On the topic of buying gil I wanted to clarify a point that was brought up to me after making this video. Buying gil and inflating the economy can make it harder to make money and that lack of ability to make money can be an unfair barrier to entry into things like housing. I feel like this is more of an issue with gil farming bots, and not strictly a problem with gil buyers. Bots, in most cases, are the real issue.
i have to disagree with them as when you buy gil that gil doesnt get generated and instead it is in the possession of the seller and they just distribute the gil, if anything the ways to get gil from the game itself and the lack of an actual gil sink to dump all the excess gils that are created from the game itself is the problem, they should add some optional things that requires you to use alot of your gil to obtain and that is the correct way to regulate inflation and economy (like other mmos)
The barrier to buying housing is how housing was made tbh. Like I’ve only seen things like it in Gilga being advertised in the housing subreddit/discord but I’ve often seen whole wards owned by a single person/FC. Props to them for getting the Gil to do all that but I can’t help but say it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Bad take. The only reason gil farming bots exist on a noticeable level is because of gil buyers. Selling clears is whatever people can throw their money away if they want, but buying gil directly contributes to funding bots and actively ruining the game. It's never going to change because people are selfish and lazy, but I can't support gil buyers or people who buy currency in any MMO.
for me its somehow really sad because raid gear isnt irrelevant at all outside raiding.Its not like you can use top raid gear for Pvp or something.So i dont understand those people at all :/
@@DrunkenSailors1 And people in in parties are gonna understand that something is up when you don't perform nearly as good as your gear says you should.
Reminds me of back when I was still progging through E7S and had an Ultimate Legend healer who straight up left the raid because he didn't want to adjust to play any other position but HIS position in the run. Most people learn to be flexible on their way through savage into ultimate. It's one of many parts of being a good end game raider.
You have to remeber just cause they put 100 hours I to say TEA dosent mean they have 100 hours in say the latest ex/savage, you don't have to be the best in the game to clear an ulti, just have to have the time and put effort into it. Gotta say I have my TEA clear but I can still wipe a group on e5s commonly for example
I understand that in the vid it was said the the titles have lost their "prestige" and I can even agree that some of content is old now, but the fact still remains, this is meant for those dedicated enough, even today as it is still locked behind level sync and you need to know what you're doing in there, to get it done. To have someone just come in and never put in any effort or being done with the content after maybe just killing the 1st boss and then flaunting the title and weapon, it just sucks. All the while, people are out there trying their very best to get this done even today. It just feels like a slap to the face to those working towards obtaining, and those that have obtained, their titles and weapons in a legitimate way.
"To have someone just come in and never put in any effort or being done with the content after maybe just killing the 1st boss and then flaunting the title and weapon, it just sucks." Serious question, have you actually cleared any of the ultimates? Because since day 1 of Ultimate release I've heard this argument over and over and none of them have come from anyone who's actually cleared the content. Basically anyone I've ever talked to or raided ultimate with could not give less of a shit if someone has gotten the title unearned. The content is equally as difficult as it is before and after someone gets carried through it, the challenge is still there and that's what people who dedicated themselves to hundreds of hours of ultimate were after in the first place.
@@feelsxaadman9559 Yes, I have cleared both UWU and TEA. Ucob we'll be doing it sometime Sept. I originally got to Tenstrike Trio way back when it was 1st out. You aren't wrong about people not talking about it meaning anything, but it still doesn't mean that buying clears does not under value the efforts of those that do it legitimately. Example: You have a friend that comes in to FFXIV and you yourself did all Ultimates and it took you many months to do so (Some people it take a whole year for just 1 fight). Now, said friend has everything you have and more by week 5-6 into the game because he/she got really into it and money is a non-factor to them, or for whatever reason, they just bought it period. You're telling me you wouldn't feel even a bit ticked off by this? Especially if this next new Ultimate coming at the end of this current expansion you are trying to do it and this friend casually pops up with the clear and wpn once sellers start selling the runs? That's all I'm saying when I said it's a slap to the face to those trying to do this, or even those that got the clear. We all know that if there is a way to cheese/buy clears or content, there are tons of people that will do so. I wouldn't be surprised that if there would be a program out there that could play the game for you and would do your parse runs, people would be on that crap and be faulting their ranks as if they did it themselves. This is the absolute worst thing that everyone hates, when you talk big because you got the purchased titles/wpns/clears and you start believing your own lie in-game and/or you start acting like you deserve "special" treatment. When others find out though, GL to you. I've called out many in Primals a bunch and raids. Sad really. Can you buy clears = Sure Is it frowned upon = Yes, by those that play legit. No, by those that are of similar way of thinking or provide the service because they are making some money out of it and by those that really don't care about it either way. All I can say is that at least I can proudly say that I have never purchased or had anyone jump into my games (any game) to get me stuff. I've earned all my stuff. :) I won't lie though, I kind of wish someone could do the pvp stuff for me to get that nice looking armor and wpns (the hellhound ones). I just don't like the pvp in this game. lol
I had the hardest time clearing E5s in PUG groups. I almost gave up after awhile. Four months to clear is ridiculous! ..... but, after finding a savage discord has made things easier. The people who know how to clear will do it, out of the kindness of their hearts, as long as the players are willing to miss out on weekly loot. Thanks to discord I am slowly clearing content, but without it I would have given up a long time ago. Thanks to all my discord server friends for helping me get through!
Despite the higher number of people rocking legend titles. I would still say there is a certain level of prestige/legitimacy to having the weapons/title. Posts on various raid finding discords, both on static lf members and people looking for static will state explicitly the extent of their ultimate involvement. Legend titles still mean "experienced" in my opinion. Also gil buying gives reason to have gil bots, so I would say that having an issue with bots should also come with having a problem with gil buyers.
The worst part of crafting is leveling it tbh I had an FC mate generously boost my WVR from 1-70 using Levequest items and I’ve been doing the Dwarf Beast tribe so I can get the Tank mount Ngl I got intimidated by the first quest that had me make a HQ item but it only took me 2 tries to get it.
Yeah, it's not easy. I leveled all crafters to 80, bought all the recipe books, geared up, penta-melded, etc. That was a long slow process, especially with all the job quests you have to do or you don't get all the abilities. Then, once you get to 80 and go to make some neo gear or something, you look at the materials required and you're like, "where tf do I get that, and that, and that, and that...", only to find out you have to spam dungeons etc. for tomestones for some ingredients, rare node spawns for other ingredients, dungeon mobs for another ingredient, a different kind of currency for yet another ingredient, white crafting scrips for another ingredient, etc. It's quite the pain in the ass to do without just buying what you need from the market, but that can really eat in to your profit. Sure if you buy a few hundred million gil, buy everything you need off the market, google macros, never taking the time to learn the system and how it all works together, etc., sure that would be easy, but what's the point? Sure wouldn't be very rewarding, imo.
It's funny you bring this up now considering I was doing my Unreal Shiva re-clear in pf and of course someone joins with the "ultimate legend" title but unfortunately he/she was not as advertised and ended up dying throughout the fight to several mechanics and killing others in the process especially with the kb marker mechanic... Smh I hate RMT.
The problems are not the activities themselves as much as the underlying factors that drive their markets. While buying a raid clear is not terrible in an of itself, I have yet to meet someone who does it simply "for the title" or "for the weapon" without the ability to claim the skill necessary to obtain them...after all, they cost a lot of money and likely feel "entitled" to claim such ability as a result of the purchase. Further, the transaction of gil buying and selling is fine in my opinion if the gil was earned through legitimate means. However, I would be shocked if these make up even 1% of the total gil sold online; so much of it is acquired from bot farming and account scamming that tying the them together is a logical conclusion.
I don’t really care what people spend their personal gil on tbh. What I have an issue with is people paying others to do harder content and then taking credit for it by bragging about getting clears? A person was exposed awhile back for doing exactly that and spouting nonsense like “You’ll only find enjoyment from FF14 if you do the harder raiding content”. You couldn’t even clear the content yourself so please zip it lmao.
Well I dont know about spouting or bragging false claims as the initial reward for clear buyers. But honestly you can tell who they really are in major city places. Its usually the players who just afk around with their ultimate wpns out. It sounds like a bias statement I know, but real raiders do not waste their time standing around in a spot for hours.
Buying clears just defeats the whole point of the encounter....especially in ultimate There is a reason they never locked mounts behind ultimate and only made the weapons bis for the patch they released them on,the point is the challenge,and buying a clear for that just for a title and a wep is...disgusting in my opinion
@@Saint-Soren for BA you could join your server's eureka linkshell / discord and sign up for runs. The level of difficulty between ultimates and BA are quite different
@@Saint-Soren BA and eureka in general has dedicated discord communitied on each DC that coordinate runs and do callouts Baldesion arsenal is not an ultimate,the difficulty is like an ex trial but in alliance raid form
The reason why they didnt locked mounts behind ultimate is just that there arent any mounts they could bring in! Mounts you get from fights scream: "I get this from this savage or this ex trial!" But how much I think about it they couldnt really bring some mount that would make sense! Like twintania already exist as friend invite bonus or nael isnt really a good mount! Ultima is also not really mount doable andso on! Its not because "oh when we make a mount then everybody will buy this fight!" Thats definetly not what Yoshi P's thinking! Also only weapon bis for this patch is because: it wouldnt really be intelligent it giving the weapon much more ILVL! 1. Ultimate comes 3-4 month before next tier (bahamut, uwu and alex not the next one) giving it more ILVL like 350, 380 or 480 wouldve been to overpowerd for that tier! People with alex weapons wouldve destroyed 4 months long the expierence for other player and other player wouldve just been carried through the current tier! Also at the start of the next tier most people wouldnt even need to invest time and money in a better weapon and could just start shredding chaos, or ramuh because of the better weapon! No real enrage fear! Think about the real reason and dont create a reason why they did it! They did it because: it isnt logical to do it!
@@hakkepeterDruckfehler I think the reason SE didn't do it is because Ultimate falls into SE's "superboss" tradition in Final Fantasy where you get fuck all as a reward for clearing the hardest content aside from the challenge and bragging rights. In this case, the weapon fits that description as it's certainly pretty to look at, but it's functionality is limited compared to a mount.
"Lying is is always worse" - 4:00 and it is obvious we all have already clicked "Yes, I agree" on the EULA page when starting this game. i.e. it's pretend to endorse to the EULA, I cant see the difference. set a side this point, I played EVE before. EVE is totally the case you want, there is an official method to RMT. Part of alliances are actually pushing people to RMT, and let the alliance win the fight. The nature of game is different, but I can tell some raid groups would push players to RMT and buy crafted gear on release day 1, and hell a lot of bots coming out (there are a lot already), finally destroy economic system, and makes the game less fun unless you RMT. If there is a channel from real life money to game money, and game money to gear, then its pay to win. You argue about MOST of the things are cosmetic, but there are A LOT OF gears or clears you buy make you more powerful. Creating such channel IS pay to win. Whether it is to win in the next patch never matters, which is the same as your current computer will never be as good as those in 10 years, and it doesn't mean you are not gonna get a better gaming experience at this very moment. No matter it is to win temporarily or permanently, it is pay to win. And from my ideology of gaming: It is another world, except for I pay for subscription or buy the game in one shot. So I don't want to see such things officially allowed as a part of the game, or publisher not strictly enforcing the rules.
People usually shy away from discussing things, especially more controversial topics like this one, because there's always gonna be some idiot telling them to "go back to wow" or something.
Completely disagree. Yes, there is "less" prestige in an ultimate title and weapon as more people clear that content, but the margin is low enough to where it still holds it. When just as many people buy those clears, it dilutes the pool to the point where no one believes legitimate clears anymore. Yeah it's "just a title in an mmo lol", but isn't the whole point of mmo endgame to get swag others don't have? Doesn't this go hand in hand with your problems on BiS being irrelevant? "Who cares if you can just load up on crafted gear every tier lol you raid just for funsies!" Certain things should be and should stay as rare, whether someone has money to throw away or not. Or maybe I'm just bad, idk.
Well I can only give you my perspective and I'm sure many people will have different perspectives. Getting into ultimate and clearing ultimate for me was more about proving that I can do it and having the weapon as proof. It was more about personal satisfaction and fulfillment, not so much feeling like I'm better than other people. I know that I can clear ultimate, I know that I have the skill, let me do the fight and prove that I can do it. On the topic of how this relates to my gear issue, once again it's more about personal satisfaction than being better than others. I don't care if you have high item level gear, I don't care if you have an ultimate weapon. I just want to have my gear matter beyond the content I got it from, I want my ultimate weapon and title to be proof that I completed a challenge. I agree things should stay rare, and I think the price of an ultimate clear will dictate the rarity. Ultimates are not being handed out for 10-20 dollars, they cost hundreds, sometimes over a thousand dollars, just for 1 clear. The amount of paid ultimate clears is extremely low, and 99% of legends you see will have gotten it legitimately. For that reason, I don't feel like a small group of people paying for a glowy weapon really takes away from mine. I have it, I got it through weeks of progression, and I'm satisfied with my reward. Lastly, I want to clarify that I am not in support of RMT. I don't like it, but I just also don't really care if you do it. It's similar to my stance on alcohol. I stay sober, I do not drink at all. I don't like alcohol, I think it can only be neutral or negative, and I don't think it is a good thing. But if you drink I don't really care. I won't hate you for drinking alcohol, because it doesn't impact me.
@@NamesLynx Would you consider FFLogs to be a reference for legitimacy of ultimate clears? Is it common to not post logs for ultimate? From what I've heard, most groups who sell clears don't post logs to avoid implicating themselves. The way I see it, if you have no log for your ultimate clear but wear a title and flash a weapon, you're already attracting attention to yourself, but now have nothing to substantiate its legitimacy. From what I've had friends tell me, a grey 9 on an ultimate is still better to show off than to have nothing on your logs at all, because clearing an ultimate (especially on a center like Crystal) is still a fairly big accomplishment and proof of mechanical proficiency is better than no proof at all, even if your DPS sucks or you had a death or 2. I can't say for any certainty, but there are a lot of people on this data center with no public logs to go with their titles and gear and the total number of posted logs gives an impression that our center is very much behind the curve for Ultimate content, yet I still see the cities absolute littered with titles. I don't necessarily go out of my way to "fact check" anyone for their titles or gear, but I do kinda raise an eyebrow when I see them show off some abysmal performance during Savage while swinging around a TEA sword. It's pretty easy to tell who is and who isn't legit just from watching the way they play, let alone even factoring in the ACT or FFLogs. That said, I'm still preparing to begin Ultimate prog myself, so I don't have any clears of my own and haven't really been around too many people who have cleared.
