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What I was expecting: An almost hour long scripted documentary on the history of ALW Cinderella What I got: “Did London have the glass ass?” “The what?” “THE GLASS ASS”
I will say that there's a TH-camr (MickeyJo Theatre) who is basically the unofficial Bad Cinderella historian and he talked a lot about the West End run, if you are interested in that! EDIT: Apparently he's in here - what I get for commenting before watching lol.
WITW, the unofficial Beetlejuice historian, speaking with the Mickey Jo, the unofficial Bad Cinderella/ALW Cinderella historian, is exactly what I needed
The fact that Mickey is featured in this video is the ultimate proof that he is now the king of Bad Cinderella/Cinderella content and literally will never be free from this damn show 😂
@@Kristine_202 He talked about flying to New York for the first time in March. I wonder if curiosity will make him forget having seen the London production three times!
"...& so I asked, "Andrew, what is this about? Is this allegory, where the mother is Queen Elizabeth & the step-parent is the Tories & the Cinderella is Charles?"...& there was this long painful pause before he said, "Hal, it's about Bad Cinderellas." & we never discussed it again."
There are so many different versions of Cinderella at this point that it's hard to actually be subversive, because everyone has already tried to "subvert" Cinderella
I will never understand why people feel the need to make more versions of Cinderella. Like just off the top of my head- Ella Enchanted, A Cinderella Story (the one with Hilary duff), Another Cinderella Story (the one with Selena gomez), A Cinderella Story (the one with Lucy Hale), Cinderella (the one with lily james), the awful Amazon prime Cinderella, ENOUGH. No one wants more Cinderella. It was never even really a compelling story to begin with, why is it like the number 1 fairy tale people want to make and remake over and over??
Listening to the two of you, it sounds like they were going to do that modern, girlboss, "I'm not like other Cinderellas" story, but when they got scooped by that dreadful Camilla Cabello/James Corden Amazon movie, desperately tried to rewrite into something else and couldn't find a new angle to justify its own existence.
Aside from the testicle dress theory and the other theory of the dress being a "W" for Webber, my theory as a graphic designer was the dress is a spray painted upside-down heart - the traditional Cinderella being a love story, and this story being a love story still but not in the traditional sense of Cinderella. But, despite designers best intentions, sometimes you can do your best but you still end up looking like balls. 😅
I was definitely assuming it was supposed to be an upside down heart. If they had actually completed the point, it would have looked less like a ball sack too. :P
I always assumed it was supposed to look like the glass slipper but was pink because of the neon color scheme of the original graphic design? Whatever it was, it wasn't done well if there's this much confusion lol
Funny you mention this since some theories about the origins of the heart shape state that it started off upside down since it looked like balls and represented fertility.
My (not literally) older brother finally got cast in his first broadway show. I was so happy, I sobbed. This guy introduced me to theater. Because of him, I joined theater camps every summer, started auditioning for commercials, etc. My life is literally on a different track because I met him. He's in the ensemble of Bad Cinderella. I'm so incredibly proud. I'm also like.... so sad for him. This cast is working incredibly hard, but the material?? (side eye). Ultimately I know that this material will look amazing on his resume and that he deserves to be up on that stage, I'm just worried about how long the show will run
Genuinely sending you and him the best of wishes. Hopefully either another ensemble finds a spot for him and scoops him up and/or he’s able to find a project he really loves and is happy with!
Congratulations to him! Just because the show has issues doesn’t make his achievement any less important. With a Broadway musical credit on his CV, he’ll have better opportunities. And you can get some inside goss (the hot tea, if you will) from him as a cast member.
literally! I've seen so many people saying it's disrespectful to the performers to criticise the material even though I'd agree that the performers give it their all, wishing him all the best in his career!
My brain: Carrie is part of a strange little legacy family in the UK. Her brother, Tom, is part of McFly. He’s also a children’s book author. Her sister in law, Giovanna aka Gi, is a writer and also won I’m A Celebrity. Carrie’s credits include two little shows called Mary Poppins and Les Mis. There’s even more backstory I could go into within the state of TH-cam from 2008-2015. And to think ALW was all “I discovered this big star in the making” when she already was a star? Oh Andrew. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Babes. Babes.
i was a HUGE fan of her youtube channel back in the day and i was SO excited when she got les mis. she's so talented and it's been so cool to see her go from strength to strength.
One of the things I was warned about creating art is that you should never name your creation something that makes for an easy reviewer pun. "Bad Cinderella: It sure is!" etc, etc, etc. It's just a bad omen
There was a movie in the 2000's, which name could be translated as "The Best Movie". The people behind it claimed that the name was chosen to ensure the positive reviews, because nobody could say anything bad about it with a name like that. The thing is, people found a way 😅
I think Carrie Hope Fletcher and Patti LuPone need to start an ALW leading ladies support group. Edit: Also Sarah Brightman! How could I have forgotten her?
''you can't do camp, camp is bestowed upon you''. I feel like the phrase 'big personality' should have the same understanding. i like that quote. Really enjoyable discourse too. eta HOW oh Lord HOW did tiktok ooze into everything? I'm surprised I don't find tiktok spewing out when my elevator doors open these days
I noticed this as you mentioned the difference between the two Cinderella costumes how West End is sort of a UK gothic vibe... how did I never realize that her coat is made of a Tartan material? So yeah, it makes Mickey's call out the Broadway Cinderella is sort of Janis of Mean Girls esthetic all the more clear that the costume designer is aiming for a sort of... counterculture Cinderella vibe but has adapted the look from UK culture to US culture. Which... also says a lot about how they view America counterculture as an early 2000s Disney channel movie best friend.
@@timeforlaurynsopinion5138 or even 80s metal. The costume designers needed to reevaluate their ideas for counterculture design. It's never going to be the style of the wacky best friend in a 2000s Disney Channel sitcom
I think ALW’s time passed LONG ago. I’m going to Bad Cinderella next week only because the lead is Latina and that happens so rarely. I knew it would be bad, but I thought it would be like &Juliet bad where it’s still fun. Now I’m dreading it. As for this possibly being ALW’s last show - I agree with Mickey Jo, mostly because people like ALW are wildly stubborn and egotistical. I don’t think he will ever try to adapt with the times or accept that his time has passed.
He parted company with Cameron mackintosh after the phantom closing debacle. Covid shut down that show and they lost a ton of money. Cameron mackintosh was control freak and perfectionist. After phamton shut that was the end of that partnership.
