely easier to use the rear brake.
England has been driving on the left before the USA was even an actual country. The idea was to keep your right hand free to cross swords with oncoming highwaymen. Or whatever. So I reckon keeping to the right is actually wrong. The Japanese bike makers also seem to agree with the 'correct' side of the road for very similar reasons. Something to do with swords. Crazy Americans, what are you thinking? Only joking by the way, love the channel! Ride safe. Love and peace.
Kevin, after watching the video explaining how to stop and that you should only put your left foot down this video seems contradictory. In every exercise here the rider has both feet down. Also, if you only have your left foot down how would you turn and lean to the right in preparation to turn right without falling over? Thanks, Mike
Interesting video, Kevin. However, I was taught that starting from a dead stop with the front wheel turned is bad, as the power from the back wheel wants to go straight, and with the front wheel turned, the physics reduces the speed significantly, and, with the bike already leaning or beginning to lean, you don't have enough momentum to keep the bike upright. I know this from personal experience, as I did just that in a hotel parking lot during the middle of a 9 day trip, and ended up with a fractured knee trying to keep the bike from tipping over. I did almost exactly what you demonstated: Full stop, turned the handlebars to full lock, slow release of the clutch and ease on the throttle, and slight lean into the turn. The bike almost immediately started tipping over. What did I do wrong? For added info, it was a 2017 H-D Heritage, and I had a passenger.
This technique requires a commitment from the rider to follow through with enough power to keep the machine upright once it begins moving. The degree of commitment and skill required from the rider increases with the weight of the machine. This technique will minimize the radius of your turn, allowing you to make much tighter turns; it’s great for executing a counterbalanced u-turn; although these techniques aren’t really novice moves, imho. At the end, the video shows a rider perspective of a right turn which was tight enough to line the bike up with the center of the shoulder, afterwards the bike moved left into the lane, which is fine, but...
I just recently made this mistake. I had purchased my motorcycle it was delivered and 37 minutes later I was laying on the ground by making this exact mistake. I was pointed straightahead I was looking straight ahead. I gave it to much throttle and let off the clutch to fast. When I realize what I had done I tried to overcompensate turn how old fell. I tore three tended to my shoulder. Tore my arms to shreds. My big toe was in pieces. Thank you for the great video.
Have been practicing for weeks, and drop mine this morning g going to the left. Was looking straight and took the turn wide. I managed to stay on the small gravel shoulder however due how heigh the road was when I tried to get back on the road my foot peg caught, spun the back end of bike right out from under me. Fortunately, I had riding buddy behind me and to help keep traffic from hitting me. With minor damage, I was able to get back on the bike and ride it to work. I have sore wrist, strawberry left knee, bruise pride.
Love the vids. You say lock the turn but we, and you, have lots of blacktop loose gravel on the turns. Right where the low spot is between your road the turn road. You suggestions to dealing with that gravel which will slip that front tire in a slow turn.
same applies to sidecars folks (except for the leaning)! and I was in the UK until last week on a trip. Yeah, that tool some getting used to. Start straight, go straight, start right (or left) got right (or left) and don't forget, look where you go, go where you look!
There's something to add on this tehnique which really helps alot and that's while pointing your head and turning the bike towards the way you wanna go and slightly leaning the bike also, adding a bit of counter balance. Slightly leaning your hip or the mid-low part of your torso to the opposite side which gives more control while leaning the bike in the direction you want to go. The result is also being able to make that turn more narrow, sharper while using the counter balance. Keep that in mind and, of course try it!
So this comes at the perfect moment in time, for myself anyway. I have only been riding for 3 weeks now and continue to analyze my skills and the lack of them also. I live in eastern Pennsylvania and the roads here are narrow, twisty, gravely and quite full of hills. My biggest problem right now is negotiating turns from a full stop. For some reason turning right seems to be more difficult than turning left. In addition, I ride a Honda Rebel 1100 DCT which is a blessing most of the time, but sometimes such at a stop I have to be very careful and conscious not to inadvertently give it to much throttle. Anyway, thanks for this information and all the other informative videos you provide. 🙏😎
In the meantime, (like while you're still practicing) you CAN stop about 2 extra feet back most of the time... This lets you just get the bike rolling (and stable) before you negotiate the turn, making that turn its own entity and separate from starting off. I did that when I was still new and clumsy with things... and there's no law against stopping a bit behind where the "line" is... OR giving yourself an extra couple feet behind the next vehicle, for the matter... Obviously, you'll still want to shore up those skills and all anyways... It's just good sense. BUT one thing at a time. Riding is complicated enough, especially when we still want to do more than tool around parking lots with our bikes. SO keep up on the drills, and all... This isn't an excuse to slouch on those. BUT a lot of folks seem to think there's no space out there, and it leads to panic and emergency stops and other maneuvers when they aren't needed... You actually have some space to play with and so long as you've got it, it's OKAY to use it. It's not necessarily "strictly good form" BUT it's still okay. Try not to get run all over and work toward the simplicity of "Look where you want the bike to go" and she'll go there for you. ;o)
@@hurricanebillbass1 Always welcome. Nothing good comes from making anything any more complicated than it has to be. Riding is a skill you'll build upon for the rest of your life, even when you don't realize it. SO starting out, it's okay to be clumsy. You don't want to prolong it (thus my disclaimer in the earlier post) BUT we were all "noobs" at the beginning... AND as my riding coach explained, you can make things easier on yourself or you can make them harder on yourself... I'm lazy... I like easier... AND it's worth saying that "simplifying" the processes also makes it SAFER in general, at least until you've grown the skills to handle it. You'll get there from here. I believe in you. ;o)
Your problem will go away when you get a Rebel 300 or a 500 to train on. Your bike is to powerful and heavy for you to handle. And that makes it 100 times harder to learn the smallest thing. When you have a DCT, you have to be a expert on throttle control, with low speed or sharp turns. And all roads one can drive a car or a big truck, is not narrow to a bike. Wake up and smell the coffee, before something serious bad happens. This is not a game, that you have to win to day or even this year. We are just trying to survive on the streets. Why do you think every one that ever have been a good rider, started on a small bike?
