CUPRA Born vs Volkswagen ID.3: FAMILY FIGHT CLUB!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2022
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We hear a lot about electric cars sharing the same platform. All that means is that they share the same bits underneath - stuff like batteries and motors, as well as actual chassis - a trick which manufacturers use to cut costs and offer as much choice as possible. Take these two, for example. They’re non-identical twins, both from the VW Group.
On one side is the Volkswagen ID.3 58kWh Pro Performance. It starts at £35,835, and comes with a 58kWh battery, has just under 250-miles of WLTP range and 201bhp of power.
On the other side is Cupra Born. And it starts at £34,715, so a little bit cheaper, and also comes with 58kWh battery, just under 250-miles of WLTP range and 201bhp of power.
But which is the better buy? Join Tom as he compares the two and crunches the numbers. Do you agree with Wookie? Which would be your choice from these two? Let us know in the comments below.
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I personally prefer the look of the Cupra Born. Especially in the blue colour they offer.
Well since i like bigger boot, i put an order for a Skoda Enyaq iV..
@@poplaurentiu4148 that’s also a very good EV and I prefer both looks and interior compared to its sister car the ID.4 which is too minimalist at least for me. Seen quite a few on the road.
@@itechtalk03 Well just for a quick example, my wife loves the new iD-Buzz but i convinced her that we will wait for something like that a bit longer until first child, then we will see other EV's but iD-Buzz as far i have seen so far online seems very cool specially for it's exterior retro look and interior modularity.. For the moment we wait a bit longer for the Enyaq (few delays).. ;0)
Man,Cupra Born just looks stunning. Best affordable car that's looks great too. It's my go-to!
I own a Born… made my choice between the two based on interior quality
I have an ID3 on order, I shalln't brag on how long it has been so far, but oddly enough, I am forever dropping the rear windows on all my cars and can not wait for the ID3 minus the rear window buttons. Heaven, best idea so far.
We tried loads of different EV's ranging from £30k to £40k with the intention of knowing it'll take around a year to get a new car. The MG ZS felt like an old car, the Mokka-e was lovely and had a great spec but seat were uncomfortable, we had decided on an ID3 but the dealers near us were so useless we walked out. We were waiting for a sales advisor in Hyundai dealership and went for a walk stumbled across a SEAT showroom and first set our eyes on a Born. After some you tube research and a test drive we decided to order one.....someone had cancelled an order for the spec we wanted and within 2 weeks we had our new V2 Born with a few extras!!! We couldn't be happier that the VW dealer was so rubbish that we walked out of Parkways Leicester and found Marshall SEAT Leicester, thanks Sam @ SEAT!!
Had the same with VW and Ford last year. They still think they're sitting on gold, or what!?
@@RedBatteryHead Audi was the same. We would have pushed the boat out and gone for a Q4 etron Sport (last car was Volvo XC40) but all they wanted to sell was prereg models for £7k above list price!!
@@atki81 it's annoying how some think to handle customers.
Let alone their EV expertise. That's a different story on its own 🙄
Why did you quote the price of the ID3 but not the Born??
Already have the Cupra, well happy with it. Average about 230 per charge (mostly motorway) Very comfy, lovely to drive and lots of safety tech which makes driving a little easier. Average 4.1 KW since i got it (just under 5k done)
You got it on a lease or own it? I'm looking myself for this model (assuming you're from UK)
@@christianholmenfrost I own it, bought from Heritage Seat in Bristol, salesman was super helpful BTW. It is sooooo easy to drive, there are a few quirks, most of which i've now figured out. We live in South Wales but i work in Bristol so most of my miles have been done on the M4. I couldn't be more pleased overall. I got mine in June and at the time i could have chosen any model. I went for the V1 but paid extra to get the safety pack on it, which is definately worth the extra £560 (i think that's how much it cost). It's my first EV and in all honesty i didn't want to pay any more than i did with it being an unknown experience at the time. Even with electric going up, it's still a lot cheaper for me than using Diesel. Hope that helps!
Cupra better looking but the ID3 headlights are FANTASTIC. They aren’t available on the Cupra. All the motoring journalists mention the window switches but really they are not a problem at all. No one mentions how badly the rear gets dirty, it only takes seconds to get coated in crap worst car I’ve ever owned for that. However it’s a really great car and I would not go back to an ICE car ever again.
Completely agree on the switches Brian. How many times has anyone opened the rear windows?? In my 1 series I constantly did instead of the fronts and it was the only time they ever moved.
