F-22 Vs. F-35 Dogfight: Who would win?!?
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- The F-22 Raptor is the stealthiest fighter ever to fly and it comes to the fight with true hot rod performance thanks to a pair of afterburning turbofan engines that pump out a combined 70,000 pounds of thrust under afterburner.
But what the F-35 lacks in raw power, it makes up for with superior technology, including Infrared Search and Track capabilities.
So who wins this fight?
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Finally someone gets it.
The F-22 is getting a 10 billion dollar upgrade to get on par with the F-35 situation awareness.
It is? If so LETS GO!!!!!
The f35 is getting a 15 billion dollar upgrade to keep it more advanced than the f22 over the same 10 year period.
@@Typexviiib that upgrade is too deal with future threats, threats that will be present long after the F-22 retired.
It is also going to get a new air to air missle that is small enough so it can carry 8 missles internally.
@@Milvus_In_Excelsis indeed, but both are scheduled for completion in the early 2030s, meaning the f22 will never catch up to the f35 in tech. It will only meet 2020 levels of f35 tech in the 2030s. By mid 2030s NGAD should be online and f22 will be parked in the desert.
The narrative I keep hearing is the F22 cannot be upgraded easily at least not to the level of the F35.
The question should be can the F35 detect the raptor before the raptor detects it and engages it.
Yes. f-22 can be spotted with IRST still. F-35 likely would win BVR from what I've heard
Raptor has smaller RCS and larger longer range radar, and it's munitions likely have a bit higher PK due to kinematic advantage/ launch parameters. The only grey zone is the DAS range vs raptor IR sig reduction and whether or not it can que BVR/fox3s for the f35 if not it's f22 all day if it can it's a toss up (though f22 has its own DAS now/soon™) at range. Close range it's likely f35 10/10 unless they get to guns.
@@Andromedon777 irst dosent help bc it can't guide radar missles and irst isn't really gonna see further then 30miles
@@lilMungo I'm sure it has further range. But interesting it doesn't guide radar guided missiles. Do AIM-9 even have enough fuel?
@@lilMungo what is the Raptor going to use to detect the F-35 beyond 30 miles?
The F-35 has the first see, first shot advantage.
If ANY 5th gen fighter is getting in a dogfight, something has gone terribly wrong.
@@Crystal_Moon248 5th gen are more abundant and are used to pull the enemy out of their comfort zone.
F-22 are used to sneak up on the enemy's fighters without awareness of them being there.
U.S. 5th gen fighters can handle their own with the technology of the adversaries via EC jammer pods under the wing like the EA18 Growler.
Corridor of space from the Indian Ocean to Afghanistan was set up for safe passage of the helicopters to take out Osama Bin Ladin "DOUBLE" was done with the help of EA18 GROWLERS Wing scrambling RADAR of SAMS (Surface to Air Missiles) to create a void of Air Defenses.
NST6 were able to go into Pakistan without foreknowldge of the Pakistani Command.
Later (Different mission) the NST6 were on a mission when Obama Admin (State Dept) pulled the EA18 from giving cover to sacrifice the witnesses of BAD DNA TEST of OBL.
Dead men cant talk.
I'm not so sure about that anymore. In a war over Taiwan there could be air assets taking off from bases in extremely close proximity to each other and the sheer volume of targets could very well lead to unexpected events. The US capability of situational awareness and networks will be a significant advantage
You gonna ask this question and not follow up with a 20 minute DCS session with commentary? Amateur hour…
LMFAO
DCS doesn’t even have a accurate F-22 flight model specially not avionics suite. It’s just a used created skin.
@@astrixau8928 It has an F-15 radar, so not bad. And it does implement stealth
@@astrixau8928 it’s not a skin it’s a mod, and considering how much is classified and the limits of dcs, having used the mod myself, I can say that it’s a very good mod
@@astrixau8928 The avionics stuff is fairly irrelevant for a bfm dogfight. Everyone can see and lock everyone else. The F-35's HMD and DAS will make it easier to maintain visual and lock off boresight. But it's largely a moot point because the F-22 will get in the control zone in one and a half turns and finish the fight with guns.