TheBoltokPriest I don’t have a log for my UwU clear because me and all of my friends are on ps4 :(( I literally have no idea what my dps is and tbh I’m kinda sad about that lol
@@ravelleburns7500 That's totally fair and it literally never crossed my mind as a PS4 player myself that there'd be a situation where there wasn't at least one person logging like that. I 100% know the frustration of being unable to tell how well I'm doing and being totally reliant on someone else to feed me data. Thanks for bringing that to my attention!
imo, its ok to buy clears with gil (as long as it is "honest" gil) ... some players endgame is hardcore raiding, others (most) glamour, some fishing, others crafting and gathering and being super rich... if they have the money to buy it, let them do it, as long as they dont go around bragging they "cleared" it or pretending they know the fight.
Wasn't selling clears for gil specifically allowed? Yea, I know piloting and rmt is not allowed, but selling carries as is shouldn't be bannable, right? Oh yea, love your videos, keep up the good work!
If you go to the PVPbank and buy TEA clear, it is about 540 dollars for a clear. Doing the math, it is about 67.50 per person, which is pretty good for the sellers. The buyer made the decision to spend 540 dollars for a glowy weapon and a title. I agree with Lynx, if people want to spend money on pixelated gear, that has no value, but flexing on people in Expert Roulette, then more power to them. I honestly would just use the 540 dollars and get myself a new kayak with a trip to the lake.
I wouldnt pay for a clear but instead for a spot on an ultimate static lol finding a group that is already set up and willing to bring in someone with prior savage exp but no ultimate exp is probably harder than the actual fucking ultimate content
Yeah thats thats generally the problem and what sparks selling raid clears. You have to have experience in previous ultimate content to get accepted in the group. This is why finding a group is more harder than clearing the content for many. So they opt out in just buying a clear.
The problem with selling carries for the normal user is the spam, from world of warcraft some chats are basicly unusable because of all the carry sellers trying to find buyers, and it's not just 1 person selling, it's a lot. every carry group has one, or maybe even two that spams the chats over and over (even if it's once every 5 or 10 minutes, having hundreds still add up) Also, I dissagree about the prestige, it might not mean anything to you, however people who are progressing right now, or just done, I am sure they feel the titles mean something, and as a player who doesn't have it, but want to get in the future, buying/selling carries kinda diminish the fantasy of this "mega rare cool" title, cos that's something i feel most mmo players want, something to kind of raise above the heads of others, be it super rare glam, mounts, weapons and titles. That is something wow is missing at the moment because of all the carries diminish the rewards, You can't look at someone and look up to them anymore without the thought in the back of your mind wether they got carried or not, not to mention it removes the scarcity of the reward just turning them into everyday items which no one will care about.
@@MyntenEU If you wanna do it for the challenge then sure, but I personally dont know people who see the weapon and title and instantly give respect. If you personally like the glamor then cool but wearing it and thinking people will care about it is a lie.
anyone can spend money they made/have on whatever they want. if the purchased item is illegal or taboo, and they get caught, they get the consequences that are associated with it also.
the problem is that the company doesnt do enough to punish those people, i know people who have been selling clears since 2017 and still play the game to this day because SE just wont do shit.
One thing I'll add is the 'Time' factor. Some folks want to play the content, but just don't have the time to commit to learning the end game fights or ultimate. I've also come across folks who are just crafter/gatherer mains and don't care for the savage or ultimates at all. At the end of the day, determined folks are going to get their clears one way or another.
Excellent commit. I clear most Extremes with relative ease, but with a daughter and family I don’t have time to learn ultimate raids. I believe I have the skill due to my performance in endgame extremes but I simply don’t have the time for Savage content or Ultimate. 😬 I love your perspective.
The real problem with this too is that people who buy usually get more experienced players to play with their account. It is no longer that you know the fight, it is that another player is playing with your account to complete the fight. And it is common knowledge that much of the gold that circulates through these sales ends up on RMT pages.
the same people who thinks sleeping with their so is a chore ( esp if you are married or been in a very long relationship or ttc) believe it or not there are quite a few people who thinks that way, Just look at any trying to conceive sites. Not everyone thinks salvage is fun but wants the glamour for their outfit.
Well a lot of people in this game don't raid. The obvious answer is "just get into raiding if you want raid rewards" which I tend to agree with, but also I don't get bothered by someone paying to skip the raiding aspect and get their reward. It's like buying a level boost or story skip in my opinion.
@@NamesLynx it doesn't really bother me as it doesn't affect me but I don't understand it. for me the point is to play the video game and become more competent at it to take on greater challenges to reap the intrinsic rewards of those challenges. the gear to me is a means to take on further challenges. I guess i can understand if there is a mount or something that someone wants and doesn't want to or can't put together a group to take on the challenge. the level boost or story skip i perfectly understand especially if you don't enjoy narrative and already know how to play the game. at this point i think i would take a skip to get to end game again and watch the story as i wish to although i am not really willing to pay extra for it.
@@7sins979 I agree with you on what you said but from my Pov on this matter i think that people who buy Ultimate or any end game clear like a lot of people said just want it for glamour and i think the same way . and i think most of them > not all < don't have the time to form/join a static and try to clear stuff like that since they have a family + jobs and have only a few hours to enjoy the game
The biggest thing I have against RMT for gil is that I remember the gold sellers from WoW hacking people's accounts to clean them out and send the gold to the buyer. Before you say that this activity is a myth, it happened to my wife.
In WoW it happend directly myself. before that i had not known how they sell their gold but... after that i hate them. xD and before they "fixed" it in ff14 the RMT spam had made the game nearly unplayable until you blocked every chat. xD it was horrible. i really have nothing against selling game money for real money(in eve online you can do that pretty good) but IF someone get somehow damaged(hacked or something) it's game damaging. the same is for the "normal" way they generate the game currency(like gil) they flood the game markets with "bottomless" cheap items and destroying the game economy. >_< in my years of online gaming, i experienced a couple of games that got killed that way because they were player-economy based.
I can agree with most of your points but not on the buying clear, but really depends on the content. Buying an ultimate clear will just give someone a shiny weapon and a title. On savage though you give those players the option to join the duty complete parties and this 100% will cause wipes and most likely not a clear at all for those who deserve it. I know it is not a thing that you will see often but keep that in mind, those players will waste other people's time and time in my opinion is the most valuable currency, far more important than gil or even real money and that will affect more people who don't have much time to play due to real life responsibilties.
The problem with prestiege being buyable is when I see someone with a nyalotha allseer after week 4 I don't think to myself oh that person is 12/12 mythic and they earned it, I think oh that person probably bought a mount carry. I don't think that's how a "prestiegous" reward should be. Idk if people sell BA runs, but I think having a Physeos weapon at this point is more prestiegous than having an ultimate weapon.
This is another reason I ended up streaming my group's TEA prog. Besides the fact we were all degenerates with horrible humor and I wanted the world to know how awful we were. I WISH more people would prog for their clears! Our prog was legitimately the MOST fun I've had in XIV in my 6 years of playing this game. I feel that: If anyone can find enough like-minded people they can have an extremely memorable experience earning their flashy pixels themselves. But at the end of the day it's just a video game that we enjoy to play however we want. And that's okay!
Well... I am glad you enjoyed it. I tried a static group. Showing up on time felt like another job. So, l just memorize the whole fight and pay raid sellers to raid with me.
No, all raid clears provide is a sense of accomplishment. Either for those who did it blind, those who did it week 1 in 480 gear, those who beat it before the next patch, those who beat it before the next raid tier, those who beat it in general. Its all relative and the only thing you can flex is to yourself in the mirror
When I spot someone with an Ultimate title nowadays, the first impression I get now is "Oh wow, another player who likely paid for a boost, nice." Let's not pretend here, people who buy those clears don't have the means to do them themselves so they usually make use of Piloting and of RMT in case they can't pay up in gil. By allowing clears Square is creating a situation where they can't monitor and control the players, and what's worse is that they allow people to set up and advertise inside the game itself. The reality is that Ultimate weapons and titles ARE symbols of skill, a symbol that has now lost so much value because of the greed of a few people and because of Square's stance on the topic. Ban all forms of paid clears, simple as that.
What's funny is that they also "don't accept outside evidence" and yet they slapped Xenosys. And yet there's always a shit ton of advert spams IN GAME and yet so little is actually done...
To be fair, the amount of people actually buying Ultimate clears is very low; significantly lower than those who legitimately clear. You'll notice the bad Ultimate players more because they stand out more. So I wouldn't dismiss the title or weapons out of hand.
That's my 1st impression to. I have been on this game since it came out and I know the raid scene pretty well. I do pug to with my Alt. Trust me when I tell you that lots of players out there did not earn their weapons or title. I at least have some respect to those that have admitted into having their friend, GF, or BF do the fight for them just because they wanted the weapons for glam. The ones I dislike are the ones using the title and flaunting it even though they didn't control their characters for the clear. I'm of the mindset of you either earn it, or not, period. Paying for something is essentially cheating and I don't like that. My opinion.
I like to attribute buying raid clears similar to buying a level boost or story skip from the mog station. The same argument can be made that leveling teaches you your class, the mechanics of the game, and fundamental skills. Yet the boosts still exist. Buying a level boost means you should learn your class and put more time in to catch up with the mechanics of the game, similarly buying a raid clear means you should learn the fights and put in the effort to play well if you decide to play that content on your own.
I am at uwu suppresion with my static and I am very happy that my static leader streams this because then I have prove that I indeed myself killed it! Because most people just scream "you definetly bought it" without prove when THEY do a mistake and dont want to admit it! Also I really dont mind people buying the clear! The only thing I am jealous of is the money they must have to buy this!! As I get it to buy a clear cost over 200-1000 dollar right?! Ive could never throw so much money just to have a good glam! I mean in the end the only thing they do is getting a nice glam! If they happy with that why not! I just do it the hard way, but in the end I safe money! Thats the only thing I think about it! Its like, you have the money to buy a car?! Cool I take the bike because it safes me money!
Also: you can definetly see if people bought it when they only have one weapon! Because you buy one clear! People which killed it themselves have mostly 3 up to all 16 weapons! Like myself want at least 6 kills! For 3 tanks and 3 heals!
The economy of FF14 is already ruined by FF14 because there isn't any reason to spend gil, like you said. There isn't a gil sink around. Even if bots weren't running wild, the economy would be boned just by that alone.
i feel like another way to frame the buying content bit is to compare it to ways it could, and does, get done without paying for it. i'm not a very good player, i've only cleared fulmination and furor this tier, but i know people who have beaten every savage fight and every ultimate fight. they're my friends. if i asked if my friends were willing, i could get them to carry me through savage and potentially ultimates and, while it wouldn't be instant, i'd eventually get those clears and it'd be much, much faster than pugging or trying to go with a group that has never beaten that content because 7/8 already know and have cleared the content. buying content just changes "asking my friends" into "buying from strangers".
Real talk - if I have 10m gil and a group is offering a clear for Ultimates for 10m gil, as long as it remains a completely in-game transaction, I see 0 issue with it. If crafters can sell items that can carry you through crafting content, then why can't battlers sell you clears that carry you to higher ilevels? For me, when RMT enters the equation, that's when it's not okay. It's against the ToS.
How is paying for a haircut the same as buying gil? Purchasing gil circumvents the entire gameplay loops required to "legally" gain that kind of wealth. If it takes me 5 hours to make 5 million gil, but i make 50 dollars an hour irl, I have a significant advantage of TIME over those who either don't have the money or are trying to play legit. The amount of gil someone can earn from essentially an outside source compared to in game is astronomical. Then that money can immediately go towards buying clears that you have arbitrarily decided have no value because you've had them for a long time. Get off your high horse.
@@NamesLynx except those exist as catch up mechanics for a game with a never ending story and ever expanding level ceiling. Inevitably a game like this will have to provide a sort of catch up feature. In this case, this is provided by the games creators and has no impact on the economy of the game. Moreover, the leveling process is a miniscule part of the life of a player. Youll spend maybe 40 hours leveling initially then thousands doing other things.
I’ve had a NIN in hades EX wayyyy into the patch so it’s easy now, however he/she had the perfect Alex weapon and the title on. They couldn’t get through phase 1 without dying. I called them out and they said they bought it. I don’t mind but having the weapon and title you should have skill levels up to atleast savage. That’s the expectation of having done/bought ultimates.
Crazy topic, and a comment made, that those who sell clears etc don’t make a lot... I know for a fact a few ppl that joined my fc yrs ago who pre HW, who I got into raiding, from HC crafters.. 2 whom became very good friends, they both told me and showed me proof of how much they make selling Gil/clue crafted gear, $500-1500/wk isn’t much? I was also part of a team that was selling Garuda/Titan HM/EX for months on end, I never sold my share of the Gil per clear but a few team players sold theirs and they were making $200-500+/wk.. tho I do agree with most of what you said, that part isn’t true, maybe today it’s slower then prior xpacks but I do know a few who sell and make enuf to live comfy, I mean what’s the point of having a character and 6 retainers fully maxed with Gil if you’re not selling?? To each their own on a risk that could end your game career.
well it is unfair especially when people go hardcore to make gil as much as possible to buy a house. That almost like p2w style and would definitely make the game go bad if not caught.
Buying clears to me is no different than getting carried through an Instance by friends - whatever. Although it should be done entirely out of game. I've never bought gold in WoW - either illicitly or via a token. I've never bought gill in FFXIV. I have no problem with people who do getting their accounts banned. I don't know how much it happens in XIV but a lot of the Gold sold in WoW wasn't from bots, it was from hacked accounts.
I was under the assumption that Ultimate clears aren't possible without all 8 people doing their best and doing all the mechanics. 7 others might be able to make up for a lack of DPS, but its not like they can just AFK while you clear. They do have to participate in the fight. They're not buying a clear per se, they're buying the use and time of 7 other competent people, so yeah. They earned the title imo. Its just unfortunate they couldn't join a competent group without having to pay for it. RMT ruins the economy. Mogstation does not. RMT undermines the company. Mogstation supports it. However! If FFXIV had an official RMT like WoW's token system... I think that would hurt it even more.
Im pretty sure they log into your account to clear it for you, cus getting payed 50 bucks to babysit these fake legends for months for a clear doesn't sound like a worthwhile time
On the gil selling topic, I don't think people wanting to buy gil is a bad thing. It would be great for players if Square implemented something similar as the WoW coin/token that allows you to exchange it for real word currency in their own client. They could potentially kill a lot of the gil farming since people would buy it officialy (as a Mogstation item), then they could sell it for gil ingame. Those who need the gil would pay to square and not a seller, and also those who really need real world money to keep playing or buy aesthetic items could so by buying that kind of item with gil. In any case, the money is still circulating in the mogstation, and someone actually payed for the cosmetic or sub, directly or not. What Blizzard intented with that kind of tokens to fight RMT, but also gave the opportunity to many players to keep playing. Of course, the impact in the game economy and the crafters is considerable, and i'm pretty sure the devs are worried about that. But they kinda ruined the crafters already by doing them so easy and unrewarding.
