I think she’s going to have to learn on her own. Also, I hope that people aren’t so harsh with her so she blames herself when it’s really out of her hands.
Literally, no one asked for this musical and we don’t need it. Honestly, I don’t understand why Andrew Lloyd Webber would waste energy on a Cinderella musical.
Agreed. Sondheim did a Cinderella (Into the Woods), but he created a fairytale that focus on real life issues, so it was a new experience that felt familiar. ALW went for the commercial success of Cinderella when you’d think he’d challenge himself with….. I don’t know….. Rumplestiltskin. 🤣 Called RUMP the MUSICAL!
@@CareOffBook exactly! And into the woods is so different in a way that makes it it’s own thing….I have to say I’m wondering if Andrew Lloyd Webber saw the Camila Cabello Cinderella and wanted to make his own (I don’t know if this musical predates that one) also I really didn’t like the Camilla Cabello version but it’s better than Andrews musical because at least she had a dream to make dresses. Pretty sad when a version of something makes you like another version that you don’t like.
@@brooke3312 Again, that movie has plot holes and moments where made me do the scooby doo noise. I’m forever grateful for the Idina Menzel Material Girl though.
The name change to Bad Cinderella seems to be the only positive change so far ( in London far too many children went to the show - parents thinking it was a Disney-like show). I saw it twice in the West End, and really enjoyed it. Yes , if you want to pick holes, the plot needed work . But it has enjoyable songs and it was a spectacle .Sadly Broadway will not have the spectacular revolve where the stage and front of the stalls revolves to put the stage in the middle of the theatre. The costume choice for Linedy in Bad Cinderella is ridiculous ( she has to be totally different to the other townspeople - thats the whole point of the show). Yes i expect ALW to blame everyone but himself when the show closes.
This might seem random, but I love to walk around theaters and look at the architecture. It also made me realize that not all musicals can fit every stage.
I just watched Kayla Says' video on the Broadway production and apparently there were a lot of families with young kids in the audience, so I think that message still hasn't been fully communicated
I'm completely surprised that there are musical theatre performers out the who still want to work with ALW after what happened to the cast and crew of Cinderella in the West End ...
Even on the most basic level, its been so over done. You want a Cinderella who "isn't like the other girls" and is the different "edgey" girl? Literally look at ANY of the Disney Channel Original movie versions of Cinderella, and thar ya go
I think Ever After with Drew Barrymore was so well done and she was rebellious. Picking up that gypsy, dressing out of her station to save a fellow servant.
One plot point that's just glossed over in how Sebastian and cinderella are best friends. Yes, the Queen saw him different to charming but surely a town that up its own arse wouldn't let the second in line to the throne hang around with the one they all want to kill.
I think there’s a huge problem in how quickly stories become shorthand; so in this case: “everyone knows how Cinderella stories go” so there’s no point in really *doing* anything with it beyond a fresh coat of paint, maybe changing some minor things (it’s not *the* Prince but his younger brother!) and that’s “all you need to do” to make this Cinderella; and that’s not how adaptations work; this show is clearly trying to be a new thing but it barely gets the point from the original so it doesn’t actually know where it can go from there; Mickey Jo and Wait in the Wings said it best: the show has a major identity crisis and it doesn’t look like that’s going to be properly addressed or fixed any time soon (if it will be at all)
Stories like Cinderella have millions of variations from different countries across history, each with their own unique interpretation of the characters and events ,as well as the moral teachings within the tales ... The Cinderella most people are familiar with is a creation of Walt Disney.If you read Perraeult's Cendrillon she's very different in terms of personality to Walt's ... Here are some examples of what I mean : Disney's 1950 Cinderella: a kind hopeful dreamer that looks in the bright side of things . Positivity is her greatest characteristic Grimm's 1812 Aschenputtel: kind , but with severe anxiety issues,extremely insecure and her most highlighted characteristic is her indecisiveness Perraeult's Cendrillon 1697 : Has low self esteem and low self worth ,fools around with her stepsisters when they tell her about the mystery girl,her being like :Yeeees keep telling me about that girl that I totally have no idea who she can possibly be 😜. Ask her older sister for a dress to see the mysterious princess but Charlotte declines and insults her , she's described as being relieved at her sisters response subtlety telling to the reader that she enjoys fooling everyone at the ball ( If you pay attention to the actual writings of the story you'll find that she's much more layered than people believe ) .Her greatest strength is her kindness and ability to forgive Bassile's La Gatta Cenerentola 1634 :She commits murder at the beginning of the story,is actively spiteful towards her step family ... And overall very untraditional when it comes to Cinderella variants ... If you want to depict her as a spicy 🔥 female character Bassile's version is the right one for you ... Lots of the old folk stories have unlimited potential with how many variations there are and each different creative mind giving each own unique interpretation of the events and characters and themes ... Into the Woods is a very good example of that ,the reason as to why it succeeded is that they knew what they wanted to do and how to do it well, same goes with Walt Disney's animated adaptation ... ALW half assed this project, just like most of his ... LOVE NEVER DIES is a good example of that,I personally agree with the critics on this one: He's terribly overrated
@@alexp.d3689 Rocky 1976. The Italian stallion is chosen out of the blue to attend a fight against well known Apollo Creed… 🤣 Ok I’ll stop, but you’re right there’s so many Cinderella stories out there that it baffles me how this went wrong because it such an easy storyline.
This is the first video of yours I've seen, but I am so thankful for the algorithm sending me here because this felt like chatting with a friend about this trainwreck of a show
I am subscribed to Carrie Hope Fletcher and watched the amount of work put into the West End show. It was pretty shitty on ALW’s part to end it that way and expect better on Broadway.
I honestly think ALW is trying to pull off a 'The Producers' type heist. Like he is deliberately putting it out to fail and close down early and will apply for bankruptcy to cover his own losses. After calling it a 'costly mistake' then put up the funds to take it to Broadway only to make production decisions to the detriment to the plot and aesthetics, I find it really dodgy.