&Juliet is only cheesy, but it is SUCH FUN! Especially when those jukebox songs are somehow nostalgic. It is also hilarious - I am sad it is ending in London. Hope you enjoy Bad Cinderella though. It is a bit cringy, but I still had some fun but would not particularly see it again.
My theory on the broadway Cinderella costume is that there are so many normal people who THINK and CLAIM that they're alt or rebellious but really arnt and that this bad Cinderella is for them and not ACTUALL alt or rebellious folks
I took my father to see Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat at Sydney's Capitol Theatre, Andrew Lloyd Webber's legacy is thorny and complicated but when you see a good version of one of his shows it's magic on the stage with production values galore. I'm not sure I'm going to rush out to see Bad Cinderella but I am fascinated by where this fits in the vast scope of musical history.
Agreed! I think Starlight Express is definitely Andrew Lloyd Webber's weakest show (and the man has had a lot of clunkers), but I saw it on tour when I was a kid. Maybe it's the childhood nostalgia, maybe it's because it was one of the early nights in a new city, but fuck was it memorable in a good way. Can't say the man doesn't try and he does at least sometimes (like 5% of the time) respect the other aspects of theatre lol
i had a similar experience in melbourne! my nanna took my mum to see phantom 17 years ago so when it came to the arts centre this year my mum took me. there were so many mothers and daughters our age there and i think a lot of them were probably having the same full-circle moment we were. it's strange and almost sad that alw somehow went from that to.......this.
if i had a nickel every time someone in 2022 made a musical version of cinderella where she wasnt like other girls, i’d have two nickels but still weird that it’s happened twice
Hear me out.! "Bad Chandeliera": A musical told from the point of view of the Paris Opera Chandelier. Their opening song "I'm falling for you!" and their act two ballid " Your singing brings me down!". Your move Sir Andrew.....😅
LOVE this collab! I've been riveted by Mickey Jo's coverage of (Bad) Cinderella. This musical has broken my brain... just HOW the book could be so bad? How would I fix it? I've seriously spent HOURS thinking about it lolllll. As a pro-writer and someone who has done classic romance retellings, I remain baffled how anyone thought the story, as-is, was working. (I do think I have a pretty good grasp of how to "fix" Bad Cinderella while retaining some of the better songs, but it would be a gut job/near-total rewrite to make it work...) And the biggest mystery: how much did ALW tinker with/force-guide Fennel's book? I remain flabbergasted that it came from her...
Does your rewrite include the godmother orchestrating the entire thing, from Charming's disappearance onwards, to get the two princes where they need to be by the end of the show? Because if she's secretly a benevolent force working behind it all to ensure that Charming marries his beau rather than some random woman, and that the totally unsuited for royal life Sebastian can run off with Cinders, the plot kinda falls into place imo.
I've also spent a lot of time thinking about how it would work and concluded it would just need basically re-written! I'd be interested to hear your ideas! I also wondered that about how much of Fennel's ideas were changed...
When I first heard about Bad Cinderella, I wanted to avoid it because it seemed like ALW was running out of ideas and originality. Really sick of the concept of "not like other girl"/"girlboss" Cinderellas. I love the Cinderella story, but it's a fairy tale a lot of people didn't understand. The more I hear about this musical, the more I wanna throw up. Thanks for making this video, however!
The writers of Cinderella retellings always feel so confident in the idea that they're doing something unique and special with the story by depicting their Cinderella character as assertive and quirky, only to neglect that most CInderella adaptations in the last few decades have done the same thing (I, personally, think it'd be a lot more distinct a vision if they committed harder to the prince plot twist at the end and just made the entire thing a gay love story. They could have easily written Cinderella as a lesbian and made her prince love interest a closeted princess who is terrified of the consequences of coming out as a monarch. It would also justify Cinderella’s rebellious attitude a lot more if she was bitter that she was surrounded by heteronormative bigots. )
@@RariettyC i kinda thought the amazon prince cinderella w camilla cabello was gonna have a plot twist like that, i was CONVINCED the prince was gay and in love w one of his friends lmao
To rewatch MIckeyJo's face at the moment the glass ass entered the lexicon (start at 32:35) is EVERYTHING. Please become besties who collab!Love you both so much.
Spitting image sketch There is an art auction and the man says who wants to pay ten million pounds for this painting alw me...me..me Ad break Man to crowd who wants to pay 20 million quid to kick this annoying little shit out of the country. Us...us...us
Listening to both of you about this show having not seen it, it sounds like 2 very hung over people trying to describe how they both made it back to the hotel for a wedding after getting lost at the bachelor party. *This is FORKING Brilliant*
Looking for a songwriter to help me put together Tax Fraud Cinderella. I envision it ending like Drat! The Cat! where Tax Fraud Cinderella ends up in the permanent custody of the IRS investigator who finds them (and they’re madly in love with each other so totally okay with this, obviously).
I'm still so pissed they erased the mid/plus sized aspect of Cinderella in the transfer. But no one wants to talk about it. Which is so frustrating as a plus sized actress to see. Also, I'm not a fan of the Broadway costume changes. They look very cheap and quickly made... and not thought through. Also.... I really wish they would've transferred Carrie. Bad review or not. I know she was flying back & forth at some point.
I think the greatest thing this show has given us were the advertisements "From the legendary composer behind Jesus Christ Superstar, Evita, Cats, and The Phantom of the Opera. Comes something... BAD." I have the mailer ads that they sent out and I framed it and hung it on my wall because it made me laugh so much when I first saw it. I will probably go see it just for Jordan Dobson. I work at Hadestown and he came in for a bit to cover Orpheus when Reeve was out. he is such a sweetheart and was SOOOOO great in that role!!
The pain of watching the development of this show from the sides. The concept was so hackneyed. Especially because there was a glut of rebel Cinderellas in the 00s. It wasn't just done it been overdone. The last thing theatre land needed was more half assed fairytales. The National Theatre does one every 3 years. *edit* ALW report is amazing 👏🏾
I will never understand why people feel the need to make more versions of Cinderella. Like just off the top of my head- Ella Enchanted, A Cinderella Story (the one with Hilary duff), Another Cinderella Story (the one with Selena gomez), A Cinderella Story (the one with Lucy Hale), Cinderella (the one with lily james), the awful Amazon prime Cinderella, ENOUGH. No one wants more Cinderella. It was never even really a compelling story to begin with, why is it like the number 1 fairy tale people want to make and remake over and over??
