Additional tips: Periodically yell at your foe to go faster, that is to remind him he should play fast and efficiently instead of slowly. Lose your measuring tape? Carve one on your forearm as you are less likely to forget that at home. Eat some of your opponents minis while he isn't looking as that speeds things up, a sporting man would also eat his own. At first you may only be able to sneak in the occasional guardsmen or grot but real masters of their craft will devourer a whole stompa the moment their opponent is distracted. Bring regular cocaine for you and your opponent, it's cheap compared to meta chasing and will definitely shave off an hour or three of gameplay. Don't forget to shadow box during your opponent's turn, this is to keep you spry and energized.
The most frustrating player I ever played against was a knights player. Played against him twice and both times he took longer to complete his turn than any ork player I've ever played against. Was likely just trying to kill time so he could win by making us fed up and leaving
Jokes aside, the heavier you go, the simpler it gets. I started playing at the tail end of 9th as pure infantry guard, and it was nearly paralyzing to keep track of everything just because of the shear bulk of ordering, moving, and firing with an ass ton of Cadians. Then I switched to a narrower list, mostly tanks and some elite infantry like Kasrkin and Scions, and things got a lot smoother because I just had less numbers to deal with.
As a tournament player: 1) TALK to your opponent. This is a time saver. Although it is a tournament we collaborate. Talking about your intent and asking your opponent saves a lot of time. "I put my models 1" away from that ruins wall, is that ok?" Goes a long way helping your opponent to understandyour intention, prevents discussions (but this model is only 0,8" away from the ruin) and saves time measuring and fiddeling around. "I want to place my unit so you can not see me if you move over there" helps you to establish your intent, your opponent can premeasure and check Line of sight and helps you setting up your models (for example by placing dice indicating a border of visibility). This also helps you saving time as you dont have to run back and forth to check LOS and your opponent KNOWS he wont get LOS by moving in this way (saves a lot of time to both players and no bad situations of "oh but I actually see the tip of your sword over there" happen) Talking is extremely important in 40k. It is a social game. 2) Prepare your dice. This also saves time. I usually use 4 sets of 10 dice. So if a unit has 26 attacks, I pick up the red, the blue, and 6 of the white dice instead of counting them every time. 3) Premeasure in your opponents turn. If I want to take an objective, I can already measure the distance and decide if I have to advance next turn or not. I can already measure out line of sight on a focus target for my next movement phase, so I already know if I get enough units to shoot or if I need to adjust my plans. 4) Dont panic, depending on your army you will have some uneventful turns. With my Sisters for example, turn 1 and 2 most often is just moving in position for your "go turn" and collecting miracle dice to unload them later. So I probably get away with 20 mins for 2 turns, which leaves me around 80 minutes for the last 3 turns. Turn 5 is usually also pretty short as there are only a few key actions left that wil actually score you points. I dont need to roll out this melee combat in the corner when the outcome does not matter on the scoring sheet. 5) Learn your rules!
Also it's ok if your first and second turns are a bit slower as those are the information and action heavy turns. I totally agree with rule 1. COMMUNICATE!!!!! I generally hand my army cards over to my opponent so they don't have to ask me those questions. I have their army pulled up on a list builder and mines on the 40k app. Don't just rest during the other players turn. Actively plan for what your next moves will be in accordance to how his turn is shaking out.
You don't feel like part of the point of a tournament is to test their skill and prove your knowledge of tactics is superior? And then saying what your intent is and helping them avoid gotcha moments etc. would be giving them an advantage in a competition? I'm not saying that's how I play in games, I definitely agree we should be sharing information and I generally try to display to my opponent any options they have etc, but if I were in a tournament, it kinda seems against the point of proving your better, which is why I don't do them.
@@GeneralJerrard101 It is usually common courtesy shared by most players I played against in tournaments. We try to avoid "gotcha moments".You dont HAVE to go out of your way, but most competitive players do and it makes the game a lot more enjoyable. I also found that the tourney crowd in general is more pleasant to play against than a random pickup game. As you said, you want to win on merit of having better tactics and skill - not because you opponent forgot a rule. Reminding players about things like reaction moves (at least once) or special abilities (this model hits overwatch on a 2+) is usually done. As a personal observation: The reason why you dont need to remind a very good player about abilities most of the time is because he will ASK you every time "can this unit advance and charge? Does this have a rection move? What is their gun range? Can this unit heroic intervene? What are your defensive strats?"
@@GeneralJerrard101 no, not at all. How does it make somebody better to have "gotcha" moments? If you ever play competitive games you'll see that people almost exclusively play this way. It's a fair question to ask something like "if I place this here, is there any way at all your tank can move to shoot this?" It helps me not have to stop, open your book and read it mid game, to know if you have any advance and shoot stratagems or outlying situations.
@@redmaterferret1739 Personally my list is: 2 Stompas 2 Mek 1 Big Mek w/ Shokk 1 Ghazkull Start with 1 Mek and 1 other in each, storming the middle objective the other off to other obs. Mek jump out, smack the Stompas for all guns to hit on 4+ and heal d3 each turnA
My daughter and I regularly take well over 2hrs for a 1000 point match against each other. Far too much(or just the right amount of) chit chat. And that is just fine with me.
If it's not a tournament (3 hrs max) nothing wrong with just taking your time and having fun. When I play with friends we chat a lot and it's often 5-6 hours long. We drink a beer and have fun.
It's why I traded my Thousand Sons & Deathwatch for other armies. The psychic stuff sounded cool & the mixed units sounded cool but they both just become tedious on the tabletop. Likewise, the psychic phase was never engaging for my opponents (friends) and all to often they just zoned out, played on their phones or starting side conversations - at least during 8th - 9th edition (got rid of my T-Sons before 10th).
@@TheToxicP For me currently it's the combination of just not remembering rules and unit stats. Like if I have 10 rubrics with infernal master in a rhino i have to move it forward but first measure if they will have enough range to shoot when i disembark them but also if they will be in range of something like magnus' aura. And also making sure they're WhOlLy WitHin 3 IncHEs of the transport when disembarking. And then terrain and models get in the way of measuring as well so it's really painful
For me, the most important step in playing faster was sorting my dice. I always set up 2x20 dice, 20 red and 20 black in rows of 4x5. Need to take 18 shots? Grab three rows and 3 more dice from row four. It might sounds tedious to always rearrange them, but you can do it, while your opponent is making saves, or doing his phases, and you get a good feeling for picking up dices in 5-s, and get really fast at throwing. This helped me from playing a game for 3,5 hours to go under 3 hours by a lot (sometimes we can finish in 2,5 hours).
I've started trying to do this. How many dice is too many to roll all at once? My last game I opted to use different color dice for each weapon profile and felt it like too many to roll together.
@@vancetaylor9054 Depends on the size of your hand and the size of the dice :D Usually I would say, if you go past 20 by a lot, roll them in 10s, 15s, 20s (Like you have 54 dice to roll, roll 2x20 then 1x14). I use small dice, and I have a fairly large hand, so I can roll all 40 if needed. The different colors is also a good idea, but for something with more then 3 weapons (like a Repulsor Executioner) I would just go 1 by 1, since it takes more time explaining which color is which then actually just rolling :D
@@zoltanlukacs5059 Thank you! I usually run Tau so you can imagine my dice piles on some of the units. I grabbed some smaller dice so I can fit more in my hands. Last game was the first time I tried the multiple colors for different profiles mostly because I kept getting asked "Is this the same unit shooting" so many times.