I noticed on every turn it took a long time for you to pick up your feet. I was taught “as soon” as the bike starts moving, pick up your feet. Curious on your thoughts, thanks.
Part of the reason is on this bike my knees are close to the handlebars when at full lock. I was giving myself time to get the handlebars straightened some to make room for my knees. It is important though that I was not dragging my feet, they were off the ground. If you drag your feet you may get them hung up.
One thing I would add is to get your RPMs fairly high so you have power in reserve. Especially on a larger or heavier cruiser. Just how much of that power you tap into is controlled by the friction zone. But it's immediately there if you need it.
That can be the last ting you do, if you steering your bike like this. And you loose the clutch for some reason. Seen lots of people do this with a little to much throttle. And the bike turns the other way, strait into traffic. Just looking out my window sometimes, on the nearest traffic light, I have seen it twice the last year or two… Almost got run down by the car coming against them. Using counter-steering is much safer, then the bike do the same, now matter how much power you give the bike.
@@Gismo3333 I agree with using countersteering .. however in this case when turning from a stop countersteering does not come into the equation. The bike needs to be already moving with some speed to use countersteering.
@@gregwhite8470 - it is obviously that you just don't know that you do use CS. If you don't use it, the bike will go strait, and not turn at all. CS always work, even when the bike is not moving at all. Keith Code proved this long ago. So you say physics is wrong? Maybe do a little research before you say that someone is wrong. At least on things that can be the difference between life and death. This has been a known fact at least 30-40 years or more.
@@Gismo3333 no need to get testy. We are all entitled to different opinions. My comment is based on the training received from a motor officer. Others also recommend "pre loading" with some extra RPMs to have power in reserve. It's not a new concept. You may want to expand your TH-cam research.
@@gregwhite8470 - I don't need to research things I have seen with my own eyes. I trust my self, my eyes and ears, more then I trust a TH-camrs with the intent of making money. You are calling me out to expand my YT research? I have my own experience, that I tried my self, and know that it work. Who many times have you made it up a hill whit ice on it? I did that every day, two winters in a row. You think you can even come close to me with YT research… You are delusional. - I literary have more experience then you, in my middle finger. And I don't give advise to others, only from what a random research on YT. Only research on YT don't trump real life experience. Tell that to a compete noob… And he rew the bike up to 4000-8000rpm and pop the clutch turning into a road with lots of traffic. That is going to end really well… He probably come back and thank you after.
I am very rural on gravel and then a narrow two-lane paved highway for twenty miles. There are no parking lots of any kind until then and then they are small and have cars during daylight hours. I can practice somewhat on our gravel road but gravel makes it harder. I have not gone down yet. There are no scratches on my bike yet. Time will tell. Thanks for these helpful videos so I have something to practice.
Maybe buy a used cheap 125cc to train on… or another small bike. But training on gravel only makes you better rider. Don't forget to relax, that I'm still forgetting sometimes. And it makes me so tired.
I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Your left turn must have been for people in the UK, yes? Otherwise, it looks like you would be heading right into on-coming traffic.
There is a small "roundabout" at the end of my street. I have mastered going straight, and turning right, but turning left seems rather daunting. Can you please do a video on that? It's not necessary to come to a stop at this intersection unless there are vehicles in the circle to which you must yield.
When I took the MSF licensing course, I was having trouble with sharp turns from a stop. Not once did the instructor mention turning the handlebars prior to moving. Would’ve been nice to know.
When I want to turn right from a stop, I turn the handle bar to the left (30-40 degrees). Once you apply power to the rear wheel, the bike will go a little bit to the left and will lean to the right if you allow the handle bar to react on it’s own. If you want to turn left, start with the handle bar pointing right! Try on a parking lot first. Search for videos on the Japanese Police making u-turns and you will see how they do this.
Hello. Would you advise the same technique of turning whilst on a sports bike? Reason I ask is that on my s1000rr the bike tends to lock up when the handle is fully turned towards the right or left and hence I have to counter balance the motorcycle and then complete a sharp stationary turn. Your advise would be really valuable.....
Counter-Steering is the only way you can turn your bike. My advice is sell your bike and get a 400cc ninja or some other lighter, easier bike to handle. So you can learn something before you get to old. Learning to ride on that bike, is like learning to drive a car with a racing car… It is way to hard.