Please discuss the F22 Raptor vs China Air Balloon and its specifications
"Ah yes finally - no A worthy opponent! " - F22 probably
Different mission sets, and I'm glad we have both.
Exactly right, situational availability makes the US the best military on earth, its all communication and logistics
Hey sir, can you please explain me the differences for what situation what jet is? thank you!
@@klex666 the F-22 is a air superiority fighter and designed to take off from land bases, The F-35 is designed as a joint, strike fighter and designed to takeoff from land bases and carriers, in addition to that the F-22 is designed to fight other planes, while the F-35 is designed for ground based target as well as aircraft, the F-35 will help replace the A-10 when it’s retired
@@zx_3116 thx!
The F-35 can shoot and kill opponents that it isn't pointed towards. This is a big advantage too.
Thus increasing RCS
@@luigimrlgaming9484 That does not make any fucking sense
So can the raptor..
@@sethboyd9931 The F-22 does not have an HMDS like the the F-35 lol
@@sethboyd9931 no, it can't. Raptor lacks the DAS so it has to be facing it's opponent to get a missile lock. F35 can lock on & fire at a target from any direction. No need to do fancy maneuvering then
If they ever found each other, radars off, it would be F-22 all the way. Both would be flying with active radar off, so passive radar wouldn't do a thing
F35 has much better irst and much better targeting angles in the likely event the planes don't approach each other nose to nose.
@@Typexviiib IRIS is about thr same range as the human eye
The F35 was built specifically for radar, networking, and technology. Take that away then sure, f22 wins in a dogfight.
@@TeenTeenFpv the irst the Russians used 30 years ago is good for about 20-30 miles. Most modern ones on planes like the EF-2000 are said to be good out to 50 miles. The F-35 would be limited since the F-22 has a reduced thermal signature coating and its irst has a stealth housing, but it could probably provide a firing solution for a 9x within 10 miles
@@dondelchulia3189 again within range of an eye ball
In a dogfight specifically it’s the f22 all day. Multiple reasons, it’s more maneuverable, a better energy fighter but it’s also able to dump all its energy like a flanker. And it can carry fox 2 missiles in its stealth configuration, unlike the f35. I feel that alone leads to an f22 win
Dogfight yes. Bvr no
@Such a good youtube name why do you say that? They're both armed with the same missle.
22 can shoot and scoot better just super cruising. Not that either would have an easy time getting a lock.
Brotha its a dogfight not a BVR fighter you dont need to be stealthy in a dogfight
@@thecommentator3732 well obviously, but look at it like this
If you’re sending the f35 into an airspace where air superiority isn’t achieved, with the idea of getting it, you’d send it in stealth config obviously. Well that means no sidewinders. That also means no dogfights unless you’re in the Air Force version
Conversely, the f22 can carry sidewinders in a realistic loadout situation
@@aceofaces1506 You do realize the 9X has stealth coating right?
Do you have any idea why the 9X pylons on the Fat Amy is a bit angled?
I think it’s no contest, one’s built to fight, the other is built to do everything. Obviously the fighter will win
Okay but was it build to eject the pilot on a clear sunny day flying at thousand feet and crash 50 miles away when autopilot is engaged too. I think I’ll skip that function
F-35 designed to check e-mail 😆
F-35 would win against F-22.
@@Lerppunenwhy do you think that?
@@Vipbossguythe video told you why
In 1v1 BFM from neutral merge I give the raptor 9 fights out of 10. You have to make a pretty serious mistake to lose.
In a 1v1 BVR joust with awacs, F-22 7/10. It's a lot faster and that means it can control the engagement geometry.
1v1 without awacs, f-35 8/10. all aspect irst is a major advantage and forces the raptor low and slow.
one thing thats make me not agree with you wich is whay they didnt sell the F22 Raptor like they did with the F35 !! and also whay the F22 cost more !!
i think the Raptor is superior to the F35 in every aspect !!
Two brothers might bicker, but God forbid an outside force pick on either.
F22/F35 are great for tag team along F-15EX & F16 along dogfights and ground targets.
