Studio Go Boom with Sylvia Massy - Ep. 1 (Variac/Astral Destiny) | EarthQuaker Devices

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  • WARNING: The following video features stunts performed either by professionals or under the supervision of professionals. Accordingly, EarthQuaker Devices and all involved must insist that no one attempt to re-create or re-enact any stunt or activity performed on this show. Working with high voltage electricity can blow up your house and/or kill you. Please do not try this at home
    Are you ready? Here we go! Sylvia Massy is an artist, adventure recording innovator, and microphone collector. She has engineered, mixed, and produced many infamous recordings over the years and is no stranger to the magic of rock n’ roll. It just so happens that a main component to that magic is FUN. Join us as we team up with Sylvia for a super fun journey into the beyondo world of sound experimentation! Episode 1 of Studio Go Boom features Sylvia and Chris giving us some examples of they accomplished with a variable transformer, a low wattage tube amp, and Astral Destiny. Stay tuned for future episodes and more creative adventures in sound!
    Directed by Vice Cooler
    DP: Dalton Blanco
    Audio: Henri Cash
    Intro Titles: Chris Tran
    Studio Go Boom Theme by Sylvia Massy
    Guitar: Chris Johnson
    Explore all things Sylvia Massy at www.sylviamassy.com
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  • @EarthQuakerDevices
    @EarthQuakerDevices  3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Thank you very much for watching Sylvia Massy's STUDIO GO BOOM! More episodes are right around the corner! Subscribe and stay tuned...

    • @acebone2
      @acebone2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very nice vid! They should emulate over/underpowering in modern day amp-sims
      What effect will overpowering have on the tubes longevity? I suppose they'll live shorter?

  • @SubjektAudio
    @SubjektAudio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Sylvia's like my favorite kooky Aunt only way smarter and cooler.

  • @tallalexander
    @tallalexander 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Sylvia is absolutely immense. I switch my tube amp on and wouldn’t be surprised if I electrocute myself or burn the house down, and here she is doing things like this......brilliant 😁

  • @Gottrahmen
    @Gottrahmen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Yess! Sylvia Massy is great, so cool to see she's getting a recurring series on this channel. Her Show Us Your Junk episode is my favorite out of the bunch.

  • @brianrainsfordmarshall2692
    @brianrainsfordmarshall2692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sylvia has to be one of the only producers who has protective goggles as standard for sessions.

  • @vonslagle
    @vonslagle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Massy Rules🔥

  • @KeithShelley1
    @KeithShelley1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love Sylvia Massey! I couldn't be more excited about this series. Thanks, EQD and Sylvia!

  • @chrishepburn1503
    @chrishepburn1503 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sylvia is such a subtle badass! I love it.

  • @seanmckenna228
    @seanmckenna228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Missed my stop on the bus because I was soo into this video!

    • @EarthQuakerDevices
      @EarthQuakerDevices  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      that's what we like to hear! (sorry/you're welcome)

    • @seanmckenna228
      @seanmckenna228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EarthQuakerDevices keep up the great content. Big Love.

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here's Sylvia once again, thinking and going outside the box again...I really love her. A hero of mine because of her creativity.

  • @haywarddaryl
    @haywarddaryl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ever since she showed us her junk I've been enthralled with this producer. Thanks so much for this series!

    • @EarthQuakerDevices
      @EarthQuakerDevices  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Our pleasure. Thanks for watching, Daryl! Check out her site for TONS of rad stuff. Seriously.

    • @haywarddaryl
      @haywarddaryl 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EarthQuakerDevices already ahead of you! That crazy audio room at the Shure factory is 🤪 awesome

  • @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n
    @m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks earthquaker for giving us more sylvia content! she's my fav

  • @brndgtl
    @brndgtl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Please let this be a series and make like a hundred episodes

    • @EarthQuakerDevices
      @EarthQuakerDevices  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This is a series and we have more episodes to be unleashed! Stay tuned

  • @miltonex
    @miltonex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love all Sylvia's work!!!!

