The ultimate mill deck on Arena.

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  • Magic: The Gathering Arena deck tech & gameplay with a Blue/Black or Dimir mill deck, featuring Glimpse the Unthinkable, Archive Trap and Surgical Extraction from Outlaws of Thunder Junction in Timeless.
    Patreon: / legenvd
    00:00 - Deck Tech
    03:14 - Match 1
    07:13 - Match 2
    12:44 - Match 3
    20:54 - Match 4
    22:55 - Match 5
    26:41 - Match 6
    31:03 - Match 7
    Decklist:
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    "Movement Proposition" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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  • @edde2429
    @edde2429 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +140

    I don't know if you've played surgical before but it can be nice to wait for their draw step to use it since they might draw a copy of what you're extracting

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

      Yeah good call, it's been a while!

    • @Raghetiel
      @Raghetiel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Is there a time to response between draw and main phase?

    • @squizioo1098
      @squizioo1098 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Raghetielyou can act during upkeep

    • @Dupernerd
      @Dupernerd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      ​@@squizioo1098Upkeep comes before draw step. But yes, you have an opportunity to cast spells between their draw and their main phase.

    • @frazerman1
      @frazerman1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@Raghetiel yes each player has the opportunity to gain priority after the draw but before the first main

  • @CyberBuster93
    @CyberBuster93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +263

    Opponent spamming the snooze emoji like they aren't voluntarily playing in the strongest format on Arena lmao

    • @user-il5td2fi1c
      @user-il5td2fi1c 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Because they’re playing a cool reanimating strategy versus something that you literally can’t interact with since it’s BO1. Facing combo is basically a non-game.

    • @MongoTheMagnificent666
      @MongoTheMagnificent666 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-il5td2fi1c found the guy
      😴😴😴😴😴😴

    • @loam4187
      @loam4187 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@user-il5td2fi1cthat’s why timeless is a meme format

    • @ryanwesneski5359
      @ryanwesneski5359 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Mill suuuuuucks

    • @Wolf21973
      @Wolf21973 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It's always a good laugh when an opponent spams. Just take the L, say good game, and concede. It's not that serious

  • @zephyroswest3823
    @zephyroswest3823 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    I love match 5 opponent's deck, just a 5 color saga deck in timeless. living their best life over there.

  • @CasualLoLAddict
    @CasualLoLAddict 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    I had a play set of Glimpse the Unthinkable back when it first came out. ...I was not a popular kid at school, lols.

    • @davestier6247
      @davestier6247 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Lol

    • @ERealslimshady
      @ERealslimshady 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Still better than land hate. I’m a new gen magic player and just learned they use to print black cards that are also land hate.

    • @AutkastKain
      @AutkastKain 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Gotta keep the goofy decks honest with some mill amirite

    • @HarverTheSlayer
      @HarverTheSlayer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Oh, you're not alone, mate. I had a control mill deck when I was a teenager, with crabs, Glimpse, Traps and Traumatize to mill, and Propaganda and counterspells to keep aggro decks at bay. Needless to say, it was traumatic indeed.

    • @kek8695
      @kek8695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ERealslimshadyyeah baby sinkhole is an awesome card

  • @AkodoNoEyes
    @AkodoNoEyes หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I had a Tasha’s Hideous Laughter hit for 34 once. It was sick. It was against a mono red deck whose curve stopped at 1. 😂😂😂😂

    • @dipian
      @dipian หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mono red decks with 1 drops that's my style of deck

    • @AkodoNoEyes
      @AkodoNoEyes หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dipian it was sick. I’m old. Like been playing since Beta old. I remember when Sligh//Geeba was invented and people started to build decks on a curve. It was mostly 1 drops. With some 2 drops. 4-6 3 drops. 2-4 4 drops and 2 Xspells for the finish.