One thing that speeds my games up I've noticed is the 40k app list builder. It has the option for a "game mode" where it takes you out of the list builder side and instead now when you click on units it shows their data sheet with only the weapon options and abilities relevant to your selections. Forget what a rule means? Just tap on it to see it instantly. If you scroll to the bottom of your army list you will also see all stratagems (core and detachment specific) your detachment rules and abilities for handy reference. Really handy for newer players or players like myself who get less reps in
It’s definitely a nice feature, just annoying that you need the codex codes to see anything. Or, if you uninstall the app and reinstall it, even signing in you lose everything
If you are using a codex use those coloured sticky note things to mark the pages that you are using. Or photo copy the pages and make a condensed version of what you need. Add notes so you don't have to remember the buffs your stratagems, army rules or characters do to a unit.
I'd argue (from experience) that plinking off those 2 wounds off of a C'tan or a Land Raider with Lasguns can be a matter of life and death more often than you might think
New player here with only 4-5 games with a friend. One of my issues is how many resources I have. Trying to remember my own stratagem AND the core stratagems hurts my brain.
New-ish player that's only been playing casual for about a year and change here. The bad news is that part really only gets better with repetition. The good news is it *does* get better. What helped me was making a small notebook/binder of my key strats and datasheets so that I'm not scrolling away on the app looking for everything. I hope this helps.
One thing that helps me is that I try to think of them all as tools I have. "I have something that gives me Precision, something that gives me rerolls, something that gives me advance and charge." The sparknotes version of each one is easy to remember. From there you only have to go pawing through the rules if you want to know exactly when something triggers or who it applies to.
What I've found to help is having coins or tokens next to models with abilities, as well as writing stratagems on flash cards. Also MTG spin down dice for command points
Rule 1, learn the stats of your units and weapons. Rule 2, when you have identified your opponents, normally mid match, try to remember and relay to help them out. Rule 3, be decisive, dont panic and sit in indecision, just act and get on with it.
I played against an ork player once who every time he rolled, he would browse his dice in his hand for a couple second, tell me what unit is shooting/fighting and which unit it's targeting, then browse some more, then tell me his special rule, browse some more, then tell me again who shoot/fight what again, browse even more, and some more, then throw his dice. Now time to look at the result and remind me of his special rules while doing so (sustained hit and what not). Then look again to make sure no mistake were made. Now onto the wound roll! Repeat first step with the incessant browsing and intent/rules reminding. Then step 2 with the wound roll result with more intent/rule reminding. we got to turn 2 after 4 hour. Never again.
Organize your dice. I keep mine in rows of 5 along the edge of my rolling tray. Makes collecting dice to roll incredibly quick, rather than having to dump out and fiddle with dice trying to count out 45 dice for my chainsword attacks.
In addition, I've found there's little point counting success vs failure, announcing it, and re-assembling the dice pool. In the few games I've played so far, I've noticed it's usually better to just remove the failures and reroll whatever's left. It's faster, easier, and doesn't impede accuracy at all. Certain keywords (notably lethals/sustained/devastating) can alter things a little, and taking your time during a cinematic moment is fun, but for general purpose volume of fire, it can cut roll times in half, especially when Xd6 damage or FNP gets involved.
I already talk out the final turns if it’s looking unlikely to get a victory. As it stands, I still take that 3-4 hours. There’s just a lot going on in these games and I don’t know a way to be faster without being rude and way more familiar with the rules as well (I only get to play monthly and it’s just a lot to keep on top of for me, particularly when it feels I have to relearn some portion that changed in the last month)
Being 'experienced' (having been playing since the eighties) isn't always an advantage for me, because I keep forgetting which way GW changed the rules this time around, especially since some of those changes last less than a week.
I've found that pre-sorting my dice into blocks of 10 has helped speed up my play. Mainly because I'm Dyslexic, and counting in my head in a pressured situation is painfully slow. Pre arranging my datacards so that they're in groups based on battlefied role is useful too.
Definitely recommend the cheat sheet. I have a piece of paper with: My turn phases and Enemy turn phases. I just use it as a checklist because I'm realistically only going to be using the same abilities/strategems or detachment rules every turn.
My son and I had a 9hr onslaught match yesterday, he’s 8 been learning GK for a yr and wanted to build/ start Salamanders. So we play with 1,500 pts my BA and his SM v 3k Nids. We had a 5 hr game 2 weeks ago with his GK, now with SM he’s trying to use abilities and strats so the learning and being reminded added 4 hrs.
Learn all of your units' important stats by heart. I've used my Vindicator in every game I've played for the past 10 months. By now I could recite its statline in my sleep. Toughness 11, 2+ save, Strength 14 main gun with D6+3 shots and D6 damage.
Yes! I do have trouble with the timer :D i printed a dice tower and dice trays! Honestly 4 x5 dice trays of 5 units (+ 1 added unit attached); having a boat load of preped dice helps
In my opinion, build a single solid multi-role army list. Memorize it, know every intriquit detail about it, and practice all sorts of different tactics. The most important thing about 10th Ed is your list and deployment. Sure, how you play is important as well, but a bad deployment or list will end your game faster than playing poorly
You see, I play guard...so I have a looooong shooting phase. If I rush, I make bad decisions, and I've had certain players try to rush me while I'm making important decisions. In my opinion, if you've got a fair reason, like an entire armies worth of shooting per turn, then it's fine. But if you're taking a long time for every phase, it's a bit annoying.
Honestly, this is my biggest challenge with Guard - tons of different guns on the same squad, which I need to read the stats for. Even if I know the intended targets for each one, all those shooting sequences add up. Same thing with their tanks, really, still remember that one time I tried out the baneblade over TTS - we had to go through target allocation with pen and paper, because both me and my opponent just blanked out at the end of the list twice :') The Order system also adds up to the problem, of course, there's always some hard decisions to make.
You could save some time by, for example, keeping pouches filled with 14 dice for the 14 lasguns in a squad of Cadians. In Rapid Fire range? No problem just roll two pouches.
GW's use of token models has helped a lot in some cases since 40k has a lot of units statuses which are otherwise not represented on the board (eg did this unit advance). Having extra tokens to represent additional information is also useful since it means that you and your opponent don't need to remember or ask each other what the current status of a particular unit is.
Another thing one might consider is to prepare groups of dice in separate containers ahead of time, with different colour dice for each weapon profile, if you have a lot of units with standardised loadouts.
Aye don't worry. I just played a 500 pt game a while ago and it took over 3 hrs lol. Ain't nothing wrong with that. It just takes time and experience. The goal isn't to be fast, it's to have fun!
One thing that can really impact the speed is the dice. Have them ready in piles of 5 so you dont have to count so much every time. Also it is good to have more then one set so you can roll different weapon profiles at the same time.
I bought the wife some movement trays for her Tyranids when we were playing escalation. Definitely recommend getting them if you play an infantry heavy army list, regardless of faction.
Playing my first ITC this weekend. Taking Grey Knights and a Freeblade Knight Castellan, hoping I have enough units to score points and enough fire power to keep them alive long enough to score, while having a simple profile. 2xStrikes, 2xPaladins, 3xDreadknights, GM Voldus, Chaplain, and a Knight Castellan is a really simple force for me to manage.😅
The biggest thing you missed here is the physucal management of dice. So much time can be lost in counting up how many dice you need to roll. Plus collecting dice off the table after each roll. Using 'downtime' like your opponents movement phase to organize the dice is a life saver. But the best tech is just asking your opponent to hand you all successful wound rolls yo bypass the need to count your save dice up at all.
my biggest advice for playing faster and playing in general is to read your armies data sheets. read your army and detachment rules and stratagems. then read your datasheets again, and read your rules again, learn what your things do and remember how every space marine is T4 unless fancy armor and generic little things like that.
