Super helpful. Just like your Guitar Tone course, you break these concepts down in simple steps and concepts that are easy to understand and universally applicable. Looking forward to the Kult!
not being a drummer this video was quiet interessing, i will definitely take a deeper look into the Kohle Audio Kult, might come in handy for my first attempts of recording
Just wanted to say that it's always so cool to see you Warren, an absolute legend, being genuinely impressed by Kristian's videos. Huge respect to both of you gentlemen!
Incredible illustration of placement right here, definitely the best I have seen. Basically treat the placement like you would a guitar cab speaker, in terms of darkness and brightness etc... Great way to explain it! Thank you!
just one thing to add here, and why mic placement might differ in recording scenarios: the directivity/polar pattern of the mic is of big relevance, especially when the hihat is very close to the snare. you might decide to turn the mic facing more to the rim to turn the dead spot of the mic towards the hihat as a compromise to get less bleed from it.
What often gets forgotten is that the close snare mic is only part of the picture. When you add the overhead mics they will naturally bring in more top end of the snare. So a more muffled close snare mic will sound natural when the overheads are introduced. I have been loving a Beyer M69 on snare. It's hyper cardioid so it cuts out a lot of the metal work. Because of this sending the close snare to a reverb sounds uncluttered.
This was amazing! thank you man! your fuckin awesome! been recording American drums at home for years in Sons of Castro, and AscendTranscend and never for a second broke down the angle EQ like this! Can't thank you enough for all your doing for us home studio guys and the future of music and human heritage of the whole world with your insights and your articulation of these concepts! Thank you!!!
Christian... I want to personally thank you for the ir pack it has given me inspiration in my metal guitar playing.. I tried to get tones like this last 2 yrs with my cabs an mics an pres. I simply couldn't do it... I am seriously impressed and your skill should be recognized....thank you
I'm glad to see that I was on the right way with my snare mic placement, but once more your video helped a lot and I learned something new. Thank you and keep up the great work! I'm certainly looking forward to the Kohle Audio Kult drum course! Grüße ausm Norden!
Just love your down to earth plain english tutorials. Even though I knew and use all you said I actually felt "confirmed" in my mic'ing methods. And I felt genuinely informed in a positive fun way. SO tired of a other videos stating that "THIS IS THE BEST WAY".. even though everything in music recording is taste and experience. All the best to you !
I like the idea of the academy you are putting together. I’d also like to see more info/courses on ENGINEERING tones. You do that more than the others for sure, and that’s nice! Not sure why mixing and mastering get all the glory: capturing the tones at the source and getting the source right/engineering tones is where the magic is. On that note, even more so: getting great takes out of your clients: because that is truly what matters for all this other stuff to work: not nearly enough emphasis on that out there in TH-cam land.
Brilliant video, thanks. I am very experienced, however still fighting the snare mic position and acoustic guitar mic position, so many variables. But, your snare sounds magnificent from the start, very often I record drums that initially do not sound this well tuned.
Yes, it starts with the shell the heads and the tuning. The full course explains everything you need to know about recording snares fast and easy. Check it out: www.kohleaudiokult.com/courses/recording-snare
Thanks kohle. Currently I'm at the stage just make sure the cymbals is good sounding and it's fine to have sucks shells sound bcs shells are the easier to replace lol.
Thanks. I'm struggling with the snare sound for a while. That's a good video to get how it change the sound. Until all the tips I've seen said the same thing, two fingers from the edge in the direction of the center. I'm gonna spend more time on positionning the mic.
Cool Video. I must admit that the Technology we have today compared to the 90s is amazing. I use Cubase Pro. I remember using a 16trk digital recorder. The limitations were endless. It made me a better audio engineer when I moved to "In The Box" recording. Lol
Hab neulich mal meine neue Snare im Proberaum aufgenommen und war doch etwas vom Ergebnis enttäuscht. Dann ist mir in einigen Videos aufgefallen das die Snare anders abgenommen war als ich es jetzt gemacht hatte und auch Live hab ich das Micro immer anders platziert, kam aber nie dazu mal zu gucken was wo wie klingt. Das Video ist da super informativ, werde das jetzt nochmal ausprobieren und verschiedene Positionen aufnehmen 👍👍👍
We will fully support the Kohle Audio Kult because we are ready to start hearing less samples and more drummers in metal again 🤘🏻 Plus, it never hurts to see how others engineer.