Also, if Square decided to sell in the Mogstation gear glamour and titles from the Savage and Ultimate raids, i'm sure A LOT of people would buy them, and among those some that are currently criticizing the content sell/purchase. I'm with you Lynx, i couldn't care less. I play for myself and i don't need to brag on a clear or a certain glamour, only to have fun with the content devs create and share laughs with my friends. I don't need to prove them anything, that's why we're friends in the first place.
I'm not entirely sure on this, but one issue I've heard with people selling in game things for real money is that it infringes on SE, as they're selling something that's technically SE's property.
Wiseman Dragonexx Not exactly, they are technically selling their own time invested and that in of itself is not a problem. The issue becomes that it’s only worth it to sell gold/Gil/currency in MMOs if you can do it through botting / hacking. Otherwise it’s a really inefficient way of making money. Botting and hacking though ruin the game, so RMT, which supports those, has to be banned.
I have some mixed feelings about your opinion on this one, but while I agree to some extent, there is one part specifically I vehemently disagree with and that is about ultimate raiding. I do not particularly care about people buying or selling clears for most other things, as things like old raid tiers definitely *do* degrade in prestige quite quickly. And something like O12S or an A12S weapon or mount has lost its much of its prestige by this patch, due to being able to unsync it and do it relatively easily with just a random party finder group, so if someone is selling eden clears I really don't care too much as in a year or so it'll be like whatever anyway. However, ultimate content, in my opinion, has *not* become significantly easier, and is more or less the same as it's always been due to the syncing requirement. The reason way more people have those titles and weapons now isn't because it's so easy that anyone can do them now, it's because they're straight up being bought half the time. While it is true that ultimate titles and weapons have gone down in the amount of respect they garner for people who have them, I argue that it's precisely *because* of people buying/selling clears that does that, and this is where I largely disagree with you. Ultimate content is the hardest content in the game, and the weapon and title you receive from those is meant to reflect your skill as a player. It is a status symbol that says "I am good enough in this game to do this." And it's precisely *because* it is treated this way that I have issues with people buying clears for it. It isn't just another glamour piece, it is something that *maintains* difficulty throughout expansions and patches, and it is *because* it stays synced and stays difficult that it remains a brutal test of skill that makes it prestigious in a way that no other content in the game does. And allowing anyone to simply pay to win to get it cheapens that accomplishment for those who did it legitimately in a way that doesn't apply to any other content in the game. Old savage raid content gets echo, ultimate does not. Old savage raids can be unsynced later at absurd ilvls for cheese, ultimate cannot. This in and of itself is evidence from the devs and the game itself that ultimate content is a final test of sorts, to cap off your test of skill, and if you beat it your rewards is a fancy title and weapon to flex that skill that got you that far. And this status as a kind of award is what makes it special. To take your analogy of buying a service like a haircut, maybe that's true for something like a savage raid clear. However, a more fitting equivalent for an ultimate clear would be like saying "I want to get an Oscar or Academy Award for being a great actor. But then you don't put in any of the time or effort and don't even act at all, and just pay to get one. Wouldn't that cheapen the award? Ultimate content's sustainable difficulty is what makes it special in prestige, and it's because people are simply buying their way in pay to win style that cheapens it for everyone else. To put it another way, it's similar to how your video about how crafted gear and gear progression is handled in ffxiv. In that video, you talk about how it's not wrong or bad for casual players to have access to gear and other things that are about on-par as those that endgame raiders who have put in time week after week to get. However, it is an issue when they can just, with no effort whatsoever, pop in having done no work or spent any time, and be on equal footing as those who have been doing those raids for weeks. And it isn't like I'm saying "casual players don't deserve nice weapons" because there are plenty of other options for really good looking weapons, like the crafted primal ones or any of the relics. I understand not everyone has time or is able to put in hours and hours, week after week, wipe after wipe, of hardcore endgame ultimate content. However, if they aren't willing to put in the work for that, then that doesn't mean they are entitled to have it just because they want it. Just because everything in the game is obtainable by everyone, doesn't mean that everyone is entitled to it automatically or deserves to have it without putting in any effort. P.S. Something else I want to add is that I have no malintent or issues with people trying to sell clears as a side hustle. We all could use some extra money and if you can get that by being good at FFXIV then I'm not gonna judge for that. I think the responsibility and blame should be put on buyers, because without buyers there would be no incentive or demand to sell clears in the first place, but if there's a demand for a service, then I'm not going to fault people for wanting to make some extra money by playing a game they enjoy.
I think it sadly is a two way street for raid clears. On one hand it's nice that ultimate tier raiders get to make some side revenue outside of youtube, stream donations and so much more-- there are a lot of very "invisible" members of our community who are mind bogglingly talented. I DO want to see them rewarded for it money-wise. Esports is a big scene and I've been wanting to see our best and brightest rewarded for their talent. The flip side is that buying clears devalues almost anything instantly. It's weird when I (and surely you've noticed it too) walk around Limsa and I see people afk at 3:00am holding the weapons out and I am like "who?" check their logs and it was clear that they had no history of ever raiding at all. It's gotten to the point where I see the TEA weapons and I'm no longer even shocked or in awe. That sounds absolutely mean and snarky but isn't meant to be-- but now they just look like "Oh you had an extra $200 laying around? That's nice. Next!" The achievement just feels so diminished. I used to see TEA weapons and go "WOW THAT PLAYER IS GOOD HOLY WOAH!", I just don't get that anymore. In terms of gil, I buy WoW gold tokens and I honestly liked it cause it allowed me to cash in on them and get in quickly into content. That might be controversial to say but I like it. I've however never bought gil in FFXIV (obvious by how broke I am). But I wouldn't be opposed to legitimate means to purchase gold from active players for subscription time akin to the WoW token. Bots however..? Ehhh, I don't like the bots. But if FFXIV gave us tokens I'd actually be all for it.
paying others to play your game and earn materialistic titles that are not earned by yourself truly? You got a nice romantic description about all of this, but that is not the way to go my friend. You are indeed spot on though, all those people running around with ultimate clears.. I just dont know if ppl are skilled or just use their strongest skill: the credit card. It however boogles my mind that sellers dont get punished and deleted instantly the moment they appear. They just advertise their stuff 24/7. And this is obvious too. There are far worse problems in the world, but its astonishing how ppl accept these capitalistic practices.
@@Lyu-Phy it is indeed sad that SE does nothing about that, at least in old school runescapes hardest content (inferno) the company temporarily bans person who buys the clear and removes the acquired item (inferno cape) from their account, its just sad that SE doesnt do something like that. As for the sellers its pretty obvious within the raiding community that a LOT of the top raiders sell clears. I don't play on the NA data center but i wouldnt be surprised if Lynx and his static also sell clears, otherwise i dont think he would be defending this pathetic type of behaviour.
I can't say I disagree about your stance on buying clears, but to me the biggest point is the lack of legitimacy on the act, especially when said people try to flex on others because they """""cleared""""" it. I honestly can't take people who do it seriously, so it kinda carries over into the act itself. Most of the time, someone who buys a clear doesn't just want to have a fancy title and/or a fancy shiny glamor, they want to show off and flex for something they didn't really earn. Following one of the analogies you used, it'd be the same as meeting a friend who got a fancy haircut and then they tell you they did it themselves, even though you know they aren't hairdressers / hair stylists in any way, shape or form. But they keep going on and on about how awesome they are and how they did it all by themselves. Nobody would take someone like that seriously.
I get the point of this video, though has anyone ever at least thought to maybe train these people and help them acquire the skills needed to actually help them clear? I've thought about doing this at one point because no one would give me the static experience I needed to do well in savage or end game content. So, I had to fail many times in Pf and create my own party finder to clear content. This was also why I poorly made a generalization that everyone that does high end raids were elitist, which isn't the case.
So... For buying raid clears, I dont usually bother to think badly of it. I'm just finding it weird to see ultimate clears sold for super high prices... I mean, if I had that money I'd use it to pay vacations for my friends so we could pug/clear it together. I do feel that it's wrong however when the rewards are timed, like in PvP ranked, or if they ever do an Ultimate Unreal one day. There will always be peoples botting in the PvP scene or buying throwers, that's sad and that's bad due to the timed aspect of the rewards. (Un)lucky us tho, FF14 PvP is horrible and too few peoples play it anyway. For gils, I am strongly against it due to the nature of the housing market. Especially now with the demolition timer stopped, you can't get a house except by getting one already built in a FC. And peoples love to sell those for stupidly high gil prices, or even for real money. On the other hand, yeah gil doesn't matter in this game. Except in housing, and crafter materias. But the issue is more with the housing system than anything else. And lastly... Services aren't good. :D Thats my two cents on the subject :p But yeh, every people can have different opinion on this based on what they do in the game. :P
Pretty solid thoughts imho. But what’s the point of thoughts if Square will never change things. Square banning players that pay them. Yea don’t see them doing that anytime soon.
I just really enjoy debates & discussion. Ultimately I understand my videos have next to no impact on the game and it's design, but I enjoy talking about topics I'm interested in.
The title and the glowy weapon is a byproduct for me, I do ultimates because it's fun and challenging to do it with friends especially when we try to optimize and FFLOGs ranking is a great tool for that, it's basically rankings for speedrunning in cases. Of course this is not how everyone feels about the titles and glowy weapons but yeah I don't really care if someone buys their clears, I only have issues if like you said they pretend to have cleared and in worst cases where sellers uploads the parse of the bought clear for the buyer (sellers please don't do this). At that point it's detrimental because when recruiting for new members for statics you look at their parses you don't know if they bought a clear or not until you raid with them, and that can be a waste of the time if the player turned out to not what they seem to be and having you to go back and look for members again, rinse repeat.
I completely agree with the points made in the video Gil is not hard to make, just takes some time and diligent effort. On my alt on another server (I learned this from a friend on Gilgamesh, so it'd be pretty scummy to use what I learned and intrude into his market), I did the old method of crafting the "glowing" primal weapons by using Reuse/Reclaim, it was fairly low effort and had good profit margins. Made 130m from just casually logging in and crafting on it, then I just gave it to a friend on that server for their housing wants lol
Like it even matters. A clear doesn't mean sht if you ain't got skills, which brings me to my next point: skill. This game is super casual and it focus on a "memorize the dance" more than reaction. It is basically a joke. I love this game and I always will, but even I am not dumb enough to believe that "skill" is a thing in here. There is also no real progression system, wich has been addressed enough times already (item lvls becoming obsolete once next patch is out)
@@ErrorGameManiac Who cares if somebody says 'fuck' in FFXIV, but you can still be banned for it. I never get the feeling that devs live in the same world as we do tbh, wow included
i think you misread your info im not seeing anything about carries being banned for gold in wow but i am seeing specific things about carries being possibly bannable when external means are involved like websites and discords, etc. blizz wants players to keep it in game so its easier to document i guess
I'd readily pay for a group who can consistently clear content or help others to. But yeah buying gil bad. Edit: I wouldn't think it would be possible to be carried through ultimates you'd still need good knowledge of fight even if you were being carried correct?
If you're paying a group to join you for your clear, I don't necessarily have an issue with that, but you should maybe look for better friends. If you're having someone log in as you to clear the fight, that is what I have an issue with. I don't trust people doing that to not then misrepresent themselves in PF or recruiting sites. Worse, you risk having your account stolen (& if you don't follow best password practices possibly more important accounts).
I have no issue with it. I sometimes even feel bad for those people. Some among them really saw no light in the tunnel, raged through the content with no end in sight. Making common mistakes, just unready for the tier. I cannot expect every person to clear ultimates. Some lack the time, some lack patience. Some cannot cope with the stress. Both sides it's a bit unfair, one side earned their title through the hard work. And the other bought it. But yet again I would argue that there is still a clear difference between the two, the biggest reward you get is that you know you did it yourself. By doing ultimates you do become a better player. You will think about the times you cleared it amongst your team members that joined the endeavour alongside. Thinking yourself what you did to gain it, how long it took you. You learned how to optimize, with or without guides. While the other side thinks about how they bought it.
I don't need a Legend title when I have . A much rarer title to get (only 2 on my server) and nobody in their right mind would sell the title given how hard it is! Lol I'm never taking it off.
@@ensamvarg8504 You essentially need a static of fishers at level 80 with BiS gear who know exactly what their doing to get around the RNG of fishing to catch 150 octopi while ocean fishing. My party just barely managed to get 150 right before the instance ended. It was one of the most nerve-racking things I've ever done in this game.
Personally it drives me pretty crazy that the only option with avoiding the rmt pfs is blacklisting. I don't necessarily like the idea of blisting potentially good players so I don't have to scroll past their ad every day. It's not like I'll ever hardcore prog anyway, I mostly raid for fun or glam, but I'd rather avoid having to wonder if a future static mate was blisted bc they were a terrible player or bc they were running ads in pf every day.
at 3:09 my fc and I exposed this one "raider" for buying a clear because he all of a sudden logged off then logged back in moments later with the e12s book out of nowhere, we asked to see the log to see how he and his team performed. His excuse was "every body was a ps4 player and my act didnt work at the same". something fishy is going on here we check his lodestone doesnt show the achievement or anything but has the e12s mount somehow?
Personally no it’s wrong. But I won’t judge people for doing it. Like you said people do it as a side hustle. And personally that’s something I would do. But its still wrong at the end of the day.
so what you are saying is that a game that cost you 200$+/YEAR requires you to pay 30 for the base game +50 for the dlc + 15 every 30 days has an in-game store with boosts mounts and all of the best cosmetics and emotes ( all this can cost up to 80£ per item ) a game that you have to play 500H+ of boring content just to get to the fun part this game is also pay to win where you can buy gear with real monny and you can pay other ppl to clear the hardest content for you WoW just WoW , and ppl cry about Throne and liberty being pay to win an mony hungry :))) what a joke
Actually there is no problem if someone buys raid or ultimate clears until they didn't go to others and flex with their "clear" and bashing others playstyle and logs. I met people like this and they are horrible. They are not just pretending, they are trashing others who are trying.
I tried it once with just gil on Binding Coil Twintania fight before all the nerfs, but turned out the people who were attempting it couldn't successfully get past twister phase so I got my gil back and got the clear normally a month later.
I don't think this topic has ever crossed my mind until now. Don't think I paid too much attention to other players in general honestly. Unless you have a cool mount or glamour, you're invisible to me.
Gil is worthless? Aren't you being a bit dishonest here? A previous video you made about gear showcased that crafted gear is way too good right now, enabling you to clear raid tiers when they release. You can buy crafted sets with gil, therefore gil has enormous value when a raid hits, and those sets/mats/food/pots etc are certainly not cheap in the first week or so. Will you sideline this by just saying that "Well, don't HAVE to use gil because you can level your own DoL/DoH!"? So it's not pay 2 win but more like pay 2 save time? I genuinely don't see much of a difference between the two, you're fundamentally paying to get better gear with real money (if you RMT) that's good enough to clear endgame content. I understand that you might be a bit hesitant to talk 'shit' about RMT, considering the fact that A LOT of endgame raiders use it (Personal experience), but it's not honest to see no evil.