"Can get a long way with moving the ends of a unit and filling in the rest." Only played a handful of times, but I do this all the time with my Tyranids. I'll usually take the four corners of my termagant blob and fill in the rest. It can get convoluted is when moving around terrain, but it's great for barrelling down a firing line. Edit: I love how much of the comments section is promoting dice management. I've only played three games so far, but I've found that proper dice management shaves so much time, it's second only to getting familiar with your army.
I used to pack a full A4 cheat sheet, which would contain final amount of dice for combos and the like. Now that I'm playing One Page Rules I just use the data-card view on their free army builder and the game is so elegant that it doesn't need much. 1 hour games for 2000pts with plenty of strategy to think about, especially depending on the mission types.
Concede meaningless rules is something I practice often, but I had a game stall for an hour because my opponent argued that after I charged a group of wardens with a dreadknight, and then charged a unit beside them with terminators he swore there were no rules that said he couldn't heroic intervention the wardens to counter-charge the terminators... and like "Units in engagement range are not elligible to perform any moves besides pile-in, fall-back, or consolidate" didn't seem to register, and he spent an hour trying to say he could charge out of my charge, if he did it before I did pile-in.
Another thing that helps is (tournament wize) is a judge thats well read on all the rules for each army. At events i run, there are plenty of players that try to call other players out thinking there cheating. If it wasnt for me reading up on every faction they tend to sit there and flip through the rule books and argue for an hour.
my biggest speed lesson in 10E has been from playing a variety of different armies. once you know what kinds of numbers and abilities are fairly standard you can shorthand stuff really easily and guessing conservatively that infantry move 5" or 6" and marines and terminators move 4-6" and such really cuts down on the amount of referencing you need to do even when playing with new (to me) datasheets
Roll first and look up / measure later when unsure. For example: I'm going to try a long bomb charge with no reroll and no other decision. Don't measure - just roll and if its under 7 then you failed and move on Another thing is weapon strength where you might be fuzzy on whether it will wound on a 3 or 4. Throw the die first and if it's a 1...it doesnt matter and you can look it up later.
My last three games took 3 hours (only got two turns done, but it was 2k points and the final round at the end of a day-long tournament), 7 hours (1k points crusade game, but was playing with a new player who needed a reasonable amount of help), and 3 hours (2k points, that one was also with a new player but it was Deathguard vs. Aeldari and the elves got run over by predators and other DG vehicles)
My table has a sidebar/counter/table on each side with a white board. plenty of room to have your army, and a place to write important things. helps new players
I play Knights and World eaters for this exact reason. I can simply skip phases of the game with them. World eaters just want to run across the table and get handsy, knights want to shoot you off the table easy peasy.
People can play 2k points in 3-4 hrs?! That's crazy! That's around 1000 pts for me lol. Remember, the goal is not to be fast, it's to have fun! As long as both you and your opponent(s) are having fun, there's no issue!❤
I often Play 2v2. There is a lot of parallel things possible. I shoot his guys and you shoots her Tanks. Then you could roll for both simultaneously. Additionally with 2v2 one can take a brake and the other will watch for you.
Constant changes to the rules and struggling to find what document or FAQ a particular rule changed in has been one of the biggest slowdowns for me in 10th. Its hard to check something quickly when you don't know what to trust.
I struggle with time (couple of hours for 1k, 5 hours for 1500) aside from practice (which cant really get much of aside from a game a month at most, i dont see much in this video that i either dont already do or would actually help me and not cause further issues. know your rules-comes with practice easy access rules-i have datacards prep squad- benefit of hosting i can have my army laid out ready to drop on my desk next to the table movement trays- not really an issue, only usually have 1 or 2 10 man squads, and they are not hard to move don't roll pointless dice: maybe plan in opponents turn- i can get the gist of a plan, but most usually has to be redone as some key part of that plan gets wiped out scorekeeping- i use the app, can actually take longer trying to keep tabs on what my opponent is doing than just for myself (what did they draw for secondaries, have they scored, have they used a strat and what was the cost (usually a biggie as there have be several points cp levels havent matched, usually from me missing a strat use)) chatting- could be better, but this meant to be social for me breaks in movement phase- not really an issue intent-falls apart when opponent is strict on things (and is the one trying to hurry things along to go home) choice of army- one reason went knights when first asked to go above 1k talking it out- do sometimes, though with the secret missions you kind of need to play to the end chess clock- too much added stress getting hurried along (and then others not liking being hurried along in return) in the past people have tried to time individual phases and hurry along if taking too long, but that falls apart with tau when the turn is the shooting phase and not a lot else overall i dont really see how i can speed up the game and keep it social, though part of me feels i have be doing too many 1500 games recently and need to drop back down to 1k to learn my new detachments and playstyles better
Not directly related, but the playing by intent and maybe not challenging minor calls thing reminded me of my most annoying store tournament from way way back in 5th edition. If I recall, back in 5th you moved and charged 6" instead of rolling. I had a unit I had hoped to charge with, but I measured it as 12.1" so I said out loud, I see that as 12.1" and outside charge range, so I will not move and my opponent agreed. Then during his turn he starts moving his guys in to base to base with me, and I'm like, whoa, what are you doing, it's outside charge range remember? He goes, nope, I measured it as 11.9"...I was winning handily at this point (like by 1500pts as scoring was based on wiped out unit points + a few 100pt bonus objectives), so I figured whatever, I'll let him get an extra 100pts. But what I didn't realize was that those point differentials were the tie breaker and I barely lost out to another player with the same undefeated record. Winner got $75 in store credit and I got $25 because that 1 guy didn't hold to intent and I didn't challenge it.
I really feel there is so much unnecessary stigma around playing with a clock. IMO it’s the best way to play 40K - especially if you are limited for time (at a tournament or at a FLGS with a hard stop). I think clock should be a basic 40K skill that you learn before heading to a tourney. It’s there to ensure that both players have control over whether they get 5 turns in. Which is important because a game played to t3/4 is an inherently different game than a 5 turn game. Clocks should never be a weapon and people should be reasonable but at the end of the day if you lose on a clock (in a comp setting) the only person to blame is yourself. You had the same amount of time as your opponent.
I pretty much play the same list, just different variations of it, almost every game. I usually don't have to look at my rules. Most of the time I only pull them up to show opponents. That said, I play blood angels. I have my list how I like it, now I'm just perfecting playing it. I will say that I seem to win more games when we aren't doing well in the meta.
Step one! Start with a horde faction with at least 150+ models, step two, bring a Lowe's bucket for your mass of dice, step three run a marathon around the table, step four power lift your models as you take the dead ones off the table, step five drown in vp! It's easy
Yeah, this is me. I can't remember all the stats by heart and I just have to keep looking them up. I'm trying the practice at home by myself, but I'm having trouble devoting the time. GW doesn't tell you how to get faster. And it keeps changing!
i play orks and when i run true greetide lists with 200+ models i need help moving them as in i usually have my cousin with me in that ill tell him whats going where and he starts moving models while im on the otherside of the table doing the same, and even with his help one movement phase alone can take 20+ minutes sometimes depending on shit like terrain and layout, when im alone its fucking brutal and i have a habit of starting to feel bad for taking so long and half assing things and making dumb mistakes because im trying to rush which sucks and makes the whole ordeal feel like work and thats not counting when shit gets complicated with units being partally within ruins or a crater/woods ect
oh also movement trays are fucking junk, they work for about 1 round then the moment you need to bend around another unit or terrain its useless, ontop of taking slightly longer to set up in the first place over just ploping orks on the table, useful movement trays currently do not exist, they need to somehow be both rigid and flexable as well as have the ability to remove spots not just models, you'd think magnets would be the trick here but ive never seen them implemented in a way that actually helps plus nobody knows how they work
just played a game with a friend i had 2 bolter shot to make to his predator , i was like it's not going to do anything i might as well not roll it . But i still did it quickly and out of dumb luck one of the 2 shot managed to wound his tank , sadly it was the only dmg his tank took in the first 3 turn 😢
My lovely Girlfriend and I have an easy system.... we casually build up the playfield and our armies at night, start playing after meal the next day and go as fast or slow as we please (like one battle round or two) ....😅
If GW wouldn't keep changing what all my rules mean (guard) maybe I'd be able to have memorized some stuff by now (It's took 3 hours to get to turn 3 twice now when playing guard v Orks)
The rules really need to be streamlined to make special rules easier to interpret. "Assault"? no. "Move and Shoot". Make the rule name describe what it does. Stuff like this is kind of a no brainer that has no impact on game balance other than making it easier for new players to quickly understand what things do.