I got to see the west end version at the end of May& hearing some of the plots with Mickey Joe & Wait In The Wings videos I was like oh yeah I complete forgot that happened in the show. Not a good sign if people forget things & it hasn't been a year since.
Phantom didn’t close down for this. Phantom is an incredibly expensive show to run due to its high tech budget, big cast, and abnormally large orchestra size. For the show to even just make enough to run in todays market it had to be playing to an at least 85% sold out house, however for the last year it’s been unfortunately consistently only playing to 70-79% capacity meaning it’s been losing money.
@@gameworkers7583 I did a video on it and I’m glad it’s closed because it felt outdated and I want time before a revival happens. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great musical. Love to know your thoughts.
I saw it in the West End and it was ok I liked it ish like my opinions were very much omg the cast was great rather than the story but I just don’t understand why ALW left the west end the way he did and then hop over to America whilst expecting there not to be any criticism. He said it was a costly mistake yet he’s doing it the same just in the US - make it make sense
I just read an article where he says that he meant doing the show after the pandemic was the costly mistake. Still, him not being there for the cast and sent a letter was poor taste.
You are right with speeding up the song!!! I love it! I just hate that both the west end and Broadway performers, cast, & crew are just getting shit on THEY ARE AMAZING PEOPLE It's the book & lyrics that are the problem, it's been the problem since the concept album And yeah the Broadway version from what I've seen in clips did everyone wrong with the costuming choices and I don't want to even fault the costumer because at this point WHO KNOWS who's decision that was tbh And Webber just ugghh I can't He did it with Sunset, then countless of other shows, and he's just going to point fingers at everyone but himself Make the show better because you belive in it, not for tik tok or fame or hype, Tooo many people believe in this show for years and he's dragged them through the mud And idk who else gets a say but whoever helped with the book and lyrics just need to sit with ALW and somehow change it Cause everyone else from house and cast and crew since even before west end have continually been performing at the HIGHEST LEVEL and you can't scream at them again for a review that was warranted from NY Andrew
@@CareOffBook I think you hit the nail on the head as to why this isn’t great: it ended up as a rush job, because ALW wanted to be among the first new West End shows to premiere post-pandemic. It NEEDS more workshopping. I think if they had tried to course correct a few of these points before opening night, it could have been a vastly different show. There were parts that were already promising (CHP killed the titular song, and a few of the main plot points and twists had potential) but others that needed a rewrite or complete scrapping. It sucks because there are a few shows that had fantastic songs written into horrible plots, so they may never get performed again. Case In Point for me: The Mad Hatter from Wonderland.
I see both. The only negative thing I would read was about technique and pitch. New video coming Thursday about and interview with Linedy and Carolee. Very interesting.
Dude the 1.25 speed helps SO MUCH (lyrics are still embarrassingly “I’m not like other girls”) like so much better I was shocked why they haven’t done that. You could even keep the first part slow then speed it up when we hit the first “call me bad Cinderella”
I just saw the Broadway show this past Saturday and I loved it! ❤ I dont know why Bad Cinderella has received so many bad reviews. Im sorry you didnt like it. It seems like you are taking this show too literal. Its a musical not a documentary. I judge a show based on whether I sang the songs after leaving the show or googled them. I did both in this case! I cant say the same for other so called hits like Mean Girls, Waitress, or Legally Blonde which had forgetable songs. Bad Cinderella had at least 5 that I want on my playlist. Influencers are jumping on the bandwagon and attacking Bad Cinderella because they know its an easy way to get likes and followers. They need to come up with some original content instead.
I’ve seen influencers appreciate it. I haven’t seen Waitress, Mean Girls I was shocked that I enjoyed it (but you’re right the music can be forgetful), and Legally Blonde is amazing and I comfortable using Legally Blonde jargon in everyday life! 🤣💖✨
I feel like ALW didn't actually fix what was wrong with the show, (the plot and the book clearly needed work) but the clips I saw from the west end and the recordings were fantastic. They had a great cast. And honestly I prefer the west end cast recording. The Broadway recording of the titular song "Bad Cinderella" has been changed so much and I honestly don't like it at all. I think it had potential, but the story needed some serious rewrites
I agree. The lyrics seem so bland now. I just listened to the Broadway version of "I know I have a Heart" - my favourite song in the show - and the Broadway version has lost all it's... er... 'ooomph'!
I have a personal challenge to find a video review of Bad Cinderalla that doesn't mention Mickey Jo. 😅 BUT, I love your review and perspectives so I'm your newest subscriber! Yay!
Ha “one does not simply talk about Bad Cinderella without Mickey Jo.” He hasn’t announced it, but my guess is he’s visiting NY to see it himself! If so I can’t wait to hear his thoughts.
I just watch these videos to comment on my love for CHF. She & Ivan & the rest of the cast did not deserve the treatment ALW gave them. Hope Linedy is wary of what might happen.
There’s a New York Times Article interviewing Linedy and Carolee. I’ll do a video about it on Thursday, but I think they are thrilled to say that they’re working with the household name ALW.
@@mollycblaeser And now she calls him He who must not be named, and in her holiday Pantones they named her evil t rex wench men Andrew and loyd, I thin he is burning more bridges than he should, cause both the west end and Broadway are small and close nit community's and f he screws New York actors and actresses and crew over then there will be no shows once phantom closes in New York , the unions will have a field day with him if he dares pull a west end like that on Broadway.
I can't help but feel like the "title track" is a rather forgettable song. Like, it doesn't even repeat in my head other than questioning the lyric choices.
I think your predictions about the show's fate on Broadway, and ALW's reaction to that fate, are absolutely correct. With all the confusion about character motivations in the show, what I don't understand is ALW's motivation in producing a show that flops in the West End and then turning right around and taking it, unfixed, to Broadway, where audiences are harder to please and where ALW is not nearly such a big deal as he is in London, and expecting it to be a hit there. Is he that cocooned from reality? Of course he is.