He probably has millions. I've got 9x retainers making around 200.000 gil a day and I'm still skint ingame because I need tons of Crystal's, materias and armour for levelling all my characters up.
When you have the time you don't have the money, when you have the money you don't have the time. Most people I'm aware of buying raid clears do it because they can't afford to spend the time away from their families to raid. Hard to be in a static for them when they have multiple kids running around but have disposable income. Prestige is really in playstyle and techniques imo, people who have time to raid are impressive in their own right, but i can respect people wanting a glowy weapon or a locked mount who can afford to toss some dollars at it to get the thing they want. I think as long as they aren't going around bragging about their capabilities no harm really done. A few of my friends online swap their titles and gleams out for duty finder so they don't get shamed if they play poorly. Good video and good opinions I think!
These things I personally don't wanna be involved with. But I don't judge others, as long as there is no negative impact on my gameplay, that's my bottom line. If someone wanna buy ultimate clear because he thinks the weapons look cool, I don't give a flying f**k. But if a player apparently doesn't know certain content, claim he does, participate in the content that his real skill cannot match, that's a big no no to me. If you purchase ultimate clear, but actually stay away from raiding, do your crafting, do your dungeons (not poorly), just overall stay low key in terms of challenging content, I'm fine.
Here is the difference between the service a hairdresser and someone doing RMT, the hairdresser need to own or lease an area or building to have their hair salon for that use which in most cases is stated in the contract, but the platform they are using for RMT is FFXIV which in the terms of service state that's not allowed which technically would be a breach of contract with SE and illegal use of a property. Example: My mother is a hairdresser and when she wanted to start her own hair salon she needed to lease an area that needed to follow certain guidelines so all safety measures where there. And in her leasing contract that the area was only gonna be used for cutting hair and selling shampoos and stuff since they need extra ventilation and equipment to operate that was stated. And this also was for products, some stuff that she got was explicitly told was not for sale and only for use in the hair salon. So basically what I am getting at is that selling a service is fine and all, but is not only the service that is what can be illegal it can be where they operate and what contract they operate under. All those need to be legal too, which RMT is not to my knowledge. With Gil and gear, it is even easier to see what they are doing is illegal since they are selling something that is not theirs. They are basically selling something that is owned by SE so in technicality they are selling stolen goods even if it is just code and they paid for the game. Even when you pay, you need to accept the terms of service to get in-game. So I would not have had anything against RMT if it was not explicitly stated in the terms of service that it is not allowed.
I like your analogy, it makes a lot of sense. I wonder if prostitution is a better example for the idea of paying for convenience I tried to portray. It's hard to make these analogies to real world activities haha.
@@NamesLynx I don't know much about that since it is illegal in my country, but you have the right to whatever you want your body kinda. But the same principle is there like if you do it anywhere except at one of the homes of the participants it would be illegal in my country at least. But then the problem is that RTM in FFXIV needs to use FFXIV to transfer Gil or give them the service so RTM kinda has no way of getting around the Terms of Service. The only difference I see is who is enforcing the rules, but rules are still rules. I will say as a disclaimer I don't know how contracts and laws work in other countries so I can only use how it works where I am from. And I studied Media and Communication at school and we had to learn how to read and decipher Terms of Services so you can advertise without breaking Terms of Service. And every person that advertize RMT in-game is definitely breaking Terms of Service no questions asked.
Buying gil for irl cash creates a demand which is why bots are in the game to supply. If you don't like bots in game, how can you say people buying gil has no effect on you?
@@TeaMMatE11 A marketplace created & controlled by square enix where people can sell gil for subscription time or mog station credit. This would incentivize players to go through legitimate means of buying gil (through other players) and also give people with lots of gil a way to obtain mog station items like mounts, fantasias, and outfits through gil.
the gill rmt part I don't have issues with it. However I do with where they are buying from bots gold seller site. If ffxiv had an actual conversion like gw2 etc it goes to developer meh whatever. I use to care bout when you get older you realize people don't have all the time in the world to farm. I never bought gill my self it is really easy to make it tbh, and it gives u sth to do. My friend lol he buys gills. He has alot of work and works two jobs almost in real life. He dose salvage on his own in pf and stuff so that leaves him 0 time for actual gill making etc. He also wants glamour etc so he buys his gill for glamour. It is fine but I do wish the money goes to actual se instead of bots
I just started this game but am a firm believer of forging your own achievements. I do however agree that morally who cares if you buy a clear? Honestly my biggest concern is I know nobody on this game and from my previous experience with PUGs on MMOs is usually they're really REALLY bad and can't sufficiently do harder content without wiping.
I do think the pay for ultimate/savage clears kind of cheapen the prestige of the rewards they entail. If you want those rewards, go learn and play the fucking game... We complain about no content and then do stupid shit like that. I will never do ultimate and thusly never get those rewards. I can never clear the last fight of a raid tier. I'll never get those weapons. And I'm completely okay with that. I respect those who do it legitimately and earn those things. People complain about raiders flaunting their rewards, BUT PEOPLE AFK IN LIMSA WITH WHATEVER GLAM ANYWAY... WHY ARE RAIDERS WHO DO THE SAME AN ISSUE....
I’ve bought Gil before in all honestly I spend it mostly on glamour the rest on minions, emotes and mounts I’ll never buy a raid clear since I play the game mostly for the raids the reason I buy Gil is due to my job I love the game it’s really fun and yes I level up normally doing the daily’s however my job is so busy at times I don’t get much time to play or in too tired to do so and there are other games I want to play as well that don’t require much of a grind yeah I still technically grind by having to level and clear dungeons and all that but not with crafting were most people just use macros and sit there I rather actually be clearing a dungeon or a raid wether it’s for level or progression or just for the fun of it as you get older life becomes more time consuming bright side I have a the cash downside not as much time I just want to have fun after a long day of work is all
Would you have felt the same way before your life got busier or is it simply more convenient to hold that view now? "I don't have time" isn't a valid excuse 😄 "I'd rather do other content" isn't a valid excuse Instead of making excuses, just say the simple truth. "I chose to cheat to take the easy way out, instead of putting in the effort. I don't care that these things damage the games economy for other players, who play the game legitimately" I know I'm way late on this comment but I hate when people make half-hearted excuses to justify their actions. On the bright side, at least you admit it to doing it.
legend titles do hold prestige as only 5000 some odd accounts have all 3 legend titles which is around .005% of the playerbase. They do hold prestige, they are very hard to get and require massive amounts of time commitment for most players. I'd say people with high roller though, those dudes are chads, that title is so impossibly hard to get compared to triple legend.
There's this stigma around ultimate players that I hate, cause I'm friends with some of them. Expecting them to play perfectly even in dungeons where they haven't finished leveling a new job. Having ultimate weapons doesn't mean I have to carry 24 man's. We're human and that shit is bunk.
I just want to clear e8s since i dont have that much time to find the perfect Party Finder, will be throwing gils for those who's going to boost me Is it sad ? Yes if youre playing alone Cant expect my friend list and FC to help because they have their own business
You would still have issues with inflation even if bots weren't a problem with RMT for gil - because a large part of the gil sink in mmos is also from players who have a lot of wealth and leave the game - often many of whom just leave their resources. If RMT was made to be an allowed practice, that wealth would then be redistributed to people willing to pay for it (a lot of the times being fairly new players) and then causing low level/leveling/crafting/high demand items to be even further in demand causing the prices to increase and leaving new players not willing to RMT to be at a deficit. There really is no version or system an mmo can make that can sustain RMT and have a healthy economy for all levels of players. Ethically though, I really don't care, and it makes no difference to me. If there WAS a way to make it work perfectly, then I'd say go for it.
Hey Lynx, My Sight on buying clears etc is a totally different (even when i had Contact to the scene too in WoW as a World 50 Raider) Buying this ACVs prevents this Players from evolving their Skills cause there is no necessary to...they can just buy it. Which in the long term results in a Low-Skill-Playerbase where recruiting for a Raidteam is pure hell. We See it in WoW...since Boosting is massive there is a unbelievable Ammount of Skillfree Players...and since i am in 14 ...it is not better. But if we dont want the Raidscene to die in a long Term we need Players that come after us. For me..and i dont mean this as an Insult...this is a selfish thinking and it ruins a specific Part of the Game.
Buying clears is something I have little opinion on. To me the value in raiding is the experience and the cosmetics are a memento to that experience, so the reward for the time and effort involved is exclusive to what is being transacted in that particular RMT. Buying iLVL to raid Ultimate because Savage is boring or too time-consuming or w/e is understandable, though. Buying gil, however, rubs me the wrong way because the reward for the time and effort involved in accruing it is identical to what would be awarded to one who purchases. When housing in particular is such a limited resource, this RMT is, to me, blatantly unfair to those who abide the ToS.
From my experience the hard part about raiding isn’t learning boss mechanics or executing them flawlessly. It’s the social barriers. That stuff is way too stressful for a lot of people and they’d rather just work a few extra hours at whatever it is they do and pay to not have to deal with it. As a huge introvert I will tell you, high pressure situations like that make you want to just turn off your computer, get a bowl of capn crunch, and go watch early episodes of pokemon escaping into the bliss of a childhood long gone.
Then can you do a video or point me to a video that describes the state of crafting before shadowbringers, and what exactly did shadowbringers do to make crafting have a much less barrier to entry? Or does SE have a patch notes that detail such changes in a way a newcomer can understand?
Basically, they removed a lot of skills, added new skills, and buffed existing skills. Also, there was a crossclass skill system, some skills you need for a craft but you could only get them if you levelled another crafter to a certain level. The same system also existed up till Heavensward for battle classes, btw
I had someone who paid for a boost last time my FC static was doing Savage reclears. This DRG was doing less DPS with their Edenchoir spear than our healer. That's why I have a problem with people paying for Savage clears and raid gear. The people who buy this gear go into raid pfs, they don't know the fight because they didn't do it, and they end up dragging the team down. If it was something like paying for glamour, where one person having it didn't negatively impact the group, that would be one thing, but that's not what happens when people buy raid clears.
Just wanna say that I love the idea of selling raids for Gil. Not real money. See, I'm fresh with my straight 80s, and haven't been playing for a year, so I still have fashion items, materials and gear I need to buy. I'm gradually farming crystarium, but my crafters are so far behind their good gear and the master tomes needed to craft it that I would love selling high end content in game for game currency/tomestone mats.
Yes : Because it sets a president for the whole game. Start selling Gil and clears unofficially and it isn't too long before it becomes expected and blends into official decisions too... Not to mention the fact that as soon as it's officially "legal" to do these things in the game it lowers the overall impact of personal success and makes effort to play it legitimately feel like the lowly foolish option... And that would be while subbing! 🤷♀️🤦♀️
I like your opinion and I share your thoughts. I want tbh I bought Gil a couple of times simply because I don't do anything in the game that makes a lot of money. I dislike crafting, I dislike gathering. I am not having fun doing that and I don't want to put up a bot to do that for me because I would feel bad for doing so. I don't do a lot of treasure maps either so there is not much left. So I ended up buying gil before every Tier to afford Crafted Gear and Pentameld on day 1 and honestly I can live with that. Regarding the Ultimate weapons and titles, I have all three Ultimates down but I turned off my titles because I don't like titles in this game and I didn't glam any Ultimate weapon either because I am using full Dreadwyrm for almost 3 years now on almost all of the roles and this will probably never change but if someone really likes how the weapons look like and he can't clear the content or doesn't have the time then where is the problem in buying it? I mean yes it's against the ToS but besides of that? I used to spend money a few years ago in TCGs, especially MTG. Since I was interested in entering tournaments I went for the Meta Decks and modified them in my own way. To not spend my money in Booster packs and 50 copies of the same useless uncommon card that I don't even play in my deck before I finally get the rare card that I want, I simply bought the cards that I needed directly online. At the end of the day nobody cared about that. The deck wasn't more dishonest than the others because of that. At the end the only thing that matters is can you play the deck or not, if you are not able to pull off the combos it doesn't matter that it is a Meta Deck and nobody cares about how you got the cards. It's the same thing with buying a clear. I couldn't even care less about someone buying an Ultimate or Savage clear and I don't really understand why people are getting mad about it. If someone wants to spend his money to get a clear then let him spend his money. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On the topic of buying gil I wanted to clarify a point that was brought up to me after making this video. Buying gil and inflating the economy can make it harder to make money and that lack of ability to make money can be an unfair barrier to entry into things like housing. I feel like this is more of an issue with gil farming bots, and not strictly a problem with gil buyers. Bots, in most cases, are the real issue.
i have to disagree with them as when you buy gil that gil doesnt get generated and instead it is in the possession of the seller and they just distribute the gil, if anything the ways to get gil from the game itself and the lack of an actual gil sink to dump all the excess gils that are created from the game itself is the problem, they should add some optional things that requires you to use alot of your gil to obtain and that is the correct way to regulate inflation and economy (like other mmos)
The barrier to buying housing is how housing was made tbh. Like I’ve only seen things like it in Gilga being advertised in the housing subreddit/discord but I’ve often seen whole wards owned by a single person/FC. Props to them for getting the Gil to do all that but I can’t help but say it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
The gil buyers get money from the bots. How is this hard to understand.
Bad take. The only reason gil farming bots exist on a noticeable level is because of gil buyers.
Selling clears is whatever people can throw their money away if they want, but buying gil directly contributes to funding bots and actively ruining the game. It's never going to change because people are selfish and lazy, but I can't support gil buyers or people who buy currency in any MMO.
If nobody would buy the gil there wouldnt be that many bots.
Is it wrong to buy raid clears ? no.
Is it sad ? yes
Best answer so far :D
for me its somehow really sad because raid gear isnt irrelevant at all outside raiding.Its not like you can use top raid gear for Pvp or something.So i dont understand those people at all :/
@@DrunkenSailors1 And people in in parties are gonna understand that something is up when you don't perform nearly as good as your gear says you should.
Older PCS and lag and bad pin have kill this game for a lot of people
it's wrong, period
Been seeing a lot of “Legends” who play absolutely terribly. Now I’m starting to wonder...
To be fair, they're still people and make mistakes.
But yeah most of the time they bought the clear.
Reminds me of back when I was still progging through E7S and had an Ultimate Legend healer who straight up left the raid because he didn't want to adjust to play any other position but HIS position in the run. Most people learn to be flexible on their way through savage into ultimate. It's one of many parts of being a good end game raider.
You have to remeber just cause they put 100 hours I to say TEA dosent mean they have 100 hours in say the latest ex/savage, you don't have to be the best in the game to clear an ulti, just have to have the time and put effort into it. Gotta say I have my TEA clear but I can still wipe a group on e5s commonly for example
Naw
When I get all my weapons I'm going full casual.
I am a legend without the title :3
I understand that in the vid it was said the the titles have lost their "prestige" and I can even agree that some of content is old now, but the fact still remains, this is meant for those dedicated enough, even today as it is still locked behind level sync and you need to know what you're doing in there, to get it done.