@@SuzER08there are versions of Cinderella all over the world like the first Cinderella story was apparently from Egypt, anyways even if a story doesn’t explicitly state they are a Cinderella story a lot of romances will have elements of Cinderella in it, just the premise of a poor or average girl meeting a guy who has the ability to change her life is simply a desirable romantic fantasy to many because who doesn’t want to have riches and luxuries from someone being in love with you. Like Cinderella IS the blueprint for poor girl rich guy stories
When my wife and I first heard the London soundtrack, we decided it was the most Andrew Lloyd-Webber musical of all Andrew-Lloyd Webber musicals. His musical stamps are all over it. You could not mistake this soundtrack for any other composer's work. I have a morbid fascination with the show, thanks to the soundtrack and to MickeyJo's videos. Hearing your take was amazing. I hope it survives long enough for a pro shot to be made.
I would love for you to do a video about Panto. Like, I feel like there are a lot of theatre fans here in the US that do not understand British pantomime and what it really is as a style of theater. I just think that would be a really cool video to illustrate what it is and it’s difference from the theatre that we know here.
Seconding this, especially if you could get a guest who’s familiar with the history of panto! It’s so different from what we have here in the States, with its own distinct set of tropes (including audience participation to a degree we don’t really do in the US!) and sense of humor. If nothing else you’ll probably have a really fun time looking up clips!
Near the end of December I got one of Mickey Jo's videos on the West End fiasco in my feed (the one where he reacts to ALW's "charming" letter on closing night), then went to his channel and realized it wasn't the only one lol. I had heard about the drama when it first happened and didn't realize just how bad the whole situation was, but after seeing people meme the infamous "spray painting announcement" a few months prior I just had to know what happened with the Broadway transfer coming up (I binged like 4 of his vids from the saga and just became more and more flabbergasted). Listening to you two now "comparing" the two versions is way funnier than it should be, it's fascinating to me how ALW has such a big ego that he can't realize HE'S the main reason why the show isn't great both on the West End and Broadway. At least the cast/crew seems to be giving it their all, fingers crossed they don't get the same treatment as the previous one
Awesome. Id love to see even more collabs between you two. Its interesting to see the perspectives. Theater on Broadway and theater on the West End are different in some ways and its fun to see how each of you sees your respective areas.
When you say "tik-tok" ready, that makes me think of Finn McKenty's statement on the current state of metal/pop punk where artists aren't writing good songs, they're trying to write these catchy short sections that can be used to make viral tik-toks and either having a heap of lazy rubbish either side of these sections or they're trying to stitch together lots of these sections so the song doesn't work as a full composition...
I’m a musical theater neophyte so just getting to witness this conversation on what sounds like another baffling Sir Lloyd Webber production is fascinating! This is my first time watching Mickey Jo and he’s delightful! I subbed to his channel immediately! Thanks for this! 😂🤣
ALW's Cinderella was the first show that I was very tempted to walk out on. I just really didn't like a lot of it and wish I left with the family who complained to theatre staff about the content not far away from me.
yes! even the actual come uppance in the beginning, the townsfolk are out for blood but just end up tying her to a tree that she gets freed from anyway and then can go about her business like nothing really happened. the step family isnt publicly shamed for her antics, the step family seem to also not punish her extra for her antics so its like she has a day job of cleaning for them and serving them ...and then on her down time she commits gentle acts of vandalism and gets to clock back in. the status quo isnt up ended either. like the step mother alludes that she recalls the queen came from low standing but nothing comes from that and at the end the queen isn't unseated or challenged, even Sebastian agrees to do what she wants when he thinks he's lost everything. There seems to be like no stakes.
Wow, it’s gonna be really hard for Cinderella to get her necklace back after midnight, actually, it’s gonna be super easy barely an inconvenience. I died at the part.🤪
I have a feeling this is going to be one of those shows like Carrie the musical that gets a cult following and done by summer youth camps or a drag show.
Regarding the anecdotes about Lloyd Webber looking & acting unhappy / grumpy, I think we need to consider his son was dying at the time, and cut the guy some slack. Webber almost certainly knew that was going to lose his son during this time, so I'm sure keeping any composure was a struggle. No amount of money's gonna buffer anyone from that pain.
I saw Bad Cinderella last night and they announced it was closing on June 4th today. I did hear the ALW announcement at the beginning. It was an interesting show.
The one thing I can definitely say about Bad Cinderella is that it's an experience. It felt like watching a trainwreck and riding a roller-coaster at the same time, and somehow I can't remember half of it. I would 100% go watch the show if I was in the area, but I wouldn't travel just to see it.
i think (bad) cinderella has the capacity to be a good show if they went back to the drawing board and went over the theme and the plot and also maybe if somebody who isn't alw had written it
I was there on the first night preview too, just to see all the drama unfold. Fairytale marketing is not to be believed, I blame myself if I have been deceived. One thing that bothered me the most is you can see the sparkly tops of the cups of her ball dress under her outfit shirt from the very beginning as she dances. It’s not like we didn’t know we’d have a gown reveal in a show called Cinderella. Sure we’d suspect it was built into her outfit, but it could have been hidden way better. Every other major complaint about the book and the lyrics relating to it from the British version seems to still be there. I also didn’t realize Prince Charming’s very bizarre story song (from the cast album) wasn’t actually in the British version either. Here I was thinking it was cut.
I was waiting for this and I was surprised it hadn't popped up yet in my subscriptions... Then I realised I wasn't subscribed to you and I apologise 🙏🏼 this was so entertaining, I loved to understand more of this production! And I have already subscribed of course😅 to mend my error in going to binge a bit hehe
We try to review shows positively and go into new shows blind so we form our own opinion. We saw it on Broadway and our positive review can be summed up to “stepmother and queens costumes were nice.” 😬🙄 The ALW resting face comment 💀💀
it's been a while since i've paid attention, but seems odd since i want to say oleksinski seemed to love the cast and score, with his main 3 bullet points being: cut 30 minutes of filler, punch up the comedy, and level up the sets and costumes.. . sooooo, somehow webber's takeaway was to berate/deflate the cast, write more songs, and simplify the sets and costumes? if oleksinski was the pivot point then webber wasn't reading the same review i did (or chose not to listen to a single critique).
Andrew Lloyd Webber's musicals are for me the rhinestone jewellery under the musicals, shiny, opulent, but without real substance and fake. Another word of choice to describe Webber's musical would be McDonald fast food.
@@LynnHermione But maybe you like it more when I write that Webber's musicals are pourly written, musically and all of the storylines. He is very good in promoting, but the musicals for themselves are bad, especially his late works, where it shows that he lost his mojo. Nowadays he lives from his name, no one would speak about "Bad Cinderella" without the label "Andrew Lloyd Webber" , because it would never on West End or Broadway stages.