I would be wary of picking up models without asking before hand. Some folks come to games to roll dice, local ork player here is one such player. Loves his mismatched dice and likes to roll a lot of them, normally ends up rolling them in batches but it never seems arduous. He ended up playing against a newer player at our FLGS that didn't know this and ended up never having him roll his dice, the ork player would charge a unit into some space marines and the other player would just pick them up, no rolling. Ended up being a boring game for the ork guy and I've yet to see them play together again. Yeah 20 boyz are going to wipe a sm squad most of the time but at least let him roll the power klaw and the characters. Back in 8th & 9th when a unit fought they got a lot of extra movement and could chain to other units relatively easily in some cases so getting into melee was important. One game in particular stands out as particularly bad. Was playing BA into Ultramarines and my opponent would move up a hellblaster squad to wipe out one of my objective holders with a captain behind them to give re-rolls. I'd then position an assault squad to counter-charge the unit and pile-in to the character behind them, but when I would go to shoot something like 3 bolt pistols and 2 flamers into the squad he'd say, "Oh you got them and pick them up". I would have to tell him no I need to roll this because I need some of them to survive so I can charge them. He'd argue that I shouldn't shoot them if I didn't want to destroy them knowing full well that I would need the chip damage from the shooting to wipe the squad in melee. So not a fun experience. Ask before you just pick up a unit. In a similar vein though don't force someone to watch you roll dice if it isn't actually important to you. Had a game recently against tau where a guy deepstruck a unit behind a character and was about to shoot 10 missile pods into him so clearly dead and the game was getting close to the 4 hour mark and it was already a chore playing against this guy so I just wanted it over with. Goes on to say, "Nah, man he might survive he's getting cover." I said it was fine and that it didn't affect anything else but he insisted and ended up using some stratagem for re-rolls and ignoring cover with a markerlight, "Cause you gotta be sure". Low and behold my character died and it was just another 5 minutes stuck playing with this dude. This was the kind of guy that just wants to destroy the opponents army instead of playing the game which ironically I won despite almost getting tabled. Just be careful about it and make sure both parties are having fun.
Not obvious, but play dwarves They are slow, but not all. Bikes can pretty much alpha strike, also vehicles are pretty fast On a second turn, you drop hearthguard, they can kill at least one unit in range(if you play against gsc or something similar , than even a couple)and if they make it to melee (they have a high chance, because champion gives them charge rerols) From your detachment you can mark 2 enemy units for every 1000 pts, they get 2 judgment tokens, which means +1 to hit and wound for the whole army. Depending on how fast you kill at least one marked unit, you get cp, from 3 to 1. Rarely you can’t kill the unit(if you chose correctly) later than 2 turn, and that means 3 cp. These cp will also allow a great damage dealing potential: +ap in melee Sustained hits in range (if target has 2 tokens, than it’s sustained 2) Return fire Rarely I can’t bulldoze my opponent before turn 3 or even 2(that happened, when I was battling knights)
Easiest way to play a faster game is to play with less points. Another way to play faster is to have consistent loadouts. If you have 3 Cadian squads have the same loadut for each squad. For hordes like Tyranids Unending swarm you could go for all fleshborer loadout on your Termagants and skip the special weapons for quicker play.
When I have units with multi weapon loadouts, I get the number of dice ready and put them to one side (sometimes on their datacard) whilst it's the opponents turn. I find it works pretty well
Best way to finish a game under 3h? Dont play against Tau! It takes forever to complete their shooting on turn 1 and 2. SM are also pretty slow if they have a lot of tank and dreadnought with multiple weapons with various profiles unless the player knows them all by heart.
Additional tips:
Periodically yell at your foe to go faster, that is to remind him he should play fast and efficiently instead of slowly.
Lose your measuring tape? Carve one on your forearm as you are less likely to forget that at home.
Eat some of your opponents minis while he isn't looking as that speeds things up, a sporting man would also eat his own. At first you may only be able to sneak in the occasional guardsmen or grot but real masters of their craft will devourer a whole stompa the moment their opponent is distracted.
Bring regular cocaine for you and your opponent, it's cheap compared to meta chasing and will definitely shave off an hour or three of gameplay.
Don't forget to shadow box during your opponent's turn, this is to keep you spry and energized.
This guy fucks
Shadow box and push-ups. Go crazy, I don't have any defense stratagems
Coked up warhammer could be quite a fun thing to watch honestly
@@AshleyBlackwater really? Personally I think it would just be the same but with more awkward yelling and scratching necks
@@hunterkinsella5303 Nah, I wanna see two methheads nids vs gaurd moving all those models around
The fastest way to play is to have no tactics and just move stuff. Your opponent can't plan against your plan if you don't have any plan 🤔
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That sounds like a good plan
Stop stealing my plan!
Me when I play a full Tank list, no thoughts, just drive forward and shoot.
Yo its Paul
Step 1: Play knights.
Not me. I spam daemon battleline and wardogs.
Lol, Custodes isn't much worse
The most frustrating player I ever played against was a knights player. Played against him twice and both times he took longer to complete his turn than any ork player I've ever played against. Was likely just trying to kill time so he could win by making us fed up and leaving
Quickest turns ever. Before Vehicle defense boosts in 10th, I recall my Repulsor Executioner getting one-shot lmao.
Jokes aside, the heavier you go, the simpler it gets. I started playing at the tail end of 9th as pure infantry guard, and it was nearly paralyzing to keep track of everything just because of the shear bulk of ordering, moving, and firing with an ass ton of Cadians. Then I switched to a narrower list, mostly tanks and some elite infantry like Kasrkin and Scions, and things got a lot smoother because I just had less numbers to deal with.
As a tournament player:
1) TALK to your opponent. This is a time saver. Although it is a tournament we collaborate. Talking about your intent and asking your opponent saves a lot of time. "I put my models 1" away from that ruins wall, is that ok?" Goes a long way helping your opponent to understandyour intention, prevents discussions (but this model is only 0,8" away from the ruin) and saves time measuring and fiddeling around.
"I want to place my unit so you can not see me if you move over there" helps you to establish your intent, your opponent can premeasure and check Line of sight and helps you setting up your models (for example by placing dice indicating a border of visibility). This also helps you saving time as you dont have to run back and forth to check LOS and your opponent KNOWS he wont get LOS by moving in this way (saves a lot of time to both players and no bad situations of "oh but I actually see the tip of your sword over there" happen)
Talking is extremely important in 40k. It is a social game.
2) Prepare your dice. This also saves time. I usually use 4 sets of 10 dice. So if a unit has 26 attacks, I pick up the red, the blue, and 6 of the white dice instead of counting them every time.