Yes sir and I was one of them myself. I was really having trouble with something so simple being so hard. So as my wife and I were out and about in the car I tried to watch every biker I heard and you'd be surprised to how many of them were doing it as wrong as I was. It's just that they had made it a bad habit so long I suppose their take off was cleaner than mine. This was a great instructional video!
It is not much different. Holding the back brake. Let the clutch out until it start to engage, then ad more throttle and at the same time let up on the brake and easy out the clutch all the way. You don't have to train on this on a incline. Just practice it until you have it good, then how the road are, is not even a thing. You are just over complicating things, and making it harder then it has to be. That is not a good thing. Then you only learn less.
No, you don't have to do much. Most people do way to much, when they crash, as a result. Turn right, push right side of the handle bar. And do nothing after that. To make the turn even tighter you push more gently on the right side. And give it enough throttle. That's it. When you get it to work, and tried it couple of times. It is super easy.
I was taught to find the friction zone and then give some throttle. But at my safety course they switched it up for the road test to give some throttle and then get the friction zone. Which do you think is more efficient?
Either one works. Finding the friction zone without applying power, then throttling up, then applying power through the friction zone can be more consistent for a newbie who isn't confident in where the friction zone is. It's quicker and smoother though to rev up and then get into the friction zone.
I have a habit of turning my head to make sure no car is pulling out of a driveway or coming out of a blind spot last minute while in the middle of a turn. Throws my steady off every time but once I had to avoid one I have trouble not looking every time. May 11th, 1978 (scar is still there) and I still have to look.
Old habits are hard to break, especially when they are associated with a crash or close call. On the road, the last thing I do is check the opposite way...if it is clear it won't change in the 1/4 second before I move out, if it does I did not do a very good job of checking. By turning your head to check mid-turn you are throwing off your balance and disrupting the turn as you mentioned and you are failing to keep your focus on the direction of your travel. By doing this you are probably carrying more risk than the mid-turn check alleviates.
New rider here. In my practice of right turn from stop, I learned that if I don’t push right, I will straighten up and go in the next lane (in spite of handlebars turned right and head and eyes being where I want to go.) Didn’t they teach in BRC that counter steering only came into play over 15 mph. That is confusing me. Thoughts appreciated.
Countersteering works at all speeds on a two wheeled vehicle. What countersteering actually means may trip some people up though. Without overcomplicating, in *this* scenario you are starting with the bars already turned into the turn and the bike leaned. At this point only throttle control is needed to control the bike. At full lock once you get the speed high enough the bike will stand up.
I can do a hard right turn from a stop, falling smoothly into it with that initial lean. Making a hard right without stopping, I don't have the steps. I don't go out of the lane but I proceed more gingerly than I expect I should.
Probably because you steer your bike like a car, and not like a bike. It is more like riding a horse. But you push the handle bar on a bike, instead of pull the reins of a horse the side you want to go. And you don't have to do anymore. Then the bike will lean over a bit and take the turn easy. If you need to tighten the turn, push a bit more. The bike will instantly react. So don't do anything more or less, or you will f**k it up. Do nothing and relax, and let the bike do it's thing. It will be the easiest turn you ever made. You have learned taking a turn, the hard way. That is why you still struggle.
Any tips for a tight right turn from a stop on an incline? My driveway has limited visibility, and not only is it not level, the street pavement is several inches higher than the driveway with a brief transition of a foot or so. Without the transition to the pavement, it's still on an incline, so with the motorcycle leaned to the right, it's a little tough to figure out the rear brake so I can throttle without being tipped too far. Being super new to riding, this adds some nervousness, and a couple times (part of the reason I wait for it to be clear both ways) I find myself swinging too wide and a bit into the oncoming lane. I want to cure that. As of now, I have been approaching the end of the driveway at an angle so I can initiate the exit in a straight line, and then I have to turn in the road itself. For this specific scenario, I wish I had a better answer, but the next intersection from there is ... a right turn from a stop on an incline. It is absolutely a repeating scenario.
MC you have such a great voice for narration! I find shifting my butt off the seat in the opposite direction from the turn allows me to lock the steering and turn very sharp.
Kevin, I still struggle with the 2 points of difficulty. 1). Counter steering, and 2). Trail braking. I'm not getting how to do them, so, I ride in empty parking lots and hardly traveled roads. My friends laugh at me like I'm some sort of bungling idiot because I haven't "got it" yet. Doug🏍️
Take lessons. Even if it's a Basic Rider course. Hands on instruction/training will help in ways you can't even imagine. It's great that we have all of Kevin's informational videos to learn so much from, but a good instructor can see your mistakes/bad habits, in real time, & help correct them. Watching videos and practicing in a safe environment regularly keeps my skills sharp, but hands on training will take your skill & understanding to another level. Take some courses, don't be afraid to ask dumb questions, and become the best you can be. It's worth your life, isn't it?