  • @julianriml4860
    @julianriml4860 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    with scheming symmetry from M20 you can force them to search their library while getting a copy of the archive trap so you can maybe mill for x times 13 on turn 1

    • @Readceras
      @Readceras 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The scheming symmetry, trapmaker's snare & mission briefing build was pretty spicy. Maybe some day they'll add merchant scroll to arena.

  • @JogginClown
    @JogginClown 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    I like the new animation when you draw from an empty library.

    • @zephyroswest3823
      @zephyroswest3823 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think the skull is a bit gratuitous, but the blue/black swirls are cool

  • @thcdreams654
    @thcdreams654 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video. Nice set of games, fun deck and informative commentary. Top quality as always.

  • @gamingalthepal
    @gamingalthepal 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Timeless is such an interesting format

  • @Dootium
    @Dootium 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Personally, I've been playing with thr new Jace in mill. Plotting Maddening Cacophany and casting mill half for 4 mana is pretty good. Not to mention just plotting Tasha's, and the combo Jace has with Leyline of Anticipation.

  • @Bluecho4
    @Bluecho4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Always a good day for Mill.

  • @mr.marker6449
    @mr.marker6449 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I’d like to take the time to appreciate the breaking news flavor text. For example “ dead horse deliverers beating”

  • @davidcrawford5324
    @davidcrawford5324 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Surgical Extraction is a fantastic spell to use for those pesky Gaea's Blessing cards that totally shut down mill decks. As soon as one triggers, cast it before it's effect resolves and you wipe ALL copies of it to prevent players from getting their graveyards back into their library. Things like Tormod's Crypt work well for that also but not many people use it that often
    Edit: Tasha's Hideous Laughter is a massively underrated card also as it lets you nuke their cards into exile rather than the graveyard, thus avoiding the dreaded Gaea's Blessing triggers. I have 2 copies of Gaea's Blessing in my W/G/U deck that I play on Arena and the number of mill deck players that I've seen instantly scoop the second that I get my graveyard back with Gaea's Blessing is astounding. It's so immensely satisfying seeing half my library in the GY one turn and then getting it all back the next.
    Although the opposite is true when they blast me with Tasha's and I lose both copies to exile. At that point I'm the one who scoops immediately

    • @KimahEye
      @KimahEye 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      3 mana Ashiok is also pretty funny, Gaea's animation starts playing out like the cards are gonna go into the library, but then Ashiok's effect puts it all in exile before it can resolves.
      Gaea's Blessing spells doom for mill decks, but everytime it's put in exile the opponents scoops immediately

    • @TheAlmightyGoiter
      @TheAlmightyGoiter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can also use stifle to stop blessing and it pulls double duty hitting fetch lands.

    • @CatFinder3000
      @CatFinder3000 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      surgical extraction does not stop gaeas blessing as the effect is triggered and already on the stack

    • @davidcrawford5324
      @davidcrawford5324 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@CatFinder3000 Is it not an instant? If so then SE can be cast in response to the trigger and if it resolves then the trigger won't occur because the last thing on the stack happens first remember?

    • @CatFinder3000
      @CatFinder3000 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davidcrawford5324 yes it is instant, but there’s a difference between the card and any effect caused by the card. Once the triggered effect goes on the stack, the location of the card itself doesn’t matter anymore. Surgical Extraction would exile all copies of Blessing you select, and then the effect of Blessing would still trigger since it is on the stack. So every card other than Blessing (because Blessing has been exiled by Surgical Extraction) would be shuffled into the library. Remember that for the effect to trigger, Blessing has already entered the graveyard, THEN the effect goes on the stack. So if you Surgical Extraction in response to the effect of Blessing, it’s already too late.

  • @brent0034
    @brent0034 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love me a good mill deck

  • @rafaelpardinifariabastos4545
    @rafaelpardinifariabastos4545 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    interesting list, thanks for the video

  • @auro5746
    @auro5746 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to find a deck like this when I'm playing my silly mushroom deck that revolves around milling myself

  • @Standyl14
    @Standyl14 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    RAAAAHH WE LOVE TIMELESS GAMEPLAY

  • @super_boros_bros3127
    @super_boros_bros3127 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love mill it's so much fun. Also, love how you didn't acknowledge the person spamming the snooze emote at all can't give them the satisfaction.