F22 wins despite the f35 being my favourite😢
I don't think so
@@mutingp what do you mean 😆
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I’m pretty sure the F-35 is the most stealthy, more advanced, and has the better radar, all of which is crucial in a BVR engagement, although none of which matter in a dogfight because the F-22 practically has super-maneuverability
Question : F15 makes 50,000lbs of thrust from both engines. And F-22 makes 70,000lbs. Top speed of F-15 is mach 2.5. So why is top speed for F-22 is 2.2? Yet an F-22 can walk away from F-15 if it does want to engage and F-15 can’t keep up. So are we mislead about F-22 top speed to keep it classified?
Even scarier than F-22 is YF-23 can walk away from F-22 like F-22 does to F-15.
I'll save you a minute and a half. The real answer to this simplistic question is: "It depends"
They need to build an F-57. This would be an F-22 airframe with F-35 systems. Maybe fold in some B-21 technology also. They could probably get this into service before the new NGAD they're working on.
I think that’s what the NGAD is gonna be.
The NGAD will hopefully be the fighter you just described. Since the NGAD is already being fast tracked, I doubt they'd make 3rd 6th gen fighter at a faster rate.
They are planning on doing just that and it's called the F22 Super raptor and as of the F35 it was supposed to be updated with the NGAD tech but it's been delayed.
Maybe add advanced vectoring exhaust like the Su 51 Felon.
@@KC_Smooth My take is that the NGAD is the USAF's next attempt at a "transformational" technology. I think the F-22 still outclasses the J-20 or SU-57, so we really don't need new technology. We just need to pull all our existing technologies together into one fighter.
next update on an f22 is thermal* bet
Ok, so what's respectable?
2?
10?
20?
The missiles can turn faster than the raptor and the F35 can deploy a decoy. Unless it's guns only, they're even.
you know nothing of the jets i see guns only thinking the f35 could a solution lol. an f22 flown at max envelope would get nose on before a f35 could get halfway through its circle not even close match both are awesome jets but they are no where near the same
You're having a stroke... lay down
In a real fight the F-22 has no chance against F35. Because F35 can hit from 100 miles and go back safely. But in a dog fight F35 has no chance against Raptor.
Slight correction: The YF23 was the stealthiest fighter to ever fly. The F22 is the stealthiest to ever enter service
YF23 was better than the FYF-22 in almost every possible metric
but it wasnt conventional enough for morons deciding that for stealth fighter its more important to have MARGINALLY USEFUL thrust vectoring rather than better stealth, speed, range, endurance ...
@@Asghaad the companies involved had more to do with the selection of the F-22 over the F-23.
@Eastside Azskelad the difference in maneuverability was marginal, the whole thrust vectoring gimmick is exactly that - a gimmick you will NEVER use unless you somewhere seriously screwed up to get into a near stall WVR dogfight ...
meanwhile the YF23 was stealthier, FASTER, had much higher supercruise (1.79 mach without afterburner is INSANE ...) speed, endurance and had actively cooled exhaust making it much better at IR stealth than F-22 ...
YF-23 was BY FAR the superior platform for anything other than extreme close range dogfight and even then it is no slouch (has much lower wing loading than F-22 because it has higher wing area and is SIX TONS LIGHTER EMPTY than Raptor ...)
the role of a stealth fighter is long range BVR interception not WVR dogfighting and even for that YF-23 would be superior to any fighter in the world just like F-22 is
@@AsghaadWere you on the evaluation team? If not then stfu. If they have selected the YF-23 instead, idiots like you would then rave about the YF-22 and how it was the better fighter.
@@eastsideazskelad3093Northrop Grumman was in the middle of massive cost overruns and missed deadlines with the B-2 . Lockheed had just built and delivered multiple other aircraft with relatively no issues including the F-117 . The F-117 was built on a fixed price contract . Uncle Sam thought Lockheed was the better choice . The fact that Lockheed was the pioneer of stealth with the SR-71 and had more experience with stealth aircraft , didn't hurt either .
Depends on all factors, but that's never mentioned. A true 1v1 guns only fight, Raptor all the way.
in bvr raptor would smoke them in bfm they definitely are fucked. bvr it holds more missiles its faster and that gives you more power to keep them defensive and push them most people are retarded and dont understand jet combat its super dynamic to speed altitude and about 100 other factors
The quality of the pilots are probably a factor as well. Right now it look like the Russian airforce are ready to conscript just about anyone with some kind of pilot licence.
