you could have made this video less interesting by making it 30 mins long like most tend to do, but no ur straight to the point, a wealth of info in 5 mins, amazing man, thanks
1:02 "Traditional" 1:14 Null Pointed at Hi-Hat 1:26 Hi-Hat Moved 1:38 Pool Noodle 1:50 Styrofoam Cup 2:02 Cup with Tissues 2:14 Foam Behind Mic Capsule 2:26 Foam Between Mic and Hi-Hat 2:38 Towel Between Mic and Hi-Hat 2:50 Mic Very Close to Snare Head
That is by far the best method! With a video limit of only 5 minutes, I wanted to get into this more, but I ran out of time. The dampening effects of these methods were very minimal, but finding a nuanced drummer is definitely better than anything else. Honestly, even the towel method has the potential to get in the drummer's way while playing.
I agree drummers should be able to fader ride their limbs. There’s a old Steve Gadd story where one floor tom was always too loud so he played that one drum softer the whole time. Perfect example.
The music dictates how the hi hat is played! Not the microphones! You don't make allowances for drum mics by compromising the entire feel of the song / piece of music by telling the drummer to play the hi hat quieter.
Nice and scientific way! In my research i found that the larger the room is the better or the least amount of hihat blead is noticeable. Small rooms can make the bleed much worse because the direct reflections can get straight back in to the mic.
Never put anything over the mic people. The sides of the mic pick up sound. A baffle between the hats and snare mic works best. They got it right on the star ratings.
Bruce Sweden used a mounted MDF plate as shield between the snare and the hi hat to reduce bleed from the hi hat into the snare mic when recording Billie Jean on the thriller album with Michael Jackson.
I was kinda shocked at the towel sound. But I think having a very close mic is underrated. It allows you decrease gain levels quite a bit, and if you're a church drummer that likes those super low tuned + zero overtone snares, this could be effective.
Hi Hat Husher will be sent to market in mid 2025 and boasts a decent cut in HH bleed. I made my own for fun.but added an optional upper attachment to shield the overheads slightly from the HH. Good fun :)
I use a shure sm57 as well on my snare, I play open , ex: Carter Beauford so my hi hats are farther away and lower as well . I mic my hi hats as well and attach a pop filter on that mic so it’s between the snare and the hats. Then reduce the gain on my recorder interface till I like it. The best way is the Dave grohl , queens of the Stone Age song “ No one knows” . Hi hats r recorded separately. Dave hit towels to keep rhythm. Cheers
That towel, man I need to try this, just got a tama rockstar kit and haven't recorded drums in ages... been using Superior Drummer 3, I have been spoiled. 😅
Thanks! This helped a lot! I tried the towel but ended up using 3 towels to thicken “the wall” between hithat and snare. Also liftet the hihat as high as possible (also cymbals). I did this to the floor tom and ride cymbal too. Great for hard hitting drummers! The papir plates are great too if im recording to click 😊 Thanks again!
5 star rating: hiring a pro drummer who plays with good balance plus applying bleed reducing techniques. The foam has to be a lot thicker though. Also the heavier the material, the better the effect. Adjusting the angle towards away from the hihat helps but the more you turn it away from the hihat, the more you’re picking up the bass drum.
Good video. Good exercise. With about 35 years of studio experience, of course, point null at HH and element as close as you can to snare with as little ring as possible. When the client requests something more I'd always go to multi-take the drums, i.e., put HH in later. In my experience, however, bleed can be your friend for a more natural-sounding kit. Watch for phasing of sounds, especially when pointing nulls at sound sources.
Thank you for the insight! I actually wanted to go more in-depth with the explanations and my thoughts on bleed, but unfortunately the video was only allowed to be 5 minutes long, bummer
I tried the nullposition but have troubles with drummers who are just heavy-hihat-hitters. Ill go and try that towel placement. Maybe with molleton the effect will even be better. Ill definitly try and let you know
3:44 - 😅 i saw the thumbnail and for a split second thought i saw a miniature fat guy in green shirt and pants bending over the edge of the drum to shout to someone on the floor.😂
I mean the very first example with the one mic on the snare just makes me laugh because if I did that exact thing the hihat would be utterly overbearing. But in this example it sounds like someone's managed to miraculously keep the hihat out out of that snare mic AND turn the hihat down by about 20db. So already I'm baffled.