3) Premeasure in your opponents turn. If I want to take an objective, I can already measure the distance and decide if I have to advance next turn or not. I can already measure out line of sight on a focus target for my next movement phase, so I already know if I get enough units to shoot or if I need to adjust my plans.
4) Dont panic, depending on your army you will have some uneventful turns. With my Sisters for example, turn 1 and 2 most often is just moving in position for your "go turn" and collecting miracle dice to unload them later. So I probably get away with 20 mins for 2 turns, which leaves me around 80 minutes for the last 3 turns. Turn 5 is usually also pretty short as there are only a few key actions left that wil actually score you points. I dont need to roll out this melee combat in the corner when the outcome does not matter on the scoring sheet.
5) Learn your rules!
Also it's ok if your first and second turns are a bit slower as those are the information and action heavy turns.
I totally agree with rule 1. COMMUNICATE!!!!!
I generally hand my army cards over to my opponent so they don't have to ask me those questions. I have their army pulled up on a list builder and mines on the 40k app.
Don't just rest during the other players turn. Actively plan for what your next moves will be in accordance to how his turn is shaking out.
You don't feel like part of the point of a tournament is to test their skill and prove your knowledge of tactics is superior? And then saying what your intent is and helping them avoid gotcha moments etc. would be giving them an advantage in a competition?
I'm not saying that's how I play in games, I definitely agree we should be sharing information and I generally try to display to my opponent any options they have etc, but if I were in a tournament, it kinda seems against the point of proving your better, which is why I don't do them.
Thanks for the tips, I'm new to playing and really appreciate this!
@@GeneralJerrard101 It is usually common courtesy shared by most players I played against in tournaments. We try to avoid "gotcha moments".You dont HAVE to go out of your way, but most competitive players do and it makes the game a lot more enjoyable.
I also found that the tourney crowd in general is more pleasant to play against than a random pickup game.
As you said, you want to win on merit of having better tactics and skill - not because you opponent forgot a rule.
Reminding players about things like reaction moves (at least once) or special abilities (this model hits overwatch on a 2+) is usually done. As a personal observation: The reason why you dont need to remind a very good player about abilities most of the time is because he will ASK you every time "can this unit advance and charge? Does this have a rection move? What is their gun range? Can this unit heroic intervene? What are your defensive strats?"
@@GeneralJerrard101 no, not at all. How does it make somebody better to have "gotcha" moments?
If you ever play competitive games you'll see that people almost exclusively play this way. It's a fair question to ask something like "if I place this here, is there any way at all your tank can move to shoot this?"
It helps me not have to stop, open your book and read it mid game, to know if you have any advance and shoot stratagems or outlying situations.
Play 2 Stompas.
Ive never had a game go past Round 3.
Either my army is dead or theirs is
I tried that my army didn't make it past first turn
@@redmaterferret1739
Personally my list is:
2 Stompas
2 Mek
1 Big Mek w/ Shokk
1 Ghazkull
Start with 1 Mek and 1 other in each, storming the middle objective the other off to other obs.
Mek jump out, smack the Stompas for all guns to hit on 4+ and heal d3 each turnA
Based
At least you get a firm conclusion to your games, lol. Mine don't get passed round 3 too, but usually because the store closes before we finish 😂
My daughter and I regularly take well over 2hrs for a 1000 point match against each other. Far too much(or just the right amount of) chit chat. And that is just fine with me.
That is both 'game' and 'quality time with your kid'. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
If it's not a tournament (3 hrs max) nothing wrong with just taking your time and having fun. When I play with friends we chat a lot and it's often 5-6 hours long. We drink a beer and have fun.
2 hours isnt bad for a game
That’s perfectly fine, she will remember the time more than the game. Chit chat I hances the experiences.
it's awesome you play with your kids, sounds like fun! it's about the time anyways, who cares how fast if youre having fun
As a thousand sons player who plays like 2 games per year it takes around 45 minutes for the first movement phase.
Do you run all of the sons in the same list?
It's why I traded my Thousand Sons & Deathwatch for other armies. The psychic stuff sounded cool & the mixed units sounded cool but they both just become tedious on the tabletop. Likewise, the psychic phase was never engaging for my opponents (friends) and all to often they just zoned out, played on their phones or starting side conversations - at least during 8th - 9th edition (got rid of my T-Sons before 10th).
@@TheToxicP For me currently it's the combination of just not remembering rules and unit stats. Like if I have 10 rubrics with infernal master in a rhino i have to move it forward but first measure if they will have enough range to shoot when i disembark them but also if they will be in range of something like magnus' aura. And also making sure they're WhOlLy WitHin 3 IncHEs of the transport when disembarking. And then terrain and models get in the way of measuring as well so it's really painful
@@AbraGamingthat happens when you don't play the game, yes
@@jacket2848 Even when you do, measuring movement, shooting and disembarking takes a while if you're playing one of these armies
For me, the most important step in playing faster was sorting my dice. I always set up 2x20 dice, 20 red and 20 black in rows of 4x5.
Need to take 18 shots? Grab three rows and 3 more dice from row four.
It might sounds tedious to always rearrange them, but you can do it, while your opponent is making saves, or doing his phases, and you get a good feeling for picking up dices in 5-s, and get really fast at throwing.
This helped me from playing a game for 3,5 hours to go under 3 hours by a lot (sometimes we can finish in 2,5 hours).
I've started trying to do this. How many dice is too many to roll all at once? My last game I opted to use different color dice for each weapon profile and felt it like too many to roll together.
@@vancetaylor9054 Depends on the size of your hand and the size of the dice :D
Usually I would say, if you go past 20 by a lot, roll them in 10s, 15s, 20s (Like you have 54 dice to roll, roll 2x20 then 1x14). I use small dice, and I have a fairly large hand, so I can roll all 40 if needed. The different colors is also a good idea, but for something with more then 3 weapons (like a Repulsor Executioner) I would just go 1 by 1, since it takes more time explaining which color is which then actually just rolling :D
@@zoltanlukacs5059 Thank you! I usually run Tau so you can imagine my dice piles on some of the units. I grabbed some smaller dice so I can fit more in my hands. Last game was the first time I tried the multiple colors for different profiles mostly because I kept getting asked "Is this the same unit shooting" so many times.
One thing that speeds my games up I've noticed is the 40k app list builder. It has the option for a "game mode" where it takes you out of the list builder side and instead now when you click on units it shows their data sheet with only the weapon options and abilities relevant to your selections. Forget what a rule means? Just tap on it to see it instantly. If you scroll to the bottom of your army list you will also see all stratagems (core and detachment specific) your detachment rules and abilities for handy reference. Really handy for newer players or players like myself who get less reps in
Weirdly enough, I don't think the "Command Bunker" shows enhancements 😮💨
It’s definitely a nice feature, just annoying that you need the codex codes to see anything.
Or, if you uninstall the app and reinstall it, even signing in you lose everything
@@Ghislain82 it does. They are in the section right after units before stratagems
@brianp6859 Oh wow, I missed that. Still would be nice if it showed up under the unit that has the enhancement
@@CMTechnicaI still feel rules should be free and digital. This double pay wall to get digital rules is ridiculous
One thing that really helps with die rolling is having them grouped up into groups of five. Makes counting dice and rolling much quicker.
This is good chat
If you are using a codex use those coloured sticky note things to mark the pages that you are using. Or photo copy the pages and make a condensed version of what you need. Add notes so you don't have to remember the buffs your stratagems, army rules or characters do to a unit.
‘Don’t roll pointless dice’ is spot-on!