That is a no answer. Respectable is an opinion, not number guess. Do you "feel" it might be 50%, 65 out of a hundred? My guess is that in skies where it is not known a bandit exists, the F-35 should have more of an advantage but if in closer known contested areas it may go to the F-22.
This is fair. I'll add that numbers matter quite a bit too. One f22 vs one f35 would favor the f22. 5 f22s vs 5 f35s is going to be a bad day for the f22s.
F35s is more similar to wolves hunting, you have 20 of them in the woods, watching you move around, waiting, deciding when to strike. You catch the sound of them, but you can't see them, until it's too late
I’ve heard an actual F-35 pilot that was a former F-22 pilot say it can hold its own against the F-22 for a while
F35 can literally shoot targets behind below above beside etc literally any direction the pilots can look through the plane and it has ir sensors
An American pilot said that F35 has a full advantage over F22. Because dog fights are not happening anymore
He who sees who first wins. At the merge... Raptor ALL day
Question who has the most toys
Our boneyard can best most air forces
Please forgive me if it's a stupid question, but it says in the title it's a dogfight. And do all these sensors and radars mean that much in the dogfight? Isn't dogfight a visual range fight?
Yes dogfights are within visual range fighting
@DARTHBLUNT420 so in a dogfight it's not about sensors and radars, but more about airframe, agility and power? And if it is than F22 exceeds F35 on these parameters.
@@iliafrumkin5964 it is all the above you mention put together and it all boiled down to the pilots
@@iliafrumkin5964 the f35 turns the old emt concept on its head though, because it can engage targets pretty much in a 360 degree sphere instead of a 90 degree cone. It becomes more a question of missile range and cep chance rather than locking.
Also, just because you're wvr doesn't mean you can actually see your opponent. The f35s passive sensors and helmet ensures that at wvr engagement windows the f35 will always know exactly where the f22 is, even if the pilot loses sight of him.
I'm not saying the f35 wins every time, but these matches would be far closer than people would expect using 1970s era theory. Just like jets and radar upturned the conventional wisdom of ww2 era piston fighters.
A fight like this would never close to visual range unless both pilots were literally asleep.
You didn’t answer the question. What is a respectable amount of victories ? 35? 51? 75?
to me it implied less than 50 the way it was said, maybe 20-35%. Would have been better if it was more clear obv
Same question I asked
It's like asking whether Ferrari or Lamborghini can tow the heaviest boat trailer.
Lamborghini every time😂
@@Statueshop297 awd ftw
@@Statueshop297 well, they still make tractors, which I think is the origins of Lambo, but I don't think it's in the same company anymore.
@@anthonykaiser974 Lamborghini Trattori versus Automobili Lamborghini. They still make tractors and have the same corporate structure, as far as I'm aware.
well, Lamborghini started off building tractors 😂
THE f35 is not meant for dog fights 🤯🤯
Never forget the moment the Mirage took out the F22 in a dogfight training. Maybe the F22 isn’t thát good after all, but just the pilots.
sigh, in those training Raptors ALWAYS start at incredible disadvantage specifically to teach theyr pilots the limits of the plane while also being restricted from using theyr full capabilities
when your starting position is usually with oponent at your tail its frankly astounding that there are so FEW instances where F-22s get beaten
Lmao no
Still the king of the sky. The raptor is still capable of moving like nothing reliant on the normal laws of flight can.
Any Sukhoi aircraft: am I a joke to you?
@@mings6491 they literally are
@@mings6491 Yes
Lmao sure the F-22's engine power might be higher but if you look at the (a) experience that Russia has in super-manoeuvrable (capability to manoeuvre post-stall) aircraft, which stems from the preferred Russian doctrine of close-range engagements, and (b) the sheer manoeuvrability of the Su-57 or Su-27 series due to their independent all-axis thrust vectoring capabilities, I personally do think that the F-22 does lose out in terms of the sheer versatility of manoeuvres that those Sukhoi aircraft can pull off.