This was recommended on what’s her name’s video. I don’t remember what other mic she had, but maybe that sound from a 57 fits the style she produces, and she gets other frequencies from the other mic. Alternatively, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was just trolling the internet.
Try hanging a Leather jacket the same way as you hanged the Towel between the snare and the Hi Hat. It should work even better and give alot more isolation 😎👍.
That's definitely my approach when recording bands. I try to find cymbals that crash nicely even when hit soft. If a band insists on using their super thick and loud cymbals, I just try to make do.
very good rapid-fire demo. the drummer was trying not to laugh when playing the paper plates, which makes sense because it's ridiculous to hit paper plates when making a drum beat.
Keeping the bleed out of the snare mic is kinda like trying to hold the ocean back with a broom:) The paper plates is actually the way to go. The drummer has something to hit, then goes back in and overdubs just the hats and or cymbals.
But the mic will pick up those hits on the paper plate too, everything that get's hit makes a sound, unless its a feather you're hitting. Even if I just move a little on my drum chair, the s357 picks up that sounds
Great video, I am experimenting with a granelli 57 mic and a pan as shield, filled with foam, I´m gonna try adding the towel as well, how about a video about bleed on toms now.
Loved the paper plates method! Pointing the null at the hat is my go-to, but I don't like the coloration it adds to the hat bleed. When you compress it, the sticks out too much mic and doesn't blend well with OH's. Maybe I should try the very first mic placement from your video. Or try the towel, I'm surprised how much difference it made in your test.
I can only use hi-hat and snare in the same sentence when referring to a hunter stalking through a forest. I only came to see what more videos this guy's got, after his Billie Jean video
would be nice if you'd tried the one method used by the masters. the bruce swedien paddle. wooden board with metallayer inside, sometimes some absorbend material on top placed betwen HH and SD attached do a micstand. kinda like the foam on your test
yea I wish mine sounded as good as your control test. I use the same mic but have 20 times more bleed then that. I cant even use overheads because there is already too much cymbal :(
Right?! There's definitely something to be said about recording in a big fine-tuned room with a professional drummer. I told him to really bash the hi hat, but I still think he was going a little easy out of muscle memory. At home I record in a horrible tiny room and sometimes I record the drums and cymbals separately because I have similar bleed issues.
@@beeble9285 my last video which ill post here. I did not use an overhead in the final mix. I just used the snare bleed as my cymbals sound source haha my bleed is friggin baddd. and I am playing over carpet also, but its a low ceiling. heres the vid th-cam.com/video/__iawlP8oQQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=jaycekeffer
Method 3 is the best method realy. If a drummer feels comfortable playing that way, I'd always go for that one. Pointing the null of the mic to the HiHat doesn't reduce the loudness of the HiHat, but changes it's tone, so that one for me isn't as interesting. Normal position works just fine. Having a towel however in between the mic and the HiHat doesn't reduce the HiHat level that much realy, but it adds a fullness to the bottom of the snare. So that one is interesting.
Bleed is inevitable. Choose a mic that gives you bleed that suits the kit. If the snare needs a large boost in the 7khz to fit the kit, you might find the hihat bleed sounding piercing with one mic, but be rejected/coloured differently, more pleasing with another. It’s all part of getting the right tone from the start and not fixing it in the mix.
Or you can just replace the snare with a sample. There I solved this issue for everybody. Thank you for listening and disagreeing with me, I'll be on my way now, bye.
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Sup gang, this is a school video project that we were required to upload to TH-cam, if it seems a little bit out of place, that's why. Hope you enjoy!
PAPER PLATES.
I actually loved this content, came here by chance, and wished your entire channel was about these things. Oh well! :D
you could have made this video less interesting by making it 30 mins long like most tend to do, but no ur straight to the point, a wealth of info in 5 mins, amazing man, thanks
Strongly agreed - why can't more TH-camrs produce like this?
1:02 "Traditional"
1:14 Null Pointed at Hi-Hat
1:26 Hi-Hat Moved
1:38 Pool Noodle
1:50 Styrofoam Cup
2:02 Cup with Tissues
2:14 Foam Behind Mic Capsule
2:26 Foam Between Mic and Hi-Hat
2:38 Towel Between Mic and Hi-Hat
2:50 Mic Very Close to Snare Head
You left out my favorite method. Have the drummer play the hi hats softer!