The ID matrix light is only on the high spec.
LED is on all Cupra. They are great on their own. High beam assistant is flawless too.
I much prefer the Born over the ID3 from a styling POV, but the window switches would annoy the hell out of me. Thought everyone did this, but maybe it’s just me. I regularly open the front & rear passenger side windows a couple of inches/5-6cm when I’m driving. It gets a nice circular breeze moving round the car. You just wouldn’t open any other combination of windows. Having to do that constantly switching the controls - no!
@@aadamileekennedy2754 just press the Window button 2sec and they all go down.
No hassle.
And to that. Its most all new VAG cars.
@@RedBatteryHead ah but then I’d have to put the 2 on the driver side back up - individually. Doesn’t work otherwise. I know, I know…I’m being picky for the sake of it. It wouldn’t be the decision maker/breaker obviously.
Hard to argue against your choice. Excellent video.
Cupra is definitely my choice
Sold my ID.3 to buy the Born. Says it all really.
Great Vid - just got my hand on the Born Eco Boost in Blue, very happy with my choice, a month or so in now, and the charging to 100% is giving me a better fuller range as time goes on !? Not sure why but very impressed so far with the 58kw.
I’ve just ordered a fully specked Born here in Australia that come in one spec (77kw battery with two options, one interior and one sports package) deliver is expected as early as March and as lates June. 500 cars in the first run sold out in a week - so they have put out the second run of 100 cars that will arrive in the second half of the year and there selling fast.
I think it was the best value EV without purchasing a Tesla 3 poverty pack for similar money. I also wanted something a little different. There are thousands of Teslas around and not too many Cupra’s.
I have an id.3 (First Mover) and had they released at the same time, I would have taken the Born without a second's hesitation
I'm biased, owning the Cupra.
The vid just confirmed again why I choose it.
Do like the ID rim's though.
BTW It's a "Koepra" not a "qupra"
I'm off to the Cupra configurator.
Born if I had any cash
Got a Born and it's amazing 👏👏👏👏
The Cupra Born is more appealing to me but then I am instinctively drawn more to hot hatches. I am waiting for a comparison between the Born and the Renault Megane E-Tech. I suspect the former will be more sporty (because of its rear wheel drive) but the Google Auto tech on the Renault looks to be absolutely awesome and the interior finish and controls look better than both the VW group cars.
I’m convinced that the Cupra is the one I will go for now
I knew that once again that Electrifying would have the VW ID.3 as the loser in a test, just like when it was compared to the Kia Niro, but why don't you mention that only the VW ID.3 is available with Matrix- lights and towbar for a bicycle holder or a box, because that is probably also very important for a number of buyers!
Thru comments. The ID ain't bad at all.
And larger interior than a Niro. Can't see a Niro winning on specs myself too.
Here it's about style and ride. And that's about what people prefer.
The ID3 is no longer available with matrix lights
I'm going to say it. Matrix lights are awful. They do an awful job at not dazzling other drivers, meaning I spend half my time driving along with massive white spots in my eyes.
@@mikeymike1792 No problem with my car 😉
ID3s have a very strong resale, I would always go with the VW
At the moment an ID3 is fetching about £5k more than a similar born for some reason on the second hand Market
One question, who varnished Wookie?
unpopular opinion: I like the look of ID3 much more than Cupra Born
Same here!
Got a 58 kwh 204 hp v3 Cupra for 2 month now. Quite happy with it. The range is a little disappointing. Other than that - great pick!
I'd opt for the Cupra Born… or even the Skoda Enyaq… over their VW ID.3 triplet sibling. They have slightly better quality and looks. Of course, I can't get any of them on this side of the pond, anyway. ☹
Just ordered a Born. I think it is better looking and finished. I also don't like the colour range on the id3…! They all look a bit washed out. I also really liked the drive.
Good look getting an ID3 any time this decade
Seat looks better and would be my choice of the 2, if I had to buy one! But I’m not generally a small car fan, so would probably look elsewhere if I’m honest.
I prefer the iD3…. I liked it so much I ordered one, in white, with bells and whistles… last year this was, October to be exact, how’s the id3 going? Did I make the right choice? I have no fucking idea..it’s still not delivered.
The Born!
The Born is an ID3 with ID4 seats and finish. It just feels way more premium. No hesitation that the Born gets my vote after a test drive of the two today.