  • @CyberBuster93
    @CyberBuster93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Oh HELLS yes!!! I don't even like mill, but all is fair in a hyper strong format like Timeless. This deck is lethal and DISGUSTING and I love it!
    Evil Luca is back in the house y'all!!! 😂😄🤘

  • @thebfunk5228
    @thebfunk5228 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really like playing this kind of deck in bo3 with some thoughseize, couple of bounce spells for white leylines, cheap counterspells and the surgicals on the sideboard with some more card draw in the main. Really like the manabase, will copy it lol. Great video as always

  • @CyberBuster93
    @CyberBuster93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Orcish Bowmaster be like: "LOOKS LIKE MILL IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!" xD

  • @RenkoGracia
    @RenkoGracia 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    big mill fan. love it!

  • @dummyroll01
    @dummyroll01 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yessss love the mill. Used to hate it so much but then I just embraced it. Still way cooler, more interactive and simply better than that endless Capenna landspam deck from Standard 🤣

  • @heitortremor
    @heitortremor 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love me some mill!

  • @spencerbell8386
    @spencerbell8386 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Let's jump in some games and see how da deck doz!

    • @Big_Dai
      @Big_Dai 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Into*

  • @masterkurosaki100
    @masterkurosaki100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Crazy mirror match at the end 😵‍💫

  • @gryffindor8896
    @gryffindor8896 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Mill players rise up!

  • @robertcottle1493
    @robertcottle1493 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want you to do a brawl deck with oko or a standard either one no one seems to do any 😢😢😢

  • @neilscarlett7249
    @neilscarlett7249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    Who hurt you ....?

    • @kevincastner4541
      @kevincastner4541 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      Show us where the bad man milled you

    • @AesirOdinn
      @AesirOdinn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      My man here has never been milled before

  • @felipealvarezr
    @felipealvarezr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What cards do you recomend for bo3?

  • @bounceday
    @bounceday หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to archive trap with the rebound god.

  • @andrewflare1361
    @andrewflare1361 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    23:50 My Arakis...My Dune...

  • @Darkvoltrox
    @Darkvoltrox 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would have punched my screen after that game 1 top decks...

  • @Gnilson5
    @Gnilson5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No Prismatic Vista to go with crab?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's other fetches we can play, but there's only so much room.

    • @Gnilson5
      @Gnilson5 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVDYeah that makes sense. It was the 4-of Field of Ruin that made me ponder

  • @oddipyloris5329
    @oddipyloris5329 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ah mill… the only thing worse than counter spells.
    Blue, the color of sadness

    • @zirilan3398
      @zirilan3398 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The colour of no friends

  • @kjart
    @kjart 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The OTP cards are cool and all but you sure can't tell the colour identity of many of them without knowing or looking really hard (I wasn't familiar with i.e. surgical extraction and wouldn't know without the tooltip). Must be a super pain in paper.

  • @jeffadams9807
    @jeffadams9807 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    WHY NO x4 FRAYING SANITY's
    Listed In This Deck, It Doubles
    ALL Of Ur Mill Card's ???

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It usually doesn't have an immediate effect when you play it, which is not ideal in a format as unforgiving as Timeless.
      It also doesn't double the effect from Hideous Laughter, which is one of the better "mill" spells.

  • @noobparty4282
    @noobparty4282 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what formats can this be played ?

  • @ExecutiveAutomotiveSociety
    @ExecutiveAutomotiveSociety 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a reason that the Fallout stuff wasn't added to online?

    • @jannikwinkelmann2050
      @jannikwinkelmann2050 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its commander, legacy and vintage only.