  • @rocnred
    @rocnred 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are so awesome! I kept thinking of this movie about halfway through...IT'S ALIVE!! Sylvia's motto: everything has its own unique sound signature that can be used.

  • @makinglovetoDFA
    @makinglovetoDFA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is great! Cant wait for the rest of the series

  • @jokinmyass9446
    @jokinmyass9446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Omg! How did I miss this!! YO EQD, you guys are absolute genius for recognizing the genius within Sylvia Massy and putting that genius in the most perfect musical playground!! I'm going to follow every single episode!! All of the people involved at EQD I cannot think enough for what you've been doing for the musical scientist like myself that have limited resources. By giving these all star audio magicians a soapbox to share their knowledge and generativity is an INVALUABLE TOOL. Thank you thank you and looking over what I just wrote doesn't even accurately express how much this really means to me. From "show us your junk" now this and other things you've done. It's just so great 😁

  • @soysos.tuffsound
    @soysos.tuffsound 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love from Pittsburgh to our wonderful cousins just over the border. Looking forward to getting together again soon! Thanks for always putting together such excellent content.

  • @JackPeloquin
    @JackPeloquin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love Sylvia!!! Her original experimentation is so inspiring.
    And she produced one of my favorites, Machines of Loving Grace-Gilt.
    Man…. If I could make tea for any studio boss, it would be her.

  • @maxsmart9116
    @maxsmart9116 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "You should always have fun and be creative when you are recording"
    Good advice!

  • @ewantait4525
    @ewantait4525 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love Sylvia Massy, thank you

  • @no_wrong_notes
    @no_wrong_notes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am learning sooooo much from these! Sylvia is amazing. Would love to see a documentary on her life and career.

  • @hey_pj
    @hey_pj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what a lovely lesson. thank you.

  • @ronaldanderson9263
    @ronaldanderson9263 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Finally, Someone used a variac with something other than a plexi. Thank you. It works! - love that 90v brown sound

  • @justinhong7638
    @justinhong7638 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If I could choose one producer to work with, it would definitely be Sylvia. What a badass!

  • @stevericablanca4290
    @stevericablanca4290 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice! I smell success!

  • @jarredharvey1
    @jarredharvey1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was fantastic

  • @diodesDankessAndDives
    @diodesDankessAndDives 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So great 👍

  • @Alchemyrecordingstudioatl
    @Alchemyrecordingstudioatl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great video - interesting how different variacs and voltage can dramatically change the gain . EVH knew what was up !!

    • @Mark70609
      @Mark70609 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do you think EVH knew what he was up to?
      This sort of thing was done by Ken Fischer and EVH was a customer. The difference with Ken Fischer is he used a filament transformer to maintain the 6.3Vac voltage.
      Look at Grainger amps and you will find another device that lowers the voltage while maintaining the filament voltage and adjusting the bias.
      I didn’t like the demonstration where she turned the voltage down and turned the amp up. It didn’t prove much as the amp would distort more as you turned it up anyway. You have to leave the volume where it is and listen for the tonal changes.

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Mark70609 i think sylvia looks at things from an artistic point of view, not a scientific or demo one. for her it mattered that it could sound cool when you twisted knobs, not exactly what sounded cool at that point.

  • @ritterrific
    @ritterrific 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Way Cool!

  • @nugznmugz
    @nugznmugz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Subbed! Ms. Massey is such a BA! Can't wait to see more!

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    SHE'S BACK YEAAAAAAAAAA

  • @salemsworld7373
    @salemsworld7373 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is amazing!!! Can she do a tutorial on how she turns old telephones into a usable microphone? 🤔

  • @distortohio
    @distortohio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating

  • @stagnatic
    @stagnatic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is excellent, thank you.

  • @MajicFreeman
    @MajicFreeman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just rewatching Massey Videos last night, didn't realize this came out already1

  • @danieldemayo6209
    @danieldemayo6209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this lady is nuts I love it

  • @jawnedgaralice8606
    @jawnedgaralice8606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Holy Moly... Brrrring it ooooon!