Ordered a Cupra Born, only 3 months wait time
Cupra Born all day long
Had both, Cupra born, every time. Every thing just a little bit better
Cupra Born wins on style, VW looks frumpy, so I would go with Cupra with 77kw battery for me.
Regen braking is important. Can I suggest an alternative to 0-60 times ? 60-0 stopping distance using only regeneration.
I don't think regen adds up to a whole tin of beans in general driving. I'm on my 5th BEV, I currently have an ID3 & my wife drives the absolutely fabulous Renault Zoe. You can't go from 60 - 0 in either car.
I once added 10 miles to my range driving down a hill!
Cupra all the time !!! Sportier look, better standard equipment ...
I’d have a Born!
Ordered an ID.3 in June, had a date of Feb, then November, now its "Who Knows - Certainly not VW". Interested to know who said they had stopped production in favour of the Born. A LOT of people in the line for ID.3's for many, many months (some almost a year) would love to know? How wbout some investigative journalism?
It's a shame that Born does not have Led Matrix, just the normal Led.
You forgot to say the Cupra's price in the video, and also that it cannot be ordered with matrix lights.
I prefer the look of the ID.3, it's not trying to pretend it is something else and I have one on order.
Born everyday....
Okay, so the Cubra born, VW ID.3/4, Skoda Eniaq, and Audi e-tron all are essentially the same car
If I had to have one it would be the Born, but in reality (and much more likely) I'd have the ionic 5
Id3. Better lights. Better interior luxury. Better service. Better options. Yes the cupra looks badass. But that's about it
Born for me!
Good review, but I’ll keep my Kona Electric
Rather than having a lagging infotainment system, I am thinking about an MG4. Especially as it is almost £10,000 cheaper! As for "sporty" there will be a Performance MG4 in 2023.
How much is the born?
and what about resale value
Born, though the id3 seems to be aging well
while i like the copper/bronxe coloured badging on the seat the mickey mouse transformer logos can get in the sea
I'm looking forward to seeing what Skoda do with it.
Much prefer the Born but I do like the ID3 a lot. Wish we could get either in the US. All we get from VW in this class is the blah looking ID4 and over priced Q4 E-tron.
I prefer the Born.
Cupra Born wins !! Flawless Victory !!! Fatality 🤣🤣🤣
I’m seriously leaning towards the MG4 instead…. These traditional brands need a shake up…
Me too
Can't wait to see it in the metal.
Yes. Too bad there is so little info on it. Just things like headlights is quite important up here in scandinavia.
I agree, the MG4 seems like a bargain compared to other EVs in the ID3 class and below. My gf has a Corsa on order, and I heard the MG4 undercuts the price by £3,000 in the UK. But, one thing I can't get along with, is the styling, especially the rear!
@@chryschrysostomou5392 The VW ID.3 has better space at the back seat and a larger trunk plus Matrix lights (which is a clear advantage for driving in the dark), and also slightly better driving characteristics from what I have seen in the few tests that have been done so far of the MG4.
However, it is certainly an exciting electric car MG is now bringing to the market, when you look at the price compared to the competitors .....
Me also Darren. I have already put a deposit on a top spec Orange MG4.... However, I'm starting to doubt myself... As 2023 will see a performance MG4 with 0-60 down to 4 seconds.....!!
Love the content! Looking to buy hybrid/electric with my next car.
Any upcoming hybrid videos in the works? Or is it 100% electric 100% of the time?
Keep up the good work!
Whatever you do don't buy a hybrid - if it has a chimney its not electric!
We are on our 5th BEV over 14 years. My wife drives a Renault Zoe & I have a VW ID3. 2 of our children drive BEVs.
We drive all over the country into remote areas without any range problems.
We took our fabulous Zoe on a 3 week holiday to Connemara. The whole round trip including sightseeing in the West cost a total of €40. Our BEVs hold their value very well, but as we get nearer to 2030 hybrids will depreciate at an alarming rate!
@@wilkoone9155 a good point, but I can't afford an extra 20k for an electric car when a hybrid would suit my needs better for the work commute day to day with petrol as an emergency/occasional long trip. They're just way too expensive for me right now.
@@aetherdryth1 when you are working out you budget you need to take into account 2 things. 1, The fuel savings, particularly if you can charge at home on night rate electricity, they are considerable. 2, The depreciation on your hybrid which will be severe. Our first Zoe increased in value in the 2 years that we owned it. I purchased the car in Essex privately on Autotrader it was not expensive & was very reliable.
Witch phev is 20000€ cheaper than Born?