@@LynnHermione Which of the two commentaries do you prefer, Sweetheart? I want to know, the satirical one or the one that describes his bad work. I know, none of them is fangirly enough for your wounded soul, but hey, that's a you-problem.
As someone who has never heard of this musical until now..... I'm sucked in! Thank you for this video! I can't wait to do my own deep dives into this trainwreck!
I think an interesting way to change the book is have Cinderella transformation BE permanent. I think then you have Cinderella trying to figure out who she is while also trying to not be caught as she was the girl who got embarrassed at the ball. I think them you have her learning to love herself, as who she is.
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@WaitintheWings they changed her costume??? If you see the GMA performance, she has something different on...I think....
West End: our Cinderella is a gothy, alternative girl
Broadway: our Cinderella is Lizzie McGuire
Lizzie doesn't deserve this 😭
We already have Hillary Duff in "A Cinderella Story". Broadway truly has nothing original to bring to the table
West End had Original Mean Girls Goth Janice, Broadway has Mean Girls the Musical Janice (the costumes look almost identical)
Broadway: we have Lizzie McGuire at home
the Lizzie McGuire at home:
What I was expecting: An almost hour long scripted documentary on the history of ALW Cinderella
What I got: “Did London have the glass ass?”
“The what?”
“THE GLASS ASS”
I will say that there's a TH-camr (MickeyJo Theatre) who is basically the unofficial Bad Cinderella historian and he talked a lot about the West End run, if you are interested in that! EDIT: Apparently he's in here - what I get for commenting before watching lol.
@@milsthebard1085 Oh I've watched that entire playlist lol I was so excited to see him here!
@@milsthebard1085 not only is he in here- he's in the whole video
LOL. in good humor. cheers!
in London it was the glarse arse
Glass Ass: A Knives Out Mystery
WITW, the unofficial Beetlejuice historian, speaking with the Mickey Jo, the unofficial Bad Cinderella/ALW Cinderella historian, is exactly what I needed
Mickey Jo is the *official* Bad Cinderella/ALW Cinderella historian at this point
I love crossover episodes
So true! This is heaven!
it took me a solid minute wondering why you were talking abt Wind in the Willows before i realised the channel name lmao
The fact that Mickey is featured in this video is the ultimate proof that he is now the king of Bad Cinderella/Cinderella content and literally will never be free from this damn show 😂
Now he needs to come to America to see it. It would be a crime if he didn't. ALW should fly him out. 🤣
He sits through the show so we don’t have to
What a legacy for someone to have.
@@Kristine_202 He talked about flying to New York for the first time in March. I wonder if curiosity will make him forget having seen the London production three times!
Honestly a musical about Mickey trying to break the curse of this musical stalking him would be a better musical than Bad Cinderella.
He kept saying "testicle dress" and totally missed the chance for "dressticle"
Putting the “ball” in ballgown
They really dropped the balls on that one.
What's a dressticle cat?
What's,
A dressticle,
Cat?
@@Nhblubird dressticle cats and ballicle dogs...
"...& so I asked, "Andrew, what is this about? Is this allegory, where the mother is Queen Elizabeth & the step-parent is the Tories & the Cinderella is Charles?"...& there was this long painful pause before he said, "Hal, it's about Bad Cinderellas."
& we never discussed it again."
best comment
A+++
"Hal...it's about horny hunks"
There are so many different versions of Cinderella at this point that it's hard to actually be subversive, because everyone has already tried to "subvert" Cinderella
Especially when everyone knows the best Cinderella is the filmed Rogers and Hammerstein version with Brandy
@@SunnyMorningPancakes Even though there are other versions of the story I adore, the Brandy Cinderella is basically perfect.
I will never understand why people feel the need to make more versions of Cinderella. Like just off the top of my head- Ella Enchanted, A Cinderella Story (the one with Hilary duff), Another Cinderella Story (the one with Selena gomez), A Cinderella Story (the one with Lucy Hale), Cinderella (the one with lily james), the awful Amazon prime Cinderella, ENOUGH. No one wants more Cinderella. It was never even really a compelling story to begin with, why is it like the number 1 fairy tale people want to make and remake over and over??
@@SunnyMorningPancakes Debatable, but I respect your opinion
Omg seriously! I was thinking the same thing. Like haven’t we done “I’m not like other Cinderellas” ten times by now
“Andy, please let me go home” about killed me.
I would buy an “Andrew, please let me go home!” t-shirt.
Etsy elves, you know what to do!
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Same!😂😂😂😂😂😂
My favorite part is when Bad Cinderella says "It's baddin' time!" and then bads all over everyone
You know, Cinderella being a vampire might work - that public proclamation about the ball could count as an invitation to enter. 🧛♀️
@@johnyesjustjohn Honestly? You could do something very fun with that concept.
@@johnyesjustjohn She has to leave early and can't stay the night because they have too many windows?
If you sit in the splatter zone, she really does get her bad all over you.
Snow White certainly works. Ask Neil gaiman
Honoured to be asked to help out on this! Also has anyone spotted the connection between the three theatrical plushes behind my head yet? 👀
They're all connected to Webber shows. The bear is dressed as Erik, the cat signifies Cats, and the third plush's shirt has the logo for Joseph.
@@mikeyjamieson4715 bearik
Too busy listening to you, babe! 😜
Real fans know that’s just the tip of the iceberg of the theatrical plush collection 😆
Enjoying the conversation too much to look around. Will check it out in your next video. Loved seeing you on WITW!
Listening to the two of you, it sounds like they were going to do that modern, girlboss, "I'm not like other Cinderellas" story, but when they got scooped by that dreadful Camilla Cabello/James Corden Amazon movie, desperately tried to rewrite into something else and couldn't find a new angle to justify its own existence.
Aside from the testicle dress theory and the other theory of the dress being a "W" for Webber, my theory as a graphic designer was the dress is a spray painted upside-down heart - the traditional Cinderella being a love story, and this story being a love story still but not in the traditional sense of Cinderella.
But, despite designers best intentions, sometimes you can do your best but you still end up looking like balls. 😅
I thought it was an upside-down heart for a long long time, but after this video, I’ll never unsee it as a ball sack.
I was definitely assuming it was supposed to be an upside down heart. If they had actually completed the point, it would have looked less like a ball sack too. :P
@@erisedstraeh1 The Broadway version at least kinda looks like a stylized A, but… you can’t unsee the ballsack.