Check this out! In my academy you not only find the full course but also tons of other drum recording, mixing and tuning courses! www.kohleaudiokult.com/
very good advice, of course :) i found out through trial and error that i love some combination/blend of a close miced top with some close miced shell. once possible phase issues are sorted out i can get some good "best of all worlds" tones out of a snare i want to add that it's almost just as important to position the mic in such a way that it doesn't pick up/rejects what you DON'T want in the mic (hats, rides, toms). depends on the drum kit and the player and the song but i have worked with perfect snare recordings that were ruined by sporadic hits/sounds of some other piece of the kit.
You know, I picked up that Miktek PM10, upon your recommendation. When positioned properly, the hypercardioid pattern rejects hihat much better than a 57 :)
Is the final mic position shown properly in the paid version? Not complaining just wondering if there’s a photo of the last snare mic position from the same angle as the other three so I have a better reference for how it is positioned
Gawdamn. Moved my top snare mic outside of rim like u got ( I never saw this explained anywhere else tho as a drummer and meddler in recording have watched tons of how to’s) and now my black beauty snare sounds like it should…may I say kinda like jimmy chamberlains…havent even tweaked it and loving it already; many thanks and def gonna pick up some of your ir’s and jazz soon too. If anyone wants to hear a snare not mic’d like this video check my 2020 album “beloved hypocrisy” by “we suck as humans”…tho I am still proud of this work but always looking to learn from the actual pros. I bet the devil showed you this sweet technique 🤘
Damn. Never (i think) have I seen having the mic outside of the snare on top…have been baffled how to get a more natural sound. Im usually two inches in/45 degrees…punchy but not natural. I knew you heard my prayer 🙏🏻 lol 😝
Great! The last position seems like the sweet spot. For a single mic. If you know in advance that you'll be using a bottom mic, what considerations comes to mind when choosing the top mic position? How would this affect the decision making process? Should we start with our favorite top mic position and then find the bottom mic position that adds the qualities missing on the snr top? Or should we choose the top mic position keeping in mind what the bottom mic usually adds to the mix? ("The bottom mic will be adding brightness and wires, and has less hi hat bleed, so I better try to get more low end out of the top mic and...". This kind of thinking).
Can you clarify, please, the last mic position? The capsule is above the rim, but where is the mic pointed at? To the center of the head? It's not clear on the picture. Also appreciated if you can tell how far is the capsule from the rim. Thanks.
Awesome video! Do you have a favorite position around the snare to reject kit sound? Having issues setting a gate and picking up my drummer's ghost notes :)
Nice, so it’s kind of like micing a speaker. Which makes sense because that’s essentially what drum heads are with the added effect of the attack from the stick strike. And, instead of cabinet resonance you now have shell resonance. Good stuff!
Yes. Useful information. However : not once did you actually mention 'snare wires' . Strange. I guess your word would be "snap". The most outside/down position captured the most snare wire. Thanks for your work. 😊😊
Man, are you stalking me or what?! Why do you always make a video about recording drums literally two days AFTER a recording session with my band?! :D this is a second case of that! :D thanks a lot for your content though ;)
But it's easier to spend fucktons of money on a fancy snare, expensive interface, every plugin in the world, a premium mic and of course a full API channel strip, rather than learn how to tune a drum and spend some time setting up the mic you have. And of course after $10k of gear, it's time to sample replace anyway, because the drum sounded like ass and the recording was shit. So it'll get replaced by a sample of a well tuned but affordable snare in a decent room, picked up with a beaten up old 57. :)
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Didn't watch the video, but I can say YES for sure! Watching now!