(Now of course all that manoeuvrability means nothing if the aircraft can't close to within engagement range of the F-22, which the F-22 won't let it)
F-22 "Would you intercept me?"
Can f22 fire its missiles backwards like the f35? Technically I guess it comes down to who sees who first.
They SHOULD have kept building these things until they wore out all the dies, casts, workers...... It pi$$ese me off to no end that they scraped it after approximately 180. It's time for Angry faces:
😡🤢👿👹👺👾👽
Growling Sidewinder could answer this question
Lol yup
Them sidewinder X missles gonna be screeching their way into to raptors behind🦅🦅
@@Smellon he meant the DCS TH-camr lmao
DCS does not have accurate flight models of the F-22 and F-35
@@thecommentator3732 I understand but I had to take the opportunity
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Welcome to the new age of aerial combat gentlemen. First sight, first lock, first, shoot, and then first strike. Second place in aerial dominance. Usually means you’re dead. No matter what plane you have or how good it flies having a superior kill chain is the difference between life and death and information is everything… Keep on rockin
The F-22 would win a dogfight. But from real-world, long distance approach the F-35's EOTS and AN/APG-81 gives it unsurpassed capability. Especially the Block 4 F-35s that will be upgraded with Advanced EOTS, the AN/APG-85 Nitride Gallium based TRM's with increased detection range, and the XA-100 adaptive cycle engines with increased thrust, reduced IR signature, and unparalleled performance.
Raptor will kick butt!
BOTH will shoot beyond vision.
But up close and personal,,, F-35 in a knife fight wont get their nose on the F-22 that has vectoring exhaust that can get a quicker nose on FIRING SOLUTION.
F-35 probably wins from a distance with an amraam. F-22 wins close up in a dogfight with a sidewinder or guns.
Team vs team
F-35 has over 890+ units, F-22 only about a 190 units, roughly 150 are most likely available for flight with personnel with the training to fly it. Most of them are most likely highly trained officers with the longest experience and security clearance. In other words, it's like the spartans of the airforce.
The F-22 can carry 6 AMRAAMs and 2 heaters internally without disrupting stealth capabilities. F-35 can carry 4 AMRAAMs internally without losing stealth but no fox-2s unless external stations are added.
F-22s can have roughly 1400-1600nm fuel range but require a dedicated airfield with security and the equipment for the plane to deploy.
F-35s especially on the B and C variants are capable of being deployed on carriers. Fuel range of 1200-1300nm. Essentially unlimited range.
F-22s are older, but highly premium. F-35s are newer with efficiency tech and lower price tag.
It's like comparing a Charger Dodge demon vs a Lambo Countach.
I will say that if we were to compare which would win, 1 v 1 = F-22 wins. Whole Team fight = F-35 wins. Pilot skill VS = F-22 pilots win. Long fight = F-35 wins.
There's just more to offer on the F-35 atm. More equipment, more bases and carriers that are able to help F-35s. More pilots, Maintenace guys who work and train with F-35s and less needed security than the F-22, plus it can be on a boat.
Information wise, F-22s would lose, since you just need one guy with a radio and sitting and watching the enemy airbase, you can count how many F-22s were deployed and relay in how many F-35s to deploy to counter the strike force or in reverse.
F22 wins it. The F22's design is an air superiority fighter. The F35 is mainly a ground attack aircraft. If you linked the F22, F35 and B21, and drone wingmen you would have the most capable ground attack combination in all of history.
For BVR, I think the F35c fitted with AIM 176b would win if the Navy get that working...F18 super hornet would be able to shoot down the F22.
Forgot to mention that the F-35 can fire its heat seeking Fox2 Sidewinder X’s at targets on it’s tail too. Something, from what I understand, the F-22 Raptor cannot.
Depends if you’re saying “guns only” flight or a dogfight “Fox 2 and guns”.
Only in dcs do fighter start a mile apart. Odds go up-1st look yes, however combat of all sorts is like football. Barry Sanders was/is a goat yet the lions sux…. Like football combat is a team sport. Unlike football there’s no salary cap. There are three basic elements of combat shoot, move, and communicate. America isn’t just in 1st place. It’s 1st 2nd and 3rd place. Money talks and bullshit walks. We out class the rest year after year for more than a half century. P.s each year is more than the next 9 countries combined. Good luck… if I could pick my bird, it would be a Raptor
I have a comment to add to one of your videos.