They are the idiots and the morons. Why cant they show you what to do. Trail braking you can drop until you got the other tings down. That is not friends, that is only stupid people you know about. Friends would have trained with you. They are only going to hold you back and down. Dump them. Counter-Steering is only push on the side of the handlebar, you want to turn. You are probably adding a lot of other steps. That is why it don't work. trail braking, is only touching the break of your choice. Front, back, engine braking or all of them together. Try the last, after you have learn how it work. And most corners you just take in the slack of the brake lever. And the front brake is the easiest to learn. Because you have much more feeling in our hand, then your feet, through a big boot. Engine braking is not reliable, because it brake different in all gears and RPM's, and if it is flat, up or down. it is just so much braking from engine braking. So learn with the front brake first. And you can probably practice some emergency braking also. That is something everyone need to practice every day. It is just to do some hard braking. You should be able to lift the back wheel before you can go into traffic. Bet 50% cant brake hard enough. Probably the reason they laugh at you‚ is they can't do it them self. And they see it as a wast of time. Until they need it. And they are going to the hospital or did not make it…
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Thank you so much for this, I’m a new rider and recently bought my first bike. I’m starting to get the hang of it a little bit more but I’ve been struggling really bad with turns from a stop. And now that I watched this video I feel a lot more confident in it. Thank you! I’m going to go try it out now haha
If you're in the habit of resting your index and middle fingers on the front brake lever be cautious not to squeeze said lever during the turn. Always interesting and informative, thanks!.
This is true especially for new riders. One of the reason why the MSF does not advocate covering the brake for new riders.
Yup... THAT'S an invitation to "splatville" population you and swelling and neither of you is having fun... haha...
It's easier done than you'd think, too. I'm not refuting that... Building the habit of covering the brake is fine and all for reducing reaction times, but when your "knee-jerk" instinct becomes a squeeze, during certain maneuvers it can bite you in the backside...
Rather, I prefer to make the conscious decision on braking, relying on a system of Rear then Front then Clutch... as you get more aggressive on the brakes, all the way to a stop.
AND at least, so far, it's worked out well for me... Obviously, you do you... I wouldn't change what you already know...
BUT if I am asked by a new rider, "Rear, then front then clutch/downshifting" is my preferred method to teach and drill... It's just a good solid habit to get into...
AND for those who b*tch about "The front has 80% of the braking power"... Well, I'd rather use 100% of my brakes in an aggressive braking situation... You can gamble (if you like) on 80% doing it... BUT I'd prefer 100 over even 90% if I have a choice in the matter.
Maybe I'm weird. ;o)
Good callout. Avoid front brake on slow tight turns. It's amazing how fast one can drop a bike when applying front brake while wheel is turned. Especially if forks are compressed as you slow.
But for proficient riders the finger never leaves the lever.
Gyroscpic effect.
Dirt bike experience before pavement is very important. Honda makes an XR100. Put your behind on it or another of the like for some time. It's my opinion that if you have not learned to control on the dirt before road you are going to crash hard on hard top not pretty 😢
Thanks man!
I learned that the hard way.
And didn't know for a long time what happened.
But hey. I did learn.
Perfect timing of this video! I was just thinking about practicing this the other day! Thank you for the amazing content every week!
I get to start every ride with a 90 degree turn from a stop just to point out of the driveway. Great practice.
I will be practicing this maneuver today. Thanks for the info!!!
Good stuff to know. Almost every ride for every rider is going to start with this type of turn, Keep the good stuff coming buddy.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
Beginner rider here, Thank you for this!
Technique videos rock. Seeing what to do while hearing how to do it is invaluable. It also provides incentive to get out there... And Ride, baby, RIDE!
Solid advise as always. Nice practical tips given to practice. Many thanks.
Great technique - thanks. Will practice.
Very helpful. Thanks for posting
Thanks Kevin i have learnt so much, 27 year break family etc, you have restored my riding skills , everything and even down to gear changing i.e applying slight pressure before applying the clutch.. Brilliantly helpful
Slight pressure where ?
@@themalaailaanaa1347the shifter
Thanks for all your videos. You've helped me be a better rider and safer driver.
Great video! 😺 I found your channel last year because I searched for a turn from a stop video and one you had done a while back popped up. Good to have a new one on the subject. Thanks for all the great content! I make mention of you and all your followers in my prayers each day 🙏 Prayers for safe rides! 🏍
As usual Kevin, very good, basic information that so many of us need further development of this skill. Those tight turns can be hazardous on some backcountry roads so this skill is essential. Love the drone video - really makes things easier to relate from a different viewpoint. Stay cool in that Texas heat.
I just wanna see you are the best TH-camr on TH-cam you give us so much of your knowledge and you are a very modest man thank you from all of us we all really appreciate it My friend!!
I appreciate that!
Thanks.
Good exercise to add into my parking lot motorcycle exercises. Several times a week.
Definitely appreciate this video. Coming from a history of trikes then switching to a 2 wheel later in life I could not turn this motorcycle correctly at an instersection. Well turn it and not die ha ha ha. Watched this video and spent the entire afternoon at the school parking lot trying to make it a habit. There's a little comfort in knowing I wasn't the only one who couldn't do it right by seeing all these other riders on here commenting as well and that it was a legitimate question.
Glad it helped you David. 👍🏻
Thanks Kevin!
Good fundamentals and every rider should practice. Beautiful Speedy, BTW.
Thank you, tried it and it does turn easily. For now I turn confidently. 👌👍👍👍
EXCELLENT demo!! Thank you. I also just bought a 2022 Triumph Speedmaster.