Really helpful, cheers. I'm hoping there's more to come with snare bottom micing and phase correction? 🤘🤘
Super helpful. Just like your Guitar Tone course, you break these concepts down in simple steps and concepts that are easy to understand and universally applicable.
Looking forward to the Kult!
not being a drummer this video was quiet interessing, i will definitely take a deeper look into the Kohle Audio Kult, might come in handy for my first attempts of recording
very helpful. it definitely sounds like micing the shell gets red of most of the usefulness of micing the snare bottom. at least for metal drums.
As usual a wonderful lesson! Kohle Audio Kult!!
By the way I’m annoyed that your a better drummer than me!! Much, much, much better drunker than me!
Haha! Let’s make a drum battle in January!
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@@KohleAudioKult I'm not even close! Haha No contest you're a much better drummer than me!
Just wanted to say that it's always so cool to see you Warren, an absolute legend, being genuinely impressed by Kristian's videos. Huge respect to both of you gentlemen!
@@sikkis4007 thanks ever so much! Kristian Rules!!
Thanks for sharing your wisdom
Man, i've been recording snares with the wrong mindset for a while now. Thank you sir, A+ content.
What mindset was that?
@@snapascrew using the snare bottom mic to get the highs. It literally never occurred to me to pull the batter head mic back a touch.
Incredible illustration of placement right here, definitely the best I have seen. Basically treat the placement like you would a guitar cab speaker, in terms of darkness and brightness etc... Great way to explain it! Thank you!
You're welcome! Check out the full course. There's much more to learn
This video was the most helpful snare recording video I’ve ever seen. Great job kristian
It revolutionized my band's snare sound. So good! I barely EQ it at all now. And it just sounds natural and sits in the mix perfectly.
Fantastic vid -- I'm obsessed with recording drums. I love snare drums,...maybe as much or more than guitars,.....seriously.
just one thing to add here, and why mic placement might differ in recording scenarios:
the directivity/polar pattern of the mic is of big relevance, especially when the hihat is very close to the snare. you might decide to turn the mic facing more to the rim to turn the dead spot of the mic towards the hihat as a compromise to get less bleed from it.
What often gets forgotten is that the close snare mic is only part of the picture. When you add the overhead mics they will naturally bring in more top end of the snare. So a more muffled close snare mic will sound natural when the overheads are introduced. I have been loving a Beyer M69 on snare. It's hyper cardioid so it cuts out a lot of the metal work. Because of this sending the close snare to a reverb sounds uncluttered.
Oh yeah. That’s another part of the course.
Best snare mic tutorial I have seen
Thanks! Check out the full course then!
This was amazing! thank you man! your fuckin awesome! been recording American drums at home for years in Sons of Castro, and AscendTranscend and never for a second broke down the angle EQ like this! Can't thank you enough for all your doing for us home studio guys and the future of music and human heritage of the whole world with your insights and your articulation of these concepts! Thank you!!!
Christian... I want to personally thank you for the ir pack it has given me inspiration in my metal guitar playing.. I tried to get tones like this last 2 yrs with my cabs an mics an pres. I simply couldn't do it... I am seriously impressed and your skill should be recognized....thank you
Thanks man! Spread the word! ❤️🍺
This literally solved the snare sound problem I have been having. You are the man! Thanks brother!
Perfect video. Just how i like them. Get to the point and then applicate.
Thanks! Very clear explanation. Just what I needed.
Kohle Audio Kult is going to be a hit. Gonna be lots of people waiting to jump on the KAK.
I'm glad to see that I was on the right way with my snare mic placement, but once more your video helped a lot and I learned something new. Thank you and keep up the great work! I'm certainly looking forward to the Kohle Audio Kult drum course!
Grüße ausm Norden!
Just love your down to earth plain english tutorials. Even though I knew and use all you said I actually felt "confirmed" in my mic'ing methods. And I felt genuinely informed in a positive fun way. SO tired of a other videos stating that "THIS IS THE BEST WAY".. even though everything in music recording is taste and experience. All the best to you !