You have said that no F-15’s have ever been shot down, correct?
In the Gulf war we lost 2 F-15E’s. One was from the 335th , and 336th squadrons, buy anti aircraft fire and a Sam missile.
So technically two have been shot Dow.
Relatedly, one can also ask what would happen if squadron of F-22 faced-off with a squadron of F-35; take into account of the F-35’s shared information system.
I would give the fight to the F-22. The F-35 has some advantages and can use specific strategies to get its way, but the F-22 is a capable fighter and can use tricks to upset the F-35's preferred winning tactics. If the F-35's primary winning method is ruined, it doesn't have a fallback of being a world-class fighter as the F-22 does.
Just fyi everyone. The f22 is going NOWHERE. Congress approved a bill to protect it and fund $13.6 billion for the raptor fleet for complete modernization upgrades. its not being retired, only 37 of the oldest airframes are going from combat wings to training wings. After those upgrades, its gonna be a freaking demon
The F35 has so many flaws that it hardly flies, while the F22 is the best ever US designed airplane.
I do not see how you came to the conclusion lmao
@@ImWoolly you had my links to news articles removed.
You're such a biased.
@@alexdarcydestsimon3767 wdym i had your links removed?
An actual dogfight? F22 definitely. A realistic (at least as realistic as a 1v1 can be) engagement? My guess would be a draw, I think the f35 has far too much situational awareness and enough non-stealth capability to be shot down but there’s a good reason not even our allies have f22s…
What are we talking about here? The F35 won't be alone. It will have three of its buddies with him and possibly some F15 missile trucks behind it.
The F22 might have one buddy, but probably no more than that.
The one F35 can lock on, and a different F35 or F15 can fire the missile. Then another F35 could continue the lock while the first one defends.
And this is just the declassified stuff. We don't even know about the stuff that we don't know. But 20 years is a long time in terms of technology.
In a dogfight so BFM, ok this isn't even a discission the F-22 will always win... unless he is asleep, incredibly green or not currently in the cockpit. The F-22 is the Air Superiority machine that goes with the F-35 to drop their missiles. Comparing the two is like comparing a sports car to a work truck...
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The F-35 would jam the F-22 radar and the F-35 have HMD that would shoot Aim-9x over it shoulder snd behind something the F-22 doesn't have the F-22 have something the F-35 don't have is 2 engines and better stealth plus supercruise speed up to mach 1.8 which is way faster the the F-35 max speed of March 1.6
F35 doesn't sound like much of an upgrade from an F22. In my experience, it's always the skill that prevails not so much the technology. Every major war has a skilled person in just about every field.
Old vid - The F-22 has now reportedly got IRST capability, better stealth profile with new stealth droptanks, and helmet based electro optical targeting, which will significantly up the kill ratio on the F35
Belive or not, sooner or latter would eventually spark something awful in home of Yankees empire expansion.
F35 is a form of income for Yankees, and a form of beer 🍺pint for others.
It depends on the fight you put them in. US F35 vs the F22 in a BVR fight probably wins more than it loses, but if you put any F35 against an F22 in a true dogfight, Fat amy is getting her ass handed to her on a RAM coated platter
There are laws oreventing the U.S. from selling the F-22 to other countries due to it's capabilities. Obviously we can and do sell F-35s to other countries and I believe that says enough about the F-22s capabilities as the air dominance platform.
Define “respectable number of victories”? Bc since we’re talking about the F-22 that could anywhere from 5-50 times out of 100.
F22 all day. One of the best weapons platforms ever conceived and built. The only drawback was the low production run.
BVR the 35 has an advantage but an in close dog fight the 22 would easily win. But, the 35 has exposed turkey feathers, so from behind, it's not as stealthy. Either way, they're flown by the good guys and that's good.
The F-35 has superior radar and avionics. It'd kill F-22, as it did in exercise in late 2021, from distance and the Raptor wouldn't have known it was even there.