The book and songs need work. I'm shocked to see that Emerald made this. After coming off of Promising Young Woman, I expected more from her. Book: why is Cinderella bad? If uniformity is the norm and beauty has a price, let Cinderella be the only authentic girl in town. The book can still focus on the superficial look that the town has on beauty, but let Cinderella be beautiful from the inside: caring, loving, forgiving. However this clashes with the current transformation and ball scene. Maybe at her lowest of points, desperate to help her old time friend, she transforms, only in appearance, to fool the Queen together. However during the ball, despite her to them horrible appearance, they realize that they are really in love. Have a simple miscommunication like in the current musical lead to a fallout between the two. And the Prince repents by giving up his status or superficial "beauty" to the Godmother, returning Cinderella's necklace to her and declaring his love for her. The gay Brother subplot can go, the superficial godmother and town can stay. Just be clear of what true beauty is according to the new show. The message is perhaps a bit overdone in recent years, but it's still relevant as ever. Songs: The weakest part IMHO. All the songs are derivative, meandering, just plain boring. ALW should retire at this point. Opening: Belleville - incredible poppy, everything's great here advertisement song in the vein of Wicked's One Short Day. Bad Cinderella: let's focus on juxtaposing the view of her with what she actually wants. No good deed vibes. Only you, lonely you: give the Prince wants and ambitions of his own, realizing at the end that he's learned what to prioritize through the bond with his childhood friend. Just some suggestions, I've been thinking way too much about this musical in the last few months 😅
I think you would enjoy an episode I did where I say let’s try to fix it, meaning workshop the show. The comment section is great because people come up with creative ideas to help the show. Overall it’s fun because to me workshop is a way to explore and play. As far as your comment I agree and for the prince to trade his looks or even if it’s a trait everyone talks about. For example if he wasn’t as good looking a his brother, but has the best hair. So by the end of the show he’s bald. 🤣
@@CareOffBook I'll be sure to make that the next video I watch 😍 I'm curious to see what your suggestions are and what you've come up with😁 You had me laughing out loud with the idea of the Prince being bald at the end of the show. 🤣 I think it would be most fitting if both the characters had to lose something in order to end up with each other. 💘
Things I don't understand, she sings about being a bad cinderella and not doing or caring what anyone thinks. Then why go to a plastic surgeon? I see her going to a super goth godmother who even makes her more unlike everyone with almost a cruella entrance. I'm not sure why the plot jumps back here. I am also NOT a fan of "gay used as a big plot twist to show how inclusive we are" when you never establish the character without any character development. I hear the stepmother and queen are the best part, a show about them may work!
I haven’t even thought about the script using a “gay” twist for shock value. You’re so right. I do wish that when the reprise Man’s Man was happening that the Prince used those lyrics when introducing the duke. “For I am a Man’s man.” It’s hard to describe it through text. 🤣 As far as Cinderella I believe she cares about what Sebastian thinks of her and the Stepmother puts it in her head that he would never choose her compared to others at the ball. I AM ALL FOR A STORY ABOUT THE QUEEN AND STEPMOTHER!!!!
I was thinking about this... if you feel ALW is solely responsible because he has final say, would you give him full credit for every department of the production if the show was a huge hit, and ignore everyone else's contribution??
Yes and no. The production itself is produced from his company that on the website says he wholly owns. So I do put more responsibility on him. Something I go back and forth with is wondering if he is hands on with the projects or he hires people and has no vision, so he lets them do whatever. 🤷🏼♀️
Carried hope Fletcher was incredible. It was amazing to watch her perform in the closing week of the show. I loved the stand she took for her fans. She met us all at stage door. She wanted to remember who was important the Audience. I can't stand the idea of this in the states. Who wants it? What is the point? Only thing I can guess is when you all keep it relevant by reviewing it there is attention and funds being produced for a has been Creator 😡
Damn, this is a situation of a musical. Haha. I don't really have any opinions, though I listened to the song sped up & agree that it was much more enjoyable/seemed to fit much better.
Loved the west end version gutted it came to an end and the way he spoke about his staff well shame on you alw I hope it’s an instant flop in America not for the cast but because he cut a brilliant show here in the uk
Okay okay but like the thing we aren't all talking about the fatphobia in the transfer. We went from a mid/plus sized protagonist to someone who barely stands out. It was just another difference between Cinderella and the rest of Belleville. And like... they just got rid of it. But no one's talking about it. Costume changes. Yes. So much. But why aren't we addressing the elephant in the room. Especially in a show about beauty and self love.
I guess I never really thought about it in that way. I saw it more as awkward that the show tries to convince the audience that Linedy wasn’t already the conventional beauty standard.
@Performance Perspective Oh I agree. But it's so frustrating as a plus sized woman to see ALW & the production team deem my body type as one of the changes because "American audiences can't handle it."
Someone convinced ALW that doing a woke Cinderella would be profitable. He apparently never heard the wise saying "get woke, go broke". So this show will fail. Again. And he will still not understand why. As for me, I'll be enjoying watching the hole thing burn down, with my popcorn 🍿
Is it entertaining and enjoyable? Is the music good; the songs are brilliant. Is there no WOW factor? The best available choreographers, sets, costume design and music and yet u slate it 😮😢
Yes I agree with everything you said, but what you and a lot of reviewers seem to be doing is making out like everything wrong with the show is ALW . You mentioned how bad the book is ( and yes it is bad) but you never mentioned Emerald Fennell. You mentioned the costumes but never mentioned Gabriela Tylesova. I'm also surprised you never spoke how awful the lyrics are by David Zippel - i personally found them Laughable at times. When i first saw the pro shot of Bad Cinderella my first thought was to see who choreographed it as, like you said she's conforming with the towns folk which goes against everything she is. I didnt say "oh God ALW got it wrong" i blame the choreographer or even the director. I know his name is the biggest out of all the above mentioned but he is still only a part, granted a big part, of the show not the whole thing. So to keep blaming, or only using his name to blame for the failings of this show seems a bit mean spirited and dare I say lazy.