I always assumed it was supposed to look like the glass slipper but was pink because of the neon color scheme of the original graphic design? Whatever it was, it wasn't done well if there's this much confusion lol
Funny you mention this since some theories about the origins of the heart shape state that it started off upside down since it looked like balls and represented fertility.
My (not literally) older brother finally got cast in his first broadway show. I was so happy, I sobbed. This guy introduced me to theater. Because of him, I joined theater camps every summer, started auditioning for commercials, etc. My life is literally on a different track because I met him.
He's in the ensemble of Bad Cinderella. I'm so incredibly proud. I'm also like.... so sad for him. This cast is working incredibly hard, but the material?? (side eye). Ultimately I know that this material will look amazing on his resume and that he deserves to be up on that stage, I'm just worried about how long the show will run
Genuinely sending you and him the best of wishes. Hopefully either another ensemble finds a spot for him and scoops him up and/or he’s able to find a project he really loves and is happy with!
Congratulations to him! Just because the show has issues doesn’t make his achievement any less important.
With a Broadway musical credit on his CV, he’ll have better opportunities.
And you can get some inside goss (the hot tea, if you will) from him as a cast member.
The cast is great and does the most, it's agreed. The material is the problem. Hope he gets recognised and has a wonderful career 🙏🏻
literally! I've seen so many people saying it's disrespectful to the performers to criticise the material even though I'd agree that the performers give it their all, wishing him all the best in his career!
Happy for him! It's an ALW show, will be good for his career, no matters what👍
My brain: Carrie is part of a strange little legacy family in the UK. Her brother, Tom, is part of McFly. He’s also a children’s book author. Her sister in law, Giovanna aka Gi, is a writer and also won I’m A Celebrity. Carrie’s credits include two little shows called Mary Poppins and Les Mis. There’s even more backstory I could go into within the state of TH-cam from 2008-2015. And to think ALW was all “I discovered this big star in the making” when she already was a star? Oh Andrew. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Babes. Babes.
yeah very good point man. I'm sure Carrie will go on to bigger things after this and well done her
Her brother is in McFly?! Oh my god my mind is blown😂😂
How did I not realised that Tom Fletcher was her brother like that makes so much sense
I saw her in the all-Star West End production of Les Miz in 2019.
i was a HUGE fan of her youtube channel back in the day and i was SO excited when she got les mis. she's so talented and it's been so cool to see her go from strength to strength.
"Andy, I want to go home, I have reservations at Bad Applebees" I'm dead
Obsessed with “how do we prepare for this?” in regard to Bad Cinderella as if it’s an oncoming apocalyptic event
Are you sure it's not one of the 7 seals in Revelation? 😂
"Love Never Dies" never making it to Broadway is my ultimate happy thought.
🎶Ten years OOOOOOOOLLD🎶
Thank you both for giving me a laugh.
Of course it doesn't make it to Broadway, because it doesn't exist.
and to that we say amen.
One of the things I was warned about creating art is that you should never name your creation something that makes for an easy reviewer pun. "Bad Cinderella: It sure is!" etc, etc, etc. It's just a bad omen
Love Never Dies - I wish it would ...
Thanks for the tip xD
This is such a good point thank you I never thought of that!
"Something Rotten? Throw it out!"
There was a movie in the 2000's, which name could be translated as "The Best Movie". The people behind it claimed that the name was chosen to ensure the positive reviews, because nobody could say anything bad about it with a name like that.
The thing is, people found a way 😅
I think Carrie Hope Fletcher and Patti LuPone need to start an ALW leading ladies support group.
Edit: Also Sarah Brightman! How could I have forgotten her?
Does Judi Dench count?
Sarah Brightman got cheated on, can she join?
@@kimberlyterasaki4843 what kind of an idiot would you have to be to cheat on Sarah Brightman?!
@@bigjedimullet ALW that’s who
i'd pay money to watch this
''you can't do camp, camp is bestowed upon you''. I feel like the phrase 'big personality' should have the same understanding.
i like that quote. Really enjoyable discourse too.
eta HOW oh Lord HOW did tiktok ooze into everything? I'm surprised I don't find tiktok spewing out when my elevator doors open these days
When Hadestown came to Pittsburgh in 2022 the cast did joke about doing the "happy ending" now after the bows and the crowd went wild!
WAIT WHAT?!?!? I don't remember that when I saw it at the Benedum!!!
@@missybarbour6885 Might have only been the night I went, which was I think the last night they were in town or second to last night
I need a shirt with the starlight express logo photoshopped into "Deceptively Sexualized Trains"
Can’t make it a shirt, but i’ll be right back
"I wish they just committed to something." Right there, that is the best summation of the show. 😆
Something… like an asylum?
@@oldvlognewtricks that would actually be more original
I noticed this as you mentioned the difference between the two Cinderella costumes how West End is sort of a UK gothic vibe... how did I never realize that her coat is made of a Tartan material? So yeah, it makes Mickey's call out the Broadway Cinderella is sort of Janis of Mean Girls esthetic all the more clear that the costume designer is aiming for a sort of... counterculture Cinderella vibe but has adapted the look from UK culture to US culture. Which... also says a lot about how they view America counterculture as an early 2000s Disney channel movie best friend.
also the "ball gown reveal" dress is giving elsa from frozen vibes, everything is very form fitting as well. its a choice
god can you imagine how cool a 70s/80s punk aesthetic would've been
@@timeforlaurynsopinion5138 I can and I’m mad it didn’t happen!
@@timeforlaurynsopinion5138 oh absolutely. If they went full Vivian Westwood, it would be a Moment™!
@@timeforlaurynsopinion5138 or even 80s metal. The costume designers needed to reevaluate their ideas for counterculture design. It's never going to be the style of the wacky best friend in a 2000s Disney Channel sitcom
I think ALW’s time passed LONG ago. I’m going to Bad Cinderella next week only because the lead is Latina and that happens so rarely. I knew it would be bad, but I thought it would be like &Juliet bad where it’s still fun. Now I’m dreading it.
As for this possibly being ALW’s last show - I agree with Mickey Jo, mostly because people like ALW are wildly stubborn and egotistical. I don’t think he will ever try to adapt with the times or accept that his time has passed.
He parted company with Cameron mackintosh after the phantom closing debacle. Covid shut down that show and they lost a ton of money. Cameron mackintosh was control freak and perfectionist. After phamton shut that was the end of that partnership.
Alw has temper like mount vesuvius he is now to erupt explosively when things go wrong prior to opening.