I'd argue (from experience) that plinking off those 2 wounds off of a C'tan or a Land Raider with Lasguns can be a matter of life and death more often than you might think
New player here with only 4-5 games with a friend. One of my issues is how many resources I have. Trying to remember my own stratagem AND the core stratagems hurts my brain.
New-ish player that's only been playing casual for about a year and change here. The bad news is that part really only gets better with repetition. The good news is it *does* get better. What helped me was making a small notebook/binder of my key strats and datasheets so that I'm not scrolling away on the app looking for everything. I hope this helps.
One thing that helps me is that I try to think of them all as tools I have. "I have something that gives me Precision, something that gives me rerolls, something that gives me advance and charge." The sparknotes version of each one is easy to remember. From there you only have to go pawing through the rules if you want to know exactly when something triggers or who it applies to.
Use the command bunker function in the official app. For real, it's excellent.
First thing I do in a new edition is print off some good cheat sheets. Core strategems is a great sheet to have around the table
What I've found to help is having coins or tokens next to models with abilities, as well as writing stratagems on flash cards. Also MTG spin down dice for command points
Rule 1, learn the stats of your units and weapons.
Rule 2, when you have identified your opponents, normally mid match, try to remember and relay to help them out.
Rule 3, be decisive, dont panic and sit in indecision, just act and get on with it.
I played against an ork player once who every time he rolled, he would browse his dice in his hand for a couple second, tell me what unit is shooting/fighting and which unit it's targeting, then browse some more, then tell me his special rule, browse some more, then tell me again who shoot/fight what again, browse even more, and some more, then throw his dice.
Now time to look at the result and remind me of his special rules while doing so (sustained hit and what not). Then look again to make sure no mistake were made.
Now onto the wound roll! Repeat first step with the incessant browsing and intent/rules reminding. Then step 2 with the wound roll result with more intent/rule reminding.
we got to turn 2 after 4 hour.
Never again.
Organize your dice. I keep mine in rows of 5 along the edge of my rolling tray. Makes collecting dice to roll incredibly quick, rather than having to dump out and fiddle with dice trying to count out 45 dice for my chainsword attacks.
In addition, I've found there's little point counting success vs failure, announcing it, and re-assembling the dice pool. In the few games I've played so far, I've noticed it's usually better to just remove the failures and reroll whatever's left. It's faster, easier, and doesn't impede accuracy at all. Certain keywords (notably lethals/sustained/devastating) can alter things a little, and taking your time during a cinematic moment is fun, but for general purpose volume of fire, it can cut roll times in half, especially when Xd6 damage or FNP gets involved.
I already talk out the final turns if it’s looking unlikely to get a victory.
As it stands, I still take that 3-4 hours. There’s just a lot going on in these games and I don’t know a way to be faster without being rude and way more familiar with the rules as well (I only get to play monthly and it’s just a lot to keep on top of for me, particularly when it feels I have to relearn some portion that changed in the last month)
Being 'experienced' (having been playing since the eighties) isn't always an advantage for me, because I keep forgetting which way GW changed the rules this time around, especially since some of those changes last less than a week.
I've found that pre-sorting my dice into blocks of 10 has helped speed up my play. Mainly because I'm Dyslexic, and counting in my head in a pressured situation is painfully slow.
Pre arranging my datacards so that they're in groups based on battlefied role is useful too.
we all strugle to finish some times
Others struggle to even start
@@Bumbaclart247all these rule changes are causing me E.D., Errata disfunction
@@Bumbaclart247 *Horde army flashbacks...*
That’s what she said
@@alexrazo5392you beat me to it!!
Definitely recommend the cheat sheet.
I have a piece of paper with: My turn phases and Enemy turn phases.
I just use it as a checklist because I'm realistically only going to be using the same abilities/strategems or detachment rules every turn.
My son and I had a 9hr onslaught match yesterday, he’s 8 been learning GK for a yr and wanted to build/ start Salamanders. So we play with 1,500 pts my BA and his SM v 3k Nids. We had a 5 hr game 2 weeks ago with his GK, now with SM he’s trying to use abilities and strats so the learning and being reminded added 4 hrs.
Learn all of your units' important stats by heart. I've used my Vindicator in every game I've played for the past 10 months. By now I could recite its statline in my sleep. Toughness 11, 2+ save, Strength 14 main gun with D6+3 shots and D6 damage.
Misread it as Vindicare at first, was like "Damn, Officio Assasinorum doesn't fuck around with their super-soldiers"
This is really important with the new agents. So many different units with unique loadouts. Resolving rolls will take time.
Aside from knowing the rules of your own army, so SO much of this is just solved by your opponent being cool.
Yes! I do have trouble with the timer :D i printed a dice tower and dice trays! Honestly 4 x5 dice trays of 5 units (+ 1 added unit attached); having a boat load of preped dice helps
In my opinion, build a single solid multi-role army list. Memorize it, know every intriquit detail about it, and practice all sorts of different tactics. The most important thing about 10th Ed is your list and deployment. Sure, how you play is important as well, but a bad deployment or list will end your game faster than playing poorly
You see, I play guard...so I have a looooong shooting phase.
If I rush, I make bad decisions, and I've had certain players try to rush me while I'm making important decisions. In my opinion, if you've got a fair reason, like an entire armies worth of shooting per turn, then it's fine. But if you're taking a long time for every phase, it's a bit annoying.
Tbf though the time you take in the shooting phase cancels out in the shorter fight phase etc, mostly.
Honestly, this is my biggest challenge with Guard - tons of different guns on the same squad, which I need to read the stats for. Even if I know the intended targets for each one, all those shooting sequences add up. Same thing with their tanks, really, still remember that one time I tried out the baneblade over TTS - we had to go through target allocation with pen and paper, because both me and my opponent just blanked out at the end of the list twice :')
The Order system also adds up to the problem, of course, there's always some hard decisions to make.
You could save some time by, for example, keeping pouches filled with 14 dice for the 14 lasguns in a squad of Cadians. In Rapid Fire range? No problem just roll two pouches.
@@purple_lacertatonnes of different guns? Laguns, plasma and melta is 3 guns 😂
Easiest way - refuse to play against that horde Black Templar army Auspex highlighted last week…
Remembering your units stats and rules helps. Flipping through a codex, rule book, or app eats up a lot of time.
GW's use of token models has helped a lot in some cases since 40k has a lot of units statuses which are otherwise not represented on the board (eg did this unit advance). Having extra tokens to represent additional information is also useful since it means that you and your opponent don't need to remember or ask each other what the current status of a particular unit is.
Another thing one might consider is to prepare groups of dice in separate containers ahead of time, with different colour dice for each weapon profile, if you have a lot of units with standardised loadouts.
My first ever game was 500pts, and it took us 2-3 hours 😭 I felt so bad but I couldn’t help it!!
Aye don't worry. I just played a 500 pt game a while ago and it took over 3 hrs lol. Ain't nothing wrong with that. It just takes time and experience. The goal isn't to be fast, it's to have fun!
My favorite game I've ever played took 8 hours 😂 it was only a 2k game that we call it quits at the end of T2
A cheat sheet with unit move characteristics, saves and toughness for each of my units really helps
Step 1: know the rules.
And dont spent 60% of the time flipping through the books to reread everything.
We like to measure charges before moving the model. figure out the charge distance before they move. makes it harder to fudge the movement.
One thing that can really impact the speed is the dice. Have them ready in piles of 5 so you dont have to count so much every time. Also it is good to have more then one set so you can roll different weapon profiles at the same time.
love this kind of your videos!
I bought the wife some movement trays for her Tyranids when we were playing escalation. Definitely recommend getting them if you play an infantry heavy army list, regardless of faction.
