Thanks Kyle. Good video. Mic'ing the snare bottom wasn't mentioned. It can be helpful when trying to get more snare attack. when used in conjunction with a snare top mic. Note: the phase should be inverted on the snare bottom mic. Often kick drums are recorded with both kick in and kick out mics. Room mics can add another dimension to the drum sound. Mic placement and experimentation is critical! The genre of the music that's being recorded should be taken into account. Lastly, everything changes in the mix. Sometimes you'll need more detail and sometimes less.
I've found that bottom mic'ing adds a lot of extra noise (just solo it up and see). This whole approach of mic'ing the bottome of the SD came from letting drummers make decisions and then trying to compensate for their unwillingness to listen to the producer. Nine times out of ten, just loosening the snares will give that attack.
@@iamtheimagedoctor Mic'ing the bottom of the snare is a very common practice, regardless where it came from. That "noise" can be desirable when blended with ST. You could make the same argument with room mics. They can be useful in certain situations.
The Kompact is great because it is voiced very similarly to the original and isn’t overly ‘crisp’ like the Mk. II. No more needing to shell out for a 40 year old mic that needs rebuilt! Also I was bummed that it has a plastic body until I realized that 1) it is glass-fibre loaded and thus amazingly tough for how light it is and 2) it refuses to resonate no matter what you throw it on.
Thanks for another great video. I've never personally recorded drums, all my experience is live in small venues - which creates a host of other issues, especially if using condenser mics. Nevertheless, we often live stream through the board so require mics to pick the kit up. I hear more cymbal with the overheads low, and I like that, and it gives us more snare and toms. I also mic the kick at or in the port, but really like the idea of the mic on the beater skin in certain circumstances. I only need to mic the kick when we're not livestreaming (because most drummers are not very good at adjusting themselves into the mix 😉)
This is excellent. I am a newby at mic'ing drums and after a mild non-desctructive 'flooding'of my studio space I just reset the kit and mic's and am going to be dialing them in. There is a lot to mic'ing drums isn't there? I had made the mistake of using a stereo AT822 as an overhead not realizing it was a close proximity stereo mic. I now have one AT4033 I am going to try as an overhead, AKG D112 for BD, SM57 on snare, AT SD condenser on HH, 2 of the old Radio Shack 'Sennheisers' on high and mid toms, and Yamaha classic MZ204? something on low tom, Oh and one of the RS's on the beater side of BD. I have the similar setup with low ceilings, and when re-setting I had the kit in a corner (it's a decent sized space) but found it was way too much build up, so I moved back to original set up in more of an open space in my L-shaped room so there is a lot of open space around the kit without dominating the space. Getting ready to dial it all in and this is very helpful!
If I only had a stereo pair of mics, I would put them several feet in front of the kit, about snare/tom height, below the crash cymbals if possible. The traditional overhead only placement, emphasizes the cymbals too much while making the kick drum almost invisible.
Great video ! I have a question: What kind of shell-mount mic holder is that at 8:00 ? I bought a set of AKG Session 1 drum mics, and the included shell clips position the mics too far into the middle of the rack toms, to where they’re in the way when I play. So far I’ve not found any clips that slide away like these; they all slide up and down and so the problem persists.
I have the e614 and I seem to have an issue with how fast they distort. An issue I never had with 184s or the haun mbc440 (which btw are fantastic sdc you should check em out )
Decreasing the distance of the OH pair from the kit will also increase the stereo width of the recording. As the config is brought closer, the outer elements of the kit (HH, cymbals, and FT) will be located closer to the extreme bounds of the Stereo Recording Angle (SRA), producing a wider recording. This can also achieved by increasing the angle of the XY or selecting a more directional polar p. The standard XY with cardioid capsules has an SRA of ~180 degrees. Using supercard capsules and angling the XY beyond 90 to 120 degrees will decrease the SRA from ~136 to 105. This is pretty close to the ORTF which has an SRA of ~95 degrees
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Thanks Kyle. Good video. Mic'ing the snare bottom wasn't mentioned. It can be helpful when trying to get more snare attack. when used in conjunction with a snare top mic. Note: the phase should be inverted on the snare bottom mic. Often kick drums are recorded with both kick in and kick out mics. Room mics can add another dimension to the drum sound. Mic placement and experimentation is critical! The genre of the music that's being recorded should be taken into account. Lastly, everything changes in the mix. Sometimes you'll need more detail and sometimes less.