  • @HollywoodRecordingStudio
    @HollywoodRecordingStudio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was really cool.

  • @JavierGarcia-kb1no
    @JavierGarcia-kb1no 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She's So Cool. Great Producer and Experimental Sound Creator. Awesome Stuff!

  • @benjaminfowler4513
    @benjaminfowler4513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The most bad ass thing about her to me has always been that she is super cool with giving her secrets away, and it's how she survives. That says a lot about her to me and if I ever could I I would shower her in jewels to make my album lmao

  • @PapaMidnite56
    @PapaMidnite56 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Massy the Mad Scientist! I love it!

  • @laps_music
    @laps_music 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Insanely cool.

  • @BillSeipel
    @BillSeipel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an amp, a Roy Blankenship Variplex that has kind of a unique design feature. It comes with a variac and you can essentially 'dime' everything and use the variac as a volume knob. It features some internal magic to protect the amp. Very cool amp from a great guy.

  • @conblurgh
    @conblurgh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Heck. Yes.

  • @digitaldina
    @digitaldina 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the legend !!!!!

  • @toprankin1973
    @toprankin1973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    She's so cool....🤘

  • @DeadWhiteButterflies
    @DeadWhiteButterflies 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I genuinely appreciate how much of a chaotic genius she is. Would jump at the chance to record an album with her, in some dreamworld where that was possible!

  • @adamtrojacek
    @adamtrojacek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Variac from dad...Houston, TX 🤘

  • @DiamondLifer
    @DiamondLifer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sylvia keeps looking younger every time I see her.

  • @leoncombs
    @leoncombs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's all about the journey ;)

  • @stevenburschinger8897
    @stevenburschinger8897 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    helllllll yes

  • @GustaVe_CR
    @GustaVe_CR 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE your content... and you’re SOOO beautiful! 😻 Greetings from Costa Rica! 😊

  • @redmodpedals9100
    @redmodpedals9100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    recording with her would be amazing, like a life experience

  • @L.Scott_Music
    @L.Scott_Music 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would loved to have seen a clip scene (like a fake blooper) of Sylvia with her hair straight up and out and maybe a little smoke and her say, "OK, we're going to work more on that variac in a later video."

  • @noborder7681
    @noborder7681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My best album prod Sylvia massy is undertow

  • @roryhensen
    @roryhensen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    FINALLY

  • @robpascual1684
    @robpascual1684 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yesssss More Sylvia Massy! Anyone new to her should also check out her Recording Unhinged book, it's great!

  • @juancitolimon8743
    @juancitolimon8743 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    tremeeendo

  • @matthewrap81
    @matthewrap81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Do you have to bias the tubes often when using a variac?

  • @scottworsham
    @scottworsham 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now I need a variac.

  • @terminalglimmer
    @terminalglimmer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Truly a mad scientist

  • @cemiteriodeflores
    @cemiteriodeflores 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤✨

  • @audiostudiocreativo4981
    @audiostudiocreativo4981 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got to say ohh yeah.

  • @kevincollins2761
    @kevincollins2761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    now that’s what I call “high voltage rock n’ roll”

  • @theblowupdollsmusic
    @theblowupdollsmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That Pro Tools widescreen display is insane.

    • @Oliver_Hallowee
      @Oliver_Hallowee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow I didn't even notice that at first. It's so wide wtf

  • @HunterAnton
    @HunterAnton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

  • @MarcJBeard
    @MarcJBeard 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ⚡️💕⚡️

  • @Projacked1
    @Projacked1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Sylvia, could you do the same with a tube pre-amp as well....?
    greetings from Holland :)

  • @xx4248
    @xx4248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just discovering these. I watched the preview and I saw Her with a shotgun mic that I have only ever seen in Bob Paquette's microphone museum. And she said welcome to the microphone museum at the start of the video. I met Bob and took a tour back in 2008. I wish I had taken notes, he was so full of experience and knowledge. It was a seriously an amazing opportunity. Does his collection still exist in it's entirety? He claimed to have the world's largest microphone collection. Is it still possible to make a phone call and have a tour. I have so many questions!