I can’t speak for others, but the reason I didn’t fully go into the choreographer and costumer for the broadway production is because I was focused on the 35 second pro-shot. I would like to see more in order to share an opinion on someone’s work. As far as Zippel, you’re right, the line “I want to be hot” continues to make me laugh. I want to hear the broadway soundtrack to see if there’s changes to the lyrics. I don’t know if this show is trying to go for “the producers” effect. 🤣 In my opinion, I do place a lot of responsibility on ALW because he is the creative director. Everything presented had to be approved by ALW.
@@CareOffBook yes I get that. Tell you what does make me laugh the one thing people don't mention his name with much is the music lol. The music tries to be "pop" "six" etc but it's just too Lloyd Webber. I do Want to point out even though I'm not a fan of this show, he did compose my favourite musical, Sunset Blvd.
ALW is the power behind the show. He would approve everything or say something needs to be changed. I think he’s stubborn or has a team of “yes” people. There seems to be major holes in the book. Fix that so the show makes sense? Plus, the title. She’s “bad” because she doesn’t conform to society’s norms? Seems a poor choice. I think ALW wants a big hit, wants to be contemporary like Hamilton, etc, plus figures fantasy type shows have staying power (Wicked, all of the Disney shows, Moulin Rouge). All of those shows have solid plots, which are resolved at show’s end.
ALW didn't actually say the show was a costly mistake, he was referring to the shows opening and closing and reopenings. If they had held off opening the show till a few months down the line, it would have been much easier and cheaper, because they wouldnt had to stop and start. Also, what you talked about doesn't really seem to be ALW's fault. He didn't write the book and he didn't direct it. What the show needed from the start was a director who knew how to stage and shape a new musical. To be able to say to ALW, this isn't working, how about we try this, or maybe do some rewrites during previews. Yes they did make a few, but nothing you would really notice.Laurence Connor only restage someone else's work (Les Mis/Miss Saigon) As for the costumes now looking the same, again, not ALW. If you want to bash the show and find fault, at least blame the right people.
I do have an opinion about “costly mistake” remark. Future video coming up reacting to an article and they bring this up. I do place a lot of responsibility on ALW because he has final say on these departments. If Beyonce did a music video and the look was off, the story wasn’t great, and the song just wasn’t it. The community looks to Beyoncé instead of the stylist, videographer, and song writer because Beyonce’ has the right to say “this isn’t working.” That’s just my perspective.
@@CareOffBook But ALW didn't produce the show. It was done by his company, RUG, who had a specific team to produce and manage Cinderella. Just because his name was above the title doesnt mean that he had final say on every department. You don't hire professionals at that level to do a job and then go round micromanaging everything to within an inch of it's life. All the departments come together towards a central goal and put their best work forward. If some of it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but that doesn't mean ALW is to blame. Of course, thats not to say that ALW didn't give his opinion anyway, wanted or not, but thats not having the final say.
@@DDTC73 do you feel ALW shouldn’t take any responsibility or just some since there were others involved? I’m not asking in a condescending matter I genuinely would like to know.
@Performance Perspective Of course he has to take some responsibility, he wrote the music for it and some of that music is terrible. I also think alot of David Zppel's lyrics are atrocious and i find it hard to get my head around how the same guy who wrote the witty, sharp and clever lyrics to City of Angels, is the same guy who wrote this. So by your book, you believe ALW is ultimately responsible for those bad lyrics, because he has final say?
💖✨ Thoughts on the interview with Linedy Genoa and Carolee Carmelo? 💖✨
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You are 100% correct in your prediction. Nothing is ever his fault. Wonder whether CHF and LuPone have poor Linedy on speed dial…
I think she’s going to have to learn on her own. Also, I hope that people aren’t so harsh with her so she blames herself when it’s really out of her hands.
You’d think he’d learn after a few stinkers thay sometimes not everything is a good idea
Literally, no one asked for this musical and we don’t need it. Honestly, I don’t understand why Andrew Lloyd Webber would waste energy on a Cinderella musical.
Agreed. Sondheim did a Cinderella (Into the Woods), but he created a fairytale that focus on real life issues, so it was a new experience that felt familiar. ALW went for the commercial success of Cinderella when you’d think he’d challenge himself with….. I don’t know….. Rumplestiltskin. 🤣 Called RUMP the MUSICAL!
@@CareOffBook exactly! And into the woods is so different in a way that makes it it’s own thing….I have to say I’m wondering if Andrew Lloyd Webber saw the Camila Cabello Cinderella and wanted to make his own (I don’t know if this musical predates that one) also I really didn’t like the Camilla Cabello version but it’s better than Andrews musical because at least she had a dream to make dresses. Pretty sad when a version of something makes you like another version that you don’t like.
@@brooke3312 Again, that movie has plot holes and moments where made me do the scooby doo noise. I’m forever grateful for the Idina Menzel Material Girl though.
Because the story was already written. He has a penchant for writing songs when the plot is already right in front of him.
@@MarnieGolde7 yup! Then piggy backs off the success thinking he did it.
The name change to Bad Cinderella seems to be the only positive change so far ( in London far too many children went to the show - parents thinking it was a Disney-like show). I saw it twice in the West End, and really enjoyed it. Yes , if you want to pick holes, the plot needed work . But it has enjoyable songs and it was a spectacle .Sadly Broadway will not have the spectacular revolve where the stage and front of the stalls revolves to put the stage in the middle of the theatre. The costume choice for Linedy in Bad Cinderella is ridiculous ( she has to be totally different to the other townspeople - thats the whole point of the show). Yes i expect ALW to blame everyone but himself when the show closes.
This might seem random, but I love to walk around theaters and look at the architecture. It also made me realize that not all musicals can fit every stage.
I just watched Kayla Says' video on the Broadway production and apparently there were a lot of families with young kids in the audience, so I think that message still hasn't been fully communicated
I watched it yesterday and now am a subscriber. She had me laughing like a duck.
I'm completely surprised that there are musical theatre performers out the who still want to work with ALW after what happened to the cast and crew of Cinderella in the West End ...