To have someone just come in and never put in any effort or being done with the content after maybe just killing the 1st boss and then flaunting the title and weapon, it just sucks.
All the while, people are out there trying their very best to get this done even today.
It just feels like a slap to the face to those working towards obtaining, and those that have obtained, their titles and weapons in a legitimate way.
I think the prestige is still here while you are talking to a ult clear buyer and they cannot tell what their team strategy was.
"To have someone just come in and never put in any effort or being done with the content after maybe just killing the 1st boss and then flaunting the title and weapon, it just sucks."
Serious question, have you actually cleared any of the ultimates? Because since day 1 of Ultimate release I've heard this argument over and over and none of them have come from anyone who's actually cleared the content.
Basically anyone I've ever talked to or raided ultimate with could not give less of a shit if someone has gotten the title unearned. The content is equally as difficult as it is before and after someone gets carried through it, the challenge is still there and that's what people who dedicated themselves to hundreds of hours of ultimate were after in the first place.
@@feelsxaadman9559 Yes, I have cleared both UWU and TEA. Ucob we'll be doing it sometime Sept. I originally got to Tenstrike Trio way back when it was 1st out.
You aren't wrong about people not talking about it meaning anything, but it still doesn't mean that buying clears does not under value the efforts of those that do it legitimately.
Example: You have a friend that comes in to FFXIV and you yourself did all Ultimates and it took you many months to do so (Some people it take a whole year for just 1 fight). Now, said friend has everything you have and more by week 5-6 into the game because he/she got really into it and money is a non-factor to them, or for whatever reason, they just bought it period.
You're telling me you wouldn't feel even a bit ticked off by this? Especially if this next new Ultimate coming at the end of this current expansion you are trying to do it and this friend casually pops up with the clear and wpn once sellers start selling the runs?
That's all I'm saying when I said it's a slap to the face to those trying to do this, or even those that got the clear.
We all know that if there is a way to cheese/buy clears or content, there are tons of people that will do so.
I wouldn't be surprised that if there would be a program out there that could play the game for you and would do your parse runs, people would be on that crap and be faulting their ranks as if they did it themselves. This is the absolute worst thing that everyone hates, when you talk big because you got the purchased titles/wpns/clears and you start believing your own lie in-game and/or you start acting like you deserve "special" treatment. When others find out though, GL to you.
I've called out many in Primals a bunch and raids. Sad really.
Can you buy clears = Sure
Is it frowned upon = Yes, by those that play legit. No, by those that are of similar way of thinking or provide the service because they are making some money out of it and by those that really don't care about it either way.
All I can say is that at least I can proudly say that I have never purchased or had anyone jump into my games (any game) to get me stuff. I've earned all my stuff. :)
I won't lie though, I kind of wish someone could do the pvp stuff for me to get that nice looking armor and wpns (the hellhound ones).
I just don't like the pvp in this game. lol
I had the hardest time clearing E5s in PUG groups. I almost gave up after awhile. Four months to clear is ridiculous! ..... but, after finding a savage discord has made things easier. The people who know how to clear will do it, out of the kindness of their hearts, as long as the players are willing to miss out on weekly loot. Thanks to discord I am slowly clearing content, but without it I would have given up a long time ago. Thanks to all my discord server friends for helping me get through!
After joining the raid discord and went through 1 and a half static (I didn’t know I was just a substitute), I’m still no closer to clearing E8S
@@MrNK1411 git guder
What's the savage discord if you don't mind me asking?
Just join a static my friend .
@@iveeiselia2318 I whish I could. Work in healthcare 12 hour night shifts without a set schedule. So I'm stuck to pugging.
Despite the higher number of people rocking legend titles. I would still say there is a certain level of prestige/legitimacy to having the weapons/title. Posts on various raid finding discords, both on static lf members and people looking for static will state explicitly the extent of their ultimate involvement. Legend titles still mean "experienced" in my opinion. Also gil buying gives reason to have gil bots, so I would say that having an issue with bots should also come with having a problem with gil buyers.
Agreed. if you get rid of the buyers, the sellers, aka the bots, will not have any customers and cannot afford to run.
"with how easy crafting has been made in Shadowbringers"
me who still gets confused over crafting: now i feel stupid :(
@Doro Ilya Dalamiq has a really nice video on the basics! It’s really intimidating getting into it, but crafting is super worth it!
The worst part of crafting is leveling it tbh
I had an FC mate generously boost my WVR from 1-70 using Levequest items and I’ve been doing the Dwarf Beast tribe so I can get the Tank mount
Ngl I got intimidated by the first quest that had me make a HQ item but it only took me 2 tries to get it.
@@NeFlorence already have all crafters at 80. just endgame crafting confuse the shit out of me
Doro There are macros who just do the work for you though. Just copy paste it and let it do the work for you.
Yeah, it's not easy. I leveled all crafters to 80, bought all the recipe books, geared up, penta-melded, etc. That was a long slow process, especially with all the job quests you have to do or you don't get all the abilities. Then, once you get to 80 and go to make some neo gear or something, you look at the materials required and you're like, "where tf do I get that, and that, and that, and that...", only to find out you have to spam dungeons etc. for tomestones for some ingredients, rare node spawns for other ingredients, dungeon mobs for another ingredient, a different kind of currency for yet another ingredient, white crafting scrips for another ingredient, etc. It's quite the pain in the ass to do without just buying what you need from the market, but that can really eat in to your profit. Sure if you buy a few hundred million gil, buy everything you need off the market, google macros, never taking the time to learn the system and how it all works together, etc., sure that would be easy, but what's the point? Sure wouldn't be very rewarding, imo.
It's funny you bring this up now considering I was doing my Unreal Shiva re-clear in pf and of course someone joins with the "ultimate legend" title but unfortunately he/she was not as advertised and ended up dying throughout the fight to several mechanics and killing others in the process especially with the kb marker mechanic... Smh I hate RMT.
The problems are not the activities themselves as much as the underlying factors that drive their markets. While buying a raid clear is not terrible in an of itself, I have yet to meet someone who does it simply "for the title" or "for the weapon" without the ability to claim the skill necessary to obtain them...after all, they cost a lot of money and likely feel "entitled" to claim such ability as a result of the purchase. Further, the transaction of gil buying and selling is fine in my opinion if the gil was earned through legitimate means. However, I would be shocked if these make up even 1% of the total gil sold online; so much of it is acquired from bot farming and account scamming that tying the them together is a logical conclusion.
Lol omg I hate those party finder ads 😂
i just wish they would do more against the bots
I don’t really care what people spend their personal gil on tbh. What I have an issue with is people paying others to do harder content and then taking credit for it by bragging about getting clears? A person was exposed awhile back for doing exactly that and spouting nonsense like “You’ll only find enjoyment from FF14 if you do the harder raiding content”. You couldn’t even clear the content yourself so please zip it lmao.
Well I dont know about spouting or bragging false claims as the initial reward for clear buyers. But honestly you can tell who they really are in major city places. Its usually the players who just afk around with their ultimate wpns out. It sounds like a bias statement I know, but real raiders do not waste their time standing around in a spot for hours.
Buying clears just defeats the whole point of the encounter....especially in ultimate
There is a reason they never locked mounts behind ultimate and only made the weapons bis for the patch they released them on,the point is the challenge,and buying a clear for that just for a title and a wep is...disgusting in my opinion
What about baldesion arsenal. the only way to get Ozma mount is to clear the 52 man raid.
@@Saint-Soren for BA you could join your server's eureka linkshell / discord and sign up for runs. The level of difficulty between ultimates and BA are quite different
@@Saint-Soren BA and eureka in general has dedicated discord communitied on each DC that coordinate runs and do callouts
Baldesion arsenal is not an ultimate,the difficulty is like an ex trial but in alliance raid form
The reason why they didnt locked mounts behind ultimate is just that there arent any mounts they could bring in! Mounts you get from fights scream: "I get this from this savage or this ex trial!" But how much I think about it they couldnt really bring some mount that would make sense! Like twintania already exist as friend invite bonus or nael isnt really a good mount! Ultima is also not really mount doable andso on! Its not because "oh when we make a mount then everybody will buy this fight!" Thats definetly not what Yoshi P's thinking!
Also only weapon bis for this patch is because: it wouldnt really be intelligent it giving the weapon much more ILVL! 1. Ultimate comes 3-4 month before next tier (bahamut, uwu and alex not the next one) giving it more ILVL like 350, 380 or 480 wouldve been to overpowerd for that tier! People with alex weapons wouldve destroyed 4 months long the expierence for other player and other player wouldve just been carried through the current tier! Also at the start of the next tier most people wouldnt even need to invest time and money in a better weapon and could just start shredding chaos, or ramuh because of the better weapon! No real enrage fear! Think about the real reason and dont create a reason why they did it!
They did it because: it isnt logical to do it!
@@hakkepeterDruckfehler I think the reason SE didn't do it is because Ultimate falls into SE's "superboss" tradition in Final Fantasy where you get fuck all as a reward for clearing the hardest content aside from the challenge and bragging rights. In this case, the weapon fits that description as it's certainly pretty to look at, but it's functionality is limited compared to a mount.
"Lying is is always worse" - 4:00
and it is obvious we all have already clicked "Yes, I agree" on the EULA page when starting this game. i.e. it's pretend to endorse to the EULA, I cant see the difference.
set a side this point, I played EVE before. EVE is totally the case you want, there is an official method to RMT. Part of alliances are actually pushing people to RMT, and let the alliance win the fight. The nature of game is different, but I can tell some raid groups would push players to RMT and buy crafted gear on release day 1, and hell a lot of bots coming out (there are a lot already), finally destroy economic system, and makes the game less fun unless you RMT. If there is a channel from real life money to game money, and game money to gear, then its pay to win. You argue about MOST of the things are cosmetic, but there are A LOT OF gears or clears you buy make you more powerful. Creating such channel IS pay to win. Whether it is to win in the next patch never matters, which is the same as your current computer will never be as good as those in 10 years, and it doesn't mean you are not gonna get a better gaming experience at this very moment. No matter it is to win temporarily or permanently, it is pay to win.
And from my ideology of gaming: It is another world, except for I pay for subscription or buy the game in one shot. So I don't want to see such things officially allowed as a part of the game, or publisher not strictly enforcing the rules.
Love such discussions, honestly wish more parts of the community shared their thoughts on such manners.
People usually shy away from discussing things, especially more controversial topics like this one, because there's always gonna be some idiot telling them to "go back to wow" or something.
Yea I really enjoy debates and discussions so these kinds of videos are very fun to make :D
Completely disagree. Yes, there is "less" prestige in an ultimate title and weapon as more people clear that content, but the margin is low enough to where it still holds it. When just as many people buy those clears, it dilutes the pool to the point where no one believes legitimate clears anymore.
Yeah it's "just a title in an mmo lol", but isn't the whole point of mmo endgame to get swag others don't have? Doesn't this go hand in hand with your problems on BiS being irrelevant? "Who cares if you can just load up on crafted gear every tier lol you raid just for funsies!" Certain things should be and should stay as rare, whether someone has money to throw away or not. Or maybe I'm just bad, idk.
Well I can only give you my perspective and I'm sure many people will have different perspectives. Getting into ultimate and clearing ultimate for me was more about proving that I can do it and having the weapon as proof. It was more about personal satisfaction and fulfillment, not so much feeling like I'm better than other people. I know that I can clear ultimate, I know that I have the skill, let me do the fight and prove that I can do it.
On the topic of how this relates to my gear issue, once again it's more about personal satisfaction than being better than others. I don't care if you have high item level gear, I don't care if you have an ultimate weapon. I just want to have my gear matter beyond the content I got it from, I want my ultimate weapon and title to be proof that I completed a challenge. I agree things should stay rare, and I think the price of an ultimate clear will dictate the rarity. Ultimates are not being handed out for 10-20 dollars, they cost hundreds, sometimes over a thousand dollars, just for 1 clear. The amount of paid ultimate clears is extremely low, and 99% of legends you see will have gotten it legitimately. For that reason, I don't feel like a small group of people paying for a glowy weapon really takes away from mine. I have it, I got it through weeks of progression, and I'm satisfied with my reward.
Lastly, I want to clarify that I am not in support of RMT. I don't like it, but I just also don't really care if you do it. It's similar to my stance on alcohol. I stay sober, I do not drink at all. I don't like alcohol, I think it can only be neutral or negative, and I don't think it is a good thing. But if you drink I don't really care. I won't hate you for drinking alcohol, because it doesn't impact me.
@@NamesLynx Would you consider FFLogs to be a reference for legitimacy of ultimate clears? Is it common to not post logs for ultimate? From what I've heard, most groups who sell clears don't post logs to avoid implicating themselves. The way I see it, if you have no log for your ultimate clear but wear a title and flash a weapon, you're already attracting attention to yourself, but now have nothing to substantiate its legitimacy. From what I've had friends tell me, a grey 9 on an ultimate is still better to show off than to have nothing on your logs at all, because clearing an ultimate (especially on a center like Crystal) is still a fairly big accomplishment and proof of mechanical proficiency is better than no proof at all, even if your DPS sucks or you had a death or 2.
I can't say for any certainty, but there are a lot of people on this data center with no public logs to go with their titles and gear and the total number of posted logs gives an impression that our center is very much behind the curve for Ultimate content, yet I still see the cities absolute littered with titles. I don't necessarily go out of my way to "fact check" anyone for their titles or gear, but I do kinda raise an eyebrow when I see them show off some abysmal performance during Savage while swinging around a TEA sword. It's pretty easy to tell who is and who isn't legit just from watching the way they play, let alone even factoring in the ACT or FFLogs.
That said, I'm still preparing to begin Ultimate prog myself, so I don't have any clears of my own and haven't really been around too many people who have cleared.
TheBoltokPriest I don’t have a log for my UwU clear because me and all of my friends are on ps4 :(( I literally have no idea what my dps is and tbh I’m kinda sad about that lol
@@ravelleburns7500 That's totally fair and it literally never crossed my mind as a PS4 player myself that there'd be a situation where there wasn't at least one person logging like that. I 100% know the frustration of being unable to tell how well I'm doing and being totally reliant on someone else to feed me data. Thanks for bringing that to my attention!
If you want a cool title, just get Necromancer title. It's for soloing the whole PotD
imo, its ok to buy clears with gil (as long as it is "honest" gil) ... some players endgame is hardcore raiding, others (most) glamour, some fishing, others crafting and gathering and being super rich...
if they have the money to buy it, let them do it, as long as they dont go around bragging they "cleared" it or pretending they know the fight.
Wasn't selling clears for gil specifically allowed? Yea, I know piloting and rmt is not allowed, but selling carries as is shouldn't be bannable, right? Oh yea, love your videos, keep up the good work!
If you go to the PVPbank and buy TEA clear, it is about 540 dollars for a clear. Doing the math, it is about 67.50 per person, which is pretty good for the sellers. The buyer made the decision to spend 540 dollars for a glowy weapon and a title. I agree with Lynx, if people want to spend money on pixelated gear, that has no value, but flexing on people in Expert Roulette, then more power to them. I honestly would just use the 540 dollars and get myself a new kayak with a trip to the lake.