Playing my first ITC this weekend. Taking Grey Knights and a Freeblade Knight Castellan, hoping I have enough units to score points and enough fire power to keep them alive long enough to score, while having a simple profile.
2xStrikes, 2xPaladins, 3xDreadknights, GM Voldus, Chaplain, and a Knight Castellan is a really simple force for me to manage.😅
Knowing your army, and being able to make decisions are key.
The biggest thing you missed here is the physucal management of dice. So much time can be lost in counting up how many dice you need to roll. Plus collecting dice off the table after each roll.
Using 'downtime' like your opponents movement phase to organize the dice is a life saver. But the best tech is just asking your opponent to hand you all successful wound rolls yo bypass the need to count your save dice up at all.
Movement trays❤ also fantastic. Also put magnets in them, so its also good for organising
I've always struggle with long turns with my Thousand Sons in tournaments. I've specifically built up a chaos knight army to try and fix this problem!
my biggest advice for playing faster and playing in general is to read your armies data sheets. read your army and detachment rules and stratagems. then read your datasheets again, and read your rules again, learn what your things do and remember how every space marine is T4 unless fancy armor and generic little things like that.
"Can get a long way with moving the ends of a unit and filling in the rest." Only played a handful of times, but I do this all the time with my Tyranids. I'll usually take the four corners of my termagant blob and fill in the rest. It can get convoluted is when moving around terrain, but it's great for barrelling down a firing line.
Edit: I love how much of the comments section is promoting dice management. I've only played three games so far, but I've found that proper dice management shaves so much time, it's second only to getting familiar with your army.
I used to pack a full A4 cheat sheet, which would contain final amount of dice for combos and the like. Now that I'm playing One Page Rules I just use the data-card view on their free army builder and the game is so elegant that it doesn't need much. 1 hour games for 2000pts with plenty of strategy to think about, especially depending on the mission types.
Concede meaningless rules is something I practice often, but I had a game stall for an hour because my opponent argued that after I charged a group of wardens with a dreadknight, and then charged a unit beside them with terminators he swore there were no rules that said he couldn't heroic intervention the wardens to counter-charge the terminators... and like "Units in engagement range are not elligible to perform any moves besides pile-in, fall-back, or consolidate" didn't seem to register, and he spent an hour trying to say he could charge out of my charge, if he did it before I did pile-in.
went to my first casual event the day this video came out! I'll know for next time
Another thing that helps is (tournament wize) is a judge thats well read on all the rules for each army. At events i run, there are plenty of players that try to call other players out thinking there cheating. If it wasnt for me reading up on every faction they tend to sit there and flip through the rule books and argue for an hour.
my biggest speed lesson in 10E has been from playing a variety of different armies. once you know what kinds of numbers and abilities are fairly standard you can shorthand stuff really easily and guessing conservatively that infantry move 5" or 6" and marines and terminators move 4-6" and such really cuts down on the amount of referencing you need to do even when playing with new (to me) datasheets
Roll first and look up / measure later when unsure. For example: I'm going to try a long bomb charge with no reroll and no other decision. Don't measure - just roll and if its under 7 then you failed and move on
Another thing is weapon strength where you might be fuzzy on whether it will wound on a 3 or 4. Throw the die first and if it's a 1...it doesnt matter and you can look it up later.
My last three games took 3 hours (only got two turns done, but it was 2k points and the final round at the end of a day-long tournament), 7 hours (1k points crusade game, but was playing with a new player who needed a reasonable amount of help), and 3 hours (2k points, that one was also with a new player but it was Deathguard vs. Aeldari and the elves got run over by predators and other DG vehicles)
My table has a sidebar/counter/table on each side with a white board. plenty of room to have your army, and a place to write important things. helps new players
Totally feel you here and agree with everything you say 😀
I'd say just do as Auspex says and revise, refresh. Turn up with a semi coherent plan and idea of how you'll move the units and how you'll play.
I play Knights and World eaters for this exact reason. I can simply skip phases of the game with them. World eaters just want to run across the table and get handsy, knights want to shoot you off the table easy peasy.
Didn't know the app, it's amazing, thx a lot 😍
that's a beautiful normal distribution on those results
People can play 2k points in 3-4 hrs?! That's crazy! That's around 1000 pts for me lol. Remember, the goal is not to be fast, it's to have fun! As long as both you and your opponent(s) are having fun, there's no issue!❤
I often Play 2v2. There is a lot of parallel things possible. I shoot his guys and you shoots her Tanks. Then you could roll for both simultaneously. Additionally with 2v2 one can take a brake and the other will watch for you.
Good subject and good coverage
I print out a stat sheet that has all of my units stat lines and weapons on one page. Really speeds things up when every lookup is on one page
Thank you, I needed this so bad😂
Never have a problem unless an opponent is intentionally slow playing, which doesn't happen very often.
Constant changes to the rules and struggling to find what document or FAQ a particular rule changed in has been one of the biggest slowdowns for me in 10th. Its hard to check something quickly when you don't know what to trust.
I struggle with time (couple of hours for 1k, 5 hours for 1500)
aside from practice (which cant really get much of aside from a game a month at most, i dont see much in this video that i either dont already do or would actually help me and not cause further issues.
know your rules-comes with practice
easy access rules-i have datacards
prep squad- benefit of hosting i can have my army laid out ready to drop on my desk next to the table
movement trays- not really an issue, only usually have 1 or 2 10 man squads, and they are not hard to move
don't roll pointless dice: maybe
plan in opponents turn- i can get the gist of a plan, but most usually has to be redone as some key part of that plan gets wiped out
scorekeeping- i use the app, can actually take longer trying to keep tabs on what my opponent is doing than just for myself (what did they draw for secondaries, have they scored, have they used a strat and what was the cost (usually a biggie as there have be several points cp levels havent matched, usually from me missing a strat use))
chatting- could be better, but this meant to be social for me
breaks in movement phase- not really an issue
intent-falls apart when opponent is strict on things (and is the one trying to hurry things along to go home)
choice of army- one reason went knights when first asked to go above 1k
talking it out- do sometimes, though with the secret missions you kind of need to play to the end
chess clock- too much added stress getting hurried along (and then others not liking being hurried along in return) in the past people have tried to time individual phases and hurry along if taking too long, but that falls apart with tau when the turn is the shooting phase and not a lot else
overall i dont really see how i can speed up the game and keep it social, though part of me feels i have be doing too many 1500 games recently and need to drop back down to 1k to learn my new detachments and playstyles better
Good Vid homi. I'm gonna send this to all my slow friends.
Not directly related, but the playing by intent and maybe not challenging minor calls thing reminded me of my most annoying store tournament from way way back in 5th edition. If I recall, back in 5th you moved and charged 6" instead of rolling. I had a unit I had hoped to charge with, but I measured it as 12.1" so I said out loud, I see that as 12.1" and outside charge range, so I will not move and my opponent agreed. Then during his turn he starts moving his guys in to base to base with me, and I'm like, whoa, what are you doing, it's outside charge range remember? He goes, nope, I measured it as 11.9"...I was winning handily at this point (like by 1500pts as scoring was based on wiped out unit points + a few 100pt bonus objectives), so I figured whatever, I'll let him get an extra 100pts. But what I didn't realize was that those point differentials were the tie breaker and I barely lost out to another player with the same undefeated record. Winner got $75 in store credit and I got $25 because that 1 guy didn't hold to intent and I didn't challenge it.
We used to play in a pub. That's probably the slower games I've had, gotta take the time to get a round in!
Best games, but 3hrs+ for 1k games.