I just read an interview and I can understand why performers would work with him. Video goes up Thursday.
Even on the most basic level, its been so over done. You want a Cinderella who "isn't like the other girls" and is the different "edgey" girl? Literally look at ANY of the Disney Channel Original movie versions of Cinderella, and thar ya go
I think Ever After with Drew Barrymore was so well done and she was rebellious. Picking up that gypsy, dressing out of her station to save a fellow servant.
One plot point that's just glossed over in how Sebastian and cinderella are best friends. Yes, the Queen saw him different to charming but surely a town that up its own arse wouldn't let the second in line to the throne hang around with the one they all want to kill.
Good point! I want to know the changes that ALW has made or if he stands by his work.
They aren't paying attention to Prince Sebastian. They don't care about him and are very self absorbed.
I think there’s a huge problem in how quickly stories become shorthand; so in this case: “everyone knows how Cinderella stories go” so there’s no point in really *doing* anything with it beyond a fresh coat of paint, maybe changing some minor things (it’s not *the* Prince but his younger brother!) and that’s “all you need to do” to make this Cinderella; and that’s not how adaptations work; this show is clearly trying to be a new thing but it barely gets the point from the original so it doesn’t actually know where it can go from there; Mickey Jo and Wait in the Wings said it best: the show has a major identity crisis and it doesn’t look like that’s going to be properly addressed or fixed any time soon (if it will be at all)
I’m a big fan of Mickey Jo! It’s marketing 101 right? To know your audience or type of audience to bring in.
Stories like Cinderella have millions of variations from different countries across history, each with their own unique interpretation of the characters and events ,as well as the moral teachings within the tales ... The Cinderella most people are familiar with is a creation of Walt Disney.If you read Perraeult's Cendrillon she's very different in terms of personality to Walt's ... Here are some examples of what I mean :
Disney's 1950 Cinderella: a kind hopeful dreamer that looks in the bright side of things . Positivity is her greatest characteristic
Grimm's 1812 Aschenputtel: kind , but with severe anxiety issues,extremely insecure and her most highlighted characteristic is her indecisiveness
Perraeult's Cendrillon 1697 : Has low self esteem and low self worth ,fools around with her stepsisters when they tell her about the mystery girl,her being like :Yeeees keep telling me about that girl that I totally have no idea who she can possibly be 😜. Ask her older sister for a dress to see the mysterious princess but Charlotte declines and insults her , she's described as being relieved at her sisters response subtlety telling to the reader that she enjoys fooling everyone at the ball ( If you pay attention to the actual writings of the story you'll find that she's much more layered than people believe ) .Her greatest strength is her kindness and ability to forgive
Bassile's La Gatta Cenerentola 1634 :She commits murder at the beginning of the story,is actively spiteful towards her step family ... And overall very untraditional when it comes to Cinderella variants ... If you want to depict her as a spicy 🔥 female character Bassile's version is the right one for you ...
Lots of the old folk stories have unlimited potential with how many variations there are and each different creative mind giving each own unique interpretation of the events and characters and themes ... Into the Woods is a very good example of that ,the reason as to why it succeeded is that they knew what they wanted to do and how to do it well, same goes with Walt Disney's animated adaptation ... ALW half assed this project, just like most of his ... LOVE NEVER DIES is a good example of that,I personally agree with the critics on this one: He's terribly overrated
@@alexp.d3689 Rocky 1976. The Italian stallion is chosen out of the blue to attend a fight against well known Apollo Creed… 🤣 Ok I’ll stop, but you’re right there’s so many Cinderella stories out there that it baffles me how this went wrong because it such an easy storyline.
This is the first video of yours I've seen, but I am so thankful for the algorithm sending me here because this felt like chatting with a friend about this trainwreck of a show
Thank you! That’s exactly what I hope to achieve here. Being able to talk about musicals that we like or dislike and sharing why.
The god mothers motive was such a confusing plot point to me (and so much potential with the way she ended Act I in the west end version)
ok but the 1.5 sped up bad cinderella SLAPS
Right?!?!? I’m glad I’m not alone.
I am subscribed to Carrie Hope Fletcher and watched the amount of work put into the West End show. It was pretty shitty on ALW’s part to end it that way and expect better on Broadway.
I just subscriber to her today. A lot to catch up on!
Honestly I wished they had focused on beauty standards and how EXHAUSTING they can be and how you lose yourself keeping up with trends with others.
Agreed! Especially with so many unachievable or expensive standards.
I honestly think ALW is trying to pull off a 'The Producers' type heist. Like he is deliberately putting it out to fail and close down early and will apply for bankruptcy to cover his own losses. After calling it a 'costly mistake' then put up the funds to take it to Broadway only to make production decisions to the detriment to the plot and aesthetics, I find it really dodgy.
I’ve heard this multiple times! 🤣
I got to see the west end version at the end of May& hearing some of the plots with Mickey Joe & Wait In The Wings videos I was like oh yeah I complete forgot that happened in the show. Not a good sign if people forget things & it hasn't been a year since.
Love those glasses almost as much as Randy Rainbow's! 🕶️
You have given me a gift….. I went to go look up Randy and just watched Pink Glasses… now I’m a sub 🤣💖✨
They closed down phantom of the Opera for this
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Phantom didn’t close down for this. Phantom is an incredibly expensive show to run due to its high tech budget, big cast, and abnormally large orchestra size. For the show to even just make enough to run in todays market it had to be playing to an at least 85% sold out house, however for the last year it’s been unfortunately consistently only playing to 70-79% capacity meaning it’s been losing money.
@@gameworkers7583 I did a video on it and I’m glad it’s closed because it felt outdated and I want time before a revival happens. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great musical. Love to know your thoughts.
@@CareOffBook I 100% agree. Theatre isn’t meant to be permanent and phantom has outstayed it’s welcome!