They spent $540 for a TEA clear? HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I wouldnt pay for a clear but instead for a spot on an ultimate static lol finding a group that is already set up and willing to bring in someone with prior savage exp but no ultimate exp is probably harder than the actual fucking ultimate content
Yeah thats thats generally the problem and what sparks selling raid clears. You have to have experience in previous ultimate content to get accepted in the group. This is why finding a group is more harder than clearing the content for many. So they opt out in just buying a clear.
The problem with selling carries for the normal user is the spam, from world of warcraft some chats are basicly unusable because of all the carry sellers trying to find buyers, and it's not just 1 person selling, it's a lot. every carry group has one, or maybe even two that spams the chats over and over (even if it's once every 5 or 10 minutes, having hundreds still add up)
Also, I dissagree about the prestige, it might not mean anything to you, however people who are progressing right now, or just done, I am sure they feel the titles mean something, and as a player who doesn't have it, but want to get in the future, buying/selling carries kinda diminish the fantasy of this "mega rare cool" title, cos that's something i feel most mmo players want, something to kind of raise above the heads of others, be it super rare glam, mounts, weapons and titles. That is something wow is missing at the moment because of all the carries diminish the rewards, You can't look at someone and look up to them anymore without the thought in the back of your mind wether they got carried or not, not to mention it removes the scarcity of the reward just turning them into everyday items which no one will care about.
If you are doing ultimate just for the weapon/title then idk what to tell you.
@@ChocolateBananurs Well, personally I would do it to see it, but the rewards is a very nice badge of honor if it's really as difficult as people say.
@@ChocolateBananurs I'm doing uwu right now with my static for the clear to recieve the weapons and title.
@@MyntenEU If you wanna do it for the challenge then sure, but I personally dont know people who see the weapon and title and instantly give respect. If you personally like the glamor then cool but wearing it and thinking people will care about it is a lie.
@@Rycotta Cool?
anyone can spend money they made/have on whatever they want. if the purchased item is illegal or taboo, and they get caught, they get the consequences that are associated with it also.
the problem is that the company doesnt do enough to punish those people, i know people who have been selling clears since 2017 and still play the game to this day because SE just wont do shit.
One thing I'll add is the 'Time' factor. Some folks want to play the content, but just don't have the time to commit to learning the end game fights or ultimate. I've also come across folks who are just crafter/gatherer mains and don't care for the savage or ultimates at all. At the end of the day, determined folks are going to get their clears one way or another.
Excellent commit. I clear most Extremes with relative ease, but with a daughter and family I don’t have time to learn ultimate raids. I believe I have the skill due to my performance in endgame extremes but I simply don’t have the time for Savage content or Ultimate. 😬 I love your perspective.
The real problem with this too is that people who buy usually get more experienced players to play with their account. It is no longer that you know the fight, it is that another player is playing with your account to complete the fight.
And it is common knowledge that much of the gold that circulates through these sales ends up on RMT pages.
who pays for raid clears? if so why pay for a sub? I thought the whole idea was to play the game. you gonna pay someone else to sleep with your SO?
the same people who thinks sleeping with their so is a chore ( esp if you are married or been in a very long relationship or ttc) believe it or not there are quite a few people who thinks that way, Just look at any trying to conceive sites. Not everyone thinks salvage is fun but wants the glamour for their outfit.
@@7lol2007 this pretty much
Well a lot of people in this game don't raid. The obvious answer is "just get into raiding if you want raid rewards" which I tend to agree with, but also I don't get bothered by someone paying to skip the raiding aspect and get their reward. It's like buying a level boost or story skip in my opinion.
@@NamesLynx it doesn't really bother me as it doesn't affect me but I don't understand it. for me the point is to play the video game and become more competent at it to take on greater challenges to reap the intrinsic rewards of those challenges. the gear to me is a means to take on further challenges.
I guess i can understand if there is a mount or something that someone wants and doesn't want to or can't put together a group to take on the challenge. the level boost or story skip i perfectly understand especially if you don't enjoy narrative and already know how to play the game. at this point i think i would take a skip to get to end game again and watch the story as i wish to although i am not really willing to pay extra for it.
@@7sins979 I agree with you on what you said but from my Pov on this matter i think that people who buy Ultimate or any end game clear like a lot of people said just want it for glamour and i think the same way . and i think most of them > not all < don't have the time to form/join a static and try to clear stuff like that since they have a family + jobs and have only a few hours to enjoy the game
The biggest thing I have against RMT for gil is that I remember the gold sellers from WoW hacking people's accounts to clean them out and send the gold to the buyer. Before you say that this activity is a myth, it happened to my wife.
In WoW it happend directly myself. before that i had not known how they sell their gold but... after that i hate them. xD and before they "fixed" it in ff14 the RMT spam had made the game nearly unplayable until you blocked every chat. xD it was horrible.
i really have nothing against selling game money for real money(in eve online you can do that pretty good) but IF someone get somehow damaged(hacked or something) it's game damaging. the same is for the "normal" way they generate the game currency(like gil) they flood the game markets with "bottomless" cheap items and destroying the game economy. >_< in my years of online gaming, i experienced a couple of games that got killed that way because they were player-economy based.
@@Kizucha87 Eve Online was great, I learned the hard way that you shouldnt try to pod your way accross the universe to give somebody a plex
I can agree with most of your points but not on the buying clear, but really depends on the content. Buying an ultimate clear will just give someone a shiny weapon and a title. On savage though you give those players the option to join the duty complete parties and this 100% will cause wipes and most likely not a clear at all for those who deserve it. I know it is not a thing that you will see often but keep that in mind, those players will waste other people's time and time in my opinion is the most valuable currency, far more important than gil or even real money and that will affect more people who don't have much time to play due to real life responsibilties.
RMT/gil for runs is Pathetic and sad
RMT for items/gil = promoting bots and spammers
The problem with prestiege being buyable is when I see someone with a nyalotha allseer after week 4 I don't think to myself oh that person is 12/12 mythic and they earned it, I think oh that person probably bought a mount carry. I don't think that's how a "prestiegous" reward should be. Idk if people sell BA runs, but I think having a Physeos weapon at this point is more prestiegous than having an ultimate weapon.
This is another reason I ended up streaming my group's TEA prog.
Besides the fact we were all degenerates with horrible humor and I wanted the world to know how awful we were.
I WISH more people would prog for their clears! Our prog was legitimately the MOST fun I've had in XIV in my 6 years of playing this game.
I feel that: If anyone can find enough like-minded people they can have an extremely memorable experience earning their flashy pixels themselves.
But at the end of the day it's just a video game that we enjoy to play however we want. And that's okay!
Well... I am glad you enjoyed it. I tried a static group. Showing up on time felt like another job. So, l just memorize the whole fight and pay raid sellers to raid with me.
If I had a dollar for every people I know that bots.
No, all raid clears provide is a sense of accomplishment. Either for those who did it blind, those who did it week 1 in 480 gear, those who beat it before the next patch, those who beat it before the next raid tier, those who beat it in general. Its all relative and the only thing you can flex is to yourself in the mirror
When I spot someone with an Ultimate title nowadays, the first impression I get now is "Oh wow, another player who likely paid for a boost, nice."
Let's not pretend here, people who buy those clears don't have the means to do them themselves so they usually make use of Piloting and of RMT in case they can't pay up in gil.
By allowing clears Square is creating a situation where they can't monitor and control the players, and what's worse is that they allow people to set up and advertise inside the game itself.
The reality is that Ultimate weapons and titles ARE symbols of skill, a symbol that has now lost so much value because of the greed of a few people and because of Square's stance on the topic.
Ban all forms of paid clears, simple as that.
What's funny is that they also "don't accept outside evidence" and yet they slapped Xenosys.
And yet there's always a shit ton of advert spams IN GAME and yet so little is actually done...
To be fair, the amount of people actually buying Ultimate clears is very low; significantly lower than those who legitimately clear. You'll notice the bad Ultimate players more because they stand out more. So I wouldn't dismiss the title or weapons out of hand.
That's my 1st impression to.
I have been on this game since it came out and I know the raid scene pretty well. I do pug to with my Alt.
Trust me when I tell you that lots of players out there did not earn their weapons or title.
I at least have some respect to those that have admitted into having their friend, GF, or BF do the fight for them just because they wanted the weapons for glam.
The ones I dislike are the ones using the title and flaunting it even though they didn't control their characters for the clear.
I'm of the mindset of you either earn it, or not, period.
Paying for something is essentially cheating and I don't like that. My opinion.
Thank you for being a reasonable human being. It's sad too see so many people are ok with buying/selling content. It is the most disgusting thing.
I like to attribute buying raid clears similar to buying a level boost or story skip from the mog station. The same argument can be made that leveling teaches you your class, the mechanics of the game, and fundamental skills. Yet the boosts still exist. Buying a level boost means you should learn your class and put more time in to catch up with the mechanics of the game, similarly buying a raid clear means you should learn the fights and put in the effort to play well if you decide to play that content on your own.
I am at uwu suppresion with my static and I am very happy that my static leader streams this because then I have prove that I indeed myself killed it! Because most people just scream "you definetly bought it" without prove when THEY do a mistake and dont want to admit it!
Also I really dont mind people buying the clear! The only thing I am jealous of is the money they must have to buy this!! As I get it to buy a clear cost over 200-1000 dollar right?! Ive could never throw so much money just to have a good glam!
I mean in the end the only thing they do is getting a nice glam! If they happy with that why not! I just do it the hard way, but in the end I safe money!
Thats the only thing I think about it! Its like, you have the money to buy a car?! Cool I take the bike because it safes me money!
Also: you can definetly see if people bought it when they only have one weapon! Because you buy one clear! People which killed it themselves have mostly 3 up to all 16 weapons! Like myself want at least 6 kills! For 3 tanks and 3 heals!
RMT is against the ToS, people buy clears should be banned for at the very least a week and have their title and weapon removed from the account.
This kinda makes me glad I play on JPN data center, I don't see any PF ads at all, but then again, I see a lot of JP Only instead xD
The economy of FF14 is already ruined by FF14 because there isn't any reason to spend gil, like you said. There isn't a gil sink around. Even if bots weren't running wild, the economy would be boned just by that alone.
i feel like another way to frame the buying content bit is to compare it to ways it could, and does, get done without paying for it.
i'm not a very good player, i've only cleared fulmination and furor this tier, but i know people who have beaten every savage fight and every ultimate fight.
they're my friends.
if i asked if my friends were willing, i could get them to carry me through savage and potentially ultimates and, while it wouldn't be instant, i'd eventually get those clears and it'd be much, much faster than pugging or trying to go with a group that has never beaten that content because 7/8 already know and have cleared the content.
buying content just changes "asking my friends" into "buying from strangers".
Real talk - if I have 10m gil and a group is offering a clear for Ultimates for 10m gil, as long as it remains a completely in-game transaction, I see 0 issue with it. If crafters can sell items that can carry you through crafting content, then why can't battlers sell you clears that carry you to higher ilevels?
For me, when RMT enters the equation, that's when it's not okay. It's against the ToS.
Crafters sell items, not content completion. The two aren't comparable.
I wasn't against buying gil until I found out they farm the gil with bots.
Very clear and reasonable argument! Love the “buying yourself a haircut to win” example lol!
How is paying for a haircut the same as buying gil? Purchasing gil circumvents the entire gameplay loops required to "legally" gain that kind of wealth. If it takes me 5 hours to make 5 million gil, but i make 50 dollars an hour irl, I have a significant advantage of TIME over those who either don't have the money or are trying to play legit. The amount of gil someone can earn from essentially an outside source compared to in game is astronomical. Then that money can immediately go towards buying clears that you have arbitrarily decided have no value because you've had them for a long time.
Get off your high horse.
Your time argument is pretty bad considering square sells level boosts and story skips which is the same thing
@@NamesLynx except those exist as catch up mechanics for a game with a never ending story and ever expanding level ceiling. Inevitably a game like this will have to provide a sort of catch up feature. In this case, this is provided by the games creators and has no impact on the economy of the game. Moreover, the leveling process is a miniscule part of the life of a player. Youll spend maybe 40 hours leveling initially then thousands doing other things.
I’ve had a NIN in hades EX wayyyy into the patch so it’s easy now, however he/she had the perfect Alex weapon and the title on. They couldn’t get through phase 1 without dying. I called them out and they said they bought it. I don’t mind but having the weapon and title you should have skill levels up to atleast savage.
That’s the expectation of having done/bought ultimates.
Crazy topic, and a comment made, that those who sell clears etc don’t make a lot... I know for a fact a few ppl that joined my fc yrs ago who pre HW, who I got into raiding, from HC crafters.. 2 whom became very good friends, they both told me and showed me proof of how much they make selling Gil/clue crafted gear, $500-1500/wk isn’t much? I was also part of a team that was selling Garuda/Titan HM/EX for months on end, I never sold my share of the Gil per clear but a few team players sold theirs and they were making $200-500+/wk.. tho I do agree with most of what you said, that part isn’t true, maybe today it’s slower then prior xpacks but I do know a few who sell and make enuf to live comfy, I mean what’s the point of having a character and 6 retainers fully maxed with Gil if you’re not selling?? To each their own on a risk that could end your game career.
You can, but we both know you're shit underneath all that gear when your still eating bad breath in Aurum Vale
well it is unfair especially when people go hardcore to make gil as much as possible to buy a house. That almost like p2w style and would definitely make the game go bad if not caught.
buying a house isnt exactly p2w if your buy gil, also gil is ridicously easy to make now i just cant see how this is a problem whatsoever
@@Kirianda If it's so easy to make, then there's even less excuse for buying it, yes?
Buying clears to me is no different than getting carried through an Instance by friends - whatever. Although it should be done entirely out of game.
I've never bought gold in WoW - either illicitly or via a token. I've never bought gill in FFXIV. I have no problem with people who do getting their accounts banned. I don't know how much it happens in XIV but a lot of the Gold sold in WoW wasn't from bots, it was from hacked accounts.
I was under the assumption that Ultimate clears aren't possible without all 8 people doing their best and doing all the mechanics.
7 others might be able to make up for a lack of DPS, but its not like they can just AFK while you clear. They do have to participate in the fight.
They're not buying a clear per se, they're buying the use and time of 7 other competent people, so yeah.
They earned the title imo. Its just unfortunate they couldn't join a competent group without having to pay for it.
RMT ruins the economy. Mogstation does not.
RMT undermines the company. Mogstation supports it.
However! If FFXIV had an official RMT like WoW's token system... I think that would hurt it even more.