Thanks for the information
Appreciate your simple direct instructions
Very nice video again Kevin, thanks buddy! Ride safe!
Thanks for making and posting this video. Very helpful to me. How about a video on stopping and starting on a hill?
Thank you for this!!
my daughter borrowed my brothers HD dyna, a heavy bike. I told her to start and stop going straight ahead. Don’t turn until you have your feet on the pegs. This was because, being small, there was no way for her to catch the bike if if started to tip over. This requires some planning but almost certainly saved some drops.
Thank you so much! Great video, very helpful information!!
Thanks for another outstanding video.
Learned something new...thanks.
Any tips for turning to the right from a stop while on an uphill incline? Which brake should I use to prevent from rolling backwards down the hill?
Rear brake. This allows you to give it throttle prior to letting off the clutch. Hills where I am are not that steep and my bike isn't that heavy, so I can do all of that smoothly enough from the front brake, but on steeper hills it is definitely easier to use the rear brake.
England has been driving on the left before the USA was even an actual country.
The idea was to keep your right hand free to cross swords with oncoming highwaymen. Or whatever.
So I reckon keeping to the right is actually wrong.
The Japanese bike makers also seem to agree with the 'correct' side of the road for very similar reasons. Something to do with swords.
Crazy Americans, what are you thinking?
Only joking by the way, love the channel!
Ride safe. Love and peace.
Kevin, after watching the video explaining how to stop and that you should only put your left foot down this video seems contradictory. In every exercise here the rider has both feet down. Also, if you only have your left foot down how would you turn and lean to the right in preparation to turn right without falling over? Thanks, Mike
Been riding over fifty years, always something to learn. I presume minus the clutch play, the same principles go for DCT?
Thanks man.
Very timely. Thanks
Thank you sir. This was the one thing I failed during my MSF test. forgot to turn my head, forgot to turn the bars and lean in.
This was the hardest part of my MSF course. Once I got the head turn thing figured out, it was much better.
Thanks for the info Kevin
You bet
I love this channel
Thanks for the video very helpful. Which bike is that, its quite nice 👍
Excellent ideas, thank you sir ❤
Interesting video, Kevin. However, I was taught that starting from a dead stop with the front wheel turned is bad, as the power from the back wheel wants to go straight, and with the front wheel turned, the physics reduces the speed significantly, and, with the bike already leaning or beginning to lean, you don't have enough momentum to keep the bike upright. I know this from personal experience, as I did just that in a hotel parking lot during the middle of a 9 day trip, and ended up with a fractured knee trying to keep the bike from tipping over. I did almost exactly what you demonstated: Full stop, turned the handlebars to full lock, slow release of the clutch and ease on the throttle, and slight lean into the turn. The bike almost immediately started tipping over. What did I do wrong? For added info, it was a 2017 H-D Heritage, and I had a passenger.
Maybe not enough throttle. Another suggestion is to practice with a passenger
Practice first in a straight line as shown in the video. Probably not enough momentum caused your drop. This is an important skill to develop. 👍🏻
This technique requires a commitment from the rider to follow through with enough power to keep the machine upright once it begins moving. The degree of commitment and skill required from the rider increases with the weight of the machine.
This technique will minimize the radius of your turn, allowing you to make much tighter turns; it’s great for executing a counterbalanced u-turn; although these techniques aren’t really novice moves, imho.
At the end, the video shows a rider perspective of a right turn which was tight enough to line the bike up with the center of the shoulder, afterwards the bike moved left into the lane, which is fine, but...
Brilliant, thank you!
Thanks Kevin, I look forward to Friday morning schooling.
I just recently made this mistake. I had purchased my motorcycle it was delivered and 37 minutes later I was laying on the ground by making this exact mistake. I was pointed straightahead I was looking straight ahead. I gave it to much throttle and let off the clutch to fast. When I realize what I had done I tried to overcompensate turn how old fell. I tore three tended to my shoulder. Tore my arms to shreds. My big toe was in pieces. Thank you for the great video.
Have been practicing for weeks, and drop mine this morning g going to the left. Was looking straight and took the turn wide. I managed to stay on the small gravel shoulder however due how heigh the road was when I tried to get back on the road my foot peg caught, spun the back end of bike right out from under me. Fortunately, I had riding buddy behind me and to help keep traffic from hitting me. With minor damage, I was able to get back on the bike and ride it to work. I have sore wrist, strawberry left knee, bruise pride.
Taking notes 📝🙏
Love the vids. You say lock the turn but we, and you, have lots of blacktop loose gravel on the turns. Right where the low spot is between your road the turn road. You suggestions to dealing with that gravel which will slip that front tire in a slow turn.
same applies to sidecars folks (except for the leaning)! and I was in the UK until last week on a trip. Yeah, that tool some getting used to.
Start straight, go straight, start right (or left) got right (or left) and don't forget, look where you go, go where you look!
Happy Friday Kevin always enjoy your content very informative take care my friend and have a blessed weekend!!
Thanks 👍
Good information and true.
Thanks for the tips.