That is by far the best method! With a video limit of only 5 minutes, I wanted to get into this more, but I ran out of time. The dampening effects of these methods were very minimal, but finding a nuanced drummer is definitely better than anything else. Honestly, even the towel method has the potential to get in the drummer's way while playing.
I am a recording drummer. You'll get nowhere with approach my friend
@@stoobieman Then I get another drummer lol
I agree drummers should be able to fader ride their limbs. There’s a old Steve Gadd story where one floor tom was always too loud so he played that one drum softer the whole time. Perfect example.
The music dictates how the hi hat is played! Not the microphones! You don't make allowances for drum mics by compromising the entire feel of the song / piece of music by telling the drummer to play the hi hat quieter.
The most useful sound project at school one might ever have!
Nice and scientific way! In my research i found that the larger the room is the better or the least amount of hihat blead is noticeable. Small rooms can make the bleed much worse because the direct reflections can get straight back in to the mic.
Never put anything over the mic people. The sides of the mic pick up sound. A baffle between the hats and snare mic works best. They got it right on the star ratings.
Bruce Sweden used a mounted MDF plate as shield between the snare and the hi hat to reduce bleed from the hi hat into the snare mic when recording Billie Jean on the thriller album with Michael Jackson.
My mind was blown at the towel, you just changed the game thank you
I was kinda shocked at the towel sound. But I think having a very close mic is underrated. It allows you decrease gain levels quite a bit, and if you're a church drummer that likes those super low tuned + zero overtone snares, this could be effective.
Hi Hat Husher will be sent to market in mid 2025 and boasts a decent cut in HH bleed. I made my own for fun.but added an optional upper attachment to shield the overheads slightly from the HH. Good fun :)
Blocking out the back holes of a 57 turns it into an omnidirectional mic so I dont endorse the pool noodle idea haha
I use a shure sm57 as well on my snare, I play open , ex: Carter Beauford so my hi hats are farther away and lower as well . I mic my hi hats as well and attach a pop filter on that mic so it’s between the snare and the hats. Then reduce the gain on my recorder interface till I like it.
The best way is the Dave grohl , queens of the Stone Age song “ No one knows” . Hi hats r recorded separately. Dave hit towels to keep rhythm.
Cheers
That towel, man I need to try this, just got a tama rockstar kit and haven't recorded drums in ages... been using Superior Drummer 3, I have been spoiled. 😅
THANK YOU! This was very helpful, and it seems that A) Acoustic Foam Between, or B) Towel between seemed to be the most effective.
Thanks!
This helped a lot! I tried the towel but ended up using 3 towels to thicken “the wall” between hithat and snare. Also liftet the hihat as high as possible (also cymbals).
I did this to the floor tom and ride cymbal too.
Great for hard hitting drummers!
The papir plates are great too if im recording to click 😊
Thanks again!
this was helpful. make more like this in future!
I was doing an eyes closed test and thought you’d found the holy grail when you got to the “replace hi hat with paper plates”
Paper plates! A clear winner in this test.
I thought all of them were bad except towel. I’m gonna do two towels and change the whole game. Awesome video!!!
paper plates for sure!!!
Excellent! ^^ I will try the towel and from what I've seen on another video, in the mix, invert phase of the high end on a doubled track.
5 star rating: hiring a pro drummer who plays with good balance plus applying bleed reducing techniques. The foam has to be a lot thicker though. Also the heavier the material, the better the effect. Adjusting the angle towards away from the hihat helps but the more you turn it away from the hihat, the more you’re picking up the bass drum.
Good video. Good exercise. With about 35 years of studio experience, of course, point null at HH and element as close as you can to snare with as little ring as possible. When the client requests something more I'd always go to multi-take the drums, i.e., put HH in later. In my experience, however, bleed can be your friend for a more natural-sounding kit. Watch for phasing of sounds, especially when pointing nulls at sound sources.