  • @Say_Tin
    @Say_Tin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just got back onto Arena because of Legend and got my butt kicked in a draft... luckily my duct tape mono green standard deck still works :,D

  • @magafugafu
    @magafugafu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you couldn't play Archive Trap because there was nothing to play "in response" since the library searching happens after the cycling resolves

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Normally you still have priority before the turn ends. Arena will usually skip over it to save time unless you put a stop, although they've programmed a lot of cards to still hold priority if you can cast them for free, which sadly wasn't the case here.

  • @j.a.3008
    @j.a.3008 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why not brainstorm or mana drain??

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Those are indeed options. Brainstorm does get punished by the omnipresent Orcish Bowmasters and in some of the faster games you don't always have time to cast a bunch of cantrips. Mana Drain is great, but the way this deck is configured we often want to tap out in our own turn, so keeping up double blue isn't always easy. I would certainly want some more counterspells in the 75 for combo and control matchups so we can swap them for removal.

  • @Baronvaughn473
    @Baronvaughn473 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All but the lands, you could make this exact same deck in Historic. Why not play it there instead?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fetchlands enable our crab and we rely on opponents having them for Archive Trap.

  • @electric_dream_machine
    @electric_dream_machine 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Quick tip: if you put a stop in your own endstep while the opponent's spell or ability is on the stack, you'll always get priority afterwards.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I shouldn't have to.

  • @Kuryux
    @Kuryux 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why timeless instead of historic? Looks like its all valid in historic except the fetch lands?

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Fetchlands are a big part of what enables Archive Trap.

  • @kaemonbonet4931
    @kaemonbonet4931 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'll never understand why people dont like mill. Its just burn, a check on the format. If you're too slow you lose.

    • @zirilan3398
      @zirilan3398 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The reason is very simple: it`s easier to prevent damage or regain life than it is to prevent mill or regain cards in your library. Just by playing you lose cards in your library which is not the case for lifepoints.
      I personally have a inherit hate towards all non-combo-mill-players (combo-mill beeing things like Painter/Grindstone, RiP/Helm of Obedience) cause every single time I got paired against a millplayer in a competitive encounter it was always the greasiest, most foul smelling dude with a disgust for soup you could find. I have yet to encounter a millplayer who is pleasant to play against.

    • @kaemonbonet4931
      @kaemonbonet4931 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zirilan3398 you can beat mono red without playing life Gain. And mill is usually slower than that

    • @Clint_Beastwood
      @Clint_Beastwood หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kaemonbonet4931 Yeah but mono red players are chiseled with amazing jawlines and they usually show you pictures of all the girls they've been with on their phone immediately after they pass their 4 second turn.

    • @napoearth
      @napoearth หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because like everything blue, it just tries to prevent you from playing your own cards. That's not fun. It's actually quite simple to understand.

    • @kaemonbonet4931
      @kaemonbonet4931 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@napoearth but every deck wants you to not play your cards. Either you're hoping to get an insurmountable lead before the cards are useful, or you're trying to put together some value that engine that makes their cards worthless, or you're ignoring what they're doing and pulling a big fuckoff gun. That's aggro/tempo, mid-range/control , ramp/combo.
      There's "I win" decks and "you lose" decks and both want the same thing. None of the opponents cards getting chance to mess up their plan. What it comes down to for me is do you enjoy the game or do you enjoy navel gazing.
      It's one of the reasons I don't like commander as much as literally any other format. Commander is all about ignoring each other as opposed to 60 card formats where it's important to sculpt your interaction around the things happening in the meta.
      I guess what I'm saying is, sometimes you lose to burn. the experience is the same as losing to mill. Sometimes you lose to control, it feels the same as losing to mill. No matter what you lose to You took a slow hand, they had some good pieces and got started before you could get to killing them. Eventually you have to either build your deck to do better in the matchup or accept that the deck beats yours and move on.

  • @ryanbolson23
    @ryanbolson23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cycling is just a draw, not a search effect.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Swampcycling is a search.

    • @ryanbolson23
      @ryanbolson23 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD ah ok, I only heard “cycling” since the video was in my pocket as I work 8-5. Of which cycling isn’t a search.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ryanbolson23 Indeed, I even added a little popup to emphasize the Swampcycling, but you wouldn't have seen it.