There's something to add on this tehnique which really helps alot and that's while pointing your head and turning the bike towards the way you wanna go and slightly leaning the bike also, adding a bit of counter balance. Slightly leaning your hip or the mid-low part of your torso to the opposite side which gives more control while leaning the bike in the direction you want to go. The result is also being able to make that turn more narrow, sharper while using the counter balance. Keep that in mind and, of course try it!
Great point.
100%! And dragging the rear brake slightly, to keep the wheelbase of the bike longer and stabilize it a bit.
If you have total clutch control then there is never a need for rear break
@@wayneevans8484 that is the most false statement on this entire video comment thread. 😂
Great help ❤
Thanks for tips
So this comes at the perfect moment in time, for myself anyway. I have only been riding for 3 weeks now and continue to analyze my skills and the lack of them also. I live in eastern Pennsylvania and the roads here are narrow, twisty, gravely and quite full of hills. My biggest problem right now is negotiating turns from a full stop. For some reason turning right seems to be more difficult than turning left. In addition, I ride a Honda Rebel 1100 DCT which is a blessing most of the time, but sometimes such at a stop I have to be very careful and conscious not to inadvertently give it to much throttle. Anyway, thanks for this information and all the other informative videos you provide. 🙏😎
In the meantime, (like while you're still practicing) you CAN stop about 2 extra feet back most of the time... This lets you just get the bike rolling (and stable) before you negotiate the turn, making that turn its own entity and separate from starting off. I did that when I was still new and clumsy with things... and there's no law against stopping a bit behind where the "line" is... OR giving yourself an extra couple feet behind the next vehicle, for the matter...
Obviously, you'll still want to shore up those skills and all anyways... It's just good sense. BUT one thing at a time. Riding is complicated enough, especially when we still want to do more than tool around parking lots with our bikes. SO keep up on the drills, and all... This isn't an excuse to slouch on those.
BUT a lot of folks seem to think there's no space out there, and it leads to panic and emergency stops and other maneuvers when they aren't needed... You actually have some space to play with and so long as you've got it, it's OKAY to use it. It's not necessarily "strictly good form" BUT it's still okay. Try not to get run all over and work toward the simplicity of "Look where you want the bike to go" and she'll go there for you. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 , thanks for the helpful advice. 🙏
@@hurricanebillbass1 Always welcome. Nothing good comes from making anything any more complicated than it has to be. Riding is a skill you'll build upon for the rest of your life, even when you don't realize it.
SO starting out, it's okay to be clumsy. You don't want to prolong it (thus my disclaimer in the earlier post) BUT we were all "noobs" at the beginning... AND as my riding coach explained, you can make things easier on yourself or you can make them harder on yourself... I'm lazy... I like easier...
AND it's worth saying that "simplifying" the processes also makes it SAFER in general, at least until you've grown the skills to handle it. You'll get there from here. I believe in you. ;o)
Your problem will go away when you get a Rebel 300 or a 500 to train on. Your bike is to powerful and heavy for you to handle. And that makes it 100 times harder to learn the smallest thing. When you have a DCT, you have to be a expert on throttle control, with low speed or sharp turns. And all roads one can drive a car or a big truck, is not narrow to a bike.
Wake up and smell the coffee, before something serious bad happens. This is not a game, that you have to win to day or even this year. We are just trying to survive on the streets.
Why do you think every one that ever have been a good rider, started on a small bike?
I noticed on every turn it took a long time for you to pick up your feet. I was taught “as soon” as the bike starts moving, pick up your feet. Curious on your thoughts, thanks.
Part of the reason is on this bike my knees are close to the handlebars when at full lock. I was giving myself time to get the handlebars straightened some to make room for my knees. It is important though that I was not dragging my feet, they were off the ground. If you drag your feet you may get them hung up.
One thing I would add is to get your RPMs fairly high so you have power in reserve. Especially on a larger or heavier cruiser. Just how much of that power you tap into is controlled by the friction zone. But it's immediately there if you need it.
That can be the last ting you do, if you steering your bike like this. And you loose the clutch for some reason. Seen lots of people do this with a little to much throttle. And the bike turns the other way, strait into traffic. Just looking out my window sometimes, on the nearest traffic light, I have seen it twice the last year or two… Almost got run down by the car coming against them. Using counter-steering is much safer, then the bike do the same, now matter how much power you give the bike.
@@Gismo3333 I agree with using countersteering .. however in this case when turning from a stop countersteering does not come into the equation. The bike needs to be already moving with some speed to use countersteering.
@@gregwhite8470 - it is obviously that you just don't know that you do use CS. If you don't use it, the bike will go strait, and not turn at all.
CS always work, even when the bike is not moving at all. Keith Code proved this long ago. So you say physics is wrong?
Maybe do a little research before you say that someone is wrong. At least on things that can be the difference between life and death. This has been a known fact at least 30-40 years or more.
@@Gismo3333 no need to get testy. We are all entitled to different opinions. My comment is based on the training received from a motor officer. Others also recommend "pre loading" with some extra RPMs to have power in reserve. It's not a new concept. You may want to expand your TH-cam research.
@@gregwhite8470 - I don't need to research things I have seen with my own eyes. I trust my self, my eyes and ears, more then I trust a TH-camrs with the intent of making money.
You are calling me out to expand my YT research?
I have my own experience, that I tried my self, and know that it work.