Thank you for the insight! I actually wanted to go more in-depth with the explanations and my thoughts on bleed, but unfortunately the video was only allowed to be 5 minutes long, bummer
@@beeble9285 Welcome. Class assignment? max 5 minutes. Got it.
The paper plates actually work better than I expected
this is amazing lol thank you for the paper plates, made my night
I love this clip! Funny and informative at the same time.
I tried the nullposition but have troubles with drummers who are just heavy-hihat-hitters. Ill go and try that towel placement. Maybe with molleton the effect will even be better. Ill definitly try and let you know
Thank you for making me laugh. I really needed that.
My face has that effect lol
3:44 - 😅 i saw the thumbnail and for a split second thought i saw a miniature fat guy in green shirt and pants bending over the edge of the drum to shout to someone on the floor.😂
Oh snap, a fellow Cuyahoga music nerd!! Wish I found you before registering for audio classes elsewhere. Lol.
Hey what's up Alex? Keep on rockin 🤘
A layer of MLV sewn into a cushy fabric in place of a towel would probably work best. Also combine that with the null placement.
I mean the very first example with the one mic on the snare just makes me laugh because if I did that exact thing the hihat would be utterly overbearing. But in this example it sounds like someone's managed to miraculously keep the hihat out out of that snare mic AND turn the hihat down by about 20db. So already I'm baffled.
This was recommended on what’s her name’s video. I don’t remember what other mic she had, but maybe that sound from a 57 fits the style she produces, and she gets other frequencies from the other mic.
Alternatively, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was just trolling the internet.
She's just very much a person who genuinely enjoys oddball solutions
This drives me mad, now i just record the cymbals separately.
Getting big George McFly vibes. Cool video too
Thanks for sharing this my friend..Kjell
I think replacing all of the drummer's cymbals with paper plates is the ideal option.
Wow....thanks so much for this. Works like a charm in my home drum studio setup. Real game changer...and so simple. (Towel technique... :) ). Steve
Try hanging a Leather jacket the same way as you hanged the Towel between the snare and the Hi Hat. It should work even better and give alot more isolation 😎👍.
I've heard that for studio recordings, many opt for quiet, jazz type cymbals. Sometimes even metal guys.
That's definitely my approach when recording bands. I try to find cymbals that crash nicely even when hit soft. If a band insists on using their super thick and loud cymbals, I just try to make do.
very good rapid-fire demo. the drummer was trying not to laugh when playing the paper plates, which makes sense because it's ridiculous to hit paper plates when making a drum beat.
paper plates had best isolation
Too funny... "a sound which i would describe as sounding like you're inside a paper cup"!
This was my favourite bit 🙂
Keeping the bleed out of the snare mic is kinda like trying to hold the ocean back with a broom:) The paper plates is actually the way to go. The drummer has something to hit, then goes back in and overdubs just the hats and or cymbals.
Yes!
But the mic will pick up those hits on the paper plate too, everything that get's hit makes a sound, unless its a feather you're hitting. Even if I just move a little on my drum chair, the s357 picks up that sounds
Great vid. I agreed with all your analysis. I'm off to buy some towels
Pool noodle, but with a SM7B. That’s what I use.
here are another 2 methods that have worked for me: 1. dark hi hats and a drummer who can balance themselves. 2. beyer m201.
and 3. beyer m201
Very interesting, thank you.
Great video, I am experimenting with a granelli 57 mic and a pan as shield, filled with foam, I´m gonna try adding the towel as well, how about a video about bleed on toms now.
Sounds interesting, how did the pan method turn out?
@@beeble9285 pretty good, and adding the towel trick is even better, I guess is because s blocking the reflexions from walls and floor
paper plates were goated
Okay so GO TOWEL IT AND NULL THE POSITION. Let's see what happens with that
Loved the paper plates method!
Pointing the null at the hat is my go-to, but I don't like the coloration it adds to the hat bleed. When you compress it, the sticks out too much mic and doesn't blend well with OH's. Maybe I should try the very first mic placement from your video. Or try the towel, I'm surprised how much difference it made in your test.
Holy shit the towel was killer
How about a second microphone on the high hat, with the wave inverted so the frequencies cancel out?
looks like a combination of the null point, towel and moving the hi hat away as possible because am a double pedal player works best for me. :)
I can only use hi-hat and snare in the same sentence when referring to a hunter stalking through a forest.