&Juliet is only cheesy, but it is SUCH FUN! Especially when those jukebox songs are somehow nostalgic. It is also hilarious - I am sad it is ending in London. Hope you enjoy Bad Cinderella though. It is a bit cringy, but I still had some fun but would not particularly see it again.
Me being in the other room trying to not accidentally end up guest starring 😂
Bring on the Aeron!
AERON!! we deserved a guest spot from you omg
haha but I'm sure you have a lot of thoughts about this show too!
My theory on the broadway Cinderella costume is that there are so many normal people who THINK and CLAIM that they're alt or rebellious but really arnt and that this bad Cinderella is for them and not ACTUALL alt or rebellious folks
If only the show knew this, it might have something interesting to say
I took my father to see Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat at Sydney's Capitol Theatre, Andrew Lloyd Webber's legacy is thorny and complicated but when you see a good version of one of his shows it's magic on the stage with production values galore. I'm not sure I'm going to rush out to see Bad Cinderella but I am fascinated by where this fits in the vast scope of musical history.
I was in Joseph and its literally such a fun show!
Agreed! I think Starlight Express is definitely Andrew Lloyd Webber's weakest show (and the man has had a lot of clunkers), but I saw it on tour when I was a kid. Maybe it's the childhood nostalgia, maybe it's because it was one of the early nights in a new city, but fuck was it memorable in a good way. Can't say the man doesn't try and he does at least sometimes (like 5% of the time) respect the other aspects of theatre lol
i had a similar experience in melbourne! my nanna took my mum to see phantom 17 years ago so when it came to the arts centre this year my mum took me. there were so many mothers and daughters our age there and i think a lot of them were probably having the same full-circle moment we were. it's strange and almost sad that alw somehow went from that to.......this.
I'm Aussie and I have to say if you saw the new production...was Shane Crawford as shit as I expect he'd be?
@@jessica23claire I didn't get a program so I'm not sure who played who. Edit: Trevor Ashley played Pharoah, according to the website.
if i had a nickel every time someone in
2022 made a musical version of cinderella where she wasnt like other girls, i’d have two nickels but still weird that it’s happened twice
We have GOT to get Mickey Jo to Broadway before Bad Cinderella closes.
He is actually planning his first trip over there 😊
Might be in the plans 👀
He's coming soon. He had to ahah
he WENT! this is hilarious, your wish came true
Hear me out.! "Bad Chandeliera": A musical told from the point of view of the Paris Opera Chandelier. Their opening song "I'm falling for you!" and their act two ballid " Your singing brings me down!". Your move Sir Andrew.....😅
Deceptively Sexualized Trains has got to be a Swiss Metal band somewhere out there. If it isn't yet, it should be.
Coming soon to Eurovision-Deceptively Sexualized Trains
I love Mickey's smile and nod reactions throughout this entire video. He's like "Yes you understand my pain"
My two favourite theatre TH-camrs in one video together? Dreams really do come true 🥺
Seriously! ❤🎉
My dream! Add Howard Ho and I reach heaven to never turn back!
Irrelevant but: HEATHERS deserves a Broadway run. And yet shows like these keep getting there first 😅
Wait, wasn’t it on broadway?
@@redrasegarden it originated off broadway, which basically means less seats
@@glitchezart I see
Hal, its about bad cinderella.
LOVE this collab! I've been riveted by Mickey Jo's coverage of (Bad) Cinderella. This musical has broken my brain... just HOW the book could be so bad? How would I fix it? I've seriously spent HOURS thinking about it lolllll. As a pro-writer and someone who has done classic romance retellings, I remain baffled how anyone thought the story, as-is, was working. (I do think I have a pretty good grasp of how to "fix" Bad Cinderella while retaining some of the better songs, but it would be a gut job/near-total rewrite to make it work...) And the biggest mystery: how much did ALW tinker with/force-guide Fennel's book? I remain flabbergasted that it came from her...
Does your rewrite include the godmother orchestrating the entire thing, from Charming's disappearance onwards, to get the two princes where they need to be by the end of the show? Because if she's secretly a benevolent force working behind it all to ensure that Charming marries his beau rather than some random woman, and that the totally unsuited for royal life Sebastian can run off with Cinders, the plot kinda falls into place imo.
For sure! It frusterates me how much potential is squandered in this book!
Fennel messed up the second season of Killing Eve pretty spectacularly - so much so that it never recovered
I've also spent a lot of time thinking about how it would work and concluded it would just need basically re-written! I'd be interested to hear your ideas! I also wondered that about how much of Fennel's ideas were changed...
When I first heard about Bad Cinderella, I wanted to avoid it because it seemed like ALW was running out of ideas and originality. Really sick of the concept of "not like other girl"/"girlboss" Cinderellas.
I love the Cinderella story, but it's a fairy tale a lot of people didn't understand.
The more I hear about this musical, the more I wanna throw up.
Thanks for making this video, however!
Yeah I think the show has some interesting ideas but its "feminism" or whatever and is so godamn shallow
The writers of Cinderella retellings always feel so confident in the idea that they're doing something unique and special with the story by depicting their Cinderella character as assertive and quirky, only to neglect that most CInderella adaptations in the last few decades have done the same thing
(I, personally, think it'd be a lot more distinct a vision if they committed harder to the prince plot twist at the end and just made the entire thing a gay love story. They could have easily written Cinderella as a lesbian and made her prince love interest a closeted princess who is terrified of the consequences of coming out as a monarch. It would also justify Cinderella’s rebellious attitude a lot more if she was bitter that she was surrounded by heteronormative bigots. )
@@RariettyC i kinda thought the amazon prince cinderella w camilla cabello was gonna have a plot twist like that, i was CONVINCED the prince was gay and in love w one of his friends lmao
To rewatch MIckeyJo's face at the moment the glass ass entered the lexicon (start at 32:35) is EVERYTHING. Please become besties who collab!Love you both so much.
"I mean, I feel I would have noticed that?" Never change, MJT
I feel like Broadway is turning into my new favorite soap opera
45 mins of two musical experts ripping a show apart.
This is my everything.
They’re experts?