  • @skibbet21
    @skibbet21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    was the astral destiny hooked up to the variac or just the amp?

  • @assshakerstudios549
    @assshakerstudios549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @EarthquakerDevices an you make a VarAc pedal where you can set it to break up like that? Say 130v down to 85volts? 90 was my sweet spot before she said it as well! And would love it to be full range so I could use it on my bass amp! But put it all in an easy pedal format for tube amp owners! And you can make one of course with a tube amp pedal as well... Or maybe tube pre-amp? I few there making SS amp pedals like the Seymore Duncan one... But what about a tube amp pedal with VariAc control on it? That would be amazing with your Line 6/Fractal/Kemper/NeuralDSP/all the other pedals out now!

  • @rexaguilar2353
    @rexaguilar2353 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it the T5 infinum?

  • @G.GordonMidi
    @G.GordonMidi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy cow! How did I not know about this?? Anyone have a recommendation for a first time Variac buyer??

    • @jas_bataille
      @jas_bataille 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reverb probably has a ton of those around :)

  • @rocktonmusikschule
    @rocktonmusikschule 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    She is so cool thats the reason the amp does not burn 😂🤘

  • @MatthewHyatt
    @MatthewHyatt ปีที่แล้ว +4

    TL;DR, i blew up my house.

  • @johnhancock4001
    @johnhancock4001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sylvia Massy is like Ms. Frizzle if she became a producer

  • @32herz
    @32herz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    for some reason this video ha japanese captions on and it just made it a tad cooler :D

  • @foobarbazqux
    @foobarbazqux 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sylvia!! Do you still have that picture you took of Rodman, Sage, Cheyenne and I, from when we came and recorded Art of Death? I know it’s doubtful, but if you happen to be crazy digitally organized with your band photos, let me know. Respect- Sly Baba

  • @ClangLab
    @ClangLab 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder whether she also uses boutique amps while doing this.

  • @joanbull9066
    @joanbull9066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great demonstration. I've read about variacs but had no idea what they sounded like.

  • @ronnieremark3355
    @ronnieremark3355 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always forget that she produced an incredible Tool album, if I’m not mistaken!?

    • @ChrisJohnson-pm9jf
      @ChrisJohnson-pm9jf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True - Opiate & Undertow

    • @Aphelion_Music
      @Aphelion_Music 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah she worked on Undertow! Super cool person all around :)

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And System of A Down's self title. to me, this means she was probably integral in shaping the professional sound of those bands while helping to create their first albums. A real precedent setter for sure. she also worked with Prince a little back in the day. i forget which album though. she basically says in interviews that prince is prince, everything get's done his way, and he's never wrong. lol. he sounds like his own Sylvia massey in the studio from the way she describes him. I can see how having two Sylvia's in the studio wouldn't work. one would have to defer to the other for sure. waaaaaaay too much creativity and artistic determination otherwise. lol.

  • @horstdunoch3546
    @horstdunoch3546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Am I the only one who got scared ? :D

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right!? When Sylvia puts on safety glasses, you know it's about to get real.

  • @MrAgentEcho
    @MrAgentEcho 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, they made a death cable to plug into that variac.

  • @kaislivesoundchannel4706
    @kaislivesoundchannel4706 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn‘t that the Eddie VH approach to his guitar sound .

  • @ChristBurner
    @ChristBurner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome! Increasing the voltage with a variac Is kinda like over clocking a CPU then?... So all we need now is a way to liquid cool our tubes 🤣

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      nota bad idea actually. a lot of all tube Bass guitar amps have fans in them. but generally fans are quieter than pumps when building overclocked computers that need to be silent as well. and generally with fan cooled computers having lots of air flow with fans on low speed is as almost as quiet as having internal sound dampening panels which restrict air flow, forcing fans to operate at higher speeds. (yet notably cooler). just things to bear in mind for cooling guitar amps for variac use!

  • @DynamicRockers
    @DynamicRockers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    120V was sounding the best.