None of the above.
Thou the Born is a bit less boring, both are more of the same and to expansive.
Maybe when they design a 2-door coupe or even better a cabrio.
I bought an ID.3 and swapped it for a Born!
How stupid it is to lose money on it, when they look so much alike, and on top of that, the ID.3 has Matrix lights and the option of a tow bar for a bicycle holder or a box when going on holiday. Inside, Born may have a slightly better quality, but it is not something worth writing about. There can also be divided opinions on which car looks better, for my part I think the ID.3 design holds up better in the long run.
All this is just my humble opinion after trying both, and choosing an ID.3 as my new car.....
@@JessDemant I didn’t lose any money on it, I made money. They gave me £2500 more than I paid for it thanks to the crazy used car prices. Mine was a life and didn’t have Matrix headlights. I’ve lost heated seats and gained a much nicer interior.
@@matthewdowning6009 I have Matrix lights in my ID.3 from December 2020, and it is simply a must for me in the future, regardless of what car I get!
No brainer. I bought a V2 spec Born as it was cheaper than the ID3 when you added options to match the spec. What are you doing VW ?
MG4 :) Cupra Born before Id3
Perhaps the question is a Born with eco-boost or an i3s (even if BMW have stopped making them)?
To be honest there is yet to be a proper EV hot hatch such as 300hp+ with 4WD … hopefully one will come along soon 🤔
The specs on them are below real live figures. Standard they do 250horse and over 500Nm.
Kia EV6 GT or Mustang GT is the best performance yet. Else you get into Tesla Performance and Taycan
@@RedBatteryHead if that is correct then an on-track comparison between a Golf GTI and Cupra Born with boost would be interesting
@@MrFatknacker just for laughs that would indeed. Albeit they wouldn't need to push beond 160km 😉
@@RedBatteryHead while in truth more than adequate for U.K. roads (much better same as my old i3), 100mph does sound a bit lame in hot (or even warm) hatch terms, and would not cut it on track - so I think these top speed limits need to be improved or at least the ability to override for a short period of time
@@MrFatknacker well, it's a fast enough car. And speeds for more than 160 ain't really usable in 98% of time.
They better use a "trackday" mode for those going to do so in future.
Seat took the criticisms of the id3 and made the interior nicer but didn't change out the haptic buttons, sliders on the infotainment screen, and the stupid rear window buttons. ? Those were the main criticisms of the id3.
Cupra Official website has a technical drop down page which sets out charging performance. For DC it should charge 5-80% in 35 minutes. Actually it took 50-55mins. Worse still it never even peaked at the rate it would need to average to achieve 35mins. The specification is not caveated. A courtesy Cupra did the same. I have detailed charge info but neither VW or retailer Listers solicitors have challenged the accuracy of the information. I have probably a lever arch of papers on the problems with this car which is similar to VW id3. VW Cupra website also doesn’t say that the battery safe mode will impact on AC charging performance. Rather it advertises cheap overnight charging and recommends Ohme and Octopus: I purchased both. If the AC charging depends on the battery safe mode then it should state that. It doesn’t. Indeed there is no explanation of battery safe mode and why/when and on what criteria it will be activated. So 75/80% of time it half charged overnight which means I could not get to work and back! Put simply I got rid and got an alternative EV which does the job!
Need a three way review with these two and the MG4.
Pity America doesn't have Cupra, I think a lot of people would take one over a Chevy Bolt any day.
also a pity that VW won't even sell the ID.3 in America - we only get it's taller, fatter siblings
Chevy Bolt only $28k less potentially the $7k federal discount.... can't beat that
@@joeb4294 people would probably get the chevy equinox ev or Bolt instead, so might not be as popular
Overpriced and the infotainment is still not where it should be. Android auto essentially means that these big manufacturers are lazy when it comes to this tech. Except tesla of course.
Both of these cars are too expensive for what u get and I agree the mg4 could be an absolute unicorn if they can deliver on production. 10k less and as much if not more car
MG4?
I still dont understand the VW choice to have the temperature buttons being non-illuminated. Just doesn’t make any senate as VW interiors have always been really good with illumination. My father just picked an Enyaq over an ID4 due to (amongst other things) this; his eyes aren’t what they used to be in low-light conditions.
Does the Cupra Born have this?
@@JessDemant No idea. Both it and the ID3 are sadly too small for myself and the family. Mainly tested the ID4 and Enyaq. Though might keep the Superb until the Vision7 is out.