Shooting phase under 30 min for any Tau player level: Impossible
this is awesome was just looking at this sort of stuff ealier,
started a scratch match after a month away and started at 1500 ended at 1840
Helpful video!
I feel called out, but you're right
As a tau player, I only roll melee combat once in a blue moon
In 9th edition it took me over an hour to complete the psychic stage for thousand sons.
I really feel there is so much unnecessary stigma around playing with a clock. IMO it’s the best way to play 40K - especially if you are limited for time (at a tournament or at a FLGS with a hard stop).
I think clock should be a basic 40K skill that you learn before heading to a tourney.
It’s there to ensure that both players have control over whether they get 5 turns in. Which is important because a game played to t3/4 is an inherently different game than a 5 turn game.
Clocks should never be a weapon and people should be reasonable but at the end of the day if you lose on a clock (in a comp setting) the only person to blame is yourself. You had the same amount of time as your opponent.
I sped this video up so i could experience it faster
I pretty much play the same list, just different variations of it, almost every game.
I usually don't have to look at my rules. Most of the time I only pull them up to show opponents.
That said, I play blood angels. I have my list how I like it, now I'm just perfecting playing it. I will say that I seem to win more games when we aren't doing well in the meta.
Also, to play faster, I just eliminate 95% of my enemies army by or on either turn 2 or 3.
Just roll each other dice for saves. Keep dice on each side of the table
Step one! Start with a horde faction with at least 150+ models, step two, bring a Lowe's bucket for your mass of dice, step three run a marathon around the table, step four power lift your models as you take the dead ones off the table, step five drown in vp! It's easy
Yeah, this is me. I can't remember all the stats by heart and I just have to keep looking them up. I'm trying the practice at home by myself, but I'm having trouble devoting the time. GW doesn't tell you how to get faster. And it keeps changing!
i play orks and when i run true greetide lists with 200+ models i need help moving them as in i usually have my cousin with me in that ill tell him whats going where and he starts moving models while im on the otherside of the table doing the same, and even with his help one movement phase alone can take 20+ minutes sometimes depending on shit like terrain and layout, when im alone its fucking brutal and i have a habit of starting to feel bad for taking so long and half assing things and making dumb mistakes because im trying to rush which sucks and makes the whole ordeal feel like work and thats not counting when shit gets complicated with units being partally within ruins or a crater/woods ect
oh also movement trays are fucking junk, they work for about 1 round then the moment you need to bend around another unit or terrain its useless, ontop of taking slightly longer to set up in the first place over just ploping orks on the table, useful movement trays currently do not exist, they need to somehow be both rigid and flexable as well as have the ability to remove spots not just models, you'd think magnets would be the trick here but ive never seen them implemented in a way that actually helps plus nobody knows how they work
just played a game with a friend i had 2 bolter shot to make to his predator , i was like it's not going to do anything i might as well not roll it . But i still did it quickly and out of dumb luck one of the 2 shot managed to wound his tank , sadly it was the only dmg his tank took in the first 3 turn 😢
My lovely Girlfriend and I have an easy system.... we casually build up the playfield and our armies at night, start playing after meal the next day and go as fast or slow as we please (like one battle round or two) ....😅
I'm a tabled% speedrunner.
Still haven’t played a match and that phrase doesn’t make me want too lol 💀 sticking to killteam
If GW wouldn't keep changing what all my rules mean (guard) maybe I'd be able to have memorized some stuff by now
(It's took 3 hours to get to turn 3 twice now when playing guard v Orks)
How to make fun feel like work.
just know the stats of your units. It goes fast if you're not checking toughness and strengths every roll.
The rules really need to be streamlined to make special rules easier to interpret. "Assault"? no. "Move and Shoot". Make the rule name describe what it does.
Stuff like this is kind of a no brainer that has no impact on game balance other than making it easier for new players to quickly understand what things do.
I would be wary of picking up models without asking before hand.
Some folks come to games to roll dice, local ork player here is one such player. Loves his mismatched dice and likes to roll a lot of them, normally ends up rolling them in batches but it never seems arduous. He ended up playing against a newer player at our FLGS that didn't know this and ended up never having him roll his dice, the ork player would charge a unit into some space marines and the other player would just pick them up, no rolling. Ended up being a boring game for the ork guy and I've yet to see them play together again. Yeah 20 boyz are going to wipe a sm squad most of the time but at least let him roll the power klaw and the characters.
Back in 8th & 9th when a unit fought they got a lot of extra movement and could chain to other units relatively easily in some cases so getting into melee was important. One game in particular stands out as particularly bad. Was playing BA into Ultramarines and my opponent would move up a hellblaster squad to wipe out one of my objective holders with a captain behind them to give re-rolls. I'd then position an assault squad to counter-charge the unit and pile-in to the character behind them, but when I would go to shoot something like 3 bolt pistols and 2 flamers into the squad he'd say, "Oh you got them and pick them up". I would have to tell him no I need to roll this because I need some of them to survive so I can charge them. He'd argue that I shouldn't shoot them if I didn't want to destroy them knowing full well that I would need the chip damage from the shooting to wipe the squad in melee. So not a fun experience. Ask before you just pick up a unit.
In a similar vein though don't force someone to watch you roll dice if it isn't actually important to you. Had a game recently against tau where a guy deepstruck a unit behind a character and was about to shoot 10 missile pods into him so clearly dead and the game was getting close to the 4 hour mark and it was already a chore playing against this guy so I just wanted it over with. Goes on to say, "Nah, man he might survive he's getting cover." I said it was fine and that it didn't affect anything else but he insisted and ended up using some stratagem for re-rolls and ignoring cover with a markerlight, "Cause you gotta be sure". Low and behold my character died and it was just another 5 minutes stuck playing with this dude. This was the kind of guy that just wants to destroy the opponents army instead of playing the game which ironically I won despite almost getting tabled.
Just be careful about it and make sure both parties are having fun.
thank you for this. people play this game criminally slowly. chess clocks should be mandatory at events.
Not obvious, but play dwarves
They are slow, but not all. Bikes can pretty much alpha strike, also vehicles are pretty fast
On a second turn, you drop hearthguard, they can kill at least one unit in range(if you play against gsc or something similar , than even a couple)and if they make it to melee (they have a high chance, because champion gives them charge rerols)
From your detachment you can mark 2 enemy units for every 1000 pts, they get 2 judgment tokens, which means +1 to hit and wound for the whole army. Depending on how fast you kill at least one marked unit, you get cp, from 3 to 1. Rarely you can’t kill the unit(if you chose correctly) later than 2 turn, and that means 3 cp.
These cp will also allow a great damage dealing potential:
+ap in melee
Sustained hits in range (if target has 2 tokens, than it’s sustained 2)
Return fire
Rarely I can’t bulldoze my opponent before turn 3 or even 2(that happened, when I was battling knights)
Easiest way to play a faster game is to play with less points. Another way to play faster is to have consistent loadouts. If you have 3 Cadian squads have the same loadut for each squad. For hordes like Tyranids Unending swarm you could go for all fleshborer loadout on your Termagants and skip the special weapons for quicker play.
When I have units with multi weapon loadouts, I get the number of dice ready and put them to one side (sometimes on their datacard) whilst it's the opponents turn. I find it works pretty well
simply shadowbox and perform various quantities of calisthenics while your opponent is doing their stuff during their turn
one thing that nobody really do : read and learn the rulebook
Step 1 : its the games fault .
Step 2 : play a better designed game
Best way to finish a game under 3h? Dont play against Tau! It takes forever to complete their shooting on turn 1 and 2. SM are also pretty slow if they have a lot of tank and dreadnought with multiple weapons with various profiles unless the player knows them all by heart.