I saw it in the West End and it was ok I liked it ish like my opinions were very much omg the cast was great rather than the story but I just don’t understand why ALW left the west end the way he did and then hop over to America whilst expecting there not to be any criticism. He said it was a costly mistake yet he’s doing it the same just in the US - make it make sense
I just read an article where he says that he meant doing the show after the pandemic was the costly mistake. Still, him not being there for the cast and sent a letter was poor taste.
You are right with speeding up the song!!! I love it!
I just hate that both the west end and Broadway performers, cast, & crew are just getting shit on
THEY ARE AMAZING PEOPLE
It's the book & lyrics that are the problem, it's been the problem since the concept album
And yeah the Broadway version from what I've seen in clips did everyone wrong with the costuming choices and I don't want to even fault the costumer because at this point WHO KNOWS who's decision that was tbh
And Webber just ugghh I can't
He did it with Sunset, then countless of other shows, and he's just going to point fingers at everyone but himself
Make the show better because you belive in it, not for tik tok or fame or hype,
Tooo many people believe in this show for years and he's dragged them through the mud
And idk who else gets a say but whoever helped with the book and lyrics just need to sit with ALW and somehow change it
Cause everyone else from house and cast and crew since even before west end have continually been performing at the HIGHEST LEVEL and you can't scream at them again for a review that was warranted from NY Andrew
ALW’s ego and pockets are in the way 😢
@@CareOffBook EXACTLY!!!
I feel like the the fairytale part of Taylor Swift's "Bejeweled" Music Video is the energy that Bad Cinderella is supposed to have but it doesn't.
YES! The musical needs to be workshopped.
@@CareOffBook I think you hit the nail on the head as to why this isn’t great: it ended up as a rush job, because ALW wanted to be among the first new West End shows to premiere post-pandemic. It NEEDS more workshopping. I think if they had tried to course correct a few of these points before opening night, it could have been a vastly different show. There were parts that were already promising (CHP killed the titular song, and a few of the main plot points and twists had potential) but others that needed a rewrite or complete scrapping.
It sucks because there are a few shows that had fantastic songs written into horrible plots, so they may never get performed again. Case In Point for me: The Mad Hatter from Wonderland.
I do feel bad for the broadway cast they are getting so much hate and they don’t deserve the hate ..,
Really? I see a lot of love on social media towards the cast
I see both. The only negative thing I would read was about technique and pitch. New video coming Thursday about and interview with Linedy and Carolee. Very interesting.
@@MarcusMartn yes there has been love but there also has been a lot of hate too ..
@@CareOffBook I love Carolee and such a huge fan of hers ❤️I got to meet her back in December at 1776 ❤️
Dude the 1.25 speed helps SO MUCH (lyrics are still embarrassingly “I’m not like other girls”) like so much better I was shocked why they haven’t done that. You could even keep the first part slow then speed it up when we hit the first “call me bad Cinderella”
I just saw the Broadway show this past Saturday and I loved it! ❤ I dont know why Bad Cinderella has received so many bad reviews. Im sorry you didnt like it. It seems like you are taking this show too literal. Its a musical not a documentary. I judge a show based on whether I sang the songs after leaving the show or googled them. I did both in this case! I cant say the same for other so called hits like Mean Girls, Waitress, or Legally Blonde which had forgetable songs. Bad Cinderella had at least 5 that I want on my playlist. Influencers are jumping on the bandwagon and attacking Bad Cinderella because they know its an easy way to get likes and followers. They need to come up with some original content instead.
I’ve seen influencers appreciate it. I haven’t seen Waitress, Mean Girls I was shocked that I enjoyed it (but you’re right the music can be forgetful), and Legally Blonde is amazing and I comfortable using Legally Blonde jargon in everyday life! 🤣💖✨
For me it’s like if Tom Tom had won that pitch for the Poise cover. This lives in that timeline.
I agree why ANOTHER Cinderella? I did see bad Cinderella on broadway in previews I liked it
I think it’s entertaining, but was the plot holes fixed?
I like your sense of style
Can we talk about the glasses without glasses?
😅 spot on. I love the frames, but hated how my grandma would cheat off of them when playing cards. 🤣
I feel like ALW didn't actually fix what was wrong with the show, (the plot and the book clearly needed work) but the clips I saw from the west end and the recordings were fantastic. They had a great cast. And honestly I prefer the west end cast recording. The Broadway recording of the titular song "Bad Cinderella" has been changed so much and I honestly don't like it at all. I think it had potential, but the story needed some serious rewrites
100% agree
I agree. The lyrics seem so bland now. I just listened to the Broadway version of "I know I have a Heart" - my favourite song in the show - and the Broadway version has lost all it's... er... 'ooomph'!
It did have potential, and CHF was f*cking amazing with what she was given...Emerald Fennell did a great job of doing a bit of re-imagining as well…
I have a personal challenge to find a video review of Bad Cinderalla that doesn't mention Mickey Jo. 😅 BUT, I love your review and perspectives so I'm your newest subscriber! Yay!
Ha “one does not simply talk about Bad Cinderella without Mickey Jo.” He hasn’t announced it, but my guess is he’s visiting NY to see it himself! If so I can’t wait to hear his thoughts.
I just watch these videos to comment on my love for CHF. She & Ivan & the rest of the cast did not deserve the treatment ALW gave them. Hope Linedy is wary of what might happen.
There’s a New York Times Article interviewing Linedy and Carolee. I’ll do a video about it on Thursday, but I think they are thrilled to say that they’re working with the household name ALW.
@@CareOffBook CHF said the same thing at the start 😬
@@mollycblaeser 😳😳😳
@@mollycblaeser And now she calls him He who must not be named, and in her holiday Pantones they named her evil t rex wench men Andrew and loyd, I thin he is burning more bridges than he should, cause both the west end and Broadway are small and close nit community's and f he screws New York actors and actresses and crew over then there will be no shows once phantom closes in New York , the unions will have a field day with him if he dares pull a west end like that on Broadway.