I like the idea of the academy you are putting together. I’d also like to see more info/courses on ENGINEERING tones. You do that more than the others for sure, and that’s nice! Not sure why mixing and mastering get all the glory: capturing the tones at the source and getting the source right/engineering tones is where the magic is. On that note, even more so: getting great takes out of your clients: because that is truly what matters for all this other stuff to work: not nearly enough emphasis on that out there in TH-cam land.
I agree! And will do exactly that!
really great what you said about using the mic as an eq
🤘😎🤘 this is one of the best videos that explains this. Thanx.
Great tips thanks
I'm super interested and I followed all platform.. thank you so much for making amazinf video!!!!
That Kult course is gonna be absolutely marvelous and wonderfully amazing. :)
This is a great video. Wish I had learned this years ago.
i cant wait for KOHLE AUDIO KULT to go live! Awesome video
Brilliant video, thanks. I am very experienced, however still fighting the snare mic position and acoustic guitar mic position, so many variables. But, your snare sounds magnificent from the start, very often I record drums that initially do not sound this well tuned.
Yes, it starts with the shell the heads and the tuning. The full course explains everything you need to know about recording snares fast and easy. Check it out:
www.kohleaudiokult.com/courses/recording-snare
Well that has solved all the worlds problems straight up! Kudos and cheers for the great info
Thanks kohle.
Currently I'm at the stage just make sure the cymbals is good sounding and it's fine to have sucks shells sound bcs shells are the easier to replace lol.
Hey man! I’m sure you can do better!
Would be helpful to hear the different snare mic positions blended with the rest of the kit.
Thanks. I'm struggling with the snare sound for a while. That's a good video to get how it change the sound.
Until all the tips I've seen said the same thing, two fingers from the edge in the direction of the center.
I'm gonna spend more time on positionning the mic.
Thanks! Check out the full course. There’s quite a lot more 💪
Wow thanks to this i learned alot!!
I look forward to new videos from you. Very helpful and always worth the watch.
It's basic but it's important and very well explained! I reeeaaalllyyy like your stuff! best regards Ole
Cool Video. I must admit that the Technology we have today compared to the 90s is amazing. I use Cubase Pro. I remember using a 16trk digital recorder. The limitations were endless. It made me a better audio engineer when I moved to "In The Box" recording. Lol
Love this lesson. I want to get my snare recorded. Being an old person newb is tough 😪
Getting right at the source, this is probably the best most valuable info ever, quite often people want to fix in the mix.
Agreed 100%!
Great video brother
thanks, the most helpful video I ever saw about snare micing
Cut the BS! That’s my motto! ❤️🍺
Hab neulich mal meine neue Snare im Proberaum aufgenommen und war doch etwas vom Ergebnis enttäuscht. Dann ist mir in einigen Videos aufgefallen das die Snare anders abgenommen war als ich es jetzt gemacht hatte und auch Live hab ich das Micro immer anders platziert, kam aber nie dazu mal zu gucken was wo wie klingt. Das Video ist da super informativ, werde das jetzt nochmal ausprobieren und verschiedene Positionen aufnehmen 👍👍👍
Freut mich!
Das Video ist ein Ausschnitt aus einem Kurs in meiner Academy, die in zwei Wochen rauskommt.
We will fully support the Kohle Audio Kult because we are ready to start hearing less samples and more drummers in metal again 🤘🏻
Plus, it never hurts to see how others engineer.
Awesome video. The one shot you sampled sounds absoutely killer too!
It actually begins at 2:28.
Hail Kris! The Legion of Chris from Plap academy says Hail! :-)
Thank you Papa Kohle ❤️🙏
This is an amazing video! Been watching many of you videos and just subscribed! Awesome info, keep it up!
I always assumed pointing it close to the middle would get the best attack of the stick hitting the head. This is interesting.