  • @napoearth
    @napoearth หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like good sportsmanship, but I would never gg someone who counters literally everything you try to play.

  • @LashlayDS9
    @LashlayDS9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you get me every time.. i start watching the video and get more and more confused the more cards i see until i finally realize "its NOT standard" ... it would be realy great if you could add the format on the thumbnail.. thx

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I mention the format within the first 5 seconds. It's also written in the video description.

    • @LashlayDS9
      @LashlayDS9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD ya maybe its my own fault. i always skip directly to the gameplay. the detailed explanation of every card is a bit too dry for my taste... personal opinion, nothing to worry about.
      just a little suggestion, a single letter would be enough. S or E.
      edit: i see the problem, when i skip your Intro scene by pressing the right arrow key once, it skips in 5 second increments.. that brings me right behind the mentioning of the format... thats a habbit of mine for a long time already.. i never watch channel logo intros or the mandatory hello for the viewer. most channels are doing that and of course thats just social protocol but it's not of interest to me, at least not more then once per channel.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LashlayDS9 I did this when Historic and Standard were the main formats on Arena by adding a special border around the thumbnail for Historic videos, nowadays there are way too many formats. Adding a symbol or letter would add unneeded clutter to the thumbnail and most people wouldn't know what it stands for.

    • @xddddddddddddd
      @xddddddddddddd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@LegenVDmini ribbon on top right might work?

  • @eduardosoares6293
    @eduardosoares6293 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    MILL DECK???? Free like.

  • @rv907
    @rv907 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The timing on surgical is abhorrent. Draw step it my dude

  • @numawurst2381
    @numawurst2381 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Luckily I play MtG only online, otherwise lots noses of mill players would have "interesting shapes", not to mention their kneecaps! xD

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha, violence!

  • @ciesma6381
    @ciesma6381 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where's the free mill. You pay for almost all. I thought You create a deck where you mill all for free.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Archive Trap is the big one, having everything be free wouldn't be very reasonable.

    • @ciesma6381
      @ciesma6381 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD One card is your free mill?.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ciesma6381 You could argue that Surgical Extraction is too, and even Ruin Crab after an initial investment. But Trap and Surgical are the only new cards for the archetype introduced in the latest set. There are various combo decks can mill an entire deck for "free" with the right interactions, but you wouldn't really refer to them as mill decks.

    • @ciesma6381
      @ciesma6381 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LegenVD I understand, but if You put a title: Free Mill (That means that all is for free). I supposed that You Will play a card that gives You the Power to mill for free in the rest of the Match, but you "create" a deck that is a copy of something that I already played vs a lot of times. That what i'm talking about. Where is your creativity?.

    • @LegenVD
      @LegenVD  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ciesma6381 I made this deck when the set just came out, so nobody was playing with these cards yet at the time. Doesn't surprise me that this strategy has picked up in popularity since. Sounds like your interpretation is having a copy of Omniscience on the battlefield, easy to accomplish with Show and Tell, but at that point there are better ways to win the game.

  • @plzstop9738
    @plzstop9738 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So, this is what cancer looks like from the other side😂

  • @JoëlTremblay-u9l
    @JoëlTremblay-u9l 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Tellement mauvais comme deck 0 victory 6 loses

  • @gabriels1163
    @gabriels1163 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I immediately concede to mill. Its not interesting or fun. Its a solitaire goldfish deck, go play against the computer and stop wasting people's time

    • @ieldarb12
      @ieldarb12 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Lmfao nice opinions, do you cry when people play “paper” in “rock, paper, scissors”?

    • @Derpy_fish63
      @Derpy_fish63 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Skill issue

    • @gabriels1163
      @gabriels1163 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Derpy_fish63 That is the problem. A game vs mill leaves both players in the position of playing a game of solitaire that requires zero skill. Goldfishing just isnt a good use of time.