I’m not your cinderella, I’m your BAD cinderella
When I saw that video, I literally cringed
💀 So bad
A bad cinderella is still a type of cinderella
Lol
@@MadameCorgibabe it's a joke from a video of the lead announcing she was gonna play the role
Sounds like an actual Broadway production equivalent of Riverdale
My family has always referred to ALW as the Gnome. I am going to have to tell them, “Andy please let me go home,” and resting Andy face🤪 Priceless
Lol, our family call him Lord Fishface 😅
Spitting image sketch
There is an art auction and the man says who wants to pay ten million pounds for this painting alw me...me..me
Ad break
Man to crowd who wants to pay 20 million quid to kick this annoying little shit out of the country. Us...us...us
Andy please let me go gnome
Listening to both of you about this show having not seen it, it sounds like 2 very hung over people trying to describe how they both made it back to the hotel for a wedding after getting lost at the bachelor party. *This is FORKING Brilliant*
Looking for a songwriter to help me put together Tax Fraud Cinderella. I envision it ending like Drat! The Cat! where Tax Fraud Cinderella ends up in the permanent custody of the IRS investigator who finds them (and they’re madly in love with each other so totally okay with this, obviously).
"What is happening" definitely sums up a lot of what I've seen about this show.
I'm still so pissed they erased the mid/plus sized aspect of Cinderella in the transfer. But no one wants to talk about it. Which is so frustrating as a plus sized actress to see.
Also, I'm not a fan of the Broadway costume changes. They look very cheap and quickly made... and not thought through.
Also.... I really wish they would've transferred Carrie. Bad review or not. I know she was flying back & forth at some point.
This is the greatest crossover event in the history of theatre criticism.
So excited. I feel like Bad Cinderella is the theatre child of Diana and Morbius.
lhjd w w
I think the greatest thing this show has given us were the advertisements
"From the legendary composer behind Jesus Christ Superstar, Evita, Cats, and The Phantom of the Opera. Comes something... BAD."
I have the mailer ads that they sent out and I framed it and hung it on my wall because it made me laugh so much when I first saw it.
I will probably go see it just for Jordan Dobson. I work at Hadestown and he came in for a bit to cover Orpheus when Reeve was out. he is such a sweetheart and was SOOOOO great in that role!!
50 minute collab between my favourite theatre people today is a good day
The pain of watching the development of this show from the sides. The concept was so hackneyed. Especially because there was a glut of rebel Cinderellas in the 00s. It wasn't just done it been overdone. The last thing theatre land needed was more half assed fairytales. The National Theatre does one every 3 years.
*edit* ALW report is amazing 👏🏾
I will never understand why people feel the need to make more versions of Cinderella. Like just off the top of my head- Ella Enchanted, A Cinderella Story (the one with Hilary duff), Another Cinderella Story (the one with Selena gomez), A Cinderella Story (the one with Lucy Hale), Cinderella (the one with lily james), the awful Amazon prime Cinderella, ENOUGH. No one wants more Cinderella. It was never even really a compelling story to begin with, why is it like the number 1 fairy tale people want to make and remake over and over??
@@SuzER08there are versions of Cinderella all over the world like the first Cinderella story was apparently from Egypt, anyways even if a story doesn’t explicitly state they are a Cinderella story a lot of romances will have elements of Cinderella in it, just the premise of a poor or average girl meeting a guy who has the ability to change her life is simply a desirable romantic fantasy to many because who doesn’t want to have riches and luxuries from someone being in love with you. Like Cinderella IS the blueprint for poor girl rich guy stories
When my wife and I first heard the London soundtrack, we decided it was the most Andrew Lloyd-Webber musical of all Andrew-Lloyd Webber musicals. His musical stamps are all over it. You could not mistake this soundtrack for any other composer's work. I have a morbid fascination with the show, thanks to the soundtrack and to MickeyJo's videos. Hearing your take was amazing. I hope it survives long enough for a pro shot to be made.
I really like this casual chat format because you can explore the little tangents that come up naturally. The glass butt thing cracked me up.
I would love for you to do a video about Panto. Like, I feel like there are a lot of theatre fans here in the US that do not understand British pantomime and what it really is as a style of theater. I just think that would be a really cool video to illustrate what it is and it’s difference from the theatre that we know here.
Seconding this, especially if you could get a guest who’s familiar with the history of panto! It’s so different from what we have here in the States, with its own distinct set of tropes (including audience participation to a degree we don’t really do in the US!) and sense of humor. If nothing else you’ll probably have a really fun time looking up clips!
This is one duo that I never dreamed of happening but so glad it did! What a perfect duo!
Near the end of December I got one of Mickey Jo's videos on the West End fiasco in my feed (the one where he reacts to ALW's "charming" letter on closing night), then went to his channel and realized it wasn't the only one lol. I had heard about the drama when it first happened and didn't realize just how bad the whole situation was, but after seeing people meme the infamous "spray painting announcement" a few months prior I just had to know what happened with the Broadway transfer coming up (I binged like 4 of his vids from the saga and just became more and more flabbergasted). Listening to you two now "comparing" the two versions is way funnier than it should be, it's fascinating to me how ALW has such a big ego that he can't realize HE'S the main reason why the show isn't great both on the West End and Broadway. At least the cast/crew seems to be giving it their all, fingers crossed they don't get the same treatment as the previous one
Mickey Jo: unwilling oral historian of this show 😂 this is EVERYTHING to me!
"Bad Phanterella: it WILL haunt you" I'd see the hell out of that
Bad Phantom exists - it’s called Love Never Dies.
this was an INSTANT click for me and it's made even better for having MickeyJo in it!
Awesome. Id love to see even more collabs between you two. Its interesting to see the perspectives. Theater on Broadway and theater on the West End are different in some ways and its fun to see how each of you sees your respective areas.
When you say "tik-tok" ready, that makes me think of Finn McKenty's statement on the current state of metal/pop punk where artists aren't writing good songs, they're trying to write these catchy short sections that can be used to make viral tik-toks and either having a heap of lazy rubbish either side of these sections or they're trying to stitch together lots of these sections so the song doesn't work as a full composition...
I’m a musical theater neophyte so just getting to witness this conversation on what sounds like another baffling Sir Lloyd Webber production is fascinating! This is my first time watching Mickey Jo and he’s delightful! I subbed to his channel immediately! Thanks for this! 😂🤣
Love the casual conversation vibe of this! Scripted videos are awesome but this style really suits what you’re talking about
After watching the Tiktok videos about this musical. I am very much sat for this video
The Broadway costumes look like a Disney Channel Original
High School Musical 5: Bad Cinderella
ALW's Cinderella was the first show that I was very tempted to walk out on. I just really didn't like a lot of it and wish I left with the family who complained to theatre staff about the content not far away from me.
i would listen to a theatre podcast with you both! really fun listening to you talk about this stuff
What I love is the No stakes of the plot. They fake out the wedding and in the end it doesn’t matter
yes! even the actual come uppance in the beginning, the townsfolk are out for blood but just end up tying her to a tree that she gets freed from anyway and then can go about her business like nothing really happened. the step family isnt publicly shamed for her antics, the step family seem to also not punish her extra for her antics so its like she has a day job of cleaning for them and serving them ...and then on her down time she commits gentle acts of vandalism and gets to clock back in. the status quo isnt up ended either. like the step mother alludes that she recalls the queen came from low standing but nothing comes from that and at the end the queen isn't unseated or challenged, even Sebastian agrees to do what she wants when he thinks he's lost everything. There seems to be like no stakes.