Check this out! In my academy you not only find the full course but also tons of other drum recording, mixing and tuning courses!
www.kohleaudiokult.com/
I use the Snare Shell position , but next time i will try the Rim position. Good video, Thank´s bro
Great video
Thank you! / Jason Vorhese
Awesome video, man!
Awesome, thank you, Kristian.
very good advice, of course :)
i found out through trial and error that i love some combination/blend of a close miced top with some close miced shell. once possible phase issues are sorted out i can get some good "best of all worlds" tones out of a snare
i want to add that it's almost just as important to position the mic in such a way that it doesn't pick up/rejects what you DON'T want in the mic (hats, rides, toms). depends on the drum kit and the player and the song but i have worked with perfect snare recordings that were ruined by sporadic hits/sounds of some other piece of the kit.
I have also tried shell mics, but always had problems with the phase.
Thank you for this. Much needed
Very informative, thank you!
Wonderful video! Can't wait to join your kult! :)
What about lining up the snare wires in the direction of the microphone?I'd imagine you'd pick up more highs on-axis.
I'm all in for the Kohle Kvlt. Plenty of information allready out there to make generic sounding recordings.
Nice!
You know, I picked up that Miktek PM10, upon your recommendation. When positioned properly, the hypercardioid pattern rejects hihat much better than a 57 :)
I use the beta 57a for the same reason. Im surprised more people dont.
@@madmuso5 That’s a good one too!
you. are. a. life. SAVER.
Is the final mic position shown properly in the paid version?
Not complaining just wondering if there’s a photo of the last snare mic position from the same angle as the other three so I have a better reference for how it is positioned
Gawdamn. Moved my top snare mic outside of rim like u got ( I never saw this explained anywhere else tho as a drummer and meddler in recording have watched tons of how to’s) and now my black beauty snare sounds like it should…may I say kinda like jimmy chamberlains…havent even tweaked it and loving it already; many thanks and def gonna pick up some of your ir’s and jazz soon too. If anyone wants to hear a snare not mic’d like this video check my 2020 album “beloved hypocrisy” by “we suck as humans”…tho I am still proud of this work but always looking to learn from the actual pros. I bet the devil showed you this sweet technique 🤘
Amazing!
This is a wonderful video. I can't see why this wouldn't apply to Tom mics as well. Cheers!
that‘s what i thought! i guess the difference is you usually don‘t play rimshots on the toms. but i will definitely try this!
This was great
Damn. Never (i think) have I seen having the mic outside of the snare on top…have been baffled how to get a more natural sound. Im usually two inches in/45 degrees…punchy but not natural. I knew you heard my prayer 🙏🏻 lol 😝
Great! The last position seems like the sweet spot. For a single mic.
If you know in advance that you'll be using a bottom mic, what considerations comes to mind when choosing the top mic position? How would this affect the decision making process?
Should we start with our favorite top mic position and then find the bottom mic position that adds the qualities missing on the snr top? Or should we choose the top mic position keeping in mind what the bottom mic usually adds to the mix? ("The bottom mic will be adding brightness and wires, and has less hi hat bleed, so I better try to get more low end out of the top mic and...". This kind of thinking).
Hard to explain in a TH-cam comment.
But let’s just say: The bottom snare mic should not affect your main mic’s position.
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks. This is good enough answer for a TH-cam comment. Maybe you can try a more elaborate answer in a follow up video.
What kind of microphone stand are you using for the snare mic here? Looks quite interesting and like it won't get in the way much.
One human soul. Battered, not stirred. Here ya go-
Thank you! Where is the video you mentioned on miking toms?
In the making as we speak.
But right now also planned as a part of the Kohle Audio Kult.
But maybe I’ll release a snippet here again
@@KohleAudioKult Oh, I really hope you do... you do some great videos!! Please and thank you.
Love to join the kult...sadly, can't afford it...!!!