I can't help but feel like the "title track" is a rather forgettable song. Like, it doesn't even repeat in my head other than questioning the lyric choices.
bad cinderella is the closest thing we’ll get to descendants 4
Have you seen Ever After High?
Surely he's going to loose a lot more money on the broadway play.
I think your predictions about the show's fate on Broadway, and ALW's reaction to that fate, are absolutely correct. With all the confusion about character motivations in the show, what I don't understand is ALW's motivation in producing a show that flops in the West End and then turning right around and taking it, unfixed, to Broadway, where audiences are harder to please and where ALW is not nearly such a big deal as he is in London, and expecting it to be a hit there. Is he that cocooned from reality? Of course he is.
the west end one is so much better
The book and songs need work. I'm shocked to see that Emerald made this. After coming off of Promising Young Woman, I expected more from her.
Book: why is Cinderella bad? If uniformity is the norm and beauty has a price, let Cinderella be the only authentic girl in town. The book can still focus on the superficial look that the town has on beauty, but let Cinderella be beautiful from the inside: caring, loving, forgiving.
However this clashes with the current transformation and ball scene. Maybe at her lowest of points, desperate to help her old time friend, she transforms, only in appearance, to fool the Queen together. However during the ball, despite her to them horrible appearance, they realize that they are really in love. Have a simple miscommunication like in the current musical lead to a fallout between the two. And the Prince repents by giving up his status or superficial "beauty" to the Godmother, returning Cinderella's necklace to her and declaring his love for her.
The gay Brother subplot can go, the superficial godmother and town can stay. Just be clear of what true beauty is according to the new show.
The message is perhaps a bit overdone in recent years, but it's still relevant as ever.
Songs: The weakest part IMHO. All the songs are derivative, meandering, just plain boring. ALW should retire at this point.
Opening: Belleville - incredible poppy, everything's great here advertisement song in the vein of Wicked's One Short Day.
Bad Cinderella: let's focus on juxtaposing the view of her with what she actually wants. No good deed vibes.
Only you, lonely you: give the Prince wants and ambitions of his own, realizing at the end that he's learned what to prioritize through the bond with his childhood friend.
Just some suggestions, I've been thinking way too much about this musical in the last few months 😅
I think you would enjoy an episode I did where I say let’s try to fix it, meaning workshop the show. The comment section is great because people come up with creative ideas to help the show. Overall it’s fun because to me workshop is a way to explore and play. As far as your comment I agree and for the prince to trade his looks or even if it’s a trait everyone talks about. For example if he wasn’t as good looking a his brother, but has the best hair. So by the end of the show he’s bald. 🤣
@@CareOffBook I'll be sure to make that the next video I watch 😍 I'm curious to see what your suggestions are and what you've come up with😁
You had me laughing out loud with the idea of the Prince being bald at the end of the show. 🤣 I think it would be most fitting if both the characters had to lose something in order to end up with each other. 💘
I did see it yesterday … I really enjoyed it and had lots of fun ❤️
As far as the music, book, and performance?
@@CareOffBook performance was amazing ❤️Book and score I loved ❤️
Things I don't understand, she sings about being a bad cinderella and not doing or caring what anyone thinks. Then why go to a plastic surgeon? I see her going to a super goth godmother who even makes her more unlike everyone with almost a cruella entrance. I'm not sure why the plot jumps back here. I am also NOT a fan of "gay used as a big plot twist to show how inclusive we are" when you never establish the character without any character development. I hear the stepmother and queen are the best part, a show about them may work!
I haven’t even thought about the script using a “gay” twist for shock value. You’re so right. I do wish that when the reprise Man’s Man was happening that the Prince used those lyrics when introducing the duke. “For I am a Man’s man.” It’s hard to describe it through text. 🤣 As far as Cinderella I believe she cares about what Sebastian thinks of her and the Stepmother puts it in her head that he would never choose her compared to others at the ball. I AM ALL FOR A STORY ABOUT THE QUEEN AND STEPMOTHER!!!!
I am going to see it on Saturday. I do wanna give the show a chance . The cast does deserve it .,
Let me know what you think once you see it!
@@CareOffBook I will ❤️
Hope you love it as much as I did in London
I was thinking about this... if you feel ALW is solely responsible because he has final say, would you give him full credit for every department of the production if the show was a huge hit, and ignore everyone else's contribution??
Yes and no. The production itself is produced from his company that on the website says he wholly owns. So I do put more responsibility on him. Something I go back and forth with is wondering if he is hands on with the projects or he hires people and has no vision, so he lets them do whatever. 🤷🏼♀️
Balls Cinderella. TOP TEXT, BOTTOM TEXT
CHF is a way better singer/actress than the one on Broadway
I really liked Sebastian's character. Plot holes van be fixed.....hopefully
400th subscriber! Really wish I would’ve found your videos sooner 😊 really looking forward to more
I just posted on my insta!!! Thank you 🙏🏼
Carried hope Fletcher was incredible. It was amazing to watch her perform in the closing week of the show.
I loved the stand she took for her fans. She met us all at stage door. She wanted to remember who was important the Audience.
I can't stand the idea of this in the states.
Who wants it? What is the point?
Only thing I can guess is when you all keep it relevant by reviewing it there is attention and funds being produced for a has been Creator 😡
Damn, this is a situation of a musical. Haha. I don't really have any opinions, though I listened to the song sped up & agree that it was much more enjoyable/seemed to fit much better.
Whats up with the fake glasses with no glass in them >?
I just like them. 🤷🏼♀️
This video aged well! This show is a disaster. I like Carries version way better!
I saw Cinderella 4 times in London, and absolutely loved it, shame on you ALW for cancelling it at very short notice
It’s just bad…all the way around
Loved the west end version gutted it came to an end and the way he spoke about his staff well shame on you alw
I hope it’s an instant flop in America not for the cast but because he cut a brilliant show here in the uk
Okay okay but like the thing we aren't all talking about the fatphobia in the transfer. We went from a mid/plus sized protagonist to someone who barely stands out. It was just another difference between Cinderella and the rest of Belleville. And like... they just got rid of it. But no one's talking about it.