There just too similar inside, and the fact that you can’t get matrix lights on the cupra is a deal breaker for me ,the Id program has to go back to its car roots and stop with the shortcomings, on window switches, driver screens , it’s a sad day that a 3 year old e golf looks better, and vw should twitch that terrible infotainment unit at this stage maybe going android with added car play app maybe the better option and stop with haptic touch buttons especially for hvac and wheel
Ditto, and in the words of yanni, the born all day every day
The cupra wins. Better seats. Better quality better value for money
6:40 😂
Cupra Born. But why on earth have the manufactures chosen to make both vehicles rear wheel drive, when people buying these sizes of car would benefit (as they have done traditionally) with front wheel drive in respect to all season capability.
Rear wheel drive is better, smaller turning circle, you can get more power on the road, its way more fun...
And the price of the born is ??
starting from £34,660
@@100tinsoldiers Thanks when the comparison was made both prices should have been posted 👍🏿
@@desmiller4764 yes it would help the comparison but probably just an oversight.
Q-Pra :))
Exactly the same car. But price is higher in the Born. You pay for trinkets. If it's my money 💰 is king. I test drove both but pockets won in the end. The tech is exactly the same. I mean 12inch vs. 10 inch screen you wont see the difference tbh. VW couldn't careless as they are making money from us.
I do prefer the look of the Cupra, but wouldn’t buy either of them.
But those lights……
couldn't live with the tramp stamp badge of the cupra and the stupid copper accents - so it's the vw for me all day long
Cupra
Born’s miles better. I despise the ID3, I think it’s a cynical marketing exercise made from fisher price reject plastics, Cupra’s actually a proper car.
🆒️💯✔👍🏻
Born........in R Red.
Sorry but is it "cupra" or "qupra"
Queuepra Born eh?
With the introduction of the MG4, these two already seem outdated ...
The VW ID.3 has better space at the back seat and a larger trunk plus Matrix lights (which is a clear advantage for driving in the dark), and also slightly better driving characteristics from what I have seen in the few tests that have been done so far of the MG4.
However, it is certainly an exciting electric car MG is now bringing to the market, when you look at the price compared to the competitors .....
Until you come to trade them in and the MG is worth much much less...
Oh yeah the “funny” man you are sooo funny
Qupra?? I thought it was pronounced 'Kupra'
It is.. made me cringe 🤣
you MUST BE JOKING....
these two do not share only platform... or, as you neatly said, "some bits underneath that you don't see".... they share practically EVERYTHING except the bumpers and lights!!! cars that share platform (as in "some bits underneath") are for instance Peugeot 3008 and Citroen C5X or, Opel Corsa and Citroen C4.... THESE TWO are downright REBADGE! because they share complete drivetrain, the dashboard (regardless of "coloured accents" and may be some of the materials) and the rear bench, they have identical side silhouette because all side pillars and windows are the same! and since the boot opening and hood cutt-outs also look identical it is safe to say that their body shells (except before mentioned lights and bumpers that res screwed on it) are practically identical ...
how can it be that THIS passes as "platform sharing" while new Astra is generally considered as "Peugeot 308 reskin"... PLEASE.!🤨😵💫
I like everything about the ID 3 but the interiors and software. The buttons in particular are annoying and it’s a sea of plastic and cheap feeling.
Seat is usually behind Skoda then VW in terms of build quality.
Skoda is not as well built as VW but uses similar parts. SKODA’s and Seats squeak and rattle a lot.
I would be worried that Cupra is cosmetically a better looking car but underneath is a poorer built car.
All Cupra Born models and a lot of VW iD.3s are built in the same factory in Zwickau (alongside Audi and SEAT EVs) so they will be equally as good. There's another iD.3 production facility in Hanover, but I doubt it'll be vastly better.
Not interested in either car
cupra does not have matrix running lights 👎
😂
Your comment re Regen mode in ID.3 is completely wrong .A lazy comment You obviously do not drive the ID3 on a day basis.One pedal driving works quite effectively and smoothly if you use it on a daily basis.Your comments re heptic buttons sounds alot like those comments you see on ID Forum UK.A bit of perspective would be nice.
I have the ID3 and one pedal driving is not available in my view. I use the B mode most of the time. It works well, but will not bring the car to a complete stop. Which I believe is what "one pedal driving" means.
I am happy Herbert Diess was fired. He is responsible for making VW the discount brand among the VW Group brands... I would buy the Born if it had Matrix LEDs