    • @GrantBrenner
      @GrantBrenner 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's the normal voltage...

    • @DynamicRockers
      @DynamicRockers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GrantBrenner What a surprise!

  • @daveother
    @daveother 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Huh, didn't know the Hellraiser Box company also made Variacs.

  • @GtrMan863
    @GtrMan863 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍💗 Eddie Van Halen RIP

    • @mannyfragoza9652
      @mannyfragoza9652 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i know i was thinking EVH all thu this video

    • @selassie
      @selassie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      EVH said his variac sweet spot for recording was 89 volts. Sylvia is serious business.

  • @daviddalby6217
    @daviddalby6217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is very cool. Buuuuuut...all the way up to 240v? Pfft, I get that out my plugs without any of your fancy shenanigans . Good ol’ UK mains.

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      haha. yeah, but you're amp is built for it.

  • @SynthoidSounds
    @SynthoidSounds ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Let's not blow up the amp" . . . always sound advice.

  • @MeAndTheBoys_
    @MeAndTheBoys_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    120 volts : U.S electric grid
    140 volts : Tight and strong
    240 volts : Actual electricity for professional needs.

  • @joellebrodeur1015
    @joellebrodeur1015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So, how do you not fry equipment doing this?

    • @Jackson-df3rv
      @Jackson-df3rv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Studio go boom

    • @Mark70609
      @Mark70609 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly, you are damaging you equipment. Here is the thing, if the amp is vintage, you may not be able to get the required transformers from an off the shelf supplier.

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, the repair and upkeep maintenance bills on her studio are probably twice as high as an equally well equipped studio. i bet her amps get maintenance twice as often as other studios at least, and probably need more components replaced more often as well. just a guess though. at her level, i doubt it's an issue though. it also depends on just how often she does this technique too. i assume she starts everything off at standard USA voltage 120, and if her ear tells her it can sound better, breaks out the variacs.

  • @thaddeuscorea
    @thaddeuscorea 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    WTF with those ground wires flopping around the pos and neg terminals???

  • @hibernative
    @hibernative 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When she started talking about voltage that can kill you I was out.

    • @Mark70609
      @Mark70609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The big variac has the terminals exposed and is definitely dangerous. I’m more worried about damage done when turning variac up and exceeding the specs of the components.

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mark70609 yup. i'd definitely put a well ventilated shield of some kind around that sucker. long before i put glasses on. i'd totally be the type to accidentally brush those, or absentmindedly wiggle them or something. lol.

  • @roscoechance5155
    @roscoechance5155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Don’t try this at home

    • @pjuliano9000
      @pjuliano9000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      EVH did .... just make sure you're using one with a voltage meter .. stay within a zone

    • @Mark70609
      @Mark70609 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pjuliano9000 EVH turned the voltage down, he also had a big power resistor mounted in the amp to quieten it down further. EVH also used 6CA7 valves instead of EL-34’s. The former being more sturdy. The bias would have been set up for the predetermined rail voltage too. This isn’t an apples for apples example.
      In the studio EVH didn’t use the variac, it was only used to reduce the stage volume.

  • @MojosArmy
    @MojosArmy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    But but the ground wires

    • @jas_bataille
      @jas_bataille 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure how this is not grounded...?? She clearly shown that both variacs indeed have grounded power. I don't get it?

  • @kingfisher7960
    @kingfisher7960 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the brown sound Eddie Van Halen tried for.

  • @giuliobenetti2810
    @giuliobenetti2810 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sylvia, you’re great, but please cut those ground wires!

  • @bimscutney1242
    @bimscutney1242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I mean EVH did this with his rig so it’s really nothing new. But it’s very cool to see it at work.

    • @slavesforging5361
      @slavesforging5361 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True, Circle of Tone has a cool video where he traces the sound of a recording to a specific 9 volt battery that was used in a pedal. the 9 volt is some ridiculous off brand, and is notably underpowered, but sounds great for that 'brown sound'. I don't remember what band or song it was though. i've possibly watched too many of his videos. Whitesnake maybe? i dunno.