I only came to see what more videos this guy's got, after his Billie Jean video
Gotta tell my drummer about those paper plates! HA
Paper plates - 11 stars !
Very cool video. You are very kind with the pool noodle technique. I would put 0 stars if not below 0.
towel and foam were good , and number 1
Sample replacement. Where's that on your list?
Use one mic in the centre of the kit, it gives a well-rounded sound
Does the towel method works also with toms and kick out?
What about Plexiglas instead of foam or a towel in between. Is it even better? I was wondering
would be nice if you'd tried the one method used by the masters. the bruce swedien paddle. wooden board with metallayer inside, sometimes some absorbend material on top placed betwen HH and SD attached do a micstand. kinda like the foam on your test
I wonder how a pillow case stuffed with roxul would do.
Thanks for the great video!
As expected, putting something around the capsule changes the pickup pattern and makes the leakage worse.
WWBKD? What Would Bill Korecky Do? I would love to know.
yea I wish mine sounded as good as your control test. I use the same mic but have 20 times more bleed then that. I cant even use overheads because there is already too much cymbal :(
Right?! There's definitely something to be said about recording in a big fine-tuned room with a professional drummer. I told him to really bash the hi hat, but I still think he was going a little easy out of muscle memory. At home I record in a horrible tiny room and sometimes I record the drums and cymbals separately because I have similar bleed issues.
@@beeble9285 my last video which ill post here. I did not use an overhead in the final mix. I just used the snare bleed as my cymbals sound source haha my bleed is friggin baddd. and I am playing over carpet also, but its a low ceiling. heres the vid th-cam.com/video/__iawlP8oQQ/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=jaycekeffer
bwahaha, the paper plates.
Number 11 works wonderful! Ty
It’s #7 for me. 💯
Great video! Thanks!
Gate ?...
1:50 NOBODY tell Glenn Fricker
Paper plates! 🤣🤣🤣
Play the Hi Hat softer and bring up the hi hat volume on the mixer. That's the easiest.
Method 3 is the best method realy. If a drummer feels comfortable playing that way, I'd always go for that one. Pointing the null of the mic to the HiHat doesn't reduce the loudness of the HiHat, but changes it's tone, so that one for me isn't as interesting. Normal position works just fine. Having a towel however in between the mic and the HiHat doesn't reduce the HiHat level that much realy, but it adds a fullness to the bottom of the snare. So that one is interesting.
Dude you should've tried the Bananadyne 3000 on that mic
Edit: i see you made one yourself with a styrofoam cup
That why I use snare triggers 😂
Papar Plate are perfect !!!!!
Sennheiser e609 would be a good choice !
thanks!!
Guess 11. is the best to go with 👌🏼
Nice one mother
son
Yes mother
Was the shrimp flavored ramen not cooked good enough? I mean I’ll fix it if you want
Jeff Lee I don’t think so but my mom beeble thinks it does so yeah I agree
Add a drop of sesame seed oil or 2. Does wonders for most any Ramen.
Bleed is inevitable. Choose a mic that gives you bleed that suits the kit. If the snare needs a large boost in the 7khz to fit the kit, you might find the hihat bleed sounding piercing with one mic, but be rejected/coloured differently, more pleasing with another. It’s all part of getting the right tone from the start and not fixing it in the mix.
Great video for a novice looking to improve like me! Thanks!
Very helpful video.. Thx..
No cymbals at all 7 stars
He said the SM 57 is cheap??
lol depending on your budget, for sure
it is cheap, compared to mid/ high level stuff that most engineers use.
Both the polystyrene cup and the pool noodle are horrible ruin for a cardioid microphone and basically sound totally awful.
There's a reason Sylvia Massy never demonstrated the sound of the pool noodle on her video. I'm thinking she's rather over-rated.
Only popular because she is a woman, and those are rare as audio engineers, i never liked her recordings or mixing.
Next time replace the heads with paper plates
paper plates then haha
Here the best method: play the drums louder than the cymbals, learn to play the drums better :D
Or you can just replace the snare with a sample. There I solved this issue for everybody. Thank you for listening and disagreeing with me, I'll be on my way now, bye.
use a hypercardioid or supercardiod mic