Im pretty sure they log into your account to clear it for you, cus getting payed 50 bucks to babysit these fake legends for months for a clear doesn't sound like a worthwhile time
On the gil selling topic, I don't think people wanting to buy gil is a bad thing. It would be great for players if Square implemented something similar as the WoW coin/token that allows you to exchange it for real word currency in their own client. They could potentially kill a lot of the gil farming since people would buy it officialy (as a Mogstation item), then they could sell it for gil ingame. Those who need the gil would pay to square and not a seller, and also those who really need real world money to keep playing or buy aesthetic items could so by buying that kind of item with gil. In any case, the money is still circulating in the mogstation, and someone actually payed for the cosmetic or sub, directly or not. What Blizzard intented with that kind of tokens to fight RMT, but also gave the opportunity to many players to keep playing. Of course, the impact in the game economy and the crafters is considerable, and i'm pretty sure the devs are worried about that. But they kinda ruined the crafters already by doing them so easy and unrewarding.
Also, if Square decided to sell in the Mogstation gear glamour and titles from the Savage and Ultimate raids, i'm sure A LOT of people would buy them, and among those some that are currently criticizing the content sell/purchase. I'm with you Lynx, i couldn't care less. I play for myself and i don't need to brag on a clear or a certain glamour, only to have fun with the content devs create and share laughs with my friends. I don't need to prove them anything, that's why we're friends in the first place.
I'm not entirely sure on this, but one issue I've heard with people selling in game things for real money is that it infringes on SE, as they're selling something that's technically SE's property.
Wiseman Dragonexx Not exactly, they are technically selling their own time invested and that in of itself is not a problem.
The issue becomes that it’s only worth it to sell gold/Gil/currency in MMOs if you can do it through botting / hacking. Otherwise it’s a really inefficient way of making money. Botting and hacking though ruin the game, so RMT, which supports those, has to be banned.
I have some mixed feelings about your opinion on this one, but while I agree to some extent, there is one part specifically I vehemently disagree with and that is about ultimate raiding.
I do not particularly care about people buying or selling clears for most other things, as things like old raid tiers definitely *do* degrade in prestige quite quickly. And something like O12S or an A12S weapon or mount has lost its much of its prestige by this patch, due to being able to unsync it and do it relatively easily with just a random party finder group, so if someone is selling eden clears I really don't care too much as in a year or so it'll be like whatever anyway. However, ultimate content, in my opinion, has *not* become significantly easier, and is more or less the same as it's always been due to the syncing requirement.
The reason way more people have those titles and weapons now isn't because it's so easy that anyone can do them now, it's because they're straight up being bought half the time. While it is true that ultimate titles and weapons have gone down in the amount of respect they garner for people who have them, I argue that it's precisely *because* of people buying/selling clears that does that, and this is where I largely disagree with you.
Ultimate content is the hardest content in the game, and the weapon and title you receive from those is meant to reflect your skill as a player. It is a status symbol that says "I am good enough in this game to do this." And it's precisely *because* it is treated this way that I have issues with people buying clears for it. It isn't just another glamour piece, it is something that *maintains* difficulty throughout expansions and patches, and it is *because* it stays synced and stays difficult that it remains a brutal test of skill that makes it prestigious in a way that no other content in the game does. And allowing anyone to simply pay to win to get it cheapens that accomplishment for those who did it legitimately in a way that doesn't apply to any other content in the game. Old savage raid content gets echo, ultimate does not. Old savage raids can be unsynced later at absurd ilvls for cheese, ultimate cannot. This in and of itself is evidence from the devs and the game itself that ultimate content is a final test of sorts, to cap off your test of skill, and if you beat it your rewards is a fancy title and weapon to flex that skill that got you that far.
And this status as a kind of award is what makes it special. To take your analogy of buying a service like a haircut, maybe that's true for something like a savage raid clear. However, a more fitting equivalent for an ultimate clear would be like saying "I want to get an Oscar or Academy Award for being a great actor. But then you don't put in any of the time or effort and don't even act at all, and just pay to get one. Wouldn't that cheapen the award? Ultimate content's sustainable difficulty is what makes it special in prestige, and it's because people are simply buying their way in pay to win style that cheapens it for everyone else.
To put it another way, it's similar to how your video about how crafted gear and gear progression is handled in ffxiv. In that video, you talk about how it's not wrong or bad for casual players to have access to gear and other things that are about on-par as those that endgame raiders who have put in time week after week to get. However, it is an issue when they can just, with no effort whatsoever, pop in having done no work or spent any time, and be on equal footing as those who have been doing those raids for weeks.
And it isn't like I'm saying "casual players don't deserve nice weapons" because there are plenty of other options for really good looking weapons, like the crafted primal ones or any of the relics.
I understand not everyone has time or is able to put in hours and hours, week after week, wipe after wipe, of hardcore endgame ultimate content. However, if they aren't willing to put in the work for that, then that doesn't mean they are entitled to have it just because they want it. Just because everything in the game is obtainable by everyone, doesn't mean that everyone is entitled to it automatically or deserves to have it without putting in any effort.
P.S. Something else I want to add is that I have no malintent or issues with people trying to sell clears as a side hustle. We all could use some extra money and if you can get that by being good at FFXIV then I'm not gonna judge for that. I think the responsibility and blame should be put on buyers, because without buyers there would be no incentive or demand to sell clears in the first place, but if there's a demand for a service, then I'm not going to fault people for wanting to make some extra money by playing a game they enjoy.
I think it sadly is a two way street for raid clears. On one hand it's nice that ultimate tier raiders get to make some side revenue outside of youtube, stream donations and so much more-- there are a lot of very "invisible" members of our community who are mind bogglingly talented. I DO want to see them rewarded for it money-wise. Esports is a big scene and I've been wanting to see our best and brightest rewarded for their talent. The flip side is that buying clears devalues almost anything instantly. It's weird when I (and surely you've noticed it too) walk around Limsa and I see people afk at 3:00am holding the weapons out and I am like "who?" check their logs and it was clear that they had no history of ever raiding at all. It's gotten to the point where I see the TEA weapons and I'm no longer even shocked or in awe. That sounds absolutely mean and snarky but isn't meant to be-- but now they just look like "Oh you had an extra $200 laying around? That's nice. Next!" The achievement just feels so diminished. I used to see TEA weapons and go "WOW THAT PLAYER IS GOOD HOLY WOAH!", I just don't get that anymore.
In terms of gil, I buy WoW gold tokens and I honestly liked it cause it allowed me to cash in on them and get in quickly into content. That might be controversial to say but I like it. I've however never bought gil in FFXIV (obvious by how broke I am). But I wouldn't be opposed to legitimate means to purchase gold from active players for subscription time akin to the WoW token. Bots however..? Ehhh, I don't like the bots. But if FFXIV gave us tokens I'd actually be all for it.
paying others to play your game and earn materialistic titles that are not earned by yourself truly? You got a nice romantic description about all of this, but that is not the way to go my friend. You are indeed spot on though, all those people running around with ultimate clears.. I just dont know if ppl are skilled or just use their strongest skill: the credit card. It however boogles my mind that sellers dont get punished and deleted instantly the moment they appear. They just advertise their stuff 24/7. And this is obvious too. There are far worse problems in the world, but its astonishing how ppl accept these capitalistic practices.
@@Lyu-Phy it is indeed sad that SE does nothing about that, at least in old school runescapes hardest content (inferno) the company temporarily bans person who buys the clear and removes the acquired item (inferno cape) from their account, its just sad that SE doesnt do something like that. As for the sellers its pretty obvious within the raiding community that a LOT of the top raiders sell clears. I don't play on the NA data center but i wouldnt be surprised if Lynx and his static also sell clears, otherwise i dont think he would be defending this pathetic type of behaviour.
I can't say I disagree about your stance on buying clears, but to me the biggest point is the lack of legitimacy on the act, especially when said people try to flex on others because they """""cleared""""" it.
I honestly can't take people who do it seriously, so it kinda carries over into the act itself. Most of the time, someone who buys a clear doesn't just want to have a fancy title and/or a fancy shiny glamor, they want to show off and flex for something they didn't really earn.
Following one of the analogies you used, it'd be the same as meeting a friend who got a fancy haircut and then they tell you they did it themselves, even though you know they aren't hairdressers / hair stylists in any way, shape or form. But they keep going on and on about how awesome they are and how they did it all by themselves. Nobody would take someone like that seriously.
Anybody else super distracted by the other tank dying to shared stack damage on sword mech?
I get the point of this video, though has anyone ever at least thought to maybe train these people and help them acquire the skills needed to actually help them clear? I've thought about doing this at one point because no one would give me the static experience I needed to do well in savage or end game content. So, I had to fail many times in Pf and create my own party finder to clear content. This was also why I poorly made a generalization that everyone that does high end raids were elitist, which isn't the case.
So... For buying raid clears, I dont usually bother to think badly of it. I'm just finding it weird to see ultimate clears sold for super high prices... I mean, if I had that money I'd use it to pay vacations for my friends so we could pug/clear it together.
I do feel that it's wrong however when the rewards are timed, like in PvP ranked, or if they ever do an Ultimate Unreal one day. There will always be peoples botting in the PvP scene or buying throwers, that's sad and that's bad due to the timed aspect of the rewards. (Un)lucky us tho, FF14 PvP is horrible and too few peoples play it anyway.
For gils, I am strongly against it due to the nature of the housing market. Especially now with the demolition timer stopped, you can't get a house except by getting one already built in a FC. And peoples love to sell those for stupidly high gil prices, or even for real money.
On the other hand, yeah gil doesn't matter in this game. Except in housing, and crafter materias. But the issue is more with the housing system than anything else.
And lastly... Services aren't good. :D
Thats my two cents on the subject :p
But yeh, every people can have different opinion on this based on what they do in the game. :P
Pretty solid thoughts imho. But what’s the point of thoughts if Square will never change things. Square banning players that pay them. Yea don’t see them doing that anytime soon.
I just really enjoy debates & discussion. Ultimately I understand my videos have next to no impact on the game and it's design, but I enjoy talking about topics I'm interested in.
Lynx Kameli oh yea, this was a very well done. I enjoyed you perspective on the topic. Just saying square probably won’t take any action.
The title and the glowy weapon is a byproduct for me, I do ultimates because it's fun and challenging to do it with friends especially when we try to optimize and FFLOGs ranking is a great tool for that, it's basically rankings for speedrunning in cases. Of course this is not how everyone feels about the titles and glowy weapons but yeah I don't really care if someone buys their clears, I only have issues if like you said they pretend to have cleared and in worst cases where sellers uploads the parse of the bought clear for the buyer (sellers please don't do this).
At that point it's detrimental because when recruiting for new members for statics you look at their parses you don't know if they bought a clear or not until you raid with them, and that can be a waste of the time if the player turned out to not what they seem to be and having you to go back and look for members again, rinse repeat.
I completely agree with the points made in the video
Gil is not hard to make, just takes some time and diligent effort. On my alt on another server (I learned this from a friend on Gilgamesh, so it'd be pretty scummy to use what I learned and intrude into his market), I did the old method of crafting the "glowing" primal weapons by using Reuse/Reclaim, it was fairly low effort and had good profit margins. Made 130m from just casually logging in and crafting on it, then I just gave it to a friend on that server for their housing wants lol
Ooh spicy topic today, huh? Good video as always, man.
Like it even matters. A clear doesn't mean sht if you ain't got skills, which brings me to my next point: skill.
This game is super casual and it focus on a "memorize the dance" more than reaction. It is basically a joke.
I love this game and I always will, but even I am not dumb enough to believe that "skill" is a thing in here.
There is also no real progression system, wich has been addressed enough times already (item lvls becoming obsolete once next patch is out)
Recently WoW has made it bannable to make a carry group in the LFG for gold.
what why, if its ingame currency who cares
@@ErrorGameManiac Blizzard have been making stupid decisions since Cata so this doesn't surprise me
@@ErrorGameManiac Who cares if somebody says 'fuck' in FFXIV, but you can still be banned for it. I never get the feeling that devs live in the same world as we do tbh, wow included
It is only bannable in Group finder, not in trade chat and other sources. Also has to be paid with in game gold
i think you misread your info
im not seeing anything about carries being banned for gold in wow
but i am seeing specific things about carries being possibly bannable when external means are involved like websites and discords, etc.
blizz wants players to keep it in game so its easier to document i guess
If it helps, you can blacklist the party finder ads. I did that and these days I see at most one or two ads when I'm looking through the party finder.
I'd readily pay for a group who can consistently clear content or help others to. But yeah buying gil bad.
Edit: I wouldn't think it would be possible to be carried through ultimates you'd still need good knowledge of fight even if you were being carried correct?
Usually they will log into your account and clear it for you.
@@PentaWeave
Oh really that sounds pretty sketchy. I'm surprised anyone would let anyone access their account aside from their partner.
If you're paying a group to join you for your clear, I don't necessarily have an issue with that, but you should maybe look for better friends. If you're having someone log in as you to clear the fight, that is what I have an issue with. I don't trust people doing that to not then misrepresent themselves in PF or recruiting sites. Worse, you risk having your account stolen (& if you don't follow best password practices possibly more important accounts).
I have no issue with it. I sometimes even feel bad for those people.
Some among them really saw no light in the tunnel, raged through the content with no end in sight. Making common mistakes, just unready for the tier.
I cannot expect every person to clear ultimates. Some lack the time, some lack patience. Some cannot cope with the stress.
Both sides it's a bit unfair, one side earned their title through the hard work. And the other bought it.
But yet again I would argue that there is still a clear difference between the two, the biggest reward you get is that you know you did it yourself. By doing ultimates you do become a better player.
You will think about the times you cleared it amongst your team members that joined the endeavour alongside. Thinking yourself what you did to gain it, how long it took you.
You learned how to optimize, with or without guides.
While the other side thinks about how they bought it.
I don't need a Legend title when I have . A much rarer title to get (only 2 on my server) and nobody in their right mind would sell the title given how hard it is! Lol I'm never taking it off.
Wait how do you even get that title?
@@ensamvarg8504 A full party of max level fishers doing an ocean fishing venture has to catch 150 octopods.
@@ensamvarg8504 You essentially need a static of fishers at level 80 with BiS gear who know exactly what their doing to get around the RNG of fishing to catch 150 octopi while ocean fishing. My party just barely managed to get 150 right before the instance ended. It was one of the most nerve-racking things I've ever done in this game.
Personally it drives me pretty crazy that the only option with avoiding the rmt pfs is blacklisting. I don't necessarily like the idea of blisting potentially good players so I don't have to scroll past their ad every day. It's not like I'll ever hardcore prog anyway, I mostly raid for fun or glam, but I'd rather avoid having to wonder if a future static mate was blisted bc they were a terrible player or bc they were running ads in pf every day.
at 3:09 my fc and I exposed this one "raider" for buying a clear because he all of a sudden logged off then logged back in moments later with the e12s book out of nowhere, we asked to see the log to see how he and his team performed. His excuse was "every body was a ps4 player and my act didnt work at the same". something fishy is going on here we check his lodestone doesnt show the achievement or anything but has the e12s mount somehow?