You can also get all courses individually. Starting at 19$
Can you clarify, please, the last mic position? The capsule is above the rim, but where is the mic pointed at? To the center of the head? It's not clear on the picture. Also appreciated if you can tell how far is the capsule from the rim.
Thanks.
Just behind the rim pointing at the center.
Nice Dog Eat Dog shirt ! :)
I‘m still waiting for that course…🤨
It will come when I launch my academy in 22
Awesome video! Do you have a favorite position around the snare to reject kit sound? Having issues setting a gate and picking up my drummer's ghost notes :)
The problem is mostly the hihat.
You should know the polar pattern of the mic and choose the dead spot for the hi hat.
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks!
Which drum clip do you use man? Every clip i find on the internet has very limited placement options
The best one is the LP Claw
Nice, so it’s kind of like micing a speaker. Which makes sense because that’s essentially what drum heads are with the added effect of the attack from the stick strike. And, instead of cabinet resonance you now have shell resonance. Good stuff!
Where is the sample? I’ve previously subscribed to your email list. Or is this different? Cheers and beers!
It’s in the final welcome email.
If you can’t find it, write back to the next newsletter please!
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Yes. Useful information. However : not once did you actually mention 'snare wires' . Strange. I guess your word would be "snap". The most outside/down position captured the most snare wire. Thanks for your work. 😊😊
I don’t use the top mic to capture the snare wires. That’s why.
In the course is enough talk about Snare wires.
Just not in the snippet in this video.
I just hit the drum with the microphone
🤪🤪🤪
What mic clips do you recommend?
LP Claws
Awesome video!!! That snare sample is the tits!!!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
So, that KOHLE AUDIO KULT. Is it a TRVE KVLT?
Absolutely! 👹
What about miking the snare side/bottom?
That’s all in the course.
Tuning, miking, recording, processing…the whole story
did the se ribbon mic giveaway already happen?
Yes!
@@KohleAudioKult ok. missed it. thanks
Heh, I was just thinking how my Beta 56 snare top just crapped out the other morning after 23 years & this vid pops up
Magic! ❤️🤪🍺
Good source = better/easier mix.
That’s my gospel!
@@KohleAudioKult also good source fits your line of thinking about vision from the start of production
Man, are you stalking me or what?! Why do you always make a video about recording drums literally two days AFTER a recording session with my band?! :D this is a second case of that! :D thanks a lot for your content though ;)
I was waiting until you guys were finally done!🤪
@@KohleAudioKult yeah thanks a lot :D however, your previous video about snare sizes and tuning it low helped a lot, so thanks! :)
Not much to say. Already sold my soul to you on a previous occasion. Just trying to help the algorithm by making a comment. 👹🍺👹
Snaaaares
The mic in the examples wasnt even plugged in! IT'S A CONSPIRACY
🤪❤️🍺
"How To Mic A Snare In 3 Minutes!" Runtime: 8min.
Intro. Outro. Commercial breaks.
Come on dude! Do the math again!
@@KohleAudioKult I can't, I've been playing too much bass!
🤣
You know what really grind my gears?
Hihat spillage in the snare mic🙄
Know the polar pattern of your mic. That really helps!
Explained in 3 minutes?
8-minute video?
HMMMMMMMMMMM
Come on!
Intro, Outro, Ad breaks, you know how it works! 😜
I know, I'm just messing with you 🙃 very informative video, as always!
>explained in 3 minutes
>video length 8 minutes
the hell are you doing man
But it's easier to spend fucktons of money on a fancy snare, expensive interface, every plugin in the world, a premium mic and of course a full API channel strip, rather than learn how to tune a drum and spend some time setting up the mic you have. And of course after $10k of gear, it's time to sample replace anyway, because the drum sounded like ass and the recording was shit. So it'll get replaced by a sample of a well tuned but affordable snare in a decent room, picked up with a beaten up old 57. :)
Haha! Correct
"3 minutes"
Something wrong with 3 minutes?
@@KohleAudioKult of course not
Hope this course comes soon! I’m recording a band or two by the end of the year.