Who many times have you made it up a hill whit ice on it?
I did that every day, two winters in a row. You think you can even come close to me with YT research… You are delusional.
- I literary have more experience then you, in my middle finger.
And I don't give advise to others, only from what a random research on YT.
Only research on YT don't trump real life experience.
Tell that to a compete noob… And he rew the bike up to 4000-8000rpm and pop the clutch turning into a road with lots of traffic. That is going to end really well… He probably come back and thank you after.
Thank you
I am very rural on gravel and then a narrow two-lane paved highway for twenty miles. There are no parking lots of any kind until then and then they are small and have cars during daylight hours. I can practice somewhat on our gravel road but gravel makes it harder. I have not gone down yet. There are no scratches on my bike yet. Time will tell. Thanks for these helpful videos so I have something to practice.
Maybe buy a used cheap 125cc to train on… or another small bike. But training on gravel only makes you better rider. Don't forget to relax, that I'm still forgetting sometimes. And it makes me so tired.
Practising this both ways is essential in the north of the UK as a lot of roads (that are fun, most B Roads) are single track.
I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Your left turn must have been for people in the UK, yes? Otherwise, it looks like you would be heading right into on-coming traffic.
Watched it 3 times, he must have had the video reversed is all can figure!
Thank you for these tips 👍🏽✌🏽💋😊
Amazing.
Excellent video. So many of us "space out" and forget to focus.
👍this technique occurs many times in the BRC
Wait. When did you get the speed master. Please review that motor cycle.
Thanks
Totally unrelated observation: I dig the wide whites on that beautiful Triumph, Kevin!! What year?
There is a small "roundabout" at the end of my street. I have mastered going straight, and turning right, but turning left seems rather daunting. Can you please do a video on that? It's not necessary to come to a stop at this intersection unless there are vehicles in the circle to which you must yield.
Great! Thank you.
You are welcome!
Great info 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks. 😊👍🏻
This will help me because my turns get wide at times and it's so frustrating, watching this I see my mistakes.
Thank you brother 😎. Excellent video. ✝️
Glad you enjoyed it
@@MCrider have a great n safe weekend 😎
Thanks! Just passed my endorsement exam
When I took the MSF licensing course, I was having trouble with sharp turns from a stop. Not once did the instructor mention turning the handlebars prior to moving. Would’ve been nice to know.
When I want to turn right from a stop, I turn the handle bar to the left (30-40 degrees). Once you apply power to the rear wheel, the bike will go a little bit to the left and will lean to the right if you allow the handle bar to react on it’s own. If you want to turn left, start with the handle bar pointing right! Try on a parking lot first. Search for videos on the Japanese Police making u-turns and you will see how they do this.
thanks
Do you lean into the turn or lean away from the turn? I’m thinking lean away from the turn then straighten up right?
Hello. Would you advise the same technique of turning whilst on a sports bike? Reason I ask is that on my s1000rr the bike tends to lock up when the handle is fully turned towards the right or left and hence I have to counter balance the motorcycle and then complete a sharp stationary turn. Your advise would be really valuable.....
Counter-Steering is the only way you can turn your bike.
My advice is sell your bike and get a 400cc ninja or some other lighter, easier bike to handle. So you can learn something before you get to old.
Learning to ride on that bike, is like learning to drive a car with a racing car… It is way to hard.
Good topic , I see sooo many riders struggle with this
Yes sir and I was one of them myself. I was really having trouble with something so simple being so hard. So as my wife and I were out and about in the car I tried to watch every biker I heard and you'd be surprised to how many of them were doing it as wrong as I was. It's just that they had made it a bad habit so long I suppose their take off was cleaner than mine. This was a great instructional video!
Do you have a video on stopping and starting with turning while on a incline?
I dumped my bike on a hill a couple of years ago, It'll be good to see the response
It is not much different. Holding the back brake. Let the clutch out until it start to engage, then ad more throttle and at the same time let up on the brake and easy out the clutch all the way. You don't have to train on this on a incline. Just practice it until you have it good, then how the road are, is not even a thing. You are just over complicating things, and making it harder then it has to be. That is not a good thing. Then you only learn less.
@@Gismo3333 ok thanks. I’ll give it a try
Should you be leaning your upper body slightly in the opposite direction (i.e. if turning right, lean body left) ?
No, you don't have to do much. Most people do way to much, when they crash, as a result. Turn right, push right side of the handle bar. And do nothing after that. To make the turn even tighter you push more gently on the right side. And give it enough throttle. That's it. When you get it to work, and tried it couple of times. It is super easy.
Very help full. I try not to stop all the way to avoid turning right from a dead stop the wrong way, it has always felt wrong and uncomfortable to me.
Sounds like a good excuse to practice on a parking lot. ;)
Final look over the shoulder in UK before moving off ...or you fail your driving test. Confuses the direction of course.
I was taught to find the friction zone and then give some throttle. But at my safety course they switched it up for the road test to give some throttle and then get the friction zone. Which do you think is more efficient?
Either one works. Finding the friction zone without applying power, then throttling up, then applying power through the friction zone can be more consistent for a newbie who isn't confident in where the friction zone is. It's quicker and smoother though to rev up and then get into the friction zone.
does this same technique apply to sport bikes?