If the AIM-9X is on the F-35, that HOBS weapon and the HMD is going to be a serious problem for the Raptor.
The F22 is capable of things that can't even be discussed or demonstrated while not-in-combat. The F22 wins every time.
Well, boy does this video change after all the Raptor upgrades. Now the F-22 is the bogeyman in flight
The 35 is the ugly duckling to the 22.
With the new upgrades to the 35. The 35 will start to show what it's more capable of.
The 22 will still dominate the 35.
1--POLITICS f-22 WAS THE TWST BED FOR LOCKHEED USING IT TO LEARN WHAT NOT TO DO ON F-3
2-LIE ABOUT HOW SO MUCH BETTER A F-35 IS OVER A F-22 WITH SO OUT DATED SUPER COMPUTER IS ON F-22 AND OUTDATE PROGRAMMING THAT IS NOT ENGINEER TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE.
3-WHEN TIME FRAMES EQUAL F-22 HANDS DOWN.
And Air to Air fighter vs a Multi-role fighter/bomber, obviously the 22 is gonna have that DAWG in them but that’s like putting a wrestler vs boxer in a boxing match…
The title says “dogfight,” not “fight,” and in an actual dogfight, it’s going to be the F-22 every time… that being said, it’s almost never going to come to that, simply because of all of the SA that these two airframes have.
F22 is an air superiority fighter, with higher thrust and a lot faster compared to the F35. Different levels of performance. 80-20 for the F22.
Cool . Make a short titled vs. jets, and dont even tell us your opinion of the better jet. Just that the f-35 would take a "respectable amount of victories". Like just tell us which is better bro
The question was a Dogfight, let's get serious. F22 would win easily time and time again. Now BVR, that would be interesting.
If USAF add a more capable electronic warfare system and a more improved helmet and locking system on raptor they wouldn't need a 6th gen fighter for at least next 20 years
As far as I know the F-117 is the stealthiest fighter flying because it's stealthed thermally as well as from radar. It's radar return is probably crap, by today's standards, but there's a reason we use F-117's as adversaries to train stealth fighter pilots.
In a close quarters engagement, f35 gets obliterated, in a long range confrontation the f35 will always win
The f22 is meant to dogfight, the f35 is meant to end the dogfight miles away before they’re detected and before they happen
Who would win?
An export design multi role fighter, or the scariest flying object since the Stuka?
NOt true, for one they have already put them against each other the F-35 loss badly, 2nd you said dog fight, it would not win against a true fighter jet in a dog fight
Lmfao... radar doesn't matter in a dogfight .. radar works in an engagment... wish you people would learn terminology
The lightning is relatively cheaper too, so you can bring more in the dogfight than the raptor. 10 raptors vs 15 lightning 🤷🏻♂️
F-22 has the Maneuverability advantage, once F-22 gets behind F-35 then its over
Correct me if I'm not but the f-35 is meant to be Air-to-ground while the f-22 is a machine of absolute air dominance so no brainer f-22 would likely win
BVR, the F-35 wins all day. Dogfighting is a different story and is pretty obsolete unless it's full scale chaos.
There is something you forgot. The F35 has a helmet-mounted sight system, so there is no hood screen like in the F22, the pilot only needs to look at the target to hit the target. In F22, there is a hood screen, so the nose of the plane has to be in line with the enemy plane, only then can it fire a missile.
No no no in a DOGFIGHT, the f35 gets chewed apart everytime cmon now
F-22 best air superiority fighter ever it’s fast maneuverable and stealthy it’s biggest problem is it’s from the 90s so technology is lacking f-35 is the opposite it has the best technology it’s just not a great fighter in terms of speed maneuverability and stealth but it’s meant to be a multi role stealth jet so less dogfighting more dropping bombs but it can still hold its own against 4th gen and some 5th gen in a dogfight
Lol there is a reason f22 isn't available to anyone else... all I'm saying don't think you know everything f22 has
What would be a respectable number of victorys? I'm going with less than 1of 3.
Very simple answer, BVR close call but F-35, in a visual dog fight the F-22.
there would be no f35 vs f22 dogfight it would be which detects the other first on long range sensors and fires. in actuality though both would probably get shot down.