Costume changes. Yes. So much. But why aren't we addressing the elephant in the room. Especially in a show about beauty and self love.
I guess I never really thought about it in that way. I saw it more as awkward that the show tries to convince the audience that Linedy wasn’t already the conventional beauty standard.
@Performance Perspective Oh I agree. But it's so frustrating as a plus sized woman to see ALW & the production team deem my body type as one of the changes because "American audiences can't handle it."
I really wish this musical and ALW would just go away, stop trying to make fetch happen.
…. 😳…. I swear this is the exact wording I’d say to my husband….. are you spying on me? 🤣
Any chance someone could share link to the pro shoot?
I’ll also put this in the description 🙏🏼 th-cam.com/video/3qPYi5qfbJg/w-d-xo.html
The musical needed more time and work before going to stage… It is a mess
Workshopping is key!
Someone convinced ALW that doing a woke Cinderella would be profitable. He apparently never heard the wise saying "get woke, go broke". So this show will fail. Again. And he will still not understand why.
As for me, I'll be enjoying watching the hole thing burn down, with my popcorn 🍿
Is it entertaining and enjoyable? Is the music good; the songs are brilliant. Is there no WOW factor? The best available choreographers, sets, costume design and music and yet u slate it 😮😢
I think that I gave constructive criticism, but if your take is different that’s fine. Your perspective is yours to share. 💖
No lie I just listen to some of Cinderella’s ballads on 1.25x and they somehow sound so much better and fit better in the show.
Thank you! Such an easy fix.
Yes I agree with everything you said, but what you and a lot of reviewers seem to be doing is making out like everything wrong with the show is ALW . You mentioned how bad the book is ( and yes it is bad) but you never mentioned Emerald Fennell. You mentioned the costumes but never mentioned Gabriela Tylesova. I'm also surprised you never spoke how awful the lyrics are by David Zippel - i personally found them Laughable at times. When i first saw the pro shot of Bad Cinderella my first thought was to see who choreographed it as, like you said she's conforming with the towns folk which goes against everything she is. I didnt say "oh God ALW got it wrong" i blame the choreographer or even the director. I know his name is the biggest out of all the above mentioned but he is still only a part, granted a big part, of the show not the whole thing. So to keep blaming, or only using his name to blame for the failings of this show seems a bit mean spirited and dare I say lazy.
I can’t speak for others, but the reason I didn’t fully go into the choreographer and costumer for the broadway production is because I was focused on the 35 second pro-shot. I would like to see more in order to share an opinion on someone’s work. As far as Zippel, you’re right, the line “I want to be hot” continues to make me laugh. I want to hear the broadway soundtrack to see if there’s changes to the lyrics. I don’t know if this show is trying to go for “the producers” effect. 🤣 In my opinion, I do place a lot of responsibility on ALW because he is the creative director. Everything presented had to be approved by ALW.
@@CareOffBook yes I get that. Tell you what does make me laugh the one thing people don't mention his name with much is the music lol. The music tries to be "pop" "six" etc but it's just too Lloyd Webber. I do Want to point out even though I'm not a fan of this show, he did compose my favourite musical, Sunset Blvd.
@@paulskinner7245 Confession…… I’ve never seen it! I will though I promise. 🙏✨
ALW is the power behind the show. He would approve everything or say something needs to be changed. I think he’s stubborn or has a team of “yes” people. There seems to be major holes in the book. Fix that so the show makes sense? Plus, the title. She’s “bad” because she doesn’t conform to society’s norms? Seems a poor choice. I think ALW wants a big hit, wants to be contemporary like Hamilton, etc, plus figures fantasy type shows have staying power (Wicked, all of the Disney shows, Moulin Rouge). All of those shows have solid plots, which are resolved at show’s end.
ALW didn't actually say the show was a costly mistake, he was referring to the shows opening and closing and reopenings. If they had held off opening the show till a few months down the line, it would have been much easier and cheaper, because they wouldnt had to stop and start. Also, what you talked about doesn't really seem to be ALW's fault. He didn't write the book and he didn't direct it. What the show needed from the start was a director who knew how to stage and shape a new musical. To be able to say to ALW, this isn't working, how about we try this, or maybe do some rewrites during previews. Yes they did make a few, but nothing you would really notice.Laurence Connor only restage someone else's work (Les Mis/Miss Saigon) As for the costumes now looking the same, again, not ALW. If you want to bash the show and find fault, at least blame the right people.
I do have an opinion about “costly mistake” remark. Future video coming up reacting to an article and they bring this up. I do place a lot of responsibility on ALW because he has final say on these departments. If Beyonce did a music video and the look was off, the story wasn’t great, and the song just wasn’t it. The community looks to Beyoncé instead of the stylist, videographer, and song writer because Beyonce’ has the right to say “this isn’t working.” That’s just my perspective.
@@CareOffBook But ALW didn't produce the show. It was done by his company, RUG, who had a specific team to produce and manage Cinderella. Just because his name was above the title doesnt mean that he had final say on every department. You don't hire professionals at that level to do a job and then go round micromanaging everything to within an inch of it's life. All the departments come together towards a central goal and put their best work forward. If some of it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but that doesn't mean ALW is to blame. Of course, thats not to say that ALW didn't give his opinion anyway, wanted or not, but thats not having the final say.
@@DDTC73 do you feel ALW shouldn’t take any responsibility or just some since there were others involved? I’m not asking in a condescending matter I genuinely would like to know.
@Performance Perspective Of course he has to take some responsibility, he wrote the music for it and some of that music is terrible. I also think alot of David Zppel's lyrics are atrocious and i find it hard to get my head around how the same guy who wrote the witty, sharp and clever lyrics to City of Angels, is the same guy who wrote this. So by your book, you believe ALW is ultimately responsible for those bad lyrics, because he has final say?
You need a Hal Prince to save this show and he is dead. The man saved Phantom all those years ago.
Why are you dressed like it’s 1986?
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The GLASSES though 😅