I've found that bottom mic'ing adds a lot of extra noise (just solo it up and see). This whole approach of mic'ing the bottome of the SD came from letting drummers make decisions and then trying to compensate for their unwillingness to listen to the producer. Nine times out of ten, just loosening the snares will give that attack.
@@iamtheimagedoctor Mic'ing the bottom of the snare is a very common practice, regardless where it came from. That "noise" can be desirable when blended with ST. You could make the same argument with room mics. They can be useful in certain situations.
The Kompact is great because it is voiced very similarly to the original and isn’t overly ‘crisp’ like the Mk. II. No more needing to shell out for a 40 year old mic that needs rebuilt!
Also I was bummed that it has a plastic body until I realized that 1) it is glass-fibre loaded and thus amazingly tough for how light it is and 2) it refuses to resonate no matter what you throw it on.
Thanks for another great video. I've never personally recorded drums, all my experience is live in small venues - which creates a host of other issues, especially if using condenser mics. Nevertheless, we often live stream through the board so require mics to pick the kit up. I hear more cymbal with the overheads low, and I like that, and it gives us more snare and toms. I also mic the kick at or in the port, but really like the idea of the mic on the beater skin in certain circumstances. I only need to mic the kick when we're not livestreaming (because most drummers are not very good at adjusting themselves into the mix 😉)
Great test and shootout, amazing how mic position really changes the tone
This is excellent. I am a newby at mic'ing drums and after a mild non-desctructive 'flooding'of my studio space I just reset the kit and mic's and am going to be dialing them in. There is a lot to mic'ing drums isn't there? I had made the mistake of using a stereo AT822 as an overhead not realizing it was a close proximity stereo mic. I now have one AT4033 I am going to try as an overhead, AKG D112 for BD, SM57 on snare, AT SD condenser on HH, 2 of the old Radio Shack 'Sennheisers' on high and mid toms, and Yamaha classic MZ204? something on low tom, Oh and one of the RS's on the beater side of BD. I have the similar setup with low ceilings, and when re-setting I had the kit in a corner (it's a decent sized space) but found it was way too much build up, so I moved back to original set up in more of an open space in my L-shaped room so there is a lot of open space around the kit without dominating the space. Getting ready to dial it all in and this is very helpful!
If I only had a stereo pair of mics, I would put them several feet in front of the kit, about snare/tom height, below the crash cymbals if possible.
The traditional overhead only placement, emphasizes the cymbals too much while making the kick drum almost invisible.
Now I’m all ears on this VLOG!!
Very educative comparison, thank you.
Nice, detailed video. A lot of useful information for anyone new to studio recording.
These are genuinely so helpful thankyou!
I had a dozen standard 421's but those kompakt 421's look like the ticket . Many thanks for the content !
Awesome video! That's how I'm doing it!
I noticed the crashes getting a lot harsher the lower the overheads were.
Great video !
I have a question: What kind of shell-mount mic holder is that at 8:00 ? I bought a set of AKG Session 1 drum mics, and the included shell clips position the mics too far into the middle of the rack toms, to where they’re in the way when I play. So far I’ve not found any clips that slide away like these; they all slide up and down and so the problem persists.
These clips come with the mics, but I believe you can buy the MD421 mount a la carte.
I have the e614 and I seem to have an issue with how fast they distort. An issue I never had with 184s or the haun mbc440 (which btw are fantastic sdc you should check em out )
That snare itself doesn't seem to have very much low end punch. Probably better for funk than rock.
Decreasing the distance of the OH pair from the kit will also increase the stereo width of the recording. As the config is brought closer, the outer elements of the kit (HH, cymbals, and FT) will be located closer to the extreme bounds of the Stereo Recording Angle (SRA), producing a wider recording. This can also achieved by increasing the angle of the XY or selecting a more directional polar p. The standard XY with cardioid capsules has an SRA of ~180 degrees. Using supercard capsules and angling the XY beyond 90 to 120 degrees will decrease the SRA from ~136 to 105. This is pretty close to the ORTF which has an SRA of ~95 degrees
Typo in title, thanks for another video!
Micing not mixing. Some of you guys should try watching videos before you run to the comments
@@JEBJOSH I'm not a native English speaker, but I'll be taking this into account. It confused me but the new title is very understandable.
@@HilbertSpacersson sorry about that. Well we’re glad he changed the title 🙂. Also great you’re learning English.
@@JEBJOSH you were right to point me out so the end result is what matters. Have a nice day.