"Crafting has become so easy in shadowbringers"
My brain and patience: why ppl always gotta lie!! 😂😂
Personally no it’s wrong. But I won’t judge people for doing it. Like you said people do it as a side hustle. And personally that’s something I would do. But its still wrong at the end of the day.
so what you are saying is that a game that cost you 200$+/YEAR requires you to pay 30 for the base game +50 for the dlc + 15 every 30 days has an in-game store with boosts mounts and all of the best cosmetics and emotes ( all this can cost up to 80£ per item ) a game that you have to play 500H+ of boring content just to get to the fun part this game is also pay to win where you can buy gear with real monny and you can pay other ppl to clear the hardest content for you WoW just WoW , and ppl cry about Throne and liberty being pay to win an mony hungry :))) what a joke
Actually there is no problem if someone buys raid or ultimate clears until they didn't go to others and flex with their "clear" and bashing others playstyle and logs. I met people like this and they are horrible. They are not just pretending, they are trashing others who are trying.
I tried it once with just gil on Binding Coil Twintania fight before all the nerfs, but turned out the people who were attempting it couldn't successfully get past twister phase so I got my gil back and got the clear normally a month later.
I don't think this topic has ever crossed my mind until now. Don't think I paid too much attention to other players in general honestly. Unless you have a cool mount or glamour, you're invisible to me.
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Gil is worthless?
Aren't you being a bit dishonest here?
A previous video you made about gear showcased that crafted gear is way too good right now, enabling you to clear raid tiers when they release. You can buy crafted sets with gil, therefore gil has enormous value when a raid hits, and those sets/mats/food/pots etc are certainly not cheap in the first week or so.
Will you sideline this by just saying that "Well, don't HAVE to use gil because you can level your own DoL/DoH!"? So it's not pay 2 win but more like pay 2 save time? I genuinely don't see much of a difference between the two, you're fundamentally paying to get better gear with real money (if you RMT) that's good enough to clear endgame content. I understand that you might be a bit hesitant to talk 'shit' about RMT, considering the fact that A LOT of endgame raiders use it (Personal experience), but it's not honest to see no evil.
He probably has millions. I've got 9x retainers making around 200.000 gil a day and I'm still skint ingame because I need tons of Crystal's, materias and armour for levelling all my characters up.
When you have the time you don't have the money, when you have the money you don't have the time. Most people I'm aware of buying raid clears do it because they can't afford to spend the time away from their families to raid. Hard to be in a static for them when they have multiple kids running around but have disposable income. Prestige is really in playstyle and techniques imo, people who have time to raid are impressive in their own right, but i can respect people wanting a glowy weapon or a locked mount who can afford to toss some dollars at it to get the thing they want.
I think as long as they aren't going around bragging about their capabilities no harm really done. A few of my friends online swap their titles and gleams out for duty finder so they don't get shamed if they play poorly. Good video and good opinions I think!
These things I personally don't wanna be involved with. But I don't judge others, as long as there is no negative impact on my gameplay, that's my bottom line. If someone wanna buy ultimate clear because he thinks the weapons look cool, I don't give a flying f**k. But if a player apparently doesn't know certain content, claim he does, participate in the content that his real skill cannot match, that's a big no no to me. If you purchase ultimate clear, but actually stay away from raiding, do your crafting, do your dungeons (not poorly), just overall stay low key in terms of challenging content, I'm fine.
Here is the difference between the service a hairdresser and someone doing RMT, the hairdresser need to own or lease an area or building to have their hair salon for that use which in most cases is stated in the contract, but the platform they are using for RMT is FFXIV which in the terms of service state that's not allowed which technically would be a breach of contract with SE and illegal use of a property. Example: My mother is a hairdresser and when she wanted to start her own hair salon she needed to lease an area that needed to follow certain guidelines so all safety measures where there. And in her leasing contract that the area was only gonna be used for cutting hair and selling shampoos and stuff since they need extra ventilation and equipment to operate that was stated. And this also was for products, some stuff that she got was explicitly told was not for sale and only for use in the hair salon.
So basically what I am getting at is that selling a service is fine and all, but is not only the service that is what can be illegal it can be where they operate and what contract they operate under. All those need to be legal too, which RMT is not to my knowledge.
With Gil and gear, it is even easier to see what they are doing is illegal since they are selling something that is not theirs. They are basically selling something that is owned by SE so in technicality they are selling stolen goods even if it is just code and they paid for the game. Even when you pay, you need to accept the terms of service to get in-game.
So I would not have had anything against RMT if it was not explicitly stated in the terms of service that it is not allowed.
I like your analogy, it makes a lot of sense. I wonder if prostitution is a better example for the idea of paying for convenience I tried to portray. It's hard to make these analogies to real world activities haha.
@@NamesLynx I don't know much about that since it is illegal in my country, but you have the right to whatever you want your body kinda. But the same principle is there like if you do it anywhere except at one of the homes of the participants it would be illegal in my country at least. But then the problem is that RTM in FFXIV needs to use FFXIV to transfer Gil or give them the service so RTM kinda has no way of getting around the Terms of Service. The only difference I see is who is enforcing the rules, but rules are still rules.
I will say as a disclaimer I don't know how contracts and laws work in other countries so I can only use how it works where I am from. And I studied Media and Communication at school and we had to learn how to read and decipher Terms of Services so you can advertise without breaking Terms of Service. And every person that advertize RMT in-game is definitely breaking Terms of Service no questions asked.
Buying gil for irl cash creates a demand which is why bots are in the game to supply. If you don't like bots in game, how can you say people buying gil has no effect on you?
Because WoW tokens are a way to buy gold that doesn't encourage botting. Just make a better system.
@@NamesLynx Do you have any solutions then?
@@TeaMMatE11 A marketplace created & controlled by square enix where people can sell gil for subscription time or mog station credit. This would incentivize players to go through legitimate means of buying gil (through other players) and also give people with lots of gil a way to obtain mog station items like mounts, fantasias, and outfits through gil.
the gill rmt part I don't have issues with it. However I do with where they are buying from bots gold seller site. If ffxiv had an actual conversion like gw2 etc it goes to developer meh whatever. I use to care bout when you get older you realize people don't have all the time in the world to farm. I never bought gill my self it is really easy to make it tbh, and it gives u sth to do. My friend lol he buys gills. He has alot of work and works two jobs almost in real life. He dose salvage on his own in pf and stuff so that leaves him 0 time for actual gill making etc. He also wants glamour etc so he buys his gill for glamour. It is fine but I do wish the money goes to actual se instead of bots
I just started this game but am a firm believer of forging your own achievements. I do however agree that morally who cares if you buy a clear?
Honestly my biggest concern is I know nobody on this game and from my previous experience with PUGs on MMOs is usually they're really REALLY bad and can't sufficiently do harder content without wiping.
I do think the pay for ultimate/savage clears kind of cheapen the prestige of the rewards they entail.
If you want those rewards, go learn and play the fucking game...
We complain about no content and then do stupid shit like that. I will never do ultimate and thusly never get those rewards. I can never clear the last fight of a raid tier. I'll never get those weapons.
And I'm completely okay with that. I respect those who do it legitimately and earn those things.
People complain about raiders flaunting their rewards, BUT PEOPLE AFK IN LIMSA WITH WHATEVER GLAM ANYWAY... WHY ARE RAIDERS WHO DO THE SAME AN ISSUE....
I’ve bought Gil before in all honestly I spend it mostly on glamour the rest on minions, emotes and mounts I’ll never buy a raid clear since I play the game mostly for the raids the reason I buy Gil is due to my job I love the game it’s really fun and yes I level up normally doing the daily’s however my job is so busy at times I don’t get much time to play or in too tired to do so and there are other games I want to play as well that don’t require much of a grind yeah I still technically grind by having to level and clear dungeons and all that but not with crafting were most people just use macros and sit there I rather actually be clearing a dungeon or a raid wether it’s for level or progression or just for the fun of it as you get older life becomes more time consuming bright side I have a the cash downside not as much time I just want to have fun after a long day of work is all
Would you have felt the same way before your life got busier or is it simply more convenient to hold that view now?
"I don't have time" isn't a valid excuse 😄
"I'd rather do other content" isn't a valid excuse
Instead of making excuses, just say the simple truth. "I chose to cheat to take the easy way out, instead of putting in the effort. I don't care that these things damage the games economy for other players, who play the game legitimately"
I know I'm way late on this comment but I hate when people make half-hearted excuses to justify their actions.
On the bright side, at least you admit it to doing it.
legend titles do hold prestige as only 5000 some odd accounts have all 3 legend titles which is around .005% of the playerbase. They do hold prestige, they are very hard to get and require massive amounts of time commitment for most players. I'd say people with high roller though, those dudes are chads, that title is so impossibly hard to get compared to triple legend.
The funniest thing is when it’s obvious. Orange Tea log, grey for the savage tier.
The ads in PF should be a ban.
There's this stigma around ultimate players that I hate, cause I'm friends with some of them. Expecting them to play perfectly even in dungeons where they haven't finished leveling a new job. Having ultimate weapons doesn't mean I have to carry 24 man's. We're human and that shit is bunk.
sounds like someone who bought a clear tbh.
I just want to clear e8s since i dont have that much time to find the perfect Party Finder, will be throwing gils for those who's going to boost me
Is it sad ? Yes if youre playing alone
Cant expect my friend list and FC to help because they have their own business
@@shaevizla its okay, i already cleared it
You would still have issues with inflation even if bots weren't a problem with RMT for gil - because a large part of the gil sink in mmos is also from players who have a lot of wealth and leave the game - often many of whom just leave their resources. If RMT was made to be an allowed practice, that wealth would then be redistributed to people willing to pay for it (a lot of the times being fairly new players) and then causing low level/leveling/crafting/high demand items to be even further in demand causing the prices to increase and leaving new players not willing to RMT to be at a deficit.
There really is no version or system an mmo can make that can sustain RMT and have a healthy economy for all levels of players.
Ethically though, I really don't care, and it makes no difference to me. If there WAS a way to make it work perfectly, then I'd say go for it.
Hey Lynx,
My Sight on buying clears etc is a totally different (even when i had Contact to the scene too in WoW as a World 50 Raider)
Buying this ACVs prevents this Players from evolving their Skills cause there is no necessary to...they can just buy it.
Which in the long term results in a Low-Skill-Playerbase where recruiting for a Raidteam is pure hell.
We See it in WoW...since Boosting is massive there is a unbelievable Ammount of Skillfree Players...and since i am in 14 ...it is not better.
But if we dont want the Raidscene to die in a long Term we need Players that come after us.
For me..and i dont mean this as an Insult...this is a selfish thinking and it ruins a specific Part of the Game.
Finally, a video I completely agree with. Everything you said was great.
Buying clears is something I have little opinion on. To me the value in raiding is the experience and the cosmetics are a memento to that experience, so the reward for the time and effort involved is exclusive to what is being transacted in that particular RMT. Buying iLVL to raid Ultimate because Savage is boring or too time-consuming or w/e is understandable, though.
Buying gil, however, rubs me the wrong way because the reward for the time and effort involved in accruing it is identical to what would be awarded to one who purchases. When housing in particular is such a limited resource, this RMT is, to me, blatantly unfair to those who abide the ToS.
From my experience the hard part about raiding isn’t learning boss mechanics or executing them flawlessly. It’s the social barriers. That stuff is way too stressful for a lot of people and they’d rather just work a few extra hours at whatever it is they do and pay to not have to deal with it.
As a huge introvert I will tell you, high pressure situations like that make you want to just turn off your computer, get a bowl of capn crunch, and go watch early episodes of pokemon escaping into the bliss of a childhood long gone.
Then can you do a video or point me to a video that describes the state of crafting before shadowbringers, and what exactly did shadowbringers do to make crafting have a much less barrier to entry? Or does SE have a patch notes that detail such changes in a way a newcomer can understand?
Basically, they removed a lot of skills, added new skills, and buffed existing skills. Also, there was a crossclass skill system, some skills you need for a craft but you could only get them if you levelled another crafter to a certain level. The same system also existed up till Heavensward for battle classes, btw
I had someone who paid for a boost last time my FC static was doing Savage reclears. This DRG was doing less DPS with their Edenchoir spear than our healer. That's why I have a problem with people paying for Savage clears and raid gear. The people who buy this gear go into raid pfs, they don't know the fight because they didn't do it, and they end up dragging the team down. If it was something like paying for glamour, where one person having it didn't negatively impact the group, that would be one thing, but that's not what happens when people buy raid clears.
I agree but you can always just kick them for being annoying lol
Just wanna say that I love the idea of selling raids for Gil. Not real money. See, I'm fresh with my straight 80s, and haven't been playing for a year, so I still have fashion items, materials and gear I need to buy. I'm gradually farming crystarium, but my crafters are so far behind their good gear and the master tomes needed to craft it that I would love selling high end content in game for game currency/tomestone mats.
Your welcome have good day
Yes : Because it sets a president for the whole game. Start selling Gil and clears unofficially and it isn't too long before it becomes expected and blends into official decisions too... Not to mention the fact that as soon as it's officially "legal" to do these things in the game it lowers the overall impact of personal success and makes effort to play it legitimately feel like the lowly foolish option... And that would be while subbing! 🤷♀️🤦♀️
I will treat those people who had involved in raid RMT like a bunch of failure dogs
i blacklist anyone selling clears in the pf because it's so freaking annoying.
I like your opinion and I share your thoughts.
I want tbh I bought Gil a couple of times simply because I don't do anything in the game that makes a lot of money. I dislike crafting, I dislike gathering. I am not having fun doing that and I don't want to put up a bot to do that for me because I would feel bad for doing so. I don't do a lot of treasure maps either so there is not much left.
So I ended up buying gil before every Tier to afford Crafted Gear and Pentameld on day 1 and honestly I can live with that.
Regarding the Ultimate weapons and titles, I have all three Ultimates down but I turned off my titles because I don't like titles in this game and I didn't glam any Ultimate weapon either because I am using full Dreadwyrm for almost 3 years now on almost all of the roles and this will probably never change but if someone really likes how the weapons look like and he can't clear the content or doesn't have the time then where is the problem in buying it? I mean yes it's against the ToS but besides of that?
I used to spend money a few years ago in TCGs, especially MTG. Since I was interested in entering tournaments I went for the Meta Decks and modified them in my own way. To not spend my money in Booster packs and 50 copies of the same useless uncommon card that I don't even play in my deck before I finally get the rare card that I want, I simply bought the cards that I needed directly online. At the end of the day nobody cared about that. The deck wasn't more dishonest than the others because of that. At the end the only thing that matters is can you play the deck or not, if you are not able to pull off the combos it doesn't matter that it is a Meta Deck and nobody cares about how you got the cards. It's the same thing with buying a clear.
I couldn't even care less about someone buying an Ultimate or Savage clear and I don't really understand why people are getting mad about it. If someone wants to spend his money to get a clear then let him spend his money. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