@@percyperanamus7432 I’m very into gentle acts of vandalism
Wow, it’s gonna be really hard for Cinderella to get her necklace back after midnight, actually, it’s gonna be super easy barely an inconvenience. I died at the part.🤪
👆🏻👌😍🤣
I have a feeling this is going to be one of those shows like Carrie the musical that gets a cult following and done by summer youth camps or a drag show.
Regarding the anecdotes about Lloyd Webber looking & acting unhappy / grumpy, I think we need to consider his son was dying at the time, and cut the guy some slack. Webber almost certainly knew that was going to lose his son during this time, so I'm sure keeping any composure was a struggle. No amount of money's gonna buffer anyone from that pain.
I saw Bad Cinderella last night and they announced it was closing on June 4th today. I did hear the ALW announcement at the beginning. It was an interesting show.
Her Broadway costume looks like an outfit for a revival of RENT. Idk why but that’s what it looks like to me lol
The one thing I can definitely say about Bad Cinderella is that it's an experience. It felt like watching a trainwreck and riding a roller-coaster at the same time, and somehow I can't remember half of it. I would 100% go watch the show if I was in the area, but I wouldn't travel just to see it.
I saw the show today (Sat. Feb 25) and the graffiti on the statue said "off with their heads" if you're curious
Thank you for reporting, I am planning to see it and am actually taking notes on what changes people are seeing!
i think (bad) cinderella has the capacity to be a good show if they went back to the drawing board and went over the theme and the plot and also maybe if somebody who isn't alw had written it
they were definitely trying to appeal to gen z/tiktok by changing cinderella’s costume to have a y2k urban outfitters vibe...
I was there on the first night preview too, just to see all the drama unfold.
Fairytale marketing is not to be believed, I blame myself if I have been deceived.
One thing that bothered me the most is you can see the sparkly tops of the cups of her ball dress under her outfit shirt from the very beginning as she dances. It’s not like we didn’t know we’d have a gown reveal in a show called Cinderella. Sure we’d suspect it was built into her outfit, but it could have been hidden way better.
Every other major complaint about the book and the lyrics relating to it from the British version seems to still be there. I also didn’t realize Prince Charming’s very bizarre story song (from the cast album) wasn’t actually in the British version either. Here I was thinking it was cut.
THIS is what I NEEDED in my life. Thank you! The whole video felt like it was 10 minutes long and I WANT MORE! Love you both! ❤️
I only just binged the saga on Mickey Jo's channel yesterday (whom I discovered via you!) and now I get this? Today is a good day 😊
I was waiting for this and I was surprised it hadn't popped up yet in my subscriptions... Then I realised I wasn't subscribed to you and I apologise 🙏🏼 this was so entertaining, I loved to understand more of this production! And I have already subscribed of course😅 to mend my error in going to binge a bit hehe
MickeyJo suffering because of Bad Cinderella is one of my favorite things ever so I am so excited for this.
36:05: The captions say 'eatable', but I'm pretty sure he said 'Oedipal' (as like, like Oedipus, referring to the mother-son relationship).
We try to review shows positively and go into new shows blind so we form our own opinion. We saw it on Broadway and our positive review can be summed up to “stepmother and queens costumes were nice.” 😬🙄 The ALW resting face comment 💀💀
The step dad analogy (mom not in picture).. what!? I love Mickey Joe’s channel so much!
OH MY... I just got that too!! ☠️☠️☠️☠️
As someone who just came back from seeing ALWs Aspects of Love, the talk about the prince and his mother is giving me war flashbacks
I thought this was gonna be a scripted documentary but I honestly dig the podcast off-the-cuff style too.
it's been a while since i've paid attention, but seems odd since i want to say oleksinski seemed to love the cast and score, with his main 3 bullet points being: cut 30 minutes of filler, punch up the comedy, and level up the sets and costumes.. . sooooo, somehow webber's takeaway was to berate/deflate the cast, write more songs, and simplify the sets and costumes? if oleksinski was the pivot point then webber wasn't reading the same review i did (or chose not to listen to a single critique).
I am going on a trip with my theater students to New York and am going to see this show in 36 hours. I am terrified and excited all at once.
Largely tangential to the main discussion here, but the phrase “deceptively sexualized trains” always knocks me out 😂
Andrew Lloyd Webber's musicals are for me the rhinestone jewellery under the musicals, shiny, opulent, but without real substance and fake. Another word of choice to describe Webber's musical would be McDonald fast food.
Oh wow, no other person has ever had this take, you are the only thinking being in a world of sheep
@@LynnHermione O no, I have hurt the feelings of a little fangirl. Get over it, Sweetheart.
McDonald’s fast food, lmaoo. I’d describe it as the feeling you get while/ after McDonald’s food, you feel good, then realize it’s absolute shit.
@@LynnHermione But maybe you like it more when I write that Webber's musicals are pourly written, musically and all of the storylines. He is very good in promoting, but the musicals for themselves are bad, especially his late works, where it shows that he lost his mojo. Nowadays he lives from his name, no one would speak about "Bad Cinderella" without the label "Andrew Lloyd Webber" , because it would never on West End or Broadway stages.
@@LynnHermione Which of the two commentaries do you prefer, Sweetheart? I want to know, the satirical one or the one that describes his bad work. I know, none of them is fangirly enough for your wounded soul, but hey, that's a you-problem.
YES, A PARTNERSHIP WITH MICKEY! My inner theatre girl is so happy.
“Resting Lloyd Webber Face” is amazing. 😂 It should be slang among us.
im so excited to see Mickey get his flowers I feel like a proud auntie
As someone who has never heard of this musical until now..... I'm sucked in! Thank you for this video! I can't wait to do my own deep dives into this trainwreck!
Mickey Jo was being so diplomatic about ALW.
I think an interesting way to change the book is have Cinderella transformation BE permanent. I think then you have Cinderella trying to figure out who she is while also trying to not be caught as she was the girl who got embarrassed at the ball. I think them you have her learning to love herself, as who she is.