I have a zx6r and struggle not to swing wide on takeoff
I have a habit of turning my head to make sure no car is pulling out of a driveway or coming out of a blind spot last minute while in the middle of a turn. Throws my steady off every time but once I had to avoid one I have trouble not looking every time. May 11th, 1978 (scar is still there) and I still have to look.
Old habits are hard to break, especially when they are associated with a crash or close call. On the road, the last thing I do is check the opposite way...if it is clear it won't change in the 1/4 second before I move out, if it does I did not do a very good job of checking.
By turning your head to check mid-turn you are throwing off your balance and disrupting the turn as you mentioned and you are failing to keep your focus on the direction of your travel. By doing this you are probably carrying more risk than the mid-turn check alleviates.
@@MCrider I'll have to work on that. Thanks!
New rider here. In my practice of right turn from stop, I learned that if I don’t push right, I will straighten up and go in the next lane (in spite of handlebars turned right and head and eyes being where I want to go.) Didn’t they teach in BRC that counter steering only came into play over 15 mph. That is confusing me. Thoughts appreciated.
Countersteering works at all speeds on a two wheeled vehicle. What countersteering actually means may trip some people up though. Without overcomplicating, in *this* scenario you are starting with the bars already turned into the turn and the bike leaned. At this point only throttle control is needed to control the bike. At full lock once you get the speed high enough the bike will stand up.
I can do a hard right turn from a stop, falling smoothly into it with that initial lean. Making a hard right without stopping, I don't have the steps. I don't go out of the lane but I proceed more gingerly than I expect I should.
Probably because you steer your bike like a car, and not like a bike. It is more like riding a horse. But you push the handle bar on a bike, instead of pull the reins of a horse the side you want to go.
And you don't have to do anymore. Then the bike will lean over a bit and take the turn easy. If you need to tighten the turn, push a bit more. The bike will instantly react. So don't do anything more or less, or you will f**k it up. Do nothing and relax, and let the bike do it's thing. It will be the easiest turn you ever made.
You have learned taking a turn, the hard way. That is why you still struggle.
Thanks i got a 3 hour ride back to vermont and i havent ever rode a motorcycle ive rode a dirt bike praying i dont become road kill😅😢
Allowing that your right foot is on the peg, leaning the bike slightly for a right turn would be difficult?
I wish there was a course besides MSF I could find that would do more individualized training.
You didn't learn the technique by watching this video. I like that. Practice Practice Practice.
Any tips for a tight right turn from a stop on an incline? My driveway has limited visibility, and not only is it not level, the street pavement is several inches higher than the driveway with a brief transition of a foot or so. Without the transition to the pavement, it's still on an incline, so with the motorcycle leaned to the right, it's a little tough to figure out the rear brake so I can throttle without being tipped too far. Being super new to riding, this adds some nervousness, and a couple times (part of the reason I wait for it to be clear both ways) I find myself swinging too wide and a bit into the oncoming lane. I want to cure that.
As of now, I have been approaching the end of the driveway at an angle so I can initiate the exit in a straight line, and then I have to turn in the road itself. For this specific scenario, I wish I had a better answer, but the next intersection from there is ... a right turn from a stop on an incline. It is absolutely a repeating scenario.
MC you have such a great voice for narration! I find shifting my butt off the seat in the opposite direction from the turn allows me to lock the steering and turn very sharp.
Kevin, I still struggle with the 2 points of difficulty. 1). Counter steering, and 2). Trail braking. I'm not getting how to do them, so, I ride in empty parking lots and hardly traveled roads. My friends laugh at me like I'm some sort of bungling idiot because I haven't "got it" yet. Doug🏍️
Take lessons. Even if it's a Basic Rider course. Hands on instruction/training will help in ways you can't even imagine. It's great that we have all of Kevin's informational videos to learn so much from, but a good instructor can see your mistakes/bad habits, in real time, & help correct them. Watching videos and practicing in a safe environment regularly keeps my skills sharp, but hands on training will take your skill & understanding to another level. Take some courses, don't be afraid to ask dumb questions, and become the best you can be. It's worth your life, isn't it?
They are the idiots and the morons. Why cant they show you what to do. Trail braking you can drop until you got the other tings down.
That is not friends, that is only stupid people you know about. Friends would have trained with you. They are only going to hold you back and down. Dump them.
Counter-Steering is only push on the side of the handlebar, you want to turn.
You are probably adding a lot of other steps. That is why it don't work.
trail braking, is only touching the break of your choice. Front, back, engine braking or all of them together. Try the last, after you have learn how it work. And most corners you just take in the slack of the brake lever. And the front brake is the easiest to learn. Because you have much more feeling in our hand, then your feet, through a big boot.
Engine braking is not reliable, because it brake different in all gears and RPM's, and if it is flat, up or down. it is just so much braking from engine braking.
So learn with the front brake first. And you can probably practice some emergency braking also. That is something everyone need to practice every day. It is just to do some hard braking. You should be able to lift the back wheel before you can go into traffic. Bet 50% cant brake hard enough.
Probably the reason they laugh at you‚ is they can't do it them self. And they see it as a wast of time. Until they need it. And they are going to